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it is to be back with you for this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, that breaking news, the judge delaying donald trump's hush money sentencing until after the election. the reasons he laid out and the implications which could be big for the presidential race. also breaking, the legal issue now delaying the start of mail-in voting in north carolina. what it all has to do with rfk junior weeks after he suspended his campaign. and a pivotal jobs report considered one of the most consequential in years, what it signals about the u.s. economy and how it could affect your bottom line. our nbc news reporters are following the latest developments. we begin with breaking news. donald trump's criminal hush money sentencing now delayed until after the election. i want to bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin. what did we learn from the

decision, what went into it? >> reporter: chris, what we heard from judge merchan today is that he's postponing donald trump's sentencing until november 26th. obviously weeks after the election. but he's also postponing a decision that was expected on september 16th on whether or not the verdict reached by the jury on those 34 felony counts can stand. trump had moved to set aside that verdict on the grounds of the supreme court's immunity decision, arguing that evidence of his official acts as president were inappropriately admitted by judge merchan, and that the jury relied on it so much so that the verdict has to be vacated. judge merchan saying in his decision today, that the reason he decided to postpone these things is not because he's making a political decision but rather because he wants to avoid the appearance that he is making a political decision. as i just said to one of our colleagues off camera, it's as if judge merchan is making the

decision in his own head that he does not want to be the jim comey of 2024. >> lisa rubin, thank you for that. i want to bring in nbc's vaughn hillyard who covers the campaign, vaughn, how are they reacting to all of this? >> reporter: this is a moment here for the campaign where their candidate is in control, chris. for donald trump, he is in the air, here to charlotte, north carolina. to address the fraternal order of police, the largest police unit in the country here. of course this comes after the nearly hour remarks that he delivered at trump tower. it was initially billed as a press conference, he took no questions, instead, after leaving that appeals courtroom there, he talked extensively about the details of the case. he brought up the other women who made allegations against him, other than e. jean carroll, when it comes to evidence, it could potentially have been brought into the courtroom as a part of this appeal. donald trump talking extensively about it. i want to let you, though, look at the statement here from trump

campaign spokesperson, steven chung, talking about the sentencing being delayed after after the election. there should be no sentencing in the election interference witch hunt, this case, along with the other harris biden hoaxes should be dismissed. of course we should wait for that sentencing. we should wait for judge merchan to determine whether or not there's credence or enough validity to the claims that trump's attorneys had made to dismiss and nullify the 34 counts this may. trump's attorneys have argued that some of the evidence should not have been admitted before the jury and it could have tainted their decision making process. of course the district attorney, alvin bragg's office pushed back and said overwhelming the evidence and the witness testimony is paramount to the

case and the jury's decision, and that if any of the evidence, even if judge merchan were to find some of it in admissible would be minuscule in what would have amounted to the jury making the guilty verdict decision here. we will wait to hear from donald trump, not only here in charlotte, north carolina, this afternoon. he will then have a campaign rally in wisconsin tomorrow, and i want to be clear here, chris. we have continually, over the course of the last year and a half, donald trump, not run away from any of the trials or the indictments against him, but instead tried to use them to turn out and mobilize his most faithful supporters. now with a sentencing coming after election day, we could expect after the 50 minute remarks at trump tower, him to contend that they should be the jury and if he is not returned to the white house, that democrats and unfair prosecutors in his words will do whatever they can to ensure that he goes to prison as kamala harris goes into the white house, chris. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you. let's go to north carolina

now where what was supposed to be the first ball lot sent out in 2024 has been delayed. nbc's trymaine lee is reporting from durham. what happened here? >> chris, i'll tell you what, a court of appeals judge earlier reversed an earlier judge's decision yesterday saying rfk jr. could not take his name off the ballot and has thrown what is usually an uneventful process into uncharted territory. it's the deadline for absentee ballots to be thrown out. statewide, 130,000. now, the appeals court judge said that, you know, there is still a stay. they have to go back, reprint every single ballot. mail them out, right, in due process. again, it's not just about, you know, the work it takes to reprint the ballots. there's other costs involved as well. i spoke with derek bowens who runs elections in durham county. check it out.

