>> that he was a good person. he would always want to do things. he would take me out when he had something to do. >> you are the apple of his eye, i bet. you love to be with him? >> yeah. >> two families in the great furred aisle valley of california. one of them worth millions, and the other far more. jaclyn reagan: i couldn't believe it. the first thing out of my mouth was there's no way he did this. >> hello. i am craig melvin, and this is daylight. >> i couldn't believe it. the first thing out of my mouth was, there's no way he did this. they have the wrong guy.

>> her mother was nearly killed by a bomb. >> they were coming out to the track, putting in the key, and kaboom. the police told me, this bomb was meant for you. >> they say, who does not like you enough to kill you? >> i can think of no one. >> but the police could. and if the target was a surprise, so was the suspect. but he claimed he was framed, and a man named indian joe could prove it. even he admitted his story sounded crazy. >> it's like watching a tv show. >> you are telling us to go search for the one armed man. >> yes. >> that's all true. >> what else is going on? >> is a maniac out there. ther a devoted mother of three and wife of a church leader.

>> hello, and welcome to dateline. family and faith were everything to honey hoagland, a devoted mother of three and wife of a church leader. so when a car bomb shattered life as she knew it, investigators were baffled. the motive remained a mystery until a stunning twist lead detectives in a direction that was hard to believe -- even for connie herself. here is josh mankiewicz with deadly intent. >> you are looking at 'sthe lif of the hoagland family and san diego. playing out in brief. moments stretching across the years, from the prosaic to the profound. that is the mom, connie, just after she gave birth to son, jonathan. than. here he is six years later after losing a tooth.

>> jonathan, that's a great smile you have there. >> this is his oldest daughter, jill, learning to play golf. and this is her little sister, jaclyn. today, the kids are grown. when we met them, she had a child of her own. jaclyn had gotten married, and jonathan graduated from high's will. looking back, the childhood they described was one of stability and routine. >> just normal happy family, i would say. >> what a church on sundays. we would have movie nights, or family vacations that we were taking. usually disneyland, which is our favorite. everything was just as a family. everything was perfect. >> they all love each other and they had a great marriage. >> exactly. >> the matriarch of the hoagland family was a leader in their church and a professional photographer, who can be heard off-camera. gently directing his children

through these precious kodak moments. >> that was good. keep going. >> i remembered getting sick of it, because we always had to pause and take a picture, the kind of got annoying after a while. looking back, it is nice to see the pictures, i guess. >> the mom, connie, loved being with her family so much that as they grew older, she found a job taking care of toddlers of this day care home. but on september 23rd, 2010, as connie was leaving her job for the day, her life and family were quite literally blown apart. >> a thunderous explosion rocks in east county neighborhood. >> the first thing i said to myself when i heard the ocean is, oh, my goodness. what was that? >> teddy williams is the owner of the day care home. >> i ran out the gate. i come to this point, and i saw

-- because connie's car is rolling at full be, and smacks into my van. i ran around her truck, and this is where i found connie. right here, on her side in the street. >> honey hoagland was her best friend. >> connie was laying on her side, curled up in a ball. i rolled her over. there was glass, there was shrapnel, there were shards of metal everywhere. everywhere. >> teddy knew all the hoagland family cell phone numbers, and she was the one who broke the news. >> i was driving, and my moms truck blew up. and so i immediately pulled over, stopped, and called my dad to ask him what is going on. what do we do? >> what did he say? >> he said, i don't really know all the details. >> the hoagland family gathered at uc san diego medical center,

where connie had been taken for emergency surgery. >> we got to quickly see her rest from the hallway into surgery. it was probably 10 seconds, and i just member telling her, i love you. and you know, being awake, but kinda being out of it. and then that was it. >> seeing her like that, and all the wires coming out of her, and the bags hanging in the blood and all that, it was very shocking. i almost felt sick. >> what did you think it happened? >> i thought her truck malfunctioned. we didn't know. was it an accident? was it the gas tank? what is going on? i didn't know what exactly had happened. >> by now, investigators knew -- this explosion was no accident. because they found bomb fragments embedded inside. it was clear this was an intentional act -- a car bomb -- which got investigators

