people in my district that have been criminally justice impacted. i actually have some of the highest incarcerated zip codes in the entire state so i think it's one of the reasons that i have been trusted with this particular position, because i understand the implications that come along with the tagline of being a felon, and it was definitely a delicate line that i had to walk to do this kind of felon and prosecutor thing, because i have consistently fought so much for the criminally justice impacted and i did not want it to be a situation in which it seemed that i was putting those folk down. what i was trying to do was draw out the hypocrisy that the republicans consistently bring to the table when literally you guys are supporting someone that supposedly doesn't stand with any of the values that you claim to espouse. >> that was a very thoughtful answer on that point, congresswoman. i'm glad to ask you about that. jasmine crockett, thank you very much. appreciate it.

>> thank you. >> that is all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner starts with ayman mohyeldin in for alex. >> thanks so much for watching. i'm ayman mohyeldin in for alex wagner and this is what it looks like when a candidate for president makes the most of a rainy day. watch. >> thank you. thank you. thank you. ladies and gentlemen, i'm sorry it's raining but we've had 12 years of trickle down. if you give me 12 minutes we can change this country. i am tired of seeing the american people kill themselves every day in the factory and the business, on the farm, and be punished for it, and if you will give us a chance, we will turn this country around. >> that was a soaking wet bill clinton during a drizzly campaign stop in 1992. clinton of course was campaigning that day in the small town of albany, georgia. it was part of a multi-day bus tour through southern georgia which the campaign called

bubbas for bill. it was notable at the time because southern georgia was known to be more rural and conservative than the state's northern region, which includes of course atlanta and the metro areas around it. that swing through southern georgia actually helped bill clinton when the state by just over half a percentage point. that would end up being the last time a democratic presidential candidate won the state of georgia until 28 years later, when of course joe biden took that very same state by just under a quarter of a percentage point. that 1992 campaign was also the last time a democrat presidential ticket campaigned in southern georgia, until today. vice president kamala harris and her running mate, tim walz, made their own pilgrimage to bob country. they visited a small georgia high school, met with a marching band, stopped in at a local barbecue pit, all before holding a rally in savannah tomorrow. just a few months ago georgia appeared out of reach for

democrats this cycle but since kamala harris took her place at the top of the ticket, georgia has rapidly moved back into play for democrats and the harris campaign is hoping that by boosting support from black and working-class rural voters, they can actually build a winning coalition to take the state. so that is what the harris/falls walls campaign is doing to try to win the state of georgia. there actually reaching out to new voters, as they should be, from parts of georgia that don't typically vote for democrats. that's how they try to convince them to vote for them. now contrast that with what republicans are trying to do to win the state of georgia. for weeks now the georgia republican artie has been mired in scandal over the actions of three election denying, pro- trump officials who sit on the state's election board. those three pro-trump officials are in the process of changing the state's election rules, giving you power to local officials to block the certification of election

results over allegations of fraud. normally allegations of fraud are handled by the courts, where they should be. we saw this in 2020 when trump led efforts to challenge the election results were actually resoundingly shot down by federal and state judges across the court, all over the country. but under the georgia election board's new rules, local pro- trump officials could delay and even refuse to certify election results under the pretext of investigating voting irregularities, potentially throwing the entire election into chaos. a lawsuit supported by the harris campaign is already underway to try and block those new georgia election rules. a group of georgia democratic lawmakers are also urging the state apps republican governor to open an ethics investigation into those pro-trump election board members. george's republican governor, brian kemp, is reportedly looking into whether or not he has the authority to open such an investigation.

