on the streets. >> custody of janet and raven's son, caden, was granted to raven's mother. janet's mom is left with the memories of the daughter she loved and lost. >> how often do you think about janet? >> constantly. the only way i can handle it, i know she's happy. i know she is. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. . good morning and welcome to the sunday edition of morning joe weekend. it was another fast moving newsweek, and here are some of the conversations you might have missed. >> we had a good debate and it

was a fair debate, and he was down like 18 or 19 points after the debate. and i hate mosquitoes. i am surprised i didn't think -- we don't like mosquitoes running around. we want nothing to do with them. but, we want nothing to do with bad politicians that hate our country, too. >> okay, a little bit of the weave there. the weave was happening. yeah, did he ever get back to the point? the question is. the man who says he should be able to interfere in u.s. elections the question is, did he get back to the point? donald trump in pennsylvania getting distracted by his nemesis. mosquitoes. >> you know, we all have our nemesis. >> we all have things that bother us. >> we all do. >> if you have a lot of makeup on and it's hot last thing you want is keeters. >> you know, mike if you go back through time, abraham lincoln of course his nemesis

was people that were trying to divide the country. his nemesis was slavery. fdr, of course, it was nazis. marten luther king, of course racism in america, segregation. and trying to bring the country -- donald trump it is mosquitoes. he does not like mosquitoes. he is perfectly -- he doesn't like sharks, or electric boats. or the quandary that would put one in if, you know, he does like hannibal elector. he says all time great guy. but mosquitoes, yes, a recurring nuisance to donald trump. >> yeah. we are going to. >> you know, joe, this gets back to the conversation we were having yesterday about the false equivalency and coverage of donald trump versus other people in politics, namly joseph r biden who would walk

on stage and happen to maybe almost trip and fall over, or whatever, or utter someone's name or mispronounce someone's name, that would be in the front page of the "new york times" and other papers. and yet, donald trump worker saw him rambling on the weave bringing back the weave, and incomprehensible. illogical. an old man struggling for his thought and he can't find the thought and yet, it is rarely mentioned in the news media. >> there was, mike, during the biden campaign, the times had a syntax blocked and they would go through thank god no one has done this with me or tie straightening block with me. but they had a syntax blog and they would put his words down there. and it was absolutely -- and again, you have donald trump

where just, because i've had lot of people tell me tell me you have to watch entire donald trump speech. >> oh, god. >> and these are not people democrats or whatever. these are people saying, if you want to know how off the rail things have gotten, compared to 16 and 20, you need to watch his speech. and they say and if you get a chance, try to get a transcript to his speech because, yeah, there a he a lot of bobbing and weaving going on there, and incoherence and yet again, it's so funny, we still have newspapers talking about kamala harris, how has she moved on issue one or issue two? how incredible she's moved on this or that. donald trump goes from bragging about terminating roe v. wade, a 50 year right on i would day, to saying he is going to be a champion of women's

reproductive health the next day, to saying no, he's changing his mind the next day to saying he is going to vote against ron desantis' six week abortion ban the next day, to saying he's going to vote for ron desantis' six-week abortion ban in florida the next day. and you will have the times and the washington post ringing their hands going oh my god, kamala harris, like her tax plan, how is this different? how is she flip-flopping. when there's no more equivalence. and that's what mike, we keep talking about what mika is going to talk about on this week's morning mika, the flattening out, the flattening out of the radical deferences and these two candidates vision for the future of american

democracy. of our constitutional republic. on whether the guardrails of madisonian democracy are kept in place or destroyed. but there's a flattening and there's a moral equivalency for those desperate to make this dole versus clinton. it is not. >> i can't get passed trying to read a transcript of one of donald trump's speeches. i wouldn't do it. i am against capital punishment. >> joining us a member of the "new york times" editorian board president of the national action network host of msbc reverend al sharpton and former msnbc and contributor to washington monthly chris matthews. great to have you all. >> exciting. chris matthews, of course, i explained this to people before,. >> yeah. >> your days and your nights, centered around being in front of the television. >> oh. >> at 7:00 p.m.

>> absolutely. to see what the open lining of hardball was. >> i tried to predict what it would be. >> what was your favorite one. >> oh, gosh what was my favorite one. >> there were so many. >> i am going to come up with a few. >> yeah. >> but they are fantastic. >> chris, we will get to you in a second. but since we mentioned "the new york times," i really hate why we go to maura first i not asking you to defend the paper, but we hear about the wall that between the editorial page and. >> let's practice the wall. >> and so we can practice the wall and i don't ask you because i hate when we come on the podcast and we do this, we do that. you know and they go yeah, sure i will do it and they go boy, you must hate so and so. i am like really? you got to be here like, you know. >> i feel like i am in a dunk tank, you know. >> i am not going to do that. >> no, no, no. >> but i am not asking you to talk about the "new york times," but i am sure. >> it's an overall problem.

it's not. >> there's an overall problem whether it's tv news or news paper but a flattening, a moral equivalency between the insanity of donald trump's speeches and basically the calling for the end of checks and balances in american democracy versus kamala harris. and you can. >> and continue to laugh. >> and one laugh or if you talk about the difference with flip- flop. how does anything talk about flip-flopping on issues without leading with donald trump on abortion, on immigration, on the federal debt. >> interfering in elections. >> you name it, he does it. >> first of all, we have to state the obvious which is you are absolutely right. in the election, the choice is obvious. we have said that actually at the editorial board over and over. and you have democracy on the one hand, and somebody who is

committed to a policy that's going to move america forward, and you have donald trump hop can't get a through coherent see. that's obvious. i think the challenge not just for journalists, but really for the country, is not only is donald trump a threat, but you know, it lowers the bar. so, i don't think it's unacceptable. i think it's important as a role as journalists to push every candidate for office. and there are plenty of things we could hear from the vice president that we would love to hear more about policy speeches, it would be great to see her take more questions from the press. those things are important, but context is difficult because because of the extremism of the republican party, because of how extreme donald trump is, and it is hard to hold beth candidates accountable equal hi because one is committed to democracy, and is functioning as a normal candidate from a

normal american party, and the other is not. and so, you know this is really about the extremism of the republican ticket. and, it's important to hold all candidates accountable. it's just in a when you do that, it does sometimes sound a little stilly because given the breath of what the vice president is offering the american people, there is no comparison with donald trump. so, there's no question. but that don't mean that you know, the vice president in a normal election by the way, we would see real competition and competition is always good for american democracy, the problem is republicans are not providing democratic competition it puts the press in a awkward position. >> we have lots more to get to this hour. morning joe weekend continues after a short break. e weekend after a short break. hi, i'm greg. i live in bloomington, illinois. i'm not an actor. i'm just a regular person. some people say, "why should i take prevagen? i don't have a problem with my memory."

