♪ ♪ . hello from new york on night two of the democratic national convention and holy cow, i wish i can say something more than that, a lot happened tonight. everything that we saw tonight, the incredible roll call like a dj, the packed rally in

wisconsin from kamala harris and tim walz in the same arena where the rnc was held. talk about serious trolling and the endearing speech from doug emhoff all of that would have been plenty of us all to chew on and digest and democrates to get excited about across the country but then, came the main event or rather, the main events, because before president barack obama spoke tonight, michelle obama gave one of the most rousing and effective convention speeches you may ever hear. i was a little nervous for him as she was speaking. it was not political, was not partisan, it was quite personal. >> of the two major candidates in this race only kamala harris truly understands the unseen labor and unwavering commitment that has always made america great. [ cheers and applause ] ays mada great. [ cheers and applause ]

[lost audio ] [lost audio ] [ cheers and applause ] >> i want to know. i want to know. who is going to tell him, who is going to tell him that the job he is currently speaking

might just be one of those black jobs? [ cheers and applause ] now, for those of you who were eager to see former first lady michelle obama out there, many of us as well. there was this question. what was she going to bring to the table tonight? it seems like she brought everything she wanted to get off of her chest in the last, maybe, decade. i know one thing, president barack obama is a good speaker, rarely had to follow a tougher act than that. his own wife. but he did his best. he did pretty well, too. >> america's ready for a better story, we are ready for a president kamala harris.

and kamala harris is ready for the job. this is a person who has spent her life fighting on behalf of people who need a voice and a champion. as you heard from michelle, kamala was not born into privilege. she had to work to get what she is. she is not the neighbor running the leaf blower she is the neighbor rushing over when you need a hand. >> kamala harris will not be focused on her problems she will be focused on yours. as president she won't just cater to her own supporters and punish those who refuse to kiss the ring or bend the knee. she will work on behalf of every american that is who kamala is. and in the white house, she

will have an outstanding partner in governor tim walz. we need a president who cares about the millions of people, all across this country who wake up every single day to do the essential often thankless work to care for our sick, to clean our streets, to deliver our packages. we need a president who will stand up for their rights to bargain for better wages and working conditions. and kamala will be that president. >> yes she can. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] she can. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] [ crowd chanting ] [ crowd chanting ] . >> it is fair to say the

expectations for former president barack obama and michelle obama were high. and it is fair to say they exceeded them. not just how they lifted up kamala harris and went after trump in the cutting way but how they reminded us of who we are as a country. >> as much as any policies or program i believe that is what we yearn for. a return to america where we work together and look out for each other. a restoration of what lincoln called on the eve of civil war our bonds affection. the better angels. that is what this election is

about. and i believe that is why if we each do our part over the next 77 days, if we knock on doors, if we make phone calls, if we talk to our friends, if we listen to our neighbors, if we work like we never worked before, if we hold firm to our convictions we will elect kamala harris as the next president of the united states. and tim walz as the next vice president of the united states. we will elect leaders up and down the ballot who will fight for the hopeful, forward- looking america we all believe in and together we, too, will build a country more secure and more just, more equal, and more free.

so, let's get to work. god bless you, god bless the united states of america. come on! bless the united states of america. come on! [ cheers and applause ] >> joining me here onset, former chairman steel and advisory for president barack obama ben rhodes, our tireless colleagues, joy and alex, i will start with you, still on duty. alex and joy, let me start with you, alex, we were all here, watching the speeches from studio, people watching from home. what was it like in the room? sounded crazy when you watch today on the screen. >> it sounded even more in here. there is a thirst for the obamas that is more palpable than usual. i think because kamala harris

stands up for the same thing. multi-racial america that is optimistic. people wanted to see a grasp of the harris and obama's dna. i think michelle obama is a difficult act to follow and they were two halves of the same hole. and i throughout he was deeply wise and hopeful on what he believes to be a real america. i was struck by a number of things and talked about what was unusual and valuable in barack obama's words in the perspective he offered about america. i will say that i thought michelle obama did a service to the country tonight, reclaiming the mantle of important hood away from the republican party. j.d. vance spent the last month about what it means to be a parent and what it means to have a democratic party filled

with childless cat ladies here is america's real mom, michelle obama who framed it in her own mother and kamala harris'mother. one of the most dignified, a tribute to her mother, my mother, and probably your mother, too. the embodiment of the stories we tell ourselves about this country. it was relieving and exhilarating to have someone like that, someone who understands parenthood in a very, very different way. and is generous in spirit offer sort of an endorsement of the harris candidacy in the context of that generosity. it was a phenomenal moment, not just michelle obama and everyone else in this country and democratic party. >> i loved it, too.

