he killed his father but insisted he only did it to protect his mother from his dad's escalating abuse. information the new lawyer argued should've been presented at sentencing. in his young life, he pleased everybody. has coaches, teachers, his devoted friends. outwardly happy, inwardly no one really knew. the motion to vacate the sentence was denied, but finally, courtesy of his 11 page affidavit in his own words, we got an answer to the question shot and killed jim tan. it was a mystery put to rest. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i could speak all afternoon about the person i'm standing on this stage with. >> folks, i have an incredible

partner, and the progress we've made, she's going to make one hell of a president. >> hi, again, everyone. you do not see that all the time in politics, affection that genuine. president joe biden and vice president kamala harris are today doing it again, hitting the campaign trail together. in just a little bit we expect to hear from them later in the hour as they mark labor day in pittsburgh. both of them will be speaking at an event at a local union hall. we'll see them alongside senator bob casey and governor josh shapiro. we'll bring you those remarks when they begin. "the new york times" writes this. quote, mr. biden has called himself the most pro-union president in history. last year he became the first sitting president to visit a picket line. now ms. harris is hoping to adopt that proworking for

herself. as our own colleague reports labor day in pittsburgh has been one of the hallmarks of president biden's repeat political life. in 2018 he used the city's parade as a kick off for a campaign blitz for down ballot candidates, which itself was a soft launch for the 2020 presidential campaign. today the stop in pennsylvania is the first of three this week in battleground states by the president followed by michigan and wisconsin. vice president harris herself was in michigan earlier today speaking at another union-focused event in detroit. >> the labor movement has always understood the power of the collective and the power of unity, the power of unity. and while we are fighting so much nonsense that is about trying to divide our country, trying to pull us apart, look to

what the history and the present of labor tells us about the power of the collective unity, the spirit of that work as much as the product of that work. it's very telling and gives us really good lessons about what creates strengthen. >> i just heard that governor walz is speaking right now live in milwaukee at his labor day event. let's listen to that. >> it doesn't help with our ability to collectively bargain and to fight with the dignity of work that we know every single person in america deserves. so, look, i sometimes say this. we're running for something. we're running to run forward to the future, and i don't think it's always great to run against something, but i do think it's important to be informed. if you think those guys were bad the last time he was in the

white house, just wait if he gets another shot at it. and, again, they have told us exactly what they're going to do. the goals in project 2025 are clear. it should be subtitled "how to screw the working people." that's how it should be listed. when you make it harder to unionize, you make it harder on all workers. allowing employers to cut overtime pay or even eliminate it. look, project 2025 is even going after the 40-hour workweek. let's all be clear, it's the folks standing here and those shoulders we stand on gave us the 40-hour workweek and the weekend. so thank you, labor. somebody -- somebody said what's next, child labor? hell yeah, it's in there. that's what they've got in there. usee states doing that, putting our children at risk.

that's what they'll do. look, they'll go after things like social security and medicare. and i keep saying this, repeal the affordable care act, go back to no pre-existing protections, and even if you're not on the aca, you know somebody who relies on it. and here's what i say, they don't give a damn about social security because i guess if you've got a billion dollars, you don't care if a social security check shows up. but i'll tell you who pays for, my mom, and she worked for it and earned it. that's how it worked. look, i know this is preaching to the choir, but we've got about 60 days to sing, choir. we've got 64 days to get to our relatives, to talk to them, to tell them what's out there. look, this guy has made it clear how he stands. he's sitting down at mar-a-lago after he got elected president and this is his exact quote.

he's talking to a bunch of folks at mar-a-lago. you're rich as hell and we're going to give you a tax cut. at the same time he's looking at workers and saying you get paid too much already. you tell me, damn, i wish they'd give billionaires tax cuts and screw me over, damn i wish they'd take my health care away, and then at end of the day i wish they'd make me work until i'm 70 years old. no one is asking them. what they're asking is to be treated fairly and with dignity. that's what we have. look -- look, i know, we all know this. i remember a time when republicans talked about things like freedom they meant it. they would never turn their back on our allies, but that's not these guys. trump and vance, when they talk about freedom means government should have the freedom to invade every corner of our life.

