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tabulation begins, the stakes are incredibly high. as harris prepares to debate donald trump. senator elizabeth warren and governor wes moore join me on trump's vengeful rhetoric and the alarming agendas being pursued by republicans on the state level. on issues like migrants, abortion restrictions and voting rights. >> and we begin tonight with the huge and sobering stakes facing america and vice president kamala harris as she prepares to debate donald trump. late this afternoon, harris landed in philadelphia, site of the debate. but she had been in pittsburgh since thursday preparing for the big event. meanwhile, trump has been golfing and posting insane threats on his failing truth social, and now back on twitter, yay. and i say huge stakes for harris because if we're being honest, trump faces almost no stakes.

tomorrow night's debate will matter much more for harris than for him. not only do polls show more than 90% of americans have made up their minds about trump versus just over 70% who have formed firm opinions of vice president harris, because we're now past labor day and many voters are just now paying attention, harris will essentially be reintroducing herself to potentially the largest audience ever to watch a presidential debate. and anyone who has been paying attention to the mainstream media understands that trump and harris are going to be judged on two very different scales tomorrow night. legacy media organizations including the country's largest newspapers which according to media matters covered 82-year-old president joe biden's age and cognitive acuity ten times more than they have 78-year-old donald trump's age and clearly declining mentals,

are going to judge vp harris much more harshly than they judge trump, regardless of the outcome tomorrow night. that's just a sad but true fact. her performance essentially has to be perfect, and even if it is, she's going to be picked apart, every word, every syllable, every comma, what she wears, how she answers the questions while trump, even if he rambles incoherently and lied for 90 straight minutes about tariffs being paid by anyone other than american consumers and about hannibal lecter, his answers are sure to be sane washed by much of the media immediately after the debate and in the days to come to insure that he continues to be taken seriously by american voters and that this race remains a dead heat right up until election day. it is unfair to be sure, but that's the way the media operates when it ams to democrats versus republicans. it's been that way the whole time i have been paying attention to politics. it was that way for jimmy carter and bill clinton and hillary

clinton versus george bush and ronald reagan and trump. in fact, let me take you back to 2016. when hillary clinton thoroughly trounced donald trump in all three debates that election season. >> she doesn't have the looks. she doesn't have the stamina. i said she doesn't have the stamina. >> he tried to switch from looks to stamina, but this is a man who has called women pigs, slobs, and dogs. and someone who has said pregnancy is an inconvenience to employers. well, that's because he would rather have a puppet as president of the united states. >> no puppet. you're the puppet. >> it's pretty clear you won't admit the russians have engaged in cyberattacks against the united states of america that you encouraged, espionage against our people, that you are willing to spout the putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up nato, do whatever he wants to

do. >> the public, anyone with eyes and ears, clearly thought she won. hillary won. but the media made a choice to focus instead on her emails, her husband, her likability. and we all know how that race turned out. which brings me to the second reason we need to be soberly serious about what happens in the next 56 days. the structure of american elections favors republican presidential candidates, period. the electoral college is tilted in republicans' favor because of how many electoral votes are allocated to low population rural states. that means republicans don't actually need to win the popular vote in order to enter the white house. they only need to win key states by incremental margins to tip the electoral college their way. that's how al gore wins the popular vote by 540,000 and does not become president. it's how hillary clinton, who didn't just beat donald trump in the debates, she also beat him

in the popular vote, by 3 million votes, did not become president. with the results being a 6-3 right wing supreme court, and the end of roe v. wade and affirmative action, more than 1,000 migrants children still separated from their parents, the unleashing of hate and americans dead from covid. the popular vote, meanwhile, is tilted the other way. because democrats tend to win large majorities of every group except white americans. who despite demographic changes are still 60% of the electoral and consistently vote 60/40 in republicans' favor. as long as republicans hold that 60%, they frankly don't need majorities of anyone else. the last time republicans won the popular vote, it was george w. bush in his 2004 re-elect and he got just 50.7% of the popular vote. all of that may give you some

insight into donald trump and jd vance's strategy and why they don't really seem to be campaigning very much. when they do bother to hold rallies, they seem to do them in sundowntowns, small towns with a history of making it known to black and non-white folks they better be gone by the time the street lights come on. as ayman mohyeldin pointed out this weekend. >> showing up at these towns is not the problem. but showing up at them when your stump speech includes lines about how some human beings are vermin, about the need to confront hoards of immigrants, about the need to crack down on crime in majority black cities, this is a problem when your slogan is the nostalgic phrase, make america great again. a campaign tour of sundown towns helps us understand the america donald trump is yearning for. >> i mean, if all you need is to root out more and more white

