>> so what we're saying is that our bill is targeting ads and robocalls and mailers. if somebody is putting something on the internet that is a deep fake or a parody or a satire, we're saying it has to be labeled as such. but the main thing we're trying to really do is to inform voters that everything you see or hear or read may not be true. if you have any questions about what you're seeing or hearing, please reach out to a trusted messenger. your secretary of state of admissions office. >> gail pepellerin, i'm sorry t cut you off but i ran out of time. it's going to governor gavin newsom's desk and is expected to sign it. >> thank you so much for your coverage. >> appreciate it. sorry for the lack of time. that'll do it for me. "deadline white house" starts right now.

today on a very special two-hour early bird edition of "the reid out." >> i'm proud of the work we have done that has brought inflation down to less than 3%. the work that we have done to cap the cost of insulin at $35 a month for seniors. donald trump said he was going to do a number of things, including allowing medicare to associate drug prices. never happened. we did it. >> some people don't eat bacon anymore. we are going to get the energy prices down. when we get energy down, you know, this was caused by their horrible energy wind. they want wind all over the place. >> dude, what? as vice president kamala harris was discussing the issues, grampy trump was rambling about the wind and bacon, or something. now, he's trying out a new pitch on abortion, literally flip-flopping to the democratic positions while his far-right

handmaid's tale base is telling him to get back in line. i'll be joined by a louisiana librarian who faced years of harassment after speaking out against censorship. she has written a new book about it. plus, the power of the latino vote. more than 36 million voters strong, and how both campaigns are trying to win this huge and diverse constituency over. we begin tonight with the cnn interview, the collective media demanded of vice president kamala harris, which she and her running mate, tim walz, granted to cnn's dana bash last night. according to nielsen ratings, it was a hit. 6 million americans tuned in to watch. what they saw was a roughly half hour long discussion where only four of the questions, four were not based on republican attack lines against the democratic

ticket. >> you were in favor of banning fracking, so yes. it changed in the campaign. >> 2020, i was clear where i stand. 2024, i will not change the position nor will i. i will keep my word. >> you raised your hand when asked whether or not the border should be decriminalized. do you still believe that? >> should be consequence. we have laws that should be followed and endorsed. you can't cross the border illegally. >> how can people be confident what you're saying now will be your policy moving forward? >> dana, the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed. >> at the same time, in la crosse, wisconsin, donald trump was had a town hall. apparently, trump didn't realize was a town hall.

moderated by former presidential candidate turned trumper, who recently endorsed the convicted felon and sexual assaulter. the town hall was another unhinged performance where the former president continued to unravel before our eyes. confused about what he was doing there and rambling about a litany of grievances from bacon and wind farms, to his favorite side topic, immigrants allegedly taking the black jobs. >> i had a speech all set for you. i was ready. they said, sir, you're actually doing a town hall. i said, oh. nobody told me that. they're coming in by millions and millions. a lot of them are taking the jobs for the black population. they are a threat to democracy. i'm not a threat to democracy. i mean, they picked this guy. [ crowd booing ] he is weird.

he's weird. i'm not weird. she was for everything you're not against. i could go through 14 different -- she's changed on every single one of them. >> oh, boy. that last bit is a point trump and his campaign have harped on, which is odd, coming from a guy who changed his party affiliation five times and changed his own positions even more. like how he used to support a woman's right to choose, then supported punishing women for choosing to have an abortion. a position he continues to flip-flop on. trump is set to speak at the annual gathering of moms for liberty later this evening. who knows what he'll believe by the time he gets there? vice president kamala harris and president joe biden, meanwhile, will make their first appearance together since she became the democratic presidential nominee in pennsylvania on labor day. her campaign also announced that it is launching a 50 plus stop reproductive freedom bus tour. the first stop will be next tuesday with an event near

donald trump's palm beach, florida, home. i have charles blow. "new york times" molly jong-fast. special correspondent for "vanity fair. "charlie sykes, of "the bulwark." you all are just really great journalists hanging out with me for a while. we'll go with that. molly, you and i have beenchit ery-chatting off camera. there was a demand this interview happen. >> yes. >> the harris campaign has been haranged by the media, by the press. you must give us an interview. >> right. >> were you as -- well, i guess i wasn't surprised but i was disappointed at what was done with the interview. i'm not bashing dana bash, not at all. this is not about her. but when the media demands an interview, it is interesting that only four of the questions were not, hey, donald trump said this horrible thing about you, respond. your thoughts? >> yeah, i would like to pull

back for a minute and say that before the media decided that the harris-walz campaign needed to do an interview, donald trump started -- republicans were like, why won't she sit for an interview? she must sit for an interview. then the media went on this train. >> don't they always? whatever trump says, the media says, oh, that must be the story. let's now recycle that and put it in our words. >> he tends to have some success as assignment editor. sometimes yes, sometimes no. people don't look at him critically at all in the media, which i think is surprising considering his long list of lies and untruths. >> yeah. >> but i thought -- what i thought was interviewing, there was pressure for her to sit for the interview. she sat for an interview. the goal of the interview is to get as much information as possible. >> correct. >> so when you ask her these, you know, why should she have to defend herself against a smear? like, what would the possible -- i mean, i think she did a great job of shutting down questions that were unanswerable. >> yeah. >> like asking her what she

thought about donald trump saying nasty things about her identity, being racist, like, what would she say? i thought she dealt with it really well. she said, next question. because that's -- >> what is she supposed to say? charles blow, i knew this question was coming. i knew it, i knew it. i've been in this business a long time, okay? but the idea that we are now simply recycling things donald trump says into what the media wants to know, as if that is helpful to any voter. there is a black person sitting right in front of you, and you're literally going to ask them to justify, are they black? you can see them. you're visually looking at them. it's called television. you can see them. the camera can see them. she is definitely black. so my question is, these questions are workshopped, right? so as an entity, this media entity decided that, out of the maybe ten questions they were going to get, limited time they had available, that's what you ask? your thoughts, charles?

i think you're on mute. you're mute. gremlins are getting charles blow. rewind, stop, stop. unmute yourself and start again, charles. i definitely want to hear what you have to say. you still muted? we're going to hold charles and figure out his audio situation. i'll go to david rothkopf. we're not being media organization nah-nah. i've interviewed vice president harris and would love to do it again, but there are so many policy questions on the table that are so interesting. you know, i mean, there's going to be perhaps two woman presidents in our hemisphere at the same time. the new president of mexico is a woman. what will be the policies toward latin america? you have maduro in venezuela. this is a huge crisis, like, right near us, south of mexico. there's so many interesting regional questions, economic questions to unpack with her. we're unpacking whether the black lady sitting in front of this interviewer is black. i am depressed. >> well, i'm sorry you're

depressed. you should -- i question why you're being quite as charitable as you're being toward dana bash and cnn. because the reality is, you're right, they could have picked any question. they could have talked about the future. they could have talked about where the economy is going from here. they could have talked about a.i. they could have talked about how you build on the successes of the biden administration. they could have cast a lot of these questions in the context of the trump and some of the problems that exist with trump or with vance. just the things that he's done this week that are outrageous, whether it's at arlington cemetery or he's tweeting lewd comments. i can't even believe that story has disappeared. >> yes. >> somehow, this guy tweeted this thing that is utterly repulsive and disqualifying in the midst of a campaign that seems to be dedicated to make sure that no woman in america votes for him.

