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his mojo. and conspiracy theories collide just when you think jd vance was the low bar. guess who trump welcomes on stage? rfk jr. let's do it. >> [ music ] and as israel's devastation of gaza continues and is cease- fire deal between israel and hamas remains elusive, the threat of a broader all-out war in the region has bubbled for several months. late last night, though, there were fears that that bubble had finally burst. overnight, israel launched a large series of air strikes within lebanon using about 100 fighter jets, striking more than 40 tiger -- targets in southern lebanon. israel says the strikes were preemptive and targeted hezbollah rockets and firing canisters that were supposedly aimed towards israel and preparing to fire.

according to local officials, at least three people were killed by the strikes in lebanon. shortly after, hezbollah fired more than 320 rockets and drones towards israel in what appears to be the largest hezbollah strike on israel since october 7th. according to hezbollah officials, it claimed to hit 11 military targets, and they rejected israel's claim that it was preparing to fire first. this morning's escalation comes a month after a series of assassinations that appeared to put the region on the brink of an all out war, possibly drawing the united states directly into the conflict. most notably on july 30th, israel killed a senior hezbollah leader and close adviser to the organizations leader. that happened in a strike in beirut. israeli officials had described that attack as a response to a rocket strike in the israeli- occupied golan heights. just a few days earlier, which israel blamed on hezbollah, but the organization had denied. a day later on july 31st, one of the most senior hamas leaders and a key figure in the ongoing cease-fire talks was

assassinated inside a ron where he had gone for the inauguration of that country's new president. israel did not publicly claim responsibility for that attack, but it is widely believed that they were behind it this overnight for tat appears to be a follow-up to israel's killing. as for if things will immediately escalate, perhaps they won't. that's because soon after their attack on israel, hezbollah announced that their operations were a success and complete. they gave an address today where you said they had delayed the response to the killing in order to give cease-fire negotiations a chance to complete a deal. he did warn, however, that further strikes were possible. for its part, israel, too, claims their operation was a complete success, but netanyahu also warned that further attacks on lebanon remain possible. at the same time, ongoing cease- fire hostage talks continue in

cairo regarding the israel- hamas war. cia director burns and other american officials are participating. so, the elephant in the room continues to be gaza. tensions and the risk of an all out broader war remain high as long as the war in the gaza strip is allowed to continue and as long as the cease-fire remains elusive. kicking us off tonight, author and msnbc contributor, and daniel leavy, president of the u.s.-middle east project, and israeli negotiator. it is good to have you both with us. we all got the news last night and i think this is the fear that a lot of people have been tracking for months, that this might be the moment of an all out war. it doesn't seem to have escalated beyond that for tat, although massive , how do you read the developments of the last 24 hours or so? >> i think it is clear that hezbollah does not want an all out war. it has no benefit to them as an organization, and certainly, it would harm the reputation

inside lebanon. and he has made that very clear, that he doesn't want an all out war. at the same time, he can't not avenge the assassination. iran does not want an all out war. war does not do anything for iran, they would probably lose personnel, lose militarily, possibly have their nuclear sites bombed, oil facilities bond, so there is no advantage for iran to get into a war. it wants to avenge the death because it was on their soil, he was their guest under the protection of the iranian revolutionary guards, it is clear that it was israel because there is no other entity that could have been responsible. so, really, the only figure here who may want to continue this for tat, continue if not war -- i don't believe netanyahu necessarily wants an all out

war, but certainly this kind of tension is to the advantage of at least this particular government in israel. >> give me your thoughts on this. as we heard, hezbollah does not want an all out war, the iranians don't want it as much, but their hands are being forced by the israeli actions, whether it be these high profile assassinations, or as we saw, the strike, and the one also inside of syria that killed the senior iranian revolutionary guard commander. do you think israel seeks to intensify this war, using it as an opportunity to draw america in and perhaps settle the score with all of these enemies that it has across the region? >> the sounds for a long time, correctly, i think, has been a desirable outcome for the israelis for netanyahu in particular, is to pull the u.s. back into the region more, and specifically in confronting a ron as directly as possible, if

they can do that. however, i think he is absolutely right, what we have seen in these last months is there is no desire to escalate to full-blown war on the ask of hezbollah. israel, i think, wants to claw back some of its lost deterrence, there has been a shift to its detriment in the regional balance of power on the battlefield, and i think what the u.s. did here by deploying these extra military threats against iran into the region, buying time, was to help israel reassert some of that deterrence. also to prevent in an electoral context this unraveling even further. but, and this is important, netanyahu, he wants to have an open-ended war. he wants to be able to dial this up and dial this down

