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and mustaffa on the lion king. james earl jones was 93. and that's tonight's read out. inside with jane psaki starts now. >> reporter: well in just over 24 hour, kamala harris and donald trump will face off on the debate stage in philadelphia. the great steve kernaki standing by to tell us where this race really stand and what impact this debate may have. what is impacting the candidate about these recent polls. i'm also going to talk to another former prosecutor from california, congressman adam schiff. the moderator of the last debate has a book out and she's going to join me as well. let's get you all caught up on what's happening. late today vice president kamala harris touched down in philadelphia for what is going to be one hell of a high stakes

meeting with former president trump. and now as is always on the eve of the debate. there's a lot of expectations setting out there about how this all might go. including from kamala harris herself. who had this to say about her opponent on an interview that aired this morning. >> he plays this old and tired play book. there's no floor for him as low as how low he will go and we should be prepared for that. we should be prepared for the fact that he's not burdened by telling the truth. and we should be prepared for the fact that he is probably going to speak a lot of untruth. >> reporter: it's almost like her internal debate prep monologue was going there. but she's right we should be prepared for anything. her opponent is a want to be

dictator talking about locking up his opponents. and we saw this against hillary clinton, he's basically stalking her. something she said made her feel uncomfortable. >> i'm not here to call out his lies. everybody knows he's a liar. i want to make sure. >> you graduated last in your class not first in your class. listen, you agreed with bernie sanders. >> there is no manifesto. >> please let him speak. >> you just lost the left. >> vote and let your senators know how you feel. vote now. make sure you in fact, let people know. your senator. i'm not going to answer the question. >> why wouldn't you answer the question. the question is, radical left. >> you shut up, man. >> now, that one might explain why the harris campaign didn't exactly want the microphones

muted. and just like trump we've also seen kamala harris debate before. we have an idea of how she handles her opponents like with this simple line during the vice presidential debate. >> mr. vice president, i'm speaking. i'm speaking. >> no i think that moment tells us she is not going to take any you know what. but here's the thing. mike pence is not donald trump. and hillary clinton is not kamala harris. so we may know the players here. but this game tomorrow night is going to be completely different. we do know a few things that kamala harris has studied her policy positions. she would have gone through that briefing binder with highlighters. she will have her open and closing lines down pact. she would have practiced her new attack lines. she'll be ready, it's who she is. we also know trump prepares a little differently. he likely would not have practiced new attack lines because he's been using the same ones for years.

he's probably not reviewing big binders of policies because he isn't exactly a disciplined policy guy. but he'll still will be ready because this debate is important for everyone. there's something that's important. what is the always very prepared kamala harris do when something unexpected happens? how does he handle that moment. for donald trump, can he keep his cool. can he avoid saying nasty things. i won't be holding my breath for that. and this is kamala's chance to introduce to folk who is say they still need more information on her. that also means she can't attack trump the whole time. 60% of likely voters want a major change. for harris, that also means finding a way to walk the tricky line of embracing the success of the biden-harris administration she was very much a part of while also sending a message she will

build on that in a different way. that's tricky. for trump, not sure how that guy presents himself as the candidate representing actual good change but he sure as hell is going to try. those are just a few of the interesting questions heading into the high stakes debate tomorrow night. what these two candidates meeting for the first time we should be prepared for just about anything. i have a few people to talk with this about who know a lot. kevin madden was a senior advisor. i waopbt want to go to steve kernaki who's at the big board. where does the race stand mow and what are the numbers you've seen in recent polls, how will that shape how the candidates approach tomorrow night. >> this is our average of all the major national polls that

are out there right now. 47-45 harris with an advantage of two over trump. a couple of things to say about this though. first of all, this average lead for harris is actually ticked down a point in the last couple of days. the most recent polling we've seen nationally, a new york times poll you were just talking about there that had trump slightly ahead. a pew poll today that had the race tied. they've actually gone in trump's favor to bring this average down to two points here. also for donald trump at this point in the campaign, coming out of labor day, heading into that final stretch for the general election, look this is the third straight time he's been the republican nominee for president. the last two times he was down much worse than this nationally at this point in the campaign. and for democrats, look this is an improvement from where things were for them when joe biden was the candidate. biden had been trailing trump pretty much through the year. that's obviously been reversed at least where it stands right now. what might be a little concerning for democrats when they look at that is harris had

