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forth at trump tower today, following a hearing in federal court to get his e. jean carroll judgment thrown out. instead of talking, though, about issues, personal to voters, he spent 49 minutes on himself. complaining about the judge in the e. jean carroll case, saying once again, that he never met her. now claiming the old photo of him and her could have been ai. it wasn't. claimed he wasn't allowed to use a quote, monica lewinsky type dress in the trial, even though he wanted to, that they, the doj and, quote, kamala and sleepy joe and all the rest of them should be looking at china instead of russia and that he hasn't spoken to anybody from russia in years, that jessica leads, the woman who accused him of groping her on an airplane decades ago wouldn't have, quote, been the chosen one, and that the people magazine writer who accused him of pushing hep against the wall and groping her at mar-a-lago was lying because of after the interview she wrote

a perfect story about him where she doesn't mention it. a few of you are asking yourself if he brought any of this up because he was asked about, monica lewinsky, the dress, you would be wrong. even though trump's team billed this as a press conference, he didn't take a single question from the press. all of that was stream of consciousness, and i'll point out once again, some states are just days away from opening up the polls. joining us now, nbc news correspondent, rehema ellis outside the courtroom. nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard in charlotte, north carolina, where former president trump will speak soon there to voters, and msnbc legal continue, lisa rubin. what happened in this trial today? or this hearing today? >> reporter: katy, what happened here today is the attorneys for trump, as well as the attorneys for e. jean carroll came here to argue before this three panel judges of the appellate court,

and it was about the fact that the trump team is asking, as you so well pointed out for this judgment against him to be thrown out or at the very least, to have that $5 million verdict against him reduced. and both teams have about 10 minutes, in order to make their arguments, their presentations, and as you say, the trump team went on to say that the information from the "access hollywood" tape should never have been entered into the trial, the information that two other women accused him of sexually assaulting him, similar to what happened to e. jean carroll. e. jean carroll's attorney came back and said, even if all of that were thrown out of the case, the judgment should still stand. it was very interesting that donald trump was here. he did not have to be here. he was not here when this case went to trial last year. he didn't spend any time here, but there was a deposition of him that was used in this case. so with all of that, e. jean

carroll's attorney arguing that she had 11 witnesses in this case, donald trump presented none, that the time to make the argument was last year, and not now. they were asking about the judgment that they got in this case should stand. >> thank you very much. let me play a little bit inside the hearing room because we don't often get audio out of these things. this is roberta kaplan, e. jean carroll's lawyer, and john sauer who is donald trump's lawyer, along with the judge in this case, talking about why the judgment should stand. i'm going to warn you, though, there is some coarse language. >> mr. trump is here today. he was given every opportunity by judge kaplan to show up at this trial, and he was even given until 5:00 p.m. on the sunday before closings and didn't show. he had every opportunity to take the stand and rebut the

evidence, he did not. he did not put on a single witness. we put on 11. what he did put in is the video tape of "access hollywood" where he basically said i grabbed women by the pussy, excuse me my language, and asked about the video, what did he say, he embraced it. the outcry witnesses had egregious bias against the defendant, prior social media posts and text messages, said things totally unrelated to his case, based on his politics. >> you had an opportunity to cross examine them in front of jury, right? >> yes. but the question is what harmless error could the jury believe but was the jury's judgment tainted by the fact that they heard the inflammatory evidence. and one thing this court and other court emp emphasizes, the relentlessly hammered the propensity evidence, the "access hollywood" tape.

>> i had the opening statement, i didn't see the relentless hammering. >> the last female voice is the judge. explain, what exactly is john sauer doing here? >> he's trying to argu judge lou kaplan let in evidence he shouldn't have let in. and excluded evidence, the fact that e. jean carroll never filed a police report. the oral argument focused on two pieces of evidence, the testimony from jessica leads who accused donald trump of sexual ly assaulting her on a train, and he was arguing, it's propensity evidence. someone who has done something in the past has the propensity to do the same thing again. usually it doesn't come into a case, except propensity evidence with respect to sexual assault and rape if certain