>> a family-run job for us. we're going to have to go to our board county commissioners and ask for additional funding. >> how frustrating is this? >> as an election county official, i don't have an opinion, and it's an anomaly with previous electionings. election officials know how to roll with the punches and we'll get it done. >> reporter: have you ever experienced anything like this before? >> this is a first for me in my ten plus years. >> reporter: i want you to take a look behind me. there's no action, no energy. earlier today, this room was buzzing. folks were preparing for the earliest absentee ballot in the country. now with everything on pause, all the work to be done. all the man hours, the preparation, it's all out the window, chris. >> trymaine lee in this unprecedented election year, something else to add to that list, thank you for that. well, the markets are

heading for the worst week of the year after a highly anticipated jobs report came in weaker than expected. nbc senior business correspondent christine romans joins us now. give us the top line numbers and what it means for all of us. >> it means the red hot job market in the past couple of years is cooling. this is by design. the federal reserve raised interest rates over and over again, and kept them there to quell inflation. we knew that could slow the job market. it's still healthy. you know, 4.2% unemployment rate is down a little bit from last month. and 142,000 jobs created while lighter than the average for the year, it's a decent performance overall. the question is where do we go from here? often times, recessions start with a spike in the unemployment rate, which is why everyone was watching this number so carefully. wages inside this number are up 3.8%. wage growth. that means the family purchasing

power is improving. inflation is now below 3% here, and also we're watching gas prices continue to decline. while we look at the overall number, i think some of the other household financial indicators are turning favorable for families. the big question is job losses in manufacturing, job losses in information technology. are those the start of something else in those industries? there was job creation in other parts of the economy. we'll take this as a mixed report. an unemployment rate that's ticked down to 4.2%. the headline number was less than economists thought. when you look at july, the number was revised down. when you look at the trend there, that was a couple of things. hurricane beryl and remember how hot it was? actually, it was so hot in parts of the country that there were industries that stalled hiring. that's a climate story that i think bears watching. interesting numbers there. >> christine romans, thank you. coming up in 90 seconds, new

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2,000 events, canvas launches, phone banks, cookouts, more, with a goal of reaching 1 million voters. we're also learning the vice president is participating in extended mock debate sessions, and brushing up on briefing books ahead of her face-off on tuesday with donald trump. that's according to three sources familiar with debate prep. nbc's kelly o'donnell is reporting from pittsburgh, where vice president harris arrived yesterday for these final debate practice sessions. kelly, big weekend for the campaign in more ways than one. tell us about it. >> well, the big weekend and what you just outlined does not include the candidate herself, because kamala harris is here for what will ultimately be a five-day period arriving yesterday, staying until she moves over to philadelphia for the big debate tuesday night, using this time, taking up short-term residence in the commonwealth of pennsylvania. one of the most significant battlegrounds up for grabs. and her team wants to do that outreach, and to use all the different levers they have of

trying to energize voters, get volunteers on board, and do all the things that make up the nuts and bolts of how you get across the finish line. for the candidate, it's about the work in the debate sessions. key advisers are here with her. she has the ability to do run-throughs of sections by sections of topic areas, anticipating what questions there could be, how she wants to handle certain issues, and how she wants to handle donald trump, and the first time the two of them will meet face to face on tuesday night. part of what the campaign tells us is they are concerned about how the interaction goes. they had believed that having open microphones the entire time would work to her strength as a former prosecutor and allow her quick action with responding or calling out any of the comments that the former president might make. we have watched a lot of debates and know sometimes he speaks when it's not his scheduled turn, reacting to the other

candidate, whether it's joe biden or hillary clinton, and republicans during primary season. so they wanted the advantage of that. that is not how it's going to play out, according to the rules. some of her advisers are understandably nervous and worried about how it goes because they recognize this is a high profile moment. part of their goal is to include some of her biographical information, that she can work that into her answers. talk about her accomplishments and credentials, past elected offices she has held and how that pertains to what she's doing, ideas she will have and how she will run as a candidate. that's how they're starting. the weekend will be active without kamala harris herself, although she may make stops in and around pittsburgh while she is in debate prep or debate camp for the next several days. chris. >> otr, as we say in the business, off the record stops but gets the publicity. joining us now, adrienne elrod,

