the administration that she's been a part of and a candidate who is seeking to represent change and to turn the page, and that is a tricky balancing act, and it's interesting to see how she can pull that off. >> you're right about that. the first debate proving how significant debates can be. great conversation. that is all for today. thank you for watching. have a great labor day weekend, we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." okay. labor day always marks the final sprint to election day, and it's fa irto say both candidates are

sprinting ahead a little differently. vice president harris is making headlines with her first half sit down, and donald trump is making headlines over his deranged posts on social media. and jd vance once again is highlighting his bizarre comments regarding those who don't have children. in this one, he's calling teachers by name and randee weingarten is here to respond. and later as we get underway with paralympics, we'll show you two of the most inspiring pair olympians i've ever spoken with. okay. so tomorrow is labor day, which for many of you likely means parties, picnics, parades, hot dogs, watermelon, whatever it may be. it's also usually the start of the political season.

but this year it's safe to say it came a bit earlier. i mean, take a look at what happened in the last few months. an assassination attempt against the former president, a change at the top of ticket on the democratic side. it's been a lot. we don't know what's going to happen in the next two months. we do know some things about the state of the presidential race right now. a new poll shows harris taking the lead nationally. but more is her taking over in the sunbelt states. it's always going to be one in a handful of states and it shows her winning back young voters, moving from supporting trump by 11 points to supporting harris by 13 points. and also a group of latino voters that trump has been worked on cultivating, that they have moved from supporting trump by two points to supporting harris by 16 points and black

voters now support harris by 64 points. basically this is all good news. what it means is the democrats are coming home. it's also important to remember the race remains close. a lot is happening on the campaign trail too. the harris/walz bus tour wrapped up last week md and the debate between harris and trump is in just one week. it appears trump, vance, and the rest of their maga true are still trying to effectively align a line of attack against kamala harris. they ceased to do a sitdown interview, saying she was hiding

from the media, unwilling to take questions. this week harris and walz sat down with cnn's dana bash to do just that. >> one, i am so proud to have served as president trump to joe biden, and, two, i'm so proud to be running with tim walz for president of the united states and to bring america what i believe the american people deserve, which is a new way forward and turn the page on the last decade of what i believe has been contrary to where the spirit of our country really lies. >> but the last decade, the last three and a half years has been part of your administration. >> i'm talking about an era that started about a decade ago where there is some suggestion, warped, i believe it to be, that the measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down instead of where i believe most americans are, which is to

believe that the true measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you lift up. that's what's at stake as much as any other detail we could discuss in this election. >> that's one clip. we're going to show you much more clips and talk to some of my favorite people. basically to give you a summary, basically kamala harris and tim walz talked on border policy, what they would do on day one, who they'd want in their cabinet. they talked about a lot of things in this interview. that should settle the question, right? everybody should move on and settle other debates of the day? of course not. the target has shifted. now the question is not over whether or not she did a sitdown interview but whether she did it right. many are outraged she did it with walz. you can see it's extremely

common. ask barack obama and joe biden, hillary clinton and tim kaine. first of all, trump was reindicted on charges for attempting to subvert the last presidential election. he reposted wildly crude remarks about kamala harris on social media and shared dozens of other dark derogatory, disturbing posts this week, posts that call for the jailing of people who have tried to hold him accountable, like special counsel jack smyth and the lawmakers who investigating january 6th, ai inches of his perceived enemies in orangeupsuits and post qanon

issues. we have our two guests here. tim miller is writer at large for the bulwark. they're some of my favorite people to talk politics with, and they all join me now. molly, let me start with you. i want to play a bunch of parts of this interview. i think it's quite telling, especially with the comparison. let me play what i tell you is my interview, and then we'll talk about it afterward. >> i want to ask you about what he said last month. he said you happened to turn black recently for political purposes, questioning a core part of your identity. >> yeah. >> any -- >> same old tired playbook. next question, please. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> i mean, i loved that. first of all i thought how she