we're going to speak to one of the democratic lawmakers leading the effort in just a bit. but for now, as, harris and tim walz try to reach new voters in georgia, republicans appear to be trying to win the state by working the referee's. of the course the question now is what will all of this mean come november? joining me now is verron haynes, editor at large of the 19th. thank you so much for joining us today. georgia a couple weeks ago, something that would've been on the minds of democrats. it is now front and center. there is a path to victory that runs through georgia. how significant is it that you have this two day bus tour going through southeast georgia , just 68 days until the election? we're not talking about atlanta or the metro atlanta area. we are talking about rural southern georgia. >> was in, you are a georgia native. i'm a georgia native. we know that the risk is in not getting outside of atlanta this year, as that's where a lot of the voters that she's going to need for this winning coalition are. there are 159 counties in

georgia and for democrats, getting outside of atlanta is unusual, just as for republicans, going to atlanta is a thing that's unusual. it's usually republicans that are in place across the rest of the state but vice president harris is showing that she's willing to work for these people's votes. she was in a high school, she was at the savannah convention center. she went to go get barbecue, connecting with folks downing that part of the state and talking to them about the issues that matter to them, not just about affordability and opportunity, but also issues like rural healthcare, issues like the maternal mortality rate, which we know in south georgia is an issue. issues like gun violence and paid family leave. this is a message that resonates not just with conservative white women, a lot of whom are in this part of the state, but also with rural black voters. people forget that black people are also living in rural parts of the country and they certainly live in rural georgia, and they vote, especially in presidential elections. said going down there and nicking a play for those voters

may not be something that is difficult for democrats but let me just remind people, this is the map that folks like stacey abrams built and other grassroots organizers like black voters met. while that math did not work for stacey abrams in terms of getting her to the governor's mansion, it helped to elect two u.s. democratic senators and also a democratic president in 2020 and that strategy might just be something that works again in november. >> at such an important point that you bring up and it also reminds me a little bit sometimes how people view elections, it can be a little bit shortsighted because everybody thinks of it in terms of wins versus losses but you've got this strategy, this harris/walz campaign strategy, attracting voters outside of metro atlanta. let me just read for you what a georgia gop just said about it, and this is to political. they said we see them putting resources in forsyth county, a heavily republican county. some republicans are sort of confused why are they wasting

this money. i'm like, they are not trying to win forsyth county. they are trying to cut the margin. that is an important part of this. it's not just about winning every county that if you could even in some counties or even in the state reduce the margin by which donald trump may win or carry a county, you have a better shot in the other counties or districts where you have larger margins. >> that's exactly it. foresight county is not in play for democrats. i think i probably don't have to tell you that, it is not a democratic stronghold for folks who may be watching, who may not be familiar with forsyth county and its history. yes, cutting into those margins, getting some number, or some fewer number of folks to vote republican in that county, technically that is a win. we're talking about a state that president biden won by just about 12,000 votes, as we famously remember, in 2020. so this is not about winning every single county, but about making inroads, especially in some of these republican strongholds where people may be

open to the kind of message that vice president harris and governor walz are communicating and taking that message to places like south georgia, where people are also concerned about the economy, about democracy, about voting rights and reproductive rights. you know, just because those people are not necessarily in kind of the target rich areas that democrats have been used to does not mean that they cannot be part of a winning coalition for this campaign. >> let's talk about the messaging here, because the harris/walz campaign, they kind of pivoted their messaging and now it's all about joy. there is a sense of optimism. there is a sense of looking forward. but it also has focused on the struggles of working-class people. what does a vice president harris need to be talking about on the tour in georgia, in these areas, as her campaign

interacts with voters in the state? >> again, this is a part of the state where people are still very concerned about the price of groceries, where they are concerned about the price of gas. this was a place where people were disproportionately dying during covid and also were very eager to get back to work. so that would be something that governor kemp tapped into and was able to really get bipartisan appeal for his leadership, because he was somebody who they felt like was responsive during the pandemic and so really a lot of these voters can be very open on and around the issues. like i said, suburban conservative white women can be open on the issue of reproductive freedom. vice president harris has been a pretty effective surrogate in terms of talking about abortion , voting rights, as part of that broader message of freedom and what a healthy democracy looks like, so i think you'll see her probably continuing to hammer that message, particularly in georgia, which is very familiar and ë]gñis rea remembering the way that the state was targeted after 2020 with the big lie, even though

