off against jannik, and in just a few hours, the highly anticipated women's final begins. >> it is a childhood dream, it's what i wanted when i was a kid.>> reporter: the american in her first grand slam final and with home-court advantage. >> to be able to overcome all those challenges and say that i get a chance at the title saturday is what we play for as players.>> reporter: for the fans, this is already a grand slam we will never forget. >> it is fantastic, i love just being here, the ambience, the energy, the positivity in the crowd.>> it really is an experience. >> reporter: alex, the last time an american man and woman went to the u.s. open final,

that was 2002 so people are incredibly excited right now and they know they are going to get to see history happen this weekend.>> okay, got to go, that is a wrap for me on this edition of alex witt reports, up next, the beat weekend. welcome to the beat weekend, let's get right into the headlines. most people think you don't want a rookie piloting your plane, voters, and we can show this across history, generally prefer people with some governing experience for the job of running the entire government, which makes sense. and that is why it is pretty common to attack a candidate going after their experience and qualifications. so, here is our special report about something that really matters and you might hear about in the debate next week

and over the next two months. president biden spent his life in government, just so everybody knows that. when democrats began eyeing harris as his replacement, republicans rushed to question her competence. let me remind you, donald trump put out the word that she was too inexperienced and from there the headlines came in, republicans claiming she's not only unexperienced, unqualified, some said she was the most unqualified candidate around, you can see the reports. the basic maga attack here is on experience. and then some of them mixed in with the claim that she was not only inexperienced but somehow only rising as a kind of inexperience, unqualified diversity pick. they are empirically wrong, this is false and i will explain why, but to remind you what we are talking about, some of what the right has been the

country.>> completely obsessed with identity over actual competence, experience or results.>> on capable and unqualified person to be president.>> unqualified to be our country's commander-in- chief. >> she's just not ready. >> those are factual claims, i told you before, everyone has not only the right but the obligation to debate all of our views and preferences in the campaign but those are claims about her experience in government and her qualifications to lead in government. and they are all wrong. and they are not only wrong, but compared to most presidential nominees, especially compared to recent republican ones, so i'm going to show you the facts of our special report right now, because this matters and this is also a campaign topic and

they are attacking her for it and you might hear about it at the debate and if they are attacking her about things that are false and i told you about the danger of disinformation and propaganda in our democracy, well, we want to give you the facts. this is the report you might want to remember or even share, i will let you decide. but let me show you why the voices you just heard are either wrong or worse, aware of all of that and being deceitful about harris. the facts show that presidential nominees typically have some experience in elected government. in the modern era, you could go to jfk and reagan and their first white house runs as nominees, these are the facts, they each had about 13 and eight years in elected office. for jfk, congress, and for reagan, governor as you can see. and voters could see that at the time. that was during the first run for president, they knew that i

had -- they had that background of experian. obama had less time in national office and people discussed that. he was running for president during the first senate term, he also served in state office so he had about 11 years total and after that you had donald trump who had zero years in office when he ran. trump was unusual in so many ways and that is one where it was known at the time that he claimed that coming in fresh was a positive, and he ran against the swamp and you could make that argument. that kind of inexperience itself was the first, in all of american history. every other president at the same point in time on this chart, they had elective or military experience. donald trump is the only president ever with no political or military experience. those are recent presidents in both parties with pre-white house experience ranging from the unusual to the high of around a decade.

so, how does harris compare? well, here are the facts tonight. kamala harris has more experience than all of them. by a lot. and i will leave this up for you because you have a lot of different numbers and historical comparisons but this is the factual antidote to the falsehoods, misinformation or possibly lies from fox and maga. not only does she have more experience than all these other presidents, but she doubles most of them, she served in elected government positions for 21 years straight and counting from those recent posts at the top, to past executive possessions like ag and d.a.. another way to say this, kamala harris has more experience in her first run then reagan and jfk combined. in their same respective career position.