they talk about small government, small enough to be in your bedroom, small enough to be in your exam room, small enough to be in your library telling you the things that you should make decisions about. so let's be very clear, where i come from and where you come from as neighbors, we respect differences. that's your opinion. look, we're sitting here brewers and twins fans, vikings and packers. look, we respect it. but on things like health care and what books i read and democracy, we all live by that very simple golden rule. mind your own damn business. your republican neighbors want to live that way. we have to tell that story. but, look, i agree with this. we have a responsibility to tell people not just what we're against but what we're for.

so let me just take a second here to tell you exactly what vice president harris and i will do. as president, vice president harris will sign the pro act, make it easier to form unions, period. period. and you know what comes out of that? you can collectively bargain? you can go do the work, get fair wages, safer working conditions, good health care, and a good pension. i saw last week "the wall street journal" did a story because apparently i am the poorest person to ever run for president. but then they did another story that said, oh, he's actually richer than his statement says because he has, and i quote a

defined benefit pension plan. that is my wish for every american to have a defined benefit pension plan. so, look, we'll lower taxes on working families and we can make corporations pay their fair share. look, they're doing really well. they can pay their fair share because, guess what, we have a saying in minnesota. when everybody does better, everybody does better. it's not that difficult. it's not that difficult. and you can be sure we'll fight for social security and medicare. and we'll not cut taxes for the wealthy and raise the ages on social security and medicare. that will not happen. look, we got it in minnesota, and we want it for everybody. we're going to fight for paid family and medical leave for everybody in this country.

shouldn't be asking so much to spend a little time with your child after you're born or if you're got chemotherapy treatments not to lose your house, that's not difficult. we want to make sure you don't just get by but you can get ahead and thrive. >> we've been listening to governor tim walz. tim miller is here, also joining us washington bureau chief april ryan is back. she's the author of the book "black men will save the world amen." and with the harris rally coming up in a few minutes my friend and colleague mike memole. we came on the air with kamala harris' event with governor whitmer. we'd been on the air since she landed in pittsburgh.

she's on her way. she's probably in the building in which you are standing. governor walz in milwaukee. just the -- i mean this is what campaigns look like on labor day. it has to be stated that trump's hunkering down in mar-a-lago while his vp is getting booed at events that i saw last week, that in and of itself is an unbelievable contrast in the state of these two campaigns. >> yeah, nicole, it really is striking. while we've seen union leaders make a clear show of support of the democratic ticket, it was the biden campaign, now the harris campaign, throughout this campaign you had this question of did the rank and file union members align with their leadership, and the trump campaign has been somewhat strategic throughout the course of the last year in trying to make a play for some of those

union voters, the teamsters in particular the former president said, yeah, the leader may be for biden, but i'm going for the rank and file. to see trump -- or frankly to not see donald trump on the campaign trail seems like a real unforced error. if you want to stand up for labor you show up on the lainer day. that's the mission. you contrast that with what we see from the harris campaign, which is a very inintentional rollout for the first time with a new formulation with harris at the top of the ticket and biden no longer on it, is the president and the vice president as a ticket showing up for a campaign event here. nicole, my history with president biden in this city on this day in particular goes back a long way. 2008 i was with then senator biden when he made his first solo campaign appearance as barack obama's new running mate, and it was here in pittsburgh. he came back in 2009. he back in 2015 when he was

thinking of running for president in '16. he came back in '16 with tim kaine who'd just been minted as vice president for clinton. this is yet another important passing of the torch moment for biden to harris, and we're going to see him do what democrats feel he's always done so well, and one of the reasons he's got such a great depth of support for so many democrats, acting as a validator for someone else. being able to sigh harris gets you all these years. so an important opportunity to see this ticket together -- this former ticket together since harris is now at the top of it. >> and mike, no mistake that this is their first joint campaign appearance, i assume. >> reporter: no, that's absolutely right. i was talking with a senior harris campaign advisor and laying out what i just did to

you with that long history biden has with pittsburgh. and they said, yeah, it's almost as if we planned it this way. he was bluntly saying you're stating the obvious, mike. this is why we're doing. and also a preview of what we're going to see from the president. we haven't seen him on the campaign trail since he announced he wasn't running. he gave that quite emotional address at the democratic national convention, and then he has been spending quite a bit of time with his family on vacation for the last few weeks. part of that as the presidency, it was a working vacation. we've seen the perfect encapsulation what this is going to look like for president biden moving forward. in pennsylvania later this week talking about the economy and his legislative accomplishments in wisconsin and michigan. those three states have always bip and will continue to be the most critical to assemblying the

