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a drizzly campaign stop in 1992. clinton was campaigning that day in a small town of albany, georgia part of a bus tour which n which the campaign called bubbas for bill. it was notable at the time because southern georgia was known to be rural and conservative than the states northern region that includes atlanta and the metro areas around it. that swing through southern georgia helped bill clinton win the state by just over half a percentage point. that would end up being the last time a democratic presidential candidate won this state of georgia until 28 years later when joe biden took that very same state by under a quarter of a percentage point. that 1992 campaign was also the last time a democratic presidential ticket campaigned in southern georgia. until today. when vice president harris and her runningmate, tim walz made

their own pilgrimage to bubba country. visited a small high school, met with a marching band, stopped in at a local bbq pit before holding a rally in savannah tomorrow. just a few months ago, georgia appeared out of reach for democrats this cycle. since kamala harris took her place at the top of the ticket, georgia has rapidly moved back into play for democrats the harris campaign is hoping by boosting support from black and working class rural voters they can actually build a winning coalition to take the state. that is what the harris-walz campaign is doing, they are reaching out to new voters, as they should be, from parts of georgia that don't typically vote for democrats, that is how they try to convince them to vote for them. contrast them with that to what republicans are trying to do to win the state of georgia. for weeks now, the georgia republican party has been mirrored in scandal over the actions of three election

voters and trump officials. those three trump pro officials are giving new power to local officials to block the certification of election results over allegations of fraud. normally allegations of fraud are handled by the courts where they should be. but, we saw this in 2020 when trump led efforts to challenge the election results were shot down by federal and state judges across the court. all over the country. but, under the georgia election boards new rules, local pro trump officials could delay and even refuse to certify election results under the pretext of investigating voting irregularities. throwing the entire election into chaos. a lawsuit is underway to try to block those new georgia election rules. the group of georgia democratic lawmakers are urging the state's republican governor to open an ethic's investigation

into those pro-trump election board members. georgia's republican member kemp is looking into when or not he has the authority -- weather or not he has the authority to open it up. we will speak to one of them speaking in just a bit. for now, they try to reach new voters in georgia republicans appear to be trying to win the state by working the referees. of course, the question now is, what will it all mean come . it is now front and center for democrats, a path to victory that runs through georgia. how significant is it that you have this two day bus tour going through southeast georgia just 68 days until the election. we are not talking about atlanta or metro atlanta area. rural southern georgia. >> yeah. you are a georgia native, i am

a georgia native. we know the risk is not getting outside of atlanta there year. that is where a lot of the voters she will need for this winning coalition are. 159 counties in georgia. and for democrats, getting outside of atlanta is unusual just as for republicans going to atlanta is unusual. republicans are in play across the rest of the state. you know, vice president harris is showing she is willing to work for these people's vote. she was at a high school, she was at the savannah ?m(conventi center. at the bbq, connecting with folks down in the state and talking to them about the issues that matter to them. not just about affordability and opportunity but also, you know, issues like rural health care, issues like the mortality rate that we know in south georgia is an issue. issue like gun violence and paid family leave. this is the message that can resinate not just with conservative white women a lot of whom are in this part of the

state. black people are also living in rural parts of the country. they certainly live in rural georgia and they vote, especially in presidential elections. so, you know, going down there and making a play for those voters may not be something that is typical for democrats but let me remind people, there is the plan that folks like stacy abrams built and others like black voters matter. while it did not work for stacy for getting her to the governor's mansion it worked to elect two senators and democratic president in 2020. they are betting that strategy might be something that works again in november. >> it is an important point that you bring up. it reminds me a little bit how people view elections. it can be short sided everyone thinks about it as wins versus losses. you have a strait go. this harris-walz campaign attracting voters outside of metro atlanta. i will read to you what a georgia gop said about it.

we see them putting resources in forsyth county and heavy republican counties, some republicans are sort of confused why they are wasting this money. they are not trying to win forsight county forsyth county. but in some counties if you can reduce the margin in which he may win or carry a county you have a better shot in the other counties or districts where you have larger margins. >> that is exactly it. look, it is not in play for democrats. i think i don't have to tell you that, but it is not a democratic strong hold for folks who may not be watching for folks who are not familiar with the county and its history. cutting into the margins, getting some number or fewer folks to vote republican in that county would, technically it is a win. we are talking about a state that president biden won by

