down the ramp, just like going to the cement. >> she gamely showed us the spot where she looked death in the eye and stroke back. this was not an easy thing to do. >> i'm just taking it all in right now. >> i think you are a tough cookie, right. >> that is what a lot of people say. i guess so. >> and dirty john meehan is an ever more distant memory now. his trail of victims safe from his terror, thanks to a young woman and a little dog who fought for her life and won. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm andrea canning, thanks for watching. watching. good morning, welcome to the saturday edition of

"morning joe weekend." it was a busy week in politics, let's get right to it. some of the conversations you might have missed. might have m. >> let me finish with this, team. it is the fourth quarter. we are down a field goal, but we are on offense, and we got the ball. we are driving down the field. and boy, do we have the right team. kamala harris is tough. kamala harris is experienced, and kamala harris is ready. our job, our job, our job for everyone watching, is to get in the trenches and do the blocking and tackling, one inch at a time. one yard at a time, one phone call at a time, one door knock at a time. one $5

donation at a time. >> honestly, we say this i feel like every night, john, just the enthusiasm in this building cannot be manufactured. the star power in this building. i'm not just talking about opera gave a rousing speech that was something of a surprise until yesterday, but just the lineup of democrats, the young democrats, the youthful energy projected, whether it is governor wes moore, josh shapiro, pete buttigieg, and a nod to bill clinton as well. >> and bill clinton has still got it. he spoke last night, rewrote his speech monday, said, he had been moved by the joy in the room and felt like he needed a different approach. he talks slower than he used to, by his own admission, but he captivated. they were spellbound by his remarks and

in classic defense, he went way over his allotted time, but he laid out a forceful argument for kamala harris, and again sort of belittled donald trump and talked about how trump, in a way that ultimately said, donald trump only focuses on himself. listen to how he speaks about himself. everything is about himself when trump gives his remarks. we have former house speaker nancy pelosi who spoke. we were discussing at the end of the last one, she was at the face of the moved to push past president biden. it seems like those riffs have largely healed here. this is a party that is unified, focused around the vice presidents, and i'll governor walz, who forced the capstone last night. every time i see the clip of his son tearing up and sing, that is my dad, it gets me. there was real emotional there. they lean in heavy to the coach walls motif. the salute to the former defensive coordinator and the state championship team, and the banners, besides you can see in the crowd also saying coach walz. >> 1999 state champs, joe.

>> the big, meaty line. [ laughter ] >> joe, what i will also say was interesting to watch, how this party, especially last night, was leaning into issues that many will proceed as vulnerabilities. i'm talking about immigration. chris murphy, one of the co- authors of the legislation donald trump killed, along with james from oklahoma, the republican there, came out and said, we worked hard for months and months, and months. we got the deal did republicans wanted, we presented it to them and donald trump came in and killed the bill. kamala harris said, that bill, when i became president, going hard, very interesting here this is an issue donald trump thinks he has. and the democrats said, actually, you killed that bill, we will be on the defense about

immigration. >> this is a different type of democratic party than the type i ran against. they were always very easy to go after, sort of run around in circles, for the war before they were against the war, they were this, they were this. you take an issue they were nervous about and they would run away from it. they would be just easy, easy to run against them. now, they are doing exactly what you're supposed to do, take the issues you are weekend, make it your strength and go straight at them. it is hard to beat them. i will say, tim, when you use to run against democratic parties, it was the old substance cartoons, they had republican conventions and held the banners and said, we don't care about people. and they go to the democratic convention and they have the banners that said, we can't run things. and this is a democratic party, i mean just ruthlessly efficient . i have not seen a convention night, after night, after night that set it up this well. this

is not a democratic party you and i are used to seeing. >> know. the way they co-opted these traditional republican themes, they had republican values, republican themes last night, talking about the freedom, but last night was much more than that. the patriotism, the usa placards, the chance at the usa convention and the republican convention, i think there was more current mission of god and the bible. started a lot of speeches like hakeem jeffries, opera, tim walz. patriotism, talking about the olympic team. the republicans complaining there were drag queens in the opening ceremonies of the olympics. the democrats were like, we love our oolitic euros! yay! a very american heartland, thematically. that was obviously very savvy, sometimes democrats in the past were uncomfortable with and ran away from, not last night. >> they always were uncomfortable about it. if somebody started a u.s. a

chance at a democratic crowd he would turn around and look at them, what are you doing? what? now, you are exactly right. there is a reason too. this is not short of faux patriotism. it is because donald trump has opened the door. when donald trump brags about saying, america sucks for me when he brags about saying, america is in decline for me when he brags about saying that america is a stupid place, well, we have a lot to be proud of as americans. >> i've always believed that, i love this country, i am proud of this country, most americans feel the way i do about america. when you have one party that is actually attacking america all the time, then yeah, i'm going to hold the usa placards up and go, usa, usa, usa. and it works. it is the same thing with immigration. they killed the toughest immigration bill in history that james langford wrote. and so, this is working because it is true. and the democrats

are showing bravery. they are leaning into issues. they brought in last night, one of the most emotional moments, the parents of hostages, talking about basically, and in the most empathetic way saying to me there is agony on both sides and we need to bring them home, talking about this is not a political issue, it is a humanitarian issue. you contrast that with donald trump trying to get jews against each other, and as you said, leaning into the issues that are even challenging for them, an entire night of freedom and joy, and joy and freedom, boy, i would not want to be running against those immigrants now. >> we will have more on this historic, democratic convention right after the break. the brea.

