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you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." at this hour, kamala harris says she's ready to go. what we're learning about her final hours of practice before debating donald trump, and her plans to launch a major campaign tour right afterwards. standing by on the sidelines, nikki haley says she told trump's team she'd campaign for him, so why haven't they asked her yet? plus, major developments in the case of a man accused of murdering four idaho college students as they slept. why a judge ruled that bryan kohberger's trial needs to be moved out of the town where the killings took place. and the hunt for a highway gunman enters day three. helicopters, dogs, drones, all leading in the search for a suspect who fired from the ledge of a cliff, hitting speeding cars below, and injuring five people. we're live on the scene in kentucky. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we start with kamala harris declaring she's ready for tomorrow's big debate and making

plans for what comes next. nbc's aaron gilchrist is in pittsburgh with the vice president. what more can you tell us, aaron? >> reporter: well, chris, the campaign has said that the vice president and the campaign are taking this debate with former president trump very seriously. he obviously is someone who's had a few opportunities to debate for a public office over the last couple of years. the vice president, it's been four years since she's participated in a debate. the last five days have been spent in pittsburgh really pouring over process here, going through briefing books her staff has prepared for her, according to sources and having mock debate sessions, complete with someone standing in as donald trump where she has been able to field questions that may come from the moderators at in debate tomorrow night, and also practice, rehearse how she might respond to former president trump on the stage if he were to lob some of the insults that we have seen him on the campaign trail at her on the debate stage tomorrow night.

i want you to hear how the vice president responded. she made a couple of outings this past weekend. how she responded to reporters when asked how things were going with the debate prep process. >> madame, vice president, how will you handle it on the debate stage if trump has a personal attack? >> reporter: are you ready, mrs. vice president? >> ready. >> reporter: she responded that she is ready. part of the readiness is going to be obviously talking about the ideas that she has, the things she wants to do as president, but she also will have to be able to stand up to former president trump and anything he may say to her. she indicates that she is prepared for him to lie on the debate stage and that she's ready to respond to those things as well. then, it's right on to the campaign trail again. we know the vice president is going to be launching what her campaign is calling the new way forward tour on thursday. the vice president will barn

storm in north carolina, going to charlotte and to greensboro. as we understand it, the idea there is to mobilize support and to try to reach out to potentially new voters in the critical states of north carolina and pennsylvania. she'll go to pennsylvania on friday. her running mate tim walz will be on the campaign trail. he's be visiting michigan and wisconsin as part of his barn storming effort. >> thank you for leading me to a live picture out of raleigh, north carolina. two of the folks, you see doug emhoff, the vice president's husband is there, and there's gwen walz. tim walz, the vice presidential nominee's wife. and they're talking about reproductive freedom in north carolina, one of the key battleground states. kamala harris may be down, but the campaign definitely is not. and she may have endorsed him almost two months ago, but nikki haley says donald trump isn't asking for help on the campaign

trail. nbc's dasha burns is following that for us. so what is nikki haley saying here? >> well, look, chris, those nikki haley voters, the people who voted for her in the primaries, some of them voting for her even after their states -- after she was out of the race in places like pennsylvania. i can tell you, they're going to be watching this debate very closely. a lot of those are those moderate republicans that are really torn about what to do. and nikki haley has endorsed the former president, not the most ringing endorsement. and take a listen to what she said over the weekend. >> you spoke at the convention. but are you going to campaign for him? >> you know, he knows i'm on stand by. >> you said you're on stand by, in other words, you haven't been asked to campaign, are you advising at all in his debate preparation, speaking to the campaign? >> i'm not. and, you know, that's his choice. whatever he decides to do with his campaign, he can do that. when i called him back in june,

i told him i was supportive. the teams have talked to each other a little bit. there hasn't been a ask. should he ask, i'm happy to be helpful. >> reporter: and, you know, chris, there are a lot of operatives and voters, frankly, that i have talked to that say it would behoove former president trump and his team in the fold, especially when you have dick and liz cheney, endorsing kamala harris. you need to combat that a little bit, and somebody like haley could add a lot to the fold, but doesn't sound like they're interested, at least not at this point. >> it surely doesn't. dasha burns, thank you. now to breaking news, murder suspect bryan kohberger's trial is being moved out of the university of idaho collegetown where he's accused of murdering four students. nbc's morgan chesky is following this for us? why did he come to this decision? >> reporter: this is a question