senior spokesperson, let me pick up where kelly left off. we know the campaign has expressed disappointment in the rules specifically about muted mics, no audience. they think it will benefit trump. how is the vice president adjusting? what's the strategy for what could arguably be, if not the most important moment of this campaign, one of the top important moments? >> chris, she's taking it seriously. you have kelly o reporting live outside of the debate site where she's prepping in pittsburgh, really focusing on the prep, and making sure that she is as prepared as possible to take her message directly to the american people. she knows millions of people are watching. she understands this is a real moment in the debate, in this campaign, to have a discussion with the american people about the fact that she's fighting for middle class families, she wants to take the country forward, not backward, and draw that contrast with donald trump. she knows this is a major moment

to do that. she wants to draw the contrast on embracing project 2025, which would set us backward, give him more power than a president should have. it feels very unthinkable and make sure the american people understand that. they understand what's at stake, and again, she's taking this very very seriously, which is why she's, you know, spending a lot of time with those senior aides prepping. >> given the fact that there will be muted mics, given that there will be no audience for trump? >> i mean, i'm not involved in the debate prep myself. i'm here in wilmington, focused on getting our surrogates on the campaign trail, and we just have been meeting with senior aides here. my focus is here. she has a whole team focusing on that. >> let me ask you about that. the campaign is coming off the biggest month of grass roots fundraising for a presidential campaign ever. >> i'm glad you mentioned that. >> $361 million in august.

i'm reminded that hillary clinton out spent donald trump by two to one in 2016 and still lost, so tell me about the money strategy. how does the campaign use resources in a way that you think will translate into success at the ballot box? >> i'm glad you mentioned fundraising. this is historic, we did raise a lot of money. three times more than trump raised in august. that's very important to focus on. look, first of all, the grass roots momentum and excitement you're seeing among volunteers on the campaign trail is translate to go dollars for us. 90% of the donations were under $200. demonstrates the excitement you're seeing. high turnout, savannah georgia, 9,000 people turned out, detroit, 15,000 people. she's drawing large crowds of excited people, democrats, republicans, and independent. people are excited and that's translating into volunteer

shifts, translating into small grass roots dollar donations. we're seeing that across the board. we have of course this historic weekend of action coming up where over 200,000 people are volunteering. we have a number of people knocking on doors, calling undecided voters, doing all of the things that you do traditionally, chris, at this stage of the campaign, which is making sure we are reaching our swing voter universe, that we are having those conversations with undecided voters. we're making sure voters who are supporting us don't stay home and sit on the couch. they're getting out, they understand what's at stake in this election. they're going to turn out and vote. we are focused on, you know, turning a very high level, high stakes volunteer operation, using the momentum that we have coming, you know, throughout the campaign, to get volunteers out there, and to really make sure people understand what's at stake. >> of course they have to be organized and the last numbers i saw, update me if you have something fresh, but that you

guys have 312 campaign offices, 2,000 staff members in battleground states. with all of that money, are you having conversations about expanding the number of states that you're in and the number of people who are on staff? >> yeah, chris, we're certainly taking every state seriously. of course our core battleground states, the ones where we have the most energy and excitement and the most, you know, expansive operation. chris, it's important to keep in mind, we have been making these infrastructure investments in battleground states for a long time. of course, president joe biden was the nominee. this campaign effectively turned into a campaign for the vice president. we have been laying the groundwork. unlike donald trump who has sort of had, oh, i'm going to run a digital ground game. i'm not doing the traditional things you do in a very high stakes, very close election. we believe these investments that we're making in the states, the volunteer operation is historic. the fact that we do have thousands -- 2000, as you mentioned, that number is

growing every single day, of paid staff in the states. we believe those investments are going to make a big difference in an election that's very close. >> you mentioned you're involved in surrogate operations, let me ask you a pointed or maybe a double pointed question. feel free to answer yes or no. have there been conversations about getting out on behalf of vice president harris liz cheney or taylor swift? >> chris, again, it's not my job here to disclose private conversations. what i will tell you we were very excited to see liz cheney, a very important voice among conservatives and a lot of moderate swing voters come out and say she's supporting vice president harris. as for some of the other big names out there, you'll have to wait and see. >> not a denial on either front. adrienne elrod, thank you so much. appreciate your time. >> thanks, chris. >> by the way, my colleagues and i will be in philadelphia,