said, hmm, yeah, during the interview first of all. but it's interesting because there's a debate coming up in just a week. she's going to be attacked by donald trump. molly, what did you make of that response or how she handled questions about these types of attacks? >> i thought that was the only way to respond to something like that, right? why should she have to answer trump's racist smear about her? i mean, that is the fundamental problem with a lot of these questions. the goal of an interview -- i do a lot, you do a lot -- the goal is to get information from a person, so when she says, well, this, you know, donald trump says this race it slur about you and questions your identity, like, okay, that's donald trump. it says more about donald trump than it does about her. my problem with this interview was i thought the harris/walz

ticket did actually really well, but if you want information from people, if you want policy, if you want, you know, to know what they would do, the way to do that is to ask real sub stan tissue questions and not just be sort of very republican frame talking points or to ask them to sort of defend themselves against things that are consider that was just an attack on her. it wasn't a question. there's no question there. she is who she is. it's pretty offensive. so in that moment, i thought she dealt with that as well as anyone could deal with something like that. but imagine if anyone asked me like, are you jewish, i'm jewish, that's it. if somebody says i'm not jewish, that's okay, but i am. >> i agree with you. that's exactly how she should have responded to that. the interesting thing is she's going to have deal with this more and more as she does more interviews. and also in direct attacks by

trump himself. tim, you've prepped candidates for debates. what do you think about how she did that interview or what else stuck out about that interview? >> i though it that interview was great and charming, and so i think it was definitely a highlight. i concur on that with you, jen. these interviews are challenging. this nitpick is less about that and more looking forward to the debate. that was she was having to introduce herself, answer. i thought she answered quite well, explaining her revolution on the range of policies and answering for some of the positions she took in 2019 that are different from some of the positions she's taken now. she seemed prepped for that and plain explained it well and she explained about building consensus and how you have to build consensus, i liked that. what you do prep candidates for is you answer that and pivot to why your opponent's terrible.

she didn't do as much of that. maybe that was strategic. in her first interview, she was focused on introducing herself to most people. that's a big debate. in one example, before that clip, dana said, you haven't met trump before. the debate will be the first time. there's a reason why. he didn't show up because he was pouting like a child and was flying home to mar-a-lago to his support cooters. i think there are a lot of things. you've got to refine answering your question and then answering what about this guy. >> that's an interesting question. i do agree with you strategically she wanted to kind

of base her own record and answer some of those questions, but the counterpunching, that's a key part of the debate. let's turn here a little bit to where the race stands now, maria. i listed some of the interesting polling. i think it's democrats coming back home when you look at latino voters, black voters, young voters. one of the things that stood out to me, harris is leading lower income voters 58% to 35%. what are you seeing coming into labor day and the path ahead? >> what we found really interesting is right before the convention, she was at 60%. independents were at 7%. trump is at 29%. she's taking away not just from the independents, but from trump. this was before the bump. this was voters in georgia,

north carolina, and nevada. we haven't covered it enough, but the fact she's giving them a platform to say we're going to build more affordable housing, more affordable rent controls all the way down the line, that's when we found young voter, black and latinos, housing is the numb berry one issue. usually it hits you in your 20s through 40s. it speaks to not only who she is, a woman of color and experience, but she's meeting them where they are with their bread and butter issues. >> it's an interesting point. we long talked about it not being about policy issues between harris and trooper. she talked about health care

issues and latino issues. how do you explain the big swing among latino voters among this poll? >> what we found is not that people were defecting, but more that they were interested in the third party. it was the latina women. they were aligning, but they needed something fresh. what we found was interesting and this is why her defining herself on this first interview was so important is that people loved her, but they don't know who she is. so she's a blank slate. that's the best thing for an opportunity for her because unlike hillary who had 30 years of baggage because of the right to find her, this is saying, this is what i stand for. we haven't talked about it enough. it makes it harder for the far right and foreign agents to defin her on tiktok and on social media platform because

she's speaking to them directly. >> that's a key point. fill in the space. we have to take a quick break. everybody stay with me. we'll talk more about the interview, the sprint, and what happens after a quick break. we'll also show you a clip of trump talking about six-week abortion bans, and we'll talk about that too. bans, and we'll about that too can neuriva support your brain health? mary, janet, hey!! (thinking: eddie, no frasier, frank... frank?) fred! how are you?! fred... fuel up to 7 brain health indicators, including your memory. join the neuriva brain health challenge.

