kick off speech, gun reforms, red flag laws, assault weapons bans, i think it's totally appropriate for her to do so, it's good policy and good politics. i think that you can be even more aggressive and make emotional appeals that get to people's hearts about why this has to change. i think about the shooter that nearly assassinated donald trump, and based on the video earlier, it seems like students knew them. they very well might be under 21. the idea that an under 21-year-old can carry a weapon outside in the public and cannot carry a white claw is absurd, that they can go in and buy bullets is absurd, it's an 85% issue against that.

and i think with all the horrible shootings we have had, and the murders we have had, where the shooter fits the same profile, i think it's incumbent upon people who want reforms to wage a very aggressive campaign to convince people at minimum to make it much much harder to get people under 21 to get guns. >> tim, garrett, yamiche, thanks to all of you. that's going to do it for us this hour. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. good to be with you, i'm katy tur. vice president kamala harris is about to talk to voters in new hampshire. she is scheduled to roll out new economic proposals aimed at small businesses and entrepreneurs, but we expect or at least we imagine that she will start with the latest school shooting. at least four are dead and nine are injured after a teenager open fired inside apalachee high school before noon this morning. the suspect is alive and under

arrest. the identities and ages of the victims, though, are still unknown. here's one student who described what happened to her. >> i was crying. i didn't want to die that way. i don't really want to meet the lord that way. some kids were telling others to stop crying because it was probably scaring them. it was really scary. he was just a kid, he was just a quiet kid that sat in the back of the classroom, you know, and really knew who he was. >> nbc news has not identified the shooter. joining us now, nbc national law enforcement and intelligence correspondent tom winter. what is the latest? >> the latest, as you reported, this individual is believed to be alive. they have been identified as a teenager to us. we don't know yet whether or not they have any sort of nexus or connection to the school. did they go there, were they a

student who had some sort of connection through a family member or relative who may have gone there or did they just go after the school for another reason entirely, which gets us to our next point, which is the question of motive. that's something we're still trying to determine as well. there's some bits of conflicting information in law enforcement circles throughout the day about the suspect and individual, so that's the reason why we're not going with more detail at this time. we have not yet heard a name. but, again, the individual is alive. there's a bit of a question as to whether or not they had an identification which might point us to the direction, you know, of a teenager. could be 13, could be 19. points us a little bit to the direction of the age of the person, under the age of 16 is more likely because they did not have that identification. and as we've seen with other mass shootings, for instance, the shooting in newtown, connecticut, adam lanza had his brother's information on it. there was additional information about a name that was not correct. that's the reason for caution on

the identity of the suspect. to your point, we're look at four dead, nine injured. i suspect that injured total might bump up a little bit. that's because of the students certainly heeded the warnings and the training they have unfortunately and unlikely been through. the first step of that being running away from the sounds of gunfire or the shooting. so it's typical that individuals run out of the school, and injuries happen there in a stampede type fashion. the investigation ongoing, trying to see whether or not the suspect is talking to police. that might be helpful as to why this happened. once again, it has happened, katy. >> tom winter, thank you very much. joining us now, march for our lives cofounder, and former student at marjorie stoneman douglas high school david hogg. i'm sorry that this is what we always call you about. come on, there's been another school shooting, and it happens so frequently that you have become well known to this

network, our viewers, voters in this country, and people around the world. are you surprised that there aren't people marching in the streets? the number of people who want gun control outnumber the number of people who do not. big numbers. are you surprising there are not marches in the streets after shootings like this all across this country? >> i mean, there can be, and there have been. march for our lives, when it happened after parkland was the largest protest in american history at the time. we had 4,000 high schools, elementary schools and middle school, and some home schools walk out demanding action on gun violence, and millions of young people marched with us around the country. this work just takes a horrifyingly volume amount of time. in 2018 we thought we could go out there, young people could raise their voices, and we could get real change. we have some seen change. clearly it's not enough.