all summer long. the hearing lasted a better part of a day two weeks ago. this is just a portion of the decision. that judge saying in part that considering the undisputed evidence presented by the defense, the extreme nature of the news coverage in this case, and the smaller population in latah county, the defense has met the standard of demonstrating reasonable likelihood that presidential news coverage will a fair trial. one of the things we heard from witnesses called by the defense was the overwhelming amount of news coverage this case received. that report from the judge mentioning thousands of news articles that the defense presented to him stating that it was simply impossible in this tight knit community of moscow to have an impartial jury. another key issue here, chris, is the fact that the courthouse itself, the judge acknowledged,

was not equipped staff-wise or resource wise, to handle a trial of this magnitude. and that is one of the reasons that while we know it won't happen in moscow, idaho, the decision goes to an administrative director to decide the new venue. the name we have been hearing this whole time has been in boise, a much larger city there, much more better resource to handle a trial of this nature. chris, just in the last few minutes or, so we have had a chance to hear from the family of caylee saying the only thing about the decision is it will be the judge's last decision in the case. why did we waste other a year in the county he knew he was not going to handle the trial. so they are clearly incensed about this judge's decision, and

now all eyes go to where it could be popping up potentially next. chris. >> morgan chesky, thank you. now to kentucky and the intense search continuing for a gunman who opened fire on an interstate. nbc's adrienne broaddus is in london, kentucky, for us, what more do we know about the suspect and how he's managed to elude officials? >> reporter: well, chris, court documents are shedding some light on what happened prior to that shooting. about 30 minutes before the shooting, joseph couch sent a text message to someone saying in part, i'm going to kill a lot of people. well, try at least. he sends another message saying i'll kill myself afterwards. we know five people were seriously injured. one person shot in the face. another person shot in the arm. those five are expected to survive their injuries. at least 12 other vehicles were hit by gunfire. we're also learning more about

his background. for example, he spent at least four years serving in the national guard and the weapon, the ar-15, according to investigators, that weapon, along with ammo was purchased on the same day of the shooting. family members linked to couch have told investigators he suffered from ptsd. meanwhile, the search for him continues. even though the weapon was recovered that investigators believe was used in this highway shooting, this 32-year-old is still considered armed and dangerous, and they have a huge task when searching that wooded area, about 8 miles from where we are right now. take a listen. >> you actually need machetes and everything to get through the thickets of woods. you know, you can't do it very fast because you don't want to leave no rock unturned. >> now, those teens are considering bringing in robots to help with that search, and

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so vice president kamala harris is heading to philadelphia today after four days of intense debate prep in pittsburgh. facing off in practice sessions against a familiar face to viewers of this program. this is philippe reinus who is known in the mock sessions and trying to mimic donald trump's large physical presence, including this, when he went in for a hug of hillary clinton. he also coached his old boss who faced trump three times on the debate stage, as seen here. she's telling "the new york times" that while trump will go in with a quote, scorched earth approach, harris should not be baited. she should bait him. he can be rattled. the "times" also reports that trump advisers expressed concerns that he could appear overly aggressive on the stage, and won't be able to stop himself for showing his deep contempt for harris or for seeming to lecture a female

opponent. joining me now, nbc news chief political correspondent, chuck todd, and executive direction of emily's list, jess o'connell. and former ohio republican governor and msnbc political analyst, john kasich. he was on the debate stage, we should remind you, with donald trump in 2016. i have to start with you governor, if you were coaching kamala harris, and say here's what you might not expect with donald trump or you don't see when you watch it on tv, is there something people should know about what it's like to be on that stage against him? >> yeah, you go on that stage, look, she has a tremendous opportunity to really make a difference in terms of where this race is going. if she can, number one, explain to people really who she is, what her policies are, and this is a little tricky part, to be also separate herself from joe biden, trump's going to be

saying all the time, you know, you were with biden here, with biden there. she needs to say, look, you're not voting joe biden, i'm kamala harris, and i have my own ideas. if she can show a sense of gravity, a sense of real strength, and getting into some kind of a back and forth with donald trump is frankly, i think, a waste of time and a waste of the precious minutes she's going to have to communicate to the american people. for trump, if he goes off and starts attacking her and i think it's a real loser, and i think his position should be he's going to defend his record, saying his economic program was better than joe biden's and ask her about her flip-flops, who is the real kamala harris, for her, there's so much to gain and such an opportunity to have a major impact on this race, and probably, if she does well, this will probably be the last debate.

