it seems he would have had some family coming to visit him but he's going to welcome them -- because it is not safe right now for him in springfield. >> so we should note also that the haitian migrants, they came to springfield legally through a number of different federal programs and they came here because the city advertised that they were new manufacturing jobs and this is an affordable place to live so they were welcome here and some residents said they don't like the change to city but they want poe resources but there is no evidence that haitian immigrants are doing anything to abuse animals. >> thank you for going there and talking to folks. it is important. that is going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. ♪♪

hi there, everyone. it is 4:00 in new york with 55 days to go ahead of election day. the first and potentially only debate between kamala harris and the disgraced twice impeopled four timed indicts ex-president has injected a jolt into the race thanks to a masterful performance by kamala harris. we turn that 90-minute debate watched by a whopping 57.75 million people into what the "new york times" called a quote referendum on donald trump. a speech with words and with her body language and facial expressions and even a simple handshake. that image there of vice president kamala harris from the moment she took the stage, walking straight up to donald trump and introducing herself. and insisting on shaking his hand set the tone for her control of the room for the next 90 minutes and what would prove to be a powerful reminder that donald trump, who had seven prior presidential debates was

immediately outmatched by vice president harris's talent and prosecutorial skills. >> and i'm going to actually do something really unusual and i'm going to invite to you attend one of donald trump's rally because it is a really interesting thing to watch. will you see during the course of his rallies he talked about fictional characters like hannibal lector and windmills cause cancer and you will notice that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. and i will tell you, the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you. donald trump was fired by 81 million people. so let's be clear about that. and clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that. and i'm going to tell you that, i have traveled the world as vice president of the united states. and world leaders are laughing at donald trump. i have talked with military leaders, some of whom worked with you, and they say you're a

disgrace. >> by comparison donald trump seemed to be undone, not only by the facts, but by some of his own words. >> now she wants to do transgender operations or on illegal alien that's are in prison. in springfield, they're eating the dogs and the cats. >> abc news did reach out to the city manager and told us there were no reports of claims of petting being harmed or injured by individuals within the immigrant community. >> well i've seen people on television. people on television say my dog was taken and used for food. so maybe he said that and that is a good thing to say for a city manager. >> i'm not taking this from tv. >> they have abortion in the ninth month. he said the baby will be born and we'll decide what to do with the baby. in other words we'll execute the baby. >> there is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it is born.

>> "new york times" among others offering a blistering postmortem review. from the opening moments kamala harris exploited her opponent's biggest weakness, not his record, not his divisive policies, not his history of inflammatory statements, instead she took aim at a far more primal part of him, his ego. at his rallies, on hi sycophantic social media network and surrounded by flattering at mar-a-lago, trump is unquestioned and unchallenged and never mocked and that changed oefrp the course of the 90 minutes in philadelphia on tuesday when a woman who had never before met him succeeded bit by bit in puncturing her cocoon and triggering his annoyance and anger. today donald trump and kamala harris met under different solemn circumstances at ground

zero here in new york city saking hands again before a memorial service marking the 23rd anniversary of the terrorist attacks on september 11th. remember, these are two people who until last night had never met because donald trump upended the peaceful transfer of power and refused to attend president joe biden and vice president kamala harris's inauguration. and now in less than 24 hours they've come face-to-face twice. and vice president harris has her way, they will meet again in october. for a second debate. a challenge that seemed to send donald trump in a tail spin with trump telling fox news this morning, that he would quote, be less than inclined to debate vice president harris again. which didn't come as much of a surprise as trump's display on stage last night. we could all imagine why he might not be eager for a repeat. it is where we start today with our favorite experts and friends. here with me at the table postal politics nation, the president of the national action network, the reverend al sharpton. also joining us, former rnc

spokesperson, host of the bulwark tim meller is here and sarah longwell will join us in a couple of minutes. rev, your thoughts now that we're at about 20 hours post? >> i think that kamala harris, the vice president did a masterful job. and i think she did it in a way that was so skillful, a lot of people missed it. she was able to address him and undress him in many ways because the handshake undressed him because here is a man who is a narcissist and a bigot and a misogynist and now on stage with a woman and on top of that a black woman who already has shown, i'm not intimidated by you. i'm going to come over on your side and make you shake my hand. it is an unbelievable position for him because it means i'm literally equal to what i've always been discriminated against, blacks and women and it is like hillary and obama put