a pretty big head of steam when she first got into the race. those first few weeks leading into the democratic convention that put her ahead of trump. since then, no further progress. as i said for her a tightening now in the last couple of days in the national numbers and speaking of tight you take a look here, these are our averages from what we're calling the seven core battlegrounds here. and you can see, you do see harris blue here in four of these trump red in two. but i think the bigger thing you see just how close these larger margins are. 1.7, 1.5. an all out tie. across the board, in these battlegrounds. you did see a bit of an exception here in wisconsin where harris is leading by a little bit more than 4 points. that gets to a cautionary point for all of the polling that comes out heading into the election. the possibility that the polls might be off again as we saw

certainly in 2020 and in 2016. and a thing to remember about those polling misses especial l y in 2020 they were not evenly spread out. they were demographically specific. you saw them most dramatically in wisconsin also in michigan. to some extent pennsylvania. you saw them in places with large populations in white voters with four year degrees. that's become more constitutionally since 2023. weeks before the election ended up being a 20,000 vote margin simply put trump support with white voters without a four year degree was deeper in wisconsin and elsewhere. the turn out level was higher. so just added up to much closer races. and wins for trump in those states in 2016 so certainly worth considering as we get

battleground polling in the coming weeks heading into election day. then you mentioned this jen, just in terms of stakes for that debate tomorrow night. a poll that did put trump slightly ahead nationally, 28% a little better than one in four of respondents say they still would need to learn more about kamala harris. the number for trump there, basically a third of that in single digits. trump more of a known commodity. the opportunity is there for harris potentially with that number. here's the real challenge for her. the question of change versus status quo. you know harris is the incumbent vice president in an unpopular administration. and in this poll when they asked voters, does harris represent change? only a quarter of the voters say she represents change. a majority say she's more of the same. meanwhile donald trump out of office four years a majority

say he represents major change. when the harris folks look at those numbers they say they want to know more than. she is trying to position herself, can she tomorrow make herself the candidate of change. there's questioning here. >> you can't get it all done but a lot on her plate. thank you so much, thank you for being with us with the big board. >> thank you. you've prepped candidates. lots has changed since your boss mitt romney kicked the butte of my boss barack obama. the harris team is looking at those polls. they know that's an opportunity nearly 30% of voters. they know they need to be the clang candidacy. what's the goal of the night. what's her goal. >> looking back at the 2008 debates it's almost like watching silent era film. >> back and white. >> so much has changed and the debate dynamic has changed. the goal for harris has to be that, she got a little bit of a

sugar high here in the last 60 days. people were really, we saw this pent up demand for somebody not named trump or biden to come into in race. she has gotten this opportunity to fill in the gaps for what the information flow is with her. the economy over all, inflation, housing, cost of child care. those are issues where she has to take an opportunity and say here is what we're going to do to chart a better course for the country on those big issues. ultimately, these debates, these elections come down to sort of fundamental questions. does this person understand the problems of people like me and do they have a plan for the future. tonight or tomorrow night's debate is that one big possibly last opportunity to really fill in the blanks for a lot of those voters who you know, for the most part, she's still a little bit of an empty vessel. >> yeah, people are looking and they have to know more.

it's hard to do in a 90 minute debate. we'll see. let me ask you, people know you as a supreme court expert of course and one of their favorite legal. and you're a champion debater. people should know and you helped prep gore. harris is a prosecutor. she has a background as a prosecutor. she's very prepared and thorough in her preparation. but you also have to be agile in these momentless. -- moments. what are you watching for and what do you think might help her do and what might be a hindrance tomorrow night? >> well, jen. trump's report against prosecutors is 0-34. i suspect tomorrow is going to make it 0-35. i mean i think the first, you know thing to note is this debate starts with a comparative advantage for trump. it's going to take place in an empty auditorium.