wondering if it was the work of terrorists. >> almost immediately, we made a plan of how we wanted to sweep the area. we were looking for secondary devices. we didn't want to get hit by a second device of some sort. >> robert luke of the san diego county sheriff's bomb squad and atf agent matt fields are the lead investigators. they quickly learned that something about the day care may have made him a target. >> that particular day care center, we were aware that there were other law enforcement officials had their children in that particular home during the day. >> was it possible someone was out to kill cops and their kids? if so, connie, who always parked in front of the day care, could have been the perfect, yet unwitting delivery system for the bomb. >> they were looking for any suspected domestic terrorist or possible watch list type people

that may be in the area. >> no question that this was an improvised explosive device. >> no. >> and suddenly, they have more questions after they ran connie's address and discovered that, in her neighborhood, two weeks earlier, police had found another bomb. two bombs with one explosive connection. investigators discovered this attack was personal. coming up. had connie or her family been targeted before? >> wow, this is real. >> when dateline continues. ont . plus a fragrance boost button. our noses won't be ignored again.

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exploded outside a san diego daycare center... investigators suspected terrorism. a suspicion that only grew stronger when they realized >> when connie hoagland's truck exploded outside a san diego day care center, investigators suspected terrorism. a suspicion that only grew stronger when they realized that this mom might well be related to another unexploded bomb found two weeks earlier lying in the street just blocks from the hoagland's house. >> this is a device we had not seen in the united states. >> detective chris everett and bomb squad commander john wood had taken that earlier call. between them, they had investigated and disarmed hundreds of was a device is. but this one was a first. >> these particular devices had only been seen in poor

countries. afghanistan and iraq. >> the small but powerful device was hidden in a fedex envelope. but what really got everyone's attention was the detonator linked to a cell phone, and that to you, says what? >> this is somebody that can build a bomb and can set there from anywhere in the world and set it off. >> a bomb squad investigates a suspicious object in rwanda. >> taking no chances, they sent in a robot to disarm the bomb. a firefighter was then put in one of those famous suits to make a final safety check, and found the cell phone detonator at 18 missed calls. only a broken wire had prevented the bomb from going off. >> we are like, wow, this is real. >> police ran the phone numbers, of course, they belonged to untraceable throwaway phones available

almost anywhere. a bomber or bombers had left no trace of themselves. >> the only real clues were found on the fedex envelope. duct tape and soot, suggesting the ball might have fallen off of the underside of a car. and so two weeks later, when connie's truck blew up at the day care home, investigators immediately wondered -- where these two sophisticated bombs really the work of terrorists? or was all of this personal? >> we went through all of those gambits, and had people going out to chase every lead there was to get stuff done. >> and while he was still at the crime scene, detective luke had what seemed to be an odd visit from an old colleague. the former commander of the san diego fire department bomb squad. that is luke to the left of

your screen and -- on the far right. >> he was the first one to contact me as soon as i got on the scene. he tells me he had retired to colorado. he came back to visit some friends in town, and came back to assist us. >> and there was one more thing. >> he turns out to be an acquaintance of the hoagland family, so he knew the victim and the husband. the first thing that popped into my mind is that we have a bombing here. we have a bomb guy on scene who is retired, and now he is also -- have some nexus to do with the family. >> that was definitely a curveball. >> john wood was bomb squad commander than and have the same unsettling concerns. >> is sitting there going, wow. now he's become a suspect. >> this used to have your job. >> exactly. >> so everybody here knows him and trust him and likes him? and is a friend of the family?

and he know how to set these up? >> exactly. >> offering up a potential suspect. connie hoagland's ex-son-in-law, who may have had it in for the family. >> that was absolutely a lead we needed to go out and follow up on immediately. >> because he was the only person you could think of that didn't like donna and larry. >> exactly. >> bound for vegas, a meeting with connie son-in-law. >> she didn't have a negative thing to say about connie in any way, shape, or form. >> more importantly, he had a solid alibi. >> he had receipts to back up he was in a store at one time, and clearly not in san diego. not in california. his alibi all checked out. >> all of which put the guy who fingered him under even more suspicion. meanwhile, investigators put connie's truck upon a lift for a closer inspection.

