take it away from the other room. >> you are in the building, just right over there. it just hit me that you guys are here because we are all doing this msnbc palooza this afternoon in brooklyn. looking forward to it. >> will be there. >> have a good lunch, it's going to be a long day. >> velshi starts now. good morning, it is saturday, september 7th. the longest election in the history of humanity is 59 days away. the election itself is about to go live because the period between labor day and election day is the final sprint. this is when things really ramp up. the first votes of the 2024

general election will soon be cast. a handful of states are scheduled to mail out absentee ballots in the coming days. north carolina was supposed to be the first state to send out ballots yesterday, but that was delayed last minute due to a lawsuit filed by robert f kennedy junior who dropped out of the presidential race two weeks ago, but now he wants his name removed from the ballot to prevent spoiling the candidacy of donald trump. more than 130,000 voters registered in north carolina have requested absentee ballots so far but it is unclear when they will receive them because the state may have to reprint the ballots which is an effort that could add days to the delay. meanwhile, among the other states scheduled to begin early voting are illinois, minnesota, virginia and pennsylvania. a swing state that figures heavily into both campaign

electoral strategies. all of that is happening against new developments in the presidential campaign, as well as donald trump's legal bowels.- - battles. yesterday, a judge postponed his sentencing in the house many case until after the election, he was scheduled to be sentenced on september 18th and now pushed back until november 26th. leaving voters guessing whether or not he could face jail time. donald trump was also back in a courtroom yesterday, for a hearing regarding his appeal in one of the cases brought by the writer e. jean carroll. trump and his lawyers are attending to overturn a verdict found her liable for sexually abusing and defaming her. after the verdict, he gave another rambling speech that was difficult to follow and largely served to remind the public of his long history of mistreatment of women and the numerous allegations that have been made against him beyond the one brought by e. jean

carroll. >> think of the impracticality of this. i'm famous, i am in a plane, the blur in the blame. and i am looking at a woman and i grab her and start kissing her and making out with her. what are the chances of that happening? and frankly, i know you're going to say it's a terrible thing, but it couldn't have happened. it didn't happen. and she would not have been the chosen one. she would not have been the chosen one. >> just think about that one. she would not have been the chosen one. so it, sexual assault or abuse didn't happen, what if it did happen? if i were going to sexually abuse someone, that wouldn't be the person i would. just think about that. it was incoherent, offensive, misogynistic. these are part of the reasons

why there are a growing list of republicans not only voicing opposition throwing their support behind kamala harris. during an event in north carolina on thursday, the former republican congresswoman liz cheney confirmed she will be voting for the democratic nominee. yesterday, her father emma vos president cheney confirmed he will do the same. he said "there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic that donald trump. he tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters rejected him. he can never be trusted with power again." "as citizens, we each have a duty to put country above partisanship. that is why i will be casting my vote for vice president kamala harris." as for harris, she kept a low profile. getting ready to face the next hurdle. the democratic nominee has been in pittsburgh, preparing for tuesday's highly anticipated debate which will mark the first time that harrison trump will ever meet in person.

joining me now is the political strategist and campaign strategist who previously served for the elizabeth warren 2020 campaign. she's also the host of the podcast "when we went" with my rupert. do you know but aloe-- he is a columnist for the msnbc daily newsletter. welcome to both of you. great to have you in person. we've been talking for years and years. you are a policy guru. you know these things, you have worked for candidates. you seem to be attracted to candidates who have deep policy benches. which brings me to donald trump's speech at the economic club. in which he was asked a simple question about healthcare policy after kamala harris had outlined hers in detail. and he just rambled on and carried on about tariffs on

other countries. there is no policy. i think this is important. for guys like me who want to compare policy there is no policy. >> it's really interesting, for a few weeks we started hearing from republicans urging donald trump, make this about policy, don't make it about personal attacks. >> can't do it. >> a fascinating thing to ask of someone who very clearly cannot do that. what he spoke about in that speech, one a very straightforward question was asked, working for families are getting squeezed on costs, what would you do? talking about tariffs. again, you have to have a generous reading of what he said to say it was a policy. but he doesn't give any, economists agree and economists never agree, those terrorists, unless he is also going after corporate price gouging.

