>> conrad is left looking both backward and forward. >> i mean, i would do anything to take another day, another walk with her. i loved her. and i do love her, still. >> you have a lot of life left, a lot. how are you going to live it? >> to the best of my abilities. >> there are jurors who think he might have done it, but i had reasonable doubt. i couldn't vote to convict. >> well, god bless them. there's a lot of people that do believe in me. >> he's made his own peace with a simple truth. the very thing that freed him, reasonable doubt, could also shadow conrad truman for the rest of his life. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline," i'm andrea canning, thanks for watching.

it was another very fast-moving newsweek. here are some of the conversations you might have missed. >> i yowound up teaching social studies, and coaching football at mankato west high school. go starlets. we ran-- we ran a 44 defense, we played through to the whistle on every single play, and we even won a state championship. never closed the yearbook, people. but it was those players, and my students, who inspired me to run for congress. they saw in me what i had hoped to instill in them, a commitment to the common good. an understanding that we are all in this together. and the belief that a single person can make a real

difference for their neighbors. so there i was, a fortysomething high school teacher, with little kids, zero political experience, and no money, running in a deep red district. but you know what? never underestimate a public school teacher. now i represented my neighbors in congress for 12 years, and i learned an awful lot. i learned how to work across the aisle on issues, like growing the rural economies and taking care of veterans. and i learned how to compromise, without compromising my values. and then i came back to serve as governor, and we got right to work, making a difference in our neighbor's lives.

we cut taxes for the middle class. cl we passed paid family and medical leave. we invested in fighting crime and affordable housing. we cut the cost of prescription drugs and help people escape the kind of medical debt that nearly sank my family. and we made sure that every kid in our state gets breakfast and lunch every day. you know, when i was teaching every year we would elect a student body president, and you know what? those teenagers could teach donald trump a hell of a lot about what leaders are. leaders don't spend all day insulting people and letting others. leaders do the work. so, i don't know about you, i'm ready to turn the page on these guys. so, go ahead, say it with me. we are not going back!

we have got something better to offer the american people. >> andrea, as you watched the speech last night and you see the reception, and as we go back a couple of weeks and we see how much consternation there was when he was the choice over governor schapiro, for example, people saying, what are you doing? you have got to win pennsylvania, you have this dynamic governor, and josh shapiro, the fact of the matter, most people just didn'tt know governor walz, and you get the sense in the room, people have really come around to this guy as vice president. >> and josh shapiro gave a great speech last night, and i d am sort of an adopted pennsylvanian and view that as my roots, for years and years, i was in that camp, but tim walz just nailed it, because of what they need right now. we all have our favorite teachers. our favorite high school coaches.

we all went to those games on thanksgiving day, and he reminds us of our hometowns. big, small, medium size towns, and does, walz, those kids, guys, the children, and one of the kids said on our show. she was a beloved teacher. so, the two of them together, the white guys in red states that they are trying to reach in small-town america, in western central pennsylvania, i think he really plays in that area. >> it was striking, we have been talking about this all week, we see the themes that democrats are leaning into, it is a most disorienting,

sometimes it feels like the republican convention, which is taking back patriotism, taking back the flag, taking that the u.s. a chance we have seen, friday night lights, all of the things that we have seated over the generations to republicans, democrats say, no, that is a stroke, we are all-american. >> and that really underscores, first of all, the incredible change we have seen in the dynamics of this race, but also this party in particular over the last four weeks. and the thing about walz and to andrea's point, there is this rolling revelation with him. i mean, the power of newness, yes, familiarity, but there is so much newness and walz has been proving this the past few weeks. and i think democrats obviously hope that that continues. >> and i think it is-- we should note the evolution. this occurred as the week has s gone on. and many speakers, since pe including the play master delivered an emotional tribute as president, but also a

decision to step away, and then the obama's sort of acted as that point on tuesday, now we are changing the competitions to talk about the future nominee last night, kamala harris, joe and mika, and there is a sense, it can't be overstated, and this is not to denigrate president biden his time in office there is a sensee of joy and relief over a question that have been hanging around the for 2 years, and of course, just got that much heavier after that led to debate as to what we do now. and i was talking to some former aides yesterday, who said in their hearts, we are not sure if he could win anymore. and now we had a fighting chance and every speaker, we have heard it from the obama's, this race will be closed. we are going to stress that too. there will be hard day said, we are going to fight, they now believe with momentum on their i side they have a chance, and tonight, vice president harris addressing the biggest audience she ever has, has a chance to tell the american who she is,

what she stands for and where nd she will take country. >> and that she does this, this is a tale of two campaigns. you have the democratic campaign hitting on all cylinders, in a way nobody expected, let alone a month ago. trump tax u.s. economic state baselessly alleging an a electoral scheme. the to republican nominee also focused on policy issues and formally pulled the crowd in north carolina on whether they preferred personal attacks against, where is. republican presidential nominee, donald trump, introduced a new premise for doubting the election results in advance on with it, turning routine professional revisions of government economic statistics into a baseless allegation of political manipulation. trump revised job creation numbers at the bureau of labor statistics released on when they , as an accidental disclosure, without presenting any evidence, he accused biden-

harris of manipulating job statistics to rig the 2024 election. it is remarkable how unmoral he is, even by his own standards out there. admitting he can't stay focused on economic issues, admitting he can't stay focused on c political issues, he just wants to attack. >> he is all over the map and it is just about donald, donald, donald, i was at the rnc last month and it wasn't like a showcase of the best of the party. you didn't have former presidents up there, you didn't have the next generation of republicans. it was an a mosh to praising donald trump did you know, they celebrated like it was the inauguration, and think about the difference in the last four days. this hasn't just been about kamala harris and introducing tim walz. you have seen this lineup, from pete buttigieg to westmoore, on

and on and on, these extraordinary next-generation democrats who are showing you where the party is going, and really hit the best note, which is, they have reclaimed patriotism. right? westmoore has been trying to doe this and talking about it since he started running for governor ireland two years ago. think about the amount of flags and stars & stripes we have seen over the past few days, if the volume is down on your tv at your squinting, you might think you are watching the rnc, and this is so rattling for donald trump, and just to hear n them over and over, you don't hear them saying, my fellow democrats, they are saying my fellow americans, you talk about your neighbor, you saw bill clinton and barack obama talk about, extend that olive branch, show more race. the opposite of what republicans are doing right now. these are dark, dark times. democrats seem to be turning on the licensing come on in. >> it is, democrats are turning a new page, from reagan's optimism and talking about how