and in the soot dust on the floor band -- matt beals: this appeared for all intents and purposes to be directed at one person. whoever the driver of that truck was, and in this case connie. josh mankiewicz: back at the hospital... the hoagland family--holding a vigil by >> whoever the driver of that truck was. in this case, connie. >> the hoagland family holding a vigil by connie's bed type. until luke pay them a visit. >> they asked if she had any enemies, if anyone would want to hurt her, or if we could think of anybody, and i couldn't think of anybody. there wasn't anybody. >> i'm guessing the only thing stranger that hearing that your mom is in a bit of mechanics lotion is hearing that it was not an accident, and that it was directed at her

specifically. >> i said, what? i couldn't -- i didn't believe it. i couldn't understand it, and i just started crying, as i didn't know who could do that, would want to do that. >> but it made a strange case all the more baffling. at a san diego area high school addressed to one of their students. his name -- jonathan hoagland. back on san diego's bomb squad scrambling, and i got the towns attention. >> coming up. connie hoagland -- wife, mother, survivor. >> i remember coming out of the truck and putting in the key, and then kaboom. the police told me, this bomb was meant for you. >> but who is trying to kill her? when dateline continues. ine co. the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists,

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hoagland's pickup. and now, there was a mysterious fedex bok addressed to jonathan hoagland, but delivered to his high school. >> i guess it had something to do with the car bomb that happened last week. and maybe from the same person, so we are not sure. >> immediately, the school is shut down. they weren't sure who was going to be involved. >> the box was removed and destroyed. inside, investigators were hoping to find some evidence that could lead them to the bomber. instead, they found party favors that jonathan had forgotten he had ordered for a high school dance. >> something that he was in charge of getting, and he didn't remember it. >> but it shows everybody state of mind at the time. >> the schools close down, the bomb squad is coming out, everything. >> while this particular event appeared to be a bust on finding evidence, they believed

the bomber had to be somebody who knew the hoagland's, who knew where they worked, where they lived, their routines, and had access to their cars. the only problem was that connie, a devout christian and mother of three, had no known enemies. but luke and beals had one witness who might be able to shut them light on that part of their investigation. a witness they have yet to question. connie hoagland. >> i had a sense that she was going to live. i don't know why, but i always knew that she was going to live. i just didn't know how. >> sedated and in icu, after having gone through seven different surgeries, to save her right foot and left leg. and yet, somehow, still alive. >> i remember coming out to the track, putting in the key, and -- kaboom. just a huge explosion. it scared me. at first i thought maybe the airbag went off. >> smoke, flames.

>> smoke started filling up, and i look out the door, and i noticed the tread started to move. in my feet and legs hurt really bad. i could tell, that hurts. i thought, i have to get out of the truck. pushed the door open, started to get out. i did not want to see my injuries. it felt so bad. i felt like my feet were blown off. i was really just laying there. i thought it was a random act. >> and so she says she was stunned when investigators first spoke with her in the hospital. >> the police told me, this bomb was meant for you. and that was weird. i couldn't even digest that. you are kidding? >> and they say to you, who does not like you enough to try to kill you? >> they did ask that. i could think of no one. i really don't have any enemies. they said it is somebody who knows the code on your truck.