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republican party is for former president donald trump to lose, and lose soundly. gop leaders won't tell you that on the record. i just did. the more decisively vice president kamala harris wins the popular vote and electoral college, the less political oxygen he'll have to reprice his 2020 antics and importantly, the fast are republicans can begin rebuilding a post-trump party. >> you know, chris matthews, what's so fascinating is that when jonathan martin began to write the come column you said i will write a controversial column. i am going to put a thesis forward that republicans and democrats will push back against and it's going to cause all this controversy. jonathan writes in the piece, that's exactly what he thought he was doing here. and then he started to calling around to republicans in washington off the record and they were like, yeah, yeah,

that's what we want to happen. he said there was no controversy. they agree that the guy that cost them elections in 2017, '18, '19, '20, '21, '22 and '23 needs to lose in there's 234. >> it's a nice col many but the fact is republicans are republicans and they are going to vote that way. and all the moderate republicans out there are going to vote republican this time. this means voting for trump. look at the numbers in pennsylvania. the running even bobby casey's running even with mccorporal he can. it's dead even. they are voting republican. and i think the only thing that can stop that is republican women are going to look at trump's record and look at what he said about there needs to be punishment which i wrote about in the philadelphia inquirer and he is on record sag i wanted to get rid of roe v. wade because i want to punish women that's why i put three judges on the supreme comfort to punish women. and then they started taking a

real look at that, and think about who this guy is s and where he came from, they will think about republican voting republican again. i am telling you, it's a close election in pens jane. it's really close in the rural areas he got 68% and '16 he got over '07% and he is growing in the area in the rural parts of the stay alabama part of the state as james carville between fill testify yeah and pittsburgh. and fill testify yeah people have to put in minority voters and younger voters it's going to be a tough haul and we will sit around at 9:30 or 10:30 wondering how pennsylvania is going to go because i have no idea how it's going to go. it's tough and the guns issue is not working in the direction you and mika is not talking about. it's tricky in pennsylvania. you have to be careful and talk about access and talk about background checks all that and that's good. talk about controlling buying and owning a weapon. you are getting in trouble

there. just a fact. >> i mean, background checks, universal background checks 90% of american support. overwhelmingly republicannance red flag laws there are issues that matter. but mika, there's no doubt kamala harris has a wind at her back. there's no doubt she put the southern states back in play north carolina, georgia, arizona, nevada. she is doing far better in those states than expected. but pennsylvania is tight. >> yeah. >> michigan is tight. wisconsin will be tight. and one thing people need to remember, the democrats if any democrat is getting confident, they need to remember that in those upper midwest states, donald trump support was understated in polls dramatically in 2016, and especially in 2020. we saw in wisconsin keep the numbers up, we saw in or take them down either way. -- can we have an a.i.

director? i think if we get an a.i. tj, i really think that google can do that. >> yeah. >> so anyway, if you look at wisconsin, a state kamala harris, if you believe the polls is up 6 points in wisconsin. there are polls that showed joe biden up by 12, 13, 14. i think abc poll a week before the election in wisconsin, ended up being less than a percentage point. michigan, the same. the real clear politics average on election day was about 9% in joe biden's favor. and it ended up being a tie. same thing with pennsylvania, so, those upper midwest states, again, the polls understate donald trump support. so any democrat that thinks kamala harris has it needs to look at chris and it's a close battle. >> i want to narrow in on

pennsylvania on trump country pennsylvania and ask you, are voters there getting the truth about donald trump? i mean, do they know that he is behind the overturning of row roe and he bragged about it and he thinks it's okay to. fear with elections. do they know about the hush money trial and what he is convicted of doing and do they like that about him? and i know kamala harris' campaign is doing a reproductive tour across the country, 50 cities, could that help get the truth to the people? or are they satisfied with donald trump the truth about him? >> reporter: this is the challenge. >> this is chris, mika is asking. >> i know about. >> i will say it. are they being programmed by certain cable news networks that twists the truth or by certain websites. >> or do they like the truth. >> is that there reality. >> if you go in fulton county you will see a total blanketing

of trump. everywhere. signs everywhere. there's no local news paper. they don't go down to the corner there's not a corner. there's no more gift shops or things like that or barbershops, it's all in the big companies running all that retail. they don't have a downtown area to walk around and say hello, to everybody. it's not like that. you get in bucks county edge of philadelphia somerville that's trump company. my ward went for trump. 67th ward which is cops and firemen they have to 11 in the city for five years. it's trump south philly is trump. it's just like new york. we have the neighborhoods that are very conservative. irish italian bay ridge and different parts of queens and brooklyn. it breaks out in the terms of ethnic group that's a good factor ethnics groups. when you see it, people are conservative, they are and because they are conservative,

they are voting for trump. that's the arnie and this is the heart. people like you who grew up conservative are voting for trump because they vote the party line. they are voting the party line and that is just -- i think the only thing that will shake this is an abortion rights because i think, i think most people are for abortion rights. they may not be for abortion but they want abortion rights. when the president comes out the former president, says i want there to be some form of punishment. i want women to be punished for having abortion, he said so when he went and said in hired the three judges he knew what he was doing. he wanted to punish women. he clearly the bad guy here. and i just don't think that the democrats are pushing that issue hard enough. they have to hit it really hard because when you go in the voting booth maybe the husband and wife doesn't talk about how they vote. but women especially will say wait a minute, this is before hery vation of my roots i grew up with are being taken away in pennsylvania, and we have to do