that didn't come up. abortion didn't come up. that's the vault of somebody. it didn't just fall out of a coconut tree. dana bash and her colleagues chose to do it that way. it was a big mistake. what it conveyed to the audience was, this is why we don't do these interviews. because they don't add value. >> absolutely. charles blow, i understand that you are back. the gremlins freed you, released you. here's the thing, the media demands these interviews. one wonders if the purpose of the interview is so the media gets to finally hit the democrat with whatever it is that donald trump is saying about them. because if i'm a voter and i just want to know who to vote for and i'm undecided, asking the black lady if she is black is not going to help decide me. she's black like halie berry is black. a lot of your favorite black people have a white parent, okay? this isn't shocking and something you need to litigate

with people. or they have a non-black parent. it's normal. so that doesn't help. if a tenth of your interview is that and 60% of your interview is donald trump said this thing about you, what do you say about it, how does that help a voter decide anything? i'm done. go, charles. save me from myself. >> it helps kamala harris tremendously. this was the best gift that the media and the establishment could have given to her. i had written and said, you know, she's riding a wave. she doesn't need to do any interviews. keep a good thing going as long as you can. but if you're going to give it, you're going to get questions like this, really softball kind of questions, and there are some tough questions that are very hard to answer and keep the democratic coalition together. >> sure. >> questions around gaza. i mean, there's a lot of questions out there that really will test a candidate and figure out whether or not you can hold that coalition. but what this did was allow her to basically kind of escape any

sort -- you know, the point here was to do no harm. the chemistry looked great. i think a lot of times what people are voting on is a feeling. they want to justify it. you know, the policies i was worried about when biden was the nominee are still the policies i'm worried about. there are more donors now, more volunteers now. a lot of that is driven by a feeling. what kamala harris and tim walz did was underscore that the feeling is justified. i have this under control. we are in command. we are on top of the issues they ask us about. they won't even ask us about all the issues. it is a big win for them. >> i totally agree. this interview did no harm. 6 million people watched it, charlie sykes. big win. they showed their chemistry. people going, she needed tim walz with her. no, cnn got the first interview with both of them, and that is what cnn wanted. that's what they got.

people are just -- understand how the game is played, y'all. all the networks want an interview with each of them. cnn scored an interview with all of them. that was cnn getting a good ratings win. but none of this, charlie, answers the question, other than seeing they get along great, have great chemistry, and did no harm to themselves in a situation in which they were meeting a media demand. >> the interview last night, this was an imbalance in the media and american politics right now. we're now harassing through, did kamala harris change her position on fracking? while, meanwhile, meanwhile, you have the felonious, seditioous, ex-president of the united states tweeting out tweets from qanon, talking about jailing his opponents, going off on these wild, bizarre rants about bacon

and windmills. to david's point, couple days ago, he's tweeting out this vulgar, you know, sexual attack on her. it's like, we need to kind of keep all of that in perspective. these -- you know, one thing is not like the other. >> meanwhile, you know, folks, molly, are taking seriously this idea that donald trump is now proposed a policy on ivf. we're going to take that seriously, for real, for real? here is donald trump speaking with nbc's dasha burns about ivf. >> under the trump administration, we are going to be paying for that treatment. so we are paying for that treatment. >> all americans who want it? >> for all americans that get it. all americans that need it. so we're going to be paying for that treatment. or we're going to be mandating that the insurance company pay. >> in florida, the state you are a resident of, there's an abortion-related amendment to overturn the six-week ban in florida.

how are you going to vote on that? >> the six-week is too short. has to be more time. i've told them that i want more weeks. >> you'll vote in favor of the amendment? >> i'm voting that -- i am going to be voting that we need more than six weeks. >> uh-huh. a mandate, you say? mandate. mandate, you say, sir? when the children are born, they can die of measles and covid, but you can't mandate that, can't mandate vaccines, but $50 million ivf treatments. now, the reason we should not take seriously anything trump says about abortion or ivf. by the way, far-right wing evangelicals believe is sinful and demonic, okay? here he is talking about what he thinks should happen to women getting abortions, 2016 on "hardball." >> do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle? >> the answer is that there has to be some r form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah, has to be some form. >> this is what we might call in washington, great piece, the make wild health care promises portion of the trump campaign.

your thoughts? >> i read that piece. i was like, oh, that's right. >> yeah. >> he did in 2017, he said he's going to get health care for everyone, right? then he tried to overturn the affordable care act. >> his party voted not to protect ivf. they've been banning it in alabama and other states. he's fine with that. and he is not not in favor of allowing the comstock act to ban abortion. >> there's a central tenant of the project 2025, which he disavowed but his name is written 300 times by ex or current staffers. in this project 2025, there is, you know, a whole thing about how ivf must be regulated. it must be -- you know, these embryos are people and should be treated the same as normal, fully grown adult humans. i mean, it's just a complete fiasco. look, he has entered the point where he is pivoting to the general. he will say anything. >> anything. >> in the general. you know, he has this base that is very anti-choice, and really

dud put him in there to install these anti-choice justices and overturn roe, which he did and bragged about. i don't know how he has it both ways, but he's certainly going to try. >> he has it both ways. charlie sykes, he bragged that he terminated roe v. wade. he says that in his current campaign stops. he is proud of it. he put those justices on at the heritage foundation's demand. he did it. he'd put more on, younger versions of clarence thomas and alito, who would retire immediately upon his becoming president. so now, the media is taking absolutely seriously the idea that he is proposing to help women get ivf for free. your thoughts? >> well, it is interesting. we've seen donald trump has decided he is in favor of socialized medicine when it comes to all of this. but i'm really glad you played that 2016 clip with chris matthews. because that's kind of a classic moment where it was obvious that donald trump had not given five seconds worth of thought to the issue. i mean, this is a huge thing for the evangelical base. >> yes. >> now, they're coping with the

fact that he's throwing them under the bus, that, you know, the most pro-life president ever has decided that, what? now he's, you know, pro-choice? next week, is he going to come out in favor of taxpayer funding for abortions? what will they say then? >> charlie, if he thinks it's keep him out of prison, yes. yes, he will. >> he will say anything. to molly's point, he wants to have it both ways. but this is what's interesting about this florida vote. it's a yes or no vote. it's up or down. it is a binary choice. he's either going to have to vote and say he's voting in favor of it, which codifies roe versus wade and is a complete repudiation of the pro-life movement, or he's going to have to say, no, i'm going to vote no, in which case he is, you know, endorsing this six-week ban, which makes it very interesting. the harris campaign has decided to do a bus tour of florida focusing on reproductive rights. because i think they understand

he's in a vice on this one. here's the challenge to the media. keep asking the question. >> correct. >> ask yes or no. you don't get to write in eight weeks. >> correct. >> you don't get to have -- there's not a third choice. it's either, basically, roe or six weeks. yes or no? he will do everything possible to avoid answering that question, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be asked over and over and over again. >> charles blow, this is the challenge that i have with our profession, with the media. every time donald trump is in front of a journalist, they should be asking him, how are you going to vote, as dasha burns did, on the six-week abortion ban? do you favor the six-week bans in florida, iowa, north carolina, all these red states that you made possible? the fact that he probably won't be asked about it, like he's not asked about the maybe $10 million bribe from egypt, he's

not asked to provide medical records from one of the biggest stories of our lifetime, attempted assassination of a president, no medical records. he's not asked anything. he's allowed to vibe. they're like, entertain us. she's asked to explain. he's just asked to entertain. >> right. i think you're right. he should not just be asked how he's going to vote on that particular issue, but also be confronted with all of his past issues. was this the truth or is this now the truth? which of the things you're saying are the truth? because what donald trump does is he sets up a paradigm that we accept, which is, i am the abnormal candidate. everyone else is the normal person. every time they veer from normality, you have to grill them. i will grill them. i will jump all over them. because you're supposed to stay in your lane, which is normal. i can stay in abnormal land, and i can do all sorts of abnormal things. you must accept that as the normal side of me.