because that is his political imperatives. that is also what serves him to resuscitate himself, not only keep his coalition together, but to be utterly indispensable wartime leader. it sits firmly with his ideology , and therefore, to actually have a full-scale war might work against that interest because that might finally bring the kind of pressure to dial it down that he does not want to get a comprehensive cease-fire. however, if indeed we have gotten past this renewed fear of a full-blown escalation, it doesn't mean we are in the clear, because unless and until you get the cease-fire in gaza, there is still going to be these constant to and from's, the region will still be on edge, and we are really still rolling the dice every time as to whether something develops a dynamic of its own. >> so, if you're keeping track

of the for tat in the region, we know that the iranians have said they wanted to avenge the killing, they have not yet settled that score, so to speak. they have said that they are going to get cease-fire talks a chance to succeed, but they haven't given a timeline as to when that clock runs out and if they will respond, but they have followed up on previous threats when they said following the killing of the iranian revolutionary commander back in syria. so, what is iran's calculation right now, they don't want a wider war, there waiting for cease-fire talks to conclude, but they are not moving successfully, what do they do next, has deterrence been established? >> i don't know if deterrence has been established entirely. again, it's very clear that iranians do not want a full- blown war. it is also clear they don't want to do what they did earlier with the 300 missiles that were intercepted.

they telegraphed ahead of time that that was going to happen. they kind of knew what they just wanted one or two of those missiles to get through, so they can say we can get our missiles through. they obviously have missiles, they obviously have the ability to attack israel directly, but they also know israel and the u.s. and jordan and other countries are going to stop anything from being too big. but they are definitely going to at some point avenge his death, otherwise they have zero credibility among their own people. let's assume the iranian regime has 20, 30% support within the country, i'm not going to argue that it has a lot more, but at least it has a base of support. and among that base, if you can't protect a guest who is popular among those people -- >> it is going to decrease even more. >> yeah, so i think that they have to do it. whether they do it as a military exercise or whether they do it as, i don't know, assassinate some is really perhaps, somewhere in the world where they have the ability to

do that, they don't really have the ability to do much inside israel the way israel has been able to do inside iran, but they will do something, it could be six to eight months from now. >> let me get your thoughts quickly on the convention we just had here, is one of the things that we showcased was that america had returned as the leader of the world, so to speak, that it has somehow restored its position in the world. the fact that a cease-fire agreement has not been reached, the fact that the united states has not been able to leverage, we are going to talk about that in a little bit extensively, but what does all of this say, this entire diplomatic process, about american diplomacy, and specific its standing in the middle east. >> yeah, not so much. the region certainly does not see it that way. in fact, what just happened -- one of the things hezbollah said, and i know we say we can't listen to anything hezbollah says, that is an obstacle for people to take it seriously, but it should be

taken seriously because the region takes it seriously, and what has blood leadership said was we would not deliberately target civilians, drawn the contrast to what israel is doing to cause a and what america is providing cover for israel to do to gaza, and therefore, america's reputation is even worse, and i think one could credibly make the argument, the visit of secretary antony blinken made this worse, because one of the things that was holding back an escalation was a credible notion of a possible cease- fire, the way the administration handles this means no one in the region means -- believes there is a credible prospect of a cease-fire, so america keeps getting drawn in. and what it is doing at the moment is helping israel's freedom of operation, and this is not the claim of america we are back, we are doing well. unfortunately on this case, it is quite the opposite. >> thank you so much. daniel, please stick around, we are going to get your thoughts on benjamin netanyahu and those

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after the escalated exchange of fire between israel and hezbollah tonight, their most significant since october 7th, both sides signaled this round was over, but as long as israel's devastation of gaza continues without a cease-fire, the threat of a major regional war continues. while cease-fire talks resumed in cairo today, it felt like groundhog day earlier this week as secretary of state antony blinken headed back to the middle east in what was described as a trip to facilitate a cease-fire agreement between israel and hamas. on monday, there was reportedly a breakthrough. blinken announced that after a constructive meeting with benjamin netanyahu, israel accepted a proposal to cease- fire agreement and that the vault was now in hamas's court to accept it. there was only one problem, it wasn't true. on wednesday, axios cited three unnamed israeli officials who said president biden was still

urging netanyahu to soften his position and that netanyahu was hesitant about concessions that would allow for a successful deal. blinken appeared to have taken the israeli prime minister at his word, a mistake that is really society and the israeli press know better than to make. on friday, when biden's national security spokesperson john kirby was asked if netanyahu was negotiating in good faith, he continued to only put the onus solely on hamas. this headline summed it up best, duped again. the u.s. somehow occurred netanyahu's a yes to a gaza deal , he didn't read the article goes on to note that the mother of an israeli hostage was recently told by the head of the israeli intelligence agency that "in the current political constellation, a hostage deal is just not possible." netanyahu's office quickly disputed this claim, but months ago, two members of israel's negotiating team told channel

