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now, the 74-day sprint. the next steps for kamala harris's campaign after a big night and a big speech promising a new way forward. and a top republican acknowledges his sometimes awkward alliance with democrats to defend democracy. adam kinzinger's blistering offensive with donald trump and what he calls the suffocated soul of the gop. plus, they were only teenagers when donald trump called for them to be killed. exonerated members of the central park 5 deliver an emotional warning about what a second trump presidency could bring. and standing by for a possible third-party shakeup. is rfk junior dropping out to endorse donald trump? our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we start with kamala harris, beginning her first full day, i guess, as the official democratic nominee. she accepted the nomination on stage last night in chicago. let me go to nbc's monica alba

who is still there in the windy city. what's next for kamala harris? >> reporter: well, she told our own colleagues, chris, last night, that she feels like she's happy that she was able to deliver the speech that she remembers. -- did. now some of the real work begins, that is the emphasis from the harris campaign, though they feel they are riding a high coming out of this convention, they are not going to waste a single second now to turn to planning key campaign stops that are going to be coming up in the final few months. that will look like a stop that we expect to take place in georgia next week. remember, there had been one scrapped due to tropical storm debby. we don't think they're going to be doing anything in the immediate this weekend. they're going to take a couple of days to regroup, but then next week, we believe both the vice president and governor walz are supposed to sit down for a joint interview, their first, something harris promised would take place by the end of the

month. that leads us to labor day, the traditional kickoff and sprint to november. we believe they will be barn storming battleground states, and then the vice president will take a couple of days to really do her debate prep in earnest. we know she has started some sessions, but she'll be more focused on that. it will be really interesting to see how she casts some of the other dynamics in the race in the debate. for instance, this question of what she may talk about from the historical sense of her candidacy and what it could bring. here's a little bit of what we heard from her last night on that topic, and how she framed her personal story as one that should inspire americans. >> well, my mother had another lesson she used to teach, never let anyone tell you who you are. you show them who you are. [ cheers and applause ]

america, let us show each other and the world who we are and what we stand for. freedom, opportunity, compassion, dignity, fairness, and endless possibilities. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: chris, and in the coming weeks, we'll expect to see a couple more fundraisers as well to add to their eye popping sum already, of about $500 million in the last month or so. not just for the harris campaign, but for all of the democratic affiliated entities. we're told they are likely going to have more fundraisers all across the country to add to that, and then they'll use that kind of money to have major ad blitzes that we'll be seeing soon as well, chris. >> monica, thank you so much. well, one of the final speakers before harris took the stage at the dnc was a

republican. once seen as a rising star in his own party. nbc's ali vitali has that part of the coverage. of course, ali, i'm talking about former congressman adam kinzinger. a lot of people remember him from the january 6th committee. we have heard him go after his party before, but he really did it in a unique place last night. tell us more about it. >> reporter: look, he went after his party because the party has coalesced around one man, not an idea anymore, not the conservative principles that kinzinger himself during those remarks espoused and talked about, but instead he really roasted the members of his republican party for the way that they have organized around the cult of personality of former president donald trump, and that is who he went after in blistering terms. listen. >> donald trump is a weak man pretending to be strong. he's a perpetrator who can't stop playing the victim.

he puts on quite a show, but there is no real strength there. i've learned something about the democratic party, and i want to let my fellow republicans in on the secret, the democrats are as patriotic as us. >> reporter: so, look, chris, a lot of this is a natural outgrowth from a role that kinzinger played as one of two republicans that served on the january 6th committee. of course that was something that earned him the ire of many in his party, but it was all steeped in the foundational idea of american democracy and the peaceful transfer of power. the other thing that struck me by kinzinger is this was an appeal in prime time to any disillusioned voter that does not want to vote for trump but wants to carry the mantel of being a conservative and a republican. he created that permission structure last night, and it's something that's really

important in the larger coalition building of the kamala harris democratic party going into november. >> i want to reemphasize that point you made, they put him on in prime time. ali vitali, thank you. members of the now exonerated central park five reunited on the dnc stage to condemn donald trump. nbc's yamiche alcindor is in chicago. hey, yamiche. >> reporter: over the course of the dnc, we saw a number of speakers come out and talk about a number of issues. one really, really important moment that really, i think, stood out was when these men who were known as the central park five, now known as the exonerated five took to the stage at the dnc to talk about their experience, and also to hammer former president donald trump. take a listen to that. >> 35 years ago, my friends and i were imprisoned for a crime we did not commit. our youth was stolen from us. >> 45 wanted us unalive.

