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we will be joined by congresswoman alyssa stockton, former white house counsel, barbara bauer, texas councilwoman jasmine crockett, and many more. that all starts right here at 8:00 p.m. a.m. eastern. "velshi" continues our country coverage. take it away, ali velshi. >> is it a secret where you are? you know how i know i you are here in new york, and you better come and say hello. i get a text from my makeup artist that they are going to be doing your hair and makeup sort of idea. >> are you talking about, ali, this is what i look like. >> that is how i know you're in the building, because i get helped out, it is a pleasure for me, for you. >> he sounds a little false. >> we got a great makeup artist and she did a fantastic job. it all works out just fine. you guys are bringing joy,

hope, and freedom to our weekend . i appreciate you. >> there is joy, there's hope, and i am freedom. >> michael and i are off tomorrow, pray for us all. >> you guys are free until tomorrow morning. have yourself a great afternoon. "velshi" starts now. now. good morning, it is saturday, august 24th. there are 73 days left until election day. democrats are fired up after four celebratory days at their convention in chicago this week, but this race is far from over. in a little over a month, kamala harris has managed to close the gap from donald trump, and now that are robert f. kennedy junior has suspended his campaign, the dynamics could change one more time. in addition to suspending his presidential bid, kennedy endorsed donald trump yesterday and appeared with him in a

rally in lindale, arizona, where the former president made a plea to kennedy supporters. >> we are leading now, but i think he will have a huge influence on this campaign. bobby and i will fight together to defeat the corrupt, political establishment, and return control of this country to the people. and all who supported bobby's campaign, i very simply ask you join us in building this coalition. it is a beautiful coalition. >> a beautiful coalition. we will talk about that in just a second with my guest. kennedy's exit is another example of how fluid the race is. as an independent, he had been slipping in the polls for months, but remained the top third party candidate in the race. he has been or receiving between 5 and 10% support in the national polls released this

summer. that could be significant enough to make a difference in the election that will be extremely close. trump's allies lobbied extremely hard in recent weeks to get trump to drop out of the race after it became apparent he was pulling more votes away from trump than from biden or harris i can't imagine he was pulling any bolts from biden or harris, frankly. that is no surprise because kennedy is an anti-max conspiracy theorist who has more morph into a trump clone. his speech even included some of trump's most recent and ridiculous talking points, like the absurd claim that here is replacing biden at the top of the democratic ticket was a coup. it is fitting he should jump in with the republicans now that that party is coming intolerant of any views that diebold the dark and fusion blue view of america. it is a vision democrats ali rejected this week during their convention where joy, hope, and freedom were overriding things. it was an event where traditional standardbearers like former president bill clinton were received justice warmly as elizabeth, the progressive senator from massachusetts, and former presidential candidate herself

who received a loan, and ruckus standing ovation from the audience as she took the stage thursday night, nearly moved her to tears. throughout the week, democrats showed off their deep bachelor future leaders. for instance, from florida, max ross, first member of gen z ever elected to congress. to kentucky's andy beshear, one of the few democratic governors of a red state. alexandra cortez, a member of the squad gave a memorable speech as part of this year's primetime lineup. the dnc even made room for former republicans, even though still registered, including at the bottom left, olivia troy, whom i will be speaking with in the next hour, you say, they no longer feel like they have a place in the gop, and oprah, technically a registered independent, gave a speech urging other independents and people still undecided not to sit out this election. it was not just about who appeared on stage is chicago's united center

, it was the whole package. that was probably best example during a ceremonial rollcall tuesday night. ceremonial, because the voting actually happened to be an august 7th deadline. this rollcall, typically a rather boring thing, showcase the diversity of the democratic coalition across the country. the dnc's broad appeal was a rousing success in terms of the metric that matters most to donald trump, tv ratings. 26.2 million viewers tuned into the final night of the dnc, more than the 24.5 million that watched the final night of the rnc, more portly, democrats use their convention to make clear that they are creating a big tent. practically, anyone who does not subscribe to trump-ism is welcome to join. they are seeking a forward- looking coalition that spans multiple generations, including people from across the alley of ideological spectrum recognize that in this precarious moment, their policy disagreements are far less important than defending democracy from the

