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thousands are protesting across israel to express outrage over six hamas hostages killed in gaza overnight. israelis, including hostage families, accusing prime minister benjamin netanyahu of torpedoing a cease-fire deal that might have saved them. we are getting new details by the minute. hamas says they couple six in a tunnel shortly before israeli forces were able to reach them. their bodies were recovered and brought back to israeli territory. among the dead are israeli- american hersh goldberg-polin. the other five hostages. president biden has issued a statement vowed to make them pay. first we go to matt bradley

joining us from tel aviv. i know you're at the big protest. what is happening? >> reporter: i hope you can hear me. it is definitely loud here. it looks like there hundreds of thousands of protesters stretching as far as the eye can see. on the other side of this pedestrian bridge is the same deal. everyone out here, outraged this happens every week right here in front of what is israel's answer to the pentagon but this time it is much bigger. it is much angrier because of those six young people who hamas killed before the bodies were discovered by the idf. it has united the country in outrage in away it had not before. here's the report. >> reporter: heartbreak for hostage families. the and announced overnight they discovered the bodies of six hostages taken by palestinian militants. including hersh goldberg-polin,

whose parents have become outspoken advocates for the hostages' freedom. they are devastated to announce the death of their son and brother, asking for privacy. all six were thought to have been alive until moments before the bodies were discovered. according to the initial estimation, they were brutally murdered by hamas terrorists shortly before we reach them. they discover the bodies in one of the tunnels underneath rafah. thanks to the parents advocacy, hersh goldberg-polin has been a symbol. even speak at last week's democratic national convention really sat down with willie geist. >> we are all in a marathon of ambiguous trauma and we have no choice. we have no choice. >> reporter: hersh's arm had been severed and he was last seen alive in a video that

hamas a read released in april when they accused the israeli government of abandoning him and other hostages. feeling of betrayal. that's what they say it will take the case for a hostage deal once again. families calling on protesters to bring the country to a halt to make it tremble. >> reporter: the momentum from this enormous protest today will not end tonight. the organizers have negotiated with trade unions who are planning a full on strike tomorrow that sounds like it is going to be nationwide. there are various governmental municipalities that will be participating, even the airport, the gateway to the country, will be closed starting at 8:00 a.m. local time tomorrow. the idea is to ring the country to a screeching halt to protest why there has not been a hostage deal.

>> i to tell you. i have been watching her live feed here at the network headquarters and i have seen this going for several hours now. it was daylight when we started watching this. how long has this been going on, this particular demonstration, and is only getting louder? >> reporter: when we started out, we were with a small group walking around carrying mock coffins of the six young people. they came down the streets and wove through tel aviv and joined an enormous additional group. we're shocked to 70 people converged right here. this has been going on for about three hours. there's no telling when it will be stopping. the noise here is deafening. everyone here hopes those leaders, they blame for the six young people, are hearing them. >> are any officials on the scene there talking about what they know of the whereabouts of the hostages? any updates on that front?

>> reporter: i do not speak with any officials, but i spoke with an opposition political leader who has been at the forefront in opposition to benjamin netanyahu. when people are talking about the hostage negotiation deal, they're saying that netanyahu has blood on his hands. he jump in a quite that harshly but i think that benjamin netanyahu and his government have been standing in the way consistently of a deal that could have saved those kids and that is where you're getting a lot of the visceral anger. >> another rhetorical question here, is why. thank you very much. i know we will check back in with you. let's go to gabe gutierrez at the white house. he has new reaction from president biden. has president biden spoke with any of the victims' families? >> good afternoon. president biden and vice president harris say they have spoken with hersh's parents. we heard them talking about

how the parents have been so outspoken in the cease fire negotiations. the vice president saying that the heartbreaks for their pain and anguish. president biden overnight, he also said that he is devastated and outraged. in a separate written statement, says the news is as tragic as it is reprehensible. make no mistake, hamas leaders will pay for these crimes and we will keep working around the clock for a deal to secure the release of the remaining hostages. the president says he had gotten to know hersh's parents and admires them and the vice president said, may his memory be a blessing. the cease-fire negotiations, as i mentioned, have been frustrating now for several months but president biden yesterday in delaware was asked whether he thought a deal was within reach. let's take a listen. >> it is time to support. issued and this war.

