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. we are 48 hours from the first debate between harris and trump. harris and here team has been preparing trump's incoherence has gotten worse. >> they are going to save,ly onis going to save up a rocket. >> can you imagine you are a parent and your son leaves the house and you say, jimmy, i love you so much, go have a good day in school and your son comes back with a brutal operation. >> take a look at bacon in some of the products and some people don't eat bacon anymore >> this was caused by their horrible energy wind. >> they are so me andering his own supporters are leaving early. clear at there point who trump, who long prided himself as a show man is losing the room.

trump is embedded in the public consciousness as a rule breaker for so long it can be easy to forget how far he is from fulfilling the basic requirement of a politician to speak clearly. last week we saw what was arguably the most egregious example when trump did a q&a session at the economic club of new york. watch. >> if you win in november can you commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable and if so, what specific piece of legislation would you advance? >> i would do that and we are sitting down. i was somebody -- we had senator marco rubio and my daughter ivanca so impactful on that issue. it is a very important issue. but i think when you talk about the kind of numbers that i am talking about, that -- because -- look, childcare is childcare. it is something you have to have it in this country you have to have it. but when you talk about those

numbers compared to the kind of numbers that i am talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they are not used to but they will get used to it quickly. it will not stop them from doing business with us but they will have a substantial tax when they send product into our country. those numbers are bigger than any numbers we are talking about including childcare that it will take care. we are going to have -- i look forward to having no -- deficits in a short period of time. and talking about fraud, i have to stay with childcare. i want to stay with childcare but the numbers are small relative to the economic numbers that i am talking about. including growth. but growth also headed up by what the plan is, that i just told you about. we will be taking in trillions of dollars and as much as childcare was talked about as

being expensive relatively speaking not expensive compared to the numbers we will be taking in. >> we wanted to play it in its entirety so you see it all for yourself and no one says you edited it or cut it. in case it was lost there. the question was about what spectacular childcare legislation would trump advance? >> something a politician, presidential candidate should be able to answer easily if he had a piece of legislation that he was aware of. it was not a rally filled with his diehard supporters. this is a room of economic experts wanting to hear him explain his policies and legislation. since then, top economic thinkers including the woman who asked him that same question have blasted trump's word style. so, once again, he lost the room. but if you did not watch that with your own eyes and insteadry lied on legacy media outlets for the story you might

have been left with a totally different perspective. instead of focusing on trump's nonanswer outlets, the "new york times," the associated press all presented the bizarre spectacle as if it it was a normal policy driven speech. and explosive economic growth. we are now 10 years into covering donald trump and the media is still choosing to sanitize trump's nonsensical ramblings. the same media that did not shy away from biden's age and mental i queuityquity. there can not be a free pass the stakes are too high.

here is my panel. molly, i will start with you. your reaction to that stunning failure. both from trump to answer the specific question about legislation and what i would call, the failure of the media to say trump will pay for childcare by raising tariffs. >> they have to, wherever you quote trump and you look at the transcript i am always like that can not be it. those are not sentences. they put them together to appear nonpartisan. but, appearing nonpartisan makes trump seem like a different person. i would say what was good about

that moment was, she asked a very clear question and then she really kind of snuck in a follow up question. she was like, what is your policy and how are you going to implement it. where trump gets in trouble, he gets in trouble a lot of trouble and lying and, you know, where he gets in trouble is when you ask him how, right? >> yes. >> trump loves to boast about his rallies but even supporters tire of him, leaving early. you saw the flat lining of the rnc when he took the stage for i guess close to two hours, held a rally in pennsylvania and by the end of it a large number of the 8,000 seats were emptied. is the rambling turning them off or the same playbook?