that's obviously a very familiar place for him unlike harry. i think that's going to be a little hard for harris. the reason for that is as a prosecutor, you know you focus on facts. and you know, i remember in high school and college debate the hardest thing to debate is someone who doesn't believe in fact, has no respect for the truth. every time trump speaks it's like the facts go on vacation. so harris has to fact check him like it's a contact sport. this is where for her the goal is it's not about trump but it's with the moderators. i know you're going to have don on in a moment and i have a lot of respect for anyone who volunteers for that role. but often, moderators let trump go by, they don't ask for the hard questions. trump called for a mass arrest over the weekend. does that come up? those kind of things don't typically come up. i want the vice president to turn to the moderator and look

at them and ask, why are you asking these question, why are you letting him get away with this. it's not about trump it's about the moderators and how he comes out at the end. >> it's very tricky because part of this is for people at home who don't know a lot about you to think you're tough but also really likable. which i hate that word but it is true as a candidate running for president. so, if you're harris, to neil's point, do you fact check, do you skip it over. are you selective about it. what do you do in those moments? >> i think, i agree with some of neil's points. i think the most important thing for you to remember is you're talking to the people back home or at home, who have yet to make up their mind. and i don't think they're going to be judging this debate's performance on whether or not you're sort of pairing the moderator responsibility against donald trump. i think if i were to have two points, two attributes that i would have attached to every single answer if i were kamala harris it would be personalized and localized. tell stories through the lens

of people's personal experience of how they're dealing with rising cost. how they're dealing with child care. talk about that. and localize it. talk about it through the lens of this is steve kernaki pointed it out. this is coming down to pennsylvania, wisconsin. >> six of seven states. >> depending. tell a story of what you're going to do through the experiences of those swing voters that are out there and have yet to make up their mind. help make up their mind for them. the most important thing, forget about likability and think about relatability. >>

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because i know better than honest, the rampant cheating that has taken place in the 2020 president election. it was a disgrace to the nation where votes have just started being cast will be under the closest professional scrutiny and when i win those people that cheated will be prosecuted to the greatest extent of the law so that this depravity does

not happen again. we cannot let our country further devolve into a third world nation and it won't. this will go on for illegal voters. yes, i read that because that is the republican nominee for president issuing a direct threat not just against his political opponents but against the very people who administer free and fair elections here in this country. joining me is adam schiff, he's not a candidate for u.s. senate. i know it's important for people to hear and understand what is going on in his mind. there's a lot of strange things in that postincluding donors, i'm not sure who he's targeting. we'll leave that aside. but he goes directly against election officials. people who administer our elections. there's problems recruiting. we need that for our elections

to take place. how can this, there's no consequences for trump. so how can this be, how do we combat this? >> i think he's doing a couple of things. first of all he is, it starts out that quote with a big lie. i'm going to lie again about the last election so here i go. then the second thing he says is, i'm going to lie about the upcoming election. and if i somehow succeed, i'm going to go after everyone who is trying to do the right thing. trying to conduct a free and fair election. if they're getting in my way i'm going to go after them. and, this is not an idle threat, if we think back to, ruby freeman and shay moss. these election workers in georgia who had their lyes absolutely turned upside down. had to endure death threats. had to leave their homes, set aside their own business. he ruined their lives at that time. and you know, i remember the testimony vividly of one of those witnesses talking about

do you know what it's like when the most powerful man in the world comes after you? and so, he's trying to intimidate these local election officials. we know that he and steve bannon and those electors are trying to see the elector boards with the maga supporters and election deniers. but he's saying that because kamala harris is getting too much attention. and he's saying, i'm going to say this, look at me. >> of the thousands that have been involved in this. is that too little. should more be done. what would you like would be

happening from the federal government. >> they have failed to hold donald trump accountable. the justice department took too long for those who organized the january 6 attack by the time they did then the courts played into trump's delays then of course you have the supreme court with that terrible immunity decision. i think the justice department has tried to go after these local election deniers. those that are in realtime trying to interfere with the elections process or compromise elections equipment. i think they've been diligent about that. but the final disappointment was of course the delay in sentencing in new york. we could at least point to one state that got it right and didn't delay. but now even that, has been denied essentially justice has been delayed and denies before the election. it's you know i think it's a serious indictment of our system that it gave donald trump such a, difference