and frankly, the movement we have built is still failing. because unfortunately i am still talking to you right now, and what it's going to require is something much bigger than any one organization or person. it's going to require all of us. every single american standing up and doing what we need to do to address this in our schools. not just school shootings, but daily gun violence that happens disproportionately, and black and brown students that never got the attention or resources that parkland got. our leaders are failing us, and we have to do so much more. >> that is what i'm talking about. i appreciate what you say about the number of schools that came out, the millions of students, that is impressive. i'm wondering if you're surprised because i sort of am, why there aren't more americans, parents coming out in cities across this country in less of a structured way after this happens. we see these large scale protests in other places against

things that are happening there. i know we're a large country, but given that we are seeing kids die so frequently in schools, we're seeing individuals die in supermarkets on splash pads, at parades, in banks, in churches in synagogues at new year's day celebrations, i mean, the list goes on and on. every single place you go to in your daily life has now been touched by gun violence or a mass shooting. not just the daily gun violence or a mass shooting. movie theaters even. given that, and given the way we live with fear of going outside of our house, every one of us now, because of a person with a gun, are you surprised there is not more of an organic explosion of outrage across this country? >> i think it's time for more. i think the problem is people become numb. it's not that they don't care.

it's that this happens so often, and people start to develop their own, you know, protection mechanism, to think this can't happen in my community. parkland was one of the safest communities in florida, one of the safest in the united states, and we had one of the largest school shooting, happen there. if you don't think it can ham to you, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. it is the leading cause of death for young people in our country. it is the leading cause of death of future of our country, and it's time for young people and old people and everybody else to stand up and stop waiting for somebody to tell them what to do, and start telling themselves what to do. show up at your school board and ask, what are we doing to make sure kids are safe in the school. and showing up at the state legislature to demand they change gun laws. after parkland, people said we weren't change anything, we were a bunch of stupid kids and the

lot of people on the news said it's great they care but nothing is going to change. but work of fred gutenberg, and manny oliver, and young people that showed up and said you need to do something. we pass add red flag law. >> hold on one sec -- i want to back to you. i have to go to vice president kamala harris. she's addressing the shooter. don't go anywhere. >> there were multiple fatalities and injuries, and you know, our hearts are with the students, teachers, and families, of course, and we are grateful to the first responders and law enforcement that were on the scene, but this is just a senseless tragedy. on top of so many senseless tragedies, and it's just outrageous, that every day in our country in the united states of america that parents have to send their children to school

worried about whether or not their child will come home alive. it's senseless. we've got to stop it. and we have to end this epidemic of gun violence in our country once and for all. you know, it doesn't have to be this way. it doesn't have to be this way. so we will continue, of course, to send our prayers and our thoughts to families and all those who were affected, including, you know, i'm going off script right now, but listen, i mean, you know, last year i started a college tour, and i traveled our country meeting with our young leaders. so it was college-aged young leaders, trade schools, colleges, universities. by the way, i love gen z, i just love gen z. all right. i'll tell you, one of the things that i asked every time i went to the auditorium, and it would

be filled with these young leaders, students, and i'd ask them, raise your hand if at any point between kindergarten and 12th grade you had to endure an active shooter drill. and for the young leaders who are here who are raising your hand, i'm telling you, every time the auditorium was packed, and almost every hand went up. i'll speak about myself, i grew up in california, we had earthquake drills. we had fire drills. but our kids are sitting in a classroom where they should be fulfilling their god given potential, and some part of their big beautiful brain is concern about a shooter busting through the door of the classroom. it does not have to be this way. it does not have to be this way. and, you know, this is one of the many issues that's at sake

in this election. new hampshire, look, we have 62 days to go. 62 days to go. and i'm going to tell you what you already know. this race is going to be tight until the very end. so please let's not pay too much attention to the polls. because we are running as the underdog. we know what they're capable of on the other side. the only thing we can take for granted is the love that we as americans have for each other knowing we have so much more in common that what separates us. and we've got some hard work ahead, but we like hard work. hard work is good work. hard work can be joyful work, and so we are up for the task, and with your help, we will win in november. we will win in november.

