good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. will it go down as a critical influx point or an historical footnote? because after all the history-making hype leading up to last night's big debate, the only thing that matters now is whether americans see the candidates differently today than they did 24 hours ago. harris' campaign now pushing a second debate. trump saying this morning he's not inclined to agree. but political pressure could change his mind. she maybe the most powerful and influential childless cat lady in the modern world.

taylor swift has reshaped american music and global pop culture. will her endorsement of kamala harris change the course of american politics as well? and hurricane francine pound ing the southern coast of louisiana with heavy rain and wind as the window for thousands to get out has nearly slammed shut. the latest on the storm coming up and whether it could get worse before it gets better. lots to get to on a wednesday. but today, there's no debate about the most important measure of the harris/trump faceoff. did it move undecided voters? looking at the early analysis, the answer maybe found in three words. bait and switch. the campaign clearly signalled she would bait donald trump. she did numerous times, and he took it. >> during the course of his rattle lirks he talks about fingsal characters like hasn't billion elector and people start

leeing his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. >> first to the rallies. she said people start leaving. people don't go to her rallies. there's no reason to go. >> if you really want to know the inside track on who the former president is if he didn't make it clear already, just ask people who have worked with him. >> i'm a different kind of a person. i fired most of those people. they did bad things or a bad job. i fired them. >> so did key moments that painted a contrast on issues of abortion, immigration, the economy, the future cause any voters to switch from undecided? absolutely have to wait for polls to know for sure. but early indications are, yes. here are reactions from our focus group of seven voters from arizona, who when joe biden was in the race, considered themselves double haters. >> i think kamala harris came

out showing some decorum, some presidential nature about her. so i think the door is a little open. >> i feel like he doesn't care about me and my issues, but i feel like kamala harris does. >> so the door is now open? it feels like a connection has formed that wasn't there before? >> absolutely. >> so in all, in that panel, there were seven voters. harris won over or made end roads with five of them. trump with one. one more remains undecide. new evidence of how big a night it was for democrats. according to analysis, democratic fundraising platform act blue processed $46 million in donations on tuesday alone. that's the most of any day in harris' entire campaign. and nearly half of that, $20 million, was raised between 10:00 p.m. and midnight coinciding with the endorsement from taylor swift. so where does this race go now?

i want to bring in mark mckinnen, former adviser to george bush and john mccain. julie is a democratic strategic. also joining us is kate snow, who watched this debate sitting with some undecided voters. kate and julia are with me in studio. mark, going into this, we heard a lot of voters say they wanted, they needed to know more about kamala harris and her plans as president and whether she could go toe to toe with donald trump. do you think they got answers to their questions? >> 100%. mission accomplished for kamala harris. this was all about harris really. there was nothing that donald trump was going to do or not do that's going to have an impact on those voters. people know donald trump. they have been around for eight years. there's not much we don't know about. but 30% of voters going to the debate said they didn't feel like they knew harris. assuming they tuned in, they saw

somebody -- we can go point by point. there were a lot of things you can say about harris' performance from a debate prep point of view, it was a master class in accomplishing what she needed to do. if you pull become the lens and say i don't know much about her, what do i see as somebody cool, calm, collected, and somebody that looked really presidential. she looked in command. she was relaxed. that was the most tension-filled moment anybody could face, and she looked like she was at a day at the beach. he looked like he was in a hailstorm. >> "the wall street journal" board, not a liberal publication, said she clearly won the debate. she won the debate because she came in with a strategy to taunt and goat trump into diving down rabbit holes of personal grievance and vanity that left her policies and history large thely untoucheduntouched.

