(♪♪) ♪♪ good day. i'm chris jansing live in new york city. the great debate divide. team harris says the september 10th faceoff is now happening. donald trump himself still not fully committing. with the back and forth over the

rules and the network, is donald trump even on the same page with his own campaign? and is all of this truly about negotiating the terms or trump trying to grab some attention? plus, trump's promise of mass deportations instead of -- deportations of undocumented immigrants is a slam dunk with the maga right. but selling it to the rest of the country may be trickier. what trump's runningmate, j.d. vance, said over the weekend that moves the devil is in the details. senator chris murphy will join me to talk strategy, as well as the wisdom of using an attack line that's already six months old. and tensions between israel and hezbollah back down to a low boil after threatening to explode into a wider war over the weekend. hezbollah's leader says they're stepping back to let people, quote, take a breath and relax. so what happens now?

but we start with a pivotal presidential debate in september, which, at this point, is in some state of confusion. the question is, what exactly is going to happen next? donald trump is trying to keep everyone guessing, including, it would appear, his own campaign. it's part of a pattern that goes back weeks with trump first pulling out of the debate, then recommitting just days later. then earlier today, his campaign said they were at an impasse over the debate's rules, specifically whether the mics would be muted when the other person was talking. but here is trump earlier today. >> would you want the microphones muted in the debate when you are not speaking? >> we agreed to the same rules, i don't know. i would rather have it probably on. but the agreement is that it would be the same as it was last time. in that case, it was muted. the truth is, they're trying to get out of it because she doesn't want to debate me. she's not a good debater. she's not a smart person. she doesn't want to debate.

>> in fact, the harris campaign says today the debate is back on, all of it, as harris continues to dominate every news cycle. this weekend, by announcing the campaign, they took in $82 million since convention week. the total since she joined the race, more than half a billion dollars. her campaign says it is the most ever for a one-month span in presidential campaign history. trump, meantime, is trying to crank up his campaign by heading to michigan and pennsylvania. while the momentum has been with harris, polls show this race is still super tight. democrats are warning that a lot can still change in the next 71 days. >> all this is a great democratic mind. the idea is to be good in november. and i tell democrats with some caution here. most say we have to win by three. so when you see a poll that says

we're too hot, well, actually, you look down if the poll is correct. the other thing is trump traditionally, when he's on the ballot chronically underpolls. >> i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake in washington. john boehner and paul ryan. eugene daniels is "politico"'s white house correspondent co-author of play book and an msnbc political contributor. michaels is the director of the new york state democratic party. okay, eugene. you were the very first to report on this debate dispute. i know it keeps changing minute by minute. what's going on? >> yeah. i think the -- you know, for a while we thought that everybody has kind of moved on and that the negotiations were, you know, what kind of poll it might be. but what's ended up being true is that over the last two weeks the campaigns have been going back and forth with abc.

they're not negotiating with each other. that's important for folks to know. but going back and forth with abc on the microphones and whether they should be muted while the other person is talking. interestingly enough, the harris campaign is saying they want it on while the trump campaign is saying they want to deal with the rules they already agreed to, which includes muted microphones. the harris folks say we didn't agree to that. that was a different campaign. you were talking to other people. we have agreed on -- they agreed on the location, the link, the moderators, the network, obviously. and what we're seeing here is a campaign that knows that they will -- they might be able to draw donald trump out and they called vice president harris a name or to say something untoward while she's speaking to turn off some of those suburban voters that they're always looking for. one of the biggest moments for vice president harris in her debate in 2020 against then vice

president mike pence is the, mr. president, i'm speaking moment. it seems like they want something like that again. i would also say the trump folks keep pushing they want the cnn rules, but trump himself has pushed a different for this proposed fox news debate has been pushing different rules. it is all over the place. as you guys just played, he's also at odds with jc miller, his senior aid. he said, you know, i think they probably should be on. it reminds me of when he was president, how his -- they would work really hard as staff to get something together and then he tweeted out or saying something the opposite of what they have been saying all day. >> how did we get here? mic on, mic off, whose advantage it's to, whose disadvantage it's to. is it clear? >> well, the harris campaign very certainly thinks it's clear because they responded by saying he can't control himself for the