together and that is what he's dealing with. and she was very skillful in the sense that she not only opposed him, but also kept going in the same vision of the america in the future. she would not just play back and forth with him. she would answer him, she would put him in his place, and then she said, but this is the america i believe in. i believe in you, i prosecuted for you, i've stood for you. this is where we need to go. he never got there. he never talked about a vision for america. because i don't believe he has one. he never got outside of himself. she all night long said he's this, i'm that. but here is where we need to take you. and i think that is what made her so masterful. >> she got him to admit that he doesn't have a plan to concept and take three sides of the question of who won 2020. i mean, there were such unrealistic expectations on her last night and she exceeded

every one of them. what do you make of the fact that in this post truth world we live in, the first reaction on fox news was to condemn his performance. i want to play a little bit of it. i have brett hume or brett bare. >> she was well prepared and practiced on the offensive. former president trump did take ape lot of the bait that she threw out in some of the answers. >> make no mistake about it, trump had a bad night. he rose to the bait repeatedly, something i'm sure his advisers begged him not to do and we heard so many of the old grievances that were not winners politically, talking about how he didn't lose the election and all of that. my sense is that she came out of this in pretty good shape. how long this will last is

anybody's guest. but for tonight at least, this is pretty much her night. >> you're saying she had a good night. >> i'm saying she certainly did. >> this was rough. it was pretty intent at times. she started off shaky. she regained her footing. you watch this thing, if you're a democrat, like she did a great job. she was much more forceful than joe biden. you're a republican and you look at this, that is donald trump. he had some moments where you're like oh, my god, where re with going with this. >> to donald trump miss a few opportunities? absolutely. >> i mean, the bar is so low, but that counts as like a major truth telling moment for fox news. >> it was a major truth-telling moment. and the reality is for you to admit the obvious, for us to have to classify it as an amazing moment. >> that is news. >> it is news that they actually told the truth for a minute. i mean, how do you rationalize a

man standing up there in public on national television saying that haitians are eating cats and dogs and the objective moderator, said we talked to the city manager and said there is no reports of any of that. i saw it on television. this man was president of the united states. and asking to be president again. i mean, this is stuff you get from kids coming home from kindergarten that they read a bad comic book. >> and tim, i play that fox sound because this is a performance by both of them from which neither can run or hide, right. >> yes. >> if you watch kamala harris on fox news, and you thought she was pretty good, but let's see if i could obtain a permission structure from the anchors there to continue to believe -- to not believe my eyes and ears, it wasn't available last night. and if you were on the fence, all eight of you, you could trust that what you saw is what everybody saw.

it feels like an important water shed moment in american politics. >> it was a route. kamala harris said that vladimir putin knows that he could eat you for lunch. talking about trump. kamala harris ate him for lunch last night and ate him for dinner and dessert and she's eating him for breakfast this morning. he just got annihilated. and you were showing the fox clips in the spin room. >> was in philly and i know the surrogates that were there for trump and talking to them. an i asked one question to several them. what do you think was his best moment? what do you think was best answer that he gave last night. and these guys couldn't come up with anything. cory lewandowski, there were so many good answers and this guy david bossie said, you put me on the spot here. i didn't -- they didn't have anything. usually you go, hey, look, i've been in a spin room after my candidate lost a debate. and there is a thing you do,

which is you pick the best thing the candidate did and say we're going to stick with that. we're going to -- he's not going to ask how we really won oin points on the tax cuts or whatever the issue is. they didn't have anything. because on style, on substance, he was a disaster. every little bait that she put out, he just ate up and just filled his belly with it. his body language, if you want to debate on mute as bad as his words were, his body language was worse. he refused to look at her the whole time. just look at the clips. his shoulders are hunched, his grimacing. his voice was a little croaking at one point. and she is staring him down. talk about an alfa -- i remember back in july we have had tim alberta on and the trump team said this was a dominance race where trump was the dominant alpha predator. he was so weak last night.