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we are back to the breaking news. former president donald trump whose calendar just cleared up ahead of the 2024 election, federal judge juan merchan moving trump's criminal sentencing date for the new york hush money case. it was scheduled for september 18th. now november 26th. that's after, of course, the presidential election. trump is already fanning the flames of disinformation about the ruling on truth social after calling this case and all of his legal troubles part of a witch hunt earlier today. >> the doj is behind everything. every one of these cases. it's political interference. it's a witch hunt just like the fake russia, russia, russia scam was a witch hunt. just like they want to start the scam all over again by announcing that russia, russia, russia, we're talking about, they intimidate people from having a fair election. >> joining me for more analysis,

msnbc legal analyst, and former deputy chief of the criminal division, kristy greenberg, retired judge jill konviser is with us as well. if i can ask you about what donald trump just said there, we say a lot that so much of his criticism is baked in, that people are used to his criticisms, people are used to his misstatements, but the continuing criticism that somehow the judicial system is rigged, does it matter anymore or does it hurt? >> it does matter. it does hurt. he's dead wrong yet again, to say that, i think his quote was the doj is behind every prosecution is ludicrous in a state case. the federal government has nothing to do with the state prosecution whatsoever. he doesn't really understand how the branches of government work in that regard, and certainly not how the judiciary does. it does matter because he's wrong.

misinformation, when you're a jurist is the worst thing that can be out there, and so people should be very wary about what he says. >> so let's go to the actual ruling by judge merchan himself, and are kristy, this was pointed in a lot of ways. i'm going to read one. i want you to analyze it for us or understand the part that's in legalese. he says as a threshold matter, despite the people's stated neutrality, d.a. alvin bragg and his team, despite their stated neutrality, they present concerns in the manner in which seemingly supports defendants' application for an adjournment. the people certainly do not oppose and a careful reading of their response can fairly be construed as a joinder of the motion. they're accepting, joining in the motion, is he not happy with

them? >> he's clearly not happy with them. this is their case. this is the manhattan d.a.'s case. they brought this case. when it comes to a decision like the defendant's sentencing t you should take a position. here's some reasons why the defendant may be right in wanting to delay but we're going to leave it to you. you have to say do you think those reasons are compelling or not? by just saying yes, these reasons trump's lawyers list seem like they may make sense but not listing out all the reasons why the delay is inappropriate, they really showed their hand here in seeming to say that they wanted the delay. >> why did they do it? >> so there's something that's not spoken in this order, and it's not going to be spoken by the prosecutor, but i think it's something that's happening here, these prosecutors, as we know from the gag order, have been facing death threats, things law

enforcement has looked at and said they're credible death threats. they're happening to the judge, the judge's daughter, and, i mean, look i have never prosecuted a case that has that kind of unhinged sort of, you know, really people who take this very seriously, and if trump loses this election, are they going to blame the prosecutors, are they going to blame the judge, they don't want to die. they don't want to get killed here. when the judge says, look, i don't want the appearance here that i'm trying to tip the scales. i think that at least their own safety and the safety of the prosecutors is animating that, even if it's not explicitly said. >> we don't know what motivated this, but does it make sense to you, and is it right to have those kinds of concerns? it goes back to the first question i asked you, first of all, about what it means for the judiciary, but also for people who are within the system. >> well, i think the points that

kristy raves are good ones. but at end of the day, alvin bragg is an elected official who has taken the oath to prosecute all matters before him. it seems to me, he does have a responsibility to take a position at the very least in this very serious case, rather than throw it back at the court, which is why you see and hear and feel that edge in judge merchan's decision. he's saying, this is your case, you tried it, you brought it. you indicted him. what's your position? and them taking no position. whatever their motives are, it's hard to know, but it certainly seems to me they should have taken a position, and the judge will make his determination, but the input from the prosecuting authority is critical. >> i haven't read a lot of opinions, certainly a minor fraction of what the two of you have, judge, i want to read something else that struck me