the ground the verge of having an agreement. it is time to finish it. >> reporter: the national security advisor jake sullivan is set to hold a virtual meeting with the family members of those americans that's remain hostage, remain taken hostage in gaza. >> there more than a handful. there will be seven left now. thank you for that from the white house. let's bring in the former chief of staff at the cia and he is also the department of defense during the obama administration. i am glad to have you here. you were in regular contact with the family of hersh goldberg-polin. i cannot imagine how difficult it must be to process for them. are you hearing anything? >> even as recently as yesterday, the parents of hersh

goldberg-polin were working multiple angles, multiple initiatives to try to bring leverage and pressure on hamas. they were in close touch with very senior u.s. government officials as recently as yesterday and it was only yesterday afternoon when they were informed that the idf had made this terrible awful discovery that six hostages had been murdered and they a way to the results of the identity and the dna analysis. they let me know, and they let all of their friends and family know that they only had one thing to do, ■hich was to pray. late last night we got the horrible news, that hersh was among the victims murdered by hamas in cold blood after 11 months in captivity, the only thing they could do was offer the traditional jewish prayer , praise, ou, o lord is that is how you console the victims and the loved ones of the victims and it is such a heartbreaking

development. i will have to add that there are seven remaining american hostages. there are four whom we believe to be alive. three who we know have already been murdered but whose remains have not been returned to their families and we need to redouble our efforts as part of the civilized world as part of the most powerful nation in the world to free those hostages, those americans and the other 100 other victims of this terrorism who are being held by hamas. the pressure on them and to bring them home. >> when you say that you know three of the remaining seven american hostages -- >> for. >> we have been killed but four are still alive, do you know their whereabouts? not necessarily you, but does the israeli government know approximately where they are? do they know if they are being moved consciously? do you know anything more in terms of details of what happened last night in this idf raid? >> i have the latest sensitive information on this, nor should i. but what i was says that

throughout the last 11 months, have been various reports and proofs of life and in fact, there was a very important video that was released of hersh to the americans in late april that definitively showed that they were alive and have been other pieces of evidence of the families have received about the whereabouts of the loved ones. these proofs of life and indications through intelligence or other reporting have really sustained them and given them hope. as i said, up until yesterday, the family of this american, hersh goldberg-polin, was working furiously around the clock with no sleep to try to free the loved one, their only son, and by the way, they have received amazing support from the u.s. government. i would say that they have been able to meet with president biden, meet with vice president harris. be with the national security adviser and secretariat of state blinken. secretary of defense lloyd austin. the entire senior leadership of

the u.s. government has been working with these families. it's been done on a bipartisan basis. republicans, democrats on capitol hill have been strongly supporting these families in their efforts to bring their loved ones home. ultimately, hamas decided for whatever reason that it was more important for them to kill these hostages and killed this american than to free them and do this deal. as you also see, israeli society is driven by this because there's a strong view that the netanyahu government has not moved quickly enough to close the deal. and to finalize the cease-fire and it depends on who you talk to inside the negotiations on any given week, this party or that party has instituted a new agreement. i agree strongly with president biden, this time to end the war and bring the hostages home and time to get a cease-fire. israel is facing a wide war.

from hezbollah in lebanon and also from iran, which attacked israel on april 13, so our ally is under fire from four different places in four different vectors and the united states and our allies and partners have a lot of work to do to bring security to the middle east. >> absolutely. >> to your point of bipartisan support, we have heard from president biden, vice president harris as well, and speaker johnson has issued an equally damning station -- statement talk about what has happened, say what a tragedy it is. having said that, let me ask you about the israeli army officials. they said they were murdered shortly before we reach them. these hostages, they have been alive all this time. why these six hostages and why now?