voters, you might do that sort of thing. and you might drone on about migrant crime that isn't actually an epidemic and push to ban boeks about queer and black folks to keep that one vote you need on your side. that also might explain why trump continues to unleash unhinged social media posts threatening to jail his political opponents and why he continues to lie about the 2020 election, even though he has admitted twice just in the last week that he did in fact lose to joe biden. white christians tend to be more open to believing that non-white voters are stealing elections for democrats. donald trump isn't trying to win more voters, guys. he's just trying to convince the voters he already has to not allow a non-white woman to become president, while picking off some minority voters who may be open to a message that is anti-immigrant, antiwoman, and pro-billionaire as well. that appears to be working if you look at the polls which remain essentially tied. as a backup, he's counting on

his big lie and embedded officials in key states who believe the big lie to simply refuse to certify the election in their states due to claims of so-called fraud by non-white voters. throwing the election to the republican-led house of representatives or to john roberts and the right wing supreme court majority, both of which would absolutely name trump as the winner regardless of the popular vote. in other words, all the joy and possibility represented by the harris/walz campaign isn't translating into some landslide victory for the fresh faced candidate despite how hopeful and refreshing it would be to live in a world where the american president is a bad ass woman who laughs and can talk to regular people and kids whose running mate is a decent ex-football coach and teacher who cares that children not be hungry and who would end once and for all america's serable

experiment with cruelty and prevent project 2025 with mass deportation and a national abortion ban, and quote, unleashs the police and the u.s. military on urban communities and protesters. despite how exhausting and deadly the trump era was, and how it devastated our lives, our psyches, our families, our economy, tens of millions of americans, our fellow americans, want to go back to that era. they do not want to move on. they want to go back. it makes no sense to me, and probably not to you either. but that is reality. electing a woman president, let alone a non-white woman president, is going to be a fight, y'all. a huge fight. and that debate tomorrow night is a critical round in that fight. kamala harris has to nail it. she has to beat donald trump like he stole something. but beating him will not be enough. because he's going to be graded

on a curve. and when the debate is over, democrats, independents, and pro-democracy republicans are going to have to find and turn out every single voter they can in order to put trumpism where it belongs, in the dust bin of history. cedric richmond, go chair of the harris/walz campaign will join me in a moment, but first, cornell belcher, hugo lowell, senior political correspondent for the guardian, and amy allison, founder and president of she the people. thank you all for being here. i'm going to start with you, amy, because you know, i think there is -- there has been over the past, you know, i don't know how many weeks, six to eight weeks since vice president harris became the nominee, that a lot of people have been wrapped up in the joy. and wrapped up in just the sort of dream world of having this president. i mean, how cool would it be to have this amazing woman be

president? forgetting there is a large pool of americans who do not want that dream. they really want to go back to trumpism. i think a lot of people really don't see how that could be, but it is real. what do you make of what it's going to take to get from the dream and the, you know, sort of fun of the harris/walz campaign to an actual first woman president? >> you hit the nail on the head. you know, we're amazed that we're at this moment and america has an opportunity, but the fact is it is and has always been a fight. i think that's the reason why the joyful warrior idea for kamala harris is very fitting. yes, we need joy. yes, we need some relief to the dark visions of project 2025, but the reality is we have to work and we have to work like we have never done before to overcome all the ways in which

trump and maga have made it difficult for democracy to function in the swing states, so what i make of it is the debate is a moment for us to realistically assess what's happening and particularly in battleground states, start sending legions of people to call and text and door knock and do everything that we can to turn out the vote. that's what we're in for, for the next eight weeks. and it's the kind of thing where those of us who work in politics and understand that this kind of change is a generational change, it would usher in a new era, but it isn't like power is going to concede without a struggle. it is we're in the moment of that struggle and you couldn't have said it better. there's nothing more stark between a vision of the past and a vision of the future. and that we'll see tomorrow night at the debate.