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so if you needed another sign to know that donald trump has a problem when it comes to women when it comes to reproductive rights, listen to this. >> in if florida that you are a resident of, there's an abortion-related amendment on the ballot to overturn the six-week ban. how are you going to vote on that? >> i think six weeks is too short. i told them i want more weeks. >> you're voting in favor of the amendment? >> i'm going to vote we need more than six weeks.

>> i'm going to be voting that we need more than six weeks. okay, nbc's dasha burns was asking him. now, trump's campaign tried to quickly clarify that he was just reiterating his belief that six weeks is too short and that's not a statement about how he will vote despite what we just heard him say. look, this is a guy who openly bragged about overturning roe. this weird campaign is doing him no favors in my view. maria, molly, and tim are all back with me. okay, molly, to state the obvious, he's got a huge problem here, watching him try to untangle his campaigning. do you do something with this? what should they be doing about

it? >> look, trump has painted himself into a corner here, right? he has these anti-choice ballots who want a national ban, right? that's basically their position. you have these members of of the supreme court -- you heard alito and thomas to you the comstock act and harris does too to end the mailing of abortion bills. and then you have a general electorate that largely does not like this, and you have horror stories coming out of red states about women who can't get prenatal care in the first trimester. it's a nightmare for trump and we've seen since the overturning of roe it's something people have voted on. it's a disaster for hip. he's going to keep talking about

it. you keep him talking about it and harris wins, right? this is a winning issue for harris. it's also like a disaster for women and it continues to be. so as much as it is a winning issue for harris, i take no joy because there are so many women suffered that no. state after state is passing such restrictive laws. tim, let me ask you. for trump, he knows in his mind his position is not popular, but in his mind he knows evangelicals and others are key to his base. is there even a place? i mean molly's point is an important one, about the impact this would have and continue to have for people across the country. but for him, is there even a place to be? i mean should he just not talk about it at all? probably? >> i don't think there is.

my colleague rick caputo talked about the "a" word. there was some backlash among conservatives about the fact that he made that statement to dasha, right? some of them were mad that he didn't -- you know, he seemed to support this referendum, which pro-life conservatives really don't like. the florida amendment bans any sort of restrictions on abortions that relate to the health of the mother all the way up till birth. if you're a pro-lifer, that's a pretty far left amendment. some were quite upset he seemed to imply he would be voting for it, and that's why he backtracked. that's why he doesn't want to talk about it at all as you point out. >> seems like he's going to have to because of the debate. because of this ballot initiative, florida has been an interesting topic of discussion,

i think, among democrats and political people. and the harris campaign, the campaign is going to -- they're launching a bus tour in florida. in palm beach, trump's backyard, surrogates will be talking about reproductive rights. one spoke about it at the convention, how she was raped by her stepfather when she was only 12 years old. >> we recognize a voter by how many register and what states are outperforming. since she was moved to the top of the ticket, believe it or not, we're tied with a ticket for texas and -- >> latino -- >> voter registration, which is a huge thing. 65% of the people in the registry are under the age of

25. jen, you and i have been at this for a minute. what she is offering, i think, is unlimited -- it's limited resources, but she's offering a safety, making sure that debbie might have a shot in the event that some other senator loses. she needs colleagues in the senate. she needs colleagues in the house of representatives. so she's saying we have certain donors who want us in florida. if you're going to back us, i'll play there too. that's what she's doing, increasing her map. >> thank you for being with me here on a labor day weekend. i really appreciate it. coming up, jd vance is caught going after childless teachers in another researched clip. it will never end. and called out one by name.