standard than it would give any other ordinary defendant. he should have gotten the same treatment as anyone else but he got preferential treatment from the highest court in the land and in florida with that judge cannon preferential treatment from the lowest court in the land. >> the november 26 date could be right smack in the middle of a period of time if harris wins where trump is challenging the outcome and trying to stir up support for that. do you worry about that time line? >> i worry about that time line for the reason you mentioned and i also worry about it because the supreme court has shown every willingness to interfere in any prosecution of donald trump. i think when the supreme court in that immunity decision said what the president says and does in his official responsibility can't be used as evidence against him. in a trial of conduct. i think that was the the supreme court trying to reach into that new york case and

mess with it. i worry that he may successfully appeal and once again delay or deny justice. we all have to be concerned with that period of time between the election and when the joint session of congress meets. because, if it's a close election and maybe even if it isn't a close election. trump has a reason to contest the results. but because he fears he's going to go to jail. if he's not in a position to make these prosecutions go away he may be going to jail. and that means, i think for him, any limits are off. he will use whatever device, lie, cheat, employ violence or encourage it. so we do have to be concerned with that prospect. the best thing that we can all do because there's no clear legal remedy with this reaction of the supreme court is make sure the election result is not

close. that we turn every eligible voter out. and that kamala harris has a commanding win. >> i am not sure if you heard there is a debate tomorrow night. you and harris were prosecutors, what do you think that background will help with. >> she will be quick on her'. she will know the facts and be able to move around. sometimes knowing the facts too well gives the broader vision, getting people know you. you are at risk of coming across with a laundry list of facts and that's not really what people are looking for. the other challenge is the bar for her is so much higher because the bar for trump is so low.

he's going to go and lie, he's going to go and bluster. he's going to be trumping trump. and because people don't expect any better of him they're not going to expect any better of him. but this is an opportunity for kamala to show her human side. at the same time she has to hold him accountable for his lies. to show a sense of humor if the questions yield to that. and to put him in his place if he is big, abnoxious and that's a lot to accomplish. >> that's a lot. i wouldn't be able to sleep tonight if i were her but that's why she's run -bg for president. congressman schiff, thank you for being here. it was an election up ended by violence and complaints of corruption that pushed democracy to the breaking point. my friend dana bash is here to talk about her new book. we'll be right back. of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection

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that, i found a new book from cnn timely, history repeats. candidates complained of corruption, violence broke out and democracy was pushed to its breaking point. sounds kind of familiar. but no it's not about 2020, or 2024, it's about 1872. joining me now is dana bash and the coauthor of the new book america's deadliest election. the cautionary tale of the most violent election in american history. first of all congratulations. i have no earthly clue how you had time to write a book. >> my coauthor david fisher is how. thank you so much for having me. >> it's great to see you. i mean, this is such, an interesting comparison. most people don't know about the 1872. did you. >> there's a lot of parallels. violent rhetoric, there was violence, it was quite, the

country was bitterly divided. officials were not giving out the outcome, they weren't observing the outcome. i wonder as you hear language like this weekend or the violent rhetoric you hear from him. more often than infrequently. does it remind you of 1872? >> oh yeah. >> how do you compare it? >> the parallels are uncanny in so many ways. one of the ways, jen, is with just the sort of main character if you will who was the governor of louisiana. henry warmath. who was somebody who had character traits who are so familiar. and i am just going to read you a couple of examples. people knew warmath was a crook but remained loyal to him. it was clear they were willing to kill for him, who knows why. he was fighting for them.

for the way of life they had once lived. now back then, that way of life was this was during reconstruction. it was prereconstruction, precivil war when obviously slavery was very much in place. and so, now what he was helping them fight for at that point was slavery wasn't going to come back but they wanted to make sure blacks didn't get power and change their way of life. back then it was democrats who were the segregationists and flat out racists. so, they were trying to do whatever they could to suppress the vote. the new black vote. and in louisiana and other states, but this particular story is how they were successful in doing so. they realized the only way to keep society from changing so drastically was to make sure that blacks didn't vote. and they were intimidated.