>> i think it is a bit of all of the above. i think that everyone has a bit of fatigue, even some of the trump supporters now, not the culty trump supporters but the trump supporters that go, okay. we kind of seen this. it is like the, you know, you are a fan of an entertainer and comedian and they give a performance where you are like that was not the greatest. people are tired of it. he has no new material. that is the bottom line, keeps repeating the same things over and over and over again and they are looking for more. and there is, when he tries to give more we hear the salute insanity. trump has been off the rails. ramblings of a salute lunatic every day. and, the media does, to molly's point, try to, some media, try to report it in a way that

normalizes it. there is no normalization of donald trump putting out these threads where he is threatening to jail donors, jail people, election officials, people he is threatening mass deportations, haddie is threatening cease and desist, you do not get to do that to people because you are mad at them. it is insane. and, yet, there is little coverage of it. it is almost, it is trump being trump. no. that would be fine if he were still the reality show host on the apprentice. he is running for president of the united states again. control of the nuclear codes, this is a problem. and it is why people are able to say, well, i might not like him but i like his policies. what policies are those? and you don't get to excuse the fact that he did. horrible person and think that separates his ability to govern. they are interconnected.

stop giving people a pass for still supporting someone that is this dangerous to our country. that is why you saw a woman, a republican woman was interviewed and asked why she was supporting harris and you know, she is a normal human being. that is refreshing. that woman that cried tears in pittsburgh hit hard for so many of us because that woman is just -- i think she represents a lot of america just saying are we going to be okay? and kamala harris showed empathy, compassion, things that a well, normal-adjusted human being demonstrates. he is none of those things. >> incapable. >> stop normalizing it. >> tom, you think a childcare question would be a simple question to answer. so, give me your thoughts on how revealing was this moment or is it not revealing at all in the sense that his base his follower would not watch it,

they are reading the headlines as i mentioned if it is in the "new york times" or other news sites that kind of just, you know. sane washed it as molly said. >> what is revealed is, he does not care about policy. his followers don't care about policy. you know, something. people saying i like his policies. that is nonsense. that is top cover for them saying i just like the fact that he makes people mad and he hates the people i hate. his policies change in so far as he has any, every 30 seconds. that notion that, well, we have to talk about trump's policies goes to molly's point. a lot of reporters, i think, find themselves saying i can't write this. i can't write that the gop nominee is this unhinged emotionally unstable, you know,

deeply messed up person. i am a serious person and serious people write about policy so therefore i have to write about policy. that means i have to ignore trump and ignore democrats and the republicans are making hay out of that. they are constantly saying you have to go, you know, drill down deep on harris'policies and when they turn to trump to what is your policy, it is something t is important, looking at it strongly. more is coming, marco rubio, sharks, batteries, stuff. [ laughter ] >> it is always two weeks. >> right >> and the interesting thing, molly, some of the polls coming out, neck and neck, something that was buried deep that our producer found. green states, trump is saying he so the decline. voters in michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin think that kamala harris is more mentally fit to serve as

president than trump. again, it is not a surprise for any of us who watch this and see this day in and day out. trump is not fit for off. there is what the people think of him. he is not totally with it. i think what is really interesting about all of these polls is that they show trump has a ceiling and she has a ways to go. they have a ground game for this very reason. trump world does not have a ground game. voter integrity which i think means they will try to intimidate people and maybe sue about results. but, harris does have a real ground -- have a real ground plan. they are going on a bus tour.

and harris opened the map in georgia and north carolina. so, one of the great things about having a 59-year-old candidate who does not play golf and live in, you know, her country club is that she can now go and spend the next, which she must do, the next 58, 59 days on a bus, going to every single swing state again and again and again and letting people know her. she is quite good when she campaigns and that is what she needs to do. i think the vice president, i think her vice presidential candidate tim walz can do the same. >> yes. you have a candidate who can actually campaign and that is making the difference. before i go i got to get your thoughts the debate that trump had against joe biden that set all of this in motion, people forget how bad donald trump's performance was. everybody was focused on joe biden, right? donald trump lied his way completely incoherent throughout the debate.

he will not have that going up against harris. a disciplined former prosecute who is 20 years younger than him. >> absolutely not. he is setting it low. complaining about everything going into this debate that is what he does. he knows he is incapable. he knows he is going to lose. he does not have the same mental acuity or agility. and i said it reportedly. he is about to get cross examined for the first time in front of the american people in a way that he has never faced before. she is literally a prosecutor against a felon. that visual alone is something process: it trump is who he is. it is up to her to make sure the american people fully understand that contrast. it is an important one. >> everyone stick around i have more to discuss. up next, trump was not the only one who stumbled over the