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hardly a week seems to go by that we don't learn something new about jd vance's weird obsession with childless women. i mean, he's disparaged them as cat ladies, suggested they were sociopaths, claims they have no stake in this country at all, and says they shouldn't have equal voting rights. if that wasn't insulting enough, another recent clip now revealed jd vance thinks about teachers who don't have kids of their own. in it, he singled out randy winegarder, the teacher in the largest teachers union of the country. take a listen. >> there are so many people to will the left -- i hate to bring this up, but people without children are bringing up our children. that's so disturbing to me.

randi weingarten does not have a shot. she should have some of her own and leave ours the hell alone. >> anyone who has children like i do knows teachers are national treasures whether they have kids or not. randi weingarten is always the stepmother of two. she's the president of the federation of teachers. it's great to see you. this is a pretty strange litmus test, i have to say, and it strikes me -- this is what i kept thinking about. maybe he hasn't met any of his kids' teachers, i really don't know. but do you think jd vance has actually given any thought to what makes teachers good at jobs? >> no. i mean, it's -- you know, i've been thinking about it all week, jen, because it was strange when he said it then, but the fact that he doubled down on it this week is even stranger because

he's running for vice president of the united states of america, and we have 50 million kids in the united states, and they are our future, and whether you go to a public school or parochial school or private school, this is that moment that parents and teachers are all bonding together. it's that moment of engagement. it's that moment of teachers trying to create safe and welcoming environments. you know this with your own kids. we all have the jitters, we're all like both anxious and excited about the school year. so it was just a bizarre thing for him to double down on it now because every parent and every teacher and every kid in august and september are thinking about the new year and what it means and that engagement, so he must

really be disconnected from life. and the only other thing i would say is this. i don't care about myself, you know. i'm used to this. i'm a big girl. but what i care about is we really need to create these kind of environments and engagements for kids, and this is the kind of bullying and divisiveness that i think kamala harris and tim walz are saying we've got to turn the page and actually look at what the promise of america is and our future and have some joy and hope and togetherness in terms of going ahead in our future. >> that's such a good point. i think of my kids' teachers as part of the team. we're all part of the team. we're raising the next generation together. that's the vibes we're going after here. let me ask you on a more positive point. the mom common population among their grassroots donors is teachers and nurses, which i think is so interesting.

of course, tim walz was a teacher himself. that's part of it. positive vibes, that's part of it. what do you think is spurring that? >> first off, we're the second largest -- we're the second largest k-12 union, the largest higher ed union, and the second largest nurse union, so i get to represent -- i have the best job in life. i get to represent all these folks who make a difference in the lives of others, but i think what you're seeing is these are caring professions. they're disproportionately female professions, and they're professions where they have been, you know, political pinatas, nurses before covid and teachers in some ways after covid. and so they see people who are really trying to help us not only have the dignity of work but really do the jobs we want to do, which is make a difference in the lives of kids, in the lives of patients.

>> obviously jd vance has some strong opinions about people who don't have kids. we talked about that. i want to take a look at some of his greatest hits and then we'll talk about that. >> childless cat ladies. >> and babies are good. >> part of it is some believe not having kids is a lifestyle brand. >> you go on twitter and the most people who are deranged and psychotic don't have kids of their own. >> when you come to this country as a parent, you should have more power to speak in a national democratic republic than those who don't have kids. >> i find that invasive and weird. how do you think voters are going to take all that in come

november? >> so let me say this. there are a lot of people who have wanted kids and don't have kids and when you say this, that's really painful. that's a whole other conversation you and i can have for hours, but kids -- but this is what i think is not really so weird but sand gross about what he's doing. kids are our future. all of us should have responsibility for the next generation. that should be all of our responsibility. so when he's trying to divide parents versus teachers, people who have kids versus not, it's part of that division and that chaos and that anger that trump has done for the last eight years and that -- i'm going to say it again -- that kamala

harris and tim walz are saying let's turn the page. let's get to the america we want to have, the america that even ronald reagan talked about in terms of the beacon on the hill. let's think about our next days in front of us, and that means helping our kids and all of us having responsibility for our kids, our parents, our neighbors, our communities. >> sounds good to me. rah din weingarten, thanks so much for joining me. i appreciate. >> it thank you. hab labor day. >> and happy labor day. you may have seen my next guest on the stage of the dnc, hammering home the working-class voters. he joins me next. he joins me next. voters he joins me next