about what what juan merchan wrote. were they to decide that this case should proceed, it will be faced with one of the most critical and difficult decisions a trial court judge faces, the sentencing of a defendant found guilty of crimes by a unanimous jury of his peers. as a judge, do you feel that? >> i feel that. and i think that is true for every single judge. sentencing is by far the hardest thing we do. we do a lot of hard things. sentencing is painful in every case. this case is no different. and i can tell you, it's my belief, and certainly my practice that a sentence was never in my head. i never made a decision on sentence unless and until i was at that sentence hearing. i heard what the prosecutor had to say, the defense, the defendant, who has a right to be heard, and i read the probation report. you have an idea what you might

do, but certainly, sentencing is critical, it is crucial, it is painful. it is something judges lose sleep over. but we do it. it's our job. and we do it. >> and he says that he'll do it by applying the facts and the law after carefully considering the issues and respective arguments of the parties. having said that, can anybody completely keep the politics or threats out of it? >> i think the threat piece is certainly hard again, when it came to timing here. ultimately when it came to sentencing, everything i have heard with judge mer chan, every day of this trial, he has been fair, impartial, any threats, statements that donald trump has made attacking this judge, he has not factors that in. he has ruled in many ways in favor of donald trump as opposed to him. he has, you know, continued to really run a tight ship, and i think that his sentencing will be the same. >> this week we saw judge tanya

chutkan, that the election isn't something she's focused on. clearly juan merchan is considering both in his choices. what is the right thing to do? do you consider the election? do you ignore it? what would you do? >> i think both judges make important points for different reasons. judge chutkan is saying, i don't really care about the election because this case is moving forward. but she's not setting a trial date because all of the issues relative to immunity and the evidentiary matters must be established and discussed and vetted and ruled on first. there's no reason to stop now. the case is going forward. what she did makes perfect sense. the election doesn't matter, we're going to litigate these issues. it's different in the new york case where the defendant is a convicted felon, where sentencing is looming, so to an election, and here you have a judge who, as kristy just said, who has really endeavored successfully in my view to be

and appear fair right down the middle. so here we are within 40 odd days of the election, and sentencing the defendant where he would get a stay regardless of where the sentence is, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. i think the judge did the right thing. we're not going to interfere. if the american public is going to vote for this president, we'll deal with this. in terms of sentence, there's no reason not to wait. it's the better course of valor, and by the way, the people take no position. i think judge merchan did the right thing. i think judge chutkan did the right thing. >> kristy greenberg, judge jill konviser, thank you both. we have more breaking news, right now, liz cheney is speaking in texas, and she just revealed she won't be the only prominent republican voting for kamala harris this november. wait until you hear who says they're voting for kamala harris. my jaw dropped, after the break. . i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates

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we just got more breaking news from republican liz cheney, republican, she said that she wasn't just against trump but she felt as a defense of democracy she was going to vote for kamala harris, someone who she has significant policy differences with, and now she's talking about who her father will be voting for. >> dick cheney, your father, a beloved figure among democrats for many many years, if you know

who he will be supporting or who he'll be voting for, do you care to share with us who he might be voting for? >> dick cheney will be voting for kamala harris. >> i want to bring in warren campaign senior adviser and host of the podcast "when we win" with maya rupert. you know, when she said she was voting for kamala harris, it was a surprise. what word would you use for dick cheney voting for kamala harris? >> i mean, that's just such -- that's an earthquake. right? i think it really signals something. it's going to be really important for republicans to understand, the people who have expressed doubts about donald trump, the people who have said, i can't bring myself to vote for donald trump, but have stopped short of saying they're going to vote for kamala harris. i think his decision is signaling two things to everyone, one, this is not the same republican party that people have allegiance to,

right? that signals such a shift, and the second thing is that it is not enough to just criticize donald trump, this is a binary choice, and so four republicans who look at someone like dick cheney as the reason they have allegiance to this party. he is signaling to people that the future of this party is actually dependent on donald trump not winning again. >> tell me where you think this makes a difference. there are not a lot of 22-year-olds who say, dick cheney, but for the high propensity voter who is in their 50s and 60s and 70s, who know very well who dick cheney is and may, i know they were joking about it, but he's revered by a lot of republicans, right? >> right. >> is that where it might make a difference or is it maybe a bridge too far to think it will really have influence of any significant nature?