you know, that's an uneven playing field, and that's not something we should ever accept in journalism. i understand we don't always have enough time. you have 30 minutes. you figure out if you're going back and back and back at somebody on one question, or do you get to the five questions you had ahead of you? at a certain point, we have to say, i'm just going to dedicate to one question, one issue. >> that's right. >> we'll get to the bottom of whether or not you are lying now or you were lying then. if you are lying in either one of those cases, how can the american people be expected to believe you on any one of these issues? that's how you have to do it. >> if you can make the time to do that about kamala harris and fracking, which, like, 0% of voters are, like, i guess i can't vote for her because she said fracking day one and then something different on fracking the other day. if you can devote that time to fracking, you can devote time to donald trump and the 80 things he flip-flopped. stick around for the latest

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president, trump, appears to undermine his prolithic supporters, said albert molar, an evangelical. kristen hawkins, president of student for life, organizing activists, wrote on twitter, my phone is blowing up with volunteers who won't door knock for donald trump if this isn't corrected. casey desantis said, it might open the door to taxpayer abortions. vote no. marjorie said, i spoke with president trump, he's not president, last evening. he is not committed to how he will vote on amendment four. president trump, he's not president, has consistently opposed abortions after five months of pregnancy. amendment four would allow abortions past this point. blah, blah, voting for amendment four undermis his position. your thoughts on the flip-flop

he seems to be getting away with in the mainstream media. >> his whole life is saying to the person he's with what he thought they wanted to hear in order to get to hwa he wanted. probably been his social life. it's been his professional life. you're seeing it right now. you put your finger on it, joy, when you said, he doesn't want to go to jail. we're entering the, please don't send me to jail phase of this campaign. >> yeah. >> everything he is saying to every group is, please don't send me to jail. i will do whatever you want. i don't want to end up my life in a small cell in an orange jump suit. >> that's right. >> if that means, you know -- i mean, he was at another group this week and talked about the six states in which you can get an abortion after the baby is born. which is not an abortion. that's murder. >> yeah. >> it's not true. it doesn't exist anywhere else.

but that's what he said because he thought that's what the group wanted to hear. meanwhile, and i think this is what is important, we have to think about what he would do. >> that's right. >> he did eliminate roe v. wade. he will eliminate pharmaceutical abortion. he will create this 2025 pregnancy monitor, big brother position that he talked about. he'll strip away fundamental rights for women, voting rights, the freedoms kamala harris talks about. why do we know that? we've seen this movie before. >> yeah. >> it happened. we had four years of it. >> not only that, david, and i think -- i mean, i think this is the -- people need to start thinking of donald trump the way they think about benjamin netanyahu, who is the equivalent of him in israel. who will do whatever his far-right backers want. and including kill a lot of people in gaza, unlimited numbers, because he, too, is trying to stay out of prison. he, too, is indicted and will do anything to stay in power. he's allowed the religious

far-right to run that country. trump already has made it clear, this man is not a policy wonk. he didn't do policy in his first term. he let the heritage foundation, whoever the thinkers were do it. he was just, like, fine, whatever you want, do it. he is going to let the project 2025 people run everything because he doesn't know anything. he's 78, 79 years old. he doesn't want to go to prison. he would spend the rest of his life in prison. let's move on to his hapless fellow person on his ticket, jd vance. here is jd vance when he is confronted with making fun of a young woman who did this, you know -- she was in a beauty pageant, had a weird answer on maps, and everybody laughed. then she said she was suicidal because of the reaction she got. here's jd vance after being confronted for mocking her. >> so when you posted this last night, were you aware that the woman you were posting a picture of had contemplated committing

suicide for the attention it received? >> no, certainly not, john, and my heart goes out to her. i hope she's doing well. there is nothing that says we can't tell some jokes along the way while we deal with the serious business of bringing back our public policy. politics has gotten way too lame, john. way too boring. you can have some fun while making a good argument to the american people about how you're going to improve their lives. >> would you like to apologize for posting that last night, given what you've now learned? >> john, i'm not going to apologize for posting a joke. >> charlie sykes, you and i both did talk radio. couldn't he just apologize? like, what is happening? >> well, because in maga, there's never an apology, right? you can never say you're sorry. he's locked into this. this whole episode was just a reminder that jd vance is really, really bad at this. he just is. and trying to, you know, push it

off as a joke, or we're just having fun, and he has the same reaction to donald trump's, you know, bizarre qanon-related, you know, tweets. you know, depicting his political enemies in orange jumpsuits or talking about a military tribunal trial of barack obama. because that's funny. because that's just a joke. unfortunately, this is the world he created. we're still getting the fallout for all the people who thought it was funny to make fun of gus walz, son of tim walz, deeply human moment, tears falling down, that is "that's my dad." and to think it was a time to make fun of a kid with disability. so many have a hard time saying,

i'm sorry. that was wrong. >> the young woman he was making fun of is a conservative who supports donald trump. you're making fun of your supporters. you spoke of the walz kids. here is tim walz talking about that moment with his son during that interview last night. >> i don't know as a father i could have ever imagined that. i'm grateful for so many reasons to be on this ticket, but that moment, to understand what was really important, to have my son feel a sense of pride in me, that i was trying to do the right thing. it was -- you know, you try to protect your kids. you know it brings notoriety and things, but it was just such a viscerally emotional moment. i'm just grateful i got to experience it. i'm so proud of him. >> it's the back of her head, her braids, and then i'm in the front of the photograph, obviously speaking. it's very humbling in many ways. >> adding the second piece was

vice president harris talking about that iconic picture from "the new york times" of her little grand niece looking at her, speaking during the convention. i'll play one more clip and get final thoughts from everyone. this is gwen walz responding to another one of the really weird questions last night where the gotcha was that gwen walz didn't use ivf, she used iui, which you get from an ivf clinic when trying to treat infertiinfertil. that's her response to that coming up last night. >> well, for a long time, tim and i were teachers who struggled with infertility. and we were only able to start a family because of fertility treatments. so this is really personal for me. i think it is for millions of americans. we don't take kindly to folks like jd vance telling us when or how to start our families.