we know that georgia had a safe and free and fair election that was verified not once, not twice but three times. the idea that the message of freedom could be something that resonates in this part of the state and also the message of affordability i think is something that's going to be really important, not just to self georgians but to those middle-class americans that also can hear this message and see what she's doing down here. >> joy, freedom, affordability, a powerful trio of words there and messaging from the harris/walz campaign. verron haynes, greatly appreciate you starting us off this evening. on the opposite side of it, let's now talk about what republicans are trying to do in the state of georgia ahead of the presidential election. joining me now is state senator nikita is lynn parkes, who had filed an ethics complaint against the trump approved members of the state's election

board, who have passed new and confusing election rules less than three months before election day. thank you so much for being here. i'll start with your complaint because you allege that members of the board have been illegally collaborating with the chair of the georgia republican party on their proposed rules. last night rolling stone reported that one of those members, janice johnston, was also getting input from a member of gwinnett county's election board who is also an election denier. give me your reaction to that and also to the fact that president trump at a campaign rally literally thanked the three of them for their work not too long ago, just a couple days ago. >> look, our election board, our state election board right now has been taken over by maga republicans, election deniers who are trying to submit our democracy by passing new rules to obstruct the certification of election results. as you said, donald trump is calling out these election board members at his rallies, saying that they are pit bulls for democracy. one of them actually was looking for a job with the trump administration. it's very clear here that these from aligned election board

members are trying to cause doubt and chaos in our election system if donald trump doesn't win georgia once again, like he didn't in 2020. >> of course the pressure is building, as we've noticed now this story is gaining more traction but you've got the secretary of state read raffensperger releasing a statement which reads in part, activists seeking to impose last-minute changes in election procedures outside of the administrative process undermine voter confidence and bird in election workers. the former chair of the fulton county board of election has also filed an ethics complaint. georgia house democrats are asking the speaker to replace his appointee to the board and of course, as i mentioned, brother and her brian kemp says he's checking with the attorney general to see if he can replace those members. how quickly do you expect a response? what is the likelihood that some of these -- even though they are republican officials, will actually take up this issue and address it forcefully? because chaos is part of the objective of what they want to

happen. >> absolutely. look, the republican secretary of state even said that this election board is a mess. you had the attorney general, who said that the meeting they had on july 12th, which violated the open meetings act, was illegal. they are doing everything that they can to subvert our democracy. and so brian kemp 100% has the authority to convene a hearing to investigate these maga election board members. now he's passing the buck to his ag but he has the authority to execute a hearing. and that being said, in 2012, the georgia supreme court even said that a governor has the authority to remove a board member from a board if it was created by a statute and the state election board was created by georgia statute. so he can go ahead and do this now but he's deciding to delay this, to pass the buck to the

ag. he's headlining fundraisers for trump. we just need him to do the right thing, and look, we should be both able to agree that anyone who runs for office in georgia should be able to win their election fair and square. >> are we seeing anywhere else across the state and how worried are you about these rules being implemented in 159 counties there? >> i'm very worried. look, after donald trump didn't win in 2020, they lost their minds. they started passing local laws at the state legislature to take bipartisan election boards that have historically been partisan and made the majority republican. it's been death by 1000 cuts and this, these rules are their grand finale. it's like they're implementing mass chaos and confusion to our election system because republicans can't win on policy. there trying to cheat once again. >> state senator kabila is lynn parkes, thank you so much for joining me tonight.