>> i genuinely think that it will. i mean, i think that dick cheney did, the sort of joke and the quote was, you know, that the democrats, but in that same way,ism like he symbolized a version of the republican party that people still allude to when they say this is why i vote this way, even despite everything donald trump has done to the party, even despite how many things people disagree with now. that was a version of the party they still -- that still holds that sort of romance and esteem for people. for him to make this decision, i think that will give a lot of people a lot more freedom, and it's going to happen in some of these battleground swing states where that really is going to make a difference. >> she said something that may get more headlines in texas because she talked about the hotly contested senate race there. this is the first time she said this, take a listen.

>> colin allred is somebody i served with in the house, and somebody who really, when you think about the kind of leaders our country needs and going to this point about, you know, you might not agree on every policy position, but we need people who are going to serve in good faith. we need people who are honorable public servants, and in this race, that is colin allred, so i'll be working on his behalf. >> i also want to say that implicit in that honorable public servants, she has made a decision not to come out for ted cruz, allred and cruz are locked in a very tight race. it was a couple of weeks ago, the end of august, colin allred raised $1 million in 24 hours. that race has been seen as within the margin of error in a series of polls, not all, but in

a series of polls. we know, again, that ted cruz pulled it out against beto o'rourke last time. she didn't just say, by the way, that she's endorsing him, she said i'll be working on his behalf. >> right. >> i think the idea that liz cheney is going to be speaking out in texas, making these exact same points, again, i think there are a lot of people in texas who would say, you know, do i agree -- am i going to vote for a democrat because i agree with them on every single policy position, no? but what she's saying here is these are the kinds of leaders we need. these are the kinds of people who are going to be looking at these issues in a way that is about benefitting all people, and i think colin has been running an incredibly effective campaign, showing people how often in the house he has worked with republican colleagues, he has looked at issues from a how is this going to improve life for texans. if that's the message she's carrying into texas with a race

this close, with fundraising power as strong as colin all red has shown, i think something like that is going to make a huge difference. >> i wonder if it will motivate democrats out of state, and that gets criticized whenever senate candidates get money from out of state. i wonder if it will push fundraising for him in texas. >> absolutely. i mean, i think that this again, reminds people that this is a national question. you know, we're looking at not just, you know, people are looking at not just the presidential, but the idea that if kamala harris wins, she's going to need a house. she's going to need a senate in order to do any of the things people are really talking about , and that means looking at races like the one in texas, and saying is that a place where democrats can flip, and actually be able to govern the way so many people are asking someone to govern. >> can i say none of what we talked about was what we said we were going to talk to you about. thank you so much for being with us for two different kinds of

breaking news. much appreciates, maya rupert, good to see you again. we have more breaking news, the white house is demanding answers, after an american woman was shot dead protesting near an israeli settlement in the occupied west bank. nbc's matt bradley is live in tel aviv. matt, what do we know about what happened here? >> reporter: yeah, so this 26-year-old activist, aisha knorr, born in turkey, lived in seattle. she was shot dead by the idf according to palestinian sources. this is actually the third time that we have seen an american shot dead in the west bank by the idf, and the idf have said they're going to be investigating this, and we heard from actually the white house in a statement just today. they said they are going to be looking for more information. they confirmed there had been a death of an american in the west bank but did not attribute it to the israeli defense forces. this is a woman who was participating in a protest in

the town of beta, near the city of nablos, and this area had a lot of actually expanding israeli settlements, and has been the scene of quite a bit of settler violence. this is a problem that has been growing in the west bank for much of the past year, ever since those october 7th terror attacks. settlement expansion has been a real big problem for the palestinians there as well. now, specifically, what she was protesting in a protest that was organized by the international solidarity movement, which has been advocating for palestinians, particularly in the west bank. now, this is actually the 17th american who was shot, or excuse me, 17th activist for the ism, the international solidarity movement, according to them, that has been shot in the beta area in just the last couple of years, and we have actually seen a huge surge in violence from these settlers against palestinians. there was just last night, attacks of two different locations of the west bank, by

palestinian settlers and they torched cars and vandalized property. we have seen this going on and on for the past several months. this is a spike in violence in the west bank that has been a big problem for palestinians in addition to what's going on in the gaza strip. chris. >> matt bradley, thank you. and still ahead, duel court appearances for a father and son. the new revelations about how dad gave him a gun when he was just a young teenager, december -- despite concerns that he had been making threats. ns that he d been making threats. i needed more from my antidepressant. vraylar helped give it a lift. adding vraylar to an antidepressant is clinically proven to help relieve overall depression symptoms better than an antidepressant alone. and in vraylar clinical studies, most saw no substantial impact on weight. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report unusual changes in behavior or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. report fever, stiff muscles, or confusion,