great america is. you look at the economy stronger than anybody else, militarily the rest of the world anytime, since 1945, culturally stronger than ever before. i mean, in every single week of this country is doing exceptionally well. and you have idonald trump calling america a feeling country. you have donald trump calling america a stupid country. you have donald trump, saying america is in decline. there is no data that comes close to suggesting that, and when he does that, well, he invites the retort. the usa, usa. he makes the democratic party the party of patriotism, the party of people who are actually proud to be americans. even the olympics. i was sort of tuned out the first couple of days of the

olympics. we were away, and i wasn't looking at social media, i wasn't looking at news. three or four days later i went back on twitter and i was like oh, conservatives hate the olympics, why do they hate the olympics? oh, because the french were being wrench, right? e so, the rest of america-- >> because they misunderstood the opening ceremonies, because they didn't actually pay attention. >> because it is much better for them to be outraged all the time. >> so, america cheers for team america. and you have the agreed grieved trump party attacking the olympics, and it is just -- that is the story of our political time right now. >> you mentioned reagan. from a marketing point of view do an updated morning in america. because basically this distinctive statistics you use today for democrats blow away reagan's 1984 good morning america.

and that would be the ultimate finger to republicans. >> really the-- again, you look at the optimism from the democratic arctic, as a former republican, it is not something that i am used to. i am used to democrats wringing their hands, not exactly sure, knowing-- how certain to be on i policy issues, when i was joking to tim miller, if mi anybody broke out in a chance of usa, usa, everyone would look over their shoulder and lo say what? what? i think nancy pelosi started talking. i mean, she always has, she is a person of deep faith, but she started talking quickly about faith in a pretty aggressively a decade ago in the public sphere, that is something the democrats just didn't do. and you started seeing nancy pelosi and others start to do that. and it is just like, again, it is just sort of a 180 change for both parties.

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>> when donald trump comes down to texas, stands next to officers in uniform just like mine, he is not there to help us. don't think that, not for a second. he is a self-serving man, just like when he killed the border bill. , he just made our jobs harder. , live, on the other hand, has been fighting border crime for years. she has gone down to mexico, in an effort to stop the traffickers, and when the traffickers didn't stop, she put them in jail. >> that is the sheriff of beer county, texas, javier salazar last night, where immigration was a major theme. democrats reminding voters that demented track democrats swinging to kill a bipartisan

bill negotiated earlier this year. >> let's be clear, the porter is broken, but this year, when democrats and republicans work together to finally write new border laws, we were blocked. we all know who sabotaged us. >> we will have much more security in the border if trump hadn't tanked the partisan bill. books, we don't have to choose between a secure border and building in america for all. under president harris, we can and will do both. >> trump killed that bill, and he did it, because he knew that if we fix the border, he would lose his ability to divide us. his ability to fan the flames of fear about people who come from different places.

>> in the menu just heard there, democratic senator, chris murphy of connecticut joins us now. of course he is one of the lead negotiators of that bipartisan border bill. senator, good morning it is great to have you with us. we started talking shorthand about this bill you and james langford. had worked for months on. something the republicans said they wanted. we should remind people what was in that bill and why the to call it one of the strongest immigration packages in at least a generation, maybe many many, and that donald trump came in the end until that. walk us through a little bit, some of the particulars of the bill and what happened in the end. >> it's been about five months, because immigration law is complicated silver bullet to problems at the porter. but here's what we did come a $20 billion of border security, that means a lot more border agents and crossing people at the border. we gave the president a pretty remarkable emergency power to stop processing asylum claims.

we need to fund a reform of the asylum system. and they often get to stay here for 10 years, before the process. most of them don't actually qualify for some. that is not fair. we reduce that time from 10 years down to a couple of weeks and then just increase the number of people who come here through legal means right? through a visa system to reunite with a family or a get a job, because there's not a lot of pressure at the border because there are other ways to come here. donald trump voted for that bill and realized it would not solve the problem but make the border manageable. and once you realize that this bill actually was going to be effective at solving most of the problem he came to the simple conclusion that he couldn't win the reelection of the border wasn't advanced and he took all of his lieutenants to kill the bill. >> you know very well that progressives were upset about the package because it was too's stuck on the board.

what was the reaction from republicans, when donald trump came in and very publicly told speaker johnson to get rid of this thing? were they shocked? were they disappointed or they just couldn't see and had to do what he says? >> it was just acquiescence. i give credit to senator langford who stood his ground even after that bill. james langford was on conservative talk shows defending it, but on sunday, right before we unveiled the bill i think we had about 20 republican votes for that bill, and they were pretty solid votes , at about 8:00 p.m. that night, steve miller, trump's immigration guy tweeted out that we were against the bill, and by the time we woke up on monday morning we were down four votes. that is how quick people folded. so, there wasn't much pushback from republicans, they just took their instructions. >> so, what is your sense now of the position of the harris- walz campaign finds itself in

because of what you just laid out, which is, this has been an issue that donald trump thought he owned and he could say that kamala harris was in charge of the border for all of those months and all of that happened between now and now. simply i will sign it, end of story. >> it is a really easy story for people to understand, because they don't believe trump is sincere, they believe he is out from himself. and trump decided that he wanted the border to be a mess because it helped politically, people get that. people care about it. it is a real-life political issue. between the border bill, between crossings being lower today at the southern border than they were at the end of the trump administration and, harris's work to successfully stem migration from central america, the specific job she was given. there is a good story to tell

about how democrats are much tougher on border security than republicans >> he ordered the bill killed for political reasons. these politics have ended democrats a point here, i want to turn to-- you also saw the foreign relations committee. there have been protests here in chicago, perhaps not as widespread or chaotic as many have believed, but they are still here. night after night at the arena. what is your sense of the ongoing talks right now by administration officials on the verge of breaking down? were you want assess this be struck? >> i think a deal can get done, but i think the chances seem to be narrowing, day by day. they are narrowing because i think, both hamas and benjamin netanyahu are coming to the conclusion that they might be better off without an agreement. and i don't know that we can ever reason with a terrorist