she was staring him down. every time he spoke, he couldn't look her direction. he was scared to look her direction. he just, he knew she had his number from about the ten-minute mark in the debate last night. so we could talk about some of the substantive development as well. and it was horrible. there are plenty to talk about, conspiracies and lies and unpopular extreme views that he offered. but just the dynamic of it tells you all you need to know. >> sarah longwell has joined us, executive director of republican voters against trump and the publisher of bulwark. i know you had a focus group. i want to share some of what they have to say. i do want to start with some of the substance that she had to say because it was your counsel, my days have all blurred together, i think late last week, that she use this as a nice to share her vision and to be substantive. so here is some of her substance on abortion. >> let's understand how we got

here. donald trump hand selected three members of the united states supreme court with the intention that they would undo the protucks of roe v. wade. and they did exactly as hein -- that he intended and now there are 20 abortion bans which make it criminal for a doctor or nurse to provide health care in one state it provides prison for life, trump abortion bans that make no exception even for rape an incest. which to understand what that means. a survivor of a crime of violation to their body, does not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next. that is immoral. and one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held believes to agree that the government and donald trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. but understand, if donald trump were to be re-elected, he would

sign a national abortion ban. understand in his project 2025, there would be a national -- a monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies and your miscarriages. i think the american people believe that certain freedoms in particular the freedom to make decisions about one's own body should not be made by the government. >> a lot people have talked about her convention speech as something that could have been given by i think it was george w. bush or ronald reagan. her answer on reproductive health care has a libertarian strain to it. she's putting herself in the middle of american thought on this issue. and pushing donald trump where he belongs, way out on the extreme. what do you think of that? >> well certainly on that answer, she did it, but she did it on all of the other answers too. she used that debate -- it is funny, i remember the conversation we were having and everybody is throwing advice out

there and they're like she's got to do this and do this and somebody else was arguing she has go to go at his jugular and be substantive. but she did all of it. she moved to the center, she was substantive, she did get under his skin. i am actually -- i've been surprised in a genuine way and in a positive way, throughout this very short burst of her campaign, how talented she has been. i think -- and some of it is the way that she was treated as vice president in terms of her having a much lower profile and so the way that the right would attack her was through supercuts and other things that make her look like a less than stellar communicator. i think much of that is working to her advantage right now because all of us, including close political observers are genuinely impressed by how she's

handling this. she's laying traps that he walked into. just hook line and sinker with his thin skin. but also she made sure that she had a strong command of the policy issues that she was able to talk extensively about one of the wide range -- i thought her best comment was on national security. they did go on offense on immigration and put him back on his heels despite the fact that that is the topic that he wants to talk about most. she was still able to get the best of him there. sos it what i incredibly sharp performance and i do want to talk about the focus group that's we did this morning. >> do we have that? let's play that. >> a lot of the things that, you know, trump was, you know, criticizing and exploiting joe biden for, now he's the old man that can't keep up. >> i think she was the clear

winner. she was more presidential. he did a poor job of taking her bait and allowing himself to get upset and caught up in -- caught up in different issues that we didn't need to spend a lot of time on. >> i was presently surprised at harris, because like many of us, we haven't heard much from her. but she, she addressed most of the issues pretty well and she gave donald trump like what maybe other candidates couldn't. she was a little bit sarcastic or talking back with him which i appreciated. >> and so your voters, your swing voters articulate what you just did and it was my impression watching her as well, people created this false set of menu options for her and she did all of the above. she was substantive. she punched back. she didn't get baited. she was nonreactive. i learned that term through my meditation app on my phone which i've done about three times. but she didn't react to him. and he couldn't stop reacting to

her. >> and look, the thing that kept coming up in the focus group was the word presidential. one of the voters that you just played said it. but we heard it at least from four voters on -- sort of unprovoked. did she seem presidential. they just brought it up saying that she seems presidential. and one of things that i thought going into the debate was that donald trump would be a bit of a stand-in for how was kamala harris going to handle bully autocrats across the world. in fact, i had a voter in a focus group and it struck me as a trench in observation, because you hear the way that voters often think maybe a woman couldn't do this job or why i woman would have a more difficult time is because other world leaders, where they don't respect women as much, might not respect her. and so that was a bar she needed to clear. and she absolutely did this, resonating with the voters that last night she was the one that looked presidential and she

flipped the dynamic on donald trump where he looks like the old man. he's the one that doesn't look presidential. and i was just such a home run and i'm really interested to see if -- because we're in such a polarized environment, if there is some movement. because for her -- donald trump is locked in. he's at his ceiling. there is not much more to learn about him. and she had room to grow with the swing voters. and i think it was reflected in the focus groups, i am interested to see if it is reflected in the polling as well. >> and i think that is where it is relevant that even on far right-wing media she got rave reviews so people could trust what they saw with their own eyes and heard with their own ears. how this debunked crazy tale about petiting started and how donald trump fell for it and ran full steam ahead into it on