watch it this time. it's like haley's comet, it's probably got coming back for a long time. >> i think he used a couple of words that are important, gravity, strength. i would add to that, intellect, smarts. i want my president to be a lot smarter than i am. i certainly want them to have a certain level of gravitas and strength, but do they judge women still differently on a debate stage than they judge men? >> well, certainly, i mean, we've seen that for sure. we're going to judge women differently, and that's going to continue to be the casement but i think that what this debate is going to show us, there's a couple of things. donald trump remains donald trump. he wants to be the center of attention. he's a classic bully, he's going to come in insecure, and a bully. he's been incoherent on issues he has been asked about in this last week. i think, you know, he's not going to get away with things he's gotten away with in the

past. he's going against someone who's going to hold him accountable for some of these things. we have learned a lot in the last few years dealing with donald trump. kamala harris as a prosecutor, she's going to make the case, and i think she has an opportunity to show her command of the issues. she has an opportunity to show the contrast, a clear contrast that isn't hypothetical anymore, and i think we're going to see something that looks very different than what we have seen in the past. >> i think, chuck, that the governor said something else that's really important. every minute counts. she's going to have a limited amount of time to try to do a lot of stuff. >> right. >> what should be at the top of that list? >> well, i want to emphasize what the governor was saying there. i expect this debate to be asymmetrical in how it looks to the average viewer, and here's why. i think both of them have different pieces of the electorate they have to talk to. i agree with governor kasich about what the vice president needs to do. she needs to establish her own

identity a little bit, find some distance. she needs to talk to voters who may not agree with some of her ideas. and she needs to figure out a way to reassure those voters that, hey, they have a voice in her administration without looking like she's trying to overly placate them and cause problems on the base. what she has to be careful of is that donald trump is trying to get a different voter, right? he's trying to talk to voters who aren't always engaged. trying to talk to voters that he thinks already agree with sort of his maga populism, and so i think the danger here for the vice president is wanting to engage on the issues or on the specifics that the former president is going to want to engage in because he's trying to talk to different voters than she is. this is such an unusual general election for the debate, and normally you go back to our pre-trump era politics. romney and obama were talking to the same group of voters in

their debates. they were the ones that were up for grabs. there's such a weird grouping of these two coalitions, their theories of how they win this election are different. so i think that's where it's going to take real discipline for the vice president to sort of stick to her plan, regardless of whatever donald trump is doing. she has to put on, you know, blinders, the way they do that with horse racing, where you don't see her participant. she can't get caught up too much in what she's saying? >> yeah, i think, jess, the "times" notes that harris has in the plans ditched the strategy hillary clinton had as denouncing trump as a racist or misogynist, believing it's a waste of time to tell people what a terrible person he is. most people have made a decision if he's a terrible guy or their saver. you see people calling him

misogynistic pig. how much do you think harris should lean into the trump/vance view of women beyond abortion, beyond going into their health care and their decisions in their bedrooms? >> look, women tend to decide elections in this country. i think there's some opportunities for the vice president as she goes into this debate. right now, there's an opportunity with young women, to speak to young women and engage them in a way they haven't yet been engaged. 50% registered to vote, and there's an opportunity with women under 30 to have a conversation with them and to draw a contrast and draw them into their future, and i think that's why you're seeing them trying to be future oriented. i think we have seen a swing with white women in the preconvention era of donald trump, how to lead. now it's pretty much a dead heat. she's closing the gap with white women. there are different people, chuck's right, there are

different people she should be talking to and will be talking to. i don't think she needs to resort to definitions and calling things out. i think what she's going to do is talk about the policies and how it impacts people, and how it impacts not just women, but working families and middle income americans because that's what it is. and that's why you see her talking right now about an opportunity economy that deals with child care, you know, donald trump didn't have a coherent answer on that this week. things like housing, grocery prices, she understands she's got to meet people on the economy and onic issues, and i think we're going to hear about that. those contrasts are pretty far and wide. >> so there is substance, and as you know, governor, there is also perceptions we can all remember the sweating by richard nixon, and go on and on, checking your watch when you're bored, so on and so forth. i happened to be in ohio over the weekend at a large gathering where as i often am, i was

surprised by the perceptions, the questions i was getting. i want to ask you about after your presidential debate and people's perceptions versus what your perception was. and i ask it in this context that over the weekend, we saw p claim that no boxes or artificial lifts would be allowed on stage, that that would be cheating. how much do you think, and in your experience, does the visual representation, how you look, how you stand, how you present yourself, anything that you might betray emotions with on your face play in, and how you felt you did versus other people? >> it's a really good question. first of all, i had to find the cameras. you've got so many cameras in the room, and you've got all the people out there. so first of all, you have to find a camera, and the second thing, which was hard for me, chuck will agree with this, you have to know when to say what