path. those are states where president biden does still have pockets of support especially with senior voters and union voters, and this is also something of a kick off for that effort that the white house says will be a very determined and busy one for the president through these last nine weeks of the campaign. >> tim miller, you are like human truth serum. tell me how you see the state of the race today. >> well, look, i think the harris-walz campaign has a small lead, and that is the complete inverse of where we were at the 4th of july. so for using our summer holidays, it has been a dramatic turn from thas barbecue to this one, to labor day. but it's not an insurmountable lead. and i think they've got to continue to do better with some of these voters that are here at

these events today. right, i mean, look, the traditional obama/trump voter is a working class voter. some leaders have stuck to the democrats while some of the rank and file have defected. it is very amusing -- that was not the whole point of the j.d. vance pick, but it is amusic to see the contrast of trump i don't know who knows watching news max or whatever it is he's doing today. and i think tim walz, if i'm going to be the human truth serum i should be truthful about myself. i was just slightly skeptical -- not anti- but slightly skeptical the value of walz as vp compare today the other people she was looking at. and just watching that speech in the lead in, i mean today is why the tim walz pick is valuable. that speech we saw 5 minutes ago

just shows what haze value is to this ticket. kamala harris coming from the bay area, like that sort of cultural soup that she is swimming in, her own political career is different than the political soup working class white voters -- let's be honest wusk is a white state, so is pennsylvania, a lot of them labor folks. it is a little different than kind of what their experience is. and i think just tim walz can speak to that so authentically, passionately. and it's genuine in the way he's reaching out to working class voters. so, again, you're not going to win back all the obama-trump voters, but if they can get those margins up in rural pennsylvania, in the excerpts of these places, green bay, some of these smaller cities. if they can get the margins because they're doing better with working class folks because of working issues and also

because of abortion, i think that's going to be the ticket to victory. >> i was -- i was skeptical. i didn't know much about tim walz, but i remember saying i think i was on john heilemann's podcast. you know, i trust kamala harris to pick who she thinks she needs. this is what tim walz said. their plan amounts to, quote, how to screw the working people. i mean he just bottoms line things in a way you didn't have to watch the whole rally. you'll see that clip i am sure on tiktok and social media no matter who you are or what your algorithm feeds you. >> you know, nicolle, he is a plain spoking man. he's not into those thus, thou, art, where thou art is. like my friend john madison used to say put it where they can get it and they sure got it.

they said, look, the person has to be someone that people can gravitate to, people from all walks of life, and that is the piece about walz that we gravitated to. he talked about his mother, how his mother is on federal assistance and how she uses that to pay her bills. he resonated with other people. he resonated with not only the elderly but people who are the underserved, if you will, or people who are looking to the future. what am i going to have to deal with when i'm retirement age, et cetera. and then also going back to that piece you put in to donald trump, talking about how he really doesn't care about the average worker. let's think about when donald trump had many of these lawsuits, and he kept litigation going on a lot of these contractors who went out of business because he didn't pay them. this is fact that i think tim walz should expound upon when he gives those issues especially on this day, labor day where we

celebrate the nation's work force. >> tim, there is something fraying -- i won't say, you know, going away completely, but there is something fraying. we were talking about in the last hour in 2015 and '16 when you were in the jeb bush campaign, trump's celebrity and wealth were a novelty. they now feel a liability, they feel icy. what do you make of harris and walz not slamming him but saying he can't get you. he can't fight the way you want him to. >> he's fake rich so in a weird way he's pretending to be honest about hiss wealth but lying about it, let's put that aside. i think that did help him in the 2016 frimaer. i think in some ways the

democrats got a little bit away from things that worked for them in 2012, thinking about mitt romney. and there was a concerted effort by the obama campaign then to say they care about the working class. that is going to be their focus. mitt romney cares about people like himself. just speaking politically, that worked. right, that's bread and butter democratic campaign politics. and because donald trump's so weird and cruel and horrible, you know, there are like so many things you can criticize him for that in a lot of ways i think some of the other democratic campaigns had gotten away from that particularly in 2016 in the general election. and i think that -- i've been intrigued to see in particular since the switch to harris-walz, they've been going right back at that kind of core economic message, and yes attacking trump for being a criminal, yes, attacking him for being cruel,