>> cornell, talk about the stakes here in terms of where the polls sit right now. we have seen this huge onrush of newly registered voters. you're seeing a lot of excitement for the harris/walz ticket among younger voters. the question is do they wind up turn out in enough numbers to get what they want, this fresh new candidate? when you're looking at the polls, what are you seeing? >> they're connected, joy. and so here's the thing. here's where joy does come in. you know, i go back to the presidential campaign of '08, which i think is similar to this, that i worked on. and a lot of the polling was off, especially early on, because quite frankly, we didn't have models to contend for what we saw in the surge of voting among especially young people and people of color because they had something to vote for. and i think that's really critical. so i don't want to dismiss the joy, because the you is important, because you have to give the young people something to vote for. what you're seeing in the polls is look, when you give them

something to vote for, their enthusiasm changes. and look, poll after poll, and certainly in our internal polling we do for black pac of large samples of african americans, we have seen the motivation and the levels of importance, you know, triple in some areas with certain cohorts of african americans. look, african american women right now are as excited to vote as i have seen them in the polling since '08. so the joy is important, and it helps sort of the enthusiasm and the mobilization. so then it comes to turnout. take a state like north carolina. i saw a poll in north carolina last week where it is tied. it is a dead heat. the last time i saw a democrat in a dead heat in north carolina

at the top of the ticket was '08 and we won that because of joy and enthusiasm. >> let's talk about the other side. hugo, you were following what the trump campaign is doing. their campaign is not highly visible, but back when i was in politics and not in media, i worked on a campaign where we didn't see the george w. bush campaign, they weren't visible, but they surely won because they had an outreach into places you weren't going to see. they were at that time getting senior citizens and senior voters to turn out, mail-in ballots which now they're against. what are they doing and how organized are they on the ground, the trump campaign? >> yeah, it's a really interesting point that you raise because we have also heard a lot of the same in places like pennsylvania, the state that both sides really need to win and try to take the electoral college. we were speaking to a lot of local republicans and they were alarmed because they thought the trump campaign's presence was really, really small for a

president. they were comparing it to us, as more something akin to a midterm election, and so we went back and looked at the numbers. for a midterm election, the rnc in 2022 had about 50 paid staffers on the ground. and that is obviously lower than the rnc's projection for 2024, for this presidential cycle, and they were looking at roughly 88 to 90 staffers on the ground. we are told by the trump campaign they have more than 50, but they won't tell us exactly what the numbers are. that's always a tell because if they were proud about the numbers they would tell you. they would boast about it. when we went to the harris campaign, what we heard is there were 375 staffers in pennsylvania alone. that is one massive advantage. and the harris campaign has, as of right now, going into the election with respect to the ground game. now, the difference this time around is that a trump campaign is relying on a bunch of outside super pacs to do their get out the vote initiatives. we looked there as well, and

actually what we found was it's very disjointed. yes, they have data showing agreements with the trump campaign, but they have only recently started hiring staff to go knock on doors, to do canvassing and that's a major problem for the trump campaign because when you're doing it this late in the race, you haven't had repeated voter contact which is what you need to get people to cast a ballot and you get low quality people, people who really don't want the job because it's a two-month thing where you're knocking on the door in the heat. the trump campaign's ground game especially in pennsylvania, you don't see it, not because they're hiding it, but really because it doesn't really exist. >> yeah, fascinating. and the other thing they're doing, that is fascinating information. the other piece of it is, aimee, what they're doing, the trump team seems to be doing a lot of work on social media. trump going on these right wing podcasts, all these young right wing sort of incel kings. the organizers of a mysterious

network paid influencers to promote sexual smears of vice president harris as democrats rally around her in late july. we have heard some formal journalists playing this game, but this is a network. the network began with more run of the mill republican talking points, but it was unusual in one way, a person who participated in the video said none of the participants identified themselves by name and they all joined with their cameras off to preserve their mutual anonymity. misogyny is playing a big role in the strategy on the other side of people smearing the candidate in this way. your thoughts. >> absolutely. yeah. here's what we know about the way in which in the electoral space women are defeated. this kind of misinformation and disinformation that's based on, you know, kind of sexual lies or and the specific kind of combination of attacks on race

and gender that we see, sexualized, is a way that people can spread misinformation, but i think the thing we have to stay focused on in the midst of growing disinformation that we're going to see is that kamala harris campaign needs to focus above and beyond, all of this, all these attacks, on the core voters we have to talk to the base. and it can seem very overwhelming when you see stuff on social media, you see things that are lies. you see people attempting to cut down the validity of kamala harris' leadership and of the campaign. and so what we have to focus on in the last eight weeks is the very voters who are going to make a tremendous difference and who made the difference in 2020 getting harris and biden into office in the first place.