these are facts. and they are easily obtainable. it isn't like we are going back to the 1800s and researching some library book. if anyone should be on defense over experience, it is the republicans. it is telling that a person in this case, kamala harris can literally be the most experienced among nominees in the modern era as i'm showing on the screen, and still face political attacks and conversations about whether she is experienced enough. jimi hendrix would not be okay with this. as for politics. the recent republican presidents versus harris, bush had six years as governor, trump had none as i mentioned, harris has 21 years and the point is, not only that the maga attacks are false but voters might want to compare how polls have spent their time. we have some quick flashbacks

for you, a young kennedy, he spent his youth in public service in the military before running for office, harris did public service work in the d.a. office before she ever tried to run one. obama did non-lucrative organizing work out of school, harris was passing on high- paying private law jobs, those choices in their early careers are something people tend to want to look at. and that brings us to another comparison which debunks the attacks, harris spent her 30s working in the california government in the district attorneys office before she ran for office. that would be less lucrative than ronald reagan, as you see there, before he turned to politics. so, the voters will weigh these experiences and their priorities, this was a time before power and fame were even on the table, running for office, trying to get power on national tv and in the debates and all that stuff. those aren't the only ways to

serve, so i showed you the photos, so you can remember, jfk was in the military and world war ii before all the rest. but if you update the charts to include public service that is not just elective office, if you ask people around the country, a lot of folks value other service than just running for office. if you add that, the charts stack of even taller, kennedy and reagan have military service, that adds to the prior public service they had before becoming their party's nominee and running for office. obama didn't have that kind of government service, his total will stay at 11 years. then if you use that, kamala harris stacks even higher because you have to count her work as an employee, as an assistant d.a., assistant prosecutor in two different offices before ever running herself, plus the other posts

she has held before becoming the nominee. again, far higher, stacking, and flexing on these other past nominees at the same point in time. that is 13 extra years of government experience that builds her edge. with what you see on your screen, a fact check about one of the biggest lies about kamala harris. you might hear a reasonable person saying i heard she wasn't experienced, it's the opposite. she has this edge over the nominees in both parties and it shows and this is as she approaches her 60th birthday, she served publicly in some kind of office for over three decades. are you experienced? well, this is what experience looks like. and then you go to the type of

politics we live in. imagine spending your entire adult career after school and public government service, sometimes in anonymous roles like a.d.a., definitely making less money than you could at other jobs, sometimes wrecking barriers across gender and race, rising all the way to vice president which everybody knows is the actual training ground. and then having political hacks and the d.c. pundit enablers waste time, claiming there is a real debate to be had about whether you are experienced enough when you are literally the most. i could stop but this is our special report and we have one more layer for you. even after this fact check, with very easily obtainable fax, you can get information about trump and reagan, imagine above and beyond all that, that kamala harris faces competition of a ticket with trump who is inexperienced as i already

mentioned, 30 years less than her, and his backup plan when he would become the oldest president ever would stack up to harris's first running mate stent, so when she had 31 years experience and who does that stack up against? jd vance has two years in elective office total and four years serving in the marines. so, six years if you count it all together, we are including the other public service, these are the polls, with the chutzpah to not only question her experience but to literally claim she is not experienced enough, if she is not experienced enough, what does that make jd vance? should he be booted from all campaigns for the next 15+ years? so, i told you this as a special report. it may sound tough on the

opponents to this very experienced candidate, but these are just facts, these are numbers. it may sound like a topic that benefits harris and you say well, they did a whole special report that benefits her, this is the republican topic, this is what trump was first pushing, this is what they continue to echo on fox news and they had a little di when they are feeling rambunctious. so the numbers don't lie, the topic was picked by her opponents and yet it benefits her. we will put it up one more time, the numbers tell the story. and sometimes the top story in the country is going to be a chart because amidst all this, sometimes we have to run the numbers and show you the facts. and the facts obviously matter because they wouldn't lie about them if they weren't concerned that people were going to somehow learn the facts that she is this much more experienced. so, where do we go from here? will this be a big deal at the