>> we will not know that for a few days, but there have been various reports that certain of the hostages were being held together. hersh was abducted from the music festival. there was some thought that he was maybe co-located with some of the other hostages who were taken from that music festival on october 7. there had also been some reports a certain hostages, high-value hostages, were being used as human shields. they have a way to prevent israeli forces from taking them out. 's was done significant damage to the leadership of hamas. the taken off the battlefield the number two in hamas. there others have been removed from the fight, but he is very savvy, he's probably surrounding himself with lots of civilians occluding these hostages. over the circumstances on the ground? what are the dynamics of a potential idf rescue operation or why they decided to kill the hostages at this point? we don't know and will not know

for some time. >> that yahoo said he who murders abductees does not want to deal. what are the implications? it was a deal for a cease-fire is it completely off the table? >> more than that, anyone who takes innocent people from a music festival from there bedrooms and community centers and parent's arms and rips him away and takes them into tunnels and torches them and imprisons them and starves them and beats them for 11 months, it's hard to see how you could have a productive diplomatic agreement with those monsters. israel has been having to fight this on two fronts. one, militarily, but also through some negotiations brokered by the united states and brokered by egypt, i think ultimately whether both sides agree that it is in their interest to have a cease-fire and return the hostages, i certainly pray for that. i know most people watching

this today want that cease- fire. they want the war to end. we hope and pray that israel will feel secure enough to cease military operations in exchange for getting those remaining hundred hostages home and hamas, i think what is their interest, it is hard to know, because again, they have perpetrated this attack against american citizens. against citizens of the world. they have used civilians as human shields. i cannot see hamas being a productive counterparty to israel in any peace or security negotiations. do the, however, as people map out the day after think about what an arab led security force look like, there will be palestinians, there will be technocrats and people who have experienced working with the palestinian authority will have to step forward and take responsibility for gaza. the israeli military is not

going to be there. we do not have a vacuum to exist and let them reconstitute and create another october 7 attack. shame on us if we allow that. but there needs to be an arab led force. the gulf states have to be involved and have to feel they have a capable arab led military force that can help in the reconstruction of gaza and a demilitarized palestinian entity that lives peacefully side by side with israel cannot threaten americans or israeli citizens or the neighbors. but the palestinians deserve to live in peace and security of their own and that is the only path forward. >> and ask a quick question. how much of the palestinian people today, not october 6 of last year, but today. support hamas in their activities anymore? >> i don't have a good pulse on that. obviously, there has been a

degradation in the leadership of the palestinian authority from the president of the palestinian authority. he is seen as widely unpopular in part because he has not been able to deliver for his people. i can see that there are is some popular support for those militant groups, but these are people who are spoonfed propaganda and vicious lies about israel and about the west and about the united states. in the education system. it is hard to know what they think and what they believe. they do deserve to live in peace and dignity and security and a cease-fire, i think, ultimately will pave the way for that. >> let's hope. thank you so much on this a very somber day. coming up, we will turn to politics with a focus on michigan. kamala harris is heading there tomorrow. and any word from the trump campaign about the upcoming debate.

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voters. the poll was taken after the democratic national convention and vp harris' first a sitdown interview. >> i think she came off with confidence, coldness, and non- defensiveness. hope she will do more of these interviews. agree with your predecessor chuck todd that she should on the weekly shows. she's very competent and running for president, take reviews out there and take the hard questions. today, circuits for both republicans and democrats analyzing the first harris/walz sitdown interview. >> honestly, think she's a much easier opponent because she is held by and accountable to the american people for all of the failure of the last few years of the biden administration. she tried to change her position. >> campaigning is one thing, governing is another. will governing has shown with vice president harris is that she's going to try to bring the team together and make something happen the team includes the med administration, includes congress and includes governors and includes a private sector.