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each and every life. >> that's former president ronald reagan nearly three years after leaving office, dedication of his presidential library. reagan's life from beginnings in illinois through two terms in the white house is subject of a new comprehensive biography titled reagan, his life and legend and "new york times" best selling author of the book max boot joins us now. he's columnist for the washington post. and senior fellow at the council of foreign relations. max, i will turn it over to the table in a bit. but first a couple questions. and i was struck last night i saw someone who grew up a conservative, loving ronald reagan, who now basically bows at the feet of urban and supports putin and ukraine and claims the mantle of ronald reagan explain contradictions. >> it's hard to explain except

to say the republican party has been drifting to the right ever since roughly 1964 when berry gold water was the nominee. and you saw ronald reagan was further to the right than nixon and ford. and now of course, we are in situation where donald trump and people who support trump are very far to the right of ronald reagan such every generation of republicans that have come before is denounced by the next generation as being sellouts or rhinos or people who are not really republicans. but in fact, the party has gone so far to the right today, that i think the previous generation and folks like ronald reagan who at one time was a republican icon wouldn't recognize what the party has become. >> you know, david, i will give outnext question, i got to say, though, it's fascinating that just like people who call themselves evan jell cas don't use it, david, french, as a

description of their faith. can you show me david french please. okay. >> yeah. >> they don't use evangelical as a description but a cultural marker. same with reagan. people who have no idea what ronald reagan stand for are against 90% of ronald reagan stood for whether you talk about free trade, whether you talk about immigration, whether you talk about standing up to russian aggression, i can go down the list when you talk about being conservative, ideologically and moderate temperamentally and working with democrats, working with tip oneal types. there's a radical difference that again, just like tim keller is saying i don't call myself and evangelical because it's now a political phrase. i feel the same thing about people who claim mantle of ronald reagan. >> it's amazing, the number of republicans i run into who actually will believe and say

that trump is an heir to reagan is amazing. there's a remarkable con job taking place within the republican party where a very many republicans actually still believe that the current republican party is part of that reagan legacy. when it is a direct repudiation of that legacy. and this gap, this gap between what trumpism is and what ronald reagan and who ronald reagan was and what he believed is immense but it's pricing to me constantly that ordinary every day republicans often don't recognize that. and i think one question i would have for max would be, is he seeing any element of that reagan legacy still remanent still remaining in a way that could be ignited again. >> there are certainly aspects of the reagan legacy that are still around. but i think we need to be fair and objective and this book i wrote is not meant to be-- it's

trying to tell the story of reagan in a fair and balanced way and we have to see that it was not all positive. it was not all sweetness and he had failures and weaknesses. and while there's much more many more differences than resemblances between reagan and today's republican party, there are some disturbing trend lines that have continued over the decades including the fact that reagan did engage in white backlash politics and used fake facts. there were aspects he ignored a pandemic just as donald trump did. there are aspects of reagan's legacy where you see this is how the republican party got from there to here. even though i think the differences are greater than the similarities, think you have to understand that had there are some disturbing couldn't newities so we have to wrestle with the real reagan not just the legend or myths grown up around him. >> we have seen max over the

last several years and played on the show ronald reagan's farewell speech in january of 1989. where he stopped and very deliberately took a moment to talk about immigration. and how important it is to the country and the beauty as he saw it and people coming to the country and becoming americans. boy, what contrast obviously to donald trump who began the political career talking about murderers and rapists flowing over the border and chants of build that wall. when did that divide happen in the republican party? in other words how did we get from that speech ronald reagan to donald trump at 2015 and '16. >> that's definitely one of the big of the deferences between reagan and trump and the fact that reagan did have, i would argue, a troubling record on civil rights because he was opposed to civil rights legislation, but, he was very positive on immigration and he was pro immigration throughout his career. and in fact, you know, in the 1980 campaign he was talking about getting rid of the

borders between the u.s. and mexico. this was a genesis of nafta in 1986, he signed an immigration bill that legalized millions of undocumented immigrants republicans today would call, a quote, unquote, amnesty bill and during the fare well address he give a tribute how america was built by immigrants. that's a huge difference but there was an element of the republican party uncomfortable with that and more nativeist element in the republican party. it became more pronounced over time. you saw it in the early 2000s when john mccain and republicans were trying to get a balanced immigration and a little more than a decade ago, marco rubio was in favor of a balanced immigration legalizing undocumented immigrants and increasing border security and that was blown up by opposition from the hard right and basically, now it's the hard right, the far right and populous nativeist right taken over the republican party.

>> up next, the harris campaign is putting the spotlight on reproductive rights and brought the issue to donald trump's doorstep with on event in palm beach. we will be joined by one of the speakers from that event, the democratic senate nominee in florida, you're watching morning joe weekend. florida, you're watching morning joe weekend. knowing that he's getting good nutrition, that's a huge relief for me and my dad. (sings) old bean piglet head yes that is your name. if you saw his piglet head you would say the same. toot toot.

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kamala harris have kicked off a national bus tour starting on donald trump's hometure inform florida. the tour focus on reproductive rights began with a stop in palm beach. it heads to jacksonville today with at least 50 stops planned in key states throughout the fall. joining us now the democratic nominee for u.s. senate in florida former congresswoman debbie mucarsel-powell who spoke at yesterday's event. i want to hear about the campaign and whether or not you will get to debate your opponent, but my big question is, how was this bus tour received in palm beach county, florida? was there a crowd? were they open to the message? >> good morning, m. ka and everyone. okay, my goodness everything you've been seeing and all the rallies held by the vice president, it was the same exact thing. energy was electric, and that room was packed with women, women that have really just had enough of all the attacks against our rights here in the

state of florida. as you know, we are now living under one of the most extreme bans on abortion six week ban that rick scott fully supports. he has been proudly saying that he supports the six-week ban that has hardly any exceptions to rain and incest. people in the state of florida have been organizing now for more than a year, and this was just a pivotal moment where the vice president and harris campaign is sending a message, florida is in play. we have been organizing in our state was shown yesterday and it will continue to grow before november and so i need everyone watching i need everyone with me because i am running up against one of the most extreme senators that cannot get reelected because if he does, even if we pass amendment 4, he will push for a national abortion ban. i need everyone going to my website contributing and joining the campaign beeny for florida.com. >> so, if i may, can we talk

more about that six-week ban. what are the results of that? because florida has it been able to experience it for quite sometime now, so there are consequences. and there are things that have happened because of the six- week ban that will continue to happen to women in florida traumatizing families who love them. can you explain what a six-week ban does to the health care of a woman who lives in the state of florida. >> yes, you know, we have been hearing more and more stories that have been coming out this six-week ban went into effect may 1st yesterday at the rally, and cook spoke about the experience where she was turned away by a doctor. and the pregnancy was not developing and fetus was not developing and she was sent home and the next day at a bathroom at a salon she had a miscarriage and lost half of her blood and almost died because of it. and she almost lost reproductive organs. and just recently, a few weeks ago, we heard of a very similar