[ applause ] let me use my teacher voice. [ applause ] english teachers, you know what these babies are for. okay. here's my -- mr. vance, how about you mind your own business? you don't have to put your glasses on, but try it with me in your teacher voice. mr. vance, how about you mind your own business? yes! >> oh, molly, i think we like gwen. >> she's -- you know, she's a very -- she was known as a very good teacher, too, and so was he. iui and ivf are -- i had two of my three children from ivf, so it is -- and many, many people you know have had children from

ivf, including you heard michelle obama say that. so it's way more popular. people don't necessarily talk about it as much because it's no one's business. >> where do you get iui? >> the same place you get ivf, from the same doctors. iui is a little cheaper, but it's basically pretty much the same thing. >> he's a dude. he got the letters wrong. this isn't a gotcha, not a thing, not a reason people are going to vote for or against them. charles blow, molly jong-fast, charlie sykes, david rothkopf, thank you for coming a little early to hang out. coming up, project 2025 exposed with donald trump speaking at a book banning moms for liberty gathering tonight. oh, fun. we will examine their ties to project 2025 and its plan to target teachers and librarians. do not go anywhere. generalized myasthenia gravis and who are anti-achr antibody positive, season to season, ultomiris is continuous symptom control, with improvement in activities of daily living. it is reduced muscle weakness. and ultomiris is the only long-acting gmg treatment

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tonight, donald trump will speak at an event hosted by moms for liberty, the far-right group that advocates for banning books in schools under the guise of parental rights. it comes as we've seen an alarming rise in book banning across the u.s. pan america recorded more than 4,300 instances of book bans between last july and december. more books were banned in those six months alone than in the entire previous school year. over the summer, new laws have gone into effect in states like utah, idaho, south carolina, tennessee, that will make it more difficult for students this

coming school year to access books deemed obscene or indecent. what's happening could happen on the national level should donald trump retake the white house. something we know because his buddies at the heritage foundation wrote it all down in project 2025. in fact, moms for liberty actually serves on the advisory board for project 2025. several individuals tied to the 900-page document will be speaking at their summit this weekend. including the author of the manifesto section on education. you know, the chapter where they say they want to eliminate the department of education. project 2025 also distinctly targets libraries, writing on page one that children, quote, suffer the toxic normalization of transgenderism with drag queens and pornography invading their school libraries, unquote. let's just be clear, when they

say pornography, what they really mean is books by black or lgbtq authors, written for young adults that sometimes include as little as one page that mentions sex, sexual violence, sexuality, or in some cases, just accurate depictions of racism. but project 2025 directly calls for the prosecution of teachers and librarians who provide access to any books that these right-wing extremists consider pornographic. saying they should be classed as registered sex offenders. what project 2025 and groups like moms for liberty are doing in their book banning crusade is not just restricting what students can and cannot read. they're also putting teachers and librarians at risk for simply doing their problem jobs. people like amanda jones. a small town louisiana librarian who spoke out against censorship in her community. for those comments, she became the target of a years' long harassment campaign. well, now amanda jones has a book of her own detailing that

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in july of 2022, louisiana librarian amanda jones spoke out against censorship at her small town's public library board meeting, faced with concerns they might remove books with lgbtq themes. jones spoke as a concerned

citizen, saying in part, all members of our community deserve to be seen, have access to information, and see themselves in our public library collection. censoring and relocating books and displays is harmful to our community but will be extremely harmful to our most vulnerable, our children. days later, amanda became the target of a hateful smear campaign fueled by far-right activists who called her a pedophile, a groomer, accused her of advocating to keep pornographic materials in her library's kids' section. she even began to receive death threats, which took a toll on her physical and mental health. she fought back, becoming one of the first libraries to sue those who launched attacks against her. now, she's telling her story in her new book titled "that t"tha librarian: the fight against book banning in america." amanda jones joins me now. thank you so much for being here. this is your book. i'm very glad you wrote t what prompted you to go this public

given the fact that you faced so many death threats just in your community? >> well, i wanted to tell my story. people were telling a perceived story about me all over social media and i wanted the truth to get out and what better way to do it than to write your own book. >> absolutely. let me read a little bit of you to you, this is about debunking -- the core claim of the far right is that any book that has any sexual theme or lgbtq character in it is pornography. here is what you wrote, book sensors will often say that there are books containing pornographic or sexually explicit material in children's sections of the library to rile up public fear. they decry the need to protect children there the evil smut they say is next to the dr. seuss books, as if a kid could be looking for "the very hungry caterpillar" and, whoops, there's the joy of sex or the kama sutra behind it. libraries have collection development poll seals for ordering books and appropriate

books are placed in the appropriate section. public libraries do not purchase pornography. the fact that you had to explain it makes me sad. what do you make of the fact that this is the way they are trying to get these books out of libraries? >> yes, they -- you know, they take a book out of context and they say there's pornography in the library and there's not. it's basically an attempt to marginalized already marginalized members of our society, the lgbtq community, black indigenous people of color and then, you know, they say they're not banning, but then in their book challenges it will say remove. that's a ban. you know, even if books are not banned, if they're challenged they're trying to suppress the information from our public and school libraries. >> let me read from pan america, the most banned books and the most bans are in florida, texas, pennsylvania, wisconsin, tennessee, utah and missouri. gender queer is the number one

most banned book, a book about lgbtq young people, all boys aren't blue, same topic, this book is gay, the perks of being a wallflower, flamer and of course the blue west eye by tony morrison, they have deemed the blue west eye to be pornography which just saying that is pornography. >> it's so ridiculous. i read "the bluest eye." that book has been around forever. its an amazing book and it's raw and real and reflects how we were as a society and they don't want people to read these stories. they want to suppress the information and pretend it didn't happen but if you love our country, like i do, we want it to be the best it can be and what better way than to read about what has happened in our society and we learn from our mistakes and move forward. but they don't want anyone to hear these stories. >> how fearful are you that in a word in which project 2025 is the law of the land librarians like you could be put in jail or

labeled sex offenders just for providing books? >> very fearful. you know, there have already been laws -- they've tried to pass laws in louisiana to imprison librarians, they tried to pass a law to imprison librarians for attending american library association conferences that we defeated. it's dystopian and for lack of a better word it's unhinged in my opinion. librarians we love our community, we go into the field of library science to give back to the community. we love children, i don't know a single librarian who doesn't love children and want to do the best we can. they're using us as political pawns and it's sad that our politicians would use librarians and educators for political gain. >> did you think of yourself as political before this all started? did you think of yourself as a liberal, a moderate, a conservative? >> no, i'm actually a registered republican and i have been my entire life. i will say the past three or four years i've definitely voted more democratic -- for the democrat party, but i consider

myself currently independent. >> the idea that the republican party -- and i'm glad that you mention that because this is happening within one political party. this is not a broad fear that's shared across even independents and democrats it's just in the republican party. do you think that it's a sincere belief that these books are harmful or that it's just about politics and getting conservatives elected? >> well, with the politicians, no, they do not really believe any of this. they're just using us as pawns, using the books and the stories as political pawns. but they stir up real fear in communities where there are real citizens that do believe this because you're raised to trust your politicians. >> yeah. >> you know, when they say that they tend to be believed and that's what's really harmful is that it's being led by politicianes. >> i interviewed the head of moms for liberty and she could not answer me why they don't just use this form that you can get in the state of florida that let's you opt your own kids out of reading books that you object

to. why you have to make that decision for other parents, she didn't have an answer to that. because they want to control everyone not just their own children. this is a book called "that librarian." librarians are my favorite people and thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. and there is so much more ahead in the second hour of this special two-hour edition of "the reidout" including donald trump facing a very busy september. he's got a critical debate scheduled with vice president kamala harris, oh, you know, he's probably also going to be sentenced in the new york hush money case. also the latino vote is no monolith, it's a diverse constituencies and both sides of the aisle are pulling out all the stops to win their support. i have a great panel to discuss all of that so stay with us. gr all of that so stay with us. [introspective music] recipes. recipes that are more than their ingredients.