group, but it is disappointing that the prime minister continues to put his political survival, which he may think is enhanced, by keeping stalemates open ahead of the sympathy of his country and the priority of securing hostages. so, i'm worried about our ability to get a deal and escalation with iran, i'm worried about keeping the border as calm as possible. this is a real dangerous 30 day period we are headed to if that cease-fire deal falls apart we are going to have an even harder time containing the situation throughout the region restrictions are going to be on the count ground over the next few weeks. >> and those hostages in israel now, 300.1 days. we heard a stirring testimony last night. before he let you go, senator, generally your feelings about what has been happening the last three or four days, what will happen tonight given where your party was a month ago

even? which was, president biden steps aside, is kamala harris the right person for this job? all of those conversations that were happening, what you make of what you see here this week? >> yeah, i don't think i've been through anything like this right? now i am glad we spent a bunch of time this week honoring joe biden and trumpeting and talking about the successes of his administration, but the joy in this hall is contagious. and i think, like 2008, 2024 will be a year, where literally millions of people are going to begin their political journey, that this campaign is going to be happy to bring in millions of young people all across the country, who are going to make the difference for kamala harris in this election, so, it just feels like one of those campaign seasons that you are going to remember for a long time. i am just absolutely privileged

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♪ i am, i said ♪ ♪ ♪ senate majority leader, chuck schumer also rally democrats. >> look at this. >> him on. >> get it, senators. he made his way to the podium. during the address he threw his support behind kamala harris., layer is made a bold prediction that democrats would not only retain, but expand their majority control of the united dates senate. and leader schumer joins us now. leader schumer i'm sure your staff is aware of the many means this morning for that stands. >> this is a happy convention,

and i was so happy. >> we saw it, we saw it. we can talk about kamala harris in just a moment in hopes that democrats will hold onto the white house, but from where you are sitting, one other concern i know about president biden holding onto the race was the senate down ballot. what has changed at the top of this ticket meant for your hopes around those elections? >> will you know, truth be told, our senate candidates in our battleground states went ahead before president biden, in an act of courage and strength and humility wasn't running again, but if you look at the recent polls, the numbers are hard to believe our candidates are up seven, eight, 10, 12, but we are up by quite a bit, and why is that? because like you said, you show those beginning clips of the

conventions raised, that was fabulous. but the bottom line is that the public is on our side, they don't want to go back to trump. one, the democrats are moving forward, i have been to every convention since 1984, this is not only the happiest convention, the most unified convention, but also the most intent on winning. because we know the danger of trump. and 30 so many american voters, who couldn't decide between biden and trump, but now are clearly moving in harris's direction. and one more thing. she has her hand on the full polls, the finger on the pulse of what people need. one of the most brilliant thing she did was the $25,000 down payment. housing is a huge problem in america and one of the biggest problems that younger people have is not that they can't afford the month monthly

mortgage payment, but they don't have the money saved for the down payment. $25,000 hoping with a down payment is going to be huge, and not just in urban areas. rural america faces a housing crisis too. so, there's so much year. we just feel so good. what can i tell you? >> your senate candidates have momentum now, but the map for the upper chamber is, as you all know, challenging. you got a lot of people off guard, when you said the democrats expand the majority of the senate and push it as to where you see that happening. west virginia, ohio, montana, what else state or two could win? >> we talked about freedom and choice and if you take eight battleground states with incumbents and florida in texas florida has a portion on the ballot. florida, arizona, montana, and nevada. and the issue of freedom appeals

to a lot of red states. a state like -- you know, some of these western states are libertarian, in that they don't want anyone telling them what to do with their guns, but they also don't want anyone, particularly the government telling them what to do with women's buddies, and like joe said, the numbers are like the 1%. that is a good chunk of republicans. >> you are just talking about freedom, that is more than just reproductive freedom. it seems to be the mantra of what they are saying. tim walz does it will, with mind your own business. but it seems if you keep on this freedom theme , freedom to live what you want and love what you want all throughout the convention. so, can you expand on how this theme of freedom cuts across many areas? >> it does, it cuts across areas beyond the issue of choice. it cuts across the issue of who you want to marry, and how you want to engage in that way.

and also, there is a different type of freedom. you know, freedom when trump talks about freedom, he is talking about freedom, and president obama did this very well last night, freedom of the very wealthy to do whatever the hell they want. but if you want to have a decent paying job for your family, or a decent education, you don't have the freedom to just pick any job you want, and so, this area of freedom, of giving people choices, not telling them what to do, but giving them choices, i think will extend into the economic arena as well. not just in housing, but in terms of job training and a rapidly moving world. obama was very smart on that. to have a good life that they want are less available. that doesn't mean picking and choosing, but that means providing ladders and i think that is going to especially reduce have a real points to it

and a sharpness to it that will help us. >> majority leader, chuck schumer of new york. more dancing please, if you could. >> i am dancing, sitting nicely here. never been to a better convention. wow. you have done such a great job, but also, just one more thing. it is also the most unified convention, in terms of winning. there is a negative year. the negative is, we know we cannot have donald trump as president. they know we cannot, and more and more americans are realizing that. so, it is not only what we are doing, our happiness, exultation and optimism. it is also the fear of going back to one of the best chances we had was when our good candidate in maryland said we want go back and the whole place erupted. >> senator, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. up next, former president trump is now outsourcing voter turnout operations. we will discuss why that could be a mistake for his campaign.

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vice president, kamala harris is writing a wave of momentum. >> it is easy to see why he appealed the donald trump, a little more challenging to see how he is supposed to appeal to a general election delegate. >> it will be about expanding these places. >> the vice president abroad is considered someone who has a soft touch, or a talk talk. >> there are people that want what's donald trump and jd vance sell. david, let's talk about the other side here. it gets into the sort of-- we talk all the time about the blocking and tackling in the politics are. your new piece says this is how donald trump is outsourcing their voter turnout operation. so, telus what you found and how that could potentially pose a danger to the gop. >> yeah, this is really fascinating. early this year, ronald mcdaniel

mentioned the republican national committee was planning a ground game similar to what we saw from republicans in 2020 and 2016. in other words, very effective, very modern. there were field offices deploying troops, and they were going to do what republicans have been doing, since they reorganize their field operations after 2012 when obama kind of clean their clock in that race against romney. donald trump pushes out mcdaniel, highrollers michael wadley, and nothing about wadley here, but what donald trump has been telling allies and he started saying this early this year is don't worry about the ground game i will get out the voters you just make sure they don't cheat, and that is where a lot of the resources are going, and what they decided to do was outsource a lot of the doorknocking, and all of the direct-mail and text messaging and all of that. and by the way, i report this early in the year and donald trump starts to really submit a lead over joe biden, so guess what? it doesn't matter.