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>> it doesn't matter for the campaign, the reality is, republicans always attack democratic candidates on experience, i remember the attacks on barack obama, they mocked his community organizer explains at the republican convention, they ran ads saying he is nothing but a celebrity, they said he doesn't know anything about government, it turned out pretty well for the country. i remember bill clinton when he ran, george bush senior said his only policy experiences is eating at the international house of pancakes, that turned out not to really land with the voters so they do this, but i also think there's a deeper issue with the republican party and donald trump in this campaign. they are now pivoting to experience because they are using previous lines of attack that have not worked. donald trump had a single message, i'm strong, he is weak and everything said into that. the debate, the assassination

attempt, all of it unfortunately helped to reinforce trump's message. harris stepped in, there is now no message, donald trump tried to say well, i'm white and she's not really black, that didn't really go anywhere, now they are trying to talk about experience. i'm experienced and she is not. let's talk about donald trump's experience, of course he was a game show host, but when he became president, he was a very unpopular president who lost in 2020, something he admits, so this is another failed attempt at a message on the part of the trump campaign and i think you are going to see this continue all the way till election day, trying and failing to get us a successful message against harris. >> it's interesting when you mention obama because i think people do casually, even though he ended up having a successful presidency, they remember him as a new face and that attention on the organizing, but i mentioned this in the report, voters tend to credit

the choices you make. we know that a lot of voters care about people's family because it is telling them how they live their day-to-day lives, and do they relate? it doesn't have to be the same, but we have seen that come up. family, community, public service, doing anything for somebody else whether it is your kids or your neighbors kids, or your fellow citizens in the military or other context, it says something. so i'm curious, we will put the chart that shows the earlier period, is it positive that the public learns more about what harris has done with her many decades? you can say she is ambitious but you can't say she has put money first out of law school. the vast majority of graduates from top law schools go to big firms and they make a bunch of money. she and obama share that, is that a good true story for her?

>> yes, very much so, i think you have seen harris really emphasize her biography, she did so in her convention speech and it has worked. her favorable ratings have risen by 10 points just in the last month. the more people see of her, the more they learn about her, the more they like her experience and they like her, that is a huge asset that she has as a democratic nominee going into this election. she has probably the most important experience anyone could ever have running for president, she is the vice president of the united states, she spent 3 1/2 years preparing, she sat on the national security council, she has been briefed in part of nearly every important decision made by the biden-harris administration, so i think all of that -- >> may i say, she was endorsed today by what i believe is one of your favorite vp's of all

time.>> not my favorite to be honest, i have others that i much prefer, including joe biden and al gore, but if you do think about historically, it shows how attractive harris's candidacy was, i remember where i was and what i was doing for the obama campaign in colorado, watching powell indoors barack obama, i believe it was on meet the press on sunday morning when that occurred. i remember in 1992 when admiral william crow, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff endorsed bill clinton in 1992. that was really important. when you run an attractive candidacy, you get all kinds of people who come on and support the candidate because they realize how important the stakes are and they let -- say

i support you. >> yes, i open it up, and cheney remains popular in parts of the mountain west, the deep south, arizona, where they are in a tight race, that is all very interesting. i want to thank you, coming up we have the harris money edge, we have the debate trap with new details, here on the beat. . ♪ ♪ [ engine revving ] oh now we're torquin'! the dodge hornet r/t. the totally torqued-out crossover.

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era, through his daughter endorsing kamala harris. >> i think that it speaks to the fact that people understand what is at stake in this election, it is literally the future of our country and what you're seeing is a lot of people who have supported donald trump in the past realizing just how dangerous he is and we have to continue to communicate that but these people who are unusually endorsing a democratic candidate, they understand the stakes of this election. lieutenant governor jeff duncan said it doesn't make you a democrat voting for, harris if you are republican, it makes you a patriot.>> the harris campaign has previewed some of the debate strategy, of course we will be watching tuesday, 2025, and she also seems to be arguing that trump is not up for the job. is there an argument that he is too old and there is a visible

cognitive decline?>> all those things are true, donald trump is unfit, one thing is true is that donald trump is a skilled debater, this will be his seventh presidential debate, the most of any candidate in modern presidential history and this'll be harris's first and we know donald trump is practicing harder than ever for this debate, so the vice president will be prepared and be ready, but we know that donald trump is going to show up and we know he has been practicing.>> we were talking about experience earlier, harris has a lot more governing experience than most the nominees when they make their first run for the white house, but on the debate front, as you mentioned, he has had a lot of debates. the fundraising is big, we will put that up here. you entered late for the reasons we all know that you are certainly making up for it. what does it mean that you have this big cash edge over trump? >> what i would say is that we