they were threatened, they were disenfranchised and they were murdered in some cases a massacre. >> there were so many racist comparisons to present day today as well. where we see with voter suppression around the country. you answered a bit there but how do you look at those comparisons in terms of how rhetoric is used to kind of suppress the vote, to intimidate people. to make immigrants sound like they are bringing violence to our country. low do you compare this time to that time? >> again very similar. very similar. there were discussions about rants, about people coming from the southern border back then just as they are now. it started in 1872 and went up to 1986 which people might be a little bit more familiar with because of the, parallels there between what happened then and 2021. when things were so bad in louisiana and three other

states that they sent two slates of electors to washington. and there was a debate about what the vice president's role was. was it something that is more ceremonial or could the vice president choose the electoral slate. and they decided then it was ceremonial. another familiar thing that happened back then, they're one of the riots in the streets of new orleans erupted in chants, hang him, hang him. they were staging a cue against. >> very eerie. you did the one interview with the presidential and vice presidential candidates. you know a lot about these folks. why can't the moderators do

more to fact check. trump is a different character but you moderated the last debate. why can't they? should things change with trump? >> i think neil is brilliant and i have so much respect for him. but the statement he made to you, i disagree. what he said was it is the moderators job to be a participant basically in the debate. and i totally agree when i'm doing an interview, i completely agree when i am maybe moderating a town hall. when the person who is trying to be an elected official doesn't have their competitor there. but if a moderator gets that involved in a debate, they are a participant in the debate. and look, all of this is a judgment call. it's not easy. >> i bet not. >> it is a judgment call. and what we decided to do was

follow it will model that had been in place since kennedy- nixon really. the moderators facilitate and you allow the candidates to debate one another and in that case, fact check one another. you know i was just talking to kevin madden who worked for mitt romney about this afterward he said it's a slippery slope. some people are very much against it. some people are very much for it. but i just, i try to put myself in the position of, okay, let's say what happens when we do fact check then where does it end. how far does it go. again there are judgment calls i'm not saying that it is not possible, but, it's, it's difficult and you can be sure that the people who are saying fact check now, are going to say, maybe the other said will say, the moderator had their thumb on the scale. we know what happens on a trump

debate. i'm not saying it's going to be equitable but it doesn't make it easy. >> very few people have sat on that seat to know which is the other thing to remember. you also said we should expect anything or everything tomorrow night. and i could not agree more. they've never met in person. they have never debated each other. >> isn't that weird. >> it is. i can't stop thinking about that. america's deadliest election, i don't know how you had time to do it. >> you're so kind, thank you for having me on. >> of course, i love having you on. and j.d. vance and trump jump on the weirdest conspiracy. spoiler for you, immigrants are not eating pets.

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o.k. if you did not spend your money producing social media, good for you. but you may have missed the latest and craziest republican talking point. i mean this is a postfrom the official account of the house judiciary committee. yes that is an ai generated imagine of donald trump wading in a body of water cuddling a duck and kitten. and the caption reads, protect the ducks and kittens in ohio. you may be wondering what is going on with ducks and kittens in ohio and what does trump have to do with it. it all began over the weekend

when they shared a facebook user shared a story about a neighbor who's daughters friend had lost her cat. with this pretty out there accusation, quote, one day she came home from work. as soon as she stepped out of her car, looked toward a neighbor's house where haitians lived. that's quite a detail, and saw her cat hanging from a branch like you do a deer for butchering and they were carving it up to eat. now, that insane story of course spread like wildfire. thanks to posts like this one. from senator ted cruz who shared this meme of kittens say please vote for trump so immigrants don't eat us. and the caption, ohio right now. and of course j.d. vance piled on accusing quote

haitian illegal immigrants of causing chaos all over springfield ohio. now, eventually the conspiracy made its way all the way to the official trump campaign account. now if my tone hasn't made this completely clear, this is all complete lie. don't take it from me. this is an actual statement given to nbc news from the springfield ohio police force quote, there have been no credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the community. there was a bizarre incident of one woman who was charged for allegedly killing an eating a cat. but, there's no evidence she is an immigrant. she definitely wasn't living in springfield. and that one statement doesn't warrant the case that immigrants and kamala harris are out to kill your pets.