duration of the debate. so that's why he wants the mics off. he wants to be -- you know, he can't stop talking. to me, that's an advantage for the harris campaign, for him to have those unscripted moments to be able to pick up anything that he says, particularly if they're attacking her and undermining her. a quick point about abc. he's gone on and attacked abc and saying they will not be fair. kamala harris doesn't know what she's talking about, she's not very smart. it was rachel scott, who was a correspondent for abc that he attacked at the national association of black journalists event. called her rude for asking the question she asked. so there is a history of him going after and -- >> for the legitimate question. >> an absolutely legitimate question that she asked. >> there is a history he has of attacking and undermining the credibility of intelligence of african american women. and we see that here in this conversation around this debate as well.

>> brendan, i'm glad to see that you seem to be sitting down because i'm sure that you have been shocked to your core by the idea that trump and his campaign might not be on the same page. >> yeah. we have seen that one before. i mean, look, if we're calling balls and strikes here, look, there were all kinds of flags thrown when the trump team wanted to change the rules and propose new debates and everything. so i think we need to -- you know, the harris campaign is very clearly trying to change what everybody i think thought were the rules. now, that's politics. that's fine if they want to do that. i think what that speaks to is the fact that they know that donald trump needs this debate a lot more than kamala harris needs this debate. i think kamala harris would be completely happy to run around the country, do these rallies with adoing fans everywhere and run out the clock. the trump campaign needs something to change the dynamic here and they're desperate for these debates. they know they can change the rules, and he has to come along, where trump, he can try to

change the rules on harris and say, you know what, that's fine. we won't debate. she has all the leverage right now and she's clearly using it. >> talk about the significance of this debate because are you hearing from anyone that it's a real possibility it might get canceled? you don't get many chances that are predictable, right, in the course of this campaign to change the trajectory or build on momentum. >> yeah, chris. i'm not hearing that from anyone. i think this debate is almost certain to go forward. we're seeing a mind game by the harris campaign to get under donald trump and his campaign skin and drive a wedge between trump and his campaign staff. and it appears to be working. trump is supremely confident in his abilities as a debater. he takes a very kind of non-traditional approach to his preparation. he doesn't do traditional mock debates. he sits back and workshops his lines with some of his advisers, and he thinks he's really good at this. the fact of the matter is he

believes he knocked out the last person he was running against, joe biden, with the debate. i do see this being an effective example of the harris campaign getting under his skin a bit. he complains almost daily about what he calls a coup against joe biden. the whole process ruffled his feathers in some significant way. if the harris campaign keeps poking at that, they will keep generating these headlines and conversations. on the issue of the mic specifically, you know, eugene touched on it, i think the only thing that anybody, if you poll remember, remember from the vp debate in 2020 was the, i'm speaking now line from the vice president and the fly on mike pence's head. and the fly could be the next element of this debate because both campaigns want to keep talking about this, hype this thing up before september 10th. >> maybe they will put mosquito zappers out. i want to ask you what we heard from james carville.

he is always very colorful, but he is warning that trump may be stronger than what we have seen over the next few weeks might indicate. is he right? >> he is right. remember in 2016 when a lot of folks who were discounting donald trump and saying there is no way that hillary clinton can lose. remember, two to three months outside the election, i started to see all these trump signs outside of new york state in places i didn't expect them before. signs don't vote, but it is a sign of intensity and interest. so there are a lot of trump supporters that are probably just there, not talking, not engaging but will go out there and vote for donald trump. so you always have to be mindful of that. but i am heartened by the fact that we saw a lot of members of the senate who are running for re-election at the dnc show up, actually, to be next to kamala harris and be a part of that. so i do think in states where you have really strong senate candidates in places like new york and california that need democrats to win to take back

the house that there are candidates and parties that are feeling more embolden now because of the kind of enthusiasm that we have seen in the last month. but i would also say of that over half a billion dollars that they have raised, i would love to see most of that go on the street and not just in tv ads because, you know, it will be -- it would still be a very, very close race. her biggest task is to keep that momentum for the next few months. >> brendan, let's talk about just $82 million the harris campaign says it raised during convention week. those are eye-popping numbers we're seeing. a sizable chunk of those young people and women, two of the most common occupations, teachers, nurses. and then to basil's point, 200,000 new volunteers. dnc chair was on "morning joe" today, and he says they're ready to be put to work. take a listen. >> we are equipped to take all this new energy coming into this campaign and utilize it in terms