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you you might know rfk junior because of the story about him dumping a bear carcass in central park or maybe you know him because of a story of him sawing off the head of a beached whale and driving the skull home while, quote, whale juice streamed down the side of the family minivan. you may even know rfk junior because of the story about how he had a literal brain worm. however you know rfk jr., you should know that now not only

is he on donald trump's presidential transition team, but trump and his running mate, j.d. vance, think there could be even more room for him in a trump administration. >> i think he adds a lot to -- if we win, he's got some very interesting ideas and good ideas. i think he'll be a fantastic and influential person in terms of getting this country back on track. >> i hope rfk has a role as i think he's a smart guy. i think he's a fundamentally good guy and i'm glad to have him on the team. >> that trump/vance ticket is already fighting allegations that they are weird but is this the way you change that impression, by bringing rfk into the mix? joining me now is tim miller, writer at large with the bowler. tim, thank you so much for joining me tonight. forgive the metaphor here but what do you think of this trump/vance bear hugging rfk

jr. like this? >> it's the whale one that gets me. i don't know, i just think about it. the minivan and the juice. anyway. i don't get it. like i get it i guess for short- term political purposes. i think that a lot of the kind of soft rfk support people were just the so-called double heaters., le has kind of gobbled them up over the last month and that explains her poll movement, really. so the remaining rfk voters were pretty trumpy and conspiratorial and antiestablishment so you think getting the endorsement maybe he could bring some of those folks on board. what i don't understand is going to the next step of saying that rfk is going to play a key role in the next administration. rfk told tucker i guess that he's one of the leaders on the transition team for trump if he wins, which is pretty scary. that, i think, has the ability to really turn off a lot of voters, talking with erin haynes earlier, the suburban, exurban, former republican

swing voters in suburbs that he needs, and i just think if you are one of those voters, you are a more traditional old- school republican and you're looking at this group, and it's vance, who doesn't care about ukraine at all, and it's weird rfk with the brain worm in the vaccine conspiracies. it's tells who is putin's number one fan in congress. they are not offering anything to that folder so i do think that that's a political risk in addition to kind of the brand risk of just being weird. >> let me ask you about tulsi for a minute because she is the other wildcard that i guess he's added to this, in a different way. maybe not the conspiratorial way but as you said, really doubling down on this kind of pro-russia messaging of the modern republican party under trump. both rfk and gabbard have strangely enough endorsed bernie sanders back in 2016 and after that election there was a lot of talk about the so-called sanders/trump voter, this kind of working class white guy.

voters who voted for bernie in the primary and then trump in the general election. does that vote or even still exist in 2024? >> a decent percentage of them were trump voters in 2016, were donald trump voters now sewer you are not gaining anything by getting people who had already voted for trump twice. you see them out there on the internet. they are very online. you know they're posting on reddit. it's glenn greenwald. he lives in brazil so his vote doesn't really count that much but there are a handful of these people. but they are way, way more romney voting republicans, millions that don't really like donald trump. i mean there aren't clearly enough to take over the republican party. it's a huge minority in the republican party but in a general election as a swing voter population, there are so many more of those than there are kind of this weird other side of the horseshoe, conspiratorial, anti-vax, president putin voter. there is far fewer of those.

so i don't understand. trump is offering nothing to the haley voter. haley herself has gone along with it because of her own ambition, which i think is pretty morally repulsive. but really the kamala ticket, not a lot of policy, domestic policy, but on themes, the patriotism, standing with nato on foreign policy, i think that kamala was offering a lot more at her convention last week to that voter than this gabbard/rfk/trump three-headed monster. >> and you still have j.d. vance, out of all people, speaking of weird, who is attached to this because i want to play you this recently unearthed type of j.d. vance speaking to a christian group about education back in 2021. watch. >> so many of the leaders of the left -- and i hate to be so personal about this, but they are people without kids trying to brainwash the minds of our children and that really

disorient me and it really disturbs me. randi weingarten, who is the head of the most powerful teachers union in the country, she doesn't have a single child. if she wants to brainwash and destroy the minds of children, she should have some of her own and leave hours the hell alone. >> we already know that vance 's childless cat lady remarks did not go over well on the left but it also strikes me, tim, that criticizing childless teachers now might not go over too well on the right, either because of the role of catholic nuns or just because the absurdity that you can only be a good teacher if you have children. how does the right view j.d. vance's comments like this? do they like him or do they just think this is even going to get weirder and weirder every time he speaks? >> look, i had nun teachers. i think they are catholic, right, voters on the right that look like what is this guy talking about. he also is kind of obsessed about this. there is going to be a big gap in this election but there are still women republicans and eventually they start looking at this guy and it's like why is he so obsessed with whether women have children or not, and