12,000 votes as we famously remember in 2020. so, this is not about, you know, winning every county but about making inrodes, especially in some of the republican strong holds where people may be open to, you know, the kind of message that vice president harris and governor walz are communicating and taking that message to places like south georgia where people are also concerned about the economy, about democracy, about voting rights and, and reproductive rights. just because those people are not necessarily kind of in the target rich areas that democrats are used to does not mean they can not be part of a winning coalition for this part of the campaign >> let's talk about the messaging here. harris-walz campaign pivoting the message. all about joy. a sense of optimism and sense of looking forward. it also has focused on the struggles of working class people. what does vice president harris

need to be talking about on the tour in georgia in these areas as her campaign interacts with voters in the state? >> yeah, again, this is, part of the state where people are still concerned about the price of groceries, they are concerned about the price of gas. this is a place where people were dying during covid, and also, very eager to get back to work, right? and so, that, that is something that the governor tapped into and was able to really get bipartisan appeal for his leadership because he was somebody who they felt like was responsive during the pandemic. so, really, a lot of the voters can be open on and around the issues. cobconservative right wing. and here harris has been in terms of talking about abortion, voting and freedom of

democracy and what it looks like. we will see them hammers the message. particularly in georgia to which is very familiar and, and it is remembering the way that the state is targeted after 2020 with the big lie. even throw we know georgia had a safe and free and fair election not once, not twice but three times. so the idea that the message of freedom can be something that resinates in this part of the state and also the message of affordability i happening is something that will be important, not just south georgians but the middle class americans that can be hearing the message and seeing what she is doing down there. >> joy, freedom, affordability, a powerful trio of words there. eerin thank you. >> on the opposite side, let's talk about the republicans and what they are doing. joining me now, filing an ethic

complaint against the trump- approved members of the state election board that passed new and confusing election rules less than three months before election day. parks, thank you very much for being here. i will start with your complaint. you allege members of the board have illegally collaborating with the chair of the republican party. last night rolling stones reported one of the members was also getting input from a member of the election board who is also an election denier. give me your reaction to that and to the fact that president trump at a campaign rally literally thanked the three of them for their work. not too long ago, a couple days ago.. >> reporter: look, our state election board has been taken over by maga republicans election deniers who are trying to pass new rules to obstruct the certification. as youd, donald trump is

calling them out at the rallies saying they are pit bulls for democracy. one of them was looking for a job with the trump administration. it is very clear here that these trump-aligned election board member presidency are trying to cause doubt and chaos in our election system if trump does not win georgia, once again, like he didn't in 2020. >> of course the pressure is building, the story is getting more traction, you have the secretary of state releasing a statement which reads activists seeking to impose last minute changes in election procedures outside of the legislature process undermined confidence and burden election workers. georgia house democrats are asking the speaker to replace his appointee to the board and governor kemp says he is checking with the attorney general to see if he can replace those members. how quickly do you expect a

response? what is the likelihood that some of these, even though they are republican officials take up this issue and address it forcefully. chaos is part of the objective of what they want to happen. >> absolutely. look, the republican state , second of state said this election board is a mess. you have the attorney general who said that the meeting they had on july 12th which violated the open meetings act was illegal. they are doing everything they can to sobvert our democracy. he has the right to look into it. he is passing the buck to his ag but he has the authority to execute a hearing. that being saturday in twenty12 the georgia supreme court -- that being said in 2012 the georgia supreme court has the means to remove a board member.

the state election was created by georgia statue. he can go ahead and do it now. he is deciding to delay this to pass the buck to the ag. he is headlining fundraisers for trump. we both should be able to agree anyone who runs for office in georgia should be able to win their election fair and square. >> are we seeing it anywhere else? >> i am worried. after trump did not win in 2020 they lost their minds, they started passing local laws at the state legislature to take bipartisan election boards that have been historically bipartisan and made them majority republican. it has been death by 1,000 cuts. this, these rules they are their grand finale, implementing mass chaos and confusion to our election system because republicans can

not win on policy they are trying to cheat once again. >> state senator, thank you for joining me tonight, greatly appreciate it as always. >> thank you for having me. we have a lot more for you on tonight's show, including another state in the south that may be up for grabs by the harris-walz campaign. a look at trump and vance's troubling embrace of rfk, jr, that is coming up next jr, that is coming up next