just the weave weaving stories of mothers. you both been to many conventions and i heard you talk, joe, about the interwoven stories of kamala harris and barack obama throughout the course of the last 20 years what did you make of how he talked about her and also how he lightly referenced things like this convention hall has been good to people who have different names. you know. it was a barack obama way of kind of touching on the fear you hear from democrats that the country is not ready to elect a black woman. >> yeah. no, it was very poignant. as we all know barack obama's family story is that his father is from africa, his father came from somewhere else, his mother was from kansas, a white woman from here. he is this blending of these

worlds. i think that is why he had a unique perspective on us, the way he can see us and read us it comes from that perspective. here is a black man, raised by a white grandma and by a white family and then who easily just transitioned into the world of, you know, black folks at harvard and into chicago as an organizers and he has been in all of these different worlds and he brings them together and in a very similar way. look at somebody who also has a caribbean mom, my late mother. i really relate to the idea of a kamala harris who also is a blending of worlds, her dad is jamaican, mom was from india, so she is this blended, sort of package that is also uniquely american in so many ways they fundamentally are what america is, as is michelle obama who is an african american woman whose roots came from enslaved in it

country. you think about all of it. think about tim walz, his history. this convention has been described as a family reunion. and i think it is a perfect description of it because what each of these speeches did tonight and each of these speeches have done over the course of the last few days is show the american family, show it in all its diversity. show it in all of its complexity and show it in all of its joy. and i definitely agree with alex. there was something super special about michelle obama tonight. she is that sister cousin friend, if your sister cousin friend became first lady she would be michelle obama or our friend in our head. does not do a lot of public speaking, does not appear a lot. does not do a lot of politics. when she speaks it is special. when she speaks it is for a special occasion. the fact that she was willing to come back out from living

her life in her grief and describe her grief at losing her mom. she was not sure she was ready to do this. she did it for kamala harris. that kamala harris is special enough to her that she felt the need to be here and to bring us all up even in a moment when she could be feeling down and to give us an instruction on how to complete the mission that her husband, our former president started. i thought it was brilliant. i thought all of the speeches worked so well and intersected together. it was a brilliant mosaick. let me go to you, you know barack obama better than any of us, even me, too, watching him give that speech, i know you were advising him as part of it as well. a lot of it felt very personal. a lot of the speech read like he wrote it himself on a long form of notebook kind of like

this, i would guess. what do you think, what should people read from what came from his heart. there were things that he wanted to get off of his chest, clearly. >> both of them. like it was a huge thing, decades worth of feelings and thoughts. you know, a couple things jumped out to me. first of all, something that is remark babble obama's as speakers on one hand the message feels familiar, right? on the other hand, these speeches were very much of this time in this moment, you know. and if you listen to that speech the second part he is basically going all of the way back to 20 years ago when he stood on the stage in 2004 and launched his political career. he is saying, look, i look out at america and i don't see the same division and anger and frankly like hatred of each

other that our politics represents and he truly believes that. he gets a sense of the genuine insistence that we are better than the worst things we see in our politics. and the thing that both of them i think did so well tonight is, you know, there is something about trump that kind of pulls his political opponents and democrats into being angry, into being grim, into being fatalistic and sometimes becoming a reflection trump himself in the kind of division that we engage in. and with the obama's they don't fall in that trap. he drew sharp contrast, took hits from trump. he does it from a belief in something better and hopeful and joyful and inclusive and he wants others to join. he is not just speaking to the room that agree with him he is trying to persuade the person that is skeptical out there. he is doing work on hairis and

more than any speaker highlighting some of the -- harris and more than any speaker highlighting her values, he is telling a story. people ask me, what is the key to an obama speech. to me he always said to speechwriters, a speech is a story, not a 5-point plan or lines you stream together and staple into a speech. every speech has to be an arc of a story he is telling the story he is telling is about what america could be if we do the work and have faith in each other. and so i just think it was kind of both them showcased the best in their aspects of political figures and people. she was personal, all heart, all emotion. it was gritty, but also connoisseur. he brought a lot of thought, things churning in his head, some touched on them. these are the things and churn

and clurn in barack obama's head no matter what he is doing churn in barack obama's head no matter what he is doing. connects it all of the way from 2004 to today. if you are watching his speeches you are feeling like, wait a second, i think i see the light at the end of the tunnel. i think we might actually get through this era and it might actually end how we want today to start in 2008. that is just not a feeling that we have had even in 2020 with an emergency everyone coming together in a pandemic to beat trump. they are shining the light and there it is at the end of the tunnel if, as michelle obama said, we all do something. >> they were both remarkable. we still have not heard from josh shapiro and tim walz. >> and kamala harris >> yes. it has been 20 years since barack obama, then not president obama he was a state

senator gave his speech in 2004. he has had political evolution yourself. >> we both gave speeches at our respected conventions. mine went well but not as well as his did in 2004. it is quite an arc. i appreciate a lot of what ben said and i think it gives context to both how he sees both of them see america and the individuals in this country if is a way of reminding us y'all need to wake up because y'all have been sleep walking through some stupid. you need to recognize where we are headed is not even where the founders on their worst day in dealing with slavery and women and others in this country would not even be close

to that. we are so far remove friday that. we are in a whole different space here. i think that for me it was, it was important to do it with humor at times with some nice punch lines that kind of, you know, hit you in the jaw. but the thrust of what he said is exactly -- he has been part of writing the speeches, but just an experience of reliving the story lines that you tried to get in front of america at a time where they were starting to close their ears. because that is exactly what happened when he became president if we are honest about it. you don't have the then minority leader of the senate say we are going to make this man a one-term president if you are not closing your ears, right? so, we are at the point where now we are all kind of walking around like this and the only thing we want to hear and see is the entertainment that is