of voter registration efforts, voter education initiatives, voter protection programs. unlike the republican party, we didn't destroy our grass roots and base operations. we built on that. >> when i was at the dnc, i talked to party chairs from most of the battleground states and other top democrats in all the battleground states. they all told me they have offices going. they have paid staff going. what does that mean in real terms come november? >> yeah. the amount of money is a campaign's dream. to basil's point, tv ads don't go quite as far as they used to. people get so overwhlmed that an ad is less powerful. you can use it to get voters, open up offices, open up operations in states that now

seem much greater in numbers. obviously, we have seen that the harris campaign is going to be not just going down to georgia, which we know is a top battleground state, but tim walz is doing a bus tour in south georgia. that's a pretty red area there. they know there are a lot of black voters there that you can help turn out. that's when you have a lot of resources and a big map and putting those things to use and not just throwing it up on tv, which can be diminishing returns. >> yeah. we only have 30 seconds left, but one of the questions is when you have more money than any presidential campaign has had at this stage ever, what do you do with it and how do you have it make a difference? and is that? do you have the money to go to a south georgia. >> as tim walz said, you believe it all on the field. what that could mean is you put all that money in the ground. they have got almost one million actual volunteers since the

announcement. put that money in and do a lot of door knocking, not just persuasion. but you have to focus on your base and get them out early. >> the keyword they have been using is that they have them scheduled, which is different from being at an event and asking people to sign up and say, are you willing to volunteer? those are the people they have scheduled actual shifts. so we'll see what kind of difference that makes. thank you all very much. coming up, the latest on israel's air strikes in southern lebanon and hezbollah's response. what it could mean for a regula that's already on edge. we're back in 90 seconds. onds p. ♪ ♪ with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds. ♪ ♪

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so hezbollah is the most formidable of all the israeli proxies. they made it clear they would strike back after israel killed one of their top commanders. what are all the different sides saying now about where this goes from here? >> well, on the street level, i think many people are asking themselves, okay, does this mark a gradual escalation of things or do we return to normal? and to be clear, what normal has looked like for the past close to 11 months now is daily a tit for tat exchange for fire in northern israel and southern lebanon. it has been deadly, yes, but also contained and very much calculated. now go back nearly four weeks, july 30th. that's when the hezbollah commander was assassinated by israel in beirut. the head of hezbollah vowed retaliation. now, he said yesterday in a

televised address that he gave it time. he waited several weeks for one to instill fears in israelis but to see how cease-fire talks would progress. he said there was no progression because israel made demands. it came yesterday in a preemptive attack by israel. hezbollah has a different version of events. it says that it targeted 11 military bases in northern israel. it was able to distract the iron dome and launch a drone deeper into israel. its target was the military base near tel aviv. why this one? it said it has an intelligence unit that is linked to the assassination. so israel saying that there was no damage, that the attempt failed. both can turn to their domestic audiences and claim victory. but he can also say, we avenged the death. he said mission accomplished,

phase one. of course, that leaves the door open to a possible phase two. what that will look like, we will have to wait and see. >> general, do you think phase two is coming? and what might it look like? >> well, you know, when we start signaling intentions of military power, it is a terribly blunt and imprecise instrument. for now apparently we have deescalation going for hezbollah and the idf. but this was the biggest exchange of fire in a war that had been ongoing in the north of israel since essentially 8 october. the provocation of the israelis killing, assassinating a significant hezbollah military commander inside lebanon and then killing the head hamas negotiator essentially in downtown tyron was incredible.

but, look, we are where we are. the key to solving the whole problem is gaza. how do you stop the fighting in gaza and, therefore, presumably deescalate the war in the north and the threat from iran. and there is no conclusion in my mind, even remotely possible, where is a peace keeping force that would, in receivership, take control of gaza or the west bank? not on the horizon. so we are on the edge of what i keep describing as a 19/14 scenario, a war that nobody wants but which could easily happen. >> so what does this mean for ongoing talks that are scheduled to continue later this week in cairo? >> look, i think -- i have been around negotiation language for a few decades. it is great to be here with you.