when he went on a subject where he was strong and an issue she's not so strong, that's when she inserted things that managed to divert him by getting under his skin. what do you think about the strategy of getting him off track and is it something that can move forward in the campaign? >> a shout out to karen dunn, who is the leader of her debate prep. this is a typical karen dunn strategy. you have to stick the landing. kamala harris stuck the landing. issue after issue after issue, she did it by diverting attention from things that are not strengths of hers. when she talked about are you better off than four years ago, she immediately pivoted to talking about things that drive trump crazy. whether it's crowd size, whether it's the fact that republicans who he can't stand are endorsing her, and he immediately goes off on tangents because he's undies

plined. and anticipate any kind of question because that's what you do. somebody who decided this wasn't really that important to him and he was going to wing it because he's a master debater, there's a big dimps between debating joe biden, who was not in the best shape of his life, and kamala harris, who is a former prosecutor, a former senator, sitting vp, 20 years youngr than he is, and someone able to take it to him because she's disciplined and showed that. that's what you need in a president. somebody who is disciplined, somebody who is able to rise to the occasion, somebody who is not going to freak out at the slightest provocation and somebody that can laugh at him. she made him small. she diminished him. it's something he can't stand and his voters can't stand. he thes to pretend to be this powerful man. she made him small. she made him irrelevant and that's something that was a masters class in how to debate somebody like donald trump. >> we know what the number one issue is, the economy. we learned inflation is cooling. august was the lowest annual inflation rate in three years.

i want to play what the candidates did say about that topic. it was, in fact, the first topic out of the gate. >> donald trump has no plan for you. and when you look at his economic plan, it's all about tax breaks for the richest people. i'm offering what i describe as an opportunity economy, and the best economists in our country have reviewed our relative plans for the future of america. goldman sachs has said is that donald trump's plan would make the economy worse. mine would strengthen the economy. >> they have destroyed the economy. all you have to do is look at a poll. the polls say 80 and even 90% that the trump economy was great. their economy was terrible. >> she talked about the opportunity economy a number of times. he basically said i did it once. i can do it again. but do you think either candidate either carved out any

new ground on this or convinced some people, again, number one issue for voters consistently. >> i think at the very least, she neutralized it. she talked about a specific plan for the future. trump only talked about grievances about the skpast what he had done in the past. he didn't lay out a specific plan for the future. she did and she talked about the opportunity economy. she talked about specific plans. and in her closing, as you may have noticed, she had a killer closing line when she talked about how the question that she asked the democrat or republican, but are you all right. i think people may not think she's perfect on the economy, but they think she cares about them and trying to do better for them. trump always make it is about himself. harris, i think, did an effective job of making the case that she had plans and ideas that were intended to make it better for people across the country.

>> so julie, then there's abortion. here's what was said. >> this is an issue that's torn our country apart for 52 years. every legal scholar, every democrat, every republican, liberal, conservative, they all wanted this issue to be brought back to the sate states where the people could vote. that's what happened. >> you want to talk about this is what people wanted? pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term, suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because the health care providers are afraid they might go to jail and she's bleeding out in a car in the parking lot? she didn't want that. her husband didn't want that. >> a key question going into this was would donald trump say unequivocally that he would veto any national abortion ban. he would not say that, but tell me your assessment of what you

think the impact of this was, particularly, again, there's a very small key audience here of undecided voters. >> it's not just undecided voters. it's also young voters, who may or may not be going to the polls. >> will it motivate them? >> it should motivate them. when donald trump said this is an issue that was tearing the country apart, seemingly, he somehow solved this and it brought the country together, what has torn the country apart more than watching women who desperately wanted a family, desperately wanted to get pregnant, getting pregnant and not being able as a tragedy to carry that baby to term because they are having a miscarriage. is that something that brings the country together? are those people better off now than they were under roe v. wade, i don't think so. i don't think anybody would say to. so from that perspective, if you are a young woman or a man who cares about women, you understand what is at stake. that could be you. that could be you. this is not just somebody

getting pregnant and deciding, oh, whoop, i don't want to carry the baby to term. this is about people in the kinds of marriages that republicans talk about where they want more children, which republicans constantly talk about, and suddenly they are not being able to do that because of the policies of what hes a pouss. it was the strongest moment of the debate for her. >> that brings me to you. bucks county, pennsylvania, i spent a lot of time over the years in bucks county can. i said we're going to have to wait for the polls to see if there's any movement, but i do think that groups of undecided voters can help to give us a preview. sometimes they surprise us. talk about the folks you were with. >> first of all, it's hard to find undecided voters in bucks county. anywhere probably right now. most people have made up their mind. we found three. there are three different party affiliations. lynn is a realtor, a registered