donald trump says he is looking ahead to the september 10 debate. >> the press is really the biggest problem all over the fake news. is the biggest problem of all. because, they medially went from her being a joke, not qualified, she will be terrible and she's the worst vice president in history to all of a sudden, she is wonderful. but she's not wonderful. we have a debate coming up. i look forward to that. she will be exposed. tomorrow, vp harris will attend a labor day celebration in detroit and president biden will join her for a campaign event in pittsburgh, pennsylvania. tuesday, the harris/walz campaign will launch a reproductive freedom bus tour in battleground states. it will kick off in palm beach, florida. joining me now is the michigan attorney general. vice president harris is holding the debate tomorrow. they show kamala harris leading

delta by three pointsñin michigan. the same margin by which president biden won that state in 2020. kind of messages what you bring tomorrow and how do you see the state of the race in michigan right now? >> first of all i think it is great to have vice president harris in michigan, which is a very strong state in support of labor rights, workers' rights, union rights, because vice president harris subscribes all of those things. that is why she is so vigorously supported by labor unions. so, it will be exciting to see her. but, i will say this, michigan is very much the same in every election cycle in that when we have strong voter turnout, democrats win because we have more democrats in this state than we do republicans. and we have the week voter turnout that is when republicans tend to win. i will tell you that democrats

are very very enthusiastic to support kamala harris, but it is not just democrats. a lot of independence and many republicans as well. they just cannot get on board with the chaos, the corruption, the criminality of the trump agenda. i think it is going to be a great visit and i look forward to seeing the vice president. >> let me drill down to that because uncommitted voters have been pretty vocal about their frustration with the biden administration's handling of the war and today's news of the murder of six hostages is tragic and heartbreaking. is the war eight top issue for michigan voters? if so, how can harris which out to arab american voters there? >> and american -- in michigan is not just arab american voters, it is jewish voters as well. for myself, i am the first jewish person to serve in the

office of michigan attorney general but with close relationships in the democratic party with the arab american community. i think both communities really want to see the same thing. they want the hostages to be sent home. and we want to have peace for the palestinian people and the israeli people as well. i will say this on behalf of the american jewish community, at least here in michigan. we are in collective morning today. at the loss of the hostages and at the dnc last week i had the opportunity to meet hersh goldberg-polin's parents and my heart goes out to them. what i know is this, i know that president biden and vice president harris are doing everything in their power to ensure that the hostages are brought back and that the war ends. it is not for lack of trying on their part. if you look at what happened in russia, there were not

advertisements all over the place prior to those hostages being released. just as they were working diligently behind-the-scenes and ultimately, after many years, they were able to be successful. i have every confidence that vice president harris and president biden are working tirelessly on this. it is a difficult situation to navigate when you have the same group who is negotiating for a cease-fire at the same time as they are brutally torturing and murdering israeli hostages. one of whom, i should say, is also an american. >> your echoing the sentiments that were expressed prior to you. let's talk about a recent poll in which 50% of michiganders say project 2025 makes them more likely to support trump. 39% saying that the far right blueprint makes them less likely. the harris campaign launched an extensive new ad campaign focused on tying trump to

project 2025. is a smart to make the threat of project 2025 a key message of her campaign? i voters in michigan talking about project 2025? >> they are. it is trump's blueprint, should he be reelected to this office. we know exactly what he is going to do. the differences last time, i don't think that he laid it out in black and white. he can try all he wants to distance himself from these policies, these programs that we know are part of project 2025, but obviously we know, from every type of evidence you can imagine that this really is his plan. it is a deeply unpopular plan. i will say specifically as we have seen the last few days of donald trump trying to twist himself into a pretzel, deciding on what he thinks

about abortion. on the one hand, roe v. wade was only overturned because of him and he will tell you that himself and brag about it because of those three justices that he appointed to the supreme court that allow that to happen on the other hand, he has this referendum, a voter initiative in florida where he has now said he is going to vote to sustain this six week ban on abortions and it is making your head spin with his different statements. that is what i love about kamala harris. she does not have to pull test every single issue to decide how she feels about it. kamala harris, when she says i trust women, to make decisions about their own bodies, that has been her policy. that has been her core belief. her entire 20 years that she has been in elected office. donald trump, you don't know what to believe because he really has no core beliefs or