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as far as the abortion ban, no, i'm not in favor of abortion ban, but it doesn't matter. because this issue is being taken over by states. >> would you veto. >> if i could get a yes or no.

your vice president j.d. vance said you would. >> well i didn't dus it. >> and do you have a plan and tell us what it is. >> obamacare was a lousy health care. >> do you have a plan. >> i have concept of a plan. >> do you want ukraine to win this war? >> i want the war to stop. i want to save lives. >> just to clarify the question. do you believe it is in the u.s. best interest for ukraine to win this war, yes or no? >> i think it is the u.s. best interest to get this war finish and get it done. >> so, that international news. donald trump unable to say that ukraine should and will win the war. and donald trump unable to answer many of the direct questions and good on abc for asking them. we're back with the rev and tim and sarah. tim, i want to focus on as sarah alluded to, her strength on national security was rifled by

trump's instability. his refusal to say that ukraine should win the war and when he was groping for a character reference, the ome one he could think of was orban. perhaps a member of the autocrats club. this is disastrous. >> disastrous. and i think this is on the harris side of it first. if you're a voter that doesn't know a lot about her. like the one woman in the focus group, you might not she has that much more policy experience. even though she's been vp and a senator. if you're not engaged in this, she's demonstrated such a facility on the issue. talking about the munich security conference and going over to work with zelenskyy, talking about the types of weapons we've been provided, dropping the name of tanks and missiles and answer the question of whether we want ukraine to win and support our allies or suck up to the dictators and tyrants of the world like orban and putin. so on both the policy matter but also the substance and

demonstrating that she's ready to be commander-in-chief, just a plus on national security. i don't know else to say about him on national security. so i might just pivot to the january 6 question. which was another. >> oh, let me play it. that is good. let me play it though, first. here is -- we're going to pull that up and play it. let me add to the foreign policy thing, that when it came to afghanistan, which was something we knew he planned to attack her on. he didn't talk about afghanistan. he -- no one could confirm his taliban person name abdullah who he talked to. >> his friend. >> yeah. here is january 6. >> i was at the capitol on january 6. i was the vice president elect. i was also an acting senator. i was there. and on that day, the president of the united states incited a violent mob to attack our

nation's capitol, to desecrate our nation's capitol, on that day 140 law enforcement officers were injured. and some died. and if that was a bridge to far for you, well there is a place in our campaign for you. to stand for country, to stand for our democracy, to stand for rule of law. and to end the chaos and to end the approach that is about attacking the foundations of our democracy. because you don't like the outcome. and be clear on that point. donald trump, the candidate, has said in this election there will be a bloodbath if this and the outcome of this election is not to his liking. let's turn the page on this. let's not go back. let's chart a course for the future. and not go backwards to the past. >> is there anything you regret about what you did on that day?

>> you just said a thing that isn't covered. peacefully and patriotically. i said during my speech. peacefully and patriotically and nobody on the other side was killed. ashley babit was shot by an outof control police officer that should never have shot her. it is a disgrace. but can he didn't do, this group of people that have been treat sod badly. >> it is a very simple question as we move forward toward another election, is there anything you regret about what you did on that day, yes or no. >> i had nothing to do with that other than they asked me to make a speech. i showed up for a speech. i said it is going to be big. >> tim, if january 6 is something painful for you still and think anyone that lives and works in washington, harry dunn and michael fanone living with wounds or anybody in the body

understandably suffering ptsd, he retraumatized them and she sought to heal this unbelievable wound to our democracy. >> yeah. and well, if you're hairy dunn or michael fanone, he said you were on the other side. and that is the thing that donald trump said, it is shocking. as horrible as rest of the debate was, if that was his only bad line, that is disqualifying. when he was asked about january 6, he said the patriotic and peacefully thing and he said nobody on the other side got injured. so who is he talking about the other side. the capitol police are on the other side. and the rioters are on his side. and then goes on and said we, and then he kind of catches himself and said, i think it was like a group of people.