republican. hannah reid is a mom of three, a registered independent. andrew wallace, owner of the churchvill inn, registered democrat, all totally undecided. one of the key moments for them was the moment that you just played a piece of a moment ago when they were discussing abortion rights. you remember president trump said, quote, democrats have abortions in the 9th month. harris rebutted that, but i watched the two women react to that visibly, viscerally, and i asked them about it. >> is that a deal breaker? you will not vote for him because of that? >> it's disgusting. >> it just piles on to why it would be so difficult to vote for him. that whole thing. >> could you still vote for him? >> i don't know. >> could you? >> so lynn, who just said i

don't know, also added that she feels she said she has to choose between the economy and her conscious. her con sshs telling her to go with harris. the economy is telling her to vote for trump because she did vote for him in 2016. all three hof she feels he will have better focus on the economy. they all deeply care about economic issues. here's another part of our conversation. >> i still haven't heard a lot of policies she didn't tell me how she'd make the economy better. >> opportunity economy, that's a great tag line. you're going to give $25,000 to each buyer. really? how are you going to do that? how are you going to pay for that? >> i was about to say the same thing. >> they are going to give $25,000 to each buyer.

>> so all three of them still undecided. a little barometer of how people are feeling. the democrat saying he's now 51% trump, 49% harris after last night. and then in the middle, you have hannah, who says i don't want to vote for either of them still. she couldn't hear enough policy that could actually get done. she wants bipartisanship. she doesn't see that. >> wow, fascinating stuff. in 90 seconds, could the biggest impact on the presidential race actually be from a superstar endorsement? that's next. endorsement? that's next. nexium 24hr prevents heartburn acid for twice as long as pepcid. get all-day and all-night heartburn acid prevention with just one pill a day. choose acid prevention. choose nexium. life has twists and curls.

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millions the of social media impressions about kamala harris and the buzz that's kept her name trending through today. we're not talking about the debate, but taylor swift's endorsement. swift is an established political influencer getting 35,000 people to register to vote in just 24 hours last year. her post-debate instagram message saying i made my choice. it went out to her 280 million followers. and she signed off with a clear jab at jd vance posting her "time" magazine cover photo with

her cat, and signing it as childless cat lady. governor walz, a fellow cat owner, heard about the endorsement while on msnbc last night. >> it's there. that was eloquent. it was clear. that's the type of courage we need in america to stand up. you have somebody like taylor swift making it clear. this would be the opportunity swifties. get over to kamalaharris.com. get things going. >> i want to bring in state democratic party chair anderson clayton. i should say the youngest state party chair in the country. and julie is back with me. so anderson, that's part of what makes you so perfect for this. we have been talking a lot about the youth vote. and this wasn't just an endorsement. she made an argument. i want to read part of it. i believe we can accomplish so much more if we are led by calm and not chaos.

i was so heartened and impressed by her selection of her running mate who has been standing up for lgbtq rights, ivf and with woman's right to her own body for decades. you're a democrat. you're a democratic party chair. i wonder, realistically, does she help move the need until any way? >> absolutely. i can definitely say there's a lot of young women and young people out there in general who look up to her and admire what she's been able to do with her career and her trajectory and being able to fully put your support behind the first woman president. we're so excited to see. she was responsible for 90,000 people checking their voter registration this last year alone. we're excited to see how the swifty army canment come in and help propel this election forward. >> so donald trump reacted to swift. let me play a little bit of

that. >> i actually like mrs. mahomes much wert. i was not a tailor swift fan. she'll probably play a price for it in the marketplace. >> is the trump campaign underestimating her influence? >> the trump campaign was begging for her endorsement. they had all these false memes that she endorsed him. >> ai made her realize that she had to stand up. >> that was by trump supporters. they clearly wanted her endorsement. even donald trump knows you can't underestimate taylor swift. there's nothing she can do to pay a price in the marketplace i don't think her endorsement of