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welcome back to our second hour of this special pre-holiday early bird edition of "the reidout." now, before donald trump the trump era of presidential elections, the conventional wisdom was that presidential campaigns do not get serious until after labor day. but for trump he will emerge from this labor day weekend into a september of court dates and debate. today we are expecting the next major step in the federal election interference case

against him. special counsel jack smith's team and trump's attorneys are expected to propose a schedule for future court proceedings. it comes just days after a federal grand jury returned a superseding indictment that charges trump with the same four counts he faced in the original indictment returned last august, but whittled down in light of the right wing majority supreme court's ruling in favor of trump that presidents have immunity for official acts. we could also hear from judge tanya chutkan in the matter. both sides are scheduled to appear before judge chutkan for a hearing next week. the first court hearing in that case since the supreme court ruling. that hearing is next thursday, september 5th. just five days before donald trump will face off in a debate with vice president harris on september 10th. the following week, september 16th, new york judge juan mar

marchant is set to rule on the sentencing for the school district in the hush money case thrown out. if he declines to do so trump will be sentenced in that case on september 18th. seven weeks before election day, november 5th. in addition to ruling on trump's immunity motion in new york judge marchant has yet to rule on trump's request to postpone his sentencing until after the election. so trump's lawyers are throwing another hail mary on that. late thursday his lawyers filed to move the matter to federal court in yet another delay tactic citing the supreme court's ruling in july. a federal judge has rejected that effort for now, but advised it could be refiled with either opposing party's written consent or court's leave. it is not the first time trump's lawyers have tried to get the hush money case moved to federal court. his lawyers invoked presidential immunity in a failed bid last july setting the stage for his trial and conviction on 34

felony counts of falsifying business records. last year federal judge alvin haller stein ruled that the evidence presented involved something personal to the president, quote, a cover up of an embarrassing event. hush money paid to an adult film star is not rei lated to the president's official acts. it does not reflect in any way the color of the president's official duties. i cannot believe a judge had to actually say that and that i had to read it to you but here is where we are. joining me now is andrew weissmann msnbc legal analyst and maya wiley president and ceo of the leadership conference on civil and human rights and former u.s. attorney. that was a lot, friends. i'm going to start with you, andrew, because it's a lot to parse through. >> totally. >> i want to start with whether or not donald trump has any chance of taking that 34-count felony conviction and somehow moving it to federal court in order to throw it out based on what the supreme court has

ruled. >> so the direct answer is it is highly unlikely that he is going to be able to get it to federal court. as you noted, he has made that motion -- >> before. >> -- and lost it and the only intervening fact is this supreme court decision that should not be enough to have judge hellerstein revisit his ruling. remember, though, that whether it's in state court or it's in federal court, that changes who the judge is, but whether the supreme court gets to ultimately weigh in on the 34 counts to say were they tainted by immunized system is something from the supreme court of the united states gets to weigh in on eventually. that's what i'm sort of mostly worried about. >> yes. >> even if it goes through the state court process eventually donald trump -- >> they will get it back. >> exactly. >> and it's clear to me and i think it's clear to most of our fair viewers that john roberts is going to protect trump and

that the moment he gets it back he's going to find a way to get him out of going to jail, right? that's what's happening. >> well, let's just say it's not a very positive supreme court if we care about the constitution and if we care about the rule of law, and that is our reality. >> yeah. >> i mean, look, going back to what andrew so rightly said, you know, i think we also have to remember that part of what we're seeing here is every effort to ensure the delay. >> right. >> because it is consequential if the american public that has to make a decision about how to cast a ballot is seeing donald trump repeatedly in a courtroom, because that visual alone is unheard of in our history. and so whether it is now or later, what they're just trying to make sure is it's later, later, later, later, so that they're actually in a position where voters are not being

reminded constantly that not only is he a convicted felon but that it may make a difference what happens to him after an election. >> by the way, let's put the calendar back up on that point. the first date on the calendar, september 5th, this hearing in the federal election interference case, the day after that north carolina starts early voting. so people will be voting between that hearing and the debate with vice president harris. before the debate even happens one state will already be early voting, maya. this is going to be a thing that's happening regardless of the outcome on the 6th. >> and it's a state in play. >> it's a state very much in play. >> there's a lot of money being spent by the trump campaign in north carolina right now. >> yeah. >> and so, again, you know, they're really looking at this, i think -- no personal knowledge -- but they're looking at this and they're seeing the chess board and they want to make sure that people aren't looking at it, too. >> well, the way that i think the rest of us are looking at it, though, is a rule of law

question. justice ketanji brown jackson has not done many interviews but this is her talking about that supreme court immunity ruling. here she is. >> you were concerned about broad immunity. >> i was concerned about a system that appeared to provide immunity for one individual under one set of circumstances. when we have a criminal justice system that had ordinarily treated everyone the same. >> and i just -- to that point -- want to quote from the filing by donald trump's legal team asking the federal court to take over that hush money case because it goes to this. accordingly they call him still president trump respectfully requests that the court accept the second removal notice confirm that justice marchant may not sentence president trump over litigation over the second notice. they're leaning into his former role and saying essentially you can't touch him while this election is happening.

>> the quote we are really talking about, take the lens out, is the american legal system has failed. this is one where unlike other legal systems around the globe, that have managed to hold political leaders to account, we have not. >> yeah. >> donald trump has figured out a way to play the system and he's been aiding and abetted by the supreme court, by judge cannon to slow things down so that the actual sort of accountability is -- whether guilty or not guilty, that day of reckoning is put off. now it's in -- in new york it's about putting off the day of reckoning of sentencing because judge marchant to his credit at least got that case to trial. >> right. >> but this is really sort of -- sort of a grade -- i'm a professor so i give grades -- this is sort of an f for how we fare compared to so many other sort of so-called western

democracies that do actually know how to hold people to account. >> the thing that makes it even worse, to be honest, is that it feels in some ways like the conservative members of the supreme court are doing it also in their own self-interest because i think everyone understands that samuel alito and clarence thomas will retire immediately upon the inauguration of another republican president. if trump comes in, they go out and allowing the heritage foundation, the same group that's put all six of them on the bench to put two 30 or 40-year-old versions of them on the bench. we kind of know who they are, they are some judges that have made some of the most insane rulings to the far right and we know that that is what's going to happen. you have john roberts who sort of is portrayed as this moderate normal person, but it's clear that he's down with that. he wants that. >> so, you know, look, we -- to andrew's point and to your point, joy, the system -- the judicial system has failed and i