12 on israeli tv that netanyahu showed cold indifference to the fate of the hostages. one adding, "i can't say that without netanyahu there would have been a deal, but i can say that without netanyahu, the chances of making a deal would be better." and as netanyahu slow roles this suppose a deal, more devastating news for hostage families. this week, israeli forces recovered the bodies of six israeli hostages from southern gaza and an overnight operation. five of the six were previously known to have died, but the daughter of one of those hostages told the bbc that her father should have come back alive. and regarding netanyahu, she said, "i don't believe a word he is saying." the families of israeli hostages, the head of israeli intelligence, and even netanyahu's own negotiating team all seem to know that he is preventing an agreement and that his word is not to be trusted.

and yet, the biden administration keeps taking him at his word, and vouching for him on the international stage time and time again. and it is not just the biden administration. as soon as a statement like blinken's is made, it is immediately repeated by the american political class, with no scrutiny on either side of the political spectrum. after blinken's blunder on monday, the editorial board stated that under heavy u.s. pressure, last week, israel accepted a final bridging proposal and that thomas had rejected it. again, not true. the next night after reports had already emerged that blinken was wrong, nancy pelosi said this on the late show with stephen colbert after pro- palestinian protesters disrupted the live broadcast: >> right now, we just got word earlier today that israel had agreed to the cease-fire agreement, we are hoping that hamas will, too. but it takes me to the point of

saying to you, war has no role in a civilized society. >> she is right about one thing, war has no role in a civilized society, but perpetuating a false cease-fire narrative won't make that work just disappear. this kind of delusional thinking helps no one but benjamin netanyahu, especially since his objectives have been so obvious. as haaretz columnist ben notes, the public discourse in israel is focused on the hostages, and their fates, but netanyahu considers them to be a nuisance from his prolonged go, the prolonged occupation of the gaza strip. this completely contradicts the u.s. backed two state solution. and after meeting with netanyahu this week, heroes forum, a member whose organization are related to soldiers in the gaza strip, netanyahu told him directly if this is true, he will ensure

fighting resumes after 42 days. listen to that again. the fighting will resume. i guess the word cease-fire and benjamin netanyahu's dictionary apparently means more war, which brings us to the united states is $20 billion weapons deal with israel, passed just before this round of cease-fire talks started. if a war has no place in a civilized society and we are on the brink of what is being called a cease-fire agreement, why did the u.s. just underwrite a few more years of weapons for israel? when we come back, daniel leavy joins me once again. joins me once again. but the choice won't be easy with exceptional offers on the e-class sedan, c-class sedan, cle cabriolet and cle coupe. hurry, these dream offers won't last forever. come in now through september 3rd. rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways.

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captivity. this headline looks like it was released by the onion or even george orwell. netanyahu says war will continue, even if a cease-fire deal is agreed upon by hamas. daniel joins me, former israeli negotiator. as we just kind of made the case there, we keep seeing these headlines, mainly in the international or is really press that netanyahu intends to keep the war going on, even if what is being called a cease-fire deal is reached. in that case, what is the meaning of the word cease-fire for netanyahu? >> netanyahu has interpreted that word to mean that israel would get hostages back, netanyahu might hit the pause button temporarily, and then the devastation and destruction, which has led to calls from the international call of justice to prevent genocide, which has led to an arrest warrant request against

netanyahu himself for war crimes, including starvation as a weapon of war, all those crimes, all that horror will continue. and really, where these talks have been stuck throughout has been a hamas position, which is actually closer to the american position, if only the american team would tell the truth, because there has to be a israeli withdrawal and the cease-fire has to be sustained. versus the netanyahu position, which is we can have a little break, and then we go back to war. unsurprisingly, that is not an israeli negotiating position that gets you anywhere, and therefore, there was huge exasperation at the dizzy -- deceit of u.s. secretary of state blinken and what he said because it totally let the air out of any accumulating pressure on netanyahu, and so, you had the defense establishment, labeled anti-

israel. the major forums of the hostage families, and most of the commentary turned around and say blinken has just sabotaged his own effort by basically telling us an untruth when it came to what was going on in those talks. and by the way, the people who made those claims, these aren't people who are squeamish about palestinian blood being spilled in gaza. >> the question comes back to the u.s. about the leverage it has over israel and trying to force israel's hand to actually really make a genuine cease- fire deal. america doesn't have leverage over hamas, it certainly doesn't have leverage over iran. it is pushing its close allies, egypt and qatar, to exert whatever they have over hamas, but israel has not used any of the leverage it needs to get a cease-fire deal.