existential threat posed by donald trump and his ilk. and they hope that this brought in united coalition will be the key to victory in november. i am joined by the award- winning journalist mandy hudson, founder, ceo, and editor in chief of the new media organization. and host of the dino modelo show on sirius xm, author of "the dietz report" also an msnbc call you missed. good morning to both of you. thank you for being with us. i want to dispense with the rfk thing . if you just would like to roll your eyes in response, you may. he is also an unserious guy, but he was drawing 5 to 10% of voters polled. i can't believe that was really anywhere close to evenly split between biden and trump, or harris and trump. would you make of it? >> ali, like you, i did not think he was a big threat to

trump, he was a threat to democrats because he was pulling voters away because he is an anti-vaxxed loan, for many who thought trump was not loony enough was heading toward rfk junior. whether we like it or not, it was a good thing for donald trump, because trump gets to have some of those far right voters come home to him. it is ironic to see rfk junior, the independent third-party candidate running against the establishment who called trump the worst president of his lifetime, called him sociopathic, now seeing, i will back this guy for a second time. it is a reminder, it is not just democrats and republicans out here in gender cynicism, also independents. you have to be pretty cynical to say all of this stuff about donald trump and then say, i will endorse him for a second time. the reality is, it certainly helps trump. >> let's talk about the trip tent. let's talk about the fact that there were all sorts of people at this convention, border guards, republicans, squad

members, progressives, conservatives. it is what a political party should be. the republican party should also be that. in big tents, they should compete for the people who might fit into both tents. i thought, putting aside a remarkable concert production values, which did not start me that much, it was fun to watch, but i don't care about it. i thought that was fun to watch, they demonstrated a coalition. >> certainly. we have to talk about the vibe for a second. it is likely "velshi" vibe. there is a dj here. people don't see it . we do dance brakes, a commercial, we enjoy it and have a good time. we watch that convention and it was a party we wanted to be at. you can't underestimate that in the close election. obama said it, clinton said it, you had vice president harris say is, it is going to be close . this kind of thing, this feel good, this joy, gets people to come out and vote. that helps a lot. i don't think adam can center, the j 6 committee, who is a

republican, is a part of our coalition going forward on issues. in the preservation of democracy, he is there. look at how democracies die, stephen lubinski, recently on my show, reminded me that in his book he talked about the fight against autocracy and fascists in europe, you had parties come together in the defense of democracy. this is important. we will not agree with them on abortion, we will not agree with them on guns we will agree on defending our democracy. for this moment in time, just like 2020, bringing together a wall in favor of democracy, important. >> stewart was on with me last night, and he said, these endorsements don't matter, by republicans. i was asking, do they create information structure? what happens to have people from across the political spectrum, more from the right than the left, at a convention

like this thing, we are republicans for harris, or border guards for harris, what is it actually do in your opinion? >> it is a good point. let's deal with the elephant in the room. does this bring republicans over to the democrats? not really. if you look at the story of how fox basically just did not air any of these speeches, they either aired them and talk over them, or just did not air. that tells you a lot about fox, which is not a news network, it is a propaganda network. they are blocking some of this information about jeff duncan, olivia troy, whoever it is, on fox. what it does to, and i am with dean on this one, is divide. it undermines this idea, especially among swing voters, only a few of those african americans, that kamala harris is not some foreign leftists, not someone who hates america, is not unreasonable here this idea you can create this permission structure for people to say, she seems to want to reach out to people. i think what is key is that

harris, the democrats, are not leaning in a way that says, we are giving you concessions on policy in order for you to get on board. this is not a triangulation strategy of the 1990s which says, we will meet you in the middle. the point is, one common goal, which transcends all other common goals, which is stopping donald trump. not a big fan of adam can figure either. the guy voted in line with trump on all sorts of horrible policies including guns, taxes, et cetera. when he came out and made the case against trump, that was a valuable thing to do against the democratic party. it will only come down to a few thousand votes in a few thousand states. if small things make a difference, we can take them seriously. everything that makes a small difference should be taken seriously. you might worry about the vibes, just to be devil's advocate. i spoke to a member of congress that said, these people are acting like we've won already. it was almost like a victory party, not an official confirmation party for the nominee. my biggest worry, always at times like this, is complacency