then they went up to the capitol. so the we in the sentence is the rioters that attacked the capitol and injured over 100 police and the other side is the people defending the constitution and his vice president. i mean, you know, what more can i say about january 6 at this point. but that was just a very shocking and revealing moment and to his mindset and how he thinks about that day and how he thinks about the people that serve this country and our constitution. >> sarah, i know and in sort of your research and sort of articulation of the largest coalition in american politics, this anti-trump coalition, january 6 is pivotal. how did you feel about that exchange? >> i mean, i really agree with tim. that listening to him put himself on the side of the insurrectionist and the police officers on the other side, was stunning. however, the thing that i heard that kamala was doing throughout

the debate, that i found so encouraging, was she was actively reaching out to the center right. she was actively reaching out to the voters who may have voted for trump and who decided they could not support him after january 6. our group, republican voters against trump, it includes a ton of people would voted for trump, some of them one time and many of them twice. and the thing that caused them to break with trump finally was january 6. and so for her to say there is a place for new our coalition, we want you here, we referenced at some point at another time in the event about all of the people who are former either bush officials or other high-profile republicans who are now supporting her came, she is saying i want you in this coalition and providing a home for them and so from my vantage point, she's inviting people into what she is doing.

and donald trump continues to push people out. right. if you are one of the voters last night and i just talked to these voters all of the time would are not democrats, they are not thinking of themselves as democrats and thought of themselves as republicans. last night ought you got was more evidence that he's unfit, but that she is affirmatively worthy of your support and she was asking for it. and i thought that was tremendous. >> rev. >> i think also, let us not forget when we talk about donald trump and january 6 and him against them and he's on the side of the rioters. he's calling convicted people that did an insurrection hostages. i mean he called them hostages. >> and heroes. >> and having them sing at his rally. so how do you stand up there and try to pretend that oh, no i called for peace, well then why

are you now saluting and extolling and calling hostages, the people that did violence. you can't have it both ways. he thinks people are that dumb. and i think that what kamala harris did that was very brave, is that she was able to poin all of that out and move forward and not fall into the stereo type. i think they wanted her to be the angry black woman and then he could say see -- >> a nasty woman. >> yeah, she's out of control. she kept her dignity. she kept her balance. but she didn't take any kind of nonsense from him. and she kept her vision. and i think that she really threaded the needle last night. >> sarah, how do you take the successful convention, the endorsements from dick and liz cheney, and to your point, these very genuine seemingly very heartfelt direct appeals to the center and the right of american

politics. and make sure that they reach the voters between today and election day. >> well, part of that is making sure that the voters that we're targeting, the right leaning independents and soft gop voters know that she's inviting neem them into the coalition and there is a tribe there for them. people would identify as republicans who are going to support kamala harris. but i think beyond that, part of what she needs to do to kind of ride the momentum, is look, i think we saw what it looks like post convention and then rfk dropped out where there was a lag in the momentum and that could have a real impact. and so coming off this debate, she is got to be all gas no brakes. she's got to focus on i think getting in front of people and in nontraditional rays. doing the big rallies is gray. she has to do a lot of media and with all due respect to traditional media, i mean getting in front of influencers,

giving people more content. there is a lot of appetite for people to know more about her personally as well as her policies. i think one of things that i did here in the groups is they felt like they learned more about her. but they're still interested. they just want to know more. they want to see more of her and this is something that i see in the data. the more people see of trump, they less they like him. and so i just think that she's got to be out there as often as possible. >> you will never offend me. we have to speak frankly about the traditional media and my first job in the white house was to run the office of media affairs and i brought in runner world and i think george bush has getting him profiled by runner's world when he ras running. i think that is right. i think that is also where people don't have their political armor on. you get them where they are reading about something other than politics. it it is an important point. thank you. up next for us, trump campaign

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capturing and killing and eating family pets which donald trump took to the stage and spread. joining our conversation, congressman eric swalwell and the rev and tim are still here. i have covered the trumptory every day through my privilege for nine years. i really, i'm -- i haven't gained this stillset to cover this one so i will just ask you, congressman, what is this? >> people should check on their pets, nicolle. the pets aren't okay. they're a little terrified by the madness they heard last night. actually, children were asking their parents a lot of my friends were saying, well i had to have a conversation with my son last night about why this guy is running for president because he didn't sound like someone who was running for president. but the truth is, and i have known kamala for 20 years, she

looked strong and tough, and she had a vision for america. she knows with she wants to take the country and how she wants to help. donald trump, yes, he's almost 80, but he looked like he was 180. his shoulders were caved in, he never made eye contact with kamala. she made eye contact with donald trump the whole night. and i'm sure in part that was because she wanted to make sure that her ears were matching what her eyes were seeing and hearing. because what he was saying was just absolutely batty. and when you put all of this together, it wasn't just a bad debate performance. and we'll talk about why that matters. his ideas when he was able to even articulate them were much, much worse. >> well, and congressman, i think people who have been covering him for nine years struggle to illustrate how much worse this second term would be. and we have the plans in project