it is somebody who knows where you work. >> who knows your routine. >> yes. but it is still nothing. >> is not too many people. that's your husband, your kids, and a couple close friends. >> that is true. but who would do that? got them. >> stated police procedure is to say -- how is your marriage? how is everything in your marriage? >> i said, everything is fine. >> but in her heart, she knew that wasn't quite true. after 25 years of marriage, larry seemed to have grown tired of her. >> the last few years weren't that good, but i thought we were still committed, and just hanging on to the commitment of that time. >> did he act like you didn't care about you anymore? >> yes. >> that has to be heartbreaking. >> yeah, it was. >> did you ever think about leaving larry? >> it never crossed my mind. in the church, divorces really

frowned upon. >> how is larry at the hospital? >> pretty standoffish, which was normal for us at that time. >> the truth is, there are a lot of bored husbands out there in suburbia, but if you ever going to try to assassinate their wives. and connie certainly didn't believe that was the case here. neither did detectives. >> when you first meet larry, ca suspect? >> no, he was not. we didn't really focus on him that much. >> and so the former bomb squad commander remained on everyone's radar screen. he was constantly by larry's side at the hospital, and still wanting to pitch in on the investigation. >> i called and investigator friend of mine is that, can i come in and talk with you? >> detectives thought that the time had come to bring him in for questioning, but before they could speak with him, they received another phone tip. one which would send this investigation and a whole new

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>> welcome back to dateline. i am craig melvin. somebody wanted connie hoagland dead. detectives were convinced the would-be killer was a person close to the married mother of three, and he even had someone in mind. but connie told them she was at a loss. now, investigators were about to get a break that would turn the case and connie's world upside down. here again is josh mankiewicz with deadly intent. >> detectives trying to figure out who would want to killed mild-mannered connie hoagland, hitting nothing but dead ends. until they got a call from the business partner of connie's husband, larry. >> i found a bomb making instructional video and internet searches on her office computer, and i didn't make the searches. >> it seems larry had been looking for some unusual things on the internet. >> we looked at the stuff that he had looked at, and it was

like, wow, this is the exact same bomb we found. >> but they found more than just a list of incriminating websites. >> we find love letters between him, larry hoagland, and a woman by the name olivia. >> the highly moral, god- fearing church leader had been cheating on his wife with a woman who lived across the country. >> what did she tell you? >> that she and larry had been in a relationship for several years. >> larry and leanne, it turned out, were once high school sweetheart. in 2007, leanne, recently divorced and living in pennsylvania, wondered if it was too late for larry and her to take another crack at love. >> she was able to track him down on the internet and placed a call to him. one day while he was at work, at his shop. it was like a spark just totally rekindled into a fire. >> according to leanne, larry

told her that he, too, was getting a divorce, and soon, the two were texting like hormonal teens. you have been my dream girl for his long as i can remember being in love, larry wrote. life is like dry brown toast without you. leanne was equally smitten. i lost you once, do not want to lose you again, she wrote. >> she was preparing for him to come be her husband, and be a part of her life for the rest of her life. >> wiley carried on with leanne in pennsylvania, back in san diego, larry was growing distant from connie, but never mentioned getting a divorce or separating. in fact, he still kept up his family routines, even going to church with them every sunday. >> my dad was a church board member. my mom was really involved with bible studies and women's groups. it was a big part of our lives. we didn't know anything was wrong. i always thought that everything was fine and great.

>> so larry was leading a double life and he was lying to both women and it? >> he had two complete lives. it was really weird. >> connie remembers that time now, but for different reasons. larry told her and the kids that he had gotten a big photo contract in pittsburgh. and for the next three years, larry split his time between california and pennsylvania. >> he said he had a friend out in pennsylvania named bob, and he would go out there and you work for him. we had no reason not to trust him and believe him. >> with years of connie and the kids didn't know. larry was financing his secret life with extra mortgages on their san diego home. >> i thought we were doing fine. i thought it was going to be a good time in our life. >> was suddenly, there is no money. >> it was like, suddenly bankruptcy? >> you have to declare bankruptcy? >> i didn't want to, but larry said, we need to do this.