are very pleased with our fundraising numbers, we understand the historic nature of it, there are a couple of interesting tidbits, one fifth of these donors who gave to us are independents and republicans, so again, these are people who see what is at stake. the average donation was less than $200, that is the largest grassroots month in presidential campaign history, but what is important is the reason people are getting us these funds. they know we need it because the future of this country is at stake but, occupations like teachers and nurses make up the bulk of people who are getting to this campaign because the teachers who are taking care of our kids know that we can do better than just saying we have to get over it when there is a school shooting. the nurses who take care of us know that we shouldn't be denying people with pre- existing conditions coverage. that is donald trump's america, vice president harris has a different way of doing things. . your moments are worth protecting against rsv.

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>> trump and harris face-off in this debate and that is, trump has threatened to jail his opponent and it is illegal for any politician to order such prosecutions that donald trump has continued those threats this year including his so- called revenge for his own lawful indictment and trials. harris allies see her as a prosecutor who can handle anything that has to do with that, and she grilled attorney william barr about this very issue, the question is whether he was asked by trump or white house officials to open criminal investigations of specific people, which you are not supposed to do. but she drew headlines for that exact hearing, and as you are about to see, ultimately say he didn't know, rather than just be able to say under oath, no, trump didn't ask for that, it never happened.>> attorney

general, has the president or anybody at the white house suggested you open an investigation of anyone?>> i wouldn't -- >> yes or no?>> they have not asked me to open an investigation. >> perhaps they suggested?>> i don't know.>> dodging a straight answer, he was under oath so directly lying to congress could be a crime and he knew it was bad to admit that trump or even his team was demanding such investigations. and we also know from the evidence reporting and fax, he did inject himself into individual cases for trump allies and trumps political benefit. barr used his power to leak the findings of the mueller probe, and to reduce jail time for trump and roger stone, that drew protests from nonpartisan

career doj prosecutors. this matters. some trump allies want to fool you with propaganda or make you as cynical as they are, they claim nothing matters, trump can confess to anything and get away with it, the record shows something else. william barr wanted to avoid confirming there were any orders to help those trump aids, he didn't want to put that on the record. and, harris asked a strong question that helped flush some of that out. and other trump lawyers and operatives would rather say they don't remember, or even vote the fifth rather than tell the truth about apparently things they did that were improper or maybe even illegal for donald trump.>> i practice my fifth amendment right.>> i don't have any recollection of this, i don't recall.>> i don't

specifically recall. >> here is the playbook and it matters for the selection and the next two months. the playbook is, dodge questions or lie in public, testifying under oath with those same lies would become a potential crime. if you have to testify, dodge by claiming you don't recall, and sometimes that can be a truthful answer, sometimes there is so much evidence that becomes an unbelievable answer. if later evidence contradicts your testimony, then claim it is all late and old news, even though the delays were the thing that the trump team caused to begin with, so you blame others for the delays that you caused. take the same probe that william barr was spinning as he discussed it with, harris. the mueller report busted many attempts to interfere an independent doj trope -- probe, including president trump

asking his campaign manager to interfere in the mueller probe and they used this playbook, first lewandowski admitted, and we know this from the report, he admitted that trump asked him to have sessions try to end the mueller probe scrutiny, and trump wanted lewandowski to dictate a message for sessions to say trying to use lewandowski as a cutout ghost writer and this was a big deal and it was the first time the president had asked lewandowski to take dictation, according to his own testimony , as finally honestly in that setting, explained in the mueller report. so, lewandowski admitted that the prosecutors. he also lied about it in public. it was not until the cross-

examination at a house hearing that he had to fess up, the new york times reporting lewandowski confirming the president had once asked him help to curtail the scope of the russia investigation, possibly obstructing justice. we have the evidence, we have the testimony, we have the receipts. admitting that, contradicted lewandowski's claims in an nbc interview which was such a big deal, they admitted it as evidence and used it to confront him when questioning him under oath and they drew another admission, which matters right now as he has rejoined the trump campaign. lewandowski under oath saying he can be dishonest with the media.>> prior to the mueller report being published and redacted, did you ever misrepresent what you did on behalf of the president?>> i can't think of an instance that would have occurred.>> i don't