kamala harris is going to hurt her. it's going to bring a bunch of generations to pay attention to this race, if they weren't paying attention already. to feel more comfortable with kamala harris. i don't think celebrity endorsements matter all that much, but i think this particular one does because of the influence that she has over the specific kinds of voters that democrats need to get to the polls. >> i'm not sure that any pop star has ever had city to city, the economic impact that taylor swift has had. she has an audience of tens of millions of young people, but liking a post is one thing. i wonder as you as a party chair, you have a lot of campus activity all around north carolina. how do you use it then to push

young people to register, but then to get them to go to the polls. >> really it's about making politics fun for young people and a place to be a part of it again. so many felt disaffected over the last year that they have seen donald trump in our political landscape. women taking rights away from young people in places like north carolina and in the south in general. i'm on uncw's campus today. we have been crisscrossing the state and talking with young voters. people are excited to register. they are excited about the endorsement. we have friendship bracelets and ways to really engage people across the state that maybe would not have heard about or gotten involved in politics otherwise. they are because they are seeing

the pop culture trend in that direction. it's mimicking something that president obama did in 2008, when he won the state the first time. making that case for the democrats nationally here. >> thank you. coming up, the harris campaign looks ahead to battleground north carolina. what does she need to do to win it? but first, we want to take a moment to honor the anniversary of september 11th. 23 years ago nearly 3,000 people were killed, more than 6,000 injured in the worst terror attack on american soil that the nation has ever witnessed. today we honor the victims and the thousands of first responders who heroically rushed in to save those in danger. their lives, their sacrifices will never be forgotten. we'll be right back. back. you , pack, drive, scout, weld, stack, feed, pull, load, tow! drop, and haul, all in a single day, then you just have to get in the seat of the new john deere gator™ xuv.

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the next big stop for the harris campaign is the battleground state of north carolina, where the vice president will make a push to flip the state and donald trump narrowly won in 2020. in 2024, new polling shows a very tight race. harris now up 3 points, but that's within the margin of error. let let maine bring in correspondent gabe gutierrez. doug is former communications director for the republican national committee. back with us is the chair of the north carolina state democratic party anderson clayton. gabe, after a major event like a

debate, the campaign spotlight is shining the brightest. you get one shot for your first campaign stop. why north carolina? >> reporter: part of it is what you were talking about in your previous segment. the harris campaign feels that i can can make huge end roads with younger voters in north carolina. this is something they have been noticing for the past several weeks, a certain enthusiasm they are seeing on the ground. they think they have a stronger organization they have built up in north carolina. you mentioned that poll out this week. within the margin of error, but also on a much stronger position than that poll several months ago back in april where joe biden was trailing donald trump by 2 points. it's not just north carolina. the harris campaign says they plan the launch later this week. harris going to north carolina for two rallies on thursday. governor walz heading to michigan and then vice president harris heading to pennsylvania

on friday. governor cooper, he has said that the reason -- part of the reason the harris campaign is focusing on north carolina is because it's a state that donald trump can't afford to lose. that's critical for his pathway to 270. and the harris campaign plans to fight hard for it. >> gabe, thank you so much. biden lost by less than 75,000 votes in 2020. so when you look at it, what's going to be the difference this year? >> i'm interested to see how this conversation progresses about younger voters. anderson knows this very well. what i'm specifically looking at, let's say as we talk about suburban raleigh and the communities around that, let's look at durham county. we hear about young voters. you have duke university there, and obviously, they have a terrible basketball problem, we'll ignore that for a second. i look at north carolina central, which is an hbcu. in 2008 these were absolute turnout machines for obama.