women's wombs, and hear that he's just constantly talking about this on all these podcasts and all these interviews that he was doing, and it seems like a very personal vendetta he has against women who either chose not to or were unable to have children. like it doesn't gain you anything politically, and yes, it is weird to be obsessed with this and to talk about that in that manner. >> it's going to be interesting to see how he defends himself if there is a debate between him and tim walz on this issue. tim miller, it was great to see you. thank you so much. appreciate your time, as always. still ahead tonight, as concerns grow over donald trump's efforts to undermine confidence in the election before it even happens, democrats are finding new ways to fight back. but first, can kamala harris flip north carolina like barack obama did back in 2008? i'm going to talk to michael blake of win with black men about that and the black voter turnout could make it all happen. that's next. nt. ♪♪) we need a miracle. miracle every thursday starting at 2:45.

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i'll tell i'll tell you this -- if kamala harris wins north carolina, she is the next president of the united states. >> do sni■you really think that state is in play, your home state is in play? >> absolutely. >> explained to me why. >> i have that 2008 feeling. >> the last time a democratic presidential candidate won north carolina was 2008, when barack obama narrowly defeated john mccain. ráhleadi

the ticket, democrats leave they have a chance to win north carolina again, and they might be onto something. right now presidential polling %-úshow zy=la tight race with vá former president donald trump in a statistical dead heat. this week the nonpartisan cook political report shifted north carolina's presidential race from lean republican to toss- up. in 2008, obama relied heavily on strong black turnout in rural counties to win north carolina h gains in these areas, a question arises -- can, harris create her own 2008 moment? joining me now is michael cñá w ceo and founder of atlas strategy group and the cohost of tonight's win with black men, a call which began about

two hours ago. michael, it's great to see you. making time for us. you have a busy night following the yankees game so we won't take up too much of your time but let me get your e:rñthought just tell me about tonight. how did that call go? what were some of the key be■ takeaways from it and the momentum that continues to build around it? >> brothers are excited and seeing other men of color appreciate to continue what you 6:.! on the air and it's about sending the message on the march on washington anniversary, that we are showing that brothers are goingx to support the president and mobilizing that regard. 6i we were able to have incredible leaders, the lieutenant governor of michigan, darlene gilchrist, career minded people that early voting is effectively 40 days out from the election, talking about pennsylvania, a state that i was in four years ago where we didn't win the state until that saturday. having the mobiájçq%=9 steven horsford from nevada as the chair of the cdc and national campaign cochair. the framing was we are not going to sit on the sidelines from reverend dr. gerald early in the march on washington years ago, if i can, you can. that was the kind of momentum we are communicating tonight to the 6700 that are on the line but continuing on @zy÷the clear trajectory that brothers are

ready to support the vice president becoming president. >> i'm going to ask you about the march on washington and the pin. you are wearing an historic 10 point let me get your thoughts on -- i know you're talking about black men and they are not monolithic bu: in this country coalesce around that may be part of other groups but also unique to them, that the harris/waltz campaign commit and address and change from what they've had over the last couple years? 35■ >> job creation has to be continually a part of it. i lead the african american outreach and visibility department under president obama. we sustained vetiver here so people want to hear what are we doing in that regard. so what we hear from the black economic alliance around work, wages and wealth, continuity has to be clear to the brothers in addressing what happens to cost-of-living. cornell belcher talks about that all the time. we have to be focused around cost-of-living and economic impact. thereafter it's also around justice and the framing that happens. center for police and equity and forward continued to demonstrate have to be addressing what's happening around justice and making suren we get the george floyd act passed and implemented and