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i am back with medhi and dean. medhi, let me ask you something, anything is make a difference, there was one little thing people are critical of in this big tent, in which room was made for lots and lots of people, there was not too two minutes of room for an elected, a palestinian american, which ironically, when you look at this committed movement, they were the only people other than kamala harris who had delegates elected to the convention. tell me what you know about this and what you think about it. >> yes. let's be clear, ali, a lot of people are like, these people

are anti-democratic party , why should they be allowed on stage? having won several hundred thousand votes in the democratic party primary, more than 100,000 in michigan alone, q swing state, they sent delegates from multiple states to the dnc. the idea, jon stewart joke this week sarcastically, over four nights, eight hours a night, they cannot find a spot for a palestinian lawmaker. let's be clear, there has been a lot of misinformation floating around. the uncommitted movement seeing being sent to israel to be killed in gaza. offered up multiple voices, turn down by the dnc, finally, they offered up an elected lawmaker from georgia, state representative palestinian laura mock. she wrote a speech invented by the dnc, a speech, by the way, that endorsed kamala harris for president. the dnc still said, you can't come on stage, even

though we will have the israeli parents of a hostage in gaza, a good move. all of us support the idea of calling on hostages to be released in gaza. to have this on stage and say, we will not have a palestinian american on stage, even though the platform says, we value palestinian americans together. by the way, it is dumb, ali. it is just dumb. the democrats missed out on an opportunity in prime time to have a palestinian lawmaker from a swing state in a job endorsed kamala harris . that is just dumb. as we discussed before the break, a close election, you need every vote. >> in the next hour, he is an elected palestinian american representative in the georgia state house. a part of the frustration with this, it would not have been hard to do the right thing on this one. your argument that you have made is that, kamala harris is pointed in the right direction on this issue. >> definitely, absolutely. first of all, i am palestinian american, thank you for having

me on the show. >> a lot of negotiation went into this. >> that is a political choice. they are saying who we are going to value. i will say this about vice president harris, her words about dignity, self- determination of palestinians and security was historic. i went back and looked at every democratic national convention speech, democratic candidate accepting the nomination, only one said the word palestine, 1996 president bill clinton. no one ever said dignity, determination. the crowd cheered. i wish my late father was there to hear the crowd cheer, but the policy is what everyone wants to see. she is a candidate, telling us, maybe this will be our policy, we need an articulation of policy so this is the nightmare in gaza like something out of world war i we are living in. my family is from the west bank. we have seen more taking of land in the last year and

settler violence than we have seen in years. and the netanyahu administration is backing this. it is personal for me. me and my community. our families are being killed, driven off their land, terrorized with american rock weaponry, the you in u.n. vetoing resolutions. that is the policies you want to see, and complying with u.s. law and smart security systems act, you can use our weapons in violation of international law. just apply the law we have. nothing new, apply that law here >> medhi hudson, it was interesting in the emotional farewell by joe biden, there was so much clapping and cheering, there was a line that almost got missed, where joe biden referred to the protesters, he said, those protesters out in the street they have a point. a lot of innocent people are being killed on both sides. little, small things, but it seemed to show movement, which i think it gave people hope they might steer two minutes for a palestinian american and all the hours they had. why do you think they didn't?