ever remember the president asking me to get involved with jeff sessions or the department of justice in any way whatsoever.>> that was you saying on msnbc, you don't ever remember the president ever asking you to get involved with jeff sessions or the department of justice in any way, shape, or form. that wasn't true, was it?>> i heard that. i have no obligation to be honest with the media, they are just as dishonest as anybody else.>> so you are admitting you are not truthful in that clip?>> my interview can be interpreted any way you like.>> so you admitted on national television, you were lying. >> perhaps i was inaccurate at the time.>> inaccurate, lewandowski is back serving on trump's current campaign and he joined us on the beat last week for the first time since that hearing and that last

interview. and we held him accountable, and in fairness we gave him the chance to address all of this and ask why people should believe him now. and mr. lewandowski was completely unwilling or unable to offer a substantive answer.>> i have no obligation to be honest with the media. perhaps i was inaccurate at the time. >> do you admit that you were stating that falsely at the time?>> listen, here's the deal, man -- >> it is relevant now and now you seem to be unable to address that. >> we have been down this path, okay, that interview was almost five years ago to the day to be honest with you.>> this is your chance to address it, and you're not addressing it, that is fine.>> almost five years ago, that is the playbook. dodge, delay, admit it under oath if you have to do that to avoid possible jail risk and

blame everybody else for your own delays. now, if this all sounds exhausting to deal with, it can be. that's what they want. they want to grind everyone down. and that new interview brought plenty of headlines about lewandowski lying again, he admitted under oath that he does dishonest things with the media and you saw an affair forum that other colleagues of his and officials have used that didn't go as poorly for them as it did for him, he had no good answer. he lies. he lies again. and his failed effort to deflect draws those headlines. fine. that's the trump playbook. other aides who try to defy going under oath, and just not participating as you saw in those hearings, some of them have landed in prison.

donald trump spent years trying to duck even testifying in the fraud case, but we saw when he lost, the playbook was under pressure, he had to sit under oath just like so many of his aides.>> a state appeals court has ruled that former president trump must testify in the civil investigation. the formal president has been fighting tooth and nail not to have to testify.>> trump spent his morning at a new york city office being deposed under oath by lawyers from the new york attorney general's team.>> that deposition and donald trump's inability to provide decent defenses under oath became evidence in the front trial with -- which he not only lost but lost terribly, the penalty fees approaching half a billion dollars, hundreds of criminals

have faced consequences as defendants in the january 6 cases and many top trump aides and lawyers have been indicted or convicted in multiple jurisdictions as you can see in those cases continue through the courts. donald trump's own trial was delayed and completed by a ruling he got from the supreme court so that is pushed past november and we should note for accuracy, some parts of his playbook didn't work when he was president. deny, defy, delay and he basically dangled pardons and used them for certain aides like roger stone, around the same mueller probe we had been discussing, that donald trump tried to kneecap with the help of lewandowski. >> if you helped the president in his efforts to obstruct the investigation into russia, helping him to get elected in 2016, tonight is another night of pardons for all of you.>> paul manafort and his former

political adviser, roger stone were both prosecuted by the robert mueller counsel team.>> so, what is our take away here, other than the fact that you have to stay on the job and be fair but also continue to do tough work and hold liars accountable. one take away is a mixed verdict in how america does accountability. as you can see, some of that playbook has worked and if other parts of the system give into that exhaustion i mentioned or normalization, if parts of our broader society, the independent branches of government, the free press, then the cynical part of the playbook can work even better. i say mixed because as i showed you, many other pages of this playbook have failed from that massive fraud penalty, to the lewandowski public accountability, to even harsher conditions for those who were

not as truthful when pressed under oath, and some of those people are awaiting trial, some of them convicted and some of them in prison. we have heard a ton about institutions over the past few years. but let me repeat something tonight that you already know. institutions are only as effective as their rules, systems, and the people who comprise them. again, the people who comprise them. and that is not a partisan point you see liz cheney on the screen as a lifelong conservative republican, you see jack smith, an independent at doj and mr. lewandowski , a frequent flyer. some of the institutions are deliberately walled off from public pressure, others are supposed to be answerable to the public. and with everything that has been publicly exposed and we just showed a few key points tonight, the final arbiter of this in november is you.