and that, in large part, is because we know what we stand for, and when you know what you stand for, you know what to fight for. we love our country, and we believe in the promise of america. that's so much of what i think brings us all together this afternoon. we believe in the promise of america. and that includes a topic we're going to discuss today, which is what i call an opportunity economy. building an opportunity economy. and my vision of an opportunity economy is one where everyone can compete and have a real chance to succeed, where everyone, regardless of who they are, where they start, can build wealth, including intergenerational wealth, where

workers are treated with dignity, everyone has the freedom to join a union if they choose. where we remove barriers to opportunities. anyone who wants to start a business can have access to the tools and the resources they need to do that. i believe, and i said it before to nicole, i believe america's small businesses are an essential foundation to our entire economy. think about it. think about it. small businesses in our country employ half of all private sector workers. half of all private sector workers own or run a small business or work for a simultaneous business. they do trillions of dollars of business every year. they generate revenue that helps repair roads and pay our teachers, and you know, for all of those who are or know of

small business owners, the thing i love about you is that you're not only leaders in business, you are civic leaders. you are community leaders. you are mentors. you hire locally. you believe in the community and you're part of the glue of the fabric that holds communities together. you provide the local meeting space. you are the types of folks where you know who your regulars are, and when someone is walking in the door and you can tell them they've had a bad day, you know exactly what they need. isn't that the best of who we are? isn't that the best of who we are? and i've met so many entrepreneurs across the country who take the incredible leap of faith that's required to start a maul business. folks who put their life savings on the line, and work through the weekends and holidays, because they aren't just

building a business. they're pursuing a dream. they're building a better future for their employees and for the people they love and their communities. and by extension, they're building a stronger middle class and a stronger america for us all. and so all of this is why i as president, one of my highest priorities will be to strengthen america's small businesses, and here i am in new hampshire to announce a few elements of my plan to do that. [ applause ] first we're going to help more small businesses and innovators get off the ground. i'm setting what some will call a very ambitious goal, but i think we should admire ambition in each other.

so i want to see 25 million new small business applications by the end of my first term. and to help achieve this, we will lower the cost of starting a new business. here's the thing, on average, it costs about $40,000 to start a new business in america. that is a great financial barrier for a lot of folks. and it can hold entrepreneurs back. and the current tax deduction for a start up is just $5,000. so then you've got to make up the delta there. figure out how you're going to do that. not everyone has access to that kind of wealth and capital. so part of my plan is we will expand the tax deduction for start-ups to $50,000.

it's essentially a tax cut for starting a small business. second, my plan will help existing small businesses grow. we will provide low and no interest loans to small businesses that want to expand and this is very important, we will cut the red tape that can make starting and growing a small business more difficult than it needs to be. more difficult than it needs to be. [ applause ] for example, we will make it cheaper and easier for small businesses to file their taxes. similar to how individuals can take a standard deduction. you know, i said to my family, kind of like i'm going to date myself again because they no longer do it, but kind of like the 1040 easy, that kind of idea. let's take away some of the

bureaucracy of the process. third, my plan will invest in small businesses and innovators throughout the america. and here's why. we know that talentists everywhere in our country from rural towns to city centers. not everyone has access to the financing or venture capital or expert advice. it's not that they don't have the skills. it's not that they don't have the work ethic, it's access to these resources. so under my plan we will expand access to venture capital. we will support business innovations and business incubators and increase federal contracts are small businesses.

and [ applause ] we will have a particular focus on small businesses in rural communities like right here in new hampshire. finally, my plan will make our tax code more fair while also prioritizing investment and innovation. so let us be clear. billionaires and big corporations must pay their fair share in taxes. [ cheers and applause ] because here's the thing. it's just not right that those who can most afford it are often paying a tax rate than our teachers and our nurses and our firefighters. it's just not right. it's just not right. so that's why i support a billionaire minimum tax and

corporations paying their fair share. and while we ensure that the wealthy and big corporations pay their fair share, we will tax capital gains at a rate that rewards investment in america's innovators, founders and small businesses. so here's the detail. if you earn a million dollars a year or more, the tax rate on your long-term capital gains will be 28% under my plan because we know when the government encourages investment it leads to broad-based economic growth, and it creates jobs, which makes our economy stronger. [ cheers and applause ] now compare that to what donald trump plans he intends to cut off federal programs that give loans to small businesses.