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in his ignorance about his childcare. his runningmate, j.d. advances on a similar run. his ignorance on display, yet again, last week, watch. >> one of the ways you might be able to relieve pressure on people who are paying so much for daycare, make it so, maybe, grandma and grandpa wants to help out a little bit more. if that happens you relieve some of the pressures on all of the resources we are spending on daycare. >> yeah, so, vance carved out a reputation of being a clueless mesongonist and cat ladies and the role of the post-menopausal female caring for children. he posted a tweet that was more blunt claiming universal daycare is class wear against normal people. the trump vance ticket play claim to be pro family but the policy platform is pure delusion. and the gap between rhetoric and concrete results is a theme

of the fake populism of trump vance republicans, my panel is back with me. tom, your thoughts on this. how do you see this pro family push working for trump and fans so far? i have to say it is laughable to call it a push. especially after what we heard this week from these two guys. unable to answer a question about childcare. >> this really is the answer. -- tell her to pitch in, they are not doing anything all day. i say this, i was raised in the 1960s and both of my parents working. i was raised for a few years by my greek grandmother. that, i can tell you, i love my grandmother but that is not a

great system, you know. things get fight, call grandma if they are just there. i think this is something that comes across, even if everyone else is there to be a supporting player to the likes of people like vance. your grandmother, they don't have lives they are there to help you, you know, realize your fullest potential in life. and, it is arrogant and self- centered and assumes everybody has a grandmother and grandfather and an aunt and uncle sitting around within driving distance of them. yes. >> to help out. >> yes. an interesting point. the majority of americans don't live within, you know, childcare distance of their grandparents. he thinks childcare is dropping off kids for a couple of hours so some other adult can be

responsible for them. it paints a picture as tom was saying, when you look at the comments this week. you look at the previous comments in post roe america that he envisioned ask throws it back to the 50s with grandparents doing everything. it shows you how out of touch they are with where america is as a concrete -- socially and economically and culturally. and row is so important, right? when they over turn it. it was punitive. no exceptions for the life of the mother and rain and incest and a lot of republicans toy with the idea that is indicative of it is, it is culture wars it is not a

policy. the reason they did project 25 is it is interesting, he outsourced it. >> this is not what everyone wants, not a lot of interest for policy for a lot of them. a culture war again. this is what republicans are campaigning on a pro family party having trump on the top of the ticket. with his history it does not jive. >> yep. yeah, the hypocrisy of all of that is, it is a lot. but, like, looking at j.d. vance, the more he speaks the more trouble you see he is as an individual. he is obviously got a lot of unresolved issues when it comes to family. when it comes to women.

we are seeing him work work through it. him being a heartbeat away from the precedency if god forbid trump would win. american women are looking at this ticket and saying, is this really who we want making decisions for our lives? for our children's lives? our daughters lives? you know, we put out an ad called hope. and it targets ivf girl dads. the ivf debate is important. they say they are pro family but yet these are people who don't care if ivf is taken away or contraception and they want to tell people how to create their families and the girl dads are looking at it saying i don't want these people telling me and my wife how and when we are to become parents. take me from the ability to protect me from my daughter. that is the overturning of roe

that is created. you being looking at the initiatives, looking at trump and vance saying. give it back to states. the states should decide. look at what is laning in missouri. ballot initiatives and signatures. now they are questioning the signatures. you don't want to leave these decisions up to maga people who are in positions of power in the states. it should cotified. you don't think you want a national abortion ban? of course they do. you can not trust what these people say. distorted viewpoint what we as individuals should or should not do. if we shoos to have them or not. that is nothing conservative about that. we saw it on full display this week. i want to get to j.d. vance's reaction to this tragic shooting, the school shooting that left four people dead including two children and four

teachers, watch this. >> look. i don't like this. i don't like to admit this. i don't like it is a fact of life. if you are, if you are a psycho, and you want to make headlines, our schools are soft targets and we have to bolster security at our schools. >> how can republicans claim to be working to protect children when they are doing nothing to prevent the shootings as j.d. put it are facts of life? >> you know, school shootings picked up speed in the early 1980s, late 1970s. and getting worse. and mass shootings have become more common. mass catastrophe events. for someone who wants to be vice president of the united states, simply say, you know, what are you going to do? these things happen. we don't, we don't elect people to simply throw up their hands and say these things happen. we can argue about if the issue

is mental health. i think that is a big part of it. argue if the issue is too many guns, clearly a part of it. again, it shows you how vance has approached his entire career as. you are all here to help me. jd fans become, prominent and the vice president of the u.s. you know, if these gun things happen, what, what can you possibly ask me to do about it? >> basically wants the schools to become bunkers at this point. that is the only policy. thank you very much, greatly appreciate you as always. >> coming up, trump wants elon, elon musk to tackle waste, once again, wonder why, that is next again, wonder why, that is next