but really focusing in on the pall peace problems and how he cares about people like them. tim walz mentions that one video at mar-a-lago talking about giving his rich buddies tax cuts. it's this traditional democratic campaign attack against a very untraditional candidate. and i think it works, actually. >> yeah, april, you also have really concerted, strategic, clear articulations of project 2025. i think taraji p. henson may have started it, pushing project 2025 into a general discussion. but even a union worker i think mentioned it twice that it's in the plan. tim walz mentioned project 2025 twice. it's in there. child labor is in there. and you might as well call it how to screw working people. i mean they are holding trump's feet to the flame of what he plans to do in a way that wasn't really available to anyone before this blueprint was out there. and now everybody knows what

project 2025 is and harris and walz and all their surrogates are really putting all the meat on the bones. >> and that's one of reasons why donald trump is so desperate right now because what was secret is now made public, and he's distanced himself. he still has not embraced it of yet, but trust and believe this is where they're trying to go. we've already seen some of this, nicolle, in the last presidency of donald trump. before he left he cut a lot of jobs and did not -- i'm talk about the government jobs in administration. cut a lot of jobs and i remember the hud secretary and over hhs, they were looking to fill thousands of jobs because donald trump cut those jobs with a loyalty test, if you will. and he's done it before, and this is part of the plan to do it again. we've seen it before, and trust and believe he will do it. even there are whispers he is not even embracing, this is part of their plan if they are

elected as the next administration, the 47th president of the united states. >> it sure is. tim miller, i meant it as a compliment to call you human truth serum. >> i love it. >> i love it, too. you just say it, i love it. i love it. thank you for saying and watching that speech with us. when we come back, a global outpouring of grief over the murders of six israeli hostages including one israeli american held by hamas. that grief turning to anger and spilling into the streets of tel aviv. what the biden administration is doing right to help bring an end to the answer the remaining hostages safely. plus the struggling ex-president is struggling mightily over an issue of his own making and one driven vote toorz the polls in state after state after state to vote against him and republicans. how donald trump just can't seem to find the right answer politically now on the issue of

preproductive rights. we will, of course, bring that to you live as soon as it begins. deadline white house continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere. ouse continues after a quick break. don't go anywhere.

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are you planning to present a final hostage deal for both sides this week? >> we're very close to that. >> what makes you think this deal will be successful in a way the other deals were not? >> hope springs eternal. >> mr. president, do you think it's time for prime minister netanyahu to do more on this issue? do you think he's doing enough? >> no.

>> that was president joe biden earlier today on efforts to secure a hostage deal between israel and hamas. the comments came ahead of a meeting with the u.s. hostage deal negotiation team following the murder of israeli american hostage hersh goldberg-polin and four others over the weekend. it's led to protests in israel where crowds have taken to the streets to demand a cease file deal and the release of all hostages. the israeli defense forces say the bodies of the hostages were found in a tunnel under the city of rafah, and that they were shot shortly before the soldiers reached them. thousands of mourners gathered today in jerusalem for the funeral of hersh, including his parents, who have campaigned tirelessly for the release of their son.

here's what they said to say. >> for 330 days, mama and i sought the proverbial stone that we could turn over to save you. maybe, just maybe, your death is the stone, the fuel that will bring home the remaining 101 hostages. >> i am honest and i say it's not that hersh was perfect. but he was the perfect son for me. and i am so grateful to god for 23 years i was privileged to have the most stunning honor to be hersh's mama. >> it's hard to watch. joining our conversation, former deputy national security adviser under president barack obama, ben rhodes is here. mike memoli is also here. ben, these parents shared their grief. they spoke at the democratic convention. they worked with politicians on both sides of the aisle in this