trump but that entertainment is not good. it is not good for the country. not healthy for the country. i felt like what he, what both of them said in their respective 1-2 punch was a wake up call to the moment. you have a chance to correct the course. this is not about electing a black woman, there is about electing the best person for the country. and that is a very powerful message. then when you throw in roll call. >> we are going to talk all about it. >> the whole vibe this evening it was one -- i don't know what you said 180 degrees from last night. not that last night was bad or depressing t was what it was supposed to be. you can feel that convention hall turn a corner. i think, i will be curious the number of americans who watched tonight because there were 20 million plus last night. and if you are watching this, unlike what you saw at the

republican convention and i say this as a republican who sitting there going, yeah, i know we can do better, right? you don't want to right now because you are dealing with trump. this thing caught the imagination of people, and i think, the opama's put that serious point on how we are turning the corner >> we will talk about the roll call including -- it was one of my favorite moments. joy and alex you are amazing, thank you very much for sticking around i know you had long days and can't wait to talk to you tomorrow, too. we will sneak in a quick break. lots more coming up. don't go anywhere, we will be right back go anywhere, we will right back .

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something. michael steel and ben rhodes are back with me and joining the table is former chief spokesperson for vice president harris, simone harris townsend. i am going to add to the clip that we saw. we were all gasp on air and laughing while talking today was a trolley day in the best way possible from the harris- walz team. huthe obamas with trolley under the skin lines but you had vice president harris and governor walz in wisconsin in the literal place where trump did his rally with a huge crowd. governor pritzker, let me ask you, you are fresh meat for the

after dark era. what stood out for you the most? >> i was, i was wonder figure they, if she was going to come to the convention, she was close to her mother. and, when you lose a parent, my father died five years ago and it still feels as though it is fresh i know your mother passed just last year. when you lose a parent no matter how old you are it is something that, it scars you, it consumes you, but to see mrs. obama on that stage and say that the reason that she was compelled to be standing there was because of her mother, because how her mother taught her to use her voice, that her voice is powerful. she had something to say and people needed to hear it. she used her mother as an example, painting the picture that the lessons her mother taught her are the similar

messages kamala harris' mother taught her. she was not just speaking to democrats she is the best communicator and the best person to stand up there on a night like tonight when she speaks america hears her. she is america's first lady. >> and mom. >> america's mom. like her story and just what she has to say which is why when mrs. obama said i, i am telling you, i am asking you, i am telling toy do you to do something. i thought michelle lavone robinson obama had something to say. she used had his name tonight, she knows what donald trump did to her family, tried to do to

president barack obama. make it plain. do not allow him to do this to vice president harris, she say patriot, she is dignified, she worked her way up to this place in the country like a lot of people. donald trump does not understand that hard work, barack obama and i do, kamala and doug do, we have to do the work to elect them. i thought it was poignant and powerful following the love story of doug emhoff. we will cue this up, former president obama said. i totally agree with you. they both campaigned a bit but tonight felt more like they were getting everything off of their chest that they felt since you and i were working for them when donald trump was elected. and there was a bitterness and

an anger that after all of the progress they made this is what the country was doing. let's play that if we have that clip and we will talk about that, too. >> here is a 78-year-old billionaire who has not stopped whining about his problems since he rode down his golden escalator nine years ago. a constant stream of gripes and grievances that actually has been getting worse now that he is afraid to lose to kamala. the childish nicknames, the crazy conspiracy theories, this weird obsession with crowd sizes. [ laughter ] >> so, it was striking to me, there is a lot of ways that everybody talked about donald trump over the last 10 years he has been in all of our lives,

the threat he poses to democracy, wanting to be a dictator on day one and how president barack obama talked tonight. and how it evolved over the last month which is belittling him. making him smaller than he wants to project to be. do you think that is his own evolution as well about how to talk about him? i think barack obama always used humor to disarm his opponents. it was a constant thread in previous campaigns. i think he realizes that the way to cut an autocrat down to size is cutting him down not building him up toking about a strong man which i am guilty of sometimes. but you put your finger on it. i worked through the end with you but then in the years after, too. people would say what is so their minds and i would be like what do you think? they are not happy.

this is horrible. this man who's lied about them and misrepresented them and attacked their family and now trying to dismantle the things he worked on, how do you think they feel? they both did something interesting, she more than him, let people into that feeling. shed early in her speech, she has had a pit of despair >> yes, she shared. what does michelle obama think about trump being elected president after her husband, she told you. a pit in her stomach for eight years because of that but they close to be empowered about it. then when they took the hits at trump they were about, again, a story. not just trump is a bully, bad guy. trump only cares about himself, kamala cares about you. not just a hit on trump disconnected from a bigger argument it was the argument. it was every thing that they said about trump boiled down to the fact that this guy only cares about himself and he only will fight for himself and he,

you know, everything from how he has to put other people down to pull himself up to taking that generational wealth, affirmative action was a pretty good line from michelle obama. all of that is a guy looking out for him to kamala and she is looking out for you. next level politicians, michelle obama is the antipolitician, it was not just them getting their wacks into trump and getting it off of their chests it was channels that into the purest argument for harris. they were doing work up there, too >> in a different way it was similar to the 2012 argument that barack obama played when he was running to get re- elected. i am fighting for you and the other guy is fighting for himself, it was mit romney who is looking pretty good these days. [ laughter ] >> no, a romney presidency would have been totally fine. we will have to take a break. justin jones joins us live from