[ crowd booing ] >> he plans to give billionaires massive tax cuts and to cut corporate taxes by a trillion dollars even as they pull in record profits. his plans will add more than $5 trillion to the national debt, and that is on top of the $2 trillion tax cut he gave them when he was presidential and when he exploded the deficit. we know how to count. we know how to count. and now he wants to impose what in effect is a national sales tax on every day products and basic necessities, which will skyrocket the cost for families and small businesses. new hampshire, on top of all of this, if donald trump were to win in november, he intends to end the affordable care act.

which would significantly increase costs on small businesses, as we know. you know what, the courts are going to handle that, and we will handle november. how about that. that's how we'll handle that. how about that. but think about it. it wants to end the affordable care act. taking us back to a time when insurance companies could deny people with preexisting conditions. you remember what that was? children with asthma, breast cancer survivors, grandparents with diabetes. so, yeah, look, we are here to tell him and them, we are not going back [ cheers and applause ] we're not going back. >>. [ chanting we're not going back ]

no, we are not, and we will move forward because ours is a fight for the future. and it is a fight for freedom. and it is a fight for freedom. i don't have to tell the folks of new hampshire, the live free or die state, you know the importance of individual freedoms, fundamental freedoms. you know how hard people fought for these freedoms and they are foundational to who we are, and what we stand for as america, including the fundamental freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government telling her what to do. and i understand how we got here, and of course we're not

going to fall for the gaslight when he's pushing, right? when he was president, donald trump hand picked three members of the united states supreme court with the intention that they would undo the protections of roe v. wade. and as he intended, they did. and now in more than 20 states in our nation, there is a trump abortion ban. many with no exceptions for rape and incest, which is immoral, immoral. and let us agree, and i know we do, one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government should not be telling her what to do with her body [ cheers and applause ]

and if he wins, if he wins, you can be sure donald trump will go further. and he will sign a national abortion ban. and, you know, project 2025, which i just -- [ crowd booing ] i mean, can you believe they put that thing in writing. and under project 2025, he would create a national anti-abortion coordinator. which would force states -- this is unbelievable, right? which would force states to report on women's miscarriages and abortions. you know what they are making really quite clear, they just don't trust women. they just don't trust women. but we trust women. we trust women.

and when congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom as president of the united states, i will proudly sign it into law. [ cheers and applause ] across our nation -- [ chanting kamala ] >> across our nation, and i have been traveling for many many years, actually, and certainly months, most recently, across our nation -- >> that's kamala harris, the vice president speaking in new hampshire laying out a new economic agenda, talking a lot about taxes and trying to incentivize opening new businesses in this country. and we're going to get to the details of that economic plan in a moment, but i want to go back to what we began this hour with, and that is the school shooting in georgia. she did address it at the top of her remarks there.

she said it's another tragedy on top of countless tragedies, it was outrageous and senseless and has to be stopped, and she talked about generation z. she said she loves generation z because they come out and speak their minds. david hogg is with us still. i'm going to give you polling on nbc news from gen z. is the united states on the right track or headed in the wrong direction? 67% of gen zers say wrong direction. think ahead to the 2024 presidential election, are you almost certain you would vote? and almost certain that you will vote, 55%. that's a big number. the possibility of gun violence, how concerned about that are you, 85% said they're really concerned, and finally, do you expect life for your generation to be better or worse than the previous generation.