they work when you have two parties that have a sense of urgency. that's when parties decide to close. the reality is there are two key decision makers here. you have the preeminent and frankly only leader of hamas and the key negotiator, even though he is in a tunnel somewhere. and benjamin netanyahu sees more advantage frankly in not closing the deal than in actually closing. he had a dress rehearsal over the last 48 hours that maybe you can end up attributing to a major escalation and having something we have never experienced before ever, a multifront war. so he's in no hurry. i don't think the prime minister wants a regional war, but he wants it to continue at some level because when it de-escalates or actually ceases, accountable issue is going to be front and center with respect to

how he has managed. why has october 7th happen? who is taking responsible for it? so in the end, you might be able to get a phase one agreement, limited exchange of hostages for a six-week cease-fire. but to go beyond that right now strikes me as almost impossible. and that means addressing mccaffrey's point. the middle east will be living on the edge here. we have three wars of attrition, one between israel and hezbollah, one between israel and iran. no chance for any peace keeping stability in gaza because, again, neither has a stake in that sort of outcome. >> so let me ask you a very specific question, general, about the war in gaza. there is this new article on the associated press that talks about how israel's economy has been struggling because of all the uncertainty, the costs connected to the war.

and obviously one part of that is how many men and women of fighting age are in uniform right now. they're not doing their normal day jobs. how long can israel sustain this effort in gaza especially with the threat of iran and hezbollah looming? >> well, i think you go to a key point. at some point there will be tremendous economic incentives not to deescalate but to go on the ground with a massive force and try to eliminate hezbollah. there has been a strong argument in favor of that in netanyahu's war cabinet. i think it would be a disaster for the region and for israel itself. but i think there is an argument there. they called up 500,000 man military force, men and women, to take down gaza. most of them have been returned to civilian life to their jobs, but the active forces now are tired. they have expended a lot of

their munitions that need to be replaced. a lot of their equipment has run underground. i think israel is under tremendous pressure to get some kind of a cease-fire. now, i would argue that the -- it's not netanyahu's political fortune so much as the general thought, how do you control gaza and not have the idf doing it on the streets? what's the force? and obviously at present, only hamas is available to reassert their control and to start again to build up the arms capability to go after israel five years from now. there is just no resolution on the horizon. it is a very complex and sad situation. >> we only have about 30 seconds left, but is this where we are living for an indetermined but potentially long period of time, on the brink, dial it back, on

the brink, dial it back and hope that at some point they keep being able to dial it back? >> well, i mean, i think that's right. and i think we wouldn't be here, frankly, if the israelis and hezbollah and the iranians and the americans right now weren't under a high degree of risk aversion. everybody understands what the impact in a regional war could be. on the lebanese front, militias attacking the forces in syria and iraq. and the main event, the real possibility we saw at april 13, 14 and a few days later of a direct clash on israeli and iranian territory with the involvement of the u.s. nobody wants that. the real question is whether a gaza cease-fire, at least phase one, is going to outrun the possibility of a mistake or miscalculation by one of the

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a replaying, one part of a stepped up schedule as his campaign tries to step up the momentum of the race. one way they hope to do that is by tieing kamala harris to what they see is a disastrous mexico-u.s. border. their website explicitly says, a vote for kamala is a vote for invasion. this was j.d. vance yesterday on "meet the press" when he was asked a pointed question. >> will families be separated under your mass deportation policy? >> i think families are already being separated. >> so that's a yes? >> you start with the most violent criminals in our country. kamala harris's policies led to thousands upon thousands of migrant children living with sex traffickers and drug cartels. that is the consequence of her policies. some are missing. >> there is not a policy to

separate families. >> if you know your policies will lead to family separation -- this is important. kamala harris cannot claim she doesn't know her policies are leading to family separation. they are. >> let's bring in democratic senator chris murphy from connecticut. i don't need to tell you, someone as deeply versed as anyone in this issue how big it is on the campaign. we heard from you and others a lot at the convention that donald trump killed the bipartisan bill to address this, the bill you cosponsored. that's the message that's been out there since it happened, more than six months ago. and trump still wins in poll after poll after poll on immigration. so do you think that argument is going to resonate? what's going to change the trajectory there? >> well, it is going to resonate. it's true. we have to repeat this message over and over, but it is a pretty simple message. kamala harris supported a tough bipartisan border security bill