he wanted us dead. today we are exonerated because the actual perpetrator confessed, and dna proved it. that guy says he still stands by the original guilty verdict. [ crowd booing ] he dismisses the scientific evidence rather than admit he was wrong. he has never changed, and he never will. >> reporter: so you heard those men who were really incarcerated because of wrong accusations say donald trump still won't let this go. this goes hand in hand with the pointed attacks we have seen vice president harris and governor walz make against trump, that he is someone who can't be trusted. he's unqualified to be president, and he's really someone who's a danger to democracy and that he is really someone who's going to deny american freedoms, including of

course to these men who have been exonerated from this crime but who donald trump put out an ad saying they should be executed at the time of the attack, and who now continues to lie and say they are still guilty, which of course they are not. they have been exonerated. we can't say that enough. it was a really striking moment. there were a lot of speakers, but this was one that stood out. back to you. >> yamiche alcindor, thank you for that. any minute now we're expecting to hear from rfk jr. on the future of his presidential campaign. nbc's dasha burns is live in phoenix for us. dasha, what are we expecting? >> reporter: look, chris, the sources i have been talking to say nothing is final until it's final, but we expect rfk jr. to announce he's suspending his campaign. he is planning to endorse president trump. why does this matter? this is a third-party candidate

who was polling in the double digits at one point. since harris has entered the race, he's down to 4 or 5%, and our nbc news polling shows that republicans view him favorably. democrats, independents, view him negatively. that means that the people that support rfk right now are likely leaning republican and could throw their support behind former president trump, which could give him a small boostment that could be a big deal, chris, in a race where we expect the margins to be so tight. that's why former president trump has been out there, really kind of excited about the possibility. listen. >> i have always been friendly with him, i have a lot of respect for him. i think he respects me. we have had a good relationship for a long time. if he were going to endorse me, i would consider it a great honor. i think we're leading now in the polls, we're leading in the swing states, a couple of great polls came out just now, but i would love to have his endorsement. that would be a great honor.

>> reporter: of course just a few months ago, former president trump was calling him a radical left lunatic. tone has obviously changed and donald trump jr. has been advocating for a potential cabinet position for rfk jr. >> i know you're going to continue to monitor the event. we'll check with you later in the hour. thank you for that. in 90 seconds, the pitch for normalcy, harris uses the most consequential speech of her career to convince voters she's just like them. and nothing like trump. . in many ways, donald trump is an unserious man. but the consequences -- but the consequences of putting donald trump back in the white house are extremely serious. exemtrely. f businesses... so my tech and my network need to keep up. thank you, verizon business. (kevin) now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. (aaron) so whatever's next... we're cooking with fire. (vo) switch to the partner businesses rely on.

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a sentence. >> then you say lala. >> put it together, and it's kamala. >> it was the highlight of the night, clever, endearing, generally, harris hasn't focused on narratives surrounding her identity and race. highlighting instead that voters should see themselves in her. as "the new york times" puts it, an embodiment of traditional values, instead of a rejection of them. joining me now, professor at fordham university, and author of "black ethics," christina career. and contributing critic at large for the "new york times," love having both of you here. so, christina, honestly i could play that in a loop, that was an amazing moment. but kamala harris wants voters to see themselves in her. donald trump's appeal was different for the vast majority, a lot of people were taken in,

he's rich, he's brash, he says what he thinks. his wife is a super model my question is do americans really want someone like them? >> the difference, though, is chris, is donald trump had been in our living rooms and homes for a good 40 years before he ran for the presidency. he had a head start, and he was aspirational in a lot of ways. what kamala harris is doing is the descriptive piece is there. she's not leaning into, say, hillary clinton 2016 and talking about possibly being the first female president, even though other democracies of our ilk have had female leaders, she's going with the substantiative representation, the values of america, the diverse backgrounds that so many of us have, and also the policy prescriptions that have been quite popular with millions upon millions of americans, whether it's reproductive right to choose, caring about the environment, creating real jobs, the list goes on and on. in doing so, she's not only linking herself to the larger section of the american public,

she's showing how different and out of touch donald trump is. >> many of the delegates were dressed in suffrage white. i went to the top of the convention hall and it looked like a full sea of white. harris, you saw her in a dark power suit. she also, by the way, didn't make reference in her speech to how she could make history if she wins as a woman of color. i wonder what you make of those things. i wonder what you make of the way she's presenting herself and letting in some ways, other people talk about how history would be made here? >> yeah, i was there last night, too, and i was wearing electric blue, so i felt a little bit out of place with the sea of white outfits that i saw before me. but i actually think that what she's doing is a mark of progress, right, so that this convention over the last four days, there were so many mentions of those who have paved a path for her, right, so whether it's al sharpton