you want to say and shut up. don't step on your own lines. communicate what you want to say and if you do it effectively, you'll get the applause, or in this case, you won't get the applause, but there's one other thing we haven't touched on, that i'm sure would come up before we finish, that is, her message is, hey, you want a generational change, you want to turn the page, i mean, part of it is this is really something interest. the possibility exists, i'm not saying it will, the possibility exists that donald trump turns into joe biden. he's the old guy, right, and she's the young, next generation. i think her pitch about the fact that we're all frustrated in this country, you didn't have a choice, now you do. you have a choice of one generation, and the other, here's what i'm going to do. that would be effective and interesting. she's going to look the part. she doesn't have to act to look the part. she's younger than donald trump. >> she's younger obviously than

donald trump, but i think energy-wise, donald trump can often match pretty much anybody, at least in terms of, chuck, the way he puts his message out there. what do you think could make or break it for him? we have talked a lot about what kamala harris has to do. a lot of people think this is her chance, and it is, right, we know the polls show a lot of people don't know what she stands for, so this is critically important, but what's the biggest pitfall for donald trump? >> well, i think it goes to something that governor kasich said at the very beginning of our segment here, hinting that, you know, he could lose in this debate. i don't know what a win for him looks like that he can orchestrate, other than having his opponent, like what happened the last time. he didn't perform well in the last debate, you know, it's just that nobody noticed that he didn't really have some coherent answers of his own. really didn't notice some of the weird grievances he went down.

my own son goes, went on his tiktok feed, and goes, did donald trump talk about sleeping with a porn star during the first debate. that is what broke through his tiktok feed. okay. a 17-year-old, so you can judge all you want there on that, but the point being, donald trump really wasn't very good at this, and if he goes after her in the ways he went after hillary clinton -- and i'll tell you, you know, hillary clinton, look, she was a very polarizing figure in 2016, and in some ways, the public, why they did it, i don't know, sort of accepted his harsh attacks on her in a way that i don't think he uses those same techniques on kamala harris, i think they're likely to boomerang badly in his direction, so that's what i think. his inability to not go on the attack in a personal way against her is an ability to sort of restrain himself on those things is what i think is his biggest

risk here, which, i'm going to assume there's a second debate, but if there's not, it will be because he was -- he couldn't help himself on the personal. >> yeah, i mean, there are attacks and i think chuck is absolutely right. the personal attacks are where it gets tricky. you want to be tough, i think, on your opponent who has a record, a record you vehemently disagree with, jess. we were showing a picture earlier in north carolina. doug emhoff, the vice president's husband, the second gentleman, just talked about her. i want to play that for you and get your reaction. >> there's a debate tomorrow. and the one thing she did say to the press yesterday was simply, i'm ready. she's ready. she is a first-rate lawyer. a first-rate intellect, and she

does not tolerate any bs. her north star has always been fighting for us and standing up to cowards. [ applause ] kamala harris can smell weakness, and we know that cowards are weak, and she can see one from a mile away. and she knows the best way to take a coward on is head on. right in their face. >> i wasn't really counting, jess, but i think he said coward four times. i don't know if she'll use the word coward. how far does she go? does she go as far as she has sometimes frankly in speeches before a friendly crowd, where she knows she's going to get positive feedback, not before millions of americans, many of whom are getting their first real introduction to her? >> yeah, i don't think kamala harris is going to be goaded into anything, and i don't think she's going to take the bait on

things. donald trump isn't going to turn into a statesman overnight. she knows and is ready to expect personal insults, gaslighting. he's an entertainer, he's going to entertain himself out of the debate and move on. he knows this is going to be more difficult. her task at hand is what we have been talking about. she has an opportunity to introduce herself to more people which is really important. this campaign hasn't been going on very long for her. and i don't think she's going to be -- because of being a prosecutor and facing, you know, these kinds of things, i don't think she's going to fall in too many traps with him. i think she's prepared to talk to the people she needs to talk to and to encourage them to get out and do what she needs to do, and get this done and vote. that's what we're going see from him. >> jess o'connell, chuck todd,