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first, government policy shaped by petty, insecure billionaire. he is talking about himself. >> the suggestion of elon musk. i will create a government efficiency task of conducting a financial and performance audit of the entire federal government and making recommendations for drastic reforms. and elon, because he is not very busy, has agreed to head that task force. >> that was trump vowing to pick elon musk, the owner of x, to head a so-called efficiency commission that would include an audit of the government and recommend drastic reforms. plusk, who has publicly endorsed the ex-president and created a pro-trump pack said he can not wait to work with trump's administration if he

win. >> what makes musk bought by twitter and tanked by billions so qualified. it was transactional with it: we will use x one of the biggest social media reforms to tip it in trump's favor. musk held to trump with the two billionaires bonded on union busting and firing workers who try to organize and musk's obsession of using a.i. in an attempt to turn voters against harris. even though the government does not allow it. >> he posted a bizarre a.i. photo, clearly fake. and bonus information in the caption saying kamala harris wants to be a communist dictator on day one when he is

not doing that he is sharing posts quote, himself, as to why trump must win and repoeting far-right meme's reposting. whatever that means means one of the positions falsely accuse democrats of reporting illegal voters into hopes of getting their votes. and pro-trump users who spread the conspiracy theory that is as democrats will use immigration to cheat in swing states. and late last week, musk zeroed in on one of those states, amplifying a false claim from trump allies that arizona is refusing to remove illegal immigrants from voter roles, when we come back we will talk to someone at the center of the

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. i want to tell you about a guy from arizona. a guy that is in charge of a lot of documents, you probably will not know his name and you probably will not know what his job title means, he is a republican and he is maga's top

targets on the war on truth. maracop accounty reporter, in this position he had to fend off attacks from trump's unhinged allies including failed arizona kari lake who baselessly linked blamed him for her lots. >> if stephen richer walked into this room i would lynch him. >> his recent adversary, x, owner and trump suck up, musk, he reposted a claim that more than 200,000 illegal imgrants registered to vote in arizona. richard took him to task politely saying facts on his own platform, pointing out that there is 0validity to it. musk continued his voter fraud obsession posting electric voting machines and anything mailed in is risky mandate

paper ballots and in-person voting only. once again, richard responded this time with a more than generous offer to give musk a tour of the election facility to show him the security steps that are already in place. even offered to take recommendations from him afterwards, would be neat to put one of the world's best entrepreneur brains, more productive than social media analysis and musk asked, arizona is refusing to remove illegals from voter rolls? baseless stephen miller's maga law firm. once again, this point, having the patience of a saint, richard responded. hi, elon, this is a lawsuit. you are familiar with them. lawsuits can allege anything, allegation is an allegation because it has not been proven. he went on to explain more than 50 lawsuits alleging voter fraud have been filed against

him and his office since he took the job. and they have not lost a single one. impressive record with all of the victories you managed. mad props for being, having the stamina to respond to all of these people t. speaks to a testament about a lot of the people that work in this country on the frontlines of protecting our democracy. i want to get to the lawsuit first. what made you want to take on musk this way? >> it is just flabbergasting that he would just take complete truth a lawsuit from a group that lost lawsuits without looking at the response or things that we posted to social media. i would not say that is a problem but when it says it is

from an account with two that many followers they take it as gospel. >> why is your county and 14 others being sued. why are they obsessed with you and arizona? >> i think they are obsessed with arizona because it is a battleground state and arizona was the locus of so many allegations there was a stolen election in 2020. now, i am sure they would say, well, arizona is a border state, so we have a particular interest in maintaining the integrity of the process. well, fortunately and something that musk fails to note, arizona is one of few states in the country that has a documented proof of citizenship law in order to be able to vote a full ballot. so, while arizona according to musk is way behind every other state and refusing to do the basic securities we are