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trump, a billionaire, promises to take on the elites but hands out money to the big oil and punches down anyone with the guts to be different. but populism, populism that insists we are too different to get along is just divide and conquer by a different name. >> that was john russell, one of the breakout stars at this year's democratic convention. if you're on tiktok, you've probably known about him for a while, whether it's his interviews with labor leaders like shawn fain.

he's been making waves for years and americans on social media love him not because he's a self-ascribed dirt bag journalist or bartender but because he talks about things. it's great to meet you. i loved watching you at the convention. you did a great job. >> well, hey, jen, thanks for having me on. i'm glad i didn't have anything in my teeth or drink water furiously like marco rubio did. >> that's bringing us back. you were, of course, one of the convention's first official creators. what was it like to be included that, and what's been the response since you returned home? >> well, it's pretty crazy, as you can imagine. it's one thing to make videos on the internet.

it's another to walk out to 20,000-plus people in a place where the chicago bulls play, but, you know, i came there. unfortunately we've been dealing with jd vance and appalachia and donald trump made him everyone else's problem. i wanted to bring him to the stage and challenge political leaders to live up to some of the problems we have here that are extending across the country. >> to your point, we have been following -- if they don't follow you on social media, they should. you've been following jd vance's career for a long time. i want to play what happened at a union address this past week and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> president trump and i are proud to be the most proworker republican ticket in history and i want to talk about why we're fighting for working people and why we're going to fight for unions and nonunions alike.

>> that was quite a response there. people were booing. what do you make? you're so familiar -- you educate people on working rights, what they're fighting for and not. what is it about jd vance and trying to convince firefighters -- >> you saw the response of firefighters. jd vance doesn't pass the smell test. that's not to take away from his experience with appalachia and his growing up here for a short time. when you leave the place you grew up in and make a bunch of fancy friends and the people you know now are part of the ruling class, tech overlords and a bunch of rich guys that vance rubs elbows with, he's palling

around with them now and he's trying to have it both ways, and people know that that's just more of the fake populism that we see on offer from donald trump. you know, i tried to talk about that in the speech last thursday that, you know, we're being offered this fake version of populism where jd vance and trump are trying to get us to point fingers across the table at each other rather than pointing p at the biggest corporations run by the richest people on earth who are making life hard for the working class, so i think that all came together when he walked out there in front of firefighters. they know whose side he's on. that's the question in front of us, which side are you on? >> no question about it. i could talk to you for a long time. i do want to ask you. you're so good at breaking down issues. how wow you'd advise kamala harris to pitch her record to union voters? >> well, i would say that working-class people want somebody that stands with them.

we are in a time when unions are at record popularity in the biggest voting blocs and gen z, we have exciting new leaders who are saying this is all different races and different places and working-class people are standing up and fighting for themselves. they're looking for a party, a political home who's going to stand unequivocally with them. that's the challenge i want to bring to democrats and i tried to tie that back to appalachia, where the largest uprising ever in the united states happened in the coal fields a hundred years ago. black coal leaders fought and died for their life and that's the party i want to challenge to live up to. >> that's a good challenge. john russell, thanks so much for joining me. happy labor day. coming up, the paralympic games kicked off this week, and