we are going to pay for it. the same families he is talking about are going to pay more. >> he is forcing inflation. >> exactly. unless he can .2, this is the legislation i am supporting, this is how i would be getting my colleagues who have blocked affordable childcare every time it's come up, they are not getting specific. that is what people want to hear right. he needs to say, this is what i'm going to do. >> is an argument about how much of donald trump we should error or not air. i am fully on the page of hearing lots of donald trump because of what he says. as a lawyer, i want to remind people, that comment he made about sexual assault. wouldn't have been my choice. it is a discredited trope that sexual assault is about whether you are attracted to someone or physical attraction or any of that. it is violence and it's about power.

>> absolutely. going slightly back, he said the idea that i just grabbed her and started kissing her, we saw the access hollywood tape. you bragged about doing that. i don't have to wait, i can grab her and start kissing her. he literally confessed to what he did to the woman on the plane. what maya and others have said about donald trump on policy , his brain is broken. his brain doesn't work the way it did. but he knows this. the message is not policy. they are saying sexism and racism. he knows it and we know it. no one knows his face better than donald trump. demeaning a woman gets people excited. that is what this man is about. he is on a message that he

believes will help him when. >> at the economic club, that wasn't a rally. the only people in that room were economists, journalists, business people and economic journalists. nobody booed. i am a member. i am embarrassed. this is the second time i've said this on tv and they will tell me to give up my membership. if they want, i'll do it. it's embarrassing. everyone in that room should've been doing or yelling out terrorists don't actually make things cheaper for people. >> that is such an important point. donald trump cannot get a different bar. he needs to get covered as someone who is trying to be the president of the united states. who very clearly does not understand what working families are dealing with. and it does not have a plan to help anyone. and that has to be if he can stand on that stage and come up with this is what i'm going to do, speak to not a rally of

voters but to independents who are voting this into a-- and who are not animated by racism and sexism. everyone needs to respond and hold him accountable for what he actually says. >> including those of us who understand economics, who are in rooms where he lies and it does things like this. going back to your lawyer days, the debate is going to be between a prosecutor and a criminal. but in the court, you don't play to the person being prosecuted, you play to a jury and judge. what happens on tuesday? kamala harris does not seem to get rattled by donald trump. she needs to not go for him in the debate, she needs to convince everybody else who is watching that this is who he is. >> i think the biggest challenge for her and we know what trump is going to say, we know the lies he is going to

say. he repeats them all the time. like everyone wanted all roe v. wade overturned. how do you deal with that? do you go line number seven line number eight. or do you have a little pin that lights up and keeps updating the number of lies. it's been eight seconds since donald trump last lied. it's not a hard challenge, she is up to it. how do you call out the lies that are important and not spend your time fact checking? the moderators are not going to. she will prosecute him the way she did with brett kavanaugh. she will cross-examine where she can. on the important issues. she has a great sense of humor, i hope we see that as well. >> she does. the humor they tried to use against her and they're laughing. maya, what should she do in terms of policy? she is comfortable discussing policy. we saw that in the interview with the unabashed on cnn. donald trump doesn't deliver a

lot of that. does it pay her to lean into policy? when people you've worked with have lee did do it, when elizabeth warren leaned into it, i thought it was great. some people thought that was policy. what do you do in a case like this where people want answers, but they fall for his nonsense? >> i think elizabeth warren is a perfect example of this. she leaned into her strength, and she spoke about issues and spoke about as someone who understands them. that is what i think people are looking for. there are a lot of people for whom policy will make the decision but they won't say i am a policy voter. i need to know that you understand this issue and you are connecting with this the way i am and understand what my family is dealing with. i think kamala harris does that incredibly well. and that is what she needs to do. i think that the tough thing

about this situation is donald trump, he is going to go out there and lie. when you are willing to lie, you can say anything and she is going to be constrained by trh. lly wanting to say the it sets up what could be a difficult situation. if she benzene-- leans in to what she does well, i think that is where she is the strongest. >> great to see you both. maya rupert is a political strategist, campaign manager, former senior adviser for elizabeth warren. dean obeidallah is an attorney, host of "the dean obeidallah show ?. this tuesday, join rachel maddow and team as they hold special analysis and coverage of the first debate of kamala harris and donald trump. beginning at 7:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc.