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party had turned into a cult of personality, we needed a leader who was steady and brought people together and was selfless enough to do the rarest thing there is in politics puts his own ambition aside for the sake of the country. history will remember joe biden as an outstanding president who defended democracy at a moment of great danger and i am proud to call him my president but i am even prouder to call him my friend. [ crowd chanting ] call him my friend. [ crowd chanting ] . joining me now from chicago is tennessee state representative justin jones,

thank you for staying up late with us. i know you had a long day already. i wanted to just, i mean, a lot has happened in the last month, i think it is fair to say in the democratic party. i don't think anybody would of predicted this is where the energy for the party would be. what was it like in the hall, the room, what do you make of the kind of energy surrounding the party and the ticket right now? >> it is great to join you, jen this is the only show that i will stay up this late for >> thank you, so honored. >> what we are seeing is an energy, a resurgence. we are witnessing the pass of a torch to a rising generation, what we are seeing here in chicago is literally a cross roads for our nation where you see so many young people, it is amazing to see how many young people showed up. i was not planning to attend but came last minute. there is a movement happening,

powerful moment which we choose at our cross roads and go through a conman, a crook, or rooted in human dignity and uplifting what this nation ought to be not making it great again but making what it ought to be. i thought about fannie lou hamer, jesse jackson, 1988, all of those that let to this moment and hopefully one day i will tell my grandchildren that we were here in 2024 and did the right thing for our democracy and our nation to move our nation forward and not one step back. >> i never spoken to you when you have not been the most eloquent person who speaks after midnight. >> barack obama spoke out for you and your colleagues. called it out called it a sign

of weakness which it certainly was. what was it like to watch him in the hall tonight. you are certainly part of the next generation of leaders who's voices are out there having an impact and he landed on the scene 20 years ago. >> yeah, i mean, it was surreal. we were sitting in the tennessee delegation by the stage to be there and to know that there were two incidents of history. number one, expelled last year by my republican colleagues, president barack obama released a statement condemning this attack on our democracy and within the next day, less than 24 hours, kamala harris came to stand with us in nashville saying we will not allow this attack happen without a challenge. we must fight for laws that protect kids and not guns, to be here, see this message of hope, see the message of audacity of hope, and michelle's speech, the hope for audacity. we saw michelle speak to the truth of the power of what is

at stake in this election. to sit here and hear barack obama message of conviction. i was sitting by a student and to know that message is to us now to say it is our time to pick up the torch and move forward and to, you know, so next convention or 20 years from now we can say we moved and progressed this nation away from these darker stories of our past, of where they are trying to take us back to as the republican convention was all about. we want to move forward together and build a nation that we can be proud of and build a new south. i represent tennessee. i believe that what is at stake is really the path to victory runs through the south. we have north carolina, we have georgia and if we want to change this nation we can not neglect the south. we are battling had project 2025 agenda in the south. i have been telling people project 2025 is tennessee 2024. book bans, abortion laws, expelling lawmakers, we are dealing with project 2025 and

we must resist it from being nationalized. >> that is thank you so much i good point. i hope you come back and talk to me about that. does not have to be after midnight. thank you, enjoy another rousing day tomorrow, i am sure it will be another one. appreciate it >> thank you. we will take another quick break. don't go anywhere, we will be right back don't go anywhere, we will be right back i still love to surf, snowboard, and, of course, skate. so, i take qunol magnesium to support my muscle and bone health. qunol's extra strength, high absorption magnesium helps me get the full benefits of magnesium. qunol, the brand i trust.

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cities and small towns, away from the noise, the ties that bind us together are still there. we still coach little league and look out for our neighbors. we still feed the hungry in churches and mosques and temples. we share the same pride when our olympic athletes compete for the gold. because the vast majority of us do not want to live in a country that is better and divided. we want something better. we want to be better. the joy and excitement we are seeing around this campaign tells us we are not alone. >> that really reminds everybody that sees it of 2004

which i assume is purposeful and it is still how he feels. it is still a powerful message to the country. unfortunately, even more so now there is one party that wants to govern the country and one that wants to govern a sliver. >> i think that is a call back to the speech that launched him. this is what reagan did. there is a progressive patriotism that obama gives voice to that is rare to the democratic party. >> it is like reclaiming freedom. >> and not compromising a inch about inclusivity. referencing mosques and synagogues. obama has the unique capacity to

frame a progressive message about extending rights to more people and embracing democracy as the most patriotic message possible and that is a high ground for democrats to get on and stay on in this election. the other thing is there is fight over policy but part of what has been missing in politics that obama did very well, that narrator tells me what is going on. part of it is policies and legislative accomplishments but also being able to step back and tell people here is what i am seeing, here is what we are all going through and we will get through it together. i think reclaiming that patriotism is a through line for the convention and it will be a powerful momentum driver. >> really quickly, i want to get your thoughts michael, this

is a flipping of the script. >> i have been chomping at the bit. >> please we can continue the conversation. >> he put his finger on the most important thing happening in front of our lives, the shift with democrats, reclaiming things they let go of a long time ago. at one point in recent history, the two parties shared this idea of america together. that led to when the president goes abroad, nobody says anything bad about him regardless of the party. whether it is nixon or bush or clinton, everybody plays the game the way they need to play it and they are now reclaiming that space and saying that this country is bigger and better because of us.

it is not a individual you do not belong here but i do. >> i am betting we will hear from governor schapiro as well. thank you so much. i am glad you were in new york for this moment. stay where you are, we have another full hour of live convention coverage coming up. we have a lot more to talk about. grab a snack, settle in and we will be back after a quick break. break.