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whine and complain, we put our heads down and we get to work. 75 days and a wake up to build a future that those who came before us hoped for, and those who come after us, that they deserve, and 75 days and a wake up to elect a leader who is willing to believe in the best of us, and that leader is kamala harris, the next president of the united states. as maryland governor westmore speaking last night at the united center, speaking of vice president kamala harris. and governor wes moore joins us now. governor, good to see you. can we talk first about just the vibe in this place over the last week and over the last month really of this campaign and how things quite frankly have changed?

there was a talk after the debate, should joe biden stay, should he get out of the race, a lot of people thought he should stay, let's hang in with him and see if we can get him across the finish line, just that energy has changed in the party. you felt up close last night. >> i think what this energy is is an energy to win. there is a difference. there is a difference between folks who actually see and believe that victory is within reach. because it also means you have folks here who are ready to do the work. the great thing about being here right now is not just the rallies are great, and the energy is wonderful, and things are really loud, it is the fact that these are all people who will now be going back to indiana, and mississippi, and missouri, and maryland, and who are ready to put in the work. that is the thing you want to see coming in, especially when we only have now 74 days and a wake up. >> one of the things that is noticeable, we are looking at these usa signs in the photos and we have been talking about

this week, patriotism. you have kind of been at the forefront of that, going back to your campaign saying, republicans don't own patriotism, just because you got a bigger flag and you waive it in the back of your truck or put a sticker on your truck, it is about in value embodying the values of the country, 32nd airborne. how important is that to you and to this party to talk about patriotism in a different way? >> i think there is a real danger that we as democrats are shying away from, being afraid to put the american flag in your yard, a fear of saying, i am a very proud american. because nothing i wanted people to know is me saying i am a proud american, and i love my country, i love this flag, i have fought for it and i will fight for it the rest of my life i think is the world's greatest experiment. i also know this, that does not mean i am naove. that is not mean i'm ignoring our history. our history has been very uneven

, i get that. the thing i wanted to speak to last night were the skeptics. the people that say, how can you love america if x, or how can you love america is i? i'm not asking you to parking lot your skepticism or measure of skin cynicism you might have. all i am saying is, bring that skepticism with you, but let that skepticism be your companion for me and not your factor. don't let it remove you from the process. let it actually be your fuel to continue making this great american experiment better. that is patriotism. people are willing to sacrifice for a better america, the people left to defend america, regardless of what their family lineage might be, that is the beauty of what makes america so special. i think it immigrants, it is not just a smart, political thing to do, it is the right, moral thing. we love this country, fight for it. >> last night was tim walz's night. we know him as a teacher, you know him as a federal governor. tell us about your expense

working with him and tell us what he adds to the ticket. >> i love this dude. the thing about tim walz is, what you see is what you get. there is no errors with him. this is not performative. he does not get up there and put on a show. he is coach walz, whether he is in a back room, or he is on a big stage. one of the things i have always loved about him, not just his military service, and this guy is a 24 year military veteran. rose to the rank of sergeant major, which less than 1% of people do. i mean as president biden was going through what he wanted to do, i was having very in depth and deep conversations with tim walz, and he was having very deep, in-depth conversations with president biden 30 would always sit there and say, our job is to stick and be loyal, making sure we are pushing forward the right agenda for the country, keep the country first in this. i love him for that and i will stand with him always. i think he is going to be a

remarkable vice president. >> we saw last night, this party has fallen in love the last couple of weeks with walz. governor moore said, you saw it before a lot of people did, which is this is a guy that could help the ticket and help the country. >> these governors are so amazing. there are so many. what a great groundbreaking bench the democrats have when you look at california, maryland, governor wes moore, your speech was amazing last night, josh shapiro, everything he brings to the table in north carolina, massachusetts, the great maura healey as the first openly get gay female governor. and it just does not make any sense to me that donald trump would go after a swing state governor, a state he needs to win at a time when it looks like his chances could be in jeopardy. >> donald trump sent out an offensive tweet about josh shapiro, calling him the highly overrated jewish governor. not just saying highly overrated black governor. he throws out these anti-semitic

tropes and saying, is not good for israel. i am so tired of donald trump trying to divide jews. 75% of jewish people traditionally vote democrat. i think they will hit it even further this time. it is violent, anti-semitic, and i get offended as a jewish person. let me go to you, wes, congratulations on your success, my friend. you are one of the stars , the future of this party. you are out there. are you feeling that the electorate is tired of the negativity, and tired of the name-calling? the very thing that has happened at the democratic convention, the joy, excitement, the exuberance, that is what people want across the aisle. >> i think this country, by its nature, is a hopeful country. i think this country is a country that understands the power, that there is a healing power to american democracy. when you look at the origins of it, that america was founded on this idea that every two, four, or six years, depending on the

race, we have a chance to choose our fate. americans you generally choose hope. they choose optimism. they choose the thing that will lead us to our better angels. i think that is exactly what we are seeing. i think they are seeing the shell game of donald trump is very tired and very tiring. he is not a policy god, he is a vessel. he is a vessel for an ideology that believes that patriotism means separating us, and that means making america great again is telling us, who should be a part of that experiment and who should not be. donald trump is nothing more than a vessel for that. i think people are seeing that we would have a real opportunity to be able to have an economy that everyone feels a part of. we have an opportunity to have a country that is respected on a global stage. we have a chance to actually have a country that can do big, bold things and know that we need everybody involved in it. that is what the people are hoping for. i know people believe and know that donald trump is not going to get us there and he has no plan to get us there.

that is not his intention. this is an exciting moment because i think it represents what every single election represents for the american people, a choice about who we are and who we hope to be. >> governor, honestly donald trump, the immigrants, whenever he gets a chance, one of the points you made in your speech, collect tying into the collapse of the cambridge earlier this year, was the people working on that bridge, and what they saw in the promise of america. >> i remember even speaking to those families, speaking to them in spanish that first morning when we were letting these six families know that at that point it was a search and rescue mission, and it eventually turned into just a recovery mission. i think about those men often who were fixing potholes at 180 feet in the air in the middle of the night, so we could have a smoother commute in the morning, people who weren't born in this country, many who did not yet speak

english, but who believed the hope of america was big enough for the hopes of their families too. one of the things we actually did in the wake of the collapse of the key bridge, we actually established a scholarship for their children to make sure that their families and their children knew that we appreciate it their loved ones, their fathers, their brothers, their uncles, their cousins. we appreciated their service. we appreciated their love of country and community and we were going to make sure that they were going not going to be forgotten or left behind. >> mayor, governor wes moore, who has served this country i think since he was 14 years old, we appreciate you, governor , thank you very much. coming up, michelle and barack obama electrified the national convention this week. the top moments from their speeches, next. speeches, next. when you're a small business owner, your to-do list can be...a lot.