can kamala harris replicate that formula and do so as successfully as obama did? if so, she's going to have wind on her back. it's still a tough state, but the fact sha she's on offense, it's a state we're going to be watching for the rest of the duration of this campaign. she also has to address those voters that were in the segment earlier with kate snow. those people who say i haven't heard enough about kamala harris the and despite her having a good night, not getting enough answers on what she's going to do with the economy. that's what voters of every age are talking about. where are we going to take the economy over the next four years. >> anderson, again, when you and i had a conversation on the phone before this, democrat you can party is in a lot of college campuses. how many new voter delirium tremenss did you tell me you registered? >> there were a lot of new students registered.

we were also just at uncw today. and unc's campus registered 200 students yesterday alone. so it's happening all over north carolina right now. >> economic progress is very important to those students. cost of housing, very important to those students. so what is the economic message? do you think that kamala harris filled in the blanks for a lot of those students because one of the criticisms of her last night was that she spoke in generality. she said i have this plan, but as we heard, how is she going to pay for it? the questions that are raised by it, have they been answered? >> donald trump gave us a lot more questions to be asked when he said he has a conceptization of a plan. at least we heard from the vice president that she plans to tackle the issues that young people care about the most right now, which is housing

affordability. in north carolina when you have a state legislature like the one that we do that's under republican super majority, for being able to enact, you have price gouging going on when it comes to people taking advantage of young people that are renters in our communities right now that haven't been able to have the chance to reach that homeownership status. she's trying to tackle that. young people are hearing her address the issues they care about. to the point made earlier, young people care about the issues that every other person is looking at. whether or not you have the opportunity to make ends meet if you graduate from high school or college, whatever you choose to do with your life. we have a president or a vice president that's going to become our president who cares about tackling those issues rather than donald trump right now who is only interested in further taking us backward in culture wars.

>> they might have missed a moment that "the new york times" called the loudest record scratch. it came after donald trump kramed that harris has a plan to confiscate your guns. listen. >> this business about taking everyone's guns away, tim walz and i are both gun owners. we're not taking anybody's guns away. stop with the lying about this stop stuff. >> i think the eyebrow raising is people didn't know she had a gun. most voters frankly already support common sense gun legislation. but do you think those kinds of things help her, they make her more relatable to a wider swath or just passed them by? >> potentially. i don't think we know yet. it also tells me what's going to be interesting snlt where kamala harris and tim walz campaign, but where in those state thas campaign? if they go to the same five communities that the democrats go to, charlotte, raleigh,

greensboro, wilmington, you're going to miss an opportunity to talk to those voters. go to sampson county in the eastern part of the state. very small town that doesn't get a lot of attention from democrats. then you can have some of those conversations that democrats have largely missed out on. these are trump areas to be sure, but if you want to cut into donald trump's lead, that's how you do it. you go where he is. >> so how is the gun issue play ing on college campuses where you have been this year. >> a lot of students care about gun reform. unc, a school that had two shooter drills this year alone is a campus that we're seeing a huge impact when it comes to wanting to see gun violence prevention. our state legislature this last year in 2023 repealed the pistol permit right in north carolina. that was given out to any gun

owner in the state or county they reside in. when we saw that happen, your seeing lessening what people are looking at on the ground and what people want to see when it comes to reform in the state. >> one of those states that's fascinating to watch, north carolina. thank you both. up next, hurricane francine is right now hitting louisiana with life-threatening storm surge warnings. we're live in bton rouge where we're seeing the downpour, right after this. where we're seeing the downpour, right after this might keep us stuck on the couch. no way. (♪♪) if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and are at high risk for fracture, you can do more than just slow bone loss. you can build new bone in just 12 months with evenity®. evenity® is proven to reduce spine fracture risk by 73%. i heard her say the evenity® she's taking builds new bone. builds new bone! evenity® can increase risk of heart attack,