that would have fixed most of the problems at the border. donald trump was for it until he realized it would solve the problem. at the last minute, he instructed all of his allies in the senate to vote against it because he wants the border to be a mess. >> is that suddenly going to resonate in a way it hasn't for the last six months? >> all we can do is tell the truth. i can't make up a story that's not true. the truth is that republicans don't support cleaning up and addressing the border. they showed that this last year. and democrats do. the truth is also that crossings in the border today are lower than they were at the end of trump's time in office. the truth is also that kamala harris was given a discreet task as vice president to slow down migration from three central american countries, and two years into that job, she reduced migration by 50%. i can only say what's true. the truth is that donald trump wants the border to be a mess because he sees a chaotic border as a way to make us fear each

other. kamala harris has a very specific plan to fix the problem at the border. she says she'll sign that bill if it gets to her desk as president. let's keep telling the truth and voters will decide whether they want to believe our truth or donald trump's lies. >> let me go back to the numbers you just cited, which are facts. i think there are some parallels in the economy in that you put the facts out there. you put the numbers out there, and there is that part of the equation for voters. the other part is how they're dealing. so donald trump, his campaign has been successful at the politics of fear, right, that crime everywhere, crime at the border, crime in your cities is tied to what he sees as this huge influx of migrants who he says are mostly criminals. they're murderers, they're rapists. so in that equation of facts, data versus feeling, how do you turn that into a winning

combination? >> it is a really good question, right? you do have to acknowledge people's fear today. i mean, there are many neighborhoods in this country that have unacceptable levels of violence. that is just true. but you don't have to feed in to the e rational fear that trump is trying to make people feel. and it is important to push back on this idea of a migrant crime wave. we don't have to accept that as the dominant narrative. why? because the data actually tells us that immigrants to this country commit crimes at a rate lower than natural born americans. that is an inconvenient narrative for fox news and the trump campaign, but it is true. i think we have a moral obligation, as well as a political obligation to push back against this idea that you are at risk if you live in a community with more migrants. and then we also just have to tell people that crime went up

when donald trump was president. he did nothing to stop it. crime is going down under joe biden. he did something to pass it. he passed the most significant anti-gun violence bill in a generation. we have these true narratives available to us. your question is a good one. will they work politically? i guess i don't know the answer to that question. i just know that if we say it enough we have a chance to convince people of true things. >> let me ask you about some other truths, which is that the fund-raising is off the charts, right? half a billion dollars in a month, unlike anything we have ever seen before. hundreds of thousands of people volunteering. state chairman saying, and we have the infrastructure, the paid infrastructure to put those people to work. kamala harris has owned every news cycle since she got into this race a month ago. having said all of that, what keeps you up at night? >> well, i mean, listen, there is going to be an effort to tell lies about kamala harris.

they haven't figured out how to attack her. you heard j.d. vance with some ridiculous argument that the biden administration is separating families. what he's talking about in that interview is unaccompanied minors, minors that show up to the united states without their parents by choice. that's a tragic situation, but that is the family's choice that they're so desperate that they send the child to the united states by themselves. they will try to make up something about the vice president. we will have to be really quick with rapid response. i also do worry that there might be a little bit of complacency given the fact that the convention was so overwhelmingly positive. i love the fact that people are signing up to volunteer. but the question is do they follow through? we need to make sure people understand that posting on social media or signing up to volunteer doesn't get kamala harris registered. you have to register for three or four or five shifts between now and the election. that's what we have to do,

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assassination attempt on donald trump will tour the scene of the crime in butler, pennsylvania. they will also meet with local officials. local law enforcement said they warned the secret service, both about the building where shots were fired from and the shooter, who they identified before he even got on the roof as suspicious. ken dilanian joins me now with the latest. ten members of this task force have traveled to butler to look at exactly where this all happened. what are they hoping to learn? >> well, chris, as a matter of fact, some of these members have already visited the site. and mike kelly grew up in butler. he is the representative of this rally. they wanted to go to the site and get a sense of the scene and what it was like and look at the site lines. the ranking democrat, who is a former army ranger and a combat veteran, said there is nothing like being on the ground.