48% said worse. the gun stuff is a big deal. it's a big deal to your generation, in particular. because your generation has borne so much of the brunt of this. when do you expect your generation will become a powerful enough voting bloc to force the issue? >> i think we're already starting to become that. it just takes so long. and it's awful that it takes that long. gen z is voting at the highest rates of any generation in american history, at any point that a generation was between 18 and 29 year olds. they were never voting at the level gen z consistently voted in the past three elections, that's a really big deal, and certainly still not high enough. we have a lot further to go. but we are making a lot of progress, and we're not just staying on the outside either. it's important to note that the

first member of gen z in congress got started when he was 15 years old, organizing against gun violence after sandy hook. and became march for our lives national organizing director, and elected to congress, and his first bill is to create the office of nongun violence prevention. when you need to do further, and the thing that will help us the most is people taking their own initiative, asking yourself, what can you do right now to get involved. that starts out with voting, and also means showing up at your school board and state legislature to demand stronger gun laws. >> david, i have congressman ro khanna standing by, i'll ask him in a moment, i want to ask you first. if the democrats win the white house. say they win the house, and they are able to maintain their lead in the senate. that's going to be a big lift, and would mean it was a small margin if there's a margin at all, do you want the senate to

get rid of the filibuster to try to pass gun vol legs, and if so, what -- gun violence laws, and if so what? we need to make sure people like chuck schumer do that and we can't pass gun safety laws while the filibuster is in place. if we get 60 votes, they're going to say we can't pass these gun laws because the candidates are in competitive states. we can't water things down when our kids are dying, period. that's why i'm speaking to you right now. we have been failed over and over and over again. what we need to do is not only abolish the fil filibuster, if want to own a gun, you need liability insurance, and massively expand research funding into what causes gun

violence in the united states so we can have the best possibilities. >> what do you think of kamala harris on this issue? >> she's been remarkable. she has done a lot of work to make sure the money that's been allocated by the federal government is actually being spent properly, and i don't care if you're a republican or democrat or independent, we want our tax dollars to be spent the most efficient way possible. that's what the office against gun violence has done. after uvalde, everybody was saying we wouldn't change gun levels at the federal level. we did. we were able to pass the bipartisan safer communities act. it expanded background checks for people under 21. attempt to go buy a gun like the ar-15. gun violence went up 37% under donald trump's presidency. we have seen gun violence go down nearly 20% under the leadership of president biden

and vice president kamala harris. and as we obviously as today's news shows, have a lot more work to do, and what democrats need to do is not run from this issue. we have seen since 2018, this is a winning issue. the third rail of american politics is no longer guns. it's doing nothing against gun violence. >> david hogg, thank you for sticking around during the remarks of vice president. joining us now, priya sridhar, and director of the black law enforcement alliance, mark claxton, the director of safety and emergency services for a large school district in south carolina. priya, what can you tell us about the law enforcement response to this shooting? >> reporter: we did hear from the barrow county sheriff a few hours ago, and we're expecting to get an update in 30 minutes.

the first calls came in around 9:30. you saw a very significant law enforcement presence here about an hour later at around 10:30. and now we're about five hours after that, and there's still a massive law enforcement presence here. agents from local, state and federal authorities are all still on campus at this time. the georgia bureau of investigation is here conducting an investigation, and also agents from fbi atlanta's field office, i should say. we don't know too much about the shooter at this time from official sources. we know that that shooter is in custody, that they aren't alive. we don't know too much object the identity of the shooter or what a potential motive is. i can say there are many families coming to the campus right now, trying to get reunited with their students. this is a school of about 1,800 streets. they were all directed to go to the football field, which is

right next to the school where they are waiting, being questioned by authorities. parents say they formed kind of a prayer circle. i also want to mention this school is directly across from a preschool and next to a middle school. you're seeing parents with kids of all ages, from preschool to 12th grade, frantically looking for their kids trying to get reunited with them. a lot of roads were blocked off by law enforcement so there were miles and miles of vehicles that were stopped. people were parking wherever they could and setting off on foot in this heat, desperately trying to find their loved ones. >> i understand that. mark, let's talk about the law enforcement response a little bit more. what are the arguments against gun control or another assault weapons ban is that what's going to stop gun violence is a good guy with a gun, and we need to harden our school districts

against somebody who want to do harm. is it possible to harden a school? >> schools are constantly being hardened. the real question is whether or not that hardening is actually resulting in the safer environment. i think it's important to note that even with the philosophies that the only thing that stops a bad guy is a good guy with a gun, across the nation, law enforcement has been more vocal over the past several years about the need for there to be increased regulations regarding gun possession, firearm possession. >> what advice are you giving this school district? what are you implementing? >> in my school district, really there is a constant focus on