coming up, a woman whose health and fertility fell subject to a post row crackdown. telling her story in a brand- new campaign ad for kamala harris. she will join us from the campaign trail. we've come to expect empty thoughts and empty prayers from republicans. we will find even worse when we open up our copy of project that 2025 to examine this document's plans for gun policy in the next presidency. preside to make my home smell amazing. on my bed... my couch... my jacket or jeans in between washes... even shoes. febreze doesn't cover up odors with scent, but fights them... and freshens! over one thousand uses. febreze fabric refresher.

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consider themselves supporters of women's right to choose an abortion, it does not feel true that abortion is healthcare. and that's because the antiabortion movement in a very effective job over the decades peddling lies and disinformation about abortion. polling has consistently shown that most americans never believe the most extreme misinformation, that abortion is murder for example. but it is a subject that made a lot of people uncomfortable. most people who knew enough about back alleys and coat hangers understood that abortion was necessary, but it was also an uncomfortable discussion. not only did most people not want to talk about it, relative you flew were willing to defend it. the loudest voices were always the ones shouting about abortion, lies about abortion. only now, in this brutal post roe era marked by stories of women leading out in parking lots and nearly dying of infections, losing their organs because their doctors were barred from giving them

lifesaving abortions that were needed to manage their miscarriages. only now against this real-life dystopian backdrop are we as a country beginning to understand that abortion is healthcare. the american medical association says it, the college of obstetrics and gynecologists says it, the american academy of pediatrics says it, every reputable scientific research organization understands that abortion is healthcare. if you been abortion, you been healthcare for women. that has also been true. the people behind the antiabortion movement who worked for decades to overturn roe v. wade have always known that to be true. they know when they voted to defund planned parenthood that they are not only defending abortion, but also yearly checkups, cancer screenings, birth control, basic healthcare for women. they know that banning abortion is banning lifesaving care for pregnant patients who are miscarrying. to be quite clear, they also know that forced birth of any

kind for anyone who cannot or does not want to remain pregnant is immoral and literally a human rights violation. according to amnesty international and the united states. nations. they know that when they pledge to endow and protect fertilized eggs with legal rights, which they do in project 2025, that they would not just be banning abortion and some forms of birth control, but also banning fertility treatments like ivf that have helped millions. they know all of this. and they do not care. because the most foundational light of the movement has always been that they are in any way concerned with the health and safety of babies. they are not. everyone of these wish list crackdowns that are becoming reality is the same. each one of these antiabortion laws exerts government control over women exclusively.

not men. that is what they wanted all along and that is what they are getting. after a quick break, i will talk to a woman whose healthcare and fertility become subject to that state control and hear the story of how she is fighting back. ighting back.

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the court ruled that alabama's wrongful death act, which allows minors-- parents to sue for damages applied. "to all unborn children, regardless of their location." apart from the crude reference to a woman's body as a location, this ruling threatened to and ivf in alabama because the process typically fertilizes more eggs than will be used and not all embryos survive the process. the alabama legislature did pass a bill in a vivid-- bid to restart, but the clinic involved in the decision said the language wasn't clear enough to protect them. fetal personhood has long been a staple of the antiabortion movement, but this extended beyond fetal personhood, reaching for embryonic personhood. even outside the womb. throughout the ruling, justice j mitchell of the alabama supreme court refers to fertilized eggs as extra