story in miami. this is happening in the united states of america. this is happening in our own state where women are forced to leave the state to get this reproductive health care. and mika you know it is central not only to our health care, it is central towards dignity and this should and decision that made between a woman and her doctor and her family her faith. and in latin america, as you know, my mother brought me and my sisters here from latin america and we have seen laws passed to protect abortion rights because there's a rise of violence against women when you have extreme bans on abortion and high rates of maternal mortality. and, of course, rates of maternal mortality are high of the among black and latino women. >> good morning. good to have you on the show. i want to ask you about the charge you mentioned your upbringing imgrating to the united states with your family, your family fleeing dictatorship, the charge that we keep hearing from senator

scott and his campaign that you and the vice president harris as well are somehow socialist and you want price controls and groceries something vice president harris talked about and you want amnesty for illegal immigrants. address the immigration question and charge you want to let illegal immigration votes in the election which is against the law. address the charge you are somehow a serious charge in florida ace don't need to tell you or in league with socialist. >> look, it's completely false. rick scott has nothing but to spread this information. he is one of the most extreme senators we have in the senate right now. and rick scott has no idea what it's like for people look my family that had to grow up under a military dictatorship. i have family in venezuela and good friends in venezuela. he has no idea what it's like to fight for freedom and democracy. and he's using this pain, this

attack, this false attack, to try to score political points. and he's insulting the legacy of my mother, of latinos that left socialist dictatorships and if he want to talk about the border. let me say a couple things. he had the opportunity not once but twice, to vote for a border bill that i would have voted for that was sponsored and endorsed by customs and border patrol provided significant funding for a border. we must protect the border but we must have the courage to sit down at the table with republicans, democrats, whoever wants to deal with the issue that we have at the border, to make sure that we provide legal pathways. that's what republican business owners here in the state of florida have asked me to do. and it's one of the things that we were trying to do when i was in the house of representatives. and look, if he wants to debate the issue of socialism and wants to debate the issue of the border, just this morning,

we released our acceptance three different debates. and what i would love to do is have debate in spanish because he has been targeting latino communities misif them which is dangerous for our communities. and so, i would love for rick scott to have the courage to stand next to me at the debate stage and let's do it in english and spanish. >> democratic nominee for senate in florida former congresswoman debbie mucarsel- powell thanks very much for coming on the show this morning. up next, pulitzer prize winning author doris goodwin will be here to tell us about the book the leadership journey. how four kids became president. that's right after the break. that's right after the break. each day is a unique blend of people to see and things to do. that's why you choose glucerna to help manage blood sugar response. uniquely designed with carbsteady. glucerna. bring on the day.

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in the upper left abe lincoln and teddy roosevelt and fdr and lynden jonson. tell us about the bock. >> what happened to me i was so sad about how history is being taught less in courses in high schools and middle schools, and studies show that young middle school kids don't have a proficiency eight out of ten can't score the way they are scoring. it's heart breaking and it's perspective and everything you want to know that teaches you solace and hope i thought what happened if i take my four guys my pals the guys i know and studied for much of my life, 50 years, and i start with them when they are young before they become icons and monuments. and they will mack mistakes and they are going to acknowledge errors and grow and learn and maybe young people can feel i can become a leader. it's hard to see them as presidents. that's too far out. i loved history when i was young because my teacher taught me history through biography and stories and that's how you

learn about things. if you care about the stories, you will care about the dates. everybody says dates are so boring. i love them because if i care about the person i want to know when were they born and when did they do this and that. and i am hopping by telling the stories, stories are what people are hard wired for stories and will care about the people. and if they care about them they will care about becoming leaders. >> and bring out humanity and they were not chiseled from granite but how they come from vairied backgrounds rows developments extremely prief limited and lincoln from extreme poverty. >> you can't tell there's no single route to that presidency. but what there are development of series of qualities. think about the presidential race what they are. you need hugh mitity ability to learn from your mistakes and empathy to understand other people's points of view and resilience and ability to somehow be able to accept loss and grace anteroom um with mod

of they and ambition that goes to something other than yourself something larger than yourselves. that's what we should look for in the candidates for president right now or for any law office. and we see them develop in kids. and that's what i wanted to watch kids see how did the people develop the emotional qualities that are at the center of leadership. >> you know, doris, the roosevelts are fascinating because they were seen obviously for good reason as children of privilege and, of course, everybody knows about fdr and polio, and understand why he had to go through when he became older. but, i always thought teddy roosevelt was fascinating because he was a weak sickly boy. he was overshadowed by elliot, and his older brother, and he actually was a living, breathing monument to every parent telling their children you know, push harder, work

harder. take your weaknesses, turn them into your strengths and that's exactly what ha young teddy roosevelt did. >> oh, yeah, absolutely right, joe. he had asthma as a child. and as a result his father was worried he was becoming an inso lid and he read books his father loved he was reading all the time he was afraid he was becoming too passive. so he said you have to make your body without the body the mind can't go as far as it couldp he set up a home gym and exerciseed like crazy and developed interests. he was so curious as a little kid pea loved bugs and birds and insects. and if fact, poor elliot had to leave the room because he had drawers filled with dissected birds but he kept the curiosities. i think parents when they see a kid when they love something when they are young for him it was bird and coreer is vation was legacy and fdr tamps and globes and used to study countries. if he knew where the stamp came from he wanted to know where

was the country and looked at encyclopedia what can i learn about the country and becomess the world war ii leader who has to understand countries and natural resource and the globe. so sometimes the hobbies stay with i yo and show curiosity which is great thing you want in your kid. >> before he was this big brash texan, lbj for president and senator, what kind of upbringing did he have that informed the man he became who of course, along with the civil rights leaders of the time, helped to change history? >> the interesting thing sea was very smart as a little kid or so his mother said. he could cite the alphabet when he was 2 and quoted poetry at 4 but school never spoke to him. he was not a good student to the great dismay of his mother and refused to go to college and went out for two years to see if he could make it in california and came back and went to college. and he gets to college now i am going to really settle down. i have to find out where's the power. who can be my mentor and he has

a job outside collecting garbage. decides i will collect more garbage in the quickest amount of time and they will notice me. they bring him inside and he decides i want to mop outside of the president's office because the president's got the power. and he so talkative to the president the president invites him in the office and he becomes a messenger for the president and he is living in the president's house. and he is on his way. but it took something and the interesting thing is he took a year off from college and went to teach a small mexican american school. and the kids were really poor. and the kids he could see the scarf prejudice on their faces and gave part of the salary for soccer a baseball games but it touched something to make life different and that's the beginning and when he gives the great we shall overcome speech he goes back that was the moment when i wanted to do something for the kids. i didn't have a lot that i could do then, but now i am president of the united states, he said before a joint session of kron gres, i can do something for the kids and grand kids and i have the pour now and intend to use it.

