♪♪ good day. i'm chris jansing back from the dnc and live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. she's off the trail today, but

absolutely not off the clock. kamala harris after acknowledging the hard part is about to begin is meeting today with staff in chicago to chart the campaign's next steps for the grueling fight ahead. before returning to her other job, her day job, vp in d.c. plus, while harris heads east, donald trump heads west trying to claw back and reclaim some momentum by pummelling the vp online and rallying in not one, but two battleground states today. so what else is the former president planning to get his own campaign's juices flowing again? and digging into kamala harris's deep connection with howard university, the alma mater she says helped shape her as a person. coming up, i'll talk to another howard alum about how harris's nomination is breaking new ground for graduates of historically black universities. we begin with four words that tell you the mind-set of kamala

harris's campaign today. her team posted this picture just before 1:30 this morning, officially declaring an end to the dnc and writing, next stop, election day. between now and then, harris will try to build on her rousing convention and a speech that was in part traditional. hammering themes of freedom and opportunity, but it was also unique and not just because of the transformation of what was a dejected party to a bowl yent, energized, choose your adjective. it's such a stark contrast to donald trump who she called an unserious man and implied dangerous as well. >> consider the power he will have especially after the united states supreme court just ruled that he would be immune from criminal prosecution.

just imagine donald trump with no guard rails, and we know what a second trump term would look like. it's all laid out in project 2025, written by his closest advisers, and its sum total is to pull our country back to the past, but america, we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. we are not going back. >> so now the harder part begins, turning that rallying cry we are not going back into fast action. 74 days to make it happen, and harris knows it. as we heard from her in the hallways of the convention after the speech talking with our nbc reporters. >> how do you feel tonight? >> i feel good. now on to tomorrow. >> how is your dad doing?

>> he's well. that place was going nuts, what did it feel like in that moment? >> it felt good. it felt good. i mean, listen, we've got 75 days to go, so maybe for better and for worse, thabs the way i am. like that was good, now we got to move on. >> i want to bring in yamiche alcindor in chicago, matthew dowd is now a senior msnbc political analyst, and lindy lisa, a harris/walz national finance committee member and a democratic strategist. good to see all of you here. yamiche, harris says we've got to move on. what exactly does that mean? what's the next step? >> reporter: what it means is there's work to do. one of the lines that she said is that her mother would be proud of her. she would be taking in the moment, but then she would be telling her, okay, you have work to do. go out and do it. they plan on taking a few days off, vice president harris and governor walz to sort of take

this in over the weekend with her going back to d.c., him going back to minnesota, and then we expect that they're going to have some travel next week. we're not sure exactly where that could be. it could be georgia. there was a trip scheduled there that they had to reschedule because of the storm. that being said, we also expect they are going to have some sort of joint interview. we're not exactly sure when that could happen. the vice president has said that was going to happen before the end of august. we should look out for that. and then we expect them to start barn storming the country around labeled and really, it's a traditional time where campaigns usually push out, and also it's a time where voters are seen as really checking in and really starting to pay attention to the presidential campaign. so we expect all of that travel to start really kicking up, and there's of course going to be the money to raise. we expect there to be a number of fundraisers for vice president harris and walz, and we're looking at that. when i talk to people who are close to vice president harris, they continue to underscore that this is a campaign that while they are looking like the energetic enthusiastic campaign,

they're very aware this is going to be a close race and they want to make sure they turn this enthusiasm into action and all the cheering into actual votes. they're going to be laser focused on that in the 70 odd days as we get closer and closer to election day, chris. >> we've got the ratings for the first three nights of the dnc. they surpassed the rnc. more than 20 million people for each of the first three nights. we're waiting to see about last night. but you were with the harriss after the speech, and i want to play a little of what you posted. >> like i said, we got work to do, but tonight we're going to have some fun, and then tomorrow we're just going to get right back to it. so join me in toasting my wife. >> you look happy, that's fantastic. that's the first time i'm seeing it. what was the mood backstage? what are the conversations like? there is this, it seems to me, you tell me, this push and pull between i can't believe how well everything has gone to, oh, man,