do say "judicial" i mean the civil side actually worked -- did work when it came to donald trump. >> absolutely. >> it really is the criminal but it's also the supreme court by not holding -- holding to our constitution, not just norms, but precedents. >> yeah. >> i mean, they butchered the precedents in their opinion on immunity and butchered it over and over again when it comes to the guardrails. >> section 3 of the 14th amendment apparently does not exist. >> exactly. >> they wrote that on accident. >> exactly. i think the point here, coming back to the importance of calendar that you pointed to and what -- how a democracy fixes the problem of a failure of a democratic system like the court system is elections. so the importance of not losing the court date -- and i do mean this in the judge marchant case torques remind folks of what is at stake because project 2025 just as you just did a segment on, you know, the difference

between who is in office and how they utilize a power that the supreme court says they have to be protected from the accountability of the judicial system, the way that they can utilize the department of justice is actually on the ballot. >> 100%. >> i think it's critically important that the date hold because i think it's important that americans be reminded of what questions they need to answer for themselves when they show up at the polls. >> that's right. because how donald trump would use that power versus how kamala harris would use it, very different. and he has made it clear he will use it to harm people, to harm people he thinks are his enemies. i wanted to -- one note on jack smith because i do think that jack smith is kind of a bright light in an otherwise pretty dark landscape and i include merrick garland in the dark because i don't think he's done hardly anything to be helpful, but jack smith is persistent. this superseding indictment, how effective is it at finally trying to get us to some sort of an answer at least on the charges of trying to overflow

the government? >> one, i completely agree with you, jack smith, you know, he is smart and tenacious and you have to be tenacious in this landscape with what he has had to put up with, whether it's judge cannon or the supreme court. 's he done two things, one, everyone has focused on the deletions, which is he deleted material to make it conform to what he has to, which is the supreme court decision. he's stuck with that. from that the case is weaker. he had to take out certain allegations. the material about the president's interactions with the department of justice. i just want to say it because it's so outrageous, meaning that the president can tell his department of justice to engage in a sham investigation. >> yeah. >> he is immune. so that is not in the case because the supreme court has said that is a core presidential function, engaging in a sham investigation. >> and can we just pull back on that for a moment because that means that donald trump if he came back in could say investigate barack obama, i'm

going to make up and invent a crime and that is literally legal for him to do according to john roberts. >> that is absolutely right. he cannot be prosecuted for that. that is a core presidential function. it is beyond shocking that that is something that the supreme court wrote here. it was clearly just tailored to the situation here. >> for trump. >> the other thing that jack smith did is he added various allegation toss make it clear that what remains in the case is either personal conduct or conduct as a candidate, not as a president. >> yeah. >> so he has grand jury findings on that. so he added in a lot of language to make that clear. he also dealt with a new obstruction decision by the supreme court to make it clear that donald trump did obstruct, that he involved allegations involving whaefg going to do with physical ballots. >> yeah. >> remember the supreme court said you have to -- that's part of obstruction, it has to do with the actual documents that are going to congress and jack smith said, yes, that's what happened here.

so he really looked at what the supreme court had done and then tailored that to deal with that. we'll see what happens today and then in terms of the one thing that could happen is there could be a hearing, the so-called mini trial and it will be interesting to see what the parties say about that and then obviously next week whether judge chutkan is go to order that before the general election. >> i hope that he is successful. he is making us feel a little tiny bit helpful. ruby freeman and shaye moss the two georgia election workers they are asking the court to control rudy giuliani's assets after his $148 million judgment. if you want to have a final word on that, i mean, they should get that money, right, all his money. >> they should get all that money. >> all of it. >> we also should remember that what they faced and suffered we have other folks that may face it and suffer it in this cycle. >> that's right. >> it is critically important that all of accountability be enforced. >> i want to note that the arlington national cemetery army employee was afraid to file

charges after essentially being physically -- we could say assaulted -- physically pushed, we don't know what happened but they were too afraid to file charges because they were afraid of donald trump's base. that is how low we have sunk. andrew and maya, always a pleasure. thank you very much. coming up, securing the latino vote will be crucial in this year's presidential election. we will take a deeper look at that very important voting block next. at that very important voting block next it's payback time. all these years, you've worked hard.

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latino vote err turnout lagged an astounding 22 points behind the rate of white voters in the 2022 midterm elections. that is a remarkable number. given that we've seen a more than doubling of latino voters in the last 20 years. with an estimated 36 million latinos eligible to vote just this year. hispanics are already the largest racial or ethnic group in california and texas. they account for almost half the population growth nationwide since 2010 with over 80% of those living in the country here as citizens. so as we near this election just 67 days away we need to pay attention to this potentially decisive and growing voting block and ask why turnout is way behind where it could be? joining me now is contributor paul low row mez, maria kumar and mike madrid the author of "the latino century: how

america's largest minority is transforming democracy." thank you all for being here. i'm going to come to you first, you are in the field, talking to these voters. it is one of the puzzles that this is the largest non-white group in america, full stop. >> exactly. >> more than black voters, but the voting turnout is really low. it's almost like half their voting strength. why? >> i mean, even looking at 2022, there was this real sentiment of disillusionment long a lot of latinos, a lot of skepticism toward president biden and a lot of that had to do and was rooted in this idea according to many there were broken immigration are promises. in the last two weeks i've started to hear the [ inaudible ] again and that is once again this idea that perhaps -- >> yes, we can. >> yes, we can but in spanish it is intentional and it points to this idea that it wasn't that the democratic party was fractured, it was that what was missing was injecting the

separation, the hope and change that barack obama did and it is working, you do see latinas being mobilized, that's the messaging standpoint. on the other flip side it's republicans. the moment that this country turned into majority, minority, the understanding that latinos are at the heart of the multiethnic coalition leading to that change there is a concerted effort to stop that growth and all of that is being fueled by this conspiracy theory overshadowing everything, which is this idea that -- great replacement theory and this idea that noncitizens are voting. you put those things together -- >> and the thing about it is -- and let me actually get mike madrid in here. some of it is people -- misunderstand the demographics of latinos. they assume -- i remember a poll back many, many years ago that showed that americans believed that 75% of latinos are under documented, which is insane. it's literally like 80% are citizens, right?