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prioritizing legislation to make child care affordable and if so, what specific piece of legislation will you advance? >> well, i would do that, and we are sitting down, you know, i was somebody we had senator marco rubio, and my daughter ivanka was so impactful on that issue. it's an important issue. but i think when you talk about the kind of numbers that i am talking about, that -- because, child care is child care. you know, something you have to have it in this country you have to have it. and but when you talk about those numbers, compared to the kind of numbers i am talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they are not used to, but they will get used to it quickly and it won't stop them from doing business but they will have a substantial tax when they send product into the country. numbers are so much bigger than any numbers we are talking about including child care. >> i think we have time for one more report.

bart simpson. >> oh. >> is your book report on treasure island ready? >> is it ready? what a question. fellow students prepare tore dazzled. well, as she mentioned, the name of the book that i read was treasure island. it's about these pirates. pirates with patches over their eyes, and shiny gold teeth. and birds on their shoulders. did i mention this book was written by a guy named robert lewis stephenson and published by the good people at mcgraw hill. so in conclusion, on this simpson scale of 1 to 10, 10 the highest and 1 lowest and 5 average i give the book a 9. any questions no? i will sit down. >> bart, did you read the book. >> i am insulted, is this a book report or a witch hunt. >> perhaps you would like to tell us the name of the pirate. >> black beard, captain nemo.

long john silver. bluebeard. >> sit down, bart, i will see you after class. oh. >> that looks -- >> oh. >> that looks familiar. >> not just on simpsons. >> that hit home. >> my academic career. >> that hit hole. joining the conversation this hour we have mike barnacle host the podcast on brand with donny and donny,. >> like me when he a few book reports. >> and someone who did cohost of msnbc the weekend symone sanders townsend. good to have you. >> you know it's so interesting york i look at what donald trump and those that desperately want a guy who wants to be an autocrat in office, wants him to be elected, and they will accuse kamala harris of engaging in word salad. when there you saw donald trump three feet deep in lettuce,

croutons, and sentence fragments. it's just like them accusing her of changing her positions when donald trump changes his positions on abortion day by day saying he is going to be a champion for women's reproductive rights and the next they say he is not going to be a champion of women a reproductive rights and the next day saying he is going to vote for getting rid of a six- week ban in floor dan the next day he says he is going to vote against it and having a speech saying we need to let as many immigrants in as we can. again, if you look at her approval rating right now, and you look at kamala harris on the issues, their attacks are not hitting because whatever they want to accuse her of, donald trump is actually more guilty, and in this case, word salad, please, mika said the people keeping a straight face after asking the question deserved combat pay. >> zoom in on those folks.

>> yeah. >> i mean, those were serious people. this was not a rally crowd that he was addressing. and the phrase of the day has to be child care is child care. we didn't know that. but it's important thing. look, he's gotten away with this all of his life. he is going to continue to get away with it until election day. and he won't change. he's an inch deep and a mile wide. always has been. and it's jibberish and he might as well go humma humma humma the old jackie gleason stuff but he doesn't but this is the end of it. i just have a sense out there in the country, this great country called america, that he's such an old tired act. people don't like reruns. you don't really buy netflix to watch reruns. you want something new with something promising and elections are about the future as we said a million times and this man is the past. >> so just a few days ago we

heard trump talk about the weave. and how he would try to connect the ideas together. that's not the weave. >> that was the weave. >> that was nonsense, donny, and i have to say, that if president biden had offerred an answer like that at any point you can see the screaming headlines as to questioning his fitness for office. i think trump deserves that same sort of scrutiny here. clearly, and i think to mike's point, you know, that sort of his act whether it's tired or old. the contrast of the future of vision for the future is going to be on full display in just a few days. >> yeah. >> donald trump will be on debate page with kamala harris and not only is the age gap now suddenly advantage democrats, but if he starts to talk like that, and she is the prosecutor, and can put convict versus con on display, could be a long night for the republican nominee. >> you got two things going on. basically, two characters as you said one old and one new, one yesterday, one tomorrow. but on the issues, and that's

where i love the joe you talk about it and i talk people go i don't like donald trump i am voting for him on issues and the key issues on crime is down 24% in this country. the economy every which way we don't do list gdp and jobs jobs number this morning everything is through the off and immigration argument that basically the lankford bill was killed by republicans. you don't have persona and you have the old persona and you don't have issues and i am looking forward to a lot of pool say debates don't matter. this was a last debate that mattered begly as donald trump will say and we will see contrast on issues and human characterization that the democrats will win also. >> more morning joe weekend after a quick break. weekend after a quick break. while loading up our suv, one extra push and... crack! so, we scheduled at safelite.com. we were able to track our technician

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when i had biden, you and i had the same discussion.

and i let him talk. i am going to let her talk. and debate is not just -- you can go in with all the strategy you want, but you have to feel it out as debate is taking place. i've seen it and you go in with strategy. mike tyson made the statement everybody made the statement everybody has plan until they are punched in the face. it was a brilliant statement. so i can tell sean exactly what i am going to do, but you know, things change and depends on a, b, c. will they be fair if they are not fair i am going to be a little different than if they are. i hope that they are going to be fair. >> that is one of the all the tile great pieces of wisdom from donald trump he is right from mike tyson he is right about that. symone let's talk about the strategy vice president harris someone you worked for as well. how is she approaching this and the bar from last june from the previous debate is relatively low from what president biden

did at the debate which changed this race and perhaps history. how should she be looking at this debate? >> well, willie, i think the voice president should look at debate as an opportunity to speak directly to the american people. there will not be an audience and it will be donald trump vice president harris, and the moderators. and there could be a tendency because it's how donald trump operates to get caught up in the back and forth with him, but finding moments to turn directly to the camera and vice president looking directly into the camera talking to the folks who are watching, letting her -- letting them know she sees them and her agenda, which she is calling her opportunity agenda aropportunity economy is one for them and will fight for them and how different that is from the other person standing on the stage. it is going to be important. i know they are in pittsburgh doing their debate prep which is smart because you can do it at naval observatory or howard

university where she did it in 2020 and earlier this year she was at howard, but being in pittsburgh and getting earned media from being in the city, being in the state of pennsylvania, having the opportunity to pop out and do some off the record stops and coming back in and you know honing the message. so look, think the vice president has been in a number of debates throughout her career and is no stranger but donald trump is a little bit different of an animal. is he going to walk up on her? i sure they practiced that. what will you do between what secretary clinton did in 2016 so all of those things matter. can i say something about child care? donald trump not only was in a word salad but seems to not understand child care in america. and that is a huge thing for the potential former president of the united states and someone who would like the job again to not understand the biggest bill that families have. the tariffs he wants to put on china are not going to alive the child care issues. like they didn't relieve the