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the story of how he had a brain worm. you should know now not only is he on trump's presidential transition team but trump and his runningmate j.d. vance think there could be more room for him in a trump administration. >> i think he add to a lot -- if we win. he has very interesting ideas and good ideas, i think he will be a fantastic and influential person in tomorrows of getting this country back on track. >> i hope rfk has a role. i think he is a smart guy, fundamentally a good guy and i am glad to have him on the team. >> trump/vance ticket is fighting allegations they are weird but is this the way to change that impression by bringing rfk into the mix? joining me now is tim miller. writer at large at the baller.

forgive the metaphor here what do you think? >> it is the whale one that gets me. i don't know, i think about it, the minivan and the juice, any way. i don't, i don't get it. look, i get it i guess for short term political purposes. i think that a lot of the kind of soft art, the double haters kamala harris will gobel them up over the last month and it explains a lot of her poll movement, really. the remaining rfk voters were trump and conspiracy and antiestablishment, you think getting the endorsement can bring some of those folks on board. but, i don't understand is going to the next step of saying that rfk will play a co role in the next administration. that rfk told tucker he is one of the leaders on the transition team if he wins which is scary. that i think has the ability to

turn off a lot of voters you were talking about in hains in hae nirks z that he -- in the rural area, you are looking at the group, vance that does not care about ukraine and weird rfk with the brain worm and the vaccine conspiracies and it is tulsi, and what are they, they are not offering anything to that voter. so, i do think that is a political risk in addition to being the brand risk of just being weird. >> i will ask, let me ask you about tulsi. the other wild card he add to this in a different way. not the conspiracy way but as you said really doubling down on this kind of pro-russia messaging of the modern republican party under trump, rfk strangely enough endorsed bernie sanders. after that, a lot of talk about

the sanders/trump voter, this working class white guy. voter that voted for bernie in the primary and trump in the general election ,does that voter still exist in 2024? >> reporter: we call them trump voters now, you are not gaining anything for people who voted for trump twice. there are some, you see them out there on the internet. they are very on line, posting on reddit but they are a handful of these people. they are way, way, way more, you know, romney-voting republicans, millions, that don't like donald trump. there are not clearly enough to take over the republican party, a huge minority in the republican party but in a general election as a swing voter population there are so many more of those than this weird other side of the

horseshoe conspiracy, anti-vax pro-putin voter. fewer of those. so, i think, i don't understand. trump is offering nothing to the haley voter. haley has gone along with it because of her own ambition which i think is morally impulsive. harris ticket, on themes, patriotism, and standing with nato and foreign policy i think that kamala harris was offering more at her convention to that haley voter than this rfk/trump/three headed monster is. >> you still have jd vance speaking of weird who is attached to this. i want to play you this recently unearthed clip of him speaking to a christian group about education, back in 2021. watch. >> so many ever the leaders of the left, i hate to be so personal about this, people without kids trying to brainwash the minds of our

children. that disorients me and disturbs me. randy wine garden head of the union, she does not have a child. if she wants to brainwash children he is should have some of her own and leave ours the hell alone >> we know childless cat lady remarks did not go over well on the left. it strikes me, tim, criticizing childless teachers now, might not go over too well on the right earth because of the role of catholic nuns or just because of the absurdity you can only be a good teacher if you have children. how does the right view j.d. vance comments like this. do they like him or think it is going to get weirder and weirder every time he speaks? >> reporter: look, i look i had nun teachers. i think catholic voters on the right that look at this what is this guy talking about and obsessed about this. you know, there will be a big gender gap but there are still

woman republicans out there. eventually they look at him, why is he so obsessed with if women have children and women's wombs, he is constantly talking about it on all of the podcasts and interviews he is doing. it seems like a personal van debtee he personal vendetta going on. seems hard to defend himself in that man near it will be interesting to see him defend himself in a debate if there is a debate on this. >> thank you very much. still ahead tonight, as concerns grow over trump's efforts to undermind confidence in the election before it even happens, democrats are finding new ways to fight back. but, first, can kamala harris flip like barack obama did in 2008. i will talk about that with black women and men and the