we still got 74 days to go. we better put our nose to the grindstone. >> chris, it's such an honor to be here, thank you so much for having me. the atmosphere in the room was absolutely electrifying. it was such an honor to be there. i had a private moment with the vice president as well. it was really mind boggle that she took time on her special night to speak with her most ardent and long standing supporters. as doug said in the video, yes, it was a tremendous success, but we should not rest on our laurels. we spoke earlier about fund-raising, and the importance of that. i will be hosting her in september for a multimillion dollar event. the money needs to continue. this is going to be a multibillion dollar operation, especially for blue wall states like georgia, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. in pennsylvania where i am, both campaigns, both the trump campaign and the harris campaign have committed to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on ads and other resources that will

help us maintain the blue wall. >> so matthew, one thing about the dnc, it's very tightly scripted, right? like most conventions are. harris has done arguably less well in the past with unscripted moments. now you've got this period when she's expected to do that sit-down interview that yamiche talked about. she's going to have to face a whole new wave of republican attacks, and she'll be asked to answer for those, and then of course the big september 10th debate. what does she need to do to get through it, and what do you think her strengths and weaknesses are in that regard? >> well, first, it's a pleasure to be on with my friend lindy. so glad she had the moment with the vice president in there. hey, i mean, to me is this entire month has been unscripted. i mean, that's how i think you have to judge the vice president in this. this is not something she expected a month and five weeks ago, and then five weeks ago or less the entire world, political world was disrupted and she's

thrown in to be the nominee or potential nominee. she seals the nomination. she does all the work and quickly organizes the campaign. i think we have pretty good evidence that she's fairly good in high intense, unscripted moments as evidenced by the last month in this. to me in a campaign, and we did this in bush world, especially coming out of the convention in 2004, we had a slight lead, and how you look at this, chris, is you basically say we have 74 days left, which is what it is, and how do you win a majority of those days. you try to win a day at a time or win two out of three days, and what you also think about is the debate that is going to happen is probably worth 20 campaign days. it's probably worth the composite of what you would get out of 20 campaign days. >> just because so many people are working, are watching, it gets so much coverage, 20 days? >> it's worth at least 20 days because what you get out of that is you're going to get millions of people watch it, and that's

one. two is people judge most of the daily campaign events and the advertising as scripted or more like marketing. a debate to them is not like marketing, and so it has the power of authenticity combined with a huge audience, and it's worth at least 20 campaign days. that's why to me, yes, it's important for her to get on the road. yes, it's important for her to do all the things she needs to do. if i were counseling her, do all those things but keep in mind the most important date left in this campaign is that debate night. >> and one of the things that she's been hitting really hard and there is no doubt that she will hit it hard in the debate, although i think some people were surprised by how hard she went after donald trump last night is, of course, the issue of reproductive rights. and let me play a little clip from her speech. >> he plans to create a national anti-abortion coordinator and force states to report on

women's miscarriages and abortions. simply put, they are out of their minds. >> you know, matt, i mean, that's obviously the main theme they have been pounding all along because they know it has worked in the last couple of elections, but calling donald trump weird or saying he's out of his mind, does that work as long as you connect it to something, in this case connecting it to reproductive rights? >> yeah, i mean, i think it's a profoundly effective campaign strategy. what it comes across as is it comes across as observational, not judgmental, and that's a big difference, and it also comes across as you're criticizing donald trump, but not his voters in this, and if you can take that sort of weirdness, wackiness, craziness, weakness in many ways that was talked about and connected to all the issues on freedom and the

economy and health care and all those things, you have a very, very powerful message, and i thought one of the most effective things that she did and throughout the dnc convention was not going after voters but basically welcoming voters in to stand on the side of people that have the best interests of the country at hand against the wacky weirdness and craziness of donald trump and his minions. >> yeah, i don't know if there's ever been as many republicans on the stage of a democratic national convention putting that call out there. let me go back to the money, though. all of this does cost money, and they've been doing extraordinarily well. having said that, ask anybody, you can disagree with me, matt, but there's never too much money, no such thing as that. so i wonder what your conversations have been like with donors. you said you're going to have a fundraiser for her. i mean, obviously we know there were people holding out on joe biden, hoping he would drop out, a lot of money has come in since then, but what are your conversations like with donors?