issues for the farmers last time he put the tariffs on. the government gave out billions of dollars throughout donald trump's presidency. there's a precedent, and the fact that he does not understand child care in america, the biggest bill for families in one of the biggest bills for families in the country, in my opinion should be disqualifying or warrant more questions. i don't know. >> i mean. >> really good. >> i agree literally the only child care proposal from the trump many campaign in the last week is jd vance suggesting aunts and uncles should step in who may have children and therefore need child care but it falls to grandparents who may live across the other side of the country. that's not really a child care proposal. mika, i reached out to someone who advices donald trump about degreat prep and what he happening and his reply a trump -- debate trump for trump is defined through theatrics of his performance. what he at risk for kamala harris because we know he is

going to go in to this wanting to get under her skin and rattle her and he did manage to rattle a couple times hillary clinton when he debated her in 2016, 2020 i am not counting 2020 because it was not a debate it was a freak show honestly. what do you think the risks are for kamala harris going into this? >> i think the biggest risk of kamala harris is gender. her gender. she is a female. and this is a sexist society we live in in large part. donald trump's base is guys, bros trump bros and she risk being overly aggressive how to handle him symome talks. if he walks up her and look at him and say what's up with this. something like that. you know, just something short and simple. but i think her risk is coming across as being too aggressive there's a fine line to draw

between being a prosecutor and really getting into the issues and showing displaying the fact that what we talked about child tax care credit. does know how it works? he has no clue how it works with american families. none, zero. and those are disqualifying factors symone pointed out. make him explain legislation he promises to pass. and he can't. >> interesting. interesting. i kind of think on the gender issue, she got that at the same time, to mike's point, donald trump doesn't play by the rules. he doesn't care about the truth, and he throws so much against the wall we have seen time and time again, run over very talented intelligent people so there's lots of risks. what's the key for kamala harris in the debate? >> well, first of all, kamala harris can have a plan. because we know what donald trump's act is. he's going to say he had the greatest economy ever, he is going to say biden-harris had the worst economy ever and he

is going to say the border was more secure than ever under him. and now it's crazy border of all time he will exaggerate and he is going to try to provoke. the key is we will hear people talk about the prosecutor versus the felon. and that's not the approach i believe personally that will work. the most important thing is she takes the happy warrior. she takes that persona that we have seen at one campaign speech after another campaign speech, to another. and she takes that into the debate and she is a happy warrior and when donald trump gets an answer like that, she just smiles and shakes her head like ronald reagan did, and doesn't have to say there he goes again. he could say okay since he didn't answer the question, let me answer the question. it's really pretty simple and has nothing to do with tariffs. and then she just again, she

goes through it and happy warrior deal is important because everybody that debated against donald trump has accused shocked, stunned, and dopely sadened and straight out of the rutels after -- you don't do what all of donald trump's past opponents have done. don't be horrified that he lies. he is going to lie. be ready when he lies for your response. don't be horrified when he exaggerate about his record or says how hobble your record is and is wrong. be there with a smile, and like ronald reagan did, when they said he was a warmonger that would lead to us world war iii or was going to cut medicare and medicaid, smile and say there you go again. let me tell outtruth. that's a real turning point for reagan in 1980 against jimmy carter. >> yeah. >> and it's so important that she is the happy warrior throughout the entire debate. >> i also wonder do moderators

correct lies when there's a fire hose. >> it's not their job it's not their job. >> and secondly. >> people that whine about that, that's the candidate's job. you hope the moderators would follow up, but they haven't. >> she has to make a long list and keep up with them. and then, i do hope they ask about things that he has said of late. like interfering with the elections and you know he should have the right -- i hope the questions are pertinent. >> they haven't in the past. >> i know. >> so she can't depend on that. >> bring it in. >> willie, she has to understand this is so much has to do with the way her message is presented and the way donald trump's message is presented and again, she has all the game film on this guy. all the game film. going back to 2016, seems like dozens of debates against one shocked and stunned and deeply saddened republican or democrat after another. she can look at the game films and she can look at every thing

that has not worked. and then be the happy warrior, give the facts and instead of being shocked and stunned at donald trump, shake her head going my gosh, you know, and in effect saying how did we sur five four years of this guy. >> maybe you invoke a little ronald reagan with a smile there you go again. you keep telling the same lies over and over and over again. and part of the frustration with president biden's performance at the debate beyond the obviously the viral moments that were troubling was the fact for a lot of democrats, and a lot of people watching at home, that donald trump kept throwing hanging curve balls over the middle of the plate, which frankly, people who watch this show every day, could answer and rebut and say no, no actually on immigration you killed the biggest piece of legislation that has come around in generations. so, she knows she is a prosecutor yes, but you don't have to and prosecutor you have to be smart which she is and you have to have studied the issues which she has and you

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let's bring in former treasury official and morning joe economicist steve rattner. you are looking at how the policies would do more harm to the states that support him. i want to talk about tacks. donald trump and kamala harris both want to raise taxes.

kamala harris is talking about actually raising taxes on corporations and the wealthiest of americans. and she is talking about though giving a big tax cut, big tax cred it to small business owners. that will benefit entrepreneurs. donald trump as a wall street journal editorial page said months ago, donald trump is proposed the biggest tax increases in this election through the form of tariffs. and who do tariffs hurt? they hurt consumers. they hurt middle class americans. they don't hurt the rich, they hurt consumers and middle class americans who can't afford the trump tariff tax that they are going to get hit with. >> yeah, the trump tariffs as you say, are actually a huge tax increase that would cost average american family something like $1600 a year. and even worse than that, it would affect the people at the bottom and in terms of

percentage of i come a the bottom than the top. it is regressive favoring the rich over the poor as sam and other people have said, raising inflation and really having a negative impact on the economy. there are two things about harris' announcement yesterday worth pointing out. the first is that unlike trump hop makes policy kind of on the fly wherever he is ivf we will pay for it we may not whatever. she starting to come out with detailed plans on housing and taxes and small business and so forth. and so she is running a campaign with policy unlike the former president except for the off the cuff kinds of things. and secondly, her proposal would increase taxes on the wealthy, and unlike trump which would decrease tax on wealthy try to get people to pay fair share and try to take a stab at addressing the deficit which we have all you and i talked a lot about, trump has no plan for that. and what you saw yesterday for harris is the beginning of a plan for that. >> good. let's talk about the first chart.