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here we go, welcome back to our special coverage of the democratic national convention and it was a night that put into focus the remarkable arc

of the democratic party. 20 years ago obama walked on stage at a democratic convention and gave a speech that changed everything. it launched him into politics. four years later he becomes a democratic nominee himself and chose biden as his running mate. >> it has been 16 years since i had the honor of accepting this party's nomination for president. i note that is hard to believe because i have not aged a bit. but it is true. looking back i can say without question that my first big decision as your nominee turned out to be one of my best and

that was asking biden to serve by my side as my friend. >> as somebody that worked for both of those men that was something to watch. he has not aged much. they have been through a lot together though. it has not always been perfect. the last couple of weeks has been rocky but as obama said tonight, biden is not only his vp he is his brother. now it is biden's vice president that will take the mantle. tonight america's first black president spoke about the first woman of color to be the nominee. >> harris will not be focused on her problems, she will be focused on yours. as president she will not just cater to her own supporters and

punish those that refused to kiss the ring or bend the knee. she will work on behalf of every american. that is who she is. in the white house she will have a outstanding partner in governor tim walz. let me tell you something. i love this guy. tim is the kind of person who should be in politics. born in a small town, served his country, taught kids, coached football, took care of his neighbors. he knows who he is and he knows what is important. you can tell those flannel shirts he wears does not come from a political consultant,

they come from his closet and they have been through some stuff. that is right. together they have kept faith with america's central story, a story that says we are all created equal. all of us endowed with certain rights that everybody deserves a chance that even when we do not agree with each other, we can find a way to live with each other. >> first of all, the cutaway shots of her saying that is right are some of the best things at the convention. back with me the cohost of nbc the weekend. former spokesperson for harris,

townsend and anthony is a veteran of many campaigns and joining us from chicago, a former obama speech writer. john is the host of god save america. terry is the author of find your voice, speak your mind and inspire any audience. let me start with you too. you are two of the best speechwriters and storytellers and soon-to-be best-selling authors. watching the speech tonight, you are still advising obama, you know how he speaks, a lot of it felt personal, things he wanted to get off of his chest. what do you think he hopes people took away from that speech tonight?

they cannot hear me. >> i can hear you. >> terry can hear me, we will talk to terry. congratulations on the book. let me ask the same thing. you wrote a lot of speeches for obama and a lot of it felt personal tonight and a lot of it felt he was trying to send a clear message, some hearkened back to 2004. what do you think having written many speeches for him he hopes people take away from tonight? >> that the stakes are as high as he laid out tonight. one of the things that struck me that always made him a effective communicator, they do not engage in the typical clichis and platitudes and slogans you hear often in political conventions.

they did not yell. they had a conversation with the voters. they were speaking to millions around the country. one of the things obama said to me once, people forget that there are microphones, it is not the 80s, you do not have to scream out the audience. they did not talk about the american people in the third person, they said you throughout the speech. the most important moment of the entire speech obama gave was when he asked the question everybody should ask, who will stand up for me and my family? the rest of the speech was his answer. >> i loved that part of the speech. you and i were both backstage in 2004 with that daughters who were arguing so they did not get to see it on the convention floor but there was quite a arc i was talking about a few minutes ago. you wrote many speeches for him

and you still advise him, what should people look at tonight and say that is who he has consistently been and what was new? what was a new way of mentioning the moment we are in. >> he approaches all speeches as a organizer first and foremost. a community organizer in chicago and because he is a organizer at heart, he always thinks about not just the people that were already vote for them but the people out there that are not sure what they will do. as he said in the speech he does not want to schooled people or yell about who is right or wrong, he wants to persuade people and what he wanted to do tonight is speak directly to people who are sitting home and thinking i may vote but i am not sure what i

want to do yet and like terry said, who will fight for me and who is not? he wanted to contrast trump, not just his policies but his character and his values which is someone who only inks about himself, who only complains about his own problems, or harris who has fought for people her entire life. >> it felt personal and specific how he talked about the vice president. i want to ask about michelle's speech. i am sure when you were watching that, it was a hard act to follow. when she was speaking, she does not go out there often. she does not think of herself, she is a reluctant political warrior. when you were watching her speech it felt like it went further than she has typically

gone, what did you make of that and what did you take away from how strongly she gave that speech and how much she wanted to go after trump in it? >> obama said he is the only one stupid enough to follow michelle, which he likes to acknowledge. the reason michelle is so effective is because she is not a love with politics, so when she speaks she sounds like she is having a conversation with people. she sounds like she does when you talk to her in real life so you can feel that she has a good relationship with harris, they are friends, she feels it deeply, she felt deeply in 2020 and 2016 about the threat trump poses but there has been a lot of sharp lines about trump in this convention and i thought

michelle's indictment of trump was the most devastating and convincing of everyone's without being as sharp because she met people where they are and she talked about values and that is so much more important than picking apart any specific lines or policies. >> and spoke like people who talk about him who are frustrated by him and not partisan hacks a lot of people. anthony, let me ask you. you have seen a lot of politics in the south, part of what obama and michelle were trying to do was appeal to a audience beyond the people in the room. people that do not like trump, they are not sure, maybe they