uterine children. extra uterine children. embryos. almost immediately, people felt the effect of this ruling. our next guest, latorya beasley, wanted to grow her family through ivf and was presented-- prevented from doing so through this ruling. she is now telling her story in a brand-new ad from the harris walls campaign which you are getting a first look at right now. >> ivf is a miracle for us. it allowed us to have our family. after having my daughter, i wanted more children. but my embryo transfer was canceled eight days before the procedure. donald trump overturning roe v. wade stopped us from growing the family that we wanted. i don't want politicians telling me how or when i can have a baby. we need a president that will protect our rights. that is kamala harris. >> latorya beasley joins me

now. welcome, thank you for being with us. i am sorry about the reason. that you have become involved in this campaign. but let's start with your story. your ivf procedure canceled eight days before it was scheduled. take us back to that moment and how it all unfolded >> thank you for having me. i was actually in a doctor's office when my doctor came in and she said you know, you might want to call my husband, and she just kind of walked us through what was happening. she said i don't know right now, we are going to move forward but there is a possibility that you won't be able to move forward with your embryo transfer. and the very next day, we got a call that our clinic had closed down. >> oh my god. were you given options or did you know what you would do next? try to go somewhere else? >> we weren't given any

options. trying to go somewhere else wasn't an option, because carriers didn't want to have to handle embryos either because they were afraid of prosecution. they weren't releasing any embryos, there were no options. the option was, let's wait and see what happens. call your legislators. get on the phone, email, see what happens. >> that is literally where you are now. having to take to the political process to fix this. there were a lot of people who said that was a mistake by the alabama supreme court. but that is not what the fall of roe was intended for. the argument of the people make is reproductive control is what it's all about. the fall of roe and the things that are happening across the country are actually the point. >> right. just the overturning of roe v. wade unleashed a full-spectrum and attack on reproductive healthcare.

and we saw firsthand that the overturning of roe v. wade was not just going to impact abortions. it impacted reproductive healthcare as a full-spectrum. >> when you heard that the legislature did something to clarify this, that still didn't solve the problem. explain that to me, it felt like the legislature said the law is not the way the courts interpret it, let's make it clearer. but the courts said not clear enough for us. >> yeah, i think it was a band- aid. put a band-aid over the problem temporarily for the clinics to open back up, but there are still questions. we have embryos that are frozen that we don't intend to move forward with because they are not viable. and we can't do anything with those embryos at this point. we are paying to have those embryos stored even though we know we can do anything with

those. >> the language that the alabama supreme court used in the decision that ultimately blocked your procedure called frozen embryos "extra uterine children". i don't know whether that is a deliberate misunderstanding of what embryos are or one that is made by people who don't understand the reproductive process. but i guess it underscores why judges and politicians shouldn't be in charge of women's reproductive rights. >> i think you hit the nail on the head, because we wish that every embryo would turn into a successful or and with a baby in our arms, but that is just not the case. in many scenarios, you go through the transfer and it does not result in a full-term identity that results with a baby in your arms. it just shows that you don't know what's going on. and you should stay out of it.

>> you speak about staying out of it, you are not staying out of it. how did you connect with the harris campaign and how does it feel to be the face of this issue? >> i don't know about the face, but it's been really interesting and fun. i did not expect this at all. when the ruling came down and my clinic closed, i was very sad but i instantly went into mama bear mode. i have to fight back. no matter how uncomfortable it might be to tell my story, i just vowed that if anyone would listen, i would talk. here i am today on the campaign trail. >> i am glad that you are in mama bear mode. great to meet you, thank you for being with us today. latorya beasley from alabama. gun safety advocates are calling it a race to the bottom. we are going to crack open project 2025 and agenda 47 to see what donald trump has in store for gun policy if he