blue states pay. so. >> generally speaking what i think most people don't understand is that if you look at sort of the who gets and who gives among the states, you're going to find the blue states give a lot more to washington than they get from washington which is ironic given that you have a republican president who in effect wants to reduce what the disadvantaged that the red states have, and increase it for the blue states. but let's look at the chart. so if you look at the net of what people pay versus what they get. see in the far end of the spectrum are all blue states. they pay more to washington than they get from washington. and if you look over here on the right, you will see these are almost all red states with the exception of virginia and maryland, which are kind of special cases, because they have so much federal installations and military and so forth in the states. and so, this is what you see happening. most of this happens on the revenue side. residents of blue states are earn more than residents of red states so they pay more in

taxes. and roughly 3,000 dollars a year per per capita. >> it's fascinating. so what you say income redistribution here. >> well, exactly. >> hold on. income redistribution is coming from blue states and it is benefiting the very people that go around talking about socialism when they are the beneficiaries of income redistribution from blue states to red states. so if anybody is benefiting from a, quote, socialist redistribution scheme, how fascinating, it's mainly red states. >> joe, you said it better than i said. the blue states are wealthier than the red states. and so in our system, where we try to make people more equal, yes, government has tilted in favor of the red states the same government that trump would like to reduce or dismantle. >> still ahead, we will play for you a new oohed from

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>> disgusting. >> trump called servicemen suckers and losers. >> if trump has a second term. >> it will be worse than the noirs kamala harris is prosecutor. >> he is a convicted felon. >> 2024. >> i am be proudly voting for kamala harris. >> republican accountability pact is responsible for the content of the advertising. the push also features more than 80 billboards showing former trump voters from swing states saying they will now vote for harris. over the former president. joinings now sarah longwell executive director of republican voters against trump and the publisher of the bull works. sarah where will the new ad run and tell us more. what he at strategy hyped it. >> we are launching in pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, arizona and nebraska, too. which are some of the key states where we think that kamala harris needs to overperform to defeat donald trump. the strategy is simple. you have to build a permission

structure for republicans, soft gop voters right leaning independent people who are maybe voted for donald trump and in fact everybody in our campaign has voted for donald trump at least once, in many times, many cases twice. and but they are out on him. and what we have seen i do focus groups all the time. with voters and one of the things we have seen is a tremendous openness from some trump voters many of them are the kind of obama trump voters back from 2016, they tend to be people who only tune in right around now as the election gets really close and we have seen a tremendous openness to voting for kamala harris. people are interested. they want to hear more about what she stands for-they want to learn more. many of them don't know that much about her even though she was the vice president of the united states. and so they are getting to meet her for the first time. and so, what we are doing is taking republican voices, trump voting voices and elevating

them so that is a signal basically permission structure for other republican voters who are kamala curious, to say, you know what, just because i voted for trump or just because i identify as republican i am interested in voting for kamala harris. and i am going to do it because donald trump presents such a threat or i will tell you actually what we hear from voters more than anything else is people are bored by trump. they are bored by all the drama, they are tired of the insults and tired of the lies about the election. and they want to know what is somebody going to do for them. they want to know how they will handle the economy, handle inflation, and they are interested in new pitch and that's what kamala harris has. >> i add exhausted some republicans using that word, too to describe trump. so, one of the major flaws with polling in recent cycles is an undercount of trump supporters people theorize because some are unwilling to admit i am

going to vote for donald trump. do you think this time around we may have the opposite effect where there's republicans who may not be willing to acknowledge to a pollster or friends and family like you know i am not going to vote republican this time around. i am voting for the democratic nominee than when it comes to the ballot box the privacy of the ballot box pushed the button for harris. >> yeah, and think this is especially true sort of working class women. where you would be surprised how many of them are thinking about this race in sort of an entirely new frame. they like kamala harris. sort of noncollege, white working class women, real openness to her. now some has to do with the abortion as an issue. and but a lot of it is that they just feel like she is for them is something we say. she seems normal. they like the choice of tim walz as the vice president. and so, they are not 100% there yet. i want to be clear, that what they are saying is i am interested. i am listening.

although in other cases, we are seeing people who voted for trump in the focus group we did one, recently, i think you guys might have sound from it where the entire group had voted for trump previously, and every single one of them was going to vote for harris. and a lot of it was the contrast that they see between her message as being optimistic and uplifting and donald trump being doom and gloom and that exhaustion is in there. they are like i am tired and like the idea of something new. >> executive director reef pub can voters against trump, and publisher of the bull work sarah longwell, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning with that. coming up, editor and chief of atlantic jeffrey goldberg joins us to discuss his new book entitled, on heroism, mccain, milliony, matis and cowardness of donald trump straight ahead on morning joe weekend. straight ahead on morning joe weekend.

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he's not a war hero. he's war hero because he was captured i like people that weren't captured i hate to tell you. he's war hero because he was captured. okay. >> donald trump's infamous moment in 2015 when as a candidate he disparaged senator john mccain's status as a war hero. comments open up the new book by editor and chief of the atlantic jeffrey goldberg entitled, on heroism, mccain, milley matis and the cowardice on donald trump. >> we will get into the book in a minute. i want to underline something that i saw you talk about on washington week. of course, since you started hosting more people watch than watch the beatles on ed sullivan. it changed the landscape. >> that's true. a bit of a understatement. >> he does a good job at the weave.