what kind of institutions do you demand? what will you accept as normal, as part of politics or out of bounds? and what does accountability look like? that is really up to the voters in november. and we have a bit more on this right after the break. the break. turn shipping to your advantage. keep it simple...with clear, upfront pricing. with usps ground advantage®. ♪♪

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they are just as dishonest with everybody else. >> do you admit you were stating that falsely at the time?>> if you admit under oath that you were not telling the truth, it is relevant now and now you seem to be unable to address it.>> this is your first time back. >> that interview was almost five years ago to be honest with you. >> this is your chance to address this and you are not addressing it, that is fine. >> almost five years ago. we are joined by an msnbc analyst, what do you see there?>> there was this idea of a statute of limitations on lying and after five years it doesn't count as lying anymore, it is this pre-authoritarian gas lighting, where nothing is true, people get stuff wrong so it is all lies. they are equating mainstream media making mistakes with

intentional lying. and it is, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, the employee of arlington declined to press charges because she was scared of the trump campaign. and that is called obeying in advance and it is something that timothy schneider talks about, and that is what the play here is. make people scared. make people obey, make them not as questions, and work them so that if they ask questions, they seem partisan. >> and the playbook matters because anytime you understand something, you are less likely to be tricked by it. it's no different than something online, once you understand there are online scams, you have a different part of your brain activated, so political and informational inoculation is a part of this, on the other hand, i don't think it is unappealing to say

that someone did this a long time ago, that is not just targeted at the core maga audience, it is targeted at other reasonable years. does it matter that he wasn't just lying about some random political squabble but rather a plan hatched in the oval office dictated to him to try to potentially illegally shutdown an independent probe of the trump administration. that's what the lie was about. >> and i think that is a very important point, this goes back to the steve bannon idea that you flood the zone with excrement, you make it so that there are so many stories that a normal, casual observer doesn't know which way, it all sounds implausible, so it is impossible to see this real malice from everything else. and that is what we are seeing here and obviously, again, i thought what you talked about before was so important, in some ways the guardrails have held. in some part, there are people

like steve bannon who are sitting in jail right now and in some ways it hasn't, donald trump has used millions of dollars to run out the clock and now he is running for president just like a regular presidential candidate.>> and the institutions are made of people. there's also something that is different than certain types of lying where because part of the trump movement views lying as scoring points in a video game, someone like trump or lewandowski can blatantly lie but the supporters feel they are in on it, so they don't feel lied to, they feel they are part of the trick even if it is explained after the fact or haphazardly. donald trump sold out the people that went to prison after january 6, some of them were confused, some of them really thought they were freedom fighters and that donald trump had actually won the election.

now, he gives up the game and mentions he actually lost, he knows he lost.>> i became president, then the second time i got millions more votes than the first time, i was told if i got 63 million which is what i got the first time, you would win. and i got millions more votes than that. >> and lost. quote, and lost. what does it mean that the lies only moved to benefit him and again, he is a pr guy for whatever reason, he thinks that going to the general election, he is better off acknowledging the reality of the loss then continuing to lie about it, that is one interpretation. but to a lot of people in prison, they think weight, they were on the right side of history. >> this is an interesting move

right now, admitting he has lost finally so close to the election and clearly i think trump is throwing stuff at the wall right now because he wants to change the trajectory of what is happening right now in the election, 62 days before it happens. i do think it sells the matter and that's the thing, a lot of this is really dishonest for the purpose of helping trump. and his dishonesty is to help trump, this is to help trump. i don't know that you can change course so late on reality, a lot of people's whole reality, their poll -- whole political reality is that donald trump cheated.>> join us weekdays at 6:00 p.m. eastern for the beat on msnbc. . , and gets in between em, for 100% cleaner teeth. your perfect clean starts with oral-b.

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>> good evening and welcome to politics nation, tonight's lead, prep work. prep work. >> right now, vice president, harris is in pittsburgh where she took a break from debate preparations this afternoon to greet some voters at a local spice store. things are bound to get heated between her and former president donald trump when they square off