circumstances are met. and today he was arguing and very technical terms that you didn't read, why jessica leads' testimony should come out of the case, why the "access hollywood" tape should come out of the tape as well. >> and this is a civil case, so the bar is lower than a criminal court, right? >> the bar is lower in some respects, but not in others. first of all, a defamation verdict in new york state has to be unanimous. so in that respect, it shares a lot with the criminal verdict. the other thing is that the jury had to find that donald trump sexually abused e. jean carroll within the meaning of the criminal statute of new york, even though it wasn't a criminal case. >> this monica lewinsky type dress, do you know what he was talking about? >> i know what he was talking about. there was a period of time that she has the dress she wore on the date of the assault. that dress was allegedly subjected to dna testing. it never came into evidence.

in part because there were disputes about the reliability of the testing and the dna, but that is, i think, what donald trump was talking about in that free associating press conference he held. >> the other bit of legal news we have is out of the hush money sentencing, it's been delayed now twice, and delayed once again. what happened there? >> judge juan merchan deciding to postpone the sentencing until after the election, at donald trump's request. the other thing he decided is he's going to postpone his own decision on whether to set aside the verdict because according to trump's lawyers, evidence admitted at the trial is now evidence that should have been excluded under the supreme court's immunity ruling. that decision, too, will be moved until after the election on november 12th. now, in his decision today, he says, i'm not doing this for political reasons. if anything, i'm doing this so nobody can accuse me of interfering with the election. he said it's important to avoid any appearance, however unwarranted that the proceeding has been affected by or seeks to

affect the approaching presidential election in which the defendant is a candidate. >> if donald trump wins, what happens? >> donald trump wins, judge merchan can still sentence him on november 26th. what he is going to sentence him to, and whether he will serve that sentence is, i think, a different story. there's no bar on an elected president serving a sentence. there's certainly nothing in the constitution that would preclude it, but if there's an argument to be made to the supreme court, i think we know from history, donald trump's lawyers will make it. >> let's go back to what we saw earlier, vaughn, until the news conference, and i say news conference. it wasn't a news conference it didn't take questions from the press. was this something that donald trump wanted to do? was it the campaign involved? why is he going out and speaking for nearly an hour about a judgment and talking about all of the allegations against himself just days before early voting starts in this country?

>> right. that actually reminds me of the trump tower statement that he made back in june the day after he was convicted on those 34 felony counts. you and i were standing next to each other, and were keen on the opportunity to ask questions, and he ended up not taking any that day. let's be clear. donald trump is not naive to the fact that any story related to him and his legal battles has oxygen to it, and it is a story. he is not only the former president but the republican nominee for president in 2024. and so for him, he is ensuring, by going out and trump tower outside of his elevators and speaking for almost an hour, he is ensuring that the second side of the story gets out there. a lot of it has to frankly do being rooted back to may of 2023. the first e. jean carroll defamation trial when he was found by a jury to have sexually abused her. it was a jury that made that decision. donald trump didn't show up a single day. he chose not to testify either

as robbie kaplan was noting there that he had the opportunity to do so and he passed it up. and it was interesting fast forward from may of 2023, to today. he's standing in front of those elevator doors there, was bemoaning the fact that one of the former attorneys working on the case at the trial at the time, joe taco pino, he had urged him to not testify, not go to court because it was below the standing of a former president of the united states to do so, and in doing so, donald trump, ever since then, including the day, that very day in may of 2023 that he was found to have sexually abused e. jean carroll by that jury, he went to a town hall in new hampshire and spoke the exact words that led to the defamation finding in the first place, and that's what you heard him continue to do today because really it's at all costs at this point, it's not about the financial repercussions

here, katy, he has made that very clear. he is willing, despite his legal efforts to fight paying, he is willing to take this on in order to politically win. for him, that is convincing enough americans that e. jean carroll's story is not a true one. >> vaughn, you're at a town hall, is he going to be taking questions from voters, and i wonder if any of those voters will be asking about his legal troubles or if they're going to be asking about the economy or foreign policy or immigration? >> reporter: we know there's going to be a sentencing on the line after this election here, and he's going to be addressing the national board of the fraternal order of the police, which is the largest organization of police officers in the country. we are here in charlotte, north carolina, his fourth visit to this battleground state that he won in 2016 and 2020 but is here again for the fourth time in a