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and understand what that would mean, because putin's agenda is not just about ukraine. it is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one, according to himself. >> victor orban, one of the most respected men, he's a tough person. smart. prime minister of hungary, they said why is the whole world blowing up? three years ago it wasn't. he said because you need trump back as president. they were afraid of him. china was afraid. >> world leaders are laughing at donald trump. i have talked with military leaders, some of whom worked with you, and they say you're a disgrace. >> joining me now is douglas brinkley, presidential historian and professor of history at rice university. always good to see you, doug. this debate about democracy and american leadership abroad, talk about the resonance and the lessons from 9/11. >> oh, well, look, our whole

country changed on 9/11. we actually created a homeland security apparatus. all of our lives, from going to an airport or a rock 'n' roll concert has been changed, and, you know, we fought early in the 21st century in iraq and afghanistan largely because of 9/11, but the question that i've thought last night came across was that harris was really painted donald trump into a corner as he himself, loving strong mans, loving dictators. his favorite people in the world are ones that abuse human rights. and trump's total abandonment of nato and democracy and the ukraine is really staggering. so ukraine, the difference is night and day between harris and trump. but as you said, chris, it was glad to see the handshake today,

9/11 like d-day or pearl harbor day, it should be a day where we come together, and at least for a nanosecond, that civility mattered today. >> yeah, as you say last night on this issue and many others, the contrast was really vivid. but what does history tell us, doug, about debates moving the needle in a presidential election? >> well, debates can move the needle big time. all you have to do is remember jimmy carter and gerald ford and when ford on foreign policy, you know, poland wasn't under russian or soviet domination, and kept doubling down on that, it devastated gerald ford, and i think last night on foreign policy, you know, trump tanked. they didn't get into a substantiative talk about israel in any way, but i thought kamala harris navigated it well, and her performance is going to be

storybook. whether she wins or loses the election, it's hard to imagine her coming in, debating donald trump who's a veteran and doing better than she did. she seemed to have everything, calm, relaxed body language. she turned mean a couple of times in the sense of that trump is a bully and she called him out on that. i think that was probably wise of her, but it's going to matter for harris. for fundraising, she's now demanding a second debate and has trump in a corner. so it was a big night for the democrats. >> you know, the unspeakable tragedy of 9/11, it brought a sense of we all have each other's backs. i mean that as a country, i was in new york at the time. the number of people who came in and wanted to help is extraordinary, it's worth that reminder. other countries, it seemed like

the vast majority of the world was with us, and i wonder, there's so much disunity now. there's so much division. can that coming together return? without it having to be a terrible tragedy that motivates it. >> that's the key. i was just going to say, when george w. bush rallied the country around the american flag. flags went everywhere and our country pulled together. bush was not liked by democrats because they thought gore should have been president. all pulled together. he had 98% approval ratings. but that unity splintered and now it's just deeply close, nothing about that debate pointed to a healing moment in the country, but it did show me a generational shift. trump now is the one that seems to be having some kind of decline. he doesn't have any of his

luster. his old shock value, shock and awe kind of lines are flat. they all seem tired. so we may have witnessed a generational shift in energy last evening, if harris can persevere and win come november. >> we only have 30 seconds left. with your historical knowledge and perspective, what do you think the chances are that last night's debate could be seen as a turning point in this campaign which has been deadlocked? >> i don't think it was a turning point. it did mighty things for harris, but it's a long ways to november. that month of october is long. and the news cycle is going to change, and people are going to be, you know, picking choosing what they like, but i think because pennsylvania is ground zero in politics right now, that it may be what she needed, and

certainly on the issue of women's rights, freedom, she was unbelievable. it was like she had prepared for that moment for decades, and that may bring more women to the harris campaign as volunteers, donors and eventually and most certainly new voters. if they say it matters, the suburbs of philadelphia and pittsburgh and women's votes, this that regard, harris moved the needle forward for herself. >> doug brinkley, always good to see you, thank you. >> how did voters in crucial battlegrounds like michigan view the debate. the issue one person told our reporter wasn't mentioned nearly enough. stay close, more "chris jansing reports" right after this. nsing reports" right after this. ♪ me and my friends ♪ ♪♪ life is better with the credit gods are on your side. rewards once available to the few are now accessible to the many. credit one bank. get cash back rewards, and live large.

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