creating those > let me ask you < something we just heard there from governor roy cooper of north carolina, saying he had a feeling, something similar to what happened in 2008 with barack obama carrying north carolina. obviously president biden carried georgia as well. these states are now firmly in play for the vice president anda tim walz. what is different about this moment than in 2008? they're both history making candidates but are the issues the same or is there something different that's at play that makes this moment unique? >> there is definitely different. i was in '08 and saw the energy. i was actually with governor

cooper who was ag back in y;vth day. we hit up bojangles. anyone it is about carolina, you got to get bojangles. here are some of the things that are different this time around. when you have a black woman who was a part of a sorority as vice president harris, it's going to create different energy and mobilization on the ground. when you have an opportunity as we've that countered the nonsense of mark robinson, we're going to be real clear about communicating that message every single i(ñday and all day when you have an opportunity with him coming, the greatest homecoming on pmarth that north carolina anc, these are different dynamic second shift here and bring momentum this way but tying it all together, when you have a mobilization that is happening now are people are saying we have to be engaged now as well as the voter protections effort, shout out to the team doing that as well, we recognize yes uthere was history made in 2008 there was her story made in 2024 because we see we can get to the white house in kamala harris. we startedñ off talking about a

little history with the march on washington. let me ask you about that pin you are wearing. 61 years to the day of that historic moment. connect the dots for us. what's the through line between that moment and the moment we find ourselves today in this country? >> grateful for my dear friend z ken cooper who gave me this pin and recognizing equally one of the original programs, and understanding the magnitude of the moment, when you have byard effectively into months, when h. you had dr. dorothy irene height who said né give the full speech, the connection of it all is making it very clear, as they did before. they had demands. they had po% 2 often when we talk about marches, people try to separate it out. that's why we're excited 2h4]q project freedom and until freedom. cause like our own but it's about laying out the connection. is not just about margin for marching's sake. >> it wasn't just a speech. >> it was about policy. they were very clear and it was a march on washington for jobs and freedom and s÷ñi do think tó connection of it all, talking about freedom, talking about joy is what people are looking for and they're excited about right now. is giving everyone an

opportunity to say we want to be a part of something bigger and we see that right now within the march. we see that right now with the mobilization and it's about our job of saying this is our kairos. we say îv■we go from our cronus our kairos comedy opportunities to create a moment for freedom and joy. and that still resonate today. michael, thank you so much for your time. really appreciate it. best of luck to you. take care. a quick break. afterwards we have much more to get to tonight including how democrats are preparing to fight any potential challenges ÷ donald trump might make to the election results. we going to talk to former obama campaign manager jim obama campaign manager j9iñthat next. next. 's why i love my swiffer wet. i pop on a pad and get a mop-like clean floor in just one swipe. wow! and for hair try swiffer dry cloths. the fluffy cloths pick up hair like a magnet. swiffer. you'll love it or your money back.

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i know i know there are things that you are not in ;s ÷favor o this ballot harvesting, this mail in ballots. >> it's all terrible. it shouldn't be allowed. it's a whole different mindset. >> but it is. >> anytime you have a mail-in ballot there is going to be massive fraud. >> donald trump is already trying to undermine the results of the upcoming presidential election. he is laying the groundwork to potentially challenge the outcome and democrats are preparing to fight back. former obama l(mq(aign manager jim messina will chair the newly launched democracy defenders pac which will raise money for messaging and legal action against republican election challenges. the group has already attracted some well-known talent like attorney norma eisen, biden/húz# tj duck low and a lower leg

t■a former stacey abrams. in a statement messina said we are not messing around with this , too much 7:wis on the line an we've seen what trump is capable of when he loses an election fair and square. joining me now, jim messina, former obama campaign manager and chair of jsdbthe democracy defenders pac. jim, it's great ze let's talk about hypotheticals here. what sort of challenges do you expect trump to bring after election day and do you expect him at least to try and effect the races up and down the ballots, as well? >> absolutely. it's not even through election day. he's already starting. to your point, he's out there gp undermining democracy, talking about how normal ways like mail- in voting are wrong. in voting are wrong. 5■p the georgia state efforts. they are already calling questions, already talking about lawsuits. his campaign manager said at