>> it's been night and day. when biden was still in the race, people stopped giving. it got to the point where i just stopped asking because it was completely futile, and i love president biden on a personal level. but it got to the point where donors no longer saw the campaign as a wiping proposition, and they see everything through a cost benefit analysis, and he just wasn't pas passing muster. the money was stopping, his national polls are cratering. it got to the point where something had to be done, and that is why we are providing a tremendous wave of relief and joy across america, and that's not just with the american people, it's with the donors themselves. and i raised $2 million for her in five days. it took me a year to raise 1.1 million for the biden campaign. so the contrast is so vividly stark, and right now i'm not out there cajing people or finagling the contributions. people are coming to me. they so much want to be part of this vision and movement to

ensure because these business people who are donating they want stability in the markets. they don't want the pandemonium and chaos trump would release. as a woman of child bearing age myself, what she said on the stage last night was so important because she will continue to remind people that donald trump is the reason why we have three additional right wing extremists on the supreme court. donald trump is why roe was overturned in a 6-3 vote, and that is why we simply cannot endure another four years of trump because we would be at risk of another clarence thomas, a clarence thomas clone. we simply cannot endure that fate. >> i think we heard what it's like to be on the other end of a phone call from lindy asking for money. thank you so much. matthew dowd, i think you're going to stick around and talk to us a little bit more. in 90 seconds, cameras are turning away from the dnc and zeroing back in on the

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realtime commentary as kamala harris was speaking. the posts were chock full of personal attacks, angry and defensive. then just after harris wrapped, he dialed in to fox news to offer what the "new york times" calls a rambling rebuttal. >> why didn't she do the things that she's complaining about? all of these things that she talked about, we're going to do this, we're going to do that, we're going to do everything. but she didn't do any of it. she could have done it three and a half years ago. she could do it tonight by leaving the auditorium and going to washington, d.c., and closing the border. >> nbc's david noriega is on the ground in las vegas ahead of trump's first event and matthew dowd is back with us. david, what more can you tell us about donald trump's response to harris and i guess what we would call an attempt to get the attention back on him? >> reporter: yeah, chris, it's pretty clearly an attempt to counteract the widespread

perception and the substantial evidence in the polling that trump is doing a lot worse in this race now than he was when he was running against joe biden. here in las vegas trump is expected to speak right behind me in about two hours, and nevada and the sun belt states generally have become increasingly critical in this race, and particularly for the trump campaign. it's increasingly clear that these are states that they need to win on their path to winning the electoral college. nevada illustrates a couple of very important trends in terms of what has changed since the switch at the top of the democratic ticket, specifically a couple of demographics, hispanic voters, young voters. biden had lost a lot of ground against trump with those demographics compared to where he was in 2020. since harris entered the race, there's been a reset with those demographics. she has gained back a lot of that ground, not all of it, importantly but most of it. now trump is having to respond to that specific situation. he was asked about the losses, kamala harris's successes with those demographic when is he called into fox news last night. take a listen.