why hasn't the biden administration used considerable leverage that the u.s. has to get the deal that it constantly says it wants? >> well, either they are not politically willing to use that leverage, perhaps signs of that in chicago during the past week , perhaps the president himself as a commitment ideologically in a way that makes him unable or unwilling to see the truth of what is going on, or perhaps they want this to continue. and they see this somehow serves american interests. i don't think one could possibly see it that way. now, what it means is the very real leverage that exists, and israel cannot be continuing this war, as we have been discussing, if it didn't have the constant flow of american weaponry.

so, not only that, but even the willingness to be honest and laying the blame where it belongs, including out the israeli side, that is not done, and therefore domestic opposition inside israel is cut off at the knees, and you somehow have blinken strengthening the extremists. and so, what you end up seeing is a movie we have seen before, which is america takes israeli proposals, repackages them as american proposals, the israelis smell that weakness, and they know they can get away with anything. that's what happened during the peace process, that's what's happening now, and just because it is retro, it doesn't mean it is cool or it is smart or it is american policy that actually serves the u.s. interest rate >> let me ask you about american politics, because domestic politics and foreign

affairs can be linked very closely, we saw that in chicago. and we know that benjamin netanyahu knows the american system extremely well, and with our campaign in this country now in full swing and with kamala harris and now at the top of the democratic party ticket and joe biden effectively being a lame-duck president until the end of his term, does netanyahu have a strategy of waiting it out, rolling the dice, taking the chances that he may get donald trump back in the white house, which would be more favorable for his conditions. >> if only he were that strategically challenged by this administration. i think they have rolled over to such an extent, netanyahu probably cannot believe that they have played a week and so poorly in the case of the latest visit. so, i will leave it to your viewers to decide whether the positive spin last week was perhaps also a function of events going on in chicago, but

netanyahu sees himself as able, and he has said this, he has even been caught on camera saying this, as being able to play in american politics to his will. and that is what is going on right now. it is something that has carried across different administrations, but it's something that when you see what's going on today, 10+ months into the horrors, the devastation, it is not bringing security to israel. what we see in gaza, that it can still be in play, that is such an indictment of the u.s. system and how it acts on this issue. >> daniel leavy, i always appreciate your insights and your time, thank you so much, my friend. take care. next up, trump's kitchen sink approach of finding a suitable line of attack against harris and how his supporters and allies are growing sick of it. ng sick of it.

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you said last week that donald trump, the provocateur, the showman may not win this election, urging that he focuses more on policies the way that you are in this interview. mr. trump responded to you, take a listen. >> the look, i like lindsey graham, i don't care what he says, okay? he wouldn't have been elected if i didn't endorse them. so, south carolina, lindsey graham is my friend, but if i didn't endorse him, he would have had no chance of getting elected. i always say sure, please stick to policy, don't get personal, and yet they're getting personal all night long, these people. do i still have to stick to policy? sir, you must stick to policy, you will win it on the board or you will win it with inflation. we are going to do a free pole. here are the two questions, should i get personal, should i not get personal customer ready?

should i get personal? >> [ cheers and applause ] >> should i not get personal? i don't know, my advisers are fired. >> you just witnessed the turmoil of being a surrogate for donald trump, a man who never fails to be his own worst enemy. according to a new report from the washington post, trump's allies are trying to keep him out and keep him busy, strategically scheduling back- to-back events over the past week to distract him from stewing over the dnc. now, trump's still hasn't recovered from vice president kamala harris picking up the baton from joe biden, or in the words of a former white house spokes were when, alyssa farren griffin, he feels like he has lost his mojo. joining me now is msnbc contributor and author of the upcoming book, defect rs, and

moody host of get woke with danielle moody on youtube. it's great to have you both with us. i will start with you and get your response to that, because that clip really just encapsulates the state of the trump campaign. you have people who want him to focus on policy. forget the policies and how bad they are, they just kind of want him to focus on policy, and he basically was like, not happening. and not only doing so, debasing the people who are giving him the advice of saying try to stay on policy. >> he seems insecure, he seems like he is going through this insane meltdown, and it makes sense, because i think he perhaps is recognizing that this may be the beginning of the end, or it feels like the beginning of what could be the end of the trump era, and that feeling is probably terrible for him. he is seeing the sort of resurrection of his worst enemy, barack obama. now suddenly you have the resurrection of this obama like coalition that is bigger, is more progressive, is more diverse, is younger, and that probably is driving him crazy,