never vote for democrats before, maybe they do not vote often. what was your take away? >> i absolutely agree, i think there were two basic goals the democratic party had going in, you want to motivate the party faithful. the people that will canvas, worked the phones, i am thinking specifically of a 83- year-old african woman in west virginia who said she was suited up and ready to go. she was not comfortable sitting back and letting trump still everything she fought for in her life. this is somebody that remembers the jim crow south and understands why project 2025 is wrong and what it can do to the fundamental freedoms she secured . the first goal, motivate

people like her and the second goal, reach people that are just beginning to tune in. the nikki haley voters, the moderates and the independence. this is why it was so important during prime time to give them the republican mayor of mesa arizona, a border state. i think i heard you say this earlier today, it gives people permission. so those are the two goals and we are halfway to the convention and i think democrats , to use a coach waltz metaphor, they are throwing the ball down the field. >> i do not want to undersell

doug, the second gentleman because his speech was great i thought. it was so accessible and human and endearing and in a chunk of his speech he talks about his roots and his faith and he told a nerdy story about his pursuit of harris, i think we have a clip of it, i want to talk to you a little bit about him. >> this thursday will be our 10th wedding anniversary. which i know it means i will hear the embarrassing voicemail again, however that is not all i will be hearing. that same night i will hear my wife except your nomination for president of the united states. with your help she will lead with joy and toughness with that

laugh and that look, with compassion and conviction. she will lead with the belief that wherever we come from and whatever we look like we are strongest when we fight and what we believe in, not just against what we fear. harris was exactly the right person for me at a important moment in my life and at this moment in our nation's history, she is exactly the right president. >> first of all, i love how into her she is. >> every husband in america, if you are not giving what doug was giving tonight you need to reevaluate your priorities. >> all i can say is they are 10 years in. wait until they get to 39. >> i talked to your wife every

day. >> he did not seek out politics, that is not why he married a attorney general. >> doug was a successful entertainment lawyer in california. he is a skilled negotiator. he met the attorney general for a blind date and he told a little bit of the story tonight but she was in a client meeting and one of her friends wanted to introduce doctor somebody and her friend says i am going to tell you but it is harris and he said the attorney general? that is the origin of their love story, they are intellectual equals. what i love that america is seeing from the second gentleman, he is someone that loves his wife, not in

intimidated by his leadership, leans into it, he respects her and she respects his opinion and he is someone that has carved out his own space, the second gentleman of the u.s. and in that role he leaned into how man can and should support women but also has worked in combating anti-semitism. the first say that that happened at the naval observatory where he lived was because of doug and harris, there is a precedent being set here and people are able to see themselves i think in him and the more people get to know doug they will love him. the last thing i will say, you talk about the different factions tonight was appealing to, their family which is a blended family is appealing to a lot of people in america. how many times have we talked

about the fact that there are stepmom's and stepdad's and bonus children, i have a son but i am a stepmother. there are so many families that look like their family. they are seeing themselves tonight. >> i think that is a important point, we have been told for the last nine years that it does not represent america. america's are saying, wait a minute, that is my family. what you just said about the vice president and her husband, i guess we will not be seeing photos of her making a face when he tries to kiss her or him moving his hand out of the way or my favorite is when they look at each other

>> he is talking about trump and his wife. >> just before we let you go, terry, one of the weakest things any campaign needs to do during a convention is tell the story of the person at the top of the ticket and we are just beginning that. last night was really about biden passing the torch, tonight was about lifting up harris but also about appealing to a broad swath of the country, how do you think the convention is doing in that regard and what you think tomorrow needs to look like? we will hear from governor schapiro and some others tomorrow. >> i thought tonight was a fantastic job, the second gentleman's speech was terrific, i loved it. i heard stories about harris tonight i never heard before.

millions are watching. they will not just vote for a set of policies, they are important but we are voting for a person we want to be our president for the next four years and he helped us understand her in a way that i do not think any speaker has done before. we got to know which is like at home, with her family, what her values are and that is what people will ultimately vote for. i would hope for the rest of the week every speaker that knows her shares personal stories they have. what is she like, what are her values and what motivates her. this is what the american people need to know. we have seen this over and over again, how candidates get stereotyped so the more we can know her as the person she is in her values, the stronger the campaign will be. >> i asked ben this question

earlier so we will see who has the better answer i guess, one of the things that has been interesting over the past couple of weeks, and this is consistent with obama's messaging as well, as a effort to reclaim patriotism and reclaim freedom as something that is not a republican value, it is something all americans should benefit from and as we look to the next couple of days, i think we will hear governor schapiro talk about that. do you think it should be central to what other big primetime speakers are talking about over the next couple of days and what does that rift look like? >> i do not know if it is just a rest, it is a entire story and i think everybody should focus on that. i think harris will focus on that as well. four speakers come to mind, aoc, doug, michelle and obama,

for different people, summer into politics, some are not, some are more liberal than others but what they all have in common is that they made their speeches, they understood the assignment, convince people to elect harris and the way to do that is to make the speeches about people. they are not trying to create a viral moment or trying to puff up your self, it is about trying to convince people who are on the fence to go out and vote for harris. the way you do that is by painting a picture of america that everybody feels comfortable belonging in and showing people we are just like you, we want to spend all of our time fighting for you and that is what harris wants to do and that is what tim wants to do and i think the messages from tim, to doug, to the

obama's, they are all sending a message that says we do not have to live in a country where the idea of strength and stake masculinity that is in trump prevails over us. the strength comes from looking out for each other. this place was founded on the idea where no matter what you look like or where you come from, you can come here and make it and be successful and we can figure out a way to live together despite our differences. >> it turns out there are more people that believe that than the alternative and that is important to remember. thank you for staying up with us. we had to sneak in a quick break. we have more to talk about in our life the ansi coverage including cassidy who gave us a roll call unlike anything we have ever seen. he will stop by.