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north carolina was in 2008 when barack obama won. now with harris they believe they have a chance to win north carolina again and they might be on to something, right now presidential polling averages for north carolina show a tight race with harris and former president trump in a statistical dead heat. this week the political report shifted north carolina presidential race from leaning republican to tossup. 2008 barack obama relied heavily on strong black turnout in rural communities with trump's recent gains in these areas a question arises. can harris create her own 2008 moment? joining me now is michael blake. former staffer and ceo and founder of atlas strategy group and the co-host of tonight's win with black men. a call that began about two hours ago. great to see you, thank you for making time for us. i know you had a busy night and following the yankees game. we will not take up too much of your time. tell me about tonight.

how did that call go and what were the key takeaways on that. >> voters are excited. seeing other men of color appreciate what you continue to do on air. it is about sending a message on the march anniversary that we show we will support the vice president. we have incredible leaders, lieutenant governor who reminded people early voting is effectively 40 days out from the election. talking about pennsylvania, a state that was in four years ago. we did not win the state until that saturday. having the mobilization that from nevada is the chair of the c, dc a campaign co-chair. the frames was we will not sit on the sidelines, the same weigh we heard from reverend early on the march on washington years ago, if i can, you can, that was the momentum we were communicating tonight. but continuing on the clear trajectory that brothers are ready to support the vice president to become president. >> i am going to ask you about the march on washington you are

wearing a pin. i know about talking about black men, what are the issues that you think black men in this country may be part of other groups and unique to them that they want the harris-walz to commit and change. >> job creation has to be a part of it. i led the african out reach with barack obama we sustained the effort here. people want to hear what are we doing in that regard. when we hear about the black economic alliance around work and wages and wealth that has to be clear to the brothers and addressing what lanes with the cost of living, talking about it all of time. focused around cost of living. there after it is around justice and the framing. police and equitiy demonstrating what is happening around justice, and making sure we get the george floyd act passed and implemented and creating the opportunities. if is about making sure the brothers are part of what is going on in the game that is

why we created the project t. is about creating moments and it is part of what is happening here. sustain that is not just about the policies it is about the person, too often we are being told we are not going to -- support someone because someone else is saying that. no, we are engaging in mobilizing efforts such as black men and what is happening tonight across the country. >> let me ask you about something we just heard from governor cooper from north carolina saying he had a feeling something similar to what happened in 2008 with barack obama carrying north carolina, president barack obama carried georgia as well. these states are in play for the vice president and tim walz. what is different about there moment than in 2008? they are both history-making candidates, are the issues the same or is there something different at play that makes this moment unique? >> definitely different. i was in 2008 and saw the

energy, i was with governor cooper. it was ag. it was bo jingles, anyone in knows what it is. when you have a black woman part of sorority as vice president harris is, it will create a different energy and mobilization on the ground. when you have an opportunity like the vote table that countered the nonsense of robertson, we are going to be clear about communicating the message every day and all day. when you have an opportunity with loam comings, greatest -- home comings, greatest homecoming, those are things that can shift gears, tieing it all together, you have the mobilization that is happening now, people are saying we have to be engaged now, shout out to the teams doing that. we recognize, yes, history was made in 2008 but there will be history played in 2024, because we can see it as a way to get the white house in kamala harris. >> we started talking about the history with the march on washington. let me ask you about the pin,

61 years to the day of that historic moment. connect the dots for us. what is the line between that moment and the moment we find ourselves in today in this country. >> grateful for my dear friend ken cooper that gave me the pin and original programs in understanding the magnitude of the moment. when you have organizers of this march in two months, and saying dr. king has to give the full speech. the connection of it all, making it clear, they had demands, policy demands. too often when we talk marchs, people try to separate it out that is why we are excited about project freedom, causes like our own, but it is about laying out the connection, it is not just about marching for marching's sake. >> it was not just a speech. >> it was policy. >> very clear. >> a march on washington for jobs and freedom. i do think the connection of it all, talking about freedom and talking about joy is what people are looking if are and are excited about right now.

it is giving everyone an opportunity to say we want to be a part of something bigger. we see that now within the plamp. we zoo it right now with -- march, we see it right now, we say we have opportunities to create a moment for freedom and joy. >> a powerful message and one that resinated today, michael, thank you for your time today. best of luck >> you too. >> great to see you. a quick break. we have more including how democrats are getting ready to fight and challenges that trump might make to the election results. we will talk to former obama campaign manager about that and more. next about that and more. next leaffilter is a permanent gutter solution, so, you never have to worry about costly damage from clogged gutters again. it's the easiest call you can make. call 833.leaf.filter today, or visit leaffilter.com.