2025 to illustrate it. but one of the things is people around him have changed. they went from the best people who were never very good to the absolute worst people and this conspiracy theory was spread by laura loomer and it came out of his mouth last night scaring anyone with a dog or a cat because believe that's odious and racist things about migrants and asylum-seekers an it is a tether to a core belief of him. an talk about the core police chief in the hands of laura loomer would mean if hes with re-elected. >> it means it is a mean, mean, mean presidency. it is all about donald trump. and the way that he carries out his policies, like government mandated pregnancies it is cruel and it is mean and as it was this morning, its going to be memed. he's a mean president. he's not serious and he stood on the stage next to someone who is strong and tough and who is

serious. and i think most important takeaway for most americans who may have not seen kamala harris for that long of a period of time, is this person kamala harris could be president and then reminded why donald trump cannot be president. >> tim miller, your thoughts on his dangerous impulses with the most dangerous conspiracy theories the planet has ever known. >> there is a lot to laugh about. i'm sure mr. swalwell and i could joke on the dog eating thing and i want to focus on the seriousness, because i live in the muck and meyer and i know the origin stories. what this is. who laura loomer is with him on the plane, this is a woman is in unapologetic allama phone and said she wants there to be a white nation state something to

that effect. she has advanced a ton of racist conspiracy theories. there is a whole network of people out there like her. she just happened to pe the one on his plane. and what underlined this dog thing yesterday was a racist conspiracy theory targeting haitian immigrants moving to a town in springfield, because there was jobs there and they're increasing manufacturing thanks to this administration, there has been an influx of haitian migrants into the community and there is this racist conspiracy theory that they're eating animals. because there was a story where someone said to somebody that -- in another town 100 miles away, that somebody had taken a cat. and it wasn't even a haitian migrant. and the whole thing is just flat racist. and it is stemmed out of like it really tragic story in springfield where a young boy aiden gray was killed in a traffic accident by an actual

haitian migrant. but one time. and his dad, i saw this from his dad today that really moved me. his dad spoke out and said, stop doing this. stop politicizing my child. like, we do not want you to use this one horrible accident as a way to smear this whole group of people in national television. based on nothing. based on this horrible lie. and that, like, is horrible in itself, but the fact that the people that advance these lies, they're not in the basement, they're not on reddit or 4 chan, they're on donald trump plane and they're going to be the ones making policy for the country. >> and just to share that news story, nbc news reports that the ohio family asked trump and vance to stop using their son as a poerl tool. i need to bring the rev in on

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bookend to rapists and murderers. this is so central to who he is. >> not only is it central to who he is, the damage that it does. you have to remember you have kids that are growing up in springfield, young white kids that now look at the former president of the united states saying, when you see a haitian in the street they're cannabales. they'll eat your dogs. you're not talking about a late-night comic. this is the president of the united states that has totally made this kind of charge against a whole nationality of people based on their color and based on their nationality with no inkeling of evidence because it's not true, and he won't take it back. i saw it on television. what are you talking about? >> i think that's the danger and

the media and civil rights that will go toe to toe, but we don't think about the 7-year-old kid saying, mommy, president trump said that that guy over there looks haitian, he's going to eat my dog. how do you get that out of him? >> or the 7-year-old that talks to their mom and it's probably the 13, 14 and 15-year-old that just acts on it with that hate being modeled by an ex-president and it defies our ability to grasp and it marries his racism and sexism. let me play it for you. >> i don't care. yont care what he is. you make a big deal about something. whatever she wants to be is okay with me. >> but those were your words. >> i don't know. i don't know. all i can say is i read where she was not black, that she put out, and i'll say that, and then i read that she was black and that's okay. either one was okay with me. that's up to her.