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i want to know, who's going to tell him that the job he's currently seeking might just be one of those black jobs? he killed a bipartisan immigration deal, written in part by one of the most conservative republicans in congress, that would have

helped secure our southern border, because he thought trying to actually solve the problem would hurt his campaign . he doesn't-- do not boo, vote. whether you are a democrat, or a republican, or somewhere in between, we have all had people like that in our lives, people like an's parents, who crossed oceans, because they believed in the promise of america. people like tim's parents, who taught him about the importance of service. good, hard-working people, who weren't famous or powerful, but who managed in countless ways to leave this country just a little bit better than they found it. as much if any policy or program,

i believe that is what we are here for. a return to america where we work together and look out for each other. a restoration of what lincoln called, on the eve of civil war, our bonds of affection. an america that taps what he called , the better angels of our nation. that is what this election is about. >> so, your thoughts on first of all, the obamas primetime speech? >> i think michelle obama has gotten to that wonderful age, mika, you will understand, of women who get to a certain age and they don't care anymore.

they have had so much thrown at them and she has had a lifetime in the paris political arena of political attacks and she was going to say what she thought. she delivered it brilliantly. she had some humor, but she was fighting and she encouraged everyone else to fight as well. there is a reason you have millions, and millions of americans, and can i say as well, people around the world, wishing that michelle obama would run for president. she is not going to, but she is so good and she has gotten better and better. i got that sense in her when she delivered those lines about, the things she said that he did not like successful people who happened to be black, probably what she has wanted to say in public for many years, and held back by being first lady, or her husband's career, and now she can say it. at a stage in her life where she can say what she wants. >> i will say, caddie, jonathan, and everybody else around the table, i think michelle obama may have reached that age at like 15. [ laughter ] i don't think

she's ever gone, speak out, oh no. >> in 2008, she was sometimes nervous about the way she would be perceived if she spoke out too forcefully. i remember her saying that, she could not say what she wanted. here she is. >> to your point, joe, i interviewed her when barack obama was running the first time just onto the national stage and she said, we are not going to change for people. we are not doing that. we are coming in and we are staying who we are. that is going to have to work. if it doesn't, it doesn't. >> i remember she also said to you, you've got one shot at this. you want us, we are here, you don't want us, we are going home. i do think john, like we said last hour, one of the things that make their speeches so powerful, michelle obama's speech so powerful, barack obama's speech so powerful, not only are they extraordinary at delivering addresses, but also,

again, they don't get out much, as far as in the political fray . people are always frustrated. they want them to get out and do more, earlier, more often. here, you see it last night, wisely, they choose their moments. they pick their spots, and it makes a huge difference. >> precisely. i was talking to some obama aides before the speeches. they make the point, michelle obama makes a speech once every four years. she delivers a convention speech, it is a blockbuster, and she steps offstage again. barack obama, of course, does more than that and he may anticipate the other road to kamala years this october. sort of the closer, if you will, for democrats. their words carry so much weight because we don't hear them often. i was on the whole last night on the floor, it was a rapturous response. we were frankly where barack obama was perhaps upstaged by

someone else, as michelle obama was just so good. perhaps, the two best for the democratic party share the same last night, in the same household. very striking in 2016 when michelle obama very famously said, with a go low, we high. last night, she could've said, when they go low, the hell with that, and really took it to that, and did so in a way, a very personal way about , you could see her own visceral dislike of donald trump. also talking to democrats, talking to american saying, we are better than this. let's start believing in hope again. >> yeah. when i heard michelle obama, for a minute i thought, did democrats elect the wrong obama? then, when you hear barack, he is such a gifted orator. i agree, there were so many moments in michelle's speech, where i really did think, she hits so many important points and she is such a private

person. we know them to be very private, one of the reasons we know she will never run for president. she brought in a lot of her personal life here she said, she had her children through ivf. that was the throwaway line, but that was very meaningful. she obviously brought that up because of the republican attacks on ivf. i thought that was really important. she talked about mother's, and her mother, and harris's mother . i thought that was also extremely important through line that i thought was really meaningful. >> david me just to watch the extraordinary enthusiasm, and excitement in that room, you can't help but think, was a different convention this would have been had he made the decision to stay in the race. we probably would not have seen the loud screams and cheers we are seeing right now.

>> no, we wouldn't. the convention under biden under that debate in late june was going to be a wake. not an irish wake. it was doom and gloom. one of the things i've noticed recovering democrats over the past month, it has just been a month. they believe again. it does not mean they are going to win when you look at polling , donald trump still has a lot of staying power on key issues, whether it is border security or the economy. he still leaves the vice president, even though she leaves him in so many horserace polls now. but it reminds me, and i love sports analogies when it comes to politics, because they are so apropos. when a team is down and they come roaring back, and now they are down two, 02, tied, and they have got all that momentum on the other side can't understand how this happened. it reminds me a little of 2016, from the reverse when i would interview democrats and watch them at political rallies. they had this look and sound of, i can't believe we might lose to this guy, don't they know what

he's saying? people listening? you are getting a lot of that now from the republicans who are saying, don't they know the vice president's policies, don't they know what she said? how is this happening? one more key point, and i know a lot of people have a lot about the former president, but in 2016, you could look at his message and he was agreed with on behalf of so many voters that were unhappy with washington and unhappy with the broader establishment in the country as they saw it, and so much of his messaging now is that he has agreed on behalf of himself. that is a big difference. still can win. if you look at the data, this is so tight, but it is just a different feel. >> this is a close race, a very close race. it is basically tied right now. david is exactly right. the momentum seems to be all on one side, all on the democratic side. the question is, whether donald trump can respond to this surge

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for running mate on the gop ticket? they tried to kill your predecessor. >> that's a problem. >> that's never good. >> did not end well for pence. >> i would argue, it ended very well for mike since and that mike pence has spoken of, and he has spoken out. i'm very proud of him for doing it. my gosh, you look at january 6th, i will say, i will say, i want the statue, i don't care where it is, i want the statue of dan quayle, with his hand on mike pence's shoulders. let me tell you, an incredible footnote in american history, mike pence calls dan quayle and dan puts down the putter and

goes, can't do it, mike, can't do it. and mike goes, well, what about? and he says, you got no choice, man. i'm serious. you've got to do it. it is crazy, but these are moments that actually matter. >> that is an extraordinary phone call, read about it if you go online. another thing i will say for mike pence, for all the criticisms we've had over the years, there've been some republicans when they needed a moment to criticize donald trump, and it went it was clear he would be the nominee said he has got his faults, but i'm going to support the nominee. mike pence says, i'm sitting this one out. i can't vote for donald trump, i'm am not going to vote for vice president harris, but i'm not voting for donald trump. and he set out. meanwhile, donald trump's former chief of staff, speaking of his staff, retired general