the ground game get you one point, two points, maybe 2 1/2, and with his lead in the swing states, it wasn't going to matter that the biden campaign had this behemoth of an operation, doing everything right. in a race, where it is now a tossup, where this thing could go by a few thousand votes here or there, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, and particular we are looking at arizona and georgia back and play, it matters the republicans have jettisoned their voter turnout operation that worked so well for the former president in two campaigns. he came up just short in 2020, and so, we are going to see now, with the harris campaign and all of the resources they have, if this can make a difference. the vice president is going to have to keep it close, but it really couldn't matter. >> this is such an important point. such a critical point and it is one that i have been following closely. i remember in 2007, you know,

early on, it was barack obama against hillary clinton, it was like oh, the clinton political machine is going to just grind him up. and there's no way. and then he announced how much money he had raised that i go oh, okay. this could be interesting. then in the middle of the summer, 2007, i read an article that said the obama campaign was taking all of that money and putting it into the ground gang and i said gang on. okay, okay, wait a second, this is a different type of challenge, and if he is putting all of that money into a ground game, then game on. this is going to be an amazing race, and this year i am thinking the same thing about the trump campaign. in an opposite way. not investing in the ground gang. and i will say, even in the darkest hours of the biden campaign you would talk to the campaign officials and they would say have put so much

money into the ground game in wisconsin and michigan and pennsylvania, you know, even, we are having some problems right now, but we are building up dylan, the team building up an extraordinary ground game. and so, here we are in a close race this is the blocking and tackling of american politics, and you have got one site doing it, the other side outsourcing it. you do not want to outsource your blocking and tackling drills. they are like third parties, you need the campaign to be on top of it, and they are just not. >> yeah, you outsource-year-old lines, they will get you to leave your quarterback in danger. i think, joe, i learned this from your the years, retail politics are absolutely essential, knocking on the doors, making contact and just think about the implication, the impact of that down ballot. so, not only will it help kamala harris, the top hopeful,

from my vantage point, it will help down ballot, they turnout in large and historic numbers, and like a bomb obama michelle said, they will turnout massive numbers, so there's no question here. so i think that will make a difference. >> no question. >> i think it will make a big difference, and by the way, if she wins, i need to talk to doug, because i have had experience, i was sort of the first gentlemen of morning joe. the dennis thatcher of morning joe. like i learned, they will be like -- >> i don't even get it. >> always behind me. so she is-- everybody talks about it. it should be called morning makeup. >> opening doors for her. to beat behind her. >> people are there for her. >> oh lord.

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and you can help lift up this nation and all its people to the place where the heart is without fear, and the head is held high, where knowledge is free, where the world has not been broken up into fragments, or narrow domestic walls, where words come out from truth and tireless driving stretches its arms towards perfection, where a clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit, where the mind is led forward by ever widening thought and action into that heaven of freedom. dear father, let our country

awake. thank you. >> dear father, let our country awake. that was emmy award-winning actor, martin sheen, in washington, d.c. this past weekend. reprising his role, as president jim bartlett, from the tv show, the west wing, that presidential sermon took place at an event for the new book, in which sheen figures prominently, titled what is next? a backstage pass to the west wing, it's cast and crew, and its enduring legacy of service. and martin joins us now, along with the co-author of what's next, melissa fitzgerald. she appeared in all seven seasons of the west wing, as carol fitzpatrick and assistance to the fictional administration's press secretary, cj greg. thank you all both so much for being with us. martin, it is always such a tremendous honor having you here, and it was so moving when

you said, dear father, let our country awake. i wonder if you could, talk to us about this historic time, this, this troubling time that we find ourselves passing through, as a nation. >> well, thank you for inviting us to be a part of this show at this historic time. likely earlier at the synagogue, not mine or aaron sorkin's, but were from the laureate, one of the great poets from india, and i learned that: years ago while i was working in india, but they are so appropriate, so whenever i speak in public i always and whatever remarks i am giving, to whom ever i am giving them too, so i'm glad you played that. yeah. i think that, you know, clearly there's a round swell in the

country. i am thinking back to reagan's first run, when he said, it is a new morning in america, and he called america the shining city on a hill. that is the new jerusalem, from the old testament, and that is what is happening in the whole country right now, and it is so rewarding and so rushing and so exciting to have joy back in our political life, and our conversation. >> martin, i've been a real fan of the show. in fact, i have on my traveling ipad, all of the seasons. i watch it over and over when i started having access president obama i almost to the rooms from watching the show. so, i am asking you this. when you decided not to run again, because of the show, health reasons, and then we saw president biden take a real

position and not run again this time both of you deferring, one fictional, when in reality, and supporting a person of color for the first time you become president and in the script. case, a latina, and in this case, a black asian woman, did you think about the parallels when you heard what biden would do, and where we are as a country now, dealing with something that, in fiction, you had people adjust to, and we are adjusting to in reality that we are talking about, a woman, and a woman of color for the first time in american history? >> when we were doing the show, we filmed that in our last season in 2006, so, we had no idea what was in store, but the show has always been relevant, since we began in 1999, and it is still relevant today, to a lot of new viewers that are finding it on the streaming, on

various networks and so, it is still a source of inspiration, and there are so many areas, not just, you know-- in the historic time we are living through with a transfer of power, the passing of the torch to a younger, more vibrant candidate, in this case, vice president harris, but you know- - somebody said this the other day, when we were at the white house that, it-- with the possible exception of jimmy carter, no president in our lifetime has ever made a more courageous, patriotic, and selfless decision, and you are going to see a groundswell tonight, of course at the convention that phrase, thank you joe, it is going to be resounding throughout the nation, throughout the world. thank you from a grateful nation, from a grateful world, your courage, your insight and you are laying aside your personal ambition to the country.