>> she's not having success. i'm having success. i'm doing great with the hispanic voters. i'm doing great with black men. i'm doing great with women because women want safety. they want safety, and they don't have safety when they have somebody allowing 20 million people into our country, many of them very dangerous people. >> reporter: the other thing we're seeing here, chris, which that was an example of, is how he's trying his best to tie everything back to the talking points on which he feels his campaign is strongest, specifically immigration and the border and the economy. that's going to be the focus of this talk here in las vegas today. it's about his policy proposal to eliminate federal taxes on income that comes in the form of tips. of course the harris campaign has made the same proposal with a little more detail, a little more concrete specifics. it shows you that they are in states like nevada competing for literally the exact same votes. chris. >> all right, thank you for that. so matthew, that phone call trump made to fox news was full of attacks on harris, although at one point he did compliment

the dnc saying the convention hall was a nice looking room. that's about as complimentary as it got, and then at one point as "the new york times" put it, he was rambling on so much, they just basically -- the show was ending, and they cut him off and went to the next program. the next host had to say, i didn't do it, donald trump. so assuming you don't think that that last night is going to help him regain momentum, how can he do it? >> well, he's got to be different than what he's been acting like in the last three weeks. >> we know he's not going to change personally, so can the campaign make up for that? >> no, the campaign cannot recover from a bad candidate or a candidate who's off message and not doing it. they can run the best ads, do the best organization. you can't overcome a campaign that's not disciplined and not doing it right. i still think donald trump has it in him because he did it in -- he did it in 2016, if people remember in the last 90 days he was fairly disciplined,

and he stayed on message in the course of that. the problem is is he's coming now, in my view, he feels like he's coming from a place of weakness. that call in felt very -- from a person that wasn't coming from a place of strength but from a place of weakness, and the idea to me is so off message, the idea that he's going to talk about women are concerned about safety from a guy that was convicted of lying about a sexual abuse of a woman and had to pay millions of dollars in the course of that or is going to have to pay millions of dollars is just way off message, and i don't know if he can do it. we saw some -- as i said, we saw some reasons in 2016 that he was able to do it, but for some reason he seems to have a very difficult time against somebody like the vice president and somebody can examine why that is psychologically, but he can't seem to do what he did to hillary clinton against vice president harris. >> david noriega and matthew dowd, thank you so much. we've got some brand new

developments in the investigation into the july assassination attempt against former president trump. a source familiar tells nbc multiple secret service agents have been put on leave. nbc's ryan reilly is reporting on this. what else can you tell us, ryan? >> so what this indicates is that the disciplinary process has sort of been kicked off potentially against these individuals including the head of the pittsburgh office for the secret service. you know, we saw that press -- we saw that rather moment on capitol hill during a hearing several weeks ago where you sort of had a lot of politicians pounding the table and saying why hadn't anybody been held accountable for this, that sort of thing. i think what that sort of relied upon, that messaging was sort of the public -- the general public's not really knowledge of how this process actually works and the civil service protections that are in place. there is a process for holding people accountable. that is what we're getting indicators of now with people being on leave as this process played out. it could be very slow going within the bureaucracy within any agency really when you go

through these disciplinary processes. there was a case involving a prosecutor a few weeks ago that that took years for them to get through that process and hold her accountable. this is something that's going to play out over time. there is a lot of pressure from capitol hill to make sure people are being held accountable for the clear failures that were present during that attempted assassination on former president trump, chris. >> ryan reilly, thank you for that. coming up on "chris jansing reports," thousands of democratic delegates taking off the party shoes and putting on the running shoes as they head home. >> i sound confident because i know we've been doing the work and the republican party has been in shambles and it's very unclear what their message is. we're going to bring this over the finish line. we know how to win. the finish line. we know how to win