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single show we will go inside a project 2025. today, our deep dive is going to focus on the blueprint proposals on gun policy. if the gun rights lobby has its way, when distracted-- wednesdays tragic shooting will be reduced to another statistic. if donald trump returns to office, the unholy alliance with the corporate gun lobby could be cemented into federal law. both project 2025 and donald trump's official policy platform agenda 47 aim to shield the gun industry with layers of protection. for context, will trump has been trying to distance himself from the heritage foundation's far right manifesto, the proposals in agenda 47 mirror project 2025 stages objectives and in many cases they go even further. in fact, campaign officials acknowledged in 2023 before the public caught wind of 2025 that project 2025 aligns well with trump's agenda 47 which is

featured on his campaign website and includes multiple links to the heritage foundation's work. that is the very same heritage foundation whose project 2025 trump continues to try to distance himself from. agenda 47 began rolling out in december of 2022. followed by the heritage foundation's release of project 2025. in april of 2023, so today we are going to take a look at both policy playbooks to understand what another trump turbine is going to look like with respect to america's gun laws. the proposals would grant the gun lobby essentially everything on its wish list, including making it easier to sell dangerous firearms for weakening concealed carry laws, and overturning state fans on assault weapons. in spite of the fact that most americans support strong gun control laws. specifically, a survey from the pew research center finds that a majority of americans support

banning assault weapons, a term used to describe certain semi automatic weapons including ar- 15 style rifles like the kind used in this week's shooting in georgia. fewer than one third support allowing expensive gun laws like concealed carry without a permit. either way, this has never been about protecting second amendment rights for ordinary gun owners, despite talking points. it's always been about the gop's dangerous alliance with the corporate gun lobby. that is reflected in the budget proposal advanced by the far right caucus known as the republican study committee which adopts proposals from agenda 47 and project 2025. including the concealed carry reciprocity act, which is the nra's top just laid a priority which would overturn state laws about carrying concealed firearms and allow guns to be more easily transported across state lines. in the agenda 47 page, trump

explicitly states "i will sign concealed carry reciprocity. your second amendment does not end at the state line." this law faces each state to recognize the concealed carry standards of every other state even the states that have dramatically weaker standards or those that don't require any permit at all. gun control advocates describe this as a race to the bottom for public safety. according to the group every town for gun safety, that would be no different than "forcing states to let visitors drive on their highways without a drivers license and without having passed and i, written or road test. could be armed without being screened by a background check, and law enforcement would have no permit to evaluate." that is why leading law enforcement groups have opposed the legislation. once again, looser gun laws are not a priority for republican voters or police departments. it serves mainly the interest of the corporate gun lobby. the irony here is that this

proposed law blatantly disregards state sovereignty, meaning the party that publicly champions limiting the federal government is violating its own core principles through project 2025. from reproductive rights to gun control, today's gop has shown its willingness to sacrifice state rights if it allows them to impose extremist agendas. the gun industry is working in tandem to overturn all state bands on ar-15 style weapons. while the gop tries to put this through congress, gun rights groups are suing to overturn maryland bands on assault style weapons, including the ar-15 type, which is the weapon of choice in mass shootings. the supreme court is slated to hear the case this call after the fourth circuit recently upheld the band, describing it as too destructive for self- defense and best suited for wreaking death and destruction.

federal judge harvey wilkinson who offered the majority opinion, quoted a trauma surgeon who likened being shot in the liver to a watermelon exploding on concrete. instead of placing blame on the financial benefactor, the corporate gun lobby, agenda 47 cynically diverts attention by targeting a popular gop scapegoat. the lgbtq plus community. in a section addressing school violence, trump proposes directing the food and drug administration to assemble a "independent outside panel to investigate whether transgender hormone treatments and ideology increase the risk of extreme depression aggression and violence". okay, the gun violence archive, which began collecting gun violence in 2013 sound-- found that the percentage of suspects who are trans-is 0.01%. another alarming part of project 2025 essentially