to the people and his legacy has grown enormously. so, we had the chance to think and in person, and gosh, i am just tongue-tied even talking about it even though i am a went back. but you know-- >> we have a second hour of morning joe on this sunday morning, coming up right after the break. ♪ me and my friends ♪ ♪♪ ♪ we feel the height of lustful life ♪ ♪ when we're together ♪ life is better with the credit gods are on your side. rewards once available to the few are now accessible to the many. credit one bank. get cash back rewards, and live large. (music playing)

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in new york 2:00 p.m. in israel. middle east on edge as israel launches what it calls preemptive strikes on hezbollah targets in lebanon. israeli defense forces firing rockets into southern lebanon this morning. israel says it carried out the air assault after learning of a planned large-scale attack in retaliation for the assassination of top hezbollah commander help hose hezbollah returned fire. secretary of defense lloyd austin spoke on the phone with israel's minister of defense reaffirming america's full ironclad commitment to israel's defense. joining us now in tel aviv nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley. what more can you tell us about these attacks? >> reporter: yeah, everybody is waiting to see if this is it a

hezbollah says the operation was completed and accomplished. now, the israelis have also been signaling it looks as though they are satisfied it is over and israeli officials i spoke with this morning essentially said they don't think that the israeli security establishment has the appetite or desire to escalate any further to punish hezbollah anymore than they already have. but there's an interesting disparity in information between the two sides. hezbollah has disputed what he israelis described as preemptive strike. hezbollah said they were the one who is fired on israelis and they were the ones who are retaliating for the assassination of a senior hezbollah operative and military leader last month. we are waiting to hear from the iranians. like hezbollah, the iranians, which are the primary backers of hezbollah, vowed to retaliate against ies rayies for the assassination of a senior hamas leader in central

tehran. ismail haniyeh. peeve not seen retaliation but it may be coming. the word from israelies side is there's suspicion that the iranians will wait to hear more about what happens with the peace negotiations that are now starting again in cairo. the peace negotiations to bring a measure of peace to the gaza strip and free remaining hostages and palestinian prisoners in israeli jails. this is a situation that could be ongoing. but as far as we have seen, this very limited engagement, which really while bigger, and involved more munitions than fighting we have seen so far since october, it is in style and more or less the same thing we have been seeing for months. it doesn't represent a massive departure from the kind of fighting that we have seen ever since october 7th when hezbollah on october 8th the day after when hezbollah

started to strike northern israel. so, this really looks like a face saving climb down for both sides. more of the coined of showmanship and sort of symbolism we saw back in april. when the iranians launched a barrage of missile retaliating for israeli strike against iranian basically a diplomatic location inside syria. that was when the iranians, if you remember in the missile barrage, fires hundreds of missiles at israelis and israel shot them down and both sides climbed down from what looks like an event bringing the region to a region wide war. this might be something like that. hezbollah has basically said, they have completed and accomplished all their goals. we are about to hear, supposedly, from the secretary general of hezbollah, maybe within the next several hours. he may say that hezbollah brought the fight to the israelis, and they were successful, and now they don't have to retaliate anymore. if that's the case, and it

looks like, the region might have averted the worst. remember, this was a major concern for american diplomats as well. one of the reasons why there was a renewed push behind the negotiations to try to free the hostages. that negotiation is now going on in cairo and it was happening in doha a couple days ago but look as though the u.s. was preparing for the worst as well. they deployed not one but two aircraft carriers strike groups along with nuclear arms submarine. and if this is the event, if this is the hezbollah retaliation and if iran has no intention to retaliate more than that, so far, then the whole region might have a averted the worst nightmare. >> big if, of course. help mow square your reporting with what we heard this morning from israel's military chief spokesperson who warned israel was facing a significant week

ahead. was that in reference to the strikes, a reference to the ongoing negotiations, or something else? >> reporter: we don't really know because there's been intelligence talking about -- intelligence that led to the preemptive strike. this could be a significant week ahead in terms of the negotiations. now israeli official i spoke with today said that there is some sort of optimism there has been some kind of meeting of minds in cairo, especially with regard to the latest and most significant demand by israelis, put in the way of reaching the negotiated peace and insistence of maintaining troops that what's called the philadelphia corridor another term for the border between the gaza strip and egypt. that insistence by israelis has widely been credited for holding up the talks even though the united states said hamas has been holding up the talks. this was a major issue. not just for hamas but also for

the egyptians of course that share a border with the philadelphia corridor. so, now it sounds as though all of the negotiators will go back to cairo, there may be some kind of progress on that one sticking point. whether or not these negotiations succeed, they have not succeed for the past eight month since november. it's unlikely they will succeed now despite the burst of optimism from the administration. at the same time if negotiations are successful, it wouldn't just bring a measure of peace to the gaza strip. it wouldn't just free the remaining israeli hostages in gaza. it could appease a lot of other warring factions like hezbollah that was part of the dust up and iranians for who vowed to retaliate for the assassination of ismail haniyeh. it's a high stakes negotiation. roar remember the biden adstrays has lot of skin in the

game. outgoing biden administration facing the election in a couple months and it sounds cynical we hear from washington types all the time, they would like to see major foreign policy victory before this election. freeing the remaining hostages in the gaza strip and bringing peace to this war, this conflict that killed more than 40,000 palestinians more than 40,000 people in the gaza strip, according to gazan health authorities, that would be a major win for a lame duck joe biden administration. >> in addition to aid and medical care to palestinians. >> reporter: yes. >> matt bratly, it's my understand you spent the better part of the last month in lebanon when you speak of the optimism of the leaders who are speaking to you, off the record, behind the scenes, is that optimism shared by the people of lebanon? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely not the. people of lebanon are

pessimistic when it comes to the negotiations. there's about a lot of diplomacy in lebanon. they have been doing a great deal shuteling between here and tel aviv and jerusalem and beirut trying to get hezbollah on side trying to get them through intermeet aries to step back from the brinks of escalating the conflict over lebanon's southern border with israel. so, there's not a lot of optimism but there's a lot of dread. because lebanon is a country that's in the fifth year of a financial crisis. and it is still smarting 20 years later from israeli incursion a month-long war between hezbollah and israel. and when we talk about the threat of israeli invasion of lebanon, all minds go back to 2006, back when there was that month-long conflict that killed more than 1,000 lebanese people most hi civilians, and just battered and flat nd infrastructure all across southern lebanon, including the southern parts of the capital