>> that is the $64,000 question. was it racism? was it cute beer market was a tartness, incompetence and bad judgment? there is multiple reasons they did not do it. i think it was a huge mistake, an unforced error. you mentioned good joe biden saying they had a point. he also said, both sides, a reminder to your viewers, 33 times as many palestinians as israelis that have been killed. joe biden and kamala harris are not innocent bystanders just absorbers in the corner. unfortunately, this administration is complicit in the killings. we send the arms, in violation of international law. it is the policy. and dean is right, that statement was a first or second at the dnc. i should point out the language used by joe biden than in other settings, not unprecedented language, but to get applause

is a big deal. every time palestinian rights were mentioned on the stage, only a handful of times, by aoc, keith ellison, bernie sanders, kamala harris, you got huge applause. wherever i went at the convention, delegates came up to me, black, white, brown, sing, keep speaking out about gaza, please. the base supports this issue, the party wants a stronger line on israel, but the leadership is not willing to do. i have to say one thing about that speech, dean visited mentioned the positive line, harris went out of her way to condemn the specific sexual violence on october 7th by hamas, but did not mention sexual violence we have seen documented against palestinians in detention right now by palestinian horses. >> that has come out in recent months and has been very, very clearly documented. thank you so much. medhi harrison, award-winning journalist, and dino is author

of "the dean's report." he is an msnbc columnist. coming up next, i will speak with the palestinian georgia state representative who spoke outside the dnc, not inside, do not miss that conversation. >> my next guest says, we are at a tipping point for democracy is more and more of the consequences of living in a post-roe society, putting millions at risk. abortion is healthcare and it should be treated like such . diabetes can serve up a lot of questions. like what is your glucose and can you have more carbs? before you decide with the freestyle libre 3 system know your glucose and where it's heading no fingersticks needed. now the world's smallest and thinnest sensor sends your glucose levels directly to your smartphone.

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women should be able to decide when and where to start a family. and the alternative, forced birth, is a human rights violation. but once the antiabortion movement sold so much of the country on abortion being separated from the rest of reproductive health care or healthcare itself, it became very easy to demonize women for choosing abortion. and then, poof, roe is struck down. the fundamentally , federal right of women to have rights over their bodies, gone. states were quick to enact bands. post roe america is exposing the lie that brought us here. day, after bloody day. story after heartbreaking story . statistic after horrifying statistic. we are seeing, in real time, what's being denied healthcare looks like because abortion is healthcare. when you ban it, you are banning a procedure that is widely used in miscarriage management to preserve women's

health to save their lives and ensure their future fertility so that they can have children. you are forcing doctors to choose between administering healthcare and jail time. the ripple effect of that are now being seen across every aspect of women's healthcare all over this country. at the democratic national convention this week, amanda zebrowski and caitlin joshua took to the stage to share what had become all too common experiences, women being denied care for a miscarriage. so, here is the thing, the procedure for an elective abortion is the very same procedure that is often needed for miscarriage patients who had intended to have a baby, because abortion is healthcare. and these women were denied healthcare, and they suffered mightily as a result. amanda zebrowski went into sepsis and nearly died because she was refused care in texas. joshua's doctors in louisiana not only refused to treat her

miscarriage, they refused to document that she was even having one, for fear that they would be investigated. when you have physicians and healthcare workers are afraid of investigation and execution that they are setting aside their medical judgment and training and refusing care that they know their patients need, you're doing more than banning abortion, you are undermining the entire system of women's healthcare, and that is being borne out by a lot of alarming new trends, starting with the brain drain of ob/gyn's leaving states with abortion bands bans , simply because they do not feel they can provide adequate medical care under these archaic laws, and they are correct. and what happens when doctors don't want to practice in parts of the country that are openly hostile to their profession? it is what the march of dimes calls maternal healthcare deserts. entire counties without a single obstetric provider, or any hospital or birth center offering obstetric care. these maternity healthcare

deserts are on the rise. that means more people, 7 million women, do not have local access to healthcare. which is why this next troubling statistic makes a lot of sense. new data released from the cdc found an increasing number of mothers receiving no prenatal care at all before giving birth . as you would expect, with an increase in patients who cannot access healthcare, you will see worse healthcare outcomes. a two-lane study found higher mortality rates in states with abortion restrictions, and in texas, infant mortality rose 38% the year after that state's six week abortion ban took effect. the abortion bands are bringing us a drain on qualified doctors , higher mortality rates, higher infant mortality rates, and a nonstop parade of traumatized women who feel compelled to share the horrific stories of what it means to be denied care in post roe america. abortion is healthcare. it is one crucial part of a woman's reproductive care, and