so i went ahead with that. >> went along? >> yeah. i trusted him. i thought maybe he knew better than i did. >> while larry was deceiving connie and bleeding his own family dry, he was also playing leanne, telling her the timing wasn't right for them to get married, because he couldn't afford to go through with his divorce. as proof, larry even sent leanne the secretly recorded meeting with his lawyer. >> child support at -- >> 1000. >> leanne's response to this video, text after text basically telling larry to put up or shut up. i've heard it all so many times, she wrote. i am tired of it all. if you love me like you say, we still wouldn't be doing this. i am ready to move on. two weeks after that text, larry was in pennsylvania trying to patch things up with

leanne when the cell phone log was discovered in the hoagland neighborhood. >> matt, matt, we got it with a girlfriend in pittsburgh. this is all that we are finding. we are finding love cards. all of this is building in one day. so you got this whole package right there, so it is all right in the nutshell. and then there's booking. >> larry was arrested that night. but at that point, the hoagland family had no idea he was even being investigated. so when jaclyn got a 2:00 a.m. call from her sister, jill, with news about their dad, she was blindsided. >> my sister said, he has been arrested. he is in jail, and i couldn't believe it. and i think the first thing out of my mouth -- there's no way. they have the wrong guy. >> the evidence against larry was circumstantial. no fingerprints, no dna,

nothing to physically connect him with either bomb. and that made investigators take another look at eric stonehocker, who was asked to come down to his own fire station for an interview. this was not going to be a friendly chat with his old work buddies. >> when they asked me if i will be willing to take a polygraph, is like, wait a minute. you guys know me. you should know better than that. and then i realized, you know, the best way to make sure that i am clear in their eyes was to take a polygraph. right after he was finished, they said, you passed. >> he was nothing more than the right -- >> everything came up clean. it was just coincidence. >> they were not convinced larry was the bomber, that he was in it alone. but larry hoagland, the husband, father of three, and man of god had a ready explanation when he sat down with me.

he had been framed. >> i did not try to kill my wife. there's somebody out there who is possible for this. is a maniac out there. >> larry hoagland tells his side of the story, and even he admits it sounds crazy. is it? >> coming up. >> is a guy out there watching dateline. i would be the first person to say, this guy is full of baloney. >> when dateline continues. ne because a lot can happen in 48 hours. cetaphil. we do skin. you do you. finish ultimate, engineered for the toughest conditions. dry, burnt-on stains, old dishwashers, very hard water. finish ultimate with cyclesync technology helps deliver the ultimate clean. (♪♪)

larry hoagland was booked into san helps deliver the ultimate clean. diego county's curiously namedgeorge bailey detention facility. a different george bailey, you may recall, >> after his arrest, larry hoagland was booked at a san diego county's curiously named george bailey detention facility. a different george bailey, you may recall, was jimmy stewart's character in it's a wonderful life. which actually describe larry hoagland's life at one point. good friends, a loving family -- the respect of his community. by the time i sat down across from larry, much of that had evaporated. he stood accused of trying to kill his wife with a pipe bomb. and his first words to me were that police had the wrong man. >> i did not try to kill my wife. i am adamant about this. >> the only thing larry said was true was that he did have an affair. >> i was cheating on my wife, i

was cheating on my family. >> you are carrying on with somebody else? the mech yes, yes i was. that was pretty much it, yes. i let a lot of people down. i forced a lot of people, i did. >> is is the worst thing you've done? >> yes. besides adultery, yeah. >> because what you are in here for pretty much tops it off. >> i did not try to kill my wife. i did not. i had nothing to do with what happened to connie. there is someone out there who is responsible for the whole thing. there's a maniac out there. >> the whole thing, meaning trying to kill your wife and then framing you for it. >> fiction is -- >> who has reason to do that? you are planning to leave your wife and your family.

and you didn't want to be the alimony, and you try to kill her. >> alimony was nothing. and i tell you all these things because it is the truth. i am not going to stand behind and start explaining details after details. i just have to tell you it is the truth. >> briefly tell me -- and i only say briefly because i don't how much time we have, who framed you, and why would they do that? >> larry wasn't able to explain it briefly. the story goes like this. larry claimed there were a number of transient who parked their motorhomes in the industrial park around his oldest video. and that he, larry, living out his christian faith, let those transients piggyback off his wi- fi at night. and that one of those transients, a guy named jerry, did the bomb making internet searches -- not larry. >> you believe the jerry, with his wi-fi internet access, is