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trusted with the nation's secrets ever again? >> no. >> his national security adviser. >> donald trump will cause a lot of damage. the only thing he cares about is donald trump. >> take it from the people who knew him best. donald trump is a danger to our troops and our democracy. we can't let him lead our country again. >> joining us to discuss what the vp plans to do in tomorrow's debate is cedric richmond, cochair of the harris/walz campaign. he previously served as senior adviser to president biden and a congressman from the great state of louisiana. thank you for being here. that ad we just played is the one the harris/walz campaign is running ahead of the debate. what's the strategy in making that the message just before the big debate happens? >> well, joy, thank you for having me. i think that it's very clear. i think that the campaign, the vice president, and governor walz want the country to know what the people who worked with donald trump, the people who have actually interacted with

him, what they really know about him. the one thing they do know is he's unfit to be the president of the united states. so it's just a good reminder before a debate on who the other person on the stage is and what their character is. >> and talk about the strategy for the vice president. we know she's working away, planning and rehearsing and do all the things you're supposed to do when you're going into a huge debate. the stakes being as high as they are, can you lay out for us what the general strategy will be? >> well, the general strategy is to talk to the american people. you can't talk and debate with donald trump. because donald trump just lies, and the truth is not in him. so i think what's important for her to do is talk to the american people because she has solutions to the problems they face. she understands what's going on in the country. and tell them how the future looks if she is president. so i think you'll hear her talk a lot about a new way forward.

and what she will do to address the problems that people when they get around their kitchen table at the end of the month, they're talking about. the rising cost in goods, the rising cost in housing, you're talking about how to keep health care costs low. and that's what i think you'll hear from her. >> how much do you expect the vice president to differentiate herself from president biden? she's been a very loyal vice president, but how much differentiation should we expect? >> well, the vice president's word about what's affecting the american people. and a lot of her plans differ from the president, but at the same time, it was her work with the president that reduced black child poverty in half. it was her work with the president that reduced all child poverty in half, that has record low unemployment, record high entrepreneurship, and those are the things i think she will talk

about. but again, she still has other yarb yeahs she thinks she can be more aggressive and she can do more for the american people to deal with the problems facing them right now. >> you said she feels she can be aggressive. this is a woman, a black woman, black and asian american woman. we know women are judged differently when they, you know, apply a case the way that a man would and not be judged as angry, as the angry black woman. have you all taken into account the way she'll be received? >> look, i think she's going to do a good job of making sure that the american people understand her number one priority. and that is to deal with the problems they're facing. and we know donald trump will come in with a bunch of personal attacks. he'll name call, he'll distract and divide, he'll talk about irrelevant things. look, he's the best person i have seen in a negative way, he divides this country to distract from the fact that he offers no

solutions. that he only has one person he cares about, and that's donald trump. and i think that tomorrow, you will see through demeanor, through words, and through the entire debate that there's one person that's going to be on the stage offering solutions. there will be one person on the debate stage offering insults and lies. and that's what he's done his entire career. and i just hope that the american people focus on not only what the candidates are saying but what they're not saying also. >> how concerning is the fact that trump was able to -- i think maybe out of his campaign's fear of what he might do with an open mic, the fact that it's going to be a closed mic, that essentially the microphones will help sane wash donald trump as will potentially the media afterwards. the muted mic, how much of a problem do you think it will be? >> look, i just think it's telling that his own campaign wants to hush him up. i mean, it's like paying donald trump hush money. they know he doesn't have the

discipline, the demeanor, or the temperament to be president of the united states. they know he can't control himself from spreading lies or talking about make believe characters or being an embarrassment to himself, so they want the mics muted as much as they can so people don't get the full taste and sense and evidence that this guy is talking loud but saying nothing. >> well, we will all be watching. i expect a very large audience, and we will see how that debate prep pays off for the vice president. cedric richmond, cochair of the harris/walz campaign, thank you very much for your time. much appreciated. and coming up next, donald trump's increasingly vengeful rhetoric, including his plan to prosecute his rivals, and how his round-up of migrants will be a, quote, bloody story. senator elizabeth warren joins me next. alled wiffle tennis. pickle!