you cannot take it away without dismantling the entire system. joining me now is michelle goodwin, professor of constitutional law and global health policy at georgetown law, most of the podcasts, author of "policing the woman" welcome back, michelle. >> thank you so much for having me on, also for that very thoughtful, meticulous run- through of what has been taking place. it really is so horrific and chilling right now in the united states. >> and it has been so effective. the antiabortion movement has been so effective at separating these things, people have come to think of the idea that if i am not planning to have an abortion or i don't like the idea of an abortion, these things don't affect me, they affect other people. we have tried to illustrate this, you have done this so many times on our show, the statistics of mortality and

healthcare in the united states, shocking numbers, this is the consequence. if you deny this as women's healthcare in general will suffer.>> that is absolutely right. many of the clinics that perform abortion also provide contraception me prenatal care, postnatal care, ovarian cancer screenings, cervical cancer screenings, breast cancer screenings, treatments for sgi's . when those clinics were forced to shutter before the dobbs decision, that wiped away all of that type of access for those that were able to stay open, now, after the dobbs decision, they too have closed, such that we see the statistics that you mentioned, in states with the severe abortion bands bans, not only are there heights and rates of maternal mortality, but we are also seeing infant mortality, and we are seeing things that really do strike at the heart of democracy, when people no longer can govern their bodies, it takes us right back to a terrible place in our history,

which was american slavery. one cannot separate the involuntary servitude that women are being forced through from the period of time to hundred years ago, where african americans no longer were able to govern their bodies because government, and also private individuals, were able to keep them shackled outside of their own personal autonomy, and body liberty. >> you were at the dnc. a lot of people are talking about the celebratory environment the joy, and all of that stuff. what really stood out to me were those women who shared absolute horror stories of miscarriage and being denied care, or requiring an abortion for reasons, regardless of where you stand on abortion, you would agree with. you called it life after dobbs. tell me about what that moment felt like to you. i said it will be very influential to the millions of

americans who either watched it or are seeing the clips of that. >> what it reflects is an abandonment of morality at its core level. it reflects a lot of humanity and human concern. hearing those stories about women who wanted to be pregnant, and were placed in life-and-death situations, near-death situations, deathly situations, save from being able to escape their estates, being able to get the medical healthcare they needed, it is a form of insanity. i think that many people can agree that the period of american slavery was a period of insanity, quote, grotesquely so. the period of jim crow was also that. it was just a reframing of american slavery. and what we see here, i have been sharing , is a new jane crow. we have jim crow in the period after slavery, we have a chain crow now, where women have to flee states, where little girls are forced into elementary and middle school now as mothers.

where the united states leaves all industrial nations in maternal mortality, far beyond even countries that have been described as third world. where infant mortality is staggering. we connect all of this to states with these abortion bans. it is a matter of our democracy , when you take people's ability away to be able to care for themselves, you affect every aspect of their life. if you no longer have bodily autonomy, it affects every aspect of your life. of course, with abortion and reproductive health care access, but so much more too. and that has what has been missing in terms of what people don't understand. in the 2022 midterm elections, there was predicted to be this red wave, a rent tsunami. i was telling people, that was not going to happen, because women were forced into a position where they needed to go out and vote and be very clear about what they understood as the risk to

themselves, to their daughters, and to their nieces. that is a matter of democracy. >> i want to play for you something an alabama state representative told me during our series of "velshi" across america in 2022. let's listen. >> i can see why a doctor, anybody working in that office, healthcare provider, abortion provider, or planned parenthood that does everything besides provide abortions, would now be afraid to talk to anybody that walks into their building. >> that was literally in the immediate aftermath of roe being overturned. that feeling of dread, which maybe sounded exaggerated in august 2022, has only been validated and increased since then. >> that is right. there has been the monitoring, they are surveilling. if you look at project 2025, which mentions abortion nearly 200 times, it really outlines what the next step will be, the national