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we are not going back. bac. we will move forward, just like the wisconsin state motto tells us. >> the dnc is in chicago this week but tonight the ticket was in milwaukee where they packed

the same arena that held the rnc last month. this is trolling, that is the only way i can say it. joining me is the president and ceo of vote latina and our entire table is still here. let me start with you. the trolling is real, they packed the arena in wisconsin. tim and obama made crowd size digs tonight. what you make of how they are handling it? >> the are doing it with finesse and they are not being mean about it. they are not ai generated crowds. i was in the hall yesterday and today and the energy is palpable. the last time i felt such energy, people feeling joy and a

collective relief that we have the opportunity to put the demagogues back in their place, it was a different week than i have seen in a long time. you hear the crowd feeling joyous, optimistic but clear eyed that there is a lot of work to do. everybody here, we are noting out, walking around with her latest research and clipboards. one of the things we are finding is there is a momentum that we normally expect post labor day. at vote latino, we came out with research where harris is up 16 points but she is actually taking point away from trump. if the election was done today by latino swing voters in battleground states, she siphons off seven points from

kennedy and close to 15 from trump himself. >> it is remarkable, you have said i cannot believe you people are registering. it is not just excitement but showing itself in terms of volunteers, engagement and people wanting to be involved. as i mentioned before, but to remind people tuning in, you have done campaigns in the south, there are now states back and play it seems. i want to ask about north carolina. north carolina is a state that obama took in 2008. it has a diverse population, one that did not seem like it was moving in the direction of supporting biden but now seems like it might be, what needs to happen there in order for the ticket to take it? >> the one thing about north

carolina, the biden campaign has been on the air since last fall, my mom lives in the eastern part of the state, she called me and said there are advertisements and that never happened. the biden administration understood the assignment, they are investing resources on the ground, not just traditional broadcast media and the other thing happening in north carolina is that they have a radical republican nominee. >> they are cuckoo. >> talk about the knockoffs worse than the original, this guy is more radical than trump. north carolina will be competitive. it is the one state that trump took by the most narrow margin, i believe it was less than 1% of the vote, can i say something about trolling?

this trolling in wisconsin was top-notch. it was just needling a little bit. you know catch up bottles down and footer may have ended up on a wall someplace. i loved it. the other thing they were doing effectively and all of those states is the are rewinding the tape. you hear chance, we are not going back. they are right but they are reminding people of how bad it really was. how badly trump mishandled the pandemic. how on january 6 he summoned a mob and encourage them to go down to the capital and they did not stop until he told them to. there is a reason trump had to get another running mate, the old one took himself out.

>> part of it is what happens after. are you still there with me? good. >> i am enjoying the trolling. >> i think part of what is so exciting now is seeing the polls moving and the engagement and seeing people like michelle obama say this is your invitation to get involved. this is what everybody needs to hear. we have more days at the convention, what happens after this? when you look at states with a larger latino population like nevada, it would be great if they could take them, what needs to happen from here? >> there needs to be a immediate investment and call to action. we have 76 days to make sure people are informed, registered

and people are volunteering. this will be a grassroots conversation and this is what is important. we are clear eyed that the other side is trying to stack it against us. there is a effort to purge folks that have voted once in the last 2-3 elections, everybody needs to make sure they check their voter file. we have to be clear eyed what the prize is, it is our democracy. when harris takes it, she will govern for all americans regardless if they voted for her and there are still vague tasks ahead, the biden agenda has not been able to complete the job of setting the country straight for the 21st century.

when you are talking to activists, donors or elected officials, everybody understands this is a moment for organization, being clear on the message and more importantly the day after the convention we can keep working. >> it is still a grind. >> this is a good grind. >> it is what i wanted to talk about this, i think it is important for people to know and remember, it is work ahead. thank you for staying up late with us. it is 135 in the morning. we will be right back after a quick break. a quick break.

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i have a urgent message for the majority of the americans who like me are in the political middle of. john mccain's republican party is gone and we do not know a thing to what has been left behind. let's turn the page and put country first. let's put the adults in the room. >> it was not just democrats we heard from. the convention featured a number of republicans supporting harris. joining the conversation from chicago is a former top advisor to bush and john mccain.

thank you for joining us. i want to start with this because i do not know if this is a debate but a conversation about who the democratic convention is appealing to. it is giving a license to vote for the ticket which i agree with, there is also a part of it i assume is appealing to independents out there, people that are on the fence. you have done a lot of campaigns for republicans, who are they appealing to? >> they are appealing to people like me, the 20% of voters who voted for nikki haley. that is a huge percentage of voters, i thought his face was great, there is a lot of people on islands out there in america, independents and conservative republicans, they have not heard there were compassionate in a long time.