preparation, unfortunately: and it really is sad to say it, but the largest emphasis and attention goes on to the response, not necessarily the prevention because that's outside of the purview of the schools themselves. you have different school districts making sure they are increasing the education, already actual practical drills going on. you have to be mindful. there are a lot of conversation about active shooter drills. we have to be mindful about the language that cause ld additional trauma. we refer to them as lock down drills in many locations, et cetera. it's a whole deal as far as preparation, drilling, and of course use of technology to harden the locations themselves. many school districts across the nation are now using some form of metal detectors. they are utilizing cameras and

surveillance, access control is a major thing, but i think most important is the human impact and direct contact the human source has on preventing these type of violence. for example, our behavioral threat assessment teams that are in the schools throughout the nation are vitally important in order to prevent these type of events from occurring. so there has to be, and the vice president was mentioning it, about devoting resources in regards to small businesses, but there has to be in addition to that, a devotion of resources and support to our schools across the nation to ensure that they are becoming more safe, and we're more aware and more concerned about the long-term impact and effect on our children because this is really generational. those children will have children and the trauma they experienced today would be passed op. could well be passed on for

generations to come. >> when kamala harris was talking about growing up in california, i had earthquake drills and fire drills. imagining a lock down drill, an active shooter drill, my kids go to school. my son starts kindergarten tomorrow, and i hate the idea of him having to do a lock down drill, an active shooter drill. it seems so completely outrageous, and that we're trying to look for all of the solutions to stop this. get more mental health counselors, great, harden the schools, but we're not talking about the one thing that's the problem, which is the access to these weapons. that kids have. access to deadly weapons that kids have, and it just keeps happening over and over again, and it will continue to happen until we address it fully address it as a country. >> that's right. >> thank you for joining us, i appreciate it. joining us now, "punchbowl news" cofounder, jake sherman.

i want to ask you the political question here, that is is there anything to be done about this? the democrats are in congress of congress. the republicans, if they maintain control of one of the houses where the presidents say it's not going to happen, they have made their positions clear, if the democrats get ahold of things, are they willing to get rid of the filibuster, to enact change. >> kyrsten sinema and joe manchin, the opponents to getting rid of the filibuster are gone. there's been renewed hope, and we have written about this in the last couple of weeks, the hope of at least carving out some exceptions to the 60 vote rule, the filibuster that democrats have been unable or unwilling in some cases to get rid of. they have talked about that on reproductive rights, abortion rights, voting rights, and gun rightings. once you get rid of the 60 vote

threshold on some things, a lot of people will say we should ged get rid of it on other things. i don't see anything happening, anything further happening on guns because republicans have believed -- they have gone as far as they can go when it comes to restricting gun rights, and they did, to be clear, there were a lot of republicans who voted for a pretty comp hence -- comprehensive gun package earlier this congress. >> and a lot of them paid a price in their home districts or at least got censured by the republican party in their home district. i'm talking about i don't know cornyn in texas. absolutely true. that being said if say they were able to do it, what would the legislation be that was passed? an assault weapon ban? >> chuck schumer has been firm there needs to be an assault weapons ban. if you polled democratic law

enforcement -- democratic lawmakers, they would want to ban assault weapons. if you look at the reaction from republicans, mike collins of georgia represents the district, said that, you know, people -- he did send out a tweet, you know, expressing horror about what happened, but he noted some people did not die from gun injuries, they died from other reasons. without knowing the particulars here. you see this when there are gun incidents, tragic gun incidents, you see republicans twisting themselves into pretzels to say this wasn't a gun or some extenuating circumstances. >> a mentally healthy person doesn't go and take a gun and kill a bunch of people. >> right. and the issue, as you were