and here is what else he told katy tur in the last hour. take a listen. >> we're actually going to gather the facts, figure out what the standards were, what should have happened, what didn't happen, and then we will apply the facts to the standards and push for accountability. >> this is one of several investigations into what went wrong here and some of the big questions they're trying to answer are obvious. why wasn't that rooftop secured? why didn't the secret service agents protecting mr. trump get the word there was a man with a gun on the roof? and this is a bipartisan effort and they're hoping to get answers. they say they want to know not just what went wrong but why and who exactly is responsible. >> ken dilanian, thank you. let's go overseas where right now emergency power warnings are in place all over ukraine. authorities say four people are dead. 19 more injured with 15 region across ukraine suffering outages.

nbc's erin mclaughlin is live in kharkiv. what's the latest there? >> reporter: we just learned from ukrainian officials how many russian missiles they shot down earlier today. according to the officials, they downed 102 of the 127 russian missiles that were fired at ukraine. 99 of 109 drones. and this shows you just short of the effectiveness of the air defense system in place here in ukraine. a marked improvement since the beginning of the war. it is in large part thanks to western partners. on friday president biden announced an additional $125 million aid package, a big chunk of that package going to ukraine's air defense. now we're seeing sort of in realtime why that's important for this country. in total, from the attack today, four civilians killed, 19

injured. civilian emergency infrastructure was targeted. i was just talking to a kyiv city official who told me that the russians managed to take out an electricity substation on a key dam in the kyiv region leading to rolling blackouts throughout the capitol. now, this attack started at around 8:00 in the morning. our team woke up to the sounds of multiple explosions here in kharkiv. we immediately went down to the shelter as did millions of other ukrainians. metro stations once again doubles as bomb shelters. but as soon as it was an all clear, life returned to normal pretty quickly. it is just an illustration of how this war has become a part of every day life here in ukraine. chris? >> erin mclaughlin, thank you for that. coming up, another set back for boeing space program. what we now know about a time line to bring home those

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two public schools today because of hazardous road conditions. and we've got major news on the two astronauts stuck in space since early june. nasa says it's too risky to bring them back using boeing's starliner capsule as planned. instead, spacex will bring them home or as the atlantic put it, elon musk to the rescue. nbc's marissa parra is covering the story on the ground near titusville, florida, near the kennedy space center. talk about this new plan and when it could go into effect. >> reporter: we heard a little bit of all of that, chris. this was a major announcement that happened this past saturday with the head of nasa himself, we're talking about administrator bill nelson. i'll sort of run through the major highlights of that. as you mentioned, butch wilmore, suni williams will not return on boeing's starliner. boeing's starliner is set to

undock and return to earth without a crew on board sometime early september, they said. in terms of the reasons why. safety has been at the core of it. they said that they looked at the data. they analyzed the data. they spoke to engineers. they did those ground tests to really analyze how safe it was. how risky would it be to bring them back on starliner. between the helium leaks and thruster issues, they decided it was certainly not worth the risk, chris. as you just mentioned, there was a previously scheduled crew 9 mission, and now they're going to save two seats on board when that launches end of september, up to the international space station. those two seats will be for butch and suni to return home. this, again, previously scheduled was supposed to be a six month mission with crew nine. that is slated to return to earth sometime in february. everyone likes to ask, how butch and suni doing, when it comes to food, supplies, they have plenty. they're said to be in good

spirits and support nasa's decision. i want to mention that the major news all coming in the same week that we're expecting this historic mission called polaris, set for 3:38 in the morning. if you're hoping to watch this historic mission, we're going to see a space walk like nothing we have seen before, chris. you're seeing some of those civilian astronauts. they have been training for years. so if you're a space nerd like me, you're hoping to tune in. i hope you're a morning person. it's probably going to be a really early one, chris. we'll be here tomorrow to tell you all about it, how it went. >> marissa parra, thank you. still ahead, the deadly mosquito virus that has a massachusetts town urging people to stay inside at night. first, you can watch the best parts of our show anytime on you tubement -- on you tube. just go to msnbc.com/jansing. ang s i'm in...

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it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, the battle over the mute button and microphones, the back and forth that could have derailed a debate between donald trump and kamala harris. and how it looks like it's never solved. at least for now. plus, trump heads to michigan to speak to a crowd of national guard officers