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a preliminary hearing date has been set for the apalachee high school shooter. the suspected 14-year-old gunman appeared in court today. he faces life in prison for the deaths of two of his fellow students, christian angulo and mason schemmerhorn, and two teachers. and in a historic move, his father now faces charges as well, making his own court appearance today.

those charges include four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder, and eight counts of cruelty to children. these are the most severe charges ever filed against the parent of an alleged school shooter with the judge telling him he could face up to 180 years in prison if convicted. nbc's marissa parra is reporting from on the ground in winder, georgia, msnbc legal analyst, kristy greenberg is back with me. it was the first time family members of the victims came face to face with the alleged shooter. tell us what happened there and what we have learned about the shooting? >> reporter: hey, chris, well, i want to talk you to some new reporting we have before i get into what we saw and what we heard in court. so we now have eight minutes of audio that came from an interview that the fbi did last may with both the father and the son. of course colin gray and 14-year-old colt gray.

i'm going to quote the father directly, he said in this interview, quote, i don't know him saying any expletive like that when he was asked about his son making any type of threats. he continues, i'm going to be mad as hell if he did, and all the guns will go away. he later continued in this interview, i'm trying to teach him about firearms and safety, and, chris, i'll point out, throughout this eight minutes, he also said that his son was getting picked on at school, and remember, this interview was done last may. and law enforcement sources familiar with this, chris, say that this father, after this interview was done, later gifted his son an ar-style rifle, and so this contributed to these charges that we saw last night. colin gray was arrested last night, charged on 14 different counts, including two counts of second-degree murder, eight counts of cruelty to children, of course that includes those children minors who had been injured in this, and then his son, being treated as an adult.

colt gray charged with four counts of felony murder. i want to get into what we saw in court. these appearances were brief. this is a preliminary appearance. father and son separately appeared shackled, and no bond was requested for either. we heard very briefly from the son who just addressed the judge when he was spoken to and said, yes, sir, and that was all we heard. we saw no emotion. i will quickly point out, we did see more emotion from the father. we saw him in the video, he was rocking back andut to him. then the family was there. we know that there was a lot of emotion coming from victims, family members in the front row. they were comforting each other, wiping away tears and wearing sunglasses because this was something that was highly emotionally charged in there, and i will just point out, chris, you mentioned the autopsies have been completed. there is a community vigil tonight, as the vigil here on the ground outside of apalachee high school, where the tragedy

occurred, the vigil outside continues to grow as well. chris. >> thank you so much for that reporting. on the one hand, there are many witnesses to the shooting. he was apprehended in the act. there may well be video at least of him coming or going. we don't know for sure. on the other hand, he came from a very troubled home life. the father is obviously getting charges that go far beyond we remember ethan crumbley, both of his parents were convicted of involuntary manslaughter, but these charges are more serious. what's it going to take for a defense in this case, and particularly for the alleged shooter? >> so, the defense for colt gray, the son, i think, is going to be very difficult to mount because as you said, we're going to have witnesses and there was a confession. he told investigators, i did it. which, again, maybe they'll say that was coerced in some way,

but at least according to reporting, he was read his miranda rights. they searched his home. they found he was researching other massacres, you know, he made these threats apparently on discord online that were very disturbing in nature about wanting to shoot up his middle school, so assuming they can attribute that to him, that's a lot of evidence for the son. as for the father, the real issue is going to be, you know, was this criminal negligence? that's the basis for the cruelty to children charges, and if the cruelty to children results in death under georgia law, that gets you to second-degree murder. so was this negligent? well, we heard after fbi approached him, what did he give him for christmas? he gave him a gun. that seems pretty negligent, and it says in the affidavit that he gave him that weapon with knowledge that he was a threat to himself and to others. if they can show that he had that knowledge, they should be able to get a conviction here.

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