mentioning shirley chism yesterday or if it was barack obama actually being there. hillary clinton, geraldine ferrara being mentioned by hillary clinton. and i think she's a beneficiary of the people whose identity was both targeted, critiqued as they were doing this work, and then she's also able not to lead with that because she doesn't have to. she's already visibly an african-american woman as well as a south asian woman, forefront in so many ways, and so she's benefitting from the past movements as well as saying today our multiracial america is the america that we have before us, and i hope to lead. >> and, again, it's anecdotal, but i did talk to an awful lot of delegates, mostly women delegates, to be honest with you. it didn't matter if they were

black or white, their ethnicity at all, there was so much emotion in the room, part of it was residual, hillary clinton, the idea of a woman, and the idea that more than one barrier could be in play at a time. >> my oldest daughter, her very first vote was for barack obama, and now she has her very first daughter, who has met kamala harris, been in her social media videos and for her, my granddaughter, this is the norm. this is her norm. we're going to break every ceiling, we're going to win in nevada because we're a battle born, battle driven state, not just for my grandchildren but for everyone. this is what america is supposed to be. >> but for me to watch a black woman get nominated as our first black woman, she's going to be the first black woman to be president. i'm the first black woman to be the chair of this party in michigan, and there's a sisterhood of us, and i think that as we plow through all of

these firsts, i'm excited about this one for us and for our country. >> you know, christina, that point that you're in a world where a young woman only knows a world where a black man has been president, where frankly, the two arguably the most well received people on the stage were oprah winfrey and michelle obama, incredible orders and now, you may see kamala harris being president of the united states. give us some context to what you heard from those women. >> we're still in an era of firsts, chris, we have yet to have a black female governor in the history of the united states. we only have two black female senators, kamala harris in 2016, so we've come a lopg way. we're going a way, and we have

long way to go. democrats have done well with the popular vote in the elections but it's the electoral college that matters. if we're looking at the data, chairs has a really steep hill to climb. there's a lot of excitement, but a lot of work has to be done and the data has shown, white women do not vote for the democratic party nominee. they have done so twice many modern history, 1964, and 1996. black men are immune for the republican party, but that does not stand for other racial and ethnic groups. white folks do not vote for the democratic party candidate. that excitement that was in the room is going to take a lot of heavy lifting from a lot of excited delegates and voters to explain the importance of the election, the importance of the future of american democracy if kamala harris is going to be effective on november 4th. >> the questions i got from delegates were political. what have you heard, is beyonce

coming. beyonce didn't show, but i'm sure you noticed that at one point, one of her songs came on from the d.j. and people were like, is she going to walk out. let's talk about freedom, that is the song that's associated with kamala harris and her campaign. i know you look deeper into the meaning of her using that song. what did you find? >> and i also have a piece coming out in 30 seconds on the "new york times" about the fact that she wasn't there, and what that means of a sobering reality of a political campaign that in many ways is demanding that we work hard for democracy. so "freedom" as a song and a theme for this campaign is clear and forefront, but i was interested in using beyonce's song as one in which, you know, the song itself comes out of the black lives matter movement. she's paying homage to the mothers of black men and black boys who were killed by police officers, so to have a song

about freedom in which you're still kind of demanding full citizenship for african-americans and freedom from violence as the basis of your campaign song is a really expansive notion of freedom, and i think that what our vice president is doing is invoking this really recent song and this history of beyonce and what she's doing for us, but also tying it to other political movements, whether it's "think," and aretha franklin, she's singing freedom, and you think about the black power movement or you think of another song, like "i wish i knew how it feels to be free" from the civil rights movement. i think this song is of the moment and speak to go a larger vision of freedom that the campaign is putting forth. again, it's building on prior social justice movements in which freedom is something that is being hard fought for by different groups in this country. >> i'm hitting refresh on the "new york times" web site. i'm looking forward to reading

that. >> my editor is like, it's coming. >> christina greer, salamisha tilla, thank you very much, it's great having you on the show. still ahead, the big party work begins after a little partying. >> what are you going to bring home from these four days? >> go vote. go vote. we're going to go and canvas and tell everybody to vote. knock on doors, get people out to vote. we're going to energize the party, let people know, you got to get out and vote. you got to make it happen. e it . (aaron) i own a lot of businesses... so my tech and my network need to keep up. thank you, verizon business. (kevin) now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. (aaron) so whatever's next... we're cooking with fire. (vo) switch to the partner businesses rely on.