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it is hard to overstate the cultural significance of kamala harris accepting the democratic nomination. take a look at this photo shared by her sister. it shows two little girls looking up to a black and asian american woman making history. harris's rise is setting up a new generation of young black leaders, many of them given a moment on that big stage to show what they've got and often electrifying the convention. >> unlike donald trump, our patriotism is more than some damn slogan on a hat. it's about actually giving a damn about the people who live in this country. >> so i want to do this, when i

say one day, i want you to say see us. >> when they -- >> see us! >> when they see us, america will finally say good-bye to that hateful man. >> as president, she will support risk takers and problem solvers who want to just do their part and claim their piece of the american dream. >> and now talking to delegates, there's this sense that the sea change has a chance to turn into a tsunami, with inspiration far beyond political ambition and generations. just listen to a student at harris's alma mater and a delegate who, like harris, is a graduate of howard university and a member of the divine nine sorority. >> it's kind of like unbelievable almost to see somebody who was in the same position that i am now going into the highest office that

there is, her coming from a legal background, me being an aspiring attorney. >> tell me what this week has been? >> oh, man, it's been amazing. the excitement is palpable. i've been around politics for a very long time, since i was 18 years old, i was a jesse jackson delegate in 1988 in atlanta, and it's just been an amazing rise. like, everything that we've done to move the ball forward for women, for african americans, it's like the culmination of it. it is a moment in history that we're all celebrating tonight, particularly for women, you know, with so many issues. i feel like the biggest issue on the ballot is reproductive freedom. we talk about freedom, beyonce's freedom is the theme song of, you know, our madam vice president. but that freedom is going to ring tonight. when she gets on that stage and accepts the nomination to become the next president of the united states, those of us that are howard university alums, those

of us that are members of the divine nine, we are absolutely going to celebrate and it's going to be one of the proudest moments in my life for sure. when she hits that stage and she says it, they're going to say hu, and we're going to say you know. that's how that works. we are the mecca. there's this little competition with the other hus, maybe harvard, i don't know where they're located. hampton, hu, no, there's only one hu. that's in washington, d.c. there's only one hill, and one mecca, that's howard university. >> you're not in a state that kamala harris is likely to win. >> fair. >> what will you take home, though? >> yeah, what i'm going to take home is this energy and the excitement about that, you know, like oprah winfrey said last night, it's about dignity and respect. that's what's on the ballot. like michelle obama said the night before, i mean, there's so much at stake, and it's about

protecting our democracy, and so whether you're an independent, a republican, or a democrat, the constitution should come first, and values should come first. just do your own introspection, look in the mirror, think about your kids and grandkids and future generations. and ask if this experiment we're under right now in america, if you want it to continue, or would you like it to be china or russia? my thought process is that the majority of americans will err on the side and be on the side of history that chooses hope, chooses joy. chooses love. i mean, this didn't happen a couple of weeks ago at another place in milwaukee. it wasn't like this, and so i think we're going to take home a lot of energy. for now we only have 74 days. 74 days and a wake-up like tim walz told us. >> i didn't talk to a single delegate who didn't say they were going to take the energy home. some said they were going to sleep for the weekend and then put on those running shoes.

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more than 100,000 voters in the critical battleground state of michigan cast uncommitted ballots in the democratic primary earlier this year, proest itting president biden's handling of the war in gaza. how do they feel about the message kamala harris is projecting now that she is at the top of the ticket? nbc's yasmin vossoughian is in dear born, michigan, home to the largest arabic population in the u.s. also with us, victoria defrancesco soto, dean of the clinton school of public service at the university of arkansas and an nbc news contributor and analyst. okay, yasmin. i know you sat down late to this panel of uncommitted or mostly uncommitted voters. so i wonder what they made of harris's big speech and her campaign so far. >> we were together, chris, until about 1:00 a.m. in the morning watching that speech together. i will say, and it was fascinating to watch with them. we had four uncommitted voters, folks that voted uncommitted in the michigan primary remain uncommitted today.

one committed voter, the woman that you'll see in the front without the head scarf, she is going to stump for, she is voting for kamala harris. she is excited about the vice president running for president of the united states. the thing, chris, that really brought them together was donald trump's threat to reproductive rights in this country for women. that was something they all agreed on, but it was gaza, it was the war between israel and gaza in which these uncommitted voters remain in question as to where they would cast their ballot. let's take a listen to what they have to say, chris, and we'll talk on the other side. >> she walked the line. first she talked about israel and how october 7th was horrible. yeah, it was horrible, but it felt like she kind of down played what's been going on the last ten months. >> if she would have called for a permanent cease fire, for me that would have been different. >> you're bombing our families with our money and just p one good speech is going to win us over again? i don't think so. >> in the arab and muslim community, we've been voting for democrats far long time.