beirut. no one in lebanon wants to see that happen again. and the country simply can't afford it. hezbollah cannot afford it. but hezbollah a much more power than than it was 20 years ago thought by the cia and other analyst, to have something like 150,000 projectiles, many very sophisticated weapons if a more sophisticated by the way, than the rockets that were just used overnight in that attack. the seam weapons that were used back in 2006, we know that hess bow ha-has much more sophisticated weapons and we know now they are keeping them in reserve. they didn't use them in the attack overnight. they have those. and they still could use them which is maybe a little bit of a hint this is not over or hezbollah is keeping eat dry to wait for the worse war. >> the question of is this over. what is it you will be watching for in the coming days? >> reporter: well, what we are watching for is the

negotiations going on in cairo. that will determine how iran will behave. and as i mentioned before hezbollah and iran vowed to retaliate against israelis. this might be hezbollah's retaliation. israelies seem to believe this was the extent of the retaliation. hezbollah has indicated this was the extent of the retaliation, but we are still waiting on iran. and when we are waiting on iran, we are waiting on negotiations ongoing in cairo. so that's a really big next step. negotiations in cairo is not just about the gaza strip. it is about the entire region so that's why the u.s. and other countries are pouring so much effort, so much diplomat he can sweat and tears into the negotiations. because it could mean averting a region wide war. >> matt bradley, thanks. tune into the weekend at 8:00 a.m. eastern for more on the breaking news and latest here

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you know our opponents in this race are out there every day denigrating america. talking about how terrible everything is. well, my mother had another lesson she used to teach. never let anyone tell you who you are. you show them who you are. america, let us show each other and the world who we are. and what we stand for. freedom, opportunity,

compassion, dignity, fairness, and endless possibilities. we are the heirs to the great of the democracy in the history of the world. and on behalf of our children, and our grandchildren, and all those who sacrificed so dearly, for our freedom and liberty, we must be worthy of this moment. it is now our turn to do what generations before us have done. guided by optimism, and faith to fight for this country we love, to fight for the ideals

we cherish and uphold the awesome responsibility that comes with the greatest privilege on earth. the privilege and provided of being an american. >> i think kamala harris n a sense over the past month, has done such an extraordinary job with this rollout. people, i just -- i know that they are going to be issues out there with certain people, but it's jut something that needed to be said last night. she is a strong powerful leader. she's done something over the past month that nobody in american history has done. >> what i loved watching is that there were many strong powerful women on stage. and it was very unspecial. it was just incredibly great in terms from know your value perspective, i was happy to see so many accomplished women playing a role and it was not kind of like something you would put quotes around.

christina, it was sort of we have arrived to an extent. >> right. we have come a long way. we have a long way to go. >> oh, yeah. >> as michael mentioned, we have yet to have a black female governor. >> and we need our freedoms back. >> that part too and don't forget kamala harris is the second black elected u.s. senator in the history of the nation. carol mosely braun in the year 1992. we have a long way to go. what i thought was powerful about the speech which you know i was texting friends saying it did give state of the union vibes. but, when you have elected of colors they dedescriptive representation and substantive representation. and you said, kamala harris is you can see this. i am the child of two immigrants a woman i don't need to be amoving ahead i want to talk about subtives representation here are the issues of concern to me. one is a woman's right to choose and autonomy of her body

and the other is the economy. which by the way a woman's right to choose is a economic issue point blank. let's talk about housing and international affairs. yes, female leaders do tend to be hawkish we think about the rhetoric of hillary clinton because they can't be seen as weak or demuir or two too scared of the international stage so we are going to hear language some people may clutch their pearls and say oh my goodness a woman is saying -- okay, my. >> wow. >> we are talking about fighter jets. yes, we are. and as commander in cheer. >> are you going to make it? >> you know, she did say commander in chief in her speech. to -- help people understand i am not just going to be the president. of the united states. i will be the commander and chief of the army, military and forces that go internationally and abroad. to represent the united states of america. so, a lot of democrats do bristle a the that language that we are used to hearing from men and quite honestly

more from republicans. but this is, as we keep saying, a conversation we have to have with the vast majority of americans. we know only 60% of the voting eligible voting population bothers to turn out. >> you did a distribution curve earlier and talked about ideology. most people are here. i make another argument i think kamala harris has that barack obama has going for her, nothing to do with, like, the color of their skin, their background, their appearance. and it's a curve of normalcy. right? and they're here, like kamala harris is here, i had a reporter who has been reporting for 40, 50 years, and really cynical guy, and he said, the thing i never saw until this week when i saw her up close walking through, dealing with people, how normal she was. i said i didn't realize she is

relacked with who she is, and she is solidly middle class. right? and so, you got that curve. and you got middle class and then you got weird and irsur rex moist and weirder. >> and this is getting weirder and weider. i remind people when they start talking about oh, barack obama got elected and people freaked out because he is a racist country. and he said do you realize barack obama, a black man is the only democrat since fdr to get a majority of the vote in america. and he did that over 50%. he did that by going to counties, in iowa, and in ohio, across upper midwest and that were predominantly white. why? because i remember when i saw barack obama and i said this before, you know, he is a crying and -- i thought i went to law school with that guy. this is like what are you

freaking out about? he is an american. right? i think we are there with kamala like she is in the normalcy range. it's the white guy she is running against who are going to have to fend off the weird flies we have to remember, barack obama used jesse jackson's 50 state strategy in the counties. we have to always give a nod to jesse jackson not just the race in '848 but successful race in 1988. two, you know i think you mentioned it earlier, people are exhausted. >> yes. >> the donald trump show is exhausting. waking up every morning checking your phone to see what madness the man has gotten us into. that's another piece and kamala harris is saying if we are a party and if we are a country, of moving forward here are the policy proceed proprossals. i tell students work on a campaign and drive cross country. driving cross country helps you understand how one person is

supposed to unify all of us and you see similarities. >> so many. >>s this the tim walz story when he talks about plastic on the couch. everyone's grandparents had plastic on couch. this is kamala harris saying these things you know, a lot of immigrant parents told children parents of color told their children working class parents told their children about how you have to work twice as hard to get half as much. how you have to make sure you show people who you are. don't be defined by other pool's expectations of you. >> still ahead on morning joe, pulitzer prize winner photographer david couple hennerly is next. morning joe will be right back. morning joe will be right back. e through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan. let's go whiskers. jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday. you only turn 30 once. and jen z? her credit's golden. hello new apartment. three jens getting ahead with chase. solutions that grow with you.