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challenges it has attracted well known talent. >> they said we are not messing around with this too much. it is so the line, withy have seen what trump is capable of when he loses an election fair and square. joining me now, former barack obama campaign manager and share of the pack. jim, it is great to have you on the show again. let's talk about hypotheticals now. what challenges do you expect trump to bring and do you expect him to, at least, try to effect the races up and down the ballot as well? >> absolutely. not even to election day, he is starting. to your point, underminding democracy talking about normal ways like mail in voting is wrong. had his people are trying to pack the georgia state efforts,

calling questions, talking lawsuits. his campaign manager said at the republican national convention it would not be over on election day it would only be over on inauguration day. which shows you what they are going to do. they are going to fight this thing tooth and nail. you know, i believe president trump when he says he wants to being a dictator on day one. i believe him when he says he wants to stop some of the ways that people vote all across the country. we just decided enough is enough. we are not going to take it anymore. >> jim, you said in a statement that we are going to be stepping up and provides resources directly to state parties and allies on the ground to make sure every american can cast their vote with confidence and without interference. tell me more about how you will be directly helping local officials fight these challenges. we started there program tonight talking about what is taking place in georgia and the chaos election board members are trying to sew already, how do you challenge that when you see this taking place on such a local grass roots level?

>> reporter: it is a great question, we are going to put $10 million immediately into the field and grants in state parties and allied organizations that are actually on the ground fighting these every day. we will help with messaging to talk about why these things are bad. make sure everyone is talking out of the same hymm sheet here. and make sure everyone understands the resources out there. how they can fight some of the stuff, how we can go to court and get emergency stays and how we can deal with some of these things, we need to be fast. the way you are fast is moving money to organizations on the ground. that is what we are going to do. >> are you prepared for the democracy defenders act to be actively involved in legal battles up until potentially not just election day but as you mentioned all of the way to inauguration day. we are all old enough to remember what happened four years ago on january 6th. no reason to believe if they

lose this time, it will not be a repeat even perhaps on a larger and worse scale, even on state level. >> oh, you are right. part of what democracy defenders, by the way i love the name of this new thing. makes me sound like i am a super hero >> like the avengers, exactly.. >> we will give money to state and local organizations, we will absolutely be the tip of the spear on lawsuits all of the way up until inauguration day for anyone trying to push back and sew a discord on the democracy and after inaugural day we will talk about why it is so important to do these things y it is so important to have free and fair elections. you and i grew up in a world where we thought that was assumed. apparently worry are not in that world any more. we have to continue to talk to people about why things like mail in ballot and early voting are so important to preserve

our democracy. >> let's talk about how you get people involved right now. obviously you have a budget of $10 million, how much are you hoping to raise to be able to fight back against these election challenges? last time we were talking about maybe 60 different cases across the country. this time it may be even more if donald trump loses. how are you trying to get ordinary folks involved in this effort? >> yeah it will take all of us, right? it will take a village as hillary clinton said to fight this stuff. it is not just money it is education, the work you are doing, talking about these things, covering things like what is happening in georgia, not a lot of people are covering this stuff. we will talk about this as well and highlighting stories from the ground up. i think part of there is just building a grass roots movement of people who understand what is happening and can talk about it. and push back on it. so, money is great but really it has to be at the grass- roots, we will work closely