month. what questions do we have? of course when we're talking about law enforcement and the justice system, donald trump again today went on the attack against the prosecutors who lead the department of justice: went against district attorney alvin bragg, went against judge chutkan, judge merchan, he's called for the pardoning of the more than a thousand individuals that have either pled guilty or were found guilty for their actions on january 6th. in which 140 police officers were attacked. i think that we've got a bite there. i'll toss it back to you, katy. of donald trump. >> i think we mistakenly had the sound up a little too high on some o. video we were rolling underneath you. vaughn hillyard, it looks like you're at a town hall. i realize now that you are not. again, i guess if there were voters asking him questions, if he was doing a town hall, i would wonder if any would be asking about his legal troubles

or they would be asking him about, i don't know, their own policy desires and desires for their own lives. lisa rubin, after all, this is an election to be president. lisa rubin, vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. and still ahead, what could be a bigger deal than the former third ranking republican endorsing a democratic candidate for president, well, she just got one upped by somebody in her own family, no less. plus, the father of the suspected georgia school shooter has been arrested and charged, what is now facing. and what vice presidential candidate j.d. vance said about that shooting that the democrats are seizing on. we're back in 90 seconds. secons thyroid eye disease a long time ago. and year after year, you weathered the storm and just lived with the damage that was left behind. but even after all this time your thyroid eye disease could still change.

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presidential campaign, and senior msnbc political contributor, matthew dowd, also with us is former executive director of the new york state democratic party, basil smikle. matthew, my friend who i met at the shrimp fest many years ago, dick cheney, who's convinced to vote for kamala harris by dick cheney? >> first of all, i want to say the idea that dick cheney is endorsing kamala harris, i mean, i worked for him, i did his debate prep in 2004, they always looked at me as like the newfound republican, not conservative enough. dick cheney has been involved in conservative republicanism for 50 years, worked for nixon, chief of staff for ford, secretary of defense for herbert walker bush, was obviously vice president, conservative congressman from wyoming, he is as republican and as conservative as any person in

america in this. and so, one, i mean, obviously highly, highly unusual for somebody like that to endorse. what i think it does is it's him, liz cheney, others, adam kinzinger, others, it basically adds up as a signal. it gives a permission structure, not to republicans but former republicans or independents who might have reluctance to vote for a democrat, it gives them a permission structure, to basically vote, even though they may not like the vice president harris or may agree with her on certain policies, there's a small group of voters, 3, 4, 5%, that it's a signal to them that it's okay if you support the democrat in this race, and that, as you know, this race could be decided by a few thousand votes, could be significant. >> 3 or 4 or 5% is high. i thought you were going to say 3 or 4 or 5 voters period.

a lot of these establishment, former old guard republicans, a lot of them have come out and said, no, we don't like donald trump. we think that anybody but donald trump is good. or better. and dick cheney, he has such a spotty record, and there are so many people in this country who absolutely loathe him. mark was being cheeky by saying democrats love him because democrats don't like him. the wars in iraq, what happened throughout the middle east during that presidency, there's still such a hangover from it, and you can argue it's part of the reason why donald trump got elected. that anger. i was in south carolina, donald trump was campaigning against bush and cheney in 2016 saying they were responsible for the iraq war, muddying up the middle east. he used them to get elected. and he did it effectively, clearly. didn't win the popular vote but the electoral college.

i don't know. >> well, i think to your point, there is an argument that could be made that the move towards isolationism. the point about reluctant and permission structure. dick cheney and liz cheney are not talking to democrats. reluctance is an important word. if you were going to sit out the election, maybe their endorsement gives you an opportunity to say kamala harris is not so bad. let me go out and actually make this decision. i think it also helps to deflect donald trump's attacks against her. not to say that dick cheney and liz cheney will defend kamala harris, it gives permission to more republicans to be able to push back on those attacks, to be able to not give in to those attacks, and that, again, for the small segment of the

population that might be inclined to believe them, it's important. every vote is going to matter. >> i wonder if that's going to be more effective or if this is going to be more effective in getting people to vote for democrats. there is the story right now out there, matthew and basil, obviously the gun story, the shooting in georgia, and how to pucks this problem that we have in this country. j.d. vance spoke about it. let me play what he said. >> look, i don't like this. i don't like to admit this. if you are a psycho, and you want to make headlines, you realize that our schools are soft targets and we have got to bolster security at our schools. >> a fact of life is what he calls it, and says he doesn't like it, but he calls it a fact of life, and talked about hardening schools. that school was hardened.