responsible for the computer searches that were found in the investigation? >> i believe so. >> and in truth, when cops arrested larry, they knew there is no physical proof connecting him to those internet searches, and so they continued to dig. >> larry had a lot of stuff in his wallet, a lot of pocket trash, business cards, pieces of paper, receipts. i would want to sit on his wallet. >> was going through his wallet, beals found this phone number written on a little slip of vapor. >> i said holy cow. this first number is the phone number. i keep going to the contents of the wallet, here's the second number. >> that's right. larry hoagland had, in his wallet, the numbers of both cell phones uses detonators on the first bomb -- the one that didn't explode. >> that's an unbelievable piece of luck.

>> i like to call it investigative genius, but yeah, it was fantastic to find that out. >> and that ties larry to the unexploded bomb. be back exactly. >> if you're thinking it would be hard to explain away that evidence, then you don't know larry hoagland. >> jerry gave them to me. that man gave them to me. that's why i say he has everything to do with this. >> he gave you that number, like this is how you reach me? and then he give you a second one?'s >> yeah. he said it's my wife's phone number. i said fine, so i grabbed a piece of paper and wrote it down. >> all of that to frame you for murder -- to what possible end? for what conceivable reason? how does that benefit him? >> it's obviously got a maniacal person on our hands here. >> tell me what you know about jerry. >> i know very little about jerry. i know what he looks like. >> what does he look like? >> tall, wavy hair, salt and

pepper. i would guess he is late 20s or early 30s. always needed a shave. >> larry said there was one transient who could back of the story. >> and his name is -- >> indian joe. he's been out there for quite some time. >> if we find joe, he will be able to lead us to jerry? >> i certainly hope so. because joe, to my knowledge, knows everybody in the neighborhood. >> it sound like a crazy story, and larry well knew. >> if i was out there watching dateline, i would be the first to say this guy is a full of baloney. it's like watching a tv show. >> you are telling us to go search for the one armed man. >> yes. that's a good analogy. yes. >> and so we went to try to check out larry's story. was he telling the truth this time? or was it a lie, just like the

ones he told his family? an area around this photo studio, an industrial area near the freeway full of warehouses and alleys, in search of an indian joe who might lead us to jerry. we found this old rv, and inside -- >> indian joe. >> coming up. larry hoagland's wild story seems to be checking out. >> he left it on all night for us we can look at emails, surf the net. >> a nice guy. >> really a nice guy. >> when dateline continues. ne and it makes me feel pretty good about my heart condition. kardiamobile is proven to detect atrial fibrillation. and it's fda-cleared to detect normal heart rhythm, bradycardia and tachycardia. i mean, you might as well be in doctor's office. get yours today for just $79 at kardia.com or amazon.

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the moment i met him i knew he was my soulmate. ♪ burnt-on stains, get outshined ♪ "soulmates." soulmate! [giggles] why do you need me? [laughs sarcastically] but then we switched to t-mobile 5g home internet. and now his attention is spent elsewhere. but i'm thinking of her the whole time. that's so much worse. why is that thing in bed with you? this is where it gets the best signal from the cell tower! i've tried everywhere else in the house! there's always a new excuse. well if we got xfinity you wouldn't have to mess around with the connection. therapy's tough, huh? -mmm. it's like a lot about me. [laughs] a home router should never be a home wrecker.

oo this is a good book title. josh mankiewicz: larry hoagland... in jail for allegedly trying to kill his wife with a pipe bomb, had an alibi that sounded like a movie plot... >> larry hoagland, in jail for allegedly trying to kill his wife with a pipe bomb, had an alibi that sounded like a movie plot. that he had been framed by a mystery man using larry's wi-fi. larry told us a man named indian joe could confirm his story. >> hey, how's it going? >> you are joe? the mac yes. >> much to our surprise, indian joe turned out to be real. >> he left it on all night for us. he was a nice guy. really a nice guy. kind of -- kind of larry milquetoast. kinda really quiet. >> so far, this part of larry's range story checked out.