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for all the big names at the dnc, you know, michelle, oprah, barack, bill, all the stars, pink, stevie wonder, eva longoria, kerry washington, the real democratic power brokers are headed to a crowded o'hare airport, the delegates heading home and heading back to the final two and a half months of kamala harris's campaign, inspired, determined, and they told me, ready to roll up their sleeves. >> the excitement, the hype, the electrifying does not end at this commission. it has to go back home. >> we are going to turn out south carolina. >> south carolina is just waiting for a blue wave to ride through, and we're ready to help it ride. >> how we win nevada is our grounding. it's second to none. this election cycle started a year and a half ago for us. we have 12 offices statewide.

we have over 100 employees on the ground doing the work. we are in every community, every neighborhood, and as chair, i did a statewide tour just a few weeks ago. >> we're going to knock on doors, talk to voters, and we're going to get the independents out as well as our base. >> do you have enough of a ground game to do that? >> we have a major ground game in michigan. >> we're in good shape. we've got a great group of folks. we've got offices open all over the state. we've got over 200 staff on the ground already, and we're still hiring so we need to grow even more. we've got the folks we need, and we've got so many good volunteers who have stepped up to say they want to help, folks who have never done anything with us before, how can i help, what can i do? people are sending money, donating, we've got what we need, can we get this done. >> can you win georgia? >> absolutely. >> i'm also taking home the ability to do something like michelle obama said earlier this week. i want to be able to go back home, rally up the troops and get them encouraged to get out

and vote but also to get involved in the campaign. >> i'm going to knock on doors, get voters registered, i'm going to send text messages, and phone bank. i'm going to do as much as i can until the november election to ensure that kamala harris is our next president. >> you're nodding. >> yeah, no, monica and i are both from delaware county, pennsylvania. it's a big, important county in pennsylvania for turnout for vice president harris and governor walz, and we're already seeing an up tick in volunteers ever since vice president harris became the candidate. >> i feel good. we've had 40,000 people register with the democratic party to volunteer since her elevation. we have about 20 offices open across pennsylvania. for contrast, the republicans have one. we have triple the staff that we had before. this morning our campaign manager said the largest operation that they have is in pennsylvania. >> i'm a county commissioner. in november i won my election, flipping the county for the first time since the civil war

from red to blue. and that's a county that's going to be critical for this election. >> i said i'm going to come to chicago and take all the energy from here, and i'm going to take it back and inject it in wisconsin. we're going to do the work, which means going out and talking to voters telling them what kamala harris stands for and earn their vote. >> what did you learn here, experience here that you think might equip you better to do it than before you came? >> i learned about tim walz. actually i traded my cheese head to somebody else. hey, let me borrow your cheese head. hey, california's got nothing on us. we've got better cheese in wisconsin. >> joining me now is someone who is working to engage young voters ahead of the election, antonio arelano, vice president of communications for next gen america. that's the nation's leading youth voting organization.

your organization is actually doing a campus tour right now, i understand. so how do you do this? how do you figure out where to go? how do you get maximum impact? take us a little bit behind the scenes of this effort. >> absolutely. so good to be with you, chris, at next gen america, we recognize that this election cycle, the margin of victory lies within the youth vote, and that's exactly why we are ready to mobilize young voters on college campuses, universities across the country. at next gen, we believe that democracy lives on college campuses, and that's why we're mobilizing over 200 field staffers to register young voters as they make their way back to college campuses. this welcome week activation is going to touch over a hundred college campuses with many of them being community colleges, historically black colleges, hispanic institutions across eight key states, including pennsylvania, michigan, and north carolina where we know these young people have the potential to not just elect the

next president, but also make some major impact in gubernatorial races and all the way down ballot. at next gen, we are making sure they're coming into the electoral and civic engagement process in an exciting way. >> i know it's early but i wonder if you're getting some initial feedback? how is it going so far? >> it's going great. pennsylvania, over a thousand voters registered in one week alone. in houston, 600 registered last week as well. we're seeing increased momentum, enthusiasm. young voters know that every major change in this country has been led by young people, and in this moment, they're stepping up to the plate because there's so much on the line. >> so as you know, i don't have to tell you, but i'll say it anyway, registering is the first step. then you have to actually get them to the polls. you have to give them a reason to do it. i know the president of your organization brought up this idea that if you're 18 years old now, you were only 10 when