there was an officer there. i talked to mark claxton who does security for a school district in north carolina. he admitted there's no amount of hardening you can do against a crazy person who has -- just an undeveloped kid who's not happy and mentally unstable, who has access to a gun. the democrats, matt, are seizing on fact of life. do you think that the gun issue might be more potent, not just among democrats but maybe among depths, some moderate republicans. the majority of americans, across parties want to see tighter gun control. >> as a gun owner and a hunter myself, i'm just amazed that the republicans still are so out of tune on this issue. i mean, it's not just what j.d. vance said, it's that every time something like this happens, a republican says thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers, now is the not the time to talk about politics, and they constantly point to every other

factor, mental illness or whether or not the schools got security, and they never point at what will make a difference, which is access to guns, and some kind of background checks, and some kind of mental health tests or whatever are those many things that you can actually do through some things to prevent this, and we know in georgia where this took place, a congresswoman, lucy mcbath was elected in a swing district in georgia, an african-american woman, purely on this issue. and so i believe this is an issue democrats can go way affirmative on and make an argument that the republicans are so out of step on this, and again, it's another part of the freedom argument the vice president has made, but this to me is such an issue that republicans are so out of step with 70% of the country. >> basil. >> as someone who's actually been shot before at the age of 12 by a 14-year-old who had a gun in front of the school that we went to and he dropped out of

and lost friends to gun violence, i don't want it to be a fact of life. i don't want it to be just something that i have to deal with that's my family, or my neighbors have to deal with. there's a whole generation of school child that has grown up being accustomed to some extent, having hardened schools, having to have drills to be able to get away from individuals that enter the school with a gun. that should not be normal in our society. where 4% of the population, we all may be at least 60% of the guns in this world. how is that at all normal? and so j.d. vance to say this, trying to desensitize the american people on something so incredibly horrific. democrats should seize on that, and continue to push. there's a policy solution to everything that is involved here. we can put more mental health experts and guidance counselors in schools. if, according to project 2025, you want to get rid of the

department of education, how is any of that going to happen. >> i didn't know you had been shot. >> i have. >> i'm so happy you're okay. >> thanks. >> what happened to that 14-year-old? >> well, he was a drug dealer in the neighborhood. he dropped out of junior high school to sell drugs. i didn't see him until a few years later, he lost feeling in his arms because it had been shot up. he was in and out of prison for a good chunk of life. >> >> thank you for coming on today, matt, thank you as well. and coming up, we're going to talk a little bit more about guns. the father of the suspected shooter is in custody today. what police say he did. why they believe he's responsible in the lead up to the shooting. first, though, voting season was supposed to kick off today in north carolina. we'll tell you why it's delayed. .

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with election day two months away, a range of republicans from right wing pundits to j.d. vance, pushing unsubstantiated warnings that noncitizens will try to vote, that they'll quote, flood the polls to vote for democrats. there's no evidence of this. nor is there any evidence that anyone has ever even tried to do that en masse. the american immigration council found 68 separate incidents of fraud dating back to the 1980s. ten of them were undocumented immigrants. the warnings are being acted on, and the fear is that what's being done will amount to voter suppression. the "new york times" obtained recordings of a call from the summer with tips from conservative activists on how to keep undocumented immigrants from voting, told to look for ethnic names on voter rolls and press to purge those people, scour school enrollment figures to find neighborhoods with a lot of migrants. post signs in spanish warning