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paralympians from team usa. four-time gold medal paralympian swimmer lindsey cohen and oksana masters, who has won medals in multiple events in the winter and summer games and who this week was part of the torch relay to kick off this year's paralympic games. here is my conversation with mackenzie and oksana. >> thank you for taking the time. you are both very busy, so i appreciate you making the time for me. mackenzie, i want to start with you. i was a mediocre college swimmer i think it is safe to say. you are not a mediocre swimmer but you are an elite athlete. you began aqua therapy when you were just 4 years old and now you are a multiple gold-winning olympian. you have medals here. >> i do. >> it is very cool. >> yes. >> which is so amazing. now, you have won multiple olympic medals.

when people hear that they think maybe you just like came out of the womb and you were just an olympic swimmer. >> yeah, i know, right. >> tell me, what was your journey like? you started at 4 in aqua therapy. what happened from there. >> yes, i certainly wish i came out of the womb right at it, but my journey was a really long one to get here. i was born with a condition called osteogenesis imperfecta. my parents were only told of the things i would never do, i would never sit, talk, walk, stand, i wouldn't even hold my head up, yet alone if i lived to see the rest of my life. so my parents, i was really, really blessed with them. they said that is not going to be our daughter's life, and we are going to do everything we possibly can to live a happy and full life. so we went from there to my first physical therapy appointment. four years later they said, let's get her in aqua therapy. it kind of took on a life of its

own really. >> did you know that you loved swimming immediately? >> oh, yes. i took to the water and i immediately felt at home, which was something that i never truly felt on land. it is like i was meant to be in the water. the water was a safe place for me. i was free to move around. i didn't have to worry about breaking bones the way that i did on land. and to this day that same feeling i got when i got in the water for the first time, i still get when i dive in. >> oksana, you compete. you have won medals in multiple events. reading about you and the number of sports that you compete, rowing, cross country skiing, road cycling and the biathlon. that's a lot. you have an incredible personal story of how you got here. i don't think you would have necessarily pictured, you or your parents as a little kid where you would be. tell me about that. >> i was born in ukraine and i lived in multiple different orphanages before i was adopted.

the last orphanage is the one i really knowing that -- i didn't know i was disabled. i just knew i didn't have a mom or a family. when i got to america i learned i'm different, i'm disabled and that's bad thing. my mom adopted me, and i say there's three things that saved my life. she adopted me from ukraine, which she saved my life when she adopted me because i was considered failure to thrive. i was 36 inches tall and weighed 38 pounds which is a healthy 3 year old. kind of like for you too, you were given a low life expectancy. they told my mom, well, she is not expected to live much past 10 years old. there's not a lot of life for her. she saved my life that way. sport for me was the other thing that really saved my life when i got -- she opened the door for me, but kind of like water, not in the water because i'm not --

i don't know how you guys swim. i want to be -- i love the water but on top of the water, rowing. yeah, it was just the same thing. when i got into sports and on that rowing boat and pushed away leaving my -- at that time i had one prosthetic leg. i felt i belonged somewhere, where i grew up my entire life not knowing where i belonged, knowing i was rejected and not wanted in this world, by my own family at that. it felt like home. finally it was the path to gaining confidence and strength and seeing what was possible. >> you are both deeply competitive people. i have heard this, i see this. there are definitely, mackenzie, highs and lows in sports, right? >> right. >> you have paralympic medals there. >> i do. >> you have probably not won every race you ever swim. >> no. >> how do you navigate loss and

disappointment? >> i have dealt with a condition that's unpredictable. it causes bones that are fragile that break for little to no reason at all. throughout my entire childhood, my entire career i have had to deal with fractures from time to time, and sometimes i don't even do anything and they just happen. so how do you navigate that? how do you constantly navigate setbacks, how do you face that? you face it head on. you don't run from it. you know, my parents, they would say, you have 24 hours to be upset about it, you can cry, but after that we have to figure out how to move forward because it is your life and you can't standstill. my thanks to mackenzie cohen and oksana masters, both incredibly inspiring. of course, go team usa. that does it for me today. don't forget to buy your tickets to msnbc live democratic 2024 in brooklyn, coming up this saturday, september 7th. for now, stay where you are. there's much more news coming up

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