donald trump was elected. how do you effectively educate young people who literally don't remember donald trump as president or at least in the specifics? >> there's a big learning curve associated with the youth vote. no doubt about it. young voters that are coming in, first time voters, like you mentioned were 8, 10, 12 years old when donald trump was elected in 2016, so we're making an effort, a concerted effort to make sure that they are ready and equipped to make educated decisions. we're making it exciting. we're injecting enthusiasm into the process by having events like free espresso, tapping into sabrina carpenter's success of her hit song, and engaging people in states like arizona. we talk about your vote with tacos, and make sure we're engaging young people in a lot of different ways. we're connecting with them online, digitally, through influencers and content creators, tapping into the digital apparatus to mobilize the digital generation, we're

leaving no stone unturned. >> antonio arelano, we'll check in with you. i'll be curious how it's going as we get closer to the election day. thank you very much for coming on the show. >> thank you. still ahead, raw emotion as gabby giffords and other survivors of gun violence make the case for kamala harris. >> my friend kamala will be a great president. she is tough, she has grit. kamala can beat the gun lobby. b. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need, and the flavor you love. so, here's to now... now available: boost max! (aaron) i own a lot of businesses... so my tech and my network need to keep up. so, here's to now... thank you, verizon business. (kevin) now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. (aaron) so whatever's next... we're cooking with fire. (vo) switch to the partner businesses rely on.

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kamala harris says there are many freedoms at stake in this election, including the freedom to live safely, apart from gun violence. on the dnc's final night, survivors and their family members touched by shootings, including sandy hook and uvalde shared really powerful stories. that included former congresswoman gabrielle giffords who is still recovering 13 years after being shot while meeting with constituents. >> for five years i served in congress from a swing district. everybody called me a rising star. then on january 8th, 2011, a man tried to assassination me. he shot 19 people. he killed six. terrible, terrible day. i almost died. but i fought for my life and i

survived. >> the party's platform includes in its list of priorities universal background checks, a ban on assault weapons and high capacity magazines, a requirement for safe gun storage and a national red flag law, but with a deeply divided congress and country, can any of that get past? let me bring in joseph crowley who served with gabby giffords. good to see you again. you know gabby on a personal level. i wonder what it was like for you to see and hear her on that stage. first of all, i covered the shooting. many people did think for days that she might not make it, and the fact that she's out there, that she's speaking the way she is, that she's advocating the way she is is pretty inspirational, but what did you make of her appearance last night? >> first, chris, let me tell

you, it was wonderful to see her at the convention itself. i had a moment to speak with her and to mark, senator mark kelly. i was overjoyed to see her. i was the first democrat in the house to endorse her in our first primary. we went way back. and to see her last night, the quality of her speech itself has improved so, so much, and how joyful we are, i think, as people who know her personally, but even, i think, generally in america, people are proud to see how much she has advanced, in terms of her speech and every other aspect of her life, and the quality of her life. here's someone who was almost assassinated and taken from us. i remember that day very clearly and how upset i was watching it from my living room as it was unfolding over the air, and you were covering it. i think it really brought home to all of us not only do i know

gabby, i know lucy mcbeth, how close we are to people who have been directly assaulted or know someone who has been killed or assaulted by weapons. i think tippi toeing around gun control is over. we have to address this. it is a national health crisis. gabby giffords knows it. i think republicans and independents understand that as well. >> so even if kamala harris is elected, as you know, she won't be able to do it alone. that's what barack obama found out after 26 people, including 20 little kids were murdered at sandy hook elementary school, it's going to take a willing congress, knowing the numbers, the polling, the overwhelming support for voters, for what's been called common sense reform, the things she talks about, background checks, outlawing weapons of war on our streets. why hasn't it happened, and do

you think it can? >> i think if democrats are fortunate enough. there was a lot of talk about a special guest at the convention. it seems to me the special guest at the convention was enthusiasm. we have that right now. that in and of itself won't lead us to victory. we need to win back the house of representatives. we saw what nancy pelosi and her leadership team were able to do were very narrow majority in getting across biden's legislation, whether it was infrastructure or the chips act. it was incredible how effective democrats were within the majority. the real question is will we find any republicans in the senate? we don't suspect many in the house will be supportive of this. for reasonable gun control for the background checks, for other really common sense things that we need to do, secure these weapons, make sure they cannot be used or abused, red flag