against registering to vote in the same neighborhoods. prepare for on the ground monitoring of polling places focused on spanish speaking poll workers. these tips are now being acted upon. in texas, alabama, ohio, montana, wisconsin, arizona and north carolina, with investigations, lawsuits, and voting purges. this is all happening as a number of states are about to open the polls. voting season is beginning. in fact, north carolina was supposed to begin sending out those mail-in ballots you see there today. but they have been delayed because rfk jr. demanded he shouldn't be on those ballots. joining us now. msnbc correspondent, trymaine lee in durham county, north carolina, a lot of printings already happening, so what does north carolina do about this? >> what do they do about this? look behind me? for now, absolutely nothing. i got here this morning in durham county, a buzz of

activity, election workers were stuffing ballots into envelopes. they got word, the appeals court judge ruled in favor of rfk jr. use the word like opening season. this is like the first game, and now it's nothing, it's been rained out. they were expecting to mail out, across the state, 130,000 early ballots, 5,000 in the building alone, but now with the court's decision, everything is reversed, now they have to gather every single one of these ballots. they had to print off new ones, make sure the name is off it. they had to go through the entire quality control process. in the meantime, you have military folks, expecting and hoping to get their absentee ballots. today was the deadline, they had to get them out. there is real concern here, if they don't get things in order, they might miss that deadline. there are other things at stake too. i spoke with a gentleman, derek who runs elections, and he put

it in greater context. check it out. >> that was a $60,000 ballot run job for us. we have to go to the board county commissioners and ask for additional funding. >> how frustrating is this? >> as an election official, i don't have an opinion and i can't express frustration, i will say it's an anomaly in the process with previous elections. they know how to roll with punches and we'll get it done. >> have you experienced or seen this before? >> this is a first for me in my ten plus years. >> all of the hours of preparation, possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars it's going to cost to fix the ballots, and folks in north carolina, it's going to be a close race. it's expected to be close. here kind of at a standstill, and it's still unclear whether there will be further legal action from rfk. >> trymaine lee, thank you very much. and on tuesday, you can join me and my msnbc colleagues a lot of us for special coverage, live all day from philadelphia.

ahead of the first presidential debate between vice president kamala harris and former president donald trump hosted by abc news. coming up, what today's mixed jobs numbers say about the economy, and the georgia school shooting suspect's father was arrested and charged. what he is facing. g.

the georgia high school shooter's dad is now in custody.

colin gray has been charged with involuntary manslaughter, second-degree murder, and cruelty to children. two sources close to the investigation tell nbc news he is at fault for giving his son the ar-15 style rifle he used to kill his classmates and teachers, a gift given to the teenager just a few months after the authorities investigated him for making online threats to shoot up a school. both father and son appeared in court today. their lawyers declined to seek bail, and both will remain in jail until the next scheduled hearing in december. joining us now in winder, georgia, is nbc news correspondent marissa parra. this is a step further than we've seen in a lot of the other cases. it's even a step further with the charges than the parents of the detroit school shooter? >> reporter: absolutely, katy, and i want to take you to some new reporting that we have that comes from audio released from the jackson county sheriff's

office. this stems from that fbi interview that was done last may, and i'm going to paraphrase for you a little bit of what we heard as well as have some direct quotes. in short, across eight minutes of audio, we heard the fbi asking his father, colin gray, if he was aware of any threats made online from his son regarding school shooting threats and so what we heard in response from the father, quote, i don't know him saying any expletive like that. i'm going to be mad as hell if he did, and all the guns will go away. he continued that i'm trying to teach him about firearms and safety, and, katy, he did add as well that his son was getting picked on at school. remember, that was last may, and law enforcement officials, sources familiar with this, tell nbc news that it was after this interview last may that he gifted his son an ar style rifle. just to recap those charges, you read some of them just now on the screen, when it comes to the father, we know that he has 14

charges that he's facing, including two counts of second-degree murder. eight counts of cruelty to children, and of course, his son, 14-year-old gray being treated and charged as an adult with four counts of felony murder. what we saw in court today, katy, we saw them both appeared separately. they appeared shackled, and colt gray was soft spoken, didn't show much emotion. we did see motion from his father who was rocking back and forth as he was being read those charges, and of course from family members in the room, visibly shaken, katy, all of this as we expect a vigil tonight from the community, as this memorial behind me, outside of this school, continues to grow. >> 54-year-old man understands the full consequences of what's in front of him, understands where he's going, understands that this is the end if he's found convicted. a 14-year-old doesn't get that. they don't understand the world yet. they don't understand their own