we've hosted democrats in our own homes, we've fund-raised for them, and knocked on doors for them. but at this point our money is going to our families overseas who are dying every single day and who need aid because of direct results from this administration, which she's part of. >> they're losing -- are going to put trump in the office, that's on them. that's not on us. they're distancing their -- from them. they are not listening to their constituents. it's on them. it's not on us. >> reporter: chris, let me be clear, none of our uncommitted voters said they were going to vote for donald trump. if they were not going to vote for kamala harris, it was going to be a vote for a third-party candidate. i pressed then on a donald trump presidency and what that would mean for the arab and muslim community as we saw the first time he was president. the relationship he has with prime minister benjamin netanyahu. two of them said they're willing to take that risk because of

atrocities they've seen happen in gaza and they haven't seen a permanent cease fire be called for by this administration. i will say quickly, this was different from the last time i was here in michigan. two of them, lindsey and adam, they are open to what kamala harris has to offer, essentially saying she needs to differentiate herself from president biden. she needs to call for a permanent cease fire. she's got 70 days or to earn their vote. at the end of that speech the vice president made, she said i will likely pull the lever for kamala harris. i will not stump for her, that we're seeing as a differentiation this time around than we saw when we were here during the michigan primaries, chris. >> thank you so much for that, yasmin. thanks for staying up late, we appreciate it. i've been there, it's a little groggy in the morning. victoria, you know this, the war in gaza is one of the most divisive issues in the democratic party right now, if not the most divisive. first of all, what would a cease fire mean for the harris

campaign, and what should she do if negotiators fail to reach one? i mean, always in perpetuity. you're vice president, you're running for president. that naturally calls for differentiation from the administration you serve. >> yeah, and chris, let me take a step back, in looking at the conversation that yasmin had, if you abstract out, it really is looking at the classic single issue voter. this is a group of folks who are very passionate about this issue, and they're willing to take the risk of a trump presidency because they feel so strongly about it, and some of them do not yet feel that kamala harris is in the right place. that being said, there is still a little bit of time. there's still a little bit of time both in terms of godding with -- god willing, there is a cease fire. but the other piece is deeper engagement with these potential voters about unpacking what a

kamala harris administration would mean for foreign policy. it would mean for gaza. so that's really where the on the ground surrogates -- and at the macro level it's reminding of what a donald trump presidency would be. we can say it in a focus group, but when you start to see the clips, when you're reminded of the tangible things he did, that is also going to potentially play a powerful role with those uncommitted voters. there are some folks that are that single issue and nothing is going to budge them. >> what in your experience, how broad is the true single issue voter? even among lots of people who vote, for example, on reproductive rights, they will tell you it's not the only thing that they vote on. they vote on the economy, whatever it is that they vote on, but is this could be a differentiator, enough, do you think, to be a differentiator in a state like michigan? >> well, the key is where, right? so in michigan, this is where it really matters. if we were in a california or a texas, not so much.

so it's really about that contextual piece, but to your point, chris, you're absolutely right. the single issue voter is a bit of an exaggeration. let's call them the dominant issue voter. so i think that in reaching these voters and if you're the kamala harris campaign, when you're engaing with them, you want to provide them a portfolio. you want to provide them a package of other things that could potentially connect with them. there's always going to be those few that just won't budge. i think it's the piecemeal reminding them what a trump presidency would be, what other things that affect them day-to-day, price of gas, price of bread affect them in trying to get them to that yes vote. >> victoria defrancesco soto, thank you, my friend. appreciate it. the time has come, that is the strongest signal yet that the fed is set to cut rates. what that could mean for voters and the economy ahead of november. then later, more on the dnc's emotional focus on gun violence with a spotlight on survivors. that moment included teachers,