talking about with your last panel, katy, the issue of the availability of deadly weapons is just not something that any -- most any, i would say, 95% of house republicans want to touch politically or substantively. >> jake sherman, really good to have you, thank you. let's go to the source on this. joining us now, democratic congressman from california, ro khanna. i teased you up. i'm going to ask you the question, is it going to happen? if democrats are given the opportunity to control both houses of congress and the white house. >> yes, i mean, katy, first, just as a parent, it's heartbreaking. this is supposed to be a week where kids are going back to school. you're celebrating, getting school supplies, and it's not just devastating for the families who have lost someone at that school, this is going to be news around the country. >> it's traumatic for every student and parent in the country thinking about sending their kid off to school. >> they're robbing the joy of young people with these kind of

incidents. i mean, it's robbing the innocence of childhood. >> is it going to happen? >> look, the house has passed these things, when we had democratic control. we passed an assaults weapon ban. i'm for funding mental health counselors, funding more safety at schools, but you have to deal with the source. that's why the house passed universal background checks. if you know someone is disturbed and may misuse a weapon that you can go to a court, and a court can take that away. these are common sense things. the senate was blocking it on a filibuster. people say, what happens if the republicans get in charge. the republicans have policies that aren't polling agent 70, 80%. we have popular policies. >> on the issue of guns and the proposals for gun control, the majority of americans want that to happen. they want universal background checks. they want more safety checks

around these assault weapons. they don't want someone to go out with a bump stock and shoot up a concert. they don't want a kid who has an assault rifle that he took from his parents, whatever, walk into a school and shoot people. they want to feel safe in their grocery store. do you find it surprising that there aren't more americans in the streets at aftermath of these things organically coming out and saying enough is enough. >> david hogg has been inspiring gen z, and younger folks and we're growing momentum. it was important to point out that something did get done. this is not nihilism. background checks for people under 21. you have a situation where often the shooters are 18 to 25. why not at the very least, ban people from under 25 from having access to the weapons. let's look at common sense. i talk to a lot of republicans.

i understand the tradition of hunting. >> this is not about hunting. it's not about having a weapon to go hunting. it's about having a weapon that can kill a lot of people in a short amount of time sfl exactly. and many of them say we want to have gun safety laws because we don't want to be responsible for these kind of horrific shootings. they don't look at whether someone's kid is a republican or a democrat. it's just a black mark. it's a stain on our country, and i hope even if the republicans have the senate, i hope we can pass things to make progress. >> a lot of law enforcements say the same thing, they don't want to show up to a war like battle to someone with a bullet proof vest and ar-15 and round of ammunition at their disposal. chris murphy was getting into this, and i think you have too. which is this idea that americans right now, broadly speaking, republicans, democrats, independents, feel a bit out of control.

like they don't have control of their own destiny. they don't have control of their future. it's in the hands of a minority of voters or in the hands of corporations or big tech. they're at the mercy of everybody else. jobs have become soulless. when you look at the generation z polling numbers, do you expect your life for your generation to be better or worse than the previous generation? >> nearly 40% say they expect it to be worse. how do the democrats address that depression about the future, the frustration about not being in control any longer? >> it's sad to me. my parents are immigrants. they came here for the american dream. i had the chance, as did my brother, to win that dream.

they have good education opportunities in public schools. it's because they have health care. it's because they see all of this economic opportunity, the jobs and wealth generation, it's because they have had some opportunity to be able to get a house and live in. we've got to create that sense of economic opportunity across the country. that was why i was really pleased with vice president harris talking about an opportunity economy. allowing people to get education, health care. build wealth and be able to afford a house and afford to raise kids. that american dream has slipped away from many people in many parts of the country. >> these proposals, the tax deduction, $50,000 to start a new business. that's big deal. simplifying the tax returns, everyone likes that. expanding access to venture capital, and expanding the number of investments the federal government makes in small wisdoms and focusing on rural places in plea bargain,

and then the tax on the rich. we're going to tax capital gains 28%, and make sure billionaires and corporations aren't paying less than nurses and frights. are these the sorts of things that can get through maybe a congress that is not controlled by the democrats? maybe one house is controlled by the republicans. >> absolutely. i mean, i think that when you're talking about tax cuts for the working class, or tax cuts for small businesses, which could be a start up or could be the local dry cleaner, this is going to create good jobs. >> she can do this even if she's not handed control of all arms of government? >> some of them, i mean, i don't think she's going to get the tax fairness part because unfortunately you've had bush give massive tax cuts, bush jr. to the rich, and trump do that. but at least the tax cults and tax credits for job creation and the working and middle class, she can. the big contest is all of our