country and around the world and days ago, yesterday, they got the worst news possible about their son. >> yeah, it's unimaginable the loss they feel. and it's a reminder of the humanity at the center of this conflict. it's been grinding on since october 7th, almost a year now. what strikes when you hear the voices of those parents is that they're individual human beings, individual stories that are at the center of all this. and individual people that are suffering. as this does grind on. i think the other thing that's been noteworthy, of course, is the activism of these families. they've been very prominent in israeli politics and in israeli media trying to keep the attention on the plight of the hostages and they've been very outspoken in their belief that prime minister netanyahu needs to adjust his position in order to get that kind of deal that can bring back dozens of hostages hopefully. so you heard in their grief that they're not giving up on that. it's so striking to hear the father continue to raise the

cause of the remaining hostages. just shows you how profoundly connected these families have become through this period of activism on behalf of their loved ones. >> mike, this was kamala harris' statement yesterday, quote, hamas is an evil terrorist organization. with these murders, hamas has even more american blood on its hands. i strongly condemn hamas' continued brutality and so must the entire world. it was her nominating convention that we met this family, a lot of us knew them, their story, knew of their son, hersh, and their efforts to free him. she has been so lock step with president biden and i wonder how sort of the vision of labor and how much his ability to sort of focus and to see this the same way she does frees her up or how that dynamic and partnership works. >> well, we've seen politically the ways in which this issue of president biden and his steadfast support for israel was such a drag on him politically for a long period of time.

especially in a state like michigan where every vote is critical. but he has taken every effort he can to put the work in to get this done and with all the focus of the last few months politically, the political turbulence we've been through from president biden's debate to the drama about whether he would stay on the ticket to the attempted assassination of donald trump and ultimately the change in the democratic ticket. what has gotten lost is the intense amount of diplomacy, of hard work this administration has been putting in. not just at the level of president biden and vice president harris who's been involved in making calls, but we see it in brent mcgirk, jake sullivan and john finer in the national security council. there has been so much work that

has been done to try to bring a deal to the table. you can always sense the impatience on the part of biden administration officials with prime minister netanyahu. but they've also been careful to say this is not entirely on him. that hamas is no easy partner to work with here. there is a sense that now with the campaign burden lifted of him, that president biden has more time to invest in this, but it's really when you talk to officials about the time allocation prior and now since his decision to withdraw from the race, they don't actually think there's that much more time he can give to this because it has been such a central focus of him, but i also think it is worth highlighting as you have just done, the ways in which vice president harris has continued to put the pressure on hamas in this situation. i think one of the most fascinating parts of her convention speech was the time she spent on foreign policy. typically not an issue you hear about in a convention speech,

and so much of her strong rhetoric directed at hamas, but also in terms of broader threats of the region, iran. this is somebody who has watched president biden up closely and has learned from him to supplement her own experience in this field as a member of the intelligence committee and i think you're going to continue to see both of them put a lot of time on this in the remaining time they have left in office. >> you know, ben, she used the word, lethal. she talked about the role of the commander in chief overseeing the world's most lethal military. i actually thought that night, the fourth night of the democratic convention, it featured speeches from adam kinzinger and others. i thought it was a comprehensive narrative to impugn donald trump to ever serve as commander in

chief, to pass the commander in chief bar. and mike's right. voters usually have domestic issues front and center, but she has sort of sat in the situation room, fox news seemed so flummoxed by it. janine piro scolding him and sort of scolding him in whatever weird dynamic that is. but i wonder where you put foreign policy and the brutal war in ukraine and the brutal and savage murder of six hostages by hamas and her strength that she's articulated as a candidate in her convention speech and in yesterday. how important do you think that is for her candidacy? >> i think it's really important both because of the issues themselves but also because of the broader contrast that it makes between her and trump. you know, you mentioned that last night at the convention. they did something they've been doing on other issues which they draw the comparison in part by just putting forward her own

experience and vision. she's someone who's been in the situation room doing the work. someone who is values based instead of someone who cozies up to dictators. she values the u.s. military and having a mission above and beyond politics. obviously a contrast trump himself makes when he gets into fights and has campaign rallies at arlington cemetery, right. so they've been drawing a contrast that is about the kind of leadership she'd bring to issues and on ukraine, there's a clear contrast obviously with donald trump's willingness to quote do whatever the hell it wants to nato member states. it's also about the kind of leader she is versus the kind he is. she threaded the needle carefully on gaza in expressing support for israel's right to defend itself against hamas but also expressing a sense of solidarity with palestinians and the suffering they've been through. so she's trying to hold together the democratic coalition on this specific issue. but i think more broadly, she's just trying to model a form of behavior, a temperament and a set of values that is implicit and explicit contrast to donald trump.