what about the crucial part that larry promised would exonerate him and prove he had been framed? >> larry tells us about a guy named jerry who was, like you, w came up, park nearby, use the wi-fi signal. a guy who was about six feet tall, dark hair like mine, but maybe darker than mine, lady hair, slender build. ringing a bell? >> no. i have known everybody who comes around, and there was nobody. indian joe: i know. there's nobody fitting description. >> because that is fairly important to larry, who is now behind bars. >> when you got on the internet, did you look up how to build a pipe bomb?

did you try any of those things? and everybody was like, why would i do that ? and it's like, this is just -- i am afraid it is just fantasy. >> that was not the news larry was expecting to hear. or was it? >> we found joe. >> wonderful. >> we talked to joe. >> great. >> is never heard of jerry. >> anybody that resembles my description of jerry? >> so you're not sure of the guy's name? >> i've never been sure of the guys name. i called him jerry. i wasn't positive his name was jerry. >> joe says he doesn't know anyone like that. can't help us. and he wasn't unhelpful. he was actually quite willing to talk with us. he says he doesn't know anything about it. >> that is very disheartening. >> is a really a jerry? >> yes, there is.

there is a man out there who is responsible for this. and i am not him. >> i got to ask you -- i mean, did you think about just getting divorced? >> yes. >> if you had just gotten divorced, none of this would have happened. you wouldn't be in there, i wouldn't be here talking to you. you would be in pennsylvania with your girlfriend and your wife would be angry at you. >> which would not have been the right thing to do to my family, in hindsight. >> but it beats murder. >> our interview finally ended. larry conceded to his guard that we weren't buying his story. story. while larry admitted liar, he never admitted to the bombing attempts, and -- would try to kill her. not until larry called her shortly after he was arrested,

while connie was still in the hospital. >> he said, i want you to know we've been having an affair before it gets out. and since the accident, i have a dedicated to you. and then he said, i didn't do it. when he said he was dedicated to me, it's like a light bulb went off. like, he is lying. and i knew, you know what? he did it. >> just from that one phrase, that he was dedicated to you? >> right. weird. as i knew he wasn't. it's like my mind was opened at that time. it's you. >> 19 months later, connie painfully pulled herself into court and testified against the man who had once promised to love, honor, and cherish her as long as we both shall live. >> my ears were ringing. it was so loud. >> larry's defense -- the same

story he shared with us. he had been framed by the mysterious jerry. to no one's surprise, the jury didn't buy it. >> we the jury find the defendant, lawrence gerald hoagland, guilty of the crime of attempted murder. >> good morning, ladies and gentlemen. two years and after today i will never see or speak to him again... >> and almost two years. and after today, i will never see or speak to him again. >> larry, you discussed me. he does not deserve or have the right to refer to us as his family anymore. when larry dies in prison, no one will shed a tear. >> i exercise my divine right to wash my hands of you. your soul is of no concern or

consequence to me. and no you -- you will live your . >> words that some dads might consider a punishment harsher than a life in prison. which is, in fact, the sentence larry received. life +13 years. >> you guys feel like you're better off? >> oh, yeah. >> i know it's weird to think that after all of this -- but we are. we are closer and we know each other better and we have seen each other at our lowest. but we are closer, and we are all stronger as a family. >> two and half years after the bombing, connie was up and walking unassisted. on this night, heading to -- jn you went into court and stared him down-- what was larry thinking?

you tell me. connie hoagland: i think he just still thought that i didn't think he did it. josh mankiewicz: i -- i sort of get the feeling that maybe larry thought that you were the kind of person who wouldn't have the strength to testify again him. connie hoagland: i think you're right. i think he just didn't know me as well as he thought he did. josh mankiewicz: boy, was he wrong. >> may be larry thought that you were the kind of person who would have the strength to testify against him. >> i think you are right. i think he just didn't know me as well as he thought he did. >> was he wrong? >> he was. he didn't know me at all. >> that is all for this edition of dateline. i am craig melvin. inc. you for watching. . busy week