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the rush is on at college campuses in wisconsin to get students just settling into their fall semester to sign up to vote. kamala harris is making a hard push for young voters in that battleground state. just as a new cbs yougov poll shows her leading trump by 2 points there. that's well within the margin of error. nbc's shaquille brewster is reporting from madison, wisconsin, i know you have been talking to students at uw madison, what did they tell you? >> reporter: they are feeling the pressure. not just because many of them are first time voters, but many of them are from out of state, not used to being in this battle ground environment for a presidential election. this county in particular has been the driving force for democratic victories in this state since 2020, and the harris campaign is now pulling out all the stops to extend that trend.

the rush back to college campuses. >> if you are planning on voting, fill out our request to vote. >> reporter: is a race to mobilize new voters in battleground wisconsin, where both sides matter. >> if i walk i'll be stopped by a table, someone there telling people to register to vote. >> reporter: it's austin's sole job, a paid organizer launching volunteers across the state's college and high school campuses. >> what is the goal of the democratic party here? >> the goal is to get everybody registered and everybody voting blue in november. >> reporter: the harris campaign says it's investing heavily in young voters, especially here in madison, working to lock in a critical trend. >> not just tabling, not just high traffic canvassing, but getting out into the community and getting everybody around the campus home to vote. >> home to the state capitol, dane county is the fastest growing since 2020.

where turnout far outpaces the rest of the state. 89% in 2020. 80% in 2022. >> it's a concern for republicans. >> reporter: barry burden is the director of uw madison's research center. >> the growth seems unstoppable, with support for the democrats and republicans have to find more votes to make up that difference. >> reporter: a problem that republicans have mitigated with big margins in rural areas. >> those are very important areas for us. >> reporter: has the county's republican chair pleading for more attention? >> the democrats in wisconsin have one of the best turnout operations of any state party in the country, and they zero in on dane county. the republicans have left a void for so long, it's time for us to come back home, reinvest. we just have to get that extra percentage point or two. >> reporter: how do you do that? >> we go after the low propensity republicans, and swing voters on the economy.

>> reporter: some of the voters can go found on the same campus democrats are blitzing. >> as a college republican, there are a lot of young republican voters that we can get out right now. >> reporter: a battle to shift the dynamics of the key county. >> you might not vote. >> might not vote, yeah. >> reporter: with the youngest citizens on the front lines. it's not just the local parties you see organizing. we have seen the city here trying to register voters. super pacs have been here even today trying to register vote ers and get them mobilized. when every vote counts you have every group trying to flip the students. >> thank you so much for that. donald trump's allies are rushing to down play the impact that endorsements from dick and liz cheney, two famously conservative republicans will have on kamala harris's campaign. across the board, prominent republicans are supporting president trump, but ultimately,

i think she's a nonfactor. i'm not trying to be rude, but you don't get to call yourself a conservative or a republican when you support the most radical nominee that the democrats have ever put up. >> you don't think his endorsement of a democrat with that kind of pedigree is going to make a difference? >> i really don't. >> or trump voters who aren't sure about harris? >> some of this is that donald trump beat his daughter in the last election by 39 points. >> i don't know that any of the undecideds will be swayed. i think it's been well understood that former vice president cheney is not a fan of president trump. >> nbc's vaughn hillyard is here in studio with me. okay, vaughn. talk to me about this whole idea that liz cheney, dick cheney, can make a difference, and what you're hearing about it. >> for eight years we have had the conversation among reticent

conservatives that could not ever see themselves voting for a democrat. would they not vote, write somebody in, would they vote for a democrat? there's been a scale of that, and i think liz cheney is a prime example of that. she voted, let's be clear, in 2020, for donald trump. she of course quickly said she regretted that vote. now take a listen to where she is justifying her vote for kamala harris this time around, and why she's doing that, versus another one of those options. >> i've never voted for a democrat, and it tells you, i think, the stakes in this election. you have many republicans out there saying, well, we're not going to vote for him, but we will write someone else in, and i think that this time around, that's not enough. that it's important to actually cast a vote for vice president harris. >> reporter: and of course there are going to be third party options on the ballot in a great number of states.