>> so amazing how simple the contrast can be made. how simply the point can be made. you're right. thank you both for spending time with us on this. when we come back, donald trump's increasingly awkward and painful contortions on an issue he made much worse for all women in america. all families in america. access to abortion healthcare. that story's next. but shingrix protects. only shingrix is proven over 90% effective. shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients or to a previous dose. an increased risk of guillain-barré syndrome was observed after getting shingrix. fainting can also happen. the most common side effects are pain, redness, and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, tiredness, headache,

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in florida, the state you are a resident of, there's an abortion related amendment on the ballot to overturn the 6-week ban in florida. how are you going to vote on that? >> well, i think the six week is too short. it has to be more time. and i've told them that i'm in favor of more weeks. >> so you'll vote in favor of the amendment? >> i'm voting that we need more than six weeks. >> voting yes or no on amendment in florida? >> i think you need more time than six weeks. i've disagreed from that right from the early primaries. at the same time, the democrats are radical because the nine months is a ridiculous situation so i'll be voting no for that reason. >> how many times can a

flip-flop flip before a flip-flop flip or however that goes. i don't know if that's a flip-flop anymore. maybe like a pretzel, soft one, squishy one. whatever you want to call it. that's donald trump. in year nine as the leader of what was once the republican party. now more like a maga movement. still out loud and before the cameras trying to figure out just what his position really is on the issue of abortion but it is a fact that he appointed the justices who overturned roe v. wade, a fact he can't run from. with that last answer from trump, he's going to vote no on florida's amendment four. he's confirmed from a draconian six-week abortion ban is good enough for him to support. joining our coverage president for reproductive freedom, mini.

april is back with us. some of what has benefitted trump is the fog machine, the blur. i think it's important that he not be allowed to say whatever. the truth is he's the reason american women are now dying of sepsis in public bathrooms, the reason women are infertile because they can't access basic reproductive health care. he's the reason men and women who are physicians have backup plans in case they're arrested for providing health care for women. he's the reason why republicans are struggling in so many elections. what do you want to see happen with this latest rhetorical mishmash from him? >> you know, i think what we've seen over the last few years has been an effort on our side to really define donald trump on this issue. since he picked jd vance, the definition has just gotten clearer. you've gotten two incredibly

misogynistic, anti-women candidates on the ticket. one of the refreshing things about the coverage of the last 72 hours has been our clear eyed our friends in the press, activists, candidates, the harris-walz campaign has been about making it very explicit that the message stays the same. donald trump will say and do anything to distract from his record on reproductive freedom. what you can trust are the facts as you just laid out. he appointed the justices. he is responsible for this crisis and not only that, he's bragged about it and wants to punish women and doctors. that seems to be coming up clearly with voters. there's a new "the new york times" piece or poll about how women under 45 are picking abortion now as their top issue even over the economy. and that there's a 20-point margin of favorability for harris over trump on abortion. >> april, i feel like some of what the media got wrong with trump was looking at trump as a politician in a time capsule. i had fred trump on today and

trump describing the men and women who died in service of the nation as service and losers wasn't a blip. it was part of a long line that started with a podiatrist writing him a bs note saying he had bone spurs so he didn't have to serve this country. his views on overturning roe aren't a blip either. they're part of grab women in the "p" word because when you're famous, they, quote, let you do it. it's a feature of who donald trump is. >> so, yeah. donald trump right now is in the kitchen cooking spaghetti, taking the noodles out and throwing them up against the wall to see which one sticks and that's the problem. he is desperate right now and this abortion battle, he is losing. he was losing when roe v. wade was overturned and he said he did that. he was losing at that time and he continues to lose even more so. and, nicolle, if we look at the polling and also the numbers of -- the numbers of women who

are historically registering to vote in this election process, looking at the numbers of women who are running -- particularly black women who are running to kamala harris, abortion is that issue that the democrats have that's that number one issue that they can rely on that donald trump is failing on. so the american public -- and we have gone through this over the last two years or so. the american public has said that they should not be tampering with the historic abortion issue. now states are dealing with it, and it's creating havoc all over the place. and as you said there are women going through sepsis, being traumatized physically because doctors cannot operate them as they're miscarrying because of laws and they're scared to go to court. but donald trump is at the center of this. and all the things that he has said about abortion rights and how woman should carry their child or not carry their child.