actually ahead of most states and the numbers that were cited in his posts were wildly inaccurate. aside from that, i guess it was a productive post. >> you bring up a good point. i am glad you dismantled it the way you just did. it raises the point that, i mean, fraud lines, when you are one ever the richest men in the world and you have a platform like you said, hundreds of millions of followers, conspiracy theories nots to mention the attacks from people like stephen miller it is not just about the disinformation, what kind of danger does this put you and your colleagues in? >> reporter: well, i don't remember if it was spider-man or george w. bush who said great power comes great responsibility, but, i think this is truth that. when people like mr. musk post on twitter or speak to various news outlets and it is just filled with innuendo or lies or

inaccurate information then its office is like mine. and, 150 full time employees that are in my office. who see the downstream effects of that. i will tell you that while some downstream effects take the form of pay, i would like to know more about what mr. musk is posting, some take a very ugly and very violent form and i am just here to say to those leaders and people like mr. musk, be jeu dishous. judicious so we don't have to see that on the back end. >> i want to talk about the attacks. you are a republican. you famously stood up against trump's election lies and for that you are a target in the maga world. in 2021 he accused you of deleting files from the 2020 election, we played that. maricop accounty vice chair

saying she would lynch you, an act of political violence, a threat what is it like for you as a republican becoming a major maga target.. >> reporter: it is disappointing. it is bizarre. i would say i line up with traditional conservative values on at least 18 out of the 20 items. but the reality is that, the facts, the truth, the law, it was never on the side of the people who want to allege mass fraud in our electoral system. never on the side of the people who want to say the 2020 election was stolen. you said kindly, thank you, that my office faced more than 50 lawsuits and that we won all of those. it is not because we are brilliant or we went to, i went to university of chicago which i like to think is the best law school but nothing to do with that. it has to do everything to do with the facts and the law being on our side. it is really just that simple.

i am stubborn in pointing out the facts and with that, promote much higher and it is saddening to see it. >> how alarming are you at the reality that arizona republicans are still supportive of these election lies almost four years on. last month you lost your primary race to the state representative by plane prominent republicans who refuse to accept joe biden's victory including kari lake. >> yeah. i mean, we are the party of abraham lincoln, the party of ronald reagan, we are we bastardized all of that to just fixate on this one false, it is that the election stolen. it is so central to what it means to be a republican here in arizona such as when i did not want to get on board with

that, it was disqualifying in the primary of 2024, disqualifying for the primary in 2022. u.s. senate, gubernatorial, but, the catch is, is that it makes it very hard to win a general election in a competitive state like arizona. not only have we bought into this falsity, full stop we are losing general elections left and right and so, the republican party of mccain, kyle, hallowed out. that is one of the many sad side effects of trump's precedency. the destruction of the republican party. >> can i ask you quickly before we go, this week, republicans, big name republicans like dick cheney and his daughter endorsing harris. you don't have to answer this question but have you made up your mind on who you would vote for given what you outline and

personally experience as a defender of our democracy? >> so, in my role as an election minister i would talk about it too much but i played up my mind. i will never vote for anyone who gives purchase to these lies about something as fundamental to our system of governance as was the 2020 election stolen. >> thank you for your time and insight. thank you for everything you are doing to protect our democracy in maricop accounty, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me on. up next, the story of a brave little girl struggling with deep trauma after a year of war in gaza a year of war in gaza

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amount of trauma. mental harm by hunger and food strikes. >> reporter: 8-year-old sama spends her days telling her mother she would like to go digging for her toys and dresses, buried in the rubble. but there is something she wants even more than that. she is desperate for her hair to grow back. for her hair to grow back. . >> a child nearly bald. due to the trauma and stress caused by shelling and fear of israeli air strikes. doctors also point to a poor diet and a lack of vitamins. a.

. >> her mother watches with a heavy heart. mother watches wia heavy heart. her hair began falling within days of the war starting. fall days of the war starting. . >> there is nothing she nor any doctor can do here for sama. the medicine her daughter needs is not available in gaza due to the war. her sister wears a bandana in

solidarity and to pass time sama plays with a doll whose hair she braids while longing for her own. the little girl who was once at the top of her class now barely leaves her mother's side. it is not only the bombing she is scared of, it is also the bullying. of, it is also the bullying. [crying] [crying] sama wishes for her hair to grow back on her ninth birthday. a year to the day when the conflict began; months of violence, displacement, starvation and disease caused

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