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we are back we are back with more on the breaking news out of israel. the bodies of six hostages from gaza, including one american israeli, have been recovered by israeli forces. dental loose is joining me right now. do we know what the effect they could have on a possible deal to release the remaining

hostages? >> is good question. there is a possibility that it puts more pressure on israeli prime minister netanyahu to agree on a temporary cease-fire and get a deal where the remaining hostages could be released. is under severe criticism at home over this tragic episode. the families of the hostages taken there and others are now accusing him of failing to take advantage of the opportunities that were there. they feel that the government by now should have figured out a way to come to an agreement, and negotiations have been dragging on for months. the country's largest labor union threatening a major strike tomorrow over this issue . but, of course, there is a possibility that this episode leads to the government doubling down and pursuing yet

more military pressure on hamas over the murder of these hostages. here is what the israeli military spokesman to the idf had to say about it. >> hamas continues to hold 101 hostages, including women, children, and the elderly. and brutal conditions. we will not rest until we fulfill our mission of bringing all our hostages home. >> that is one school of thought that because of this sinister awful just appalling act, that the israeli military would put more pressure on hamas because of this. >> i ask you something? this is somewhat cynical. look at the protests underway right there. is there also an undercurrent there of by keeping the war

going, does it keep benjamin netanyahu in power? because, there is a school of thought out there that once this were subsides, israel is want him to leave office. >> that is right. he is not a very popular figure there right now. his ratings are very low. he is a very fragile ruling coalition with very extreme right-wing elements that have put pressure on him not to agree to a deal, to a cease- fire. he is pressured on both sides and his critics have openly accused him in israel of dragging this out for his own political benefits. of course, he totally rejects that. i think this is a very difficult moment now and the public dissatisfaction is striking. >> it sure is. we can see the pictures right there. thank you so much. the new questions about whatever happened to the postconvention bump. plus, the new headline from the "new york times", harris' team

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vice president vice president kamala harris in the lead in a new national mall, but no major bump after the democratic convention. the abc news poll shows harris leading 52% to 46% among likely voters, which is outside the margin of labor error. there leaving no possible votes untouched. >> there touching rural areas and a red counties and red states. they're all over not just talking to democrats, they are talking to republicans. to the independence. to so many americans who are just tuning in this labor day and have not made up their mind about who they're going to vote

for. on issue after issue, protect the middle class, it will functioning economy, standing up for reproductive freedom, these are things that kamala harris and tim walz believe that will fight for. things that donald trump and jd vance do not know the first thing about. with me now is my sunday family. we have the host of the caucus room podcast and ceo of pine street policies and susan del percio and former republican congressman david jolly. the vice president did not get a major bump, but then neither did trump during his convention then there is this. new memo released today insists she is the clear underdog but that very same campaign spokesperson a month and a half ago with president biden says we will win by every measure the vice president is pulling better than former president biden. what is behind the messaging? the underdog? >> by no circumstances can you allow folks to get complacent. there's a lot of people used to have to be convinced to not only come out to vote, but to register, to start paying

attention like governor mark ely said. there is a compacted campaign and the worst possible thing that the harris campaign could do is take advantage of all of the momentum and let that psychologically allow people to believe that we have this in the bag. by no means. they do not. in my believe kamala harris will be an underdog until the day that congress certifies the votes in january because we cannot forget that no woman has ever won the presidency. she is the underdog through election day and you have to run through the tape as a function of campaign operations. you have to keep making people continue to believe that there is a chance she can lose and everyone has to stay engaged. it takes everyone because the democratic party and the coalition that she will need to be successful as a party of the big tent. lots of different factions that require different messaging and all of them need to be on board to not only vote for her, but