abortion ban, surveillance of doctors, nurses, and the other medical providers, surveillance of girls and women, it is really an authoritarian state. these are the women and girls with their bodies, and no relief here and what can we understand that as is just points of cruelty. crates of cruelty, girls and women will experience. points of cruelty that-- let's remember, the texas abortion law also bans, allows for individuals to after individuals who aid and abet people who terminate pregnancies. who are those aiders and abettors? yes, it can be your uber or lift driver, but he can also be your mother. imagine a 10-year-old girl who has been raped, who has heard about this law and fear she cannot speak to her mother, her father, cannot speak to her teacher or anyone else . that is not only a kind of shackling and a handcuffing, we should remember that that is a violation of our first

amendment rights as well. all of our constitutional rights are implicated in this and people really need to understand that. >> michelle, great to see you. thank you as always for making these things clear to our audience. host of the podcast "on the issues with michelle goodwin," author of the book, "policing the will". to my fellow republicans, you are voting for a democrat, you are voting for democracy! you aren't betraying our party, you are standing up for our country! >> coming up, i will talk to former trump staffer olivia pence, who used to there about her speech at the dnc this week . as far as she's concerned, no matter your party, there is only one viable choice on

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podcast season, but you definitely already know her voice and reds, because she is the writer and literary producer for our velshi banned book club segments on tv and the podcast. this season, i will be joined by hannah, and a host of amazing authors and guests. of that release, we have today's meeting of the velshi banned book club, in which we are featuring the young adult novel, "whale talk" by chris crutcher. combining humor, pitch perfect dialogue, "will talk" by crutcher is a must read for people of all ages, especially young men. do not miss today's meeting of the velshi banned book club. that is coming up in the next hour. but i've got reading before that, we are turning to chapter 18 of our trusty copy of project 2025 to look at how it plans to undo a multitude of measures that are put in place by the department of labor that protect millions of workers across this country. speaking of roger 2025, it played a big role at this week's democratic national convention. it looks like democrats took a note from our show, clearly, park copies of project 2025

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in today's edition of inside project 2025, we will focus on chapter 18, the department of labor and its related agencies. the first thing i want to show you is a lesson in rhetoric, not policy. i want to go to page 605, in which it says the policy, it is noteworthy because they want to allow states and local governments to block their employees 'right to organizing union. the interesting thing here is how they word it. they do not just take it out right. quote, congress should pass legislation allowing waivers from federal labor laws like the nlra and flsa under certain

conditions. why doesn't the book spell out the laws? because, this thing is decidedly not an exercise in brevity. it is not hundred 22 pages. the reason they don't spell it out is because the nlra, or the national labor relations act of 1935, guarantees a workers right to unionize the workplace. the flsa is the fair labor standards act of 1938 , which guarantees overtime pay. project 2025 what states to be able to ignore these basic and long-held guarantees. forget about undoing roe or even the civil rights movement before that the architects of this document want to take us back even further. they basically want to undo the new deal, but they don't want you to be able to tell that is what they are doing. they are hiding the ball in the hope you won't read it at all. even if you do read it, like my team has, you will not realize project 2025 was to eliminate basic workers rights that

lifted america out of child labor and the sweatshop era. as we covered last week me this book plans to raise taxes for millions of americans. when you pair that with the anti-worker policy plans, this particular chapter, chapter 18, what you have is an all out assault on the working class. let's start with unions. for many, this is the first step to proper representation in the workplace. project 2025 was to make it easier to disband the union by eliminating the contract rule, which states a standard of time for a union to be decertified. union leaders say, eliminating the contract bar rule would undermine their ability to collectively bargain at all. it also calls to eliminate project labor agreements, collective bargaining agreements unique to the construction industry. they are negotiated between unions and contractors before a large project starts to smooth out working conditions and ensure that deadlines can be met. project 2025 wants to appeal the persuader rule here that is

a law that requires companies to disclose the resources that they spend on unionbusting law firms and consulting's. unions used those disclosures to show how much companies are spending to avoid granting workers that are conditions. and project 2025 would weaken joint employer rules for corporations who franchise out there business locations, which would make it more difficult for fast food workers and franchise operations like mcdonald's to unionize. if a worker at one of those franchise locations is seeking damages for unfair treatment, the massive corporation that is before franchisee would be off the hook. these are policies intended to weaken worker and union leverage at every point in the bargaining process. without a union, workers need to advocate for themselves on their own. that would be doing that in a hostile labor market, created by some other suggestions in this book. let's turn to page 604.