and so there is this misunderstanding of who this constituency are and assuming, well, they are all undocumented because they may speak spanish at home. can you give us the real numbers and the real stats on this constituency and also how different it is across the country because it's regionally very different. >> yeah, it is. it's actually not as different as we think it is, what is happening this latin zags of america is an extraordinary demographic transformation what i've tried to explore in the book. you mentioned it in your intro with this 7% growth over just the past decade, it's overwhelmingly u.s. born. a lot ever this is what is happening with this balancing between the two parties. there is a demographic explanation for it as much as there is a political explanation for it. so i think you accurately pointed out this is the largest ethnic group in america at this point. yes, our voter participation is lagging, every other racial and ethnic group, i believe that there are strong demographic

reasons for that. the fact that we are so young by the way is one of the main reasons, younger voters have a less propensity regardless of race or ethnicity to vote. we're working on that. maria teresa's group has been working to address that for many years successfully. it is happening, the trajectory is on the right path. there are people who argue that simply by aging into the electorate latinos will start to grow into greater numbers, but of course with so many eligible -- citizen eligible folks we want to make sure that there are people not only registered but mobilized and showing up to demonstrate that strength, but again, there is a lot -- there's also this endemic poverty problem that we have to recognize which is also a function of youth. more people it doesn't matter whether you're plaque in the deep south or white in appalachia or latino in east l.a., if you're poor and young you don't vote. >> very true. >> we have to look for those policy explanations as well as

looking for these political solutions. it's widespread and deep. there's years of data telling us this is demographic. >> t.k., you've been working on this project of increasing that vote strength. again, i had a guy on, you know, earlier this year who made a really great point that america styles itself as a quasi european country but we are more a latin american country, our demographics are more like brazil than england. we try to fool ourselves into saying that's not the case but it kind of is. how do you break that cycle because part of it is age and part of it is wealth that people aren't voting, but how do you bring more latino voters online? >> so i think it's all intentional. you cited what happened in 2022. i will tell you that from 2022 compared to the 2018 midterm election latino vote participation was down 37%.

down 37%. but if you look at who turned out in 2022, it was people over the age of 40 years old and it was disproportionately individuals that were republican because what the republicans did was invest in older latino voters for turnout. however, when it came down to young voters under the age of 30 turnout was an abysmal 34% and that was because the democrats head the headline internalized it, saying, oh, my gosh, latinos maybe they are fleeing republican. there was a major lack of investment when it came to communicating to young latinos that the issues they cared about in 2022 were on the ballot. i think what we're seeing now with kamala harris is that she's meeting voters where they can. i can tell you just from our work since the moment she came on the ballot, beverage registered over 110,000 registered voters but the key is 65% are under the age of 25. i've been doing this for a minute. i have never seen that type of

enthusiasm. it's not just because of what she represents, it's that she's talking about policy they care b the number one issue for 18 to 29 year olds in this country who are latino in north carolina, in georgia, in texas, in arizona, the number one issue is housing. >> yes. >> it's rent. so when she came out with a policy just last week meeting people where they are, talking to them about providing affordable rent, affordable mortgages, that all all of a sudden perked their interests. she's someone that identifies with me as a children of immigrant experiences but at the same time understands what's making me strug sl whether or not i can balance the budget to feed myself or make my ends meet at the end of the month. that is transformational. >> paulo, i'm going to come back to you on this. it's a great point. people think latino they think immigration, their only issue is immigration, but that's not like a driving issue. it is affordability and it also changes. i mean, in the state of texas you talked to a lot of, you know, latinos who were hard core

republicans, their issues are guns and -- >> yeah, i think the point of the story is when we say that latinos are not a monolith is also saying latinos are just like any other american, they care about the economy, they care about housing and everything that any other ordinary american would, but i do have to say they do also do care about immigration. >> yeah. >> i was just on the phone yesterday with a lot of voters from georgia, latino voters. one of the number one things that young latino folks in georgia are scared about is this idea that if trump walks into the white house you will see local sheriffs cooperating again with i.c.e. i do sort of wanto take the conversation that way because i think there's this idea that, you know, latinos are warming up to mass deportations, that is also true. >> can you read into that? republicans keep on insisting that the latino community wants mass deportation and is for it. >> i think two things can exist at the same time. i think it is a very small but growing number of latinos that are warming up to mass

dertatio and that are sort of taking in the anti-immigrant sentiment because, again, we have talked about this, the xenophobia is so powerful, this idea and trump does that really well, he believes that latinos have become to americanized that they, too, can buy into the nativism and that is part of his messaging for latinos. >> and also in language media. if you listen to spanish language radio in miami or south texas you are not hearing what you're hearing on fox, it's far to the right of that. >> it's completely far not right but that is a targeted message. this idea that latinos, too, can otherize immigrants. they are so skater of what project 2025 means. this idea that mass deportations can happen, those are also conversation that is a lot of latinos are having. >> when we come back, we're going to come back, you are going to stick with us for much more. i want to talk about whether

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maria teresa and mike madrid. i want to talk about whether abortion is becoming an issue within the latino voter community. did you a piece where you were talking about some of the perils that women of color

disproportionately are facing and latino women when it comes to abortion. how much is abortion a conversation when you're talking to folks? >> it's huge. maria teresa saw it on the ground in 2022. for the first time in years the issue of abortion became a top issue for latino voters. it didn't just mobilize young latinos and mothers, the interesting thing is that even if you have catholic latinas, perhaps morally they were opposed to it they were able to humanize the issue and able to understand morally that it couldn't stand with donald trump. i think the party is really, really cal ga niezing every sector of the latino coalition and interestingly in florida they're understanding that is the one issue that perhaps can become more powerful than the communism, socialism, democrats are socialists. why? because it's personal. the same way that socialism is a personal issue for so many latinos in south florida, abortion is more personal than that and it is mobilizing. >> let's talk about the race issue because, you know, the

question of race inside of the latino community is complex because a person who is latino can identify as white, they can identify as black or neither or whatever. it's much more complicated so race politics get complicated. talk a little bit about that. >> you know, it's so interesting because when barack obama was on the ballot against hillary clinton it was something that was coming out of -- percolating out of her campaign saying that latinos would never vote for a black candidate. in fact, what we know even when barack obama was running for congress against a latino candidate latinos overwhelmingly voted for him in chicago because of his issues. while race can be complicated latinos are looking for individuals that are talking about the issues they care about. they want to resolve issues. when it comes to a candidate like kamala harris the vast majority of latinos identify with her story and who she is and what i see if anything is this idea that she can talk about complex issues in a way

that connects with the humanness of what we're struggling with becomes really important. when we talk about abortion, for example, one of the things that most people don't realize is that while the average white woman is roughly 47 years old, the average latina is 30 years old. she is in the middle of her childbearing years. this is an economic issue. many are trying to decide do they want another child? do they want to go back to school? do they want to invest in their families and because they're 30 and they are latina they are also younger when it comes to the sandwich generation. they are already starting to take care of their parents while taking care of a younger family. so the issue of abortion, for example, when kamala harris speaks about it, they know that she's talking from the heart but also she i believe tends to do something about it. that's why the republicans don't want to touch t they are fearful of that issue because it is mobilizing and galvanizing. we are absolutely catholic but we are pope francis catholic,

social justice catholic. we believe in environment, we believe if you are going to make the tough decision of abortion it's something between you and your god and you are not to judge that person because we have not been in their shoes. the more that kamala harris and the rest of the democrats could understand that and embrace that, that allows them to have a broader conversation when it comes to mobilizing the latino community based solely on social truths. >> yeah, and, mike, unpack for us kind of how all of these issues are laying out. i mean, you look at these numbers, what issues are driving these voters and is it true that there is this surge toward donald trump? i don't see it or that are it anecdotally but folks keep saying it's true. what are you seeing? >> well, first, i mean, look, let me talk about the social issues because i think both maria teresa and paulo talked about this. abortion and a pro-life position has never been a driving element of latino politics ever and this idea that we are all catholics, well, i'm a practicing catholic, that's quantifiably not true,