selves yet, their minds, their brains aren't fully formed. marissa parra, thank you very much. joining us now, retired nypd detective, director of the black law enforcement alliance, mark claxton, and director of safety and emergency services for a large school district in south carolina. also with us, ucla school of law professor and author of "gunfight the battle over the right to bear arms" in america. adam winkler. is it a good thing to charge the parents here, the dad in this case? >> i think it's really a necessary step to encourage parents to secure their firearms. we have over 400 million guns in america, and that's not going to change anytime soon. so what we need to be sure of is that those guns are stored safely, carried responsibly, and used responsibly. 80% of child school shooters obtain their weapons from families or friends. it's incumbent that we create incentives to keep those families and friends from

providing access to those weapons to young children. >> there has been legislation to encourage, mandate lock boxes for guns. legislation that's been shot down by republicans. we had on a little bit earlier, mark, what j.d. vance was saying about this. he said he didn't like it. but it's a sad fact of life that this is going to happen, and that he says that what needs to happen to prevent it is hardening schools. can you harden schools to prevent this? >> j.d. vance's comments are sad, and kind of dismissive, really, in oversimplifying the allergy issue we're addressing or dealing with. we're getting pretty proficient at responding post incident to these school shootings, and that's a sad statement, when you think about it. the police are tactically more efficient and proficient at responding, even sparing lives of the shooters themselves while

saving, you know, additional life. schools are becoming more skilled at drills and altering drills and the patterns they do these emergency drills with, so that our schools and our staff, our students are more aware of what needs to be done as a reaction to when these -- when the devil comes knocking, so to speak. what we really need to deal with is holistically, and part of that attention need to be focused on actual legislation, and decreasing the number of firearms, not just assault weapons, but hand guns that are in population right now. and we can't consider the over simplification of the additional hardening steps as being effect ich. it won't be effective. we'll continue to have these type of shootings and these killings unnecessarily, until we make some big, bold steps and

commitments to protecting our children, ourselves, our community. >> everything's a soft target. i mean, we've had shootings at parades, fourth of july parades, we've had shootings at the christmas parades. we have had shootings at supermarkets. we have had shootings at splash pads. we've had shootings at bowling alleys, at movie theaters, churches, synagogues. we've had shootings absolutely everywhere. salons, massage parlors, everywhere. and when you take just single shootings with single guns, you can multiply that to every place you can think of. every place is a soft target. how do you harden everything to prevent a crazy person with a gun? mark, i think one of the things that's been bothering me lately, and i've asked this a couple of times. i'm going ask you. where is the -- given that there's so many americans that are horrified by this and want to see more done, and it's a minority of americans that are keeping the status quo, they're

putting pressure on enough legislators to keep the status quo, are you surprised that you haven't seen a more organic collective outrage, an outpouring of outrage on the streets from americans across the country in order to put pressure, broad pressure on our elected officials to change things? >> yeah, i'm not surprised. i am disappointed. and i have been disappointed for a long time. i think many people became really increasingly disappointed when we saw the young people being slaughtered in the schools, and it's really untenable. it cannot continue this way, but it will continue until there are bold steps that are taken, and we can't, as a suggestion or recommendation of a tactic say let's just harden the schools, these schools are having more technology within them. more people assigned to them,

law enforcement personnel assigned to schools. our schools are becoming hardened to the point where it really is having a negative impact on teaching and learning, if you think about it. and we can't continue to traumatize our children by hardening the schools or dealing with those things that feed this level of violence in our society and in our schools. >> again, i think it goes beyond traumatizing kids. the country is traumatized. the shootings are happening everywhere. i want to get your thoughts on that. do you think that the collective outrage marches in the streets. not big marches but we've seen organized with a lot of people, but across this country, really giant ones, would that effect change? >> i think it would. we do live in a democratic society, for all the flaws that our democracy has, and we have seen a real movement with moms demand action, and we have seen how that movement has influenced, for instance, the democratic party. if you go back to 2004, 2008,