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with what might be the only harris/trump debate before november's election, now just over 24 hours away, we thought we might help the moderators with a few suggestions of what trump should be pressed on given his own unhinged threats from just the last few days. there was trump promising to use the office of the presidency to impose long prison sentences on

democrats for supposed cheating in the 2024 election, just like he falsely claims they did in 2020. then his announcement his plan to deport millions of undocumented migrants which would include the use of police and the military would be, a quote, bloody story, and his promise yet again to pardon the violent january 6th insurrectionists on day one of his second presidency. joining me is senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. those are our three suggestions for questions that should be asked of donald trump. do you have any additional questions to add? >> oh, i think you have nailed some really big ones right now. but you know, i just want to reflect if we can for a minute on a couple of those announcements he's made. when he talks about pardoning the people who took part in an insurrection on january 6th, this isn't even subtle. i think he's holding up a giant

sign that says when he loses this election, anyone who will resort to any form of violence to try to help him get the white house and if he can make it to the white house, he will give them all a blanket pardon. this one isn't about the past. it's about egging people on for the future. and i think he's telling us once again exactly what his designs are for democracy and that is given the chance, and donald trump will truly destroy our democracy. >> yeah, and i think add to that, that's that thread of violence and a separate threat of violence implied in the idea of deporting 12 million migrants would be a, quote, bloody story. if i were a latino, i would ask how do you determine who you think is undocumented. it could be you simply raid the homes of anyone's whose last name ends with z, anyone who looks to you like a latino. we have seen this before, when

you do round-ups you catch up people who aren't even intended and then the other piece of it is, if you do get somebody who is undocumented, what are you going to do to them? we see the way even professional football players are treated when confronted by police for speeding. he said a bloody story. are you going to hurt them, shoot them? what are we talking about with a bloody story? that sounds like frightening use of federal power. >> it sounds like what he's trying to do is empower people to stir up more violence. and think about for all of the families that have people of mixed status. maybe dad is a citizen but mom is not, and the three kids are citizens. you're going into their home and removing their mother? and doing what with her? locking her up and sending her out of the country? the older two kids may not be citizens but the younger child is, and mom and dad both are now. i know that jd vance got asked a

couple weeks ago about would the trump administration be willing to break families apart right here in our country, not just at the border, like they did last time. but tear them apart right here in our country. and jd vance did the entire duck and weave and never would answer the question. never would say no, and the reason he won't say no is because i think it's very much of donald trump's plans. it's a plan to tear us apart as a nation. and i think that's the biggest contrast as we go into this debate tomorrow night. it's what kind of a country do we want to have going forward? donald trump, the guy who is about division and hate and tearing people apart and violence and destroying our democracy. or kamala harris, who truly believes that we can work together, we can build an america of more opportunity, not just for the billionaires, not just for a handful that are in

power, but build more opportunity for all of our kids. >> and in addition to all of that, you know, we talk a lot about, you and i, about the issue of abortion and what republicanser what trump and project 2025 would do on that. we have now seen in one state that we're going to talk about in a minute that is already running its own kind of project 2025, the state of florida, police being sent to the homes of people who simply signed a petition to try to undo the six-week abortion ban in florida. the idea that trump could federalize the ideas of ron desantis and the ideas of the texas governor, who has sent home raids and raided the homes of people from lulack, an old civil rights organization that just wanted to register people to vote. the prospect of using federal power to federalize the idea of using police force to force abortion to remain illegal, and to force people to not be able to vote, that seems like it should scare every american. >> absolutely. because it goes back to your fundamental point about democracy.

they're not being subtle about this anymore. this is not something that's just kind of whispered about. they're telling us right out front what their plans are, and it intersects with the point about abortion. donald trump went around, he bragged about how he's the one who put the extremist supreme court justices in place so that roe v. wade was tossed out. and when he looks around and says, wow, he could lose a lot of votes over having done that, he now has moved to this position of oh, we're just going to let the states decide. but notice, no they're not going to let the states decide. they don't want the states voting on this. look what happened in arkansas. no, no, no, we're going to find a way not to vote. what's just happened in missouri? let's find a way not to vote. ohio, when confronted with voting on abortions said, oh, well then the level for winning is no longer 50% plus one, it's now 60% plus one. and in other words, no, the

whole point here is that they have an extremist agenda, and the agenda centers around donald trump and power for donald trump. and empowering an extremist group in this country that wants to tell people how to live their lives. that wants the government making decisions about abortion and contraception and ivf, that's coming after everyone who doesn't fit exactly the mold that donald trump and the extremists think they should fit. and that's where once again i just want to say thank you, kamala harris, for running. thank you for being a voice of sanity. thank you for being somebody who stands up for another vision of america. a vision in which we can say, you know, we don't all look alike. we aren't all cut from the same piece of cloth. we don't all look at things the same way. but we can treat each other with respect. and we can make investments in this country that will create

opportunities for everyone. i feel so worried about what trump wants to do, but so inspired by what kamala harris wants to do. that's what tomorrow night is about, that's what this election is about. >> we will see how this shakes up. needless to say, tomorrow's debate is very important. hopefully everybody will tune in and see these two very different visions of america that are on offer. thank you very much. and coming up next, the republican intimidation tactics on the state level as we just discussed, with florida's ron desantis sending his election police after voters who dared to sign a petition to get reproductive freedom on the ballot. maryland governor wes moore joins me next. i leaked too. i just assumed it was normal. then we learned about bulkamid. an fda approved non-drug solution for our condition. it really works, and it lasts for years. it's been the best thing we've done for our families.