>> mini, one of the conversations you and i have been having for years now is about bringing everyone in. and you see this reflected in how vice president harris talks about this issue, both as president biden's point person and now as the nominee of her party. that if you think abortion doesn't affect you because you're a man or not interested in having kids, you're wrong. this world view, this trump-vance project 2025 world view will come for everyone eventually. maybe it isn't abortion but they're coming for ivf. maybe it isn't abortion or ivf but birth control. maybe it isn't either of those, but it's a way of making clear that it isn't just about a single procedure. it's about a second class of

humans that includes all women and i wonder what you think about sort of taking this message and broadening it? >> yeah. i think it's a really smart point. look, we now know that we can't win these elections without independents and republicans crossing over and we've seen in every state where we've had abortion related ballot referendum that we have that happening. number one, i think voters, not just women, but also men, are seeing the consequences of these bans not just on contraception and ivf, but in states like georgia, you're seeing entire swaths of the state where there are no obgyns to serve the general population. you're seeing healthcare deserts. you're seeing doctors leaving states. you're seeing students choose states not to go to college because of abortion bans and i also think it's interesting now is that donald trump can't be trusted and that he is beholden to his base. he's made a deal with these evangelicals. he cannot wriggle out of it so when he tries to wriggle out of project 2025, we can point to this last 42 hours, 72 hours of interaction. you know, he came out and tried to fudge on florida. they came right after him and he flip-flopped right back.

so they got him in their grasp. no matter what you think of donald trump, he's beholden to the extreme elements of his party. >> you're so right. what's amazing about that, mini, they own him on this issue but also just how weak he is, that he wanted to get away with straying from him, but they own him. i you you guys to stick around. we're getting our first pictures of kamala harris and joe biden campaigning together for the very first time in that union hall in pittsburgh. i'm going to ask you guys to stick around. we'll talk about it on the other side of the break. side of the b.

we're back with mini and april. so, april, i don't know if you can see it, but we have a live picture up of president joe biden, vice president kamala harris. they're outside this union hall where they're going to make their first joint campaign appearance, and this is a relationship that really i think sort of came into full view around these very painful weeks of president joe biden's deliberations about what to do, and that really moving first campaign stop she made to the wilmington high quarters where they said they loved each other and their families loved each other. what do you make of this dynamic will play out over the campaign trail the next 60 days? >> well, he's respected her as vice president. and as you said over the last month or so when he made that

painful decision, and she was in on that decision as he was making it, you know, they became closer. and only these two can understand this moment in time. and for this president, joe biden, to be in his home state, a kid from scranton, pennsylvania, and see this crowd, it's a majority white crowd, he is sending a message to them i am anointing her to be the next president of the united states. it is beyond the words at the oval office, beyond the words of the dnc. he is there hugging her arm in arm. look at them smiling and touching. this is important moment for her. and it's not just for pennsylvania. it's not just for all of those battleground states. but this is an optic that everyone will see. and it makes a difference a see

this. >> she stood by him. she never questioned his ability to run and prevail in november. this dynamic in politics can't be manufactured. this is true partnership and a true friendship, and they both seem to be sort of reaping the benefits of what is a very genuine friendship between the two families. >> i'm sorry, let me bring in mini for her reaction. >> sorry, april. i was just going to say, look, i mean she stood with him to the very end. it was so critical. you know, he talks about her

relationship with beau. so many of us know president biden as this transformational intergenerational leader, right? he came on board to support barack obama, really helping in the way that april said, you know, create credibility and like tell middle-class, working-class white americans i know this guy, i trust this guy. same thing with kamala harris. and i just want to note, the most pro-labor president we've seen in a very long time. so labor loves joe biden. kamala harris today is really important. >> mini and april, i could talk to you for the whole two hours. we'll do that sometime. thank you for spending time with us on this labor day. it's great to see both of you. we're going to continue to watch that campaign event in pittsburgh with the president and vice president. we need to squeeze in one more break. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. instantly adapts. sleep better. live purple. right now, save up to $1,000 during our labor day sale. visit purple.com or a store near you.

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