project 2025 calls for a appeal of the davis-bacon act, a 93- year-old law that requires publicly funded projects to pay workers a prevailing wage that is paid to other private sector workers in the same arena. revealing that would drive down public project wages at a time when that'll infrastructure construction is on the rise. but it does not stop there. project 2025 takes a stab at overtime pay as well. right now, workers are eligible for overtime pay that is one and a half times their regular rate when they work more than 40 hours a week. i want to go back to page 592 for this month. this is really interesting. project 2025 suggests that employees and employers should be able to set a two or four week period over which to calculate overtime. that means, if you work 45 hours this week, but 35 hours next week, no overtime for you. let's go to page 595 now.

project 2025 suggests the government make it easier for teenagers to seek what they literally call inherently dangerous jobs. let me read this to you. some young adults show an interesting inherently dangerous jobs, current rules forbid many young people, even if it is their family running the business from working in such jobs. with parental consent and proper training, they say, teenagers should be allowed to operate heavy machinery, and that is what our republic was missing, children operating heavy machinery. chapter 18 of project 2025 also takes a strong stance-- children operating heavy machinery. got to have a little fun with project 2025. project 2025 takes a strong stance on discrimination in the workplace. it is in favor of it. on page 583, it reads, well it calls for the rescinding of the

executive order 11246, an executive order signed by president lyndon b. johnson. it prohibits federal contractors from discriminating against any employee or applicant for employment because of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. it has also been amended to include sexual orientation or gender identity. on page 595, project 2025 takes aimed specifically at lgbtq workers. it says, the president should direct those two determining such tax provisions as per evening on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity, transgender status, sex characteristics, et cetera. meaning, workplace discrimination against gender nonconforming americans would no longer be the law of the land . in 36 pages, in chapter 18 we have got teenagers operating heavy machinery, workers death spiral, legalized discrimination . who is this for?

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generally involved, for a reason, because bad things were happening, whether it was child labor or sweatshops, the triangle factory, they were developed to protect and enhance the rights of workers, in many cases, as part of the new deal, coming out of that administration. this stuff really does not make a lot of sense they are talking about doing, other than for corporations to line their pockets. >> if the only goal of your society is helping employers make more money, help people on wall street to make more money, then this plan makes all the sense in the world. the problem is that workers are the father for making profits in this vision for the united states. no fairness, no equity, no concern for safety, no concern for children, even. it is all about making sure wealthy people and wealthy corporations can make more money here that is throughout project 2025. if this book had a theme, that would be one of the major

themes of the book. >> is one of the interesting things, as a former labor secretary, you look at other countries where labor rights are enshrined, workers have healthcare, all sorts of things for me it is better for the economy when workers are safe, protected, don't die on the job, and are satisfied with their jobs. people are more productive. it is kind of like healthcare. it is just better to have labor laws. we are not visiting the 18th century. >> right. in a lot of developed countries, particularly in western and central europe, you don't get the kind of economic swings we see in the united states, because there are institutions that protect working people from suffering that this advantage of economies that turned out. i had a long lecture from ursula vander like, now with the eu, at the time was the german labor minister about how their system of works councils and unions and apprenticeship programs provided them with

protection from the great recession, while we have millions, and millions, and millions of people lose their jobs and billions of dollars coming out of workers 'pockets, they were much more stable. they were much, much more stable because of those institutions. >> in fact, they have unions involved at the corporate level in germany unheard of in america . what we do find, including the last year and a half for me is that when unions and management are caused to have discussions in the right context, generally, things happen that are positive for both sides. >> we have seen the success of collective bargaining. that has been one of the things the last couple of years, it has been some conflict, but we have also seen a huge number of big, complicated issues addressed through the collective bargaining process where labor and management is saying