the democrats weren't really talking that much about gun violence prevention because they thought it was a loser come election day. we have seen a change, and that issue has become central to the platform of the democratic party, and i think we can see the prosecution of the father of this school shooter as part of a sort of response to that movement. for a long time, parents were not charged with crimes when their kids committed violence, like school shootings because we thought they were victims as well. it was a tragedy for the entire family, but now we realize we have to do more, and we're not going to get the guns off the streets anytime soon, so we have to do everything we can, whether it's safe storage laws, background checks, and whether it's prosecuting the parents who allow their children to get access to weapons and kill people with them. >> that seems like the smallest step we could take, but at least it is a step being taken. gentlemen, thank you very much, coming up next, we got the

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went down to 4.2%. that was good news but only 142,000 jobs added. that's a lot less than economists thought. so you're seeing a slowing job market. >> is that a good thing for interest rates? >> it'sho a what the fed design. they raised interest rates and kept them way up here at 20-year highs to a long time to try to cool off the economy. the economy was rip-roaring and that was spinning off after this inflation.r so this was by design, the fed wanted to slow down the economy. and it did. the question is, now there's a lot of tightening in the system and how much slower will the job market get, we don't know for sure. >> if this ison what the fed wanted, we're waiting for the next interest rate announcement. are they going to lower it by a quarter point, half point, a point? >> if i werea a betting personi would say this number today is consistent with 25 basis points, a quarter of a point. the fed doesn't like to surprise the economy, doesn't like to shock really, so i think you would see gradual. this is still a healthy number overall. you look athe 4.2% unemployment

and 142,000 jobs added. in a vacuum that's still healthy but what we've come from is gang busters for two years. >> recession fears. would he keep talking about that. we haven't hadta a recession ev though people have been screaming theha sky is falling r a year and a half. >> at least. >> at least. what are you thinking? >> thoseor numbers today are no recessionary but they are certainly cooling. you look at the summer. the summer was a look weaker than expected. look at that. july was only 89,000. that's the least number of jobs added since the pandemic, since this recovery. there was hurricane beryl and really hot weather. that hot weather kept some industries sidelined from hiring. there's aed climate piece to th. >> climate piece to everything. >> absolutely. >> appreciate it. coming up, all american eyes should be on the u.s. open tonight, specifically we have an epic semifinal between two friends, two american dudes. we're live in queens next.

. big, big, big, big, big night in queens tonight. two americans are facing off in the u.s. open semifinal. taylor fritz and frances tiafoe will go head-to-head in a win-win situation for our american tennis. joining us now, yasmin, who once again got the luckiest -- >> huge, huge, huge, big. >> i'm not talking about your head. your ego. i'm talking about tennis. >> huge day, katy. it's going to be a huge day. people are already excited and i'm here for it. history in the making. jannik sinner/jack draper behind me. you can hear the cheers coming from inside arthur ashe. jack draper, 25 in the world,

leading sinner, number one in the world. but it's the semis has everybody talking. history in the making. two americans in the semis, the first we've seen in almost 20 years. taylor fritz and our favorite, frances tiafoe. friends, by the way, who sat on an airplane together many years ago when taylor fritz turned to tiafoe and said, i think you and i, buddy, are going to be number one and number two in the world. here they are going off against each other in the semis, at the u.s. open. undoubtedly, one will make it to the u.s. open. it will be tons of rallies, tons of tiafoe at the net, fritz's monster serve as well. i have been speaking to some folks that have been out and about here at the u.s. open. some of them have been drinking some honey juices, but nonetheless, i asked them, who are you rooting for tonight? they said, many of them, rooting for the underdog. granted, there are a lot of underdogs here because all the big names are out.

sinner, of course, is number one so he's not underdog and favored to win. but tiafoe, very much on the minds of all the folks here at the open today. really rooting for the underdog. >> i love frances tiafoe, he has a great story, great attitude. and i love you, yasmin. i love you. >> love you. you like my hat? >> i read in "the new york times" you didn't go to the open unless you got a hat, so i'm glad you got yourself a hat. >> reporter: i got two. >> i'm going to come get it. that's it for me. "deadline white house" starts right now. ♪♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york and it's friday. in the last 90 minutes we witnessed a political bombshell