the republican jj convention that it would be over on election day, it k only be over on inauguration day, which shows you what they're going to do. they're going to fight this thing tooth believe president trump when he says he wanhp%cto be a dictator on day one. i believe him when he says he wants to stop some of fq2ñthese ways that people vote all across the country, and we just decided enough is (3áenough. we are not going to take it anymore. >> jim, you said in a statement that we are going to be stepping up and providing resources directly to state parties and allies on the ground to make sure every american can cast their vote .h÷ with confidence and without interference. be directly helping local officials fight these challenges. we started this program tonight talking about what is taking place in georgia and the chaos that election board members there are trying to so already. but how do you challenge that when you see this taking place on such a local grassroots level? >> r6&mit's a great question. .x we are going

immediately into the field and grants to state parties and allied organizations that to your points are actually on the ground, fighting these every day. we are going u+0■to help with messaging, talk about why these things are bad, make sure everyone is talking off the same hymn sheet here and then third, we are drñgoing to make sure that everyone understands the resources that are out there, how they can fight some of this stuff, how we can go to court and get emergency staysfh[ how we can really deal with some of these things that we can be really fast and the way you be fast is move money to organizations on the ground. and so that's what we're going to do. democracy defenders pac to be actively involved in legal battles;vñ■ç1 not just election day, but as you mentioned, all the way up to inauguration day? will remember, we are old enough to remember what çyko

january 6. there is no reason to believe that if they lose this time, it will not be a repeat, even perhaps on a .1 large?h÷and worse scale, even o state-level. >> you're exactly right. part of what democracy defenders -- and 62z÷by the way love the name of this new thing. it makes me feel like i'm going to be a superhero. avengers, exactly. we're going to do three things. we are going to move $10 million to local and state organizations. we're going to absolute the be the tip of the sphere on lawsuits all the way up into the inauguration day, for anyone who is trying to push back and so discord on the democracy. and then three, after ç;çfinaug day, going to continue to talk about why it's so important to do these things, why it's so important to have free and fair elections. you and i kind of grew up in a world where we thought that was pretty much assumed. apparently we are not in that world anymore and so we've gotú about why things like mail-in re so important to preserve our

democracy. >> people involved right now. obviously you have an initial budget of $10 million. how much are riyou df rhoping t raise to really be able to fight back against these election challenges? i think last time we were talking about maybe 60 different cases across the country. this time it may be even more if donald trump loses. how are you trying to get ordinary folks involved in this effort?+q >> it's going to take all of us, right? it's going to take an absolute village, as hillary clinton said, to fight this stuff, and it's not just about money. it's also education, the work ■ñ you are doing talking about these things, covering things like what's happening in georgia. not a lot of people are covering this stuff so we're about these things, as well, and highlighting stories from the ground up. e"ñ i think part of this is just building a grassroots movemeésyh of people who understand what's happening and can talk about it and push back on it.

so money is great but it really has to we're going to work really closely with state artese and state organizations to make sure we can do that. >> all right. jim messina, i'm going to congratulate you on assembling the avengers and now fighting to defend our dvñr(áp(v we definitely need it going into the election. jim messina, greatly appreciate your time and insights this evening. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> we'll be right back. that grimy film on your teeth? dr. g? ♪♪ it's actually the buildup of plaque bacteria which can cause cavities. most toothpastes quit working in minutes. but crest pro-health's antibacterial fluoride protects all day. so it stops cavities before they start... crest. hey, everybody. w. kamau bell here. they say that america is the land of the free.