kelly, criticize the former president's recent comments, we claim the presidential medal of freedom, which honor civilians, was quote, much better that the medal of honor, the highest declaration given to servicemembers for valor. here's what donald trump said last week. >> i have to say, i watched sheldon sitting so proud in the white house when we gave miriam the presidential medal of freedom, the highest award you can get as a civilian. it is the equivalent of the congressional medal of honor, but the civilian version. it is actually much better, because everyone gets the congressional medal of honor that our soldiers. they are either in very bad shape, because they have been hit so many times by bullets, or they are dead. she gets it and she is a healthy, beautiful woman. >> it actually gets worse every time you hear it. general kelly tells cnn quote, the medal of honor is earned, not won, by incredible actions on the battlefield, typically

by very brave young men who joined where others did not to defend their country, he added, the two cannot be compared, no equivalency of any kind. this is not the first time they have clashed over the sacrifice of american servicemembers. last year, general kelly confirmed reports, which originally appeared in the atlantic in 2020, that during his presidency, trump did not want to visit a cemetery in france for americans who fought and died in world war i, because it was filled with quote, suckers and losers. trump's latest comments a part of a pattern of ways he feels and clearly expresses out loud in ways he does not understand the sacrifices of our military. >> he wouldn't, because he didn't. >> i would say, the shocking thing is not that donald trump says these things, the shocking thing is that people that once revered service, people that once revered the flag, people

that once revered american patriotism, people that once revered all of those qualities, are now lining up behind donald trump, someone who routinely mocks it, someone who, as a general kelly said, did not want to go to a graveyard in france, because the people who died were suckers and losers. and the list goes on, and on. we talked about it again. donald trump says, again, repeatedly, that this country is in decline, that this is a failing nation, that this is a stupid nation. it is the emphasis is antithesis of what republicans have been talking about since ronald reagan took the nomination in 1980. >> the signing sitting on the hill language, and it is not american leadership around the world hear it i can't tell you,

joe, how much of what is happening here is being washed in countries, particularly among america's allies who are worried about what they hear from donald trump. when he talks about the u.s. military in that way, when he talks about u.s. leadership with this application u.s. leadership is somehow failing to me redundant, or america can't bleed, it is a country in decline, that where is america's allies. that makes them start thinking, should we be looking somewhere else? should we be looking to china, perhaps? if we are going to get a president who doesn't believe america could lead, should lead, or wants to lead, or is in a message of decline. that makes people start thinking in other countries, maybe we will throw our lot in with china after all. of course, we should remind people that there are numerous members of donald trump's administration senior cabinet officials who have refused to come out and endorse him me who will not be voting for him and will not be endorsing him him and i think that is a message as well. next, the fastest man in the world, noah liles, joins us to talk about his photo finish

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the paris olympics where field, of course, with dramatic moments. none more so than the photo finish of the men's 100 meter finals. it was in that race that noah liles and lane seven, mounted a come-from-behind victory by just five thousandths of a second. he would have the 200 meter final, despite being sick with covid in the days leading up to and during that race. the world's fastest man joins us live in studio. the champ is here. noah, it is good to see you. >> wow! >> can we start with the 100 middle 100 meter final? we've all seen that photo, you sticking your chest just enough

to win for that photo. the lane watching, he is falling behind a little, was that your strategy all alone? >> i would not say that was my strategy, but very normal of my races. a lot of people know me for being a finisher. my start can be a little more closer than average than most people, especially in a race considering the fastest man in the world. everyone else, i feel they definitely went out of their normal plan to try to use everything in the beginning, where i kind of had a normal start for me and say, hey, and the top end portion of the race and say, i just kind of give it everything i have. i know the rules, torso first. i'm pretty good with my lien and my dips. as you can see, awarding of the gold medal. >> i read that you did not know if you had won. you are congratulating somebody else. >> i was talking to the man who

got second from jamaica like, i think you might have got that one, man. we did not know because it was so close and i was so far out, i could not see. all i knew is i had to lean. after the race i was like, dang, did i get first, did i get second, did i get a medal? i did not know. it felt so weird. i cannot see or since anybody. then, my name popped up on the screen. my goodness, i'm amazing! [ laughter ] >> yes, you are! speaking of, my daughter called me during the show. i come from a family of runners running is life to us. she said, why didn't you tell me noah lyles was going to be on. and i said, should i tell him he is great? she goes, i think he kind of knows that. i'm curious, when did you start running? why? and do you still love it? when did you know you were great ? >> i started running around the age of 9, 10. i was actually a

high jumper. i was not into the sprinting portion. i've been in track and field my whole life. both of my parents are runners. my daddy went professional with adidas and has his own medals and his own accolades. we were always in the track and field world. i thought becoming an olympian was like getting your drivers license. if you wanted it. that just shows the type of environment i was in from an early age. eventually, when i did decide to do track, i was like, oh i am kind of fast. i got to my 8th grade year me and i'm really fast. that is when me and my brother saw the olympics in 2012 like, we can do that. we can go to 2016. four years later i got fourth at the olympic trials, i missed it by one spot. i ended up breaking the high school national record, so on and so forth. turned pro with adidas. everything else is history.

>> i would love to hear about the 200 you ran under those conditions. you have this larger than life correct personality. as a result, there are some folks that come at you. to repeal wants to come at you, throwing shots at the nba. talk a little about you and the personality that you bring to the sport of track and field. >> i think my girlfriend describes it really well. i do have many hats that i wear , and being a performer is definitely one for the track. people can get lost in their personality, because unfortunately, that is all they get to see in the 10 seconds i get to show them. usually, it is in moments like this we have a conversation everybody learns, oh my gosh, he has had so many hardships and i've had to overcome things constantly, like catching covid at the olympics and saying, we

have to find the right circumstances, making sure everyone stays safe, not just myself. we did not want anyone else to missed their opportunity to have a great olympics as well. yes, i wear the hat of being a showman and have a lot of confidence, because i have been through a lot to say, i've been through this moment, i can fight through again. those are the moments people don't get to see. anytime they see me online, it is a situation of, he is cocky and bashful. as soon as they meet me, you get to see the personality, this is not the guy we see on the track all the time. this is a guy who has been through life and understands it quite a bit, more than just he thinks everybody else is beneath him. >> talk about another side people don't see. they turn on the olympics, oh my god, must be incredible to be born with that talent, to be that gifted, for everything to fall in your lap. talk about the hard work. talk about the challenge. talk about the discipline, when everybody else is sleeping, you are getting up, going to the track, the sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice, all for that moment. >> i think a lot of people kind

of can get a concept for it, but it is different when you are living it. to be honest, it does not feel like a sacrifice a lot because this is what i dreamed of, this is what i sacrifice for, this is what i want. everybody has their dreams and for me, mine is track and field. do not go anywhere. we have a second hour for you of "morning joe weekend" right after the break. ter the break. ♪♪ whenever heartburn strikes, get fast relief with tums. it's time to love food back. also try new tums gummy bites.