>> he does the weave and you notice, kids in school if you go to school now, they have the goldberg haircut. >> no one weaves look i weave. >> i know. you are a weaver. >> weaver. >> so, you. >> amoment weavers. >> yeah, the weavers. also a folk fan. so, jeff, you made the point to your guests that donald trump will be brewedish at arlington going places no other politician has gone. he will have bizarre tweets daily. that suggest he is deeply unwell. and he will flip-flop on issues luke abortion and immigration, and just about everything else, lie constantly, and yet, the media will pretend like this is 1996 and it's clinton-dole and yes, but. kamala harris had tim walz with

her in her first interview. and this is -- i noticed the pace and i hate criticizing the mainstream media because mainly they do things right. but there is almost a desperation for them to pretend this race is like every other race. and the false moral equivalency is getting pretty bad, and we are just one day past labor day. talk about that, if you will. >> yeah, no. i mean, aids it really struck me and should have struck all of us about nine years ago, right, but it really struck me when he did his long talk on baties electricity and sharks remember that? whether it is bet are to be killed by a shark or by a battery falling into the ocean? and then you know, last week, it was this another sort of incredible disy significance about irrelevant things and i am listening thinking my god if

kamala harris spent ten minutes on stage randomly talking about whether -- first of all he doesn't understand how batteries work and how stored energy works. and if he spends last week talking about how people don't eat bacon because of windmills. that's not normal. i mean. it's not normal. and we can't act as if it is normal. and so we are operating with a double standard. kamala harris, we parse her speeches and interviews, and as if she is a serious human being who is taking slightly different positions on x or y or z and we are holding her accountable and fine especially fine in normal circumstance. but here we have a situation she is talking about things with normal band-- bandwith normal discussion and he is talking about other things and there's two race and

candidates. let's just say what it is. which is this person is outside the band width of what politicians have been through the modern era. >> that's not an argument against holding kamala harris about what she said she believes in 2019 and when she believes it's an argument for holding donald trump to the same standard. we touched on arlington flap of last week. >> yeah. >> where united states army, not some liberal podcaster or something, confirmed that the trump campaign physically pushed aside somebody who works at arlington who by the way tells you everything about it didn't want to be named or press charges because he or she feared the backlash or the hate or whatever that would come his or her way. but it gets your book on heroism and moments that have been stored away and now informing the narrative of donald trump, including the piece from general john kelly where he confirmed to you

donald trump talked about suckers and losers at a cemetery and wondering what was in it for them? talking to a man who lost his son not so long ago at war. so tell us a little bit about the idea of the book. >> yeah, and just to be clear, john kelly said in 2023 that to another network, that you know donald trump has done x, y and z but my first story in 2020 was based on numerous sources from inside the administration. trump spent a lot of time arguing with those sources, as if there was not a long previous record of him disparaging veterans serving soldiers generals and obviously john mccain. look, this is rooted in john mccain. 2015 moment was one of most bizarre moments because a lot of people, including me thought there's one thing that a republican candidate,

especially can't do. which is disparage war heroes. but that's not in the republican playbook. right. and he does this and i thought to myself, well, that's that for trump. back to the regular programming, but he went up in the polls after that and obviously he won the presidency. so, i was trying to understand for a long time trying to understand how why voters react to him that way. and then, the more time elapsed armor you realize that disparaging the military disparaging the generals who worked for him, disparaging wounded veterans i mean, saying literally i don't want to see them, i don't want them in a military parade because it makes me -- it makes me feel bad, or makes me -- it's gross or it's not pleasant to look at. you know, this is a regular occurrence. that's why this arlington cemetery incident is not -- doesn't stand alone. it is he doesn't understand the

role of the military in the psychological and social patriotic life of america. and he never really has. and so this book is attempt to figure out why he has these attitudes. and you know, the truth is, i don't know why. the one answer i would give is that he has contempt for everyone. we notice it more when he expresses contempt for people we generally hold in very high regard, including and especially john mccain and the various generals who did work for him for a time. >> coming up on morning joe, texas is home to one of the closest watched senate races of this election cycle. the democratic nominee congressman joins us next to discuss the state of that race as well as his recent trip to the southern border. ent trip t the southern border. keep the lights on. lucky for you, shopify built the just one-tapping, ridiculously fast-acting, sky-high sales stacking champion of

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private. >> that's a new campaign ad in one of the most watched senate races in the election cycle. tem kratts hope congressman colin allred can flip texas blue and send incumbent senator ted cruz packing in november. congressman allred is doubling down on reproductive rights in the state of the near total abortion ban. two polls show cruz leading by just 2 percentage points. it's close. and cos congressman allred joins us. i take abortion is playing a big role in the your campaign and in the election. what are you hearing on campaign trail? >> well it is playing a big role because it's a huge issues for us in texas. and austin who was in the ad is a dear friend of mine, and she is a wonderful person an ob-gyn herself and her husband is ob-

gyn and multi-generation texan and grew up near me in dallas and had to leave the state to get the care she needs. and it's a story playing out every day here in our state. and ted cruz is singularly responsible for the abortion ban and put judges on district courts and circuit court and supreme court and backed often in primaries the state legislators who passed the bans he supported the bans and wants to go further and ban ivf and access to forms of birth control. and so this is having a who are consequences here. >> hi, it's who will molly. i wanted to ask a question about sometimes in red states like what we saw in kansas with a red state pushed too far will revolt and they are hoping it becomes purpose and there's state where they say it's

enough. talk about what you see on the ground as you run for sen ath. >> as you know, i say we are nonvoting state and we have to change that. but it is true, texans are waking up to just how extreme the rhetoric that ted cruz over the last 12 years is now it is becoming law and policy. it is playing out in a personal way for so many texans. and in many ways, democrat national convention was about what's happening in texas. it's about reproductive rights taken away and a secure border where ted cruz prevented us from doing that. texans are waking up we don't have to have a senator we are embarrassed by we can have a a new one one with a record of getting things done and one rayed ray raised by a single monday and wants to serve the state instead of pitting us against each other. >> you touched upon the border. let's go deeper on that.

i mean, immigration of course, a signature issue this campaign. and you mentioned dn c and that was a moment where in ernest, democrats lead by vice president harris said we had a bill and we are ready to sign the bill. let's make the law. it was donald trump who told republicans to scudel it. is that resinating in texas? talk about the state of play at the border. in terms of crossings and how people feel about it. >> yeah. well my family is from brownsville the tip of texas. and my brand father was custom officer where my mom i was born and raised and i spent a host time there and was in the valley. folks are tired of ted cruz treating the valley like he is on an is a if ay. you put on outdoor clothing and see the sights and look through binoculars and leave and do nothing. because it's not your responsibility. but that's how he comes down to south texas. and comes and points out problems, puts on the outdoor clothing and looks tough and goes back to d.c. and stops legislation that would have

brought $20 billion for border security. and you know no state would have gotten more of that than texas. no state would have benefited more than that from texas. and so, for a texas senator that should have been a top priority. and we have to have one who will do that. that's what i will do. we know he won't. >> all right. >> democratic candidate for senate in texas congressman colin allred. thank you very much for coming on the show today. that's it for us this weekend. join us again tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern for a brand new week of morning joe. until then, thanks for joining us. enjoy the rest of your weekend. . rest of your weekend. . >> good morning, it is sunday, september 8 and i am alicia mendez along with symone sanders-townsend and michael steele in new york .