cripples existing regulations. on page 709, project 2025 calls for transferring the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives, responsible for regulating firearms, from the justice department to the treasury department. this shift would dramatically weaken our ability to enforce gun laws by making it nearly impossible to track the sale of dangerous firearms, leading to increased gun trafficking and making it more challenging to investigate crimes. and lastly, trump's agenda 47 calls for arming teachers with guns. and "to support federal funding to hire trade gun owners as armed guards." despite a johns hopkins survey showing that less than a quarter, only 23% of americans support allowing civilians to carry guns on school grounds. the proposal reflects the long- standing policy of shifting responsibility for public safety from the gun industry to schoolchildren and

administrators. in the absence of political will, schoolchildren are left scrambling for band-aid solutions. with classrooms increasingly reasonably maximum-security prisons, consider this "they refer to abortion access as the grotesque culture of violence against the child in the womb." i will respect-- repeat that. the grotesque culture of violence against the child in the womb. it seems once they are out of the womb, the gop is practically content with having them fend for themselves in the face of unchecked gun violence. extreme proposals outlined in project 2025 and agenda 47 will take a sledgehammer to the already limited gun control we have, leaving us scrambling for more unique defenses against the uniquely american public health crisis of gun violence. .

i told you about the plans in project 2025 and its counterpart have forgetting gun control in this country. joining me to discuss is chris brown. chris advocated for the gun control bill that would eventually become the brady bill that requires background checks on federally licensed gun sales. the brady bill was signed into law in 1993 and took effect in 1994. thanks for being with us. the proposals in both project 25 and agenda 47 are perfectly aligned with nra goals, including efforts to under-- overturn state bans on assault style weapons. tell me about the role that the protection racket that is the nra and the gun rights groups are playing. >> thanks for having me. indeed, you are exactly right. it is not just these documents, as you noted in the segment before, it is a top priority of

the national rifle association and extremist gun rights groups to pass what they label concealed carry reciprocity. basically what that would do is undo all of the permitting systems that exist in states across the country. that is what it would do. the agenda is very clear. it is to sell as many guns to as many people as possible and remove every public safety measure in place to allow that to happen. it is profit-seeking. the nra and other gun rights groups could care less that gun violence if the number one killer of our kids and same with donald trump. let's believe him when he says about school shootings we should just "get over it". no one is getting over this. all of us feel at risk and the solutions before us are really simple. >> jd vance said this week that it is a fact of life.

the proposal is aiming to shift the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives from the justice department to the treasury department. do you have any sense of how this would enforce or have an impact on the enforcement of gun laws already in place? >> it would really got effective enforcement of gun laws at the federal level. let me just explain why that is so drastic. and potentially very deadly. george w. bush is the one who switched enforcement power of the atf from department of treasury to doj. the reason he did that is the atf is the top cop of gun dealers in this country. we have more gun dealers then we have mcdonald's and start starbucks combined. 5% of them are responsible for 90% of the guns recovered in crime. atf under doj actually can help

target which dealers are need to be expected to ensure that when there are violations of the law, there is coordination between atf and doj to prosecute dealers who are violating the law. if you want to defang all of that and effectively allow dealers to go unregulated, what would you do? take it out of doj and put it into treasury. that is why he is doing that. >> project 2025 is full of proposals like that that laypeople might not understand what the implications are. and they sort of go unnoticed and that is why we have people like you to make us understand what exactly is going on. great to talk to you. kris brown is the president of brady united against gun violence. coming up on another hour of "velshi" , donald trump is still spewing lies, nonsense and hate outside of court. plus, why economists are

worrying another-- warning another term presidency could bring economic downturn. i will also call to order this week's meeting of the "velshi" banned book club. another hour of "velshi" begins right now. a morning. it is saturday september the 7th. we are now entering one of the most active phases of the election cycle, the period between labor day and election day. it is often referred to as the final sprint of the campaign season because this is when things really ramp up. the first votes of the 2024 general election will soon be cast with a handful of states scheduled to mail out absentee ballots in the coming days and or offer in person voting options. north carolina was supposed to be the first day to send out ballots yesterday but that was delayed to the last minute due