you have to understand that there is a lot of work to do between now and election day. susan, several polls have trump at 47% nationally and in key battleground states, those being for georgia and michigan. in 2020, he won 47% of the vote and he lost. in 2016 he earned 46% and then he won. third-party votes played a big role in 2016. does this suggest that trump has a ceiling? he appears uninterested in earning new votes. will that harm him? >> trump has always had a ceiling and we sought most when he was actually serving as president of the united states. he could never crack 50%. he has a high floor and a low ceiling. so we have a going on, trump, and actually the harris/walz campaign as well, both decided to run real base of actions knowing that the middle, the swing is so small that trump has written it off, i agree with you there, but they're both trying to turn out that base and that is what we have seen. and that is in their schedules,

even. it is nice that harris is saying that she's trying to make inroads with republicans, but i really think it is more about getting her base turnout. you cannot be complacent. that is where she's going to win, if she can turn out to the base vote that started to leave biden, but are coming back to harris. >> so the number set point, 93% of democrats who say harris is doing a good or excellent job handling her campaign. is 79% for republicans but harris gets high marks across the board. does that show strength not only with her base, but maybe also with independence? >> it certainly does. as a candidate you need 90% or more of your party. if you dip below 90% of your own party, you're in trouble. the enthusiasm is there for vice president harris among democrats and your seeing and expanding coalition. agree with everything that don

and season to said. donald trump's ceiling is 40%. the true is that vice president harris is probably the underdog right now electoral college. she probably is. in the vice president's campaign, not just with the momentum but the ability to grow the coalition in a way that donald trump cannot. the a/for the wind is he is the moment that it becomes real that the work in georgia by democrats and work in north carolina by democrats that has rightly been going on for a decade begins to pay off dividends, georgia and north carolina hit the map for democrats in real numbers than vice president's can make it say we really have a shot at this electoral college. but today, without a wink and a nod, kamala harris is probably the electoral college underdog.

man tried to storm the press area climbed onto riser before being surrounded by police who eventually used a taser on him. was moments after trump claimed the media was not covering him fairly and accuse cnn of fawning over vice president harris in their interview with her. the moments just after that protester rushed onto the press riser. >> that is beautiful. that is all right. that is okay. he is on our side. we get a little itchy, don't we. he is on our side. >> trump saying he is on our side, what does that say to you? >> you think that a guy did not just try to kill him a month ago, that is what it says to me. that i was on your side. -- >> you have frozen up. i'm going to bring you in, susan, and get your reaction. are you worried about more political violence in the 65

days leading up to election day? >> i never stop worrying about political violence. since trump's first campaign, was offered a he is the one that said it is okay to deck someone, i will pay your legal bills. this is a continuation of what donald trump is all about. he is willing happily to use violence as a means of securing support. it comes as no surprise, but if this is not a wake-up call to what you can start to expect to come election day and the days after, as don was saying earlier, until january 6, of next year, this is something we have to watch and be careful of. >>'s i want to turn to the news of the middle east that we have led our shows with today. six hostages taken by hamas found dead, including an israeli-american. does is have political implications from perhaps additional pressure on the biden/harris campaign, or rather, administration, to negotiate a deal, but also scrutiny of harris' foreign- policy? what you think?