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interest rates. i want to bring in business correspondent christine romans. stuart stevens is author of "it was all a lie" and chief strategist for mitt romney's 2012 campaign as well as senior adviser for the lincoln project. good to see you both. the markets were expecting an interest rate cut next month. now jerome powell says people say he's signaling. >> there's a real transition happening here from the fed keeping interest rates at 23-year highs to kill inflation. we don't want the job market to get to weaken any more than it is right now. we don't know how many rate cuts that will be. we do know it will be pressure off of family budgets at a really important time after three years of these higher of higher rates. so critical timing here. i think it will become political if the trump campaign tries to make it political, if you have interest rates coming so close to an election. >> so stewart, help us with this recent nbc washington ipsos

poll. voters trusted trump more than harris on the economy by nine points, and i want to play some of what we heard from kamala harris on this issue last night. >> whether you live in a rural area, small town, or big city, and as president i will bring together labor and workers and small business owners and entrepreneurs and american companies to create jobs, to grow our economy, and to lower the cost of everyday needs like health care and housing and groceries. >> is that the way to talk to voters? i mean, i don't think there has been a presidential candidate in history who hasn't said, i'm going to make your life better. the question is, how do you sell it? >> it's interesting about who can best handle the economy. that's a classic republican stronghold. mitt romney in 2012, i think we

won that by 16 points. trump won that against biden and still lost the election. i think the number here that is balancing that, which is cares about problems that i have, cares about people like me, and that's something that the harris campaign has been winning decisively, and i think that's really where they're aiming this. i don't think that they are going to go toe to toe on this, that she's better at the economy. i think they're going to talk about the broader picture, and ultimately, i don't think that this race is going to be about the economy. i don't buy that. we're in a unique situation. i think this race is going to be about donald trump. and it's important, i think, for the harris campaign, and they seem to get this, not to fall into a trap of sort of handling this race as if it were 2012 or 2008. it's not. so i think that.

>> does that free her up from getting too much into the specifics? that's one of the big criticisms. she wants to lower drug costs, child tax credits, affordable housing. all of those, by the way, are popular. there was a you gov poll, they are strongly or somewhat supported by more than half of voters. but does she need to go deeper than she has, and she's going to do as well as she can with the economy given what you said about the prediction that voters are going to do better with the republicans? >> i think she's framing the race now. in military terms, this is going to be a shaping operation. i think they're defining donald trump by helping to define harris, and they're not putting her in a vacuum. they're contrasting them.

and all of this economic good news, and it is good news, tends to have a lagging effect. and what is positive for the democrats is that this is escalating toward the election, and i think it's going to be increasingly that way and felt more and more as we get closer to the election. >> so why -- and we're really out of time -- is that disconnect always there? the most important issue to me is the economy, and yet, when it comes down to it, they don't necessarily vote for the person who they think, at least the polls would suggest, would do best with the economy or are doing best with the economy? >> yeah, you know, there wasn't a poll that showed in 2008 hope and change was the number one issue in the country, but they made that race about hope and change, and that's what good campaigns do. you take your strength and try to make them stronger, and you take your weaknesses and work them in only enough that it

won't cost you the race. so i think that this is a very smart campaign by the harris campaign. i was very impressed with this convention. they have reclaimed patriotism. they are moving back into the middle, and i think that it's a really stark contrast of optimism versus pessimism. >> you can argue they are drinking the coolaid, and all of them said they not only thought it was probably the best run convention that they had ever been to, but also they were kind of astonished at the fact that they had so little time to put it together. maybe that's the trick. maybe you give them too much time and they over think it. i don't know. stuart stevens, always a pleasure to talk to you. christine romans, thank you. democrats making the case to rope in republicans. why one former congressman

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