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people according to palestinian health authorities. since the start of the war in gaza 10 months ago, israel has conducted nearly daily raids in the occupied west bank. this current operation may be the largest in more than 20 years. today israel's foreign minister said this is a war in every sense as he compared the situation in the west bank to what is happening in gaza where over 40,000 people have been killed. the raids, as tensions continue to rise throughout the region. last weekend israel and hezbollah exchanged the heaviest attacks since october 7 and iran has yet to act after vowing vengeance against israel last month. joining me now is a palestinian american middle east analyst and member of the national policy counsel for the arab american institute. good to have you on the show. sad that it is these reasons, but the west bank raids come two weeks after the united states approved an additional $20 billion in arms sales to

israel. what do you make of this military operation and escalation that we are seeing now in the occupied west bank? >> i think for context which i think is important, it is important to remember that israel's occupation of the west bank is illegal under international law. israel does not belong in the west bank at all and yet for decades they have been on this project of expansion and land take over and ethnically cleansing palestinians and pushing them in smaller and smaller areas of the west bank. this has been going on for a long time and israel saw an opportunity given the attention of the entire world focused on gaza to escalate further in the west bank. more than 650 palestinians have been killed since october to this day. under normal circumstances this would be a massive crisis that would grab the entire world's attention, but it is only in

the shadow of greater horrors and more than 40,000 palestinians being killed in gaza that israel has gotten away with it and naturally this is creating resistance as this always does and now israel is increasing military operations. operating under the false premise that they have been diluted with for a long time that you can somehow pummel palestinians into submission if you can kill a little bit more, steal more and torture and imprison, but this is a recipe for further violence as history has shown us. we need the exact opposite. we need the world to act to restrain israel to recognize palestinian rights. that is the recipe for a better future. >> what you expect will come from this operation and what is the likelihood that it might as you mention inflame tensions in the west bank and possibly ricochet throughout the region. if israel feels emboldened about what it has done without any consequence, what is to stop them from doing worse in

the west bank? >> i think we are on the road to further escalation at this point. israel has seen there have been no material consequences. certainly the image in the international community has taken a significant hit given the scale of the atrocities, but as long as they have u.s. backing i think they're having to proceed to take as much land as they can and behave the way that they are and the possibility for a very significant escalation. whether it is in the west bank or another uprising could break out. whether it is the potential for a regional war with lebanon and iran i think is also increasing day by day. the obvious solution to all of this in the immediate present is to get a cease-fire in gaza to have an end to this onslaught and that would diffuse regional tensions with lebanon and iran and from there we can start working toward much more to start working with the fundamental problem that has led us to this point, which is the fact palestinians have

been living under israeli control without any rights for decades and that is a recipe that will lead to endless violence as it has over and over again. people talk about it as if it is a slogan, no justice, no peace. but i think it is a description of basic human nature that in any situation where there is long-lasting injustice, that peace cannot follow. that this will lead to conflict and people interested in resolving conflicts have to look at those causes and work for justice and equality and human rights for all. that is how we move the ball in a better direction than the path we are on. >> let me ask you about the cease-fire negotiations to end the war. obviously ongoing. it is unclear if there is an agreement possible at this point. bombings continue in gaza. disease is now rampant in gaza. a 10-month-old baby was confirmed to have polio, the first case inside the strip in almost 25 years. first you think a cease-fire deal as it stands is possible?

what do you think it will actually take to end this war? >> the obvious impediment to a cease-fire is the fact that netanyahu is not interested in ending this war. this has been clear over and over again. even though hamas has been recalcitrant through this process, they ultimately agreed to a cease-fire in which they release the hostages, even agreeing to a temporary cease- fire. netanyahu has found every reason impossible and the problem is to say what is allowing netanyahu to behave the way he has currently? the reason he is continuing this war is for purely personal reasons. he is worried about his legacy and political career if he allows this to end without resolution and the question is how many more palestinian children have to be killed before the u.s. says enough is enough and start using its leverage, in this case the obvious leverage, to get netanyahu to respect international law and rights and lookout to what