policies come from a view of how to you help the working and middle class and small business? donald trump's view, philosophically, you got to help people like him. they create the jobs, give the tax cults to the wealthy, elon musk, the job creators, kamala harris and democrats believe the bone is the middle class. >> you were arguing that part of the issue with the election is biden wasn't speaking plainly enough to voters about the economy. and you said, you know, for all the jobs that were created with the c.h.i.p.s act, he could have gone and opened up a couple of plant in a couple of key places and that messaging alone would have gone much farther, would have been more potent than, thee new jobs coming down the pipe? >> i think president biden was a transformative president but haven't been able to convey it. he reversed 50 years of offshoring industry, jobs going offshore and aluminum. he said no. invest in manufacturing in this country. new battery and solar plants.

new steel plants good for climate and good for jobs and now i'm excited, because vice president harris -- >> address what you said. should have just been reopening of a few plants here and there and would have done just as much on messaging if not more? >> we should have gone to certain communities. picked place. like johnstown parks pa. ashtabula county, ohio. and said in the next year get a in steel plant, new aluminum planned and metrickmetrics to g done. these 20 communities and you'll see a result in a year. the president put us on nice course and i'm confident vice president harris will build on it and dop it in a more granular way. >> hate we had to start with tragic news. appreciate you coming on, answering question what's the democrats would do if given

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author and christine romans. >> kamala harris says a consumer's sales tax and mass deportations royal the labor market among other things. goldman sachs looking at both presidencies saying kamala harris would grow a little more than under him. you heard her today zeroing in trying to the pro-small business candidate talking a lot about small business is driver of the economy and she would do things differently than joe bide long-term capital gains, raising long-term capital gains. >> talking small businesses and wants to juice them up. give $50,000 in a tax deduction. >> new. >> people starting a new business. supply tax returns and expand opportunities for investment whether they were vcs, private vcs or federal government saying we want to fund you, a small

business especially in a rural place. is this saying that's going to help her with voters who are worried about the economy in swing districts? >> looking at places like maricopa county. fastest growing in the country. bill c.h.i.ps act investment there. flipped for biden. so close there. housing market that's really tight. a really blooming job market and a lot of small business creation happening there. she's talking to places like that. like a county in georgia, another swing state with diverse businesses and diverse electorate and that is traditionally a very red place. the last two elections have gone for democrats. kent, michigan. same thing. a manufacturing base starting to decline a little and that's a close race as well that had gone for donald trump in 2016.

concerns in places they want investment especially small business investment. the last one here is erie county, pennsylvania. so tight. doesn't get tighter than that. a real bellwether for pennsylvania, and it needs small business investment. you've got an industrial base there in decline. labor market getting older. the kind of places you need these investments and they're gambling for that. >> guns and the economy. one minute left. give you the last word to wrap this up for us. >> wrap it up. okay. let's see. so naked political terms here. basically the harris campaign began labor day week. a parade in pittsburgh. small businesses is a segue into basically trying to appeal to accessible ways into business. much easier, much more friendly way to talk about business than it is to say i'm going to promote corporate tax breaks and so forth. this is a way to sort of do main street after the big sort of rollout coming out of the

convention and so forth. so how was that? probably go on, but, you know, this is precious time. >> no. talk to me about what we saw today in that school and whether guns will be a big issue for democrats and whether they should lean into it? >> i think, look, something they've leaned into a long time and somebody public opinion is on their side on. this is unfortunately a really, really depressing and sad and heartbreaking background music to the world we're living in. look, republicans are vulnerable on it. again, a wearying thing to live through turn on news middle of the day and see more news on this. something we're all trying to co-exist with. >> i don't know if it's possible to co-exist with it. tragic and trauma built on top of each other. christine romans and mark leibovich thank you. that's going to do it for me. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york as we