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our next guest was here in chicago all week capturing image from the convention hall behind us. pulitzer prize win erin chief white house photographer for

gerald ford david hume kennerly the 16th national convention first remember this one, david, kansas city, 1976. >> no i don't remember it. >> good to see you. >> it's the only election ronald reagan ever lost. >> that's right. >> yeah. >> that's a good bit of trivia. >> you get the moment and instant, that stays forever. and there's one moment you got i think is just beautiful. and it shows kamala back stage as joe biden is talking. and her weeping. it obviously very moving to her, as it was for joe biden and if we can get the next picture of joe biden. >> we have. >> there when he was talking as well. but, yeah, you get -- some great moments here. >> thanks, joe. that's what i live to do. and she really did react when biden was standing at the

podium and just a standing long rolling applause. i think some of it was probably in relief that they now have a candidate who is going to become president of the united states. but, that photograph of joe biden was a moment and it has to be incredibly overcoming for him, and i really -- i didn't think he would go out, but he did. and he is a great person. >> yeah, it's an amazing shot. let me ask you, we are book nd ending two conventions probably the most two most unique conventions of your professional lifetime. 1976, i still remember it. reagan and ford. the last convention that really mattered. you didn't know for sure that ford was going to nail that down. until he did.

and then of course, this convention in '24 all these years later, a convention-like any other. compare the two, just talk about your memories over all the years of covering conventions. >> well, 1976, you had couple white guys there. which is pretty normal for the american political system. but, i was president ford's chief white house photographer and i was back stage with him. and he picked bob dole at that convention. he mean, there was -- it was really dramatic. but i think what happened here, and this is way more of a tv show on one end, but i really felt the good vibe here. i mean, i think kamala harris has become the story, sorry for donald trump, because he is not going to be the person people care about anymore other than

to see him go. but, this was probably the best convention i covered, and think on every level, it was fantastic. not just the staging of it but the feeling of it. and think i caught that in the photographs. >> david, the photos are extraordinary. they are classics. >> they are beautiful thank you so much for documenting history former chief white house photographer david hume kennerly. thanks for being on the show. >> the kid is pretty good at what he does. >> yeah. >> i predict he has a future with a camera. up next donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election were front and center at the dnc this week. we will show you how the harris campaign won't let voters forget about january 6th. vote forget about january 6th. shingles doesn't care. but shingrix protects. only shingrix is proven over 90% effective. shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients or to a previous dose. an increased risk of guillain-barré syndrome

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>> excited. >> i think i pulled a muscle trying to do that but we made it happen. >> well-done and by the way, we got a call from all of the restaurants that have sneeze guards on the salad bars and you are bared from all of them. thank you, jacob. well-done. of them. thank you, jacob. well-done. trying to breach and get to the capitol. >> we have a breach of the capitol. breach of the capitol. >> my pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done and protect our country and our constitution. >> bring out pence. >> hang mike pence.

>> push forward. >> we can't hold this. look at this vantage point. >> we are trying to hold the upper deck now. >> we need an area for the house members. they are all walking over now through the tunnels. >> we need to move now. >> copy. >> if we lose anymore teamwork may lose the ability to leave. so we are going to leave, we need to do it now. >> we lost the line. we have lost the line. all mpd pull back asap. >> they have -- people flooded the hallways outside and we have no way out. >> officers still remaining on house floor, so we can secure the members on the other side.

copy. . >> and if i win, i will be looking very, very strongly at about pardons, and mean full pardons with an apology to the million an apology. apology. >> they were peaceful people. these were great people. the crowd was unbelievable. and i mentioned the word love, the love in the air, i have never seen anything like it.

so that was video played inside the hall last night. it was not broadcast op some networks but it's striking to see it all again. we witnessed it live and watched the hearings arknow the facts and seen the videos. but it's worth reminder because the day has been so whitewashed attempted to be whitewashed by donald trump. he is talking about the people convicted by juries as hostages he will pardon and set free because they are the victims two weeks ago a man was sentenced to 20 years for beatingp police officers according to the court, verbsly with american flags, piece of furniture and anything he could get his hands on. donald trump thinks that man and others are hostages. we know what happened that day. and america got to see it again last night. >> the people who supported

what happened that day, are hypocrites, and the most horrible hypocrites. people who have been whining about the american flag for years, cheering whining that the american flags being misused on t-shirts or what nfl players did with the americaning in. they are now cheering people who take american flags and beat the ever living hell out of police officers beat the ever living hell out of cops and they have done it for three years now on other cable news networks. trying to say this was much adieu about nothing. and donald trump calls these thugs, these rioters, these people calling for the hanging of mike pence, these people beating the hell out of police officers, within inches of their lives, they call these people donald trump calls these

people patriots, and now hostages. john, thank god there was reminder last night at the democratic national convention this is the first election since donald trump led a riot against the united states capitol and american democracy. >> thank god for that, joe, and it's one of the things i think you can't have enough reminders of, and truly, it continues to be one of the most shocking things i in our politics watching donald trump as he has done throughout the campaign. lead to do the pledge of allegiance with the j6 choir sing the national anthem and talking about his intention to give out full pardons to many or most of the convicts in that case. and it is the -- i find it stager ising and stunning when we see it. you need to be reminded about it over and over again.