either. it has been collapsing with latinos since the late '80s, it's never been the social issues that have driven us for political change, they are the social justice issues. that is absolutely true. and most importantly as we become the explosive numbers of latino registrations are happening with third and now a discernible fourth generation voter, these are overwomen mingly pro choice voters. so this vote has always benefited the democrats, there's been a hess tensy to lean into it by the democratic party because of this caricature zags of who we are, spanish speaking, immigrant, catholic. there is much more nuance to these basic cartoonish chark tours that have been made of us that are not true. the real lesson to all of this is understanding that the latino voter we have known and identified for the past 25 years is going to be wholly different than the latino of the next 25 years for one simple reason it's the graphic you showed at the

introduction. the explosive growth of all of these latino numbers that are happening, all of these latinos turning 18, they are not naturalized voters. they are third and fourth generation voters. so is there a surge towards donald trump? no, there is not. but there is an incremental movement away for the past decade that has been happening one and two percent at a time, 2020 was a seven or eight percent jump but that gradual change is seeing our community being represented in both parties. that's nothing to be afraid of. it's something to embrace because our -- is going to redefine both parties. essentially the moderates in both parties. i think that the greatest salvation as i write in my book to help us get away from trumpism is larger latino voters than the republican party to move it in a different direction. >> and i think that's a really great point that you make because it's a swing community, it's a 65/35 community meaning

it's still winnable for republicans and democrats if they create opportunity. i'm sorry, go ahead. >> it's interesting because prior to kamala harris we were seeing the exact same thing, we were seeing that toe to toe biden was at 59 and trump was at 39. when we introduced a third party all of a sudden biden dropped by 47 and the third party was 17%. headed into the convention literally the friday before the convention, joy, kamala was polling at 60%, 7% independent and 29% trump in dee battleground states. this is a poll of 2,000 voters in georgia, north carolina, arizona and nevada. what we found really striking is that she was pulling, yes, from the independents because we expected that but she was pulling from georgia and texas and arizona from donald trump among latino voters that says there is a real alignment closer to latinos voting as they did under obama and they did under

bush. >> absolutely and in states where people don't think about latino voters, north carolina. >> exactly. >> states like -- it's not just florida and texas, this is the thing. we need to do this again. thank you all very much. will you come back and do this again? i think this is important to unpack this stuff. coming up, the conflict in the middle east rages on with israel's military operation in the occupied west bank now in its third day. we will be right back. now in its third day. we will be right back. the ups store is more than just a shipping store. we're the "pack it, ship it, guarantee it" store. we know running a small business takes a lot of grit and hustle. so we're the "stress less" store. and the "we've got your back" store. because when you trust us to pack it and ship it, we guarantee, so it'll get into the hands of your customers safely. which is why we're the "stand by work guaranteed" store. come into the ups store today. and be unstoppable.

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the israeli military struck the west bank city of janine today, the third day of heavy fighting in one of the largest assaults on the palestinian stair tore in over two decades. the palestinian health ministry says 20 people have died since israel launched the raids on wednesday. more than 600 have died in the west bank alone since october 7th. that includes nearly 150 children. while in gaza the rising death count has surpassed 40,000 people. joining me now is danielle levy president of the u.s. middle east project and a former israeli negotiator. daniel, good to see you even under these circumstances. i think for a lot of people there is a certain shock that the violence has moved to the west bank. your thoughts? >> important to understand, joy, and it's good to see you, that this, of course, is the sixth decade of an israeli occupation

of the west bank which according to the international court of justice is itself illegal, dotted with illegal settlements, and things weren't good for decades, they weren't good prior to october 7th. the west bank is the larger territory, it's 16 times the size of gaza. the provocations of this government prior to october 7th were expanding. people can even cast their minds back, saw these settlers carrying out pogrums. this is worst after october 7th. mass arrests, the largest amount of killings in the west bank for a number of years and this latest intensification we are being told it's a major operation starting in the northern west bank. we know that the israeli side

says this is about security. there is no military solution. security is a real thing, but security is being used as an excuse. for what? i think this is what's important to understand. first of all, this serves the israeli prime minister politically. he's staking a claim that he needs to be in power because he is the indispensable wartime leader therefore continue the war and expand to another front, this time the west bank. interestingly we're talking just after an israeli war cabinet meeting in which the israeli defense minister and the prime minister -- it's out in the open -- had an altercation because the defense minister and the defense establishment have said that the prime minister is undermining the ceasefire talks. netanyahu doesn't want a ceasefire. >> he is >> he is committed to keeping the west bank, he has coalition guidelines, the text which holds the coalition together

says the jewish people have an exclusive right to all possible land, that includes the west bank, and they are taking advantage of just how promiscuous an environment may have internationally and merrily from the u.s., they saw that there is no stop sign. in gaza, and they are quite confident they will be no stop sign in the west bank either because the arms continue to flow and this is a terrible escalation, it is going to make cease-fire talks harder and further risks. >> they have exactly one more hostage out because of that, it is clearly not about getting hostages out, and he left through a tunnel of his own. and yet, to your point, they killed their negotiating partner, they went into the territory and kill the guy that was negotiating a peace deal with, and now they seem to be

opening up a second front with lebanon. what is the endgame here? netanyahu is willing to empower his far right settler partners in his government who do believe in this messy vision of taking over all of the west bank. what is the endgame here because the biden administration still claims they are going for a two state solution, that doesn't seem like something that netanyahu will ever allow. >> very clearly, i don't know that there is an endgame as such, so first of all, yes, you have a remarkable situation which even a former deputy national security adviser has said the recounting of events of that latest hostage, very few have gotten out alive that way, israel's version of events was much more critical, coming from the national security adviser, that is a big deal. i think what netanyahu is

trying to do is maintain open- ended war that doesn't necessarily have an endgame , and i think on the other side of that, the resistance is saying we are not going to volunteer trap of bringing america in to an all-out war but yes, we will continue asymmetric warfare because you actually have a lot of vulnerabilities, your economy is not doing well, your society is deeply polarized. you are part of the global economy that is getting more difficult for you to operate in, and so the question when it comes to this latest west bank effort, does this have a deeper strategic purpose, because you will no doubt be reporting on a lot of these happening in the refugee camps in the west bank and we have seen what has happened in refugee camps in gaza. that is the story of the palestinian unions being pushed out at the creation of israel, being ethnically cleansed in 1948, in many bill -- people

look at the narrative coming out of the israeli government today and is this a second attempt of ethnic cleansing of palestinians in creating such a scorched earth, we have seen destruction of infrastructure also in the west bank and that has massive implications for the israeli and palestinians, but i think it has massive implications for the u.s. and national security, geopolitical terms, and apparently also political terms because you have an election, i'm told, and this issue is not playing well for the democrat leadership.>> it is a depressing reality, one wonders why we have an international system of laws if they are not being followed. it is also a pleasure, thank you so much, much appreciated as always. we will be right back. k. to the are now accessible to the many. credit one bank. get cash back rewards, and live large.

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