that's up to her. >> so stop everything. i read that she put out, i'll put that out there. donald trump calling the vice president of the united states a slut on national television and we just rolling like that was normal. it's hideous. it's odeous, that again in a normal time would be a disqualifying moment. >> it should be a disqualifying moment, and i don't understand where people who claim to be the moral majority are not screaming about the immorality of that in terms of its misogyny as well as outright racism, and when did she tell anybody she wasn't black? i mean, i've known her most of her career. she was applauded as the first black woman district attorney in san francisco and the first black woman to be the attorney general of california, first black woman u.s. senator from

california, first black vice president of the united states, so where did he not hear black. it is his channeling racism to make his point and trying to debunk her as something disingenuous, like she was trying to trick people into saying i'm not black like there was something wrong with being black and it's the same thing and it's the same old playbook. he's not really american and we don't know what he is and there's always a race mix in his mind, whether it's haitian, whether it's obama or now kamala harris. he is obsessed with this racism that he can't get by. >> tim, the -- that she put out, i may never get past that and i'll chock that up to a personal problem being female and covering trump is in and of itself tricky, but as a political matter. he has a problem with women,

politically, it's a political matter. i think he has problems with women in other matter, but again, not my specialty. his problem with women politically should become a problem with men politically because if you have a daughter, if you have a wife, if you have a mother you should care that this guy will pass a national abortion ban that this guy will sexual assault and instead of trying to beat kamala harris with political ideas he's attacking her on the biggest political stage he'll ever stand on with an odious smear. >> he's so gross. it just shows why she had such a strong night and the first abortion topic where she said women doesn't want government

making decisions for them. these women don't want government, certainly not donald trump making decisions for them and there was just so much subtext in those words, like, certainly not the grab them by the you know what guy, certainly not the guy found guilty of sexual misconduct and certainly not that gross man making decisions for you and then when he does the misogynistic joke or comment, whatever, smear at the end there that you just referenced and she said she doesn't get offended. people are ready to move on from this. people are ready to move on. i thought she handled that extremely well last night. >> unbelievable, unbelievable. that our politics continue to shock me is just a sign of unbelievable is all it is. i'm grateful to all of you for talking us through it. congressman swalwell, reverend sharpton, up next for us, trump

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friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch. hi, again, everyone. it's 5:00 in new york one of the very skillful answers by vice president kamala harris at last night's presidential debate against ex-president donald trump. so let's break it down. harris showcased her defense of america's principles and our global allies and alliances. she underscored the importance of protecting our democracy and democracies abroad. she made an appeal to an important constituency, one that understands the stakes of these alliances and oh, yeah, she gave a big reality check on her opponent's so-called friendship with a murderous dictator. that one answer that even more so the entire debate, was a preview for the american people so that they could see and really understand how a president harris would address issues and bullies on the world stage. how she would defend america from her adversaries, and how she would be as the next

commander in chief. harris' leadership on display again in downtown manhattan, marking the solemn anniversary of the september 11th terror attacks honoring the lives lost and the pain and suffering felt by loved ones and family members ever since that day. this afternoon vice president harris and president joe biden visited the flight 93 memorial in shanksville, pennsylvania, and a short time ago we saw them lay a wreath at the pentagon, a visit to each place where planes went down 23 years ago. days like today are tragic reminders that the fragility of the american experiment of american democracy and reminders of how it needs a strong defender in the white house at all times. another powerful moment last night vice president harris addressed how donald trump does not fit that role. >> it is very well known that donald trump is weak and wrong on national security and foreign policy. it is well known that he admires

dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one, according to himself. it is well known that he said of putin that he can do whatever the hell he wants and go into ukraine. it is well known that he said when russia went into ukraine it was brilliant. it is well known he exchanged love letters with kim jong-un, and it is absolutely well known that these dictators and autocrats are rooting for you to be president again because they are so clear they can manipulate you with flattery and favors. >> last night was important for all of america to see, but the rest of the world, as well. political reports on how those outside the u.s. felt about the two performances in this quoting, by the time the debate was over, allies from more

neutral countries said they felt more countries that harris could handle the tricky personalities she would encounter on the job, she even managed to laugh at him, a senior european marvelled, her ability to manage trump offered assurance that she could navigate tough personal relationships given that international relations often come down to the nature of personal relations, this matters. it's also where we start the hour. some of our experts and friends, co-founder and executive director of protection democracy is here, plus former chairman of the rnc and now the co-host of msnbc's "the weekend," michael steele is here. ian, you first. your thoughts on last night. >> well, there's so much about american political campaigns that are poorly designed to help americans and american voters to figure out which candidate will be best for the job and there