because what is happening is once again, not just a political movement, it is a cultural movement that makes us think of the hope and change of 2008, perhaps it makes us think of the magnet movement in 2016 that we underestimated, and that is happening now, and what we know about those movements is it is unstoppable. >> and the other part of that clip, joking aside, you see how he operates in this mob rule mentality. it is kind of like that scene in gladiator where the caesar's kind of thumbs-up or thumbs down, what do you want me to do to the applause of the crowd and the roar of the crowd, and he gets a brush off of that with this kind of pole that he does. he is willing to trade all of that for the moment of the rush of the crowd, saying get personal, get ugly, get nasty, because that's what they want and he feeds off of that, and he thinks that's what he needs to do in order to win. that's the funny thing is, again, he is not trying to expand his voter base.

he is just looking for that hit from the crowds that give him that drive and that impulse, and right now, the campaign has turned into a babysitting operation for donald trump. let's keep him on message, let's keep him in policy, let's keep coming back to back against so he doesn't get distracted. is that not what you put together for a strategy dealing with your child? when you see this, and to powell's point, what is happening over the last four weeks, this is not something that is manufactured. this is energy that people are having and it is gaining steam every day. i see in corporate media, they keep waiting for the bubble to burst. i saw the new york times, joy is not a strategy. evidently it is. evidently, people don't want to be driven by fear and cruelty. evidently, they want to feel inspired, and that's what this campaign is doing, and donald trump doesn't know what to do with that. >> the harris-walz campaign said today they have raised $560 million, an astronomical figure, in just the last five

weeks, and more importantly, the number of volunteers, 200,000 volunteers joining the campaign. so, it is more than saying it is a feeling. people are actually acting on that feeling and it is mobilizing. and to your point, and politico talked to this as well, trump could now be realizing that he is going to lose, which means it is going to be ugly and dangerous what he does, because when his back is up against the wall, wehe has no limit and no bottom to where he will go. >> he is losing. even just at the dnc, the dnc got better ratings than the rnc, the vice presidents speech did better than trump, he probably hates that. to your point, the vice president raised over $540 million, which is the highest amount of money that any presidential candidate has ever raised in that timeframe, and so, and size does matter. crowd sizes. i think trump averaged around 5600 members in his offense.

and i think the vice president is averaging around 13,000 people. and so, the fear is, to your point, what happens after? we know what can happen. there is another version of january 6th something we don't want to think about, but we know that it could be a reality. >> he is not going to accept the results of the election unless he wins, he has made that clear. it is dangerous, grooming his followers for the potential of violence again. it is something that this country needs to take seriously, and somehow, i don't think people in the media are dealing with his threat to not accept the results of the election seriously enough. >> they are sowing the seeds that they did in 2020, where they are looking at these poll numbers and seeing that the vice president is ahead. and suddenly, those polls are illegitimate. those very samples that had trump ahead in june and may. but now all the sudden there is

something wrong with them. it is the same story that they have on replay, because for their base, it works. but again, it is a tired song that america is over, they have heard it before. and so, the grievance politics that they have been feeding the magnet movement on his beginning to lose steam, people are losing interest. you are seeing them leave his rallies right in the middle of his speaking. >> when he is rambling for ours, who is going to stay around? >> but one of the things, when the vice president accepted her nomination in milwaukee, like i accept the nomination, she filled two stadiums at the same time. it was happening in chicago and it was happening in milwaukee. donald trump has people leaving one small space at one time. numbers don't lie. >> both of you, please stick around, we have got a lot more to discuss after a quick break because we want to get your thoughts on the desperation of this guy, robert f kennedy junior. f kennedy junior.

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of donald trump. >> all right, so that was the sister of robert f. kennedy jr. on inside jen psaki today, announcing his endorsement of donald trump. this comes after rfk jr. suspended his campaign and appeared at a rally with trump on friday. he knows exactly who is responsible for the embarrassing end of his campaign, take a listen. >> the dnc on mainstream media networks and maintained a near- perfect embargo on interviews with me. those efforts former president

former secretaries of defense, prominent, notable people in this country who are trust worthy and certainly have a lot of respect, and on the other side, donald trump couldn't even get his own former vice president, couldn't even get the former republican presidents, couldn't even get members of his own party, so he ends up with rfk jr. thank you both, greatly appreciated, always love having you guys on, thank you very much. another hour of ayman after a quick break.

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