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a 922-page blueprint to make donald trump the most powerful president ever: overhauling the department of justice, giving trump the unchecked power to seek vengeance, eliminating the department of education, and defunding k through 12 schools, requiring the government to monitor women's pregnancies, and severe cuts to medicare and social security. donald trump may try to deny it, but those are donald trump's plans. we'll revenge does take time. i will say that sometimes revenge can be justified. he'll take control. we'll pay the price. i'm kamala harris, and i approved this message. our daughter just bought her first house.

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with 57 days to go until november 5th and without a single vote counted, donald trump is already claiming there has been massive fraud in the 2024 election. i mean earlier today he posted this to his truth social account. quote, an interview by tucker carlson of an election expert indicates that 20% of the mail in ballots in pennsylvania are fraudulent. here we go again. of course there's no credible evidence to back those claims. but that is not stopping trump and many in the republican party apparatus from running their election play book once again. the good news is the democrats are much more prepared this time around. joining me now is jay mecina he was the campaign director of

barack obama's second presidential race and part of a pack to brink down trump's lies. what are you doing now and how is this different from what happened in 2020 and what the democrats did in 2020. >> well, jen, first of all on behalf of my two dogs and two cats and their mama back home in montana, thank you for clarifying that nobody is going to eat dogs and cats on the campaign trail. i can't believe we're talking about this 57 days out. but it's probably good for the democrats to. >> here we are, harris is not going to come after your cats and bring immigrants in to eat them. no worries. yes. >> what is happening out there in the 57 days left is that, the republicans have filed over 100 lawsuits contesting everything from mail in ballots

in michigan and nevada. they're trying to kick off voters from the voting roles. they're basically kicking off 2020 and putting it on steroid. we were forced to put together this pack and fight the lawsuits coming in the next 57 days and get ready for these crazy outlandish challenges. in a couple of states including michigan, some local elected officials are already threatening not to certify the elections if trump wins. so we have to be ready for this in a way that, in 2020, the biden campaign did a great job but republicans are taking this and putting it on steroid. so we have to be ready for what's going to occur on election day and after. >> nearly, this is so hard to believe the statistics but nearly 20% of americans still believe in trump's big lie that the 2020 election was stolen from him. how do you deal with that? do you try to combat that or do you just think, we just have to

protect voters, protect election officials, be prepared at this point. >> i think you have to combat it. i think you have to deal with it. because as you know the problem is voters look at all of this and start to thinking, might be hard to vote. maybe i shouldn't go on election day. maybe it'll be a pain in the butte, i don't want to deal with this. you have to assure people that the process is okay and push back on some of this crazy stuff. but it is crazy, to your word, weird, that every day the trump campaign is having rallies saying, do early vote, and then every night donald trump is saying no don't do early vote because 20% are fraudulent. these guys can't decide what their message is and their candidate as always is blowing up their message. but it could be that voters get confused so we just can't assume anything. you know me my only super power is to be super super anal and

break down every detail. >> we love that aspect of you mesina. you managed the 2012 campaign. you know what it's like when your candidate bombs as in that first debate which we all remember. and when they do well, but debates are all about taking advantage of the moment and drawing that contrast. what's the most important thing for kamala harris to do tomorrow night if you were sitting on the campaign managing that campaign right now. >> i would say to her exactly what they're saying to her, which is just pass the commander in chief test. you and i remember in 2008 after the first mccain debate it was over because people looked to barack obama and said he could be president of the united states. the other thing i would say to her is look, donald trump is the best counter puncher i've seen and he's going to try to throw you off your game. the only thing he can do is pull you down. you just have to continue to tell the american people what you're going to do to make

their lives better. that's what she's done these first amazing seven weeks of the campaign. that's what she did in her democratic national convention speech and if we come out of there tomorrow night with that, having been what she was able to do, i will be buying at the neighborhood bar. >> watch out everyone who's at the neighborhood bar. mesina, thank you for being with us. thank you for sharing about this pack. i'm sure people are happy to hear it. we'll be right back.

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okay, a very quick reminder before we go, tomorrow night i'll be at the big table with rachel and the whole gang for special coverage and analysis. that coverage starts right here. that does it for me. does it f. >> it's kind of big. >> a middling table. it's just awkwardly shaped so it feels big. >>