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as i have said before on this show, for some in this country, project 2025 is not just a threat for the future, it's their reality right now. in several red states we're seeing initiatives and tactics that mirror project 2025's authoritarian vision for the country to play out in real time. places like florida where governor rd r' election police are showing up at the homes of voters who signed a petition supporting a ballot referendum to overturn the state's six-week abortion ban. and questioning them as part of an investigation into alleged

signature fraud. or in arizona where former trump aide and architect of the child separation policy, stephen miller and his white rights legal group are suing all 15 county recorders accuses them of failing to insure that only citizens are voting. and in texas where the homes of democratic leaders, latino voting activists and election volunteers were raided in what the state's republican attorney general, ken paxton, who in march agreed to community service on fraud and abuse of office charges is calling an ongoing election integrity investigation. all this is a preview of what's going to come for the rest of us if donald trump is put back in the white house. joining me now is a very different kind of governor, maryland governor wes moore. governor, thank you so much. i want to get your take on let's go inget your take on, let's go in order. ron de santis for the tampa bay times since last week, de santis secretary of state has

ordered election supervisors in at least four counties has ordered election forms. the state did not act for rejected petitions which have been the basis for past fraud cases. they're not just sending requests, they're sending cops to people who actually sign these petitions. your thoughts. >> so we have a situation where he actually wants to criminalize reproductive health. it's one of the things you see why it's not just elections matter but specifically governors matter. because u.s. states like maryland which really are and pride ourselves of being laboratories of democracy. i guess with ron de santis he just sees a place where democracy goes to retire. i am thinking about what happened in my own state. i released $35 million of previously unreleased funds that went to training providers because the old governor who's now running for senate, you know decided that he didn't

want to do it for political reasons. in my first month, i signed reform for health care. the state of maryland has a chance to actually voice their opinion. and we're going to respect their opinion. but what we're watching in florida, is a direct opposite of that and that's the type of backward vision. that in the reason why we have to be so engaged and so thoughtful. you're saying the entire project 2025 mentality is then being spewed among state houses as well. >> and it's a good reminder that larry holden would vote against an election and he's voting to try to steal a seat from democrats and put it in the republican column. so people be careful if you're voting in maryland. it's like being the president of a little country.

you have a lot of power and you can make a lot of impact on people directly but you have governors in places like texas, and arkansas. the impact is devastating. they're terrifying people in texas simply for being in lulac and trying to register people to vote. that's sending a message to every lati ino in the state of texas, your votes are not wanted, we don't want you at the polls. >> it's demonizing democracy and it's militarizing this idea of participation. you know people just want to feel a sense of safety and security in their own homes, in their own neighborhoods, in their own skin. and also in their own democratic right. when you're talking about actually asking law enforcement to come in to help to configure what you think an election result should be. when you're asking people to walk around scared to be able to voice their opinion. this is not democracy. and this is not the country that we all hoped for, this is not the country as a member, as

a veteran and a person who led soldiers in combat this is not the country i fought for. this is the reason we have to make sure we don't just have president kamala harris come january but also up and down the ballot in all of these states knowing this type of behavior will not be tolerate ed and will not be accepted. >> donald trump said to the fraternal order of police yeah people are scared of you. we want people to feel intimidated by police. he actually wants people to feel terrified of police. to go back just for a moment and talk about donald trump is trying to make an appeal to black men to make a sideways turn here. and yet he's being very open that he wants to unleash police. and getting away with harming and even killing people. what do you think of the fact he's saying come vote for me. i think you relate to me because i'm a felon and number two i'm going to unleash the

police on you. >> it's not just disrespectful. it's minimizing and stereo typing. we have, and donald trump you have someone who claims he can appeal to black voters. because as he say, i now know what it's like to be have an unfair criminal justice system against me. that he has advisors that tell him that by wearing gold shoes you will get black voters. you're not going to win african- americans that way. the only way you're going to win african-americans is specifically african-american men is you have to go out there and make your case. on how we can make a path way for wealth. we went to talk to the kamala harris campaign, it's real because you have a campaign

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