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hour of top stories. take a look. we know what a second trump term would look like. it's all laid out in project 2025 and written about by his closest advisers, and it's sum total is to pull our country back to the past. but, america, we are not going back. we are not going back we are not going back. we are not going back to when donald trump tried to cut social security and medicare. we are not going back to when he tried to get rid of the affordable care act, when insurance companies could deny people with pre-existing conditions. we are not going to let him eliminate the department of education that funds our public schools.

we are not going to let him into programs like head start to provide preschool and childcare for our children. america, we are not going back >> the united center in chicago was at full capacity last night as vice president kamala harris delivered a powerful acceptance speech for her party's nomination for president. ahead of her remarks, president biden posted a photo of himself and the first lady on the phone with vice president harris writing a part -- kamala and tim will inspire a generation and lead us into the future. what an incredible night. welcome to the fourth hour of morning joe at 6:00 on the west coast and 9:00 in the east jonathan and eddie are with us and joining us we have the co- host of msnbc's the weekend,

symone sanders-townsend. former msnbc hosting contributor to washington monthly, chris matthews, and shooting writer a political magazine, veteran political analyst, jeff greenfield joins us at the table in new york. >> great to have everyone here. willie, you in chicago. describe the scene, if you will? you know, debates -- i've heard one journalist after another say never try to judge how the debate turned out, presidential debate, when you're in the room. it's quite the opposite at a convention. you can walk into a convention and watch it does you had the bob uecker seats last night. kebab euchre seats are usually the best seats to stand in, take it all in and say, okay, what is the state of this party? what is your interest to that?

>> you are right. john and i sat up in section 315 eating those black hawks and bowls of nachos. a soft pretzel with no salt. we had the full experience. that's where we were sitting. you are right. you could drink it in and watch this entire scene play out. we've all been to political events were the enthusiasm feels a little manufactured, where people have to be told when to cheer and what to do. this is not that and it very well might have been if joe biden had not stepped out of the race. there's a lot of talk about the parallel universe where joe biden stays in and what this might've felt like. but when you looked in that room last night, joy was the word we have been hearing all week it was there as reverend al sharpton make clear in his speech shouting about joint and you cannot mistake again, last night or more than any nights, the level of patriotism in the room. which is, he looked down from where we are sitting and then just a sea of american flags

being waved with signs the holdup and chants at every turn about usa. members of the u.s. military and members of congress who have served in the military all coming out on stage. and a unifying message from vice president harris, which was not a base plate, but a play to the groups of people she knows she needs to win this election pick swing states. and frankly, even to republicans pick she is saying the doors open. if you are disillusioned by what you've watched from donald trump. if disillusioned by the last 10 years, and we fold covid into that, if you're tired of the past, come with us because we are not going back, as she put it picks. she explicitly said she was appealing to americans for votes she know she did not have yet. and focus on those seven battleground states that a roll call of arizona, north carolina, pennsylvania, and the like. i think the vice president checked every box the team wanted her to do. first with the biography leaning into explaining who she is to america that maybe could not know her that well but linking her story and her

family story to communities of people who helped her raise her. their story and the american experience. experience of immigrants and american family and the experience of love, as she put it. she did move to the middle on certain things. played up on national security. she came across almost hawkish and had to thread the needle on israel and gaza. a challenging moment here for this administration. and we should note we should not lose sight of the major story line coming into this convention were whether the protest would overwhelm them. would this be chicago 1968 again and it was not that there were protests, especially the first night but they were not as large as they were anticipated to be and they did not get as chaotic or violent. democrats breathed a sigh of relief and last night we had the vice president with the momentum of a strong convention behind her hit the ball out of the park yesterday, and i will head into the next big centerpiece of this campaign is

the debate in two weeks. >> as we talk about this idea patriotism and the greatness of america, i was struck -- last night at the democratic national convention, how many times the name ronald reagan was invoked. talking about the shining city on a hill. all these things we become accustomed to seeing and republican national convention's or here at a democratic national convention in 2024. >> it is a start change from what republicans always attacked as the san francisco democrats in 1984. it's a complete reversal. you have, actually, walter mondale never said rafah appeared he loved america. he never said the things about american pre-pop 84 that donald trump is saying now. so it's actually far worse where the republicans have taken their party sing we are a nation of losers.

we are a stupid nation. a nation in decline. i could go on and on but the chants of usa throughout the week, i'm telling you, that sends chills up and down the spines of republicans. they know that she was on the other foot now. the symbol of the flag taken from them -- you look last night and all the flag-waving throughout the entire evening. it's pretty incredible because you have republicans that are constantly trashing this country , and most americans love their country, even if they know that we are always striving to be a more perfect union. chris matthews, why does this matter? i remember you saying something along time ago i hope you remember saying it. maybe he only said at one time but it stuck with me. as i was driving through working neighborhoods -- you grew up in a working-class neighborhood in

philly and you said, you know what the working guy has? you know what the little guy has? he's got the flag. that's what he's got. he puts it out in front of his house because that's what he's got. it represents the country he loves and it represents everything that he's striving to be. and as i saw those flags last night i was thinking, yeah. that is such a powerful message to people he used to think they automatically had to vote republican. >> yeah. you are right. i did say that. a guy told me that. it's all i've got is the flag. it's my country where i served in the military. more of this week's historic democratic convention right after the break. stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions

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[ cheers and applause ] that was senator elizabeth warren last night at the dnc

receiving a sustained standing ovation that lasted well over a minute. in her speech, she then laid out the stark character and policy contrasts between kamala harris and donald trump and the democratic senator of massachusetts joins us now. i have to tell you that was so moving. crying right now watching it. it's been such a long run. >> by the way, eddie was crying too. he was like, so much for the centrism. he was crying too. >> i love to know, senator, what that was like for you. as i was saying, it's a long runway to this moment paved in part by you. >> well, it has been a long runway. you know, i stood there and all i could see was this huge room full of volunteers, of people who had taken their vacation time, spent their own money to come to chicago because they got in a fight because they don't want to see young people

crushed by student loan debt. because they want to gun safety . because they want us to deal with prescription drugs and make them affordable for people. i thought of this as a moment in democracy. i never thought i was going to run for public office, but i got into it because there are things i care about and in a democracy you have a chance to just raise your hand and say, i will get in this fight. come with me. and that's what people have done and that was the moment last night that there were so many people who said, we are in this fight together. we are in this fight to make change and we are going to win and make those changes. >> you know, i think we all probably took something a little different out of that sustained applause that you got. i felt it was this pent of -- i

won't say frustration because that's too negative of a word -- but pent up energy for progressives, for the progressive cause, and once again it's underlined in this convention as kamala harris is firmly holding a place in the center of american politics. to me, progressives have done exactly what the base in trump's republican party have not done. progressives have been patient. they have been practical. they have been pragmatic. and they actually -- forgive me for using ronald reagan's name here -- but reagan's attitude was, if i get 70%, if i get 75% of what i need, i don't consider that a loss. and i've been blown away

throughout biden's administration, and even this convention, the progressives have said we are in it to win it. and i felt last night that eruption was for you and for progressives across america that say we are here. >> yeah. because we are in it to make the changes that america wants us to make. you know, it's so easy for people to get into the centrism and progressive -- the reality is the things that we are fighting for are the things that are popular in america. we talk about things like gun safety. golly. 90% of americans want to see us make change and it's not just democrats. as democrats, independents, republicans. we want to see child care. two out of every three american say, yeah. this is crazy that we are a nation that doesn't make it possible for parents to be able

to go to work and know that their kids have safe, affordable childcare. and you can just do this issue through issues and the issues we are still fighting for. we need to make major investments in housing we need more housing in this country. housing for everyone. we need to make change as a nation and we are ready to do it. were not going to stand on the sidelines and say, should've done it this way. could've done it that way. we are going to say we are willing to get in the fight. we are willing to take how hard it is and the bumps and bruises and adjust and keep pushing forward and make the changes that this nation needs. that's what were going to do. next, the host of msnbc's the last word, lawrence o'donnell, joins us with his thoughts on how democrats performed at their convention this week. we will be right back. with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medicine

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joining us now is the host of the last word on msnbc, lawrence o'donnell pulitzer prize-winning author and presidential historian, doris kearns goodwin and professor of history and presidential historian, doug brinkley, and senior political columnist for politico, jonathan martin. >> we are honored to have you here, especially because of how late you do your show. we are asleep three hours before you start. i would love for you, because you been doing this for so long and i've been in this for so long, love for you to take a step back and forget about what happened last night and what happened the night before. let's look at the last month and try to put into perspective for people who may just now be focusing on politics how extraordinary this past month has been in american politics.

>> it will be a month in american politics that will be discussed 50 years from now in discussions like this. it will be the one that people will be comparing other stunning events in the future that we don't know about that might happen and they will say, well, remember in 2024 the was that amazing moment where joe biden decided not to run in 27 minutes later he endorsed his vice president for the nomination. and, really, that was all it took to create what happened here. you see how that day unfolded the clintons endorsed an hour after joe biden. that nomination was locked in within, i don't know, 90 minutes after joe biden decided that he wasn't going to run. formally it took over 24 hours for kamala harris to actually assemble former commitments from the number of delegates it would take for her to get it. the nomination in a day. that's what her campaign for

the nomination ended up being. and that's clearly what joe biden wanted because all of the discussions about joe biden dropping out, they always included what, for me, it sounded like an element of chaos. a large element of chaos. and then let's go find a candidate but there were preposterous suggestions like turning bill clinton and barack obama into talkshow host who would host shows inviting a few of these candidates. crazy stuff that could never happen. you would not have had a nominee on monday night. he would not of had a nominee on tuesday night. we don't know how many ballots it would take to get one. and i think what joe biden saul and all of those discussions was if i stepped down, i have to prevent chaos, and that endorsement was the thing that prevented the chaos and put everything on track to everything you see now. >> let me ask you this question, as well. in all of your years as politics, have you ever seen a

political figure surprise, stun critics, even supporters, as much as kamala harris? the only comparison i have is ronald reagan, who somehow overnight turned from a b list actor and a clown into, according to its critics perception of him, to get a guy that one landslides and started a political revolution or counterrevolution. >> right. and you know it wasn't overnight. there was the governorship. there was more than one presidential -- more than one attempt by him to get the republican nomination. >> and it will save too -- there was the 76 convention speech when gerald ford made the worst mistake ever by

saying come on down, ronald reagan. i just beat you but come down and speak. and then reagan gave one of the great speeches. you are right. this is like the beatles were not an overnight sensation. they played in hamburg. >> here what is true about the comparison. i did not take ronald reagan seriously before he got the republican nomination for president. and he was maneuvering for it in the beginning of 1968 to get the nomination. he was the long shot in miami at that convention. and i think people who were not watching kamala harris closely have been very surprised by this, especially because there's been a media coverage of her as vice president, which i was done completely preposterous, saying she was somehow feeling at the job that doesn't have any job description other than showing up at the senate but we need your vote. i have known her since 2009 since she was the

san francisco district attorney. i had some people in l.a. say to me, come and meet the female obama. i did not know who this was so i went to a law firm in century city of a dozen lawyers listening to the san francisco d.a. . i listen to her for 10 minutes i think, this is the female obama. this is the one who can become president of the united states. i have been completely unsurprised. but i knew she would go from san francisco d.a. to something statewide. it turned out to be attorney general. i firmly believe she would win that race and it turned out to be a squeaker because karl rove very much try to stop her at that campaign pick the republicans were worried about her winning the attorney general race statewide in california because they saw, karl rove saul, how powerful she could be as a campaign presence and they did not want to see her when statewide california. that obviously led to her senate election and here we are. >> karl rove, one of the voices now in 2024 who keeps trying to

warn republicans you don't know what's coming at you and you better stop underestimating. i think it's brilliant what he says. he says republicans usually stand in line and democrats fall in line. democrats, he said, this is the first time in my life i've seen them fall in line while falling in love? >> exactly. that is incredible, and on his part. coming up. house minority leader hakeem jeffries spoke at the convention this week where he compare donald trump to an ex- boyfriend. he will explain that when he joins us ahead. be able to perform here. and here. make a statement while barely making a sound. and command the road, as well as what lies ahead. how we get there matters. get exceptional offers at your local audi dealer.