laws, et cetera, mental health help, all of those things need to be done to secure the lives of our children and grandchildren. you know, it's something that we all think about every day now, whether it's not only in grammar school or middle school or high school but on a college campus as well, and beyond. this needs to end. >> former congressman joseph crowley, always great to see you. >> great to see you at the convention too. >> great to see you as well. we were ships passing in the night in the hallway. >> still ahead, we'll go back live to phoenix where sources say, and we are now are getting some filings that suggest that rfk jr. will announce he's dropping out of the race and endorsing donald trump. is there also something in it for him? mething in it for m?hi (aaron) i own a lot of businesses... so my tech and my network need to keep up. thank you, verizon business. (kevin) now our businesses get fast and reliable internet from the same network that powers our phones. (aaron) so whatever's next... we're cooking with fire. (vo) switch to the partner businesses rely on.

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is this going to make a difference as to what ultimately happens in november? could it? >> it definitely could. i'm certainly not a poster, but i listen to steve kornacki, and i heard him crunch some of the numbers. i thought he did a great job. one of the things he pointed out is there were a lot of double haters who had gone to kennedy. he had that kind of support. people who were supporting bob by kennedy, but the people in that camp had peeled off towards harris. so now, there's a core group left that may go to trump. you know, i'm not a pollster. i sort of believe when somebody drops out of the race, individuals make their own decision. but he's certainly deciding to back trumpers, and it's significant for trump, and it could mean some momentum depending on how you view bobby kennedy, he's a bit of a crank candidate, and other people are supporting him. it could be viewed in that way in trump's world and among

people looking at supporting donald trump. >> jonathan, to be honest, in the recent "washington post" poll, rfk had 5% of the vote. now, again, people may not be intensively looking at the campaign. that's certainly enough to swing a campaign this close, as you can see. i had to think as i was first looking at that picture if it was enough to make a difference in this campaign or even if it isn't, what the kennedy family must be thinking about these plans? >> well, they're appalled by it. i saw a couple of kennedys at the democratic convention in chicago. they're very upset. bobby kennedy spent part of his career as an environmentalist. donald trump would cut the environmental protection agency. bobby kennedy says he's a supporter of children's health. donald trump would gut and slash funding for children's health.

so this is a piece of very irrational, erratic, cranked candidate, the same guy who not just brought up the bear cub in central park, but went to a dog meat, a story i personally confirmed. he lied about it, but he did actually have a barbecued dog. just all kinds of -- brain worm. we could go on and on about how strange a candidate this guy is. my own sense is that a certain number of his supporters will not go to trump. they'll go to the couch. they simply won't vote. >> you know, the anti-vaccine thing, suzanne, didn't stop him from getting 5%, and some of the other things that obviously jonathan just said, the dead bear cub, which he at one point, i don't know if it was a joke or not, might have been the reason he got a brain worm, but does it seem like if this ending was in

some ways, sue, inevitable? >> i think it was. i have been covering him since last year, and there was a feeling was going to peter out. on two things, there was a number of news stories very negative. the bear cub was last. you couldn't make that story up, it was so crazy. but then secondly, when you have all of that stuff coming at you, you need money. campaigns need money, and he was just running out of it. and his campaign in the final days, not even days, in the final month or two, became an effort simply for ballot access. all of the efforts were going into trying to get him on the ballot. he wasn't giving a lot of speeches, and he was running out of money, and he faced that lawsuit in new york where his residency was challenged. he was claiming to be a resident of new york even though i think

anybody who knows pretty much anything about him knows he moved to california. he's living with cheryl lines, a well-known actress, and it was decided that his claim that he was living in new york was a sham, and that affects him on a number of fronts. it means that he would have had big problems being on the ballot in california for various constitutional republicans, and then secondly, that gave the people who were challenging him in new york just the opportunity to go and challenge him in other states. and there was going to be a number of legal challenges, and no money was coming in. i think this was inevitable. so the question is, what now? he is endorsing trump, and you know, he's angling, i understand, and there's been courting from a number of people including my colleagues at "the new york times" that he may be looking for a cabinet post for health and human services or an advisory position. he has talked to trump about this before. i think that's where kind of the

next steps we're be watching for. >> he has been talking for a little while. he has not said the words that he is dropping out. a filing suggests that that's what's going to happen. we'll keep our eye on that. suzanne craig, jonathan alter, thank you so much. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday from 1 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" next. ontinue "katy tur reports" next. let's get started. bill, where's your mask? i really tried sleeping with it, everybody. now i sleep with inspire. inspire? no mask?

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