i thought the obama's were like a pardon to prisoners of hope out there. their speeches are on a different level, they should be called something else, they are making music, the words are symphonies and makes other speeches sound like horns honking in a traffic jam. it is not fair. >> i am biased because i worked for them but they are quite good at speechmaking. >> as good as other things that are important to campaigns, trust me. >> we will talk about that in the after dark special. when they are watching the convention, what do people say to you when they are looking for a reason? >> a lot of republicans missed this.

they miss what we are seeing now, it is what republican conventions used to be about, you poke a little fun with your rivals but you layout policy and theoretically where you want to go and how you want to leave the country. the last time we had that was with mitt romney, it was something that was missed. to a lot of folks point, they look for the music. that thing that connects them and there is a lot of connection in this convention. we were laughing earlier about how this convention sounds like a old-school republican convention, not in terms of policy but in how they talk about the country. that is important. when you're trying to reach a audience that is skeptical

along other lines like policy but you know there is a thread you can pull that touches the heart string or the soul of the country, that is what the obama's are doing, that is what doug did tonight. he humanized her, she is a mom, the girl i pursued, we fell in love. just a boy with a crush. you can juxtapose that against images of trump and his wife not wanting to touch each other and her making faces when he tries to look in her eyes and she turns away like she is going to gag. >> i am sorry michael is obsessed with this. >> i know he was showing us photos during the break. let me go back to you. you have made a lot of

advertisements in your day and michael was referencing this. this reclaiming of patriotism. i think it is actually reframing it as something that is part of what all americans are part of, not just a narrow swath of the country which is what mag a represents. what you make of that effort by a lot of democrats that is more organic but has become a bigger part of the message? >> i think it is huge and it is important, the break that harassment from biden which was more about a threat to democracy but this is a more opportunistic message. you can underestimate the power of joy. earlier we talk about conventions that were successful, they were happy, joyful, city shining on a hill. compassionate conservatism. a element of happiness optimism

and joy and it is really dark on the republican side and i think people are hungry to get out of the darkness. by the way, it is joyful but also tough and strong. as you know having done campaigns, the most important asset a candidate can have is the perception of strength, that is why trump has done so well, that is why biden was in trouble because of his age, harris seems joyful but also strong, joyful and a warrior. that kind of combination could be unbeatable. >> no question, it is how you make people feel. thank you for staying up late with us. coming up, there have been a lot of breakup stars in this convention. none better than cassidy who

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>> my name is dj cassidy and i'd like to welcome you all to the democratic national convention roll call. >> the great state of california, how do you cast your vote? georgia, how do you cast your vote? >> the commonwealth of massachusetts.

texas, how do you cast your vote? >> joining us now is dj cassidy. you can't see is real dancing on the set because that was just an amazing, incredible part of the program tonight. normally the roll call vote is not fun or cool. he made it both. thank you so much for being here. let me start by asking you, this is a political event that is normally a very nerdy moment. the vibe was so much more. how did you feel as it was all happening up there and you were orchestrating it and watching it all happen on the floor? >> well, the whole night was truly surreal. first of all, thank you for having me.

the entire night was a surreal experience, the culmination of over four weeks of planning, meticulous duration and meticulous thought went into every musical component of this piece and when the producers of the convention first came to me, i learned something that i totally did not know, which was that music has never been a part of a convention roll call before, and they said, you are going to be the first musical maestro of a convention roll call and that is something i really had to wrap my mind around and sitting here in my hotel room watching you play back those clips that i've been working on for weeks up until this morning in this chair at this desk is a very emotional feeling. >> i think it's here to stay.

there will always be a musical maestro. michael steele was a dj in college, and we promised we wouldn't tell people in this moment what is dj name is. he does have a question for you. did the states pick the songs where you picked to the songs, how did that work exactly? >> i proposed every song and i have to say it was very collaborative between myself, the producers in the convention in the states, and it was very important to me from the very beginning that the songs had special meaning to these states and that did not just mean the obvious like jay-z and alicia keys empire state of mind but songs could have meaning in many different ways and they did have meaning in all different ways. it was very important, essential to me that the states

felt a bond with the music, so i acted as the set off point, the source of inspiration to this music and it was very collaborative, over the last month really and again it was just such a -- an electric feeling in the arena to see it and hear it all come to life and at the end of the day i have many goals but one overarching goal was to turn the arena into a party, into a celebration, a celebration of our country in all its diversity and glory, and i wanted the music to represent us all, represent all genres, all people, all generations, and i think everyone who worked on this achieved that. >> no question. all right, bring us home.

>> i've been waiting an hour and 50 minutes to have this conversation. i really appreciate what you did and just the artistry of it. he makes it sound like oh yeah, i just pick some songs. this brother did work to put this together because you were able to do the combination of things, to take country, to take wrap, to take r&b, to take the various genres out there. my background, my special's house. that's where i play. i bring some stuff out of the 60s, mix in a little marvin gaye with some cascade it all works. i don't have a question per se. i just wanted to just let you know you hit the note. you changed the way conventions will do this in the future. republicans, you will need to learn from this brother because

he laid it out in props all around. >> thank you so much, that makes the world to me seriously you made my day that i want to give my appreciation to all the producers of the convention and all the states and for giving me this platform and the opportunity to do just that and thank you guys for having me tonight. >> thank you so much. what a great night. that does it for us tonight. thank you. good night, good morning, hello and we will see you tomorrow for night three of the democratic convention.

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