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it's like an old boyfriend who you broke up with but he just won't go away. he has spent the last four years spending the block trying to get back into a relationship with the american people. bro, we broke up with you for a reason. trump is a chaos agent who was focused on himself, not the american people. trump tried to destroy our democracy by lying about the election and inciting a violent mob to attack the capitol. trump put three extreme justices on the supreme court, who destroyed roe versus wade. we broke up with you for a reason. donald trump can spend the block all he wants, but there is no reason for us to ever get

back together. been there. done that. we are not going back. >> that was house minority leader congressman hakeem jeffries with a rousing speech last night here at the democratic national convention in chicago and the democratic leader joins us now. great to see you. today being here. can you speak broadly to what you have felt in this arena over the last three days leading up to tonight's address where vice president harris will accept the nomination, especially given where the party has been for the last several months, this handwringing about whether president biden should stay in the race? should he stay or should he go? uncertainty about democrats about whether vice president harris was the person for the job. what do you see now this week after all of that? >> there's been a lot of unity, a lot of joy, a lot of hope about the future. president biden will go down in history as one of most

consequential presidents of all time, and then he made a selfless decision to pass the torch to kamala harris, who was ready and willing and able to get the job done. we've seen it. she has an amazing partner in tim walz. and, so, we are optimistic about the future but we understand there will be a lot of work that needs to be done the next 75 days to get this done for the american people. >> can you give insight -- you were respectful president biden gave him the time and space to make his decision about what it was like behind the scenes as you waited to see what he would decide? perhaps any pressure that may have been applied? what was it like in those days and weeks? >> from the house perspective we thought it was important to speak amongst ourselves and have conversations that were clear and comprehensive and candid so that when i had the opportunity to speak to high- level members of the administration and ultimately president biden, i communicate the full breadth of perspective. but we also believed that president biden, who assaulted

this country incredibly well over a 50 plus year legendary career, was going to work through this and would ultimately be his decision him and he made a decision that he felt was best for the country and for those who he served with and led so capably during this time in office. >> i know it's a point of pride there is a house guy on the ticket now. governor walz, moved to the state house and he worked with him as a former colleague. tell us how you got to know him and what he brings to the table? >> he is such a good and authentic man. a family man. and everyone who served with tim walz, myself included, was left with the impression that he is such a fundamentally decent person. in it for the right reasons and has experiences that are closely connected to the day-to-day experiences of everyday americans. that's why we've seen his appeal be so explosive. >> on on that idea i was struck

last night as we saw him deliver this speech. very emotional and we saw his son pointing and saying he loved his father picked the split screen will be the presidential debate where you have this everyman and governor walz. first there is j.d. vance who for weeks now the democrats have labeled successfully as weird and out of step with americans. what you think that might be like? >> a bad night for the extreme rafah republicans. there consecutive bad weeks and they won't be able to spin or find a way out of it. when they have to confront vice president kamala harris and the vision she has, when they have to confront tim walz and the authentic character that he has and the related ability, it will be difficult for them. the big, important difference is we want to move the country forward. we want to turn back the clock. we want to unify the country and they're trying to divide us. we believe in an economy that

works for everyday americans, as governor walz articulated yesterday and is kamala harris will articulate in an incredible way today. and their view of the economy is we just want to continue to support the wealthy, well-off and well-connected. those differences, which will be played out on the debate stage and played out on the campaign trail over the next 75 days, i think, will put us in the strongest possible position to make her case to the american people that we should be given the opportunity to lead experiment on the question of the economy, we know and continue to hear from donald trump and republicans that prices are through the roof and inflation is too high. you would hear that from yours constituents when you go back to brooklyn. what is the answer to that? i know that vice president harris has put out a plan and is talked about price gouging. some economists have been skeptical about whether price- fixing is the answer to inflation but what is the response to the fact that everyday people regardless of party feel like they're still paying too much for groceries and other things? beam we recognize that far too

many people are struggling and living paycheck to paycheck in terms of trying to fully realize the american dream, which is why kamala harris and house democrats have said we want to focus on lower costs. lowering housing costs. lowering food prices. lowering the high price of lifesaving prescription drugs, and we made progress in that area thanks to the leadership of president biden. but we know more needs to be done. it's been interesting because this is been a convention where you've heard a lot of talk about the housing crisis, including from our two former presidents. president obama leaned in and said they need to do with housing affordability. president clinton last night did the same thing. so we recognize there is still a lot of work to be done to allow everyday americans to be able to get ahead. >> i want to ask you quickly before we let you go pick this house republican report that came out. 291 page document with republicans making the case that there is a case to impeach president biden, notably absent

was evidence he did anything impeachable. what is your reaction? >> if you think there is a case to impeach president biden, go ahead and make our day. but the articles of impeachment on the floor of the house of representatives. they will go down in flames. the reason they're not doing is because on one hand the issue this way, fictitious and fraudulent report to appease donald trump. but they also know politically it's toxic so they will never put it on the floor of the house of representatives and if they do we will stop them. >> final question. how did you choose which hip- hop reference to close with? with their deliberation around that? >> do you have a team? >> he doesn't need a team. >> i just wanted to let the spirit move me. figure out what the situation was in the arena and what the relationship was with the people i was speaking to. and clearly at the end i felt like, you know what? it's time to drop it. nothing can stop us. we are all the way up.

>> and it has been all the way up. they were loud tonight. house majority leader congressman hakeem jeffries of new york. thank you for your time this morning. coming up member of the new york times editorial board mara on the crazy tactics democrats should use to win back the house this november. (vo) you might be used to living with your albuterol asthma rescue inhaler, but it's a bit of a dinosaur, because it only treats your symptoms, not inflammation. treating both symptoms and inflammation with rescue is supported by asthma experts. finally, there's a modern way to treat symptoms and asthma attacks.