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overnight, the overnight, the israeli military launched deadly airstrikes and rates across several areas in the occupied west bank, killing at least 10 people, according to palestinian health authorities. since the start of the war in gaza over 10 months ago, israel has conducted daily rate in the occupied west bank. this current ongoing military operation would be the largest. today's, israel's foreign minister says this is they were in every sense," as he compared

the situation in the west bank to what is happening in gaza, where over 40,000 people have been killed. the west bank raids, and tensions rise through the region. israel and let hezbollah exchanged the heaviest cross- border attacks since october 7th. iran has yet to act since vowing vengeance last month. me is palestinian american middle east analyst and a member of the national policy counsel for the arab american institute, it is good to have you on the show. sad it is for these reasons. the west bank raids come two weeks after the united states approved an additional $20 billion in arms sales to israel. what do you make of this military operation and escalation we are seeing in the occupied west bank? >> i think it just for context, which is really important, it is important to remember that israel's occupation of the west bank is illegal under international law. israel does not belong in the west bank at all. yet for decades now, they have been on this project of

expansion and land take over and ethnically cleansing palestinians and pushing them into smaller and smaller areas of the west bank. this has been going on for a long time. at this point, israel saw an opportunity, given the intention of the entire world being focused on gaza, to escalate further in the west bank. when you talk about the west bank, we have seen more than 650 palestinians have been killed since october 2 this day. under normal circumstances, this would be a massive crisis that would grab the entire world's attention. it is only in the shadow of far greater horrors and more than 40,000 palestinians being killed in gaza as the spawn under the radar, israel has gotten away with it. naturally, this is creating some resistance as this of violence always does and now israel is increasing its military operations, operating under the false premise that they have been diluted with for a long time that you can somehow pummel augustinians into submission. if you kill more, still a little more and torture and

imprison and besiege. this is a recipe for further and further violence. we need the opposite of this. we need the world to restrain israel. that is the recipe to a better future. >> what do you expect will come from this literary operation? what is the likelihood it might ask the, as you mentioned or suggested, inflame tensions in the west bank and ricocheted throughout the region? if israel feels so emboldened by what it has done in gaza without any consequence, what is to stop them from continuing to do even worse in the west bank? >> i think you are right, we are on the road to further escalation. israel has in there has been no material consequences. their image in the international community has taken a significant hit, given the scale of the atrocities they have committed. as long as they have u.s. backing in terms of military

funding, i think they are happy to proceed to take as much time and land as they have and behave the way they are. the possibility for a significant escalation, whether in the west bank or another uprising could break out, whether it is the potential for a regional warm with lebanon and iran, as long as we are on this path, is also increasing day by day. the obvious solution to all this in the immediate present is to get a cease-fire in gaza, to have an end to this onslaught. that would instantly diffuse regional tensions, especially with lebanon and iran and from there, we can start working toward much more to start dealing with the fundamental problem that has led us to this point in the first place, which is the fact that abyssinians have been living under israeli control without any rights for decades and that is a recipe that is going to lead to endless violence, as it has over and over again. there is a fundamental, people talk about it as if it is a slogan. no justice, no peace. it is a description of basic human nature. in any situation in which there is long-lasting injustice, that peace cannot follow. this is going to lead to conflict. people interested in resolving

conflict have to look at the underlying causes and work toward justice and equality and human rights for all. that is how we actually move the ball in a better direction than the path we are currently on. >> ask you about the cease- fire. negotiations to end the war are ongoing. it is really unclear if there even is an agreement that is possible at this point. the bombings continue in gaza. disease is now rampant in gaza. less than two weeks ago, a 10- month-old baby was confirmed to have polio, the first in case inside the strip in 25 years i believe. did you think a cease-fire deal, as it stands, is possible? what do you think it will actually take to end this war? >> the obvious impediment to a cease-fire is the fact that benjamin netanyahu is not interested in ending this war. this has been clear over and over again . even though hamas has been relatively recalcitrant, they have buckled and agreed to a cease-fire in which they release all the hostages, even agreeing to a temporary cease-fire and it is

benjamin netanyahu who has found every reason possible to say no to that particular deal . the problem, of course, behind that is to say what is allowing benjamin netanyahu to behave the way he currently is? the reason why he is continuing this war is for purely personal reasons. he's worried about his legacy and his political career. if he allows this war to end without any kind of resolution. the question is, how many more palestinian children have to be killed before the u.s. says enough is enough and start using its leverage? in this case, the obvious leverage, to get benjamin netanyahu to start respecting international law and human rights and looking out for even what american policy preferences are, is to pull the military funding or threaten it in a meaningful way. one thing i want to say real quick is that if american politicians psalm daily video briefings of the suffering of the people in gaza and the children who are being killed they in and day out, they would

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