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right now, jury selection is underway in the federal trial of the three memphis police officers charged in the killing of 29-year-old tyre nichols. last january, nichols died three days after being beaten by a group of officers who yanked him out of his car for what they say was reckless driving. the police chief at the time says there's no evidence of that claim. the footage shows officers hitting, punching and hitting nichols with a police baton, all of that created a fire storm of

controversy across the country. the three former officers have pleaded not guilty to civil rights and obstruction charges while two other officers pled guilty, and they may testify at trial. joining me now, former brooklyn prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. good to see you, charles. jurors are going to be selected from a pool of about 200 people. what would you be looking for as a prosecutor? >> chris, as a prosecutor, i'm thinking about obviously jurors who i think are, for whatever the responses are to their questionnaire, demonstrated an understanding of what is going on in this country with respect to police. i know it may seem amorphous in terms of a description, but you can glean the information from the type of news sources they subscribe to, the types of things they read, if there's anything in their questionnaire that suggests that they have an understanding of what the recent history of violence by police has been, particularly as it relates to communities of color, those things i'm going to be

looking for. i'm going to be looking for people who show signs of that. obviously i'm going to be looking for people who have ties or connections to law enforcement, not to say that those people cannot be fair and impartial, just speaking practically as a prosecutor, i want to get the jury that's going to be most favorable to the facts of my case, and most understanding of what it is, larger, in terms of context that i'll be presenting to them. >> there's a lot of footage from the incident, body cams, surveillance cameras, i'm wondering how thoughtful, how careful you have to be using that kind of evidence? i mean, the autopsy did conclude that nichols died from blows to the head, but also how difficult all of that make might it for the defense? >> chris, i think you have to approach it with a degree of understanding around the humanity of the jury, and also out of respect for the nichols family and tyre nichols themselves, you cannot water this down. you have to show, unfortunately, these are the moments where we

watched tyre nichols be killed by these defendants. there's no way around that, no way to sugar coat that. they have to see it. you have to approach with an appropriate level of sensitivity, but you cannot water it down. you have to prepare the jury for it and show them as much of it as possible so they cannot ignore. remember, the standard here is beyond a reasonable doubt. with the copious amount of body camera footage you have, you want to leave as little doubt as possible in the minds of these jurors that listen, the job this person came to do as a prosecutor in terms of convicting these individuals and trying to bring some level of comfort to the nichols family has been satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt. we have seen it with our own eyes, and watched the tape, despite how uncomfortable it may have been. >> two other officers took plea deals. if they testify, what do they bring to the case? >> they bring corroboration. they bring the idea of what intent is. they bring a completer picture to what the narrative that the prosecutors want to advance.

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it's a pop culture moment that lives in infamy. seven years have passed since the fire festival, people traveled to the bahamas expecting luxurious accommodations, a-list celebrity, musical acts, instead they got emergency relief tents and cheese sandwiches. these photos went viral. the chaos landed the founder in prison for four years with wire fraud. millions were owed to investors,

but now billy mcfarland is back and planning a new festival, sharing the details exclusively with nbc news. well, savannah sellers, you've got the exclusive. what's he have to say? >> i did get the exclusive, and he did reveal some details for us. i'll let him tell you in just a moment, the date and location, i'll fill you in on that. what he says it's going to be different this time, why he says it's going to be a success, he does have a major festival operator on board with his partner. they are coming in, handlings logistics of taking care of people, staying in hotels, eating at restaurants, using bathrooms that have existed hours just before guests land in the particular location. they will handle the safety and security and comfort of guests, billy is here to make it this adventure, attach the fire name to it, and add some additional little things besides music. i'll tell you about that. listen to him reveal the date for us. >> fire festival 2 is going to be april 25th through april

28th. >> what do you get from $1.1 million? >> you will be on a vote, scuba diving with me. bouncing to other islands and countries and small planes. >> you believe someone will pay $1.1 million for a fire festival. >> we had over 100 people apply. we will have cheese sandwiches, they're going to be super expensive. we're going to make them really good. that will be the highest priced food there. >> there's going to be a range of packages on these tickets. they're going on sale in a couple of weeks. they're going to start at $1,400 for a ticket to the music festival, be there for three days, and as you said, go all the way up to $1.1 million for the experiences with him that he says that people have, in fact, applied for. obviously a big question mark there about what are you actually going to get out of that experience because there are so many vague details. none of the talent is confirmed. no musical acts for sure. he has not announced who the festival operator is.

he hasn't said what island but we know it is an island off the coast of mexico in the caribbean sea. see you there? >> no, no, and i make a mean grilled cheese. that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. john fetterman will join katy tur to discuss the fate of the 2024 race. "katy tur reports" starts right after a quick break. ports" star after a quick break. for colon cancer's a priority. indeed! everyone 45+ at average risk should screen for colon cancer. these folks are getting it done at home with me, cologuard. cologuard is a one-of-a-kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45+ at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. i did it my way.

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