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after democrats lost control a couple of years ago, a lot of eyes turned toward new york state wondering how the democrats had messed things up so badly there. you are sitting there trying to turn things around this year experiment you know what the unusual strategy is in new york state for the democrats? the unusual strategy is to actually run a campaign where you actually talk to voters and knock on doors. you make phone calls.

>> that's radical. >> it's a radical idea for the new york democratic party, which actually is far better at fending off challenges from primary, and primary races from progressives and other outsiders , then it is in winning competitive races. and that is because new york has become an overwhelmingly democratic state over the years. the state party is weak and we saw this. governor hochul is not a very popular governor and so in 2022 should actually only one by six points. if that isn't wearing a sign, i don't know what. this year things are a little different. democrats in washington, democrats across the state have come together and i would not say they're panicked. i would say they're deeply engaged in trying to get boots on the ground into long island another swing districts in upstate new york and the hudson

valley to make sure that they are actually running the race, as the competitive race that it is. this is a radical idea new york . we could spend an entire month talking about why you're but i think a lot of people outside new york are thinking, how could this happen in new york city's backyard? well, new york suburbs are diverse, like other places. long island, also, has become very friendly to donald trump and so that is also throwing a wrench into democratic efforts. but this year they are feeling more confident on the democratic side that at least a majority of these races are going to be in good shape for them. >> and sam stein, democrats need to be feeling pretty good about what's going on with the guy we both know, john avalon come all the way out east on long island. he handily won his primary, in which people expected to be close. but if you follow that race out

there john is knocking on doors and planting yard signs and holding a lot of small meetings. he is doing the very thing that mara is reporting about getting out and running a grassroots campaign and he is running against a guy who was one of donald trump's most reliable supporters pick so in a swing district where the guy he was sort of independent in john avalon, there is a good road map the democrats need to take back seats they lost. >> i have to cop to being completely impartial on this one because john avalon hired me when i worked at the daily beast. it's okay. i will say, as objectively as i can, that this does tie into what we are talking about earlier, which is john preaches a kind of politics that i don't want to say post-partisan, but it's close. let's stop with this nonsense. we have to get beyond trumpism. everyone is exhausted by the

rancor. we need to just move forward and be more constructive. for a while that seemed really hokey and rely, that's just john being john. but it has real residence in this current moment and i think the proof is that john, if you talk to him, he expected his primary campaign to be a lot closer. i think internet winning by 20 or 30%? maybe even more? and i think people were attracted to that message that we just can't keep doing this type of battlefield politics over and over again. i will say long island, yeah, it's not as democratic as people perceive. a lot of working-class voters there. it has voted republican. but i think in this modern day and age, we just had eight years of this and were ready to move on. i think harris is the beneficiary of this too. >> i can tell you it's a radical thing, mara, but when you start knocking on doors when you start planting yard signs in people's yards and you start holding town hall meetings, when you get on the ground the way you say

democrats are finally starting to do this year, amazing things start happening. you start winning. >> that's right. the other key here is that congressman tom swazi already pulled this off earlier this year. he won back that see that have been held by george santos for the democrats. and he did it -- first of all, he is a no name on long island so we did have advantages, but he went and talked to voters. he told me and called me last weekend we spoke and he said, i do not leave a single constituent on the table. so he was out beating the pavement, which is something he has always done. it's just not something that other democrats have done in new york, especially. and i think it's going to be much harder on eastern long island pick the demographics there trend of more republican. but john avalon has been running a very smart race. i think that new york four, in

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in this country, everybody is supposed to be able to run for president, but that has never really been true. somebody had to do it first. so i did it. i did it because i was the only one who had the audacity to shake this system up. >> that was emmy award-winning actor, uzo aduba, playing trailblazing congresswoman shirley chisholm in the ethics limited series , mrs. america. 52 years ago, she became the first black candidate to seek a major party nomination for president and the first woman to run for the democratic party's presidential nomination. she helped pave the way for

kamala harris to become the first woman of color to lead a major party's presidential ticket and uzo aduba joins us now live from chicago. she's at the dnc on behalf of the creative coalition, a nonprofit that advocates for the advancement of the arts in america. tell us more about why you are there and what you're doing, along with the creative coalition. >> well, i'm here experiencing the dnc. getting the word in the message out, and how arts can impact politics and our government. i've just been enjoying and soaking up this experience. last night was just incredible. 20,000 people were inherent last night and the energy and excitement for this new day in america, i think, our former first lady said it best with hope is now making a come back. >> tell us a little bit more about the organization and what

it hopes to accomplish this week in chicago? >> creative coalition is in arts organization, a 501(c)(3), that impacts on social change. and it does not take particular sides but it does hope to act and get people to think about their positions and how they want to proceed with government. >> this is eddie appear great to see you. what was it like to play shirley chisholm against the backdrop of what this historic campaign is? we know what ms. chisholm represented in 1972 and we know the walls she had to break through, the resistance she had to face. as you played shirley chisholm and witness what is happening now, what came to your mind? what did you think about in terms of the history of this moment? >>, well, it's impossible to ignore the notes that existed back when shirley chisholm ran

for president, and to see this incredibly historic moment that is happening now with vice president kamala harris running. the power, the confidence, the courage, the intelligence that she and shirley chisholm both have to have in order to sit in that highest feet come the qualification and the readiness that both display. and that was something i brought into my performance, as well. shirley chisholm was a trailblazer. she was a pioneer in politics in that regard, and she was a woman of the utmost skill and ability and i think we see the same thing here now. being as you noted the organization does not take political sides but the role of arts in everyday american life is something that i think can often be overlooked but get as we hear from speakers from either side of the aisle, is such a part of the fabric talk to us about why it's so important? >> it's important because arts have the ability to impact our every day. and i think being a part of the

political conversation and taking that into the arts space is important because then people are able to really start understand, formulate different ideas here consider new thoughts on legislation policies that maybe they perhaps have not considered in the past. and without being partisan. not taking any particular side. but highlighting all the conversations that are happening within the political space. >> emmy award-winning actress uzo aduba, thank you so much for joining us . that's all the time we have today. we are back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. we will see you there with more of our top discussions and interviews from the past week. have for today. we are back here tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. we will see you there with more of our top discussions and interviews from the past week. until then-- you did good, just sit there and look pretty. have a great saturday. good morning