i will say of all the things that happened in the last month with trump, where we have seen him in a state of strategic flailing and i say it over and over his cognitive state is in addition to the psychic state but cognitive state is really becoming much more evidence evident how far he is failing and falling. only thing he managed to do that his campaign would be happy about is that he has not been talking about this in the last month. and i think that means we are probably due pretty soon for him to uncork another pn to the greatness of the people and how they are martyrs and heroes. very powerful part of the program last night for sure. >> well, and. >> and necessary. >> and necessary and tim, the images remain shocking. >> yeah. >> all these years later but more shocking for the number of republicans and trump republicans who dismiss it as

much adieu about nothing and they do. >> all of them. >> yeah. >> and where does -- i guess you can note one note last night to the democrats one note i guess is sergeant one of the capital police spoke and we mentioned where's everybody else. >> where are they? >> i would like to see. >> on this it should be simple. >> the people that were there, too, you know, the secretary of defense was there. who spoken out in the campaign setting, john kelly, you know, background quotes are not doing it. i don't think at this moment. the people that can speak to donald trump's abdication of duty i any we could use. i have no expectation for republican senator in the house, but it's insane . we watch the video of the cops getting beaten up with flags. there's not republicans who speak out about it at all. they dismiss it and mock you for doing night when he is

interviewed on his favorite networks, he's never asked about it. >> the only time he has been asked is the national association of black journalists everybody was focus on him saying kamala haris is not black but the one answer that stood out is he was asked when you talk about the pardons are you talking about violent rioters or the ones that weren't violent. >> and he wouldn't answer that. he would say i am pardoning everybody. >> and in thence he implied in the answer he is playing the dictateor role i will decide and that was one of the more telling answers in that interview. >> people when we talk about democracy is in trouble and we are vulnerable with trump and they said democracy held last time. did you see the footage of january 6th? >> yeah. >> did youlins to the recording when trump was trying to get 12,000 votes? i mean, there was attempted overthrow of the government so

he des tried to kill the vice president and desperately tried. all those that go well, we didn't lose democracy last time, come on. >> we will have more of this week's historic democratic convention right after the break. democratic convention right after the break. (♪♪) (♪♪) start your day with nature made. and try new zero sugar gummies.

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. >. our country lived through a time of torment. it's now a time for healing. we want to have faith again. we want to be proud again. we just want the truth again. it's time for the people to run the government and not the other way around. >> hello, i am jason carter. my grandfather president carter will have his 100th birthday in october. i call him papa. and i can tell you that he wishes he could be here tonight. from my grandfather, it was never about fame, recognition,

accolades or awards. his legacy is measured by the lives he touched and the good he has done. kamala harris carries my grand father's legacy. >> wow. this is a an important statement. that was jason carter, the grandson of former president jimmy carter. speaking at the dnc in chicago last night. 48 years after his grandfather accepted the democratic nomination at the 1976dnc in new york city. and jason jones us now. he is chairman of the carter center. and i will second what you said. i think the entire life legacy of the carters is really a north star for this democratic ticket. and, i think we are all wondering, not only how he is doing, but the significance of you being there representing former president jimmy carter last night. >> thank you so much. you know, he is doing well. he has as you know been in

hospice for 18 months. his body is very physically diminished. but he's doing well. he's sort of remarkably engage in the moments, and is excited about the prospects that we have to turn the page on this era that we have been living in with donald trump as sort of a constant presence in our politics. >> jason, this early voting starts in georgia, i think i am right in about october, it's when your grandfather will turn 100. is he going to be voting? how much is he aware of what's going on on the ticket and what he a happening with the democratic party. >> he is super aware. he's got an engaged moment. he had a low after my grandmother passed they were married for 77 years we were talking about his birthday and he is excited about voting for kamala harris. he is engaged and people in georgia are energized by the

moment. >> cart effort is most famous name in politics. it looked like he was slapping away and donald trump would put it in the column after losing. with the vice president atop the ticket, a surge of enthusiasm. what he at read of the state where it could go? >> one of the things that's remarkable about georgia is in the last election, we elected a republican governor and democratic senator. there's folks in georgia lost past partisan politics really ready to, you know, vote particularcally on candidates. i think kamala harris has a real opportunity. the ground game was built. we have 20 something offices in the state. and you have a significant, significant amount of jolt of energy. all that combines to say that it's a swing state, and i feel pretty good about it certainly the momentum. >> great speech last night. well-done. i am curious to hear what your grandfather thinks about the transition from president biden who is a good friend of his, and has been for many, many years, to kamala harris. when you spoke to him, what was

his view of the way this move, this switch has been made? >> look, sojo biden was one of my grand father's very best friends. they -- he was the very first senator to endorse my grandfather in 1976. so they have both been around for a long time. but, i think my grandfather was proud that joe biden took a courageous decision to pass the torch. we have been doing work across the world on democratic elections, and different context, it's very rare for a sitting president to say it's time for somebody else to take over the fact he did that, i think, drew a lot of respect, a lot of acclaim from my family, and i think that's not surprising give how we have always held the bidens in that type of real respectful esteem. >> um next from ronald to donald. we will dig no a book of the evolution of the republican party. the evolution of the republican party. but do you have to wedge it into everything? what? i don't do that.

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the economic ills we suffered have come upon us over several decades. they will not go away in days, weeks or months. but they will go away. in this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem. government is the problem. >> we are going to end the

government of corruption, which it has definitely been. and we are going to drain the swamp in washington, d.c. and that's what it is. >> all right. ronald reagan and donald trump each with one of their signature political calling cards. 35 years apart. republican party's political journey of the last four plus decades is the subject of the new book entitled from ronald to donald. how the myth of reagan became the cult of trump. and the book's coauthor ed os wald jones us. thanks for coming on the show this morning. >> ed, thanks so much. so, there seems to be so many different contrasts between the two. if you look at what reagan said about immigration and look at what reagan said about nato, standing up to the russians, if you look at what he said about free trade, you know, you could go down a long list. i am curious, when did that

evolution really take off? >> well, good morning and thank you for having me on the show. i guess the way i would step into that question, joe, is looking really at the subtitle of the book. how the myth of reagan became the cult of trump. and as you know, the myth of reagan is both robust and enduring. and it really has two dimensions. one dimension is the personal myth. reagan the apostle of small government. reagan the champion of deregulation. but i think more importantly, and more corrosive towards democracy are the policy myths of which i think there are two. one is you just had an in the clip that government is the problem. and basically, you know reagan ran against government. reagan, think, convinced people to have less faith in government and what government could do. and i think equally corrosive

to the democracy is reagan tax cuts which the basic premise is, cutting taxes for the wealthy, give rise to economic gain, and gain will trickle down if you will, and the evidence over the last four years it has just the opposite. that the gains have trickled up not trickled down. and i think those two elements of the -- of reagan's policy myth have eroded faith in government and ultimately given rise to the election of donald trump. >> that's all the time we have for this hour. thank you for spending part of your sunday with us. join us again tomorrow morning 6:00 a.m. eastern ready for a brand new week. >> always ready. >> bright and early. >> i was. >> joe will have bells on. >> i was born ready. >> enjoy the rest of your weekend.