>> i think it is more the latter. the cultural, political, moral impact israel for all american voters, particularly those with a strong interest or ties to the middle east and the war going on there. i think of it twirly, an issue like this typically does not influence an election. but where might we see this influence in election? how the vice president handles questions about either from the press or during her debate. how does donald trump handle questions about it? we can measure each of them about their ability to show confidence and command to show strong u.s. leadership and show empathy and the moral is that is required at this moment. and the outlier in this is we are blessed that the u.s. has not been drawn more into this conflict. as you saw from biden's statement, he will have a

response himself in some way to what we have learned today. if the u.s. were to get drawn further in by november, that all bets are off going into the presidential contest. >> susan, the last word to you about the potential political implications of all of this. >> i think david is absolutely right as far as it is a matter of how the issue is handled with the press and response.pu:! we do have to be prepared that there is something that could happen, especially around the one-year anniversary of october 7, that can quickly change global affairs could come home as a result of. >> all right. unfortunately, don's signal froze up and he will bring him back into this week. the clash between reality and perception when it comes to the u.s. economy. next.s. . and we got you. now with verizon, get nfl sunday ticket from youtube tv on us and get every out-of-market sunday game. plus $800 off samsung galaxy z fold6.

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many americans may have more money in their pocket than they used to. a new analysis from the treasury department from the typical u.s. worker can afford the same goods and services as they did in 2019, and have an extra $1400 in their pockets. this is due to weekly wage earnings risings more than that weight rate of inflation. the stuff the gdp was advised up to 3%. another positive indicator for the economy. joining me now is caleb silver, editor and chief. what does this tell you about our economy and if it is true, why don't people feel like things have improved? why do they feel like they have less money than they may actually have? >> great question. headline number saying that the economy is in very great shape. we're coming off of 1.4% growth in the first quarter. inflation is subsiding a bit. the stock market is at record highs. all of the things saying that the economy is strong and we

have wage growth and have had wage growth. 24% versus 21.5% with inflation. but the realfeel in the economy come the things we need to buy are very expensive. shelter, food, we are talk about insurance, they cannot get away from these costs. people might have $1400 more in their bank than they might have had a few years ago, ever the us is costing a lot more money. that is the median income. not everyone make sense of the lower to middle income households are still feeling the stress of inflation. is or anything of a mindset that can be baked in? we've been talking so long about everything is costing so much more. we don't have as much money. is there a mindset that can permeate society like that and if so, have you seen that before? >> the polls say the 50% or more of americans think we are in a recession. we are not in a recession. 50% or more thing were in a bear market, we are not. the stock market is in record highs. the repetition of bad news we hear over and over again, it keeps in your mind.

consumer confidence has been low even though spending is driving the economy and we have had wage growth over the past four years. >> what about interest rates. the fed is set to lower them, does that bring relief? >> it is because money gets cheaper. they meet in 17 days and 20 minutes. we are all waiting for the fed to lower rates and they will lower rates probably a quarter percent and then do it again before the end of the year. next year we are looking interest rate somewhere between 4% and 5% which means that money is cheaper. mortgage rates are going down. credit card apr is going down. the cost to get a new car and finance is going down. that make people feel like they have a bit more breathing room, because if you have to pay high interest rates. that is a relief and hopefully the labor market continues to remain strong and friday we will get a very important jobs number which should set the tone for the rest of the or. >> 17 hours and 18 minutes. us about the proposed merger of kroger and albertsons.

the ftc is suing with eight other states, as well as washington, d.c., they tried to stop the $25 billion merger. they say that will hurt competition, raise prices. copies are saying the opposite, of course. what are the stakes and do think it is likely that the deal goes through? >> the ftc has been tough on companies in general lately and this was a present october 2022 which shows along the cases take and they sued back in february of this year. does not look like it will allow it because they surface some emails and a recent hearing with one of the heads of pricing for one of the supermarket chains saying that they are pricing the goods higher than inflation which shows the taking advantage of the fact that prices were high and this is just another piece of evidence for ftc said they do not care about the consumer here. they will raise prices as soon as they merge. see them blocking this but these cases take years to play out. about 100 or so big cases in front of the ftc including amazon that they have to do with as ell.

>> we did put the kroger statement on the screen as you were speaking as well. grief and anger in israel. protesters take to the streets after the recovery of six dead hostages in gaza. new information at the top of the hour.

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