are aspects of debates that are like that. we all know, in the past we focused on what sort of facial expression someone has during a debate when that doesn't tell us much whether there could be a good commander in chief, but there was something unbelievably telling about who was fit to be commander in chief, and it was this, knowing full well what kamala harris planned to do in the debate because her advisers telegraphed to trump and his team that she would try to bait him, get under his skin and knock him off, he still couldn't resist taking the bait. it demonstrated how easy it is for him to be manipulated, and on the other hand, it also demonstrated how effective vice president harris can be on the world stage when she's preparing to meet with world leaders knowing how on behalf of the american people she can get them to do what we need them to do on behalf of our nation.

she showed she knows how to play on the world stage, and she showed that trump is easier to play than a kazoo. >> a kazoo. best use of the word kazoo i've ever heard on tv. michael steele, i want to say this with all of the humility that i can sort of put behind it. i had no idea what will happen on election day, and there is no way to analyze what happened last night any way other than a roaring success for her and a debacle even by the incredibly unfair and asymmetrical curve score. what do you do with that performance now that it's sort of in the books in the next 55 days to see that in all of the ways it advantaged her. it aids her politically. >> well, that's a great question. i think what you do is a little bit of what ian put his finger on, particularly the kazoo part,

to show how much more of a leader she was than him, than trump. whether it was on foreign policy, whether it was on domestic policy and even beyond the scope of abortion which can kind of drives a lot of focus for people in a very important way and it's not to diminish it, but i think for a broader conversation for the american people who quite honestly are still learning who she is, surprise, surprise, and we can talk about why that is given how the press did not cover her for three years. the reality of it is they now can take that hour and a half performance and break it down into bite-sized chunks and put it in 30-second ads on radio, on tv and social media platforms and you don't have to say a lot, but just show how she handled some of those moments. she didn't back dun. she was looking forward, not backwards. she took the incoming when

donald trump was waxing poetic on her race and spinning off talking about eating dogs and cats, and just show what this means for the country because at the end of the day she still has to, and i thought last night was an incredibly important first step and an important start to show people that she can be president. she has to help them reimagine what the presidency looks like because even though, yes, you had a black president before, he was still a man. it was not a woman and that part of this equation is so important because no one wants to talk about it in polite company, but you and i know, nicole, and you've addressed this on your show at various points over the years, there's still this thing, this thing in the craw about women in leadership and power and it ain't no -- it's exacerbated when it comes to the

presidency. she has to help break that down for people to show, no, she's not going to be a dangerous, you know, crazy loon who, you know, who runs through emotions and can't fix an opinion, that was not the person you saw on the stage last night, and i think if they can take those clips out and show her in a very positive way being presidential, you can help break down that last piece of the glass ceiling. >> i have a million thoughts. let me try to pull out two. one, i actually think, michael steele they should buy cable access, and donald trump will say that's a selected moment. i mean, the 90 minutes make that point as well as any single exchange. >> sure. >> but, too, yes, she has to do those thing, but so do we,

right? what country do we want to live in? it's not all on her, it's on us. even the way we described hads first public stepping in the you know what on the misogyny front, the "access hollywood" tape, i wonder if for nine years we should have said what he said. the -- the sort of conundrum, and i promise i'm not going to say it here and don't get out the beep button on me and the conundrum on trump is so ox fencive that covering him accurately is impossible. you can't say what he said on the "access hollywood" tape and we edited him for nine years and she has to show people. why doesn't he have to show people. he has to show people why a misogynist is a great leader for women in america. he has to show people that a felon can govern just as well as a non-felon, and you and i are on the pro-democracy side, michael steele, but we 55 days out are still grappling that she has to show people that a woman

can break the glass ceiling. >> yeah. that sucks. that's the hard, ugly part of this, and there are a lot of reasons why we are here now. the way we have covered donald trump and how our politics has dealt with him, the fact that republican leader ships capitulated and bent over and exposed every part of himself to his weils and whims and the way the press covered him because he provided the advertising dollars that made covering him that much more fun and he was entertaining and you hear it all of the time, oh, that's just trump. that's just trump being trump. no, that's an idiot. that's the idiot that the country elected because they were afraid to put a woman in charge. whatever hang-ups they had about hillary clinton the guy standing in front of him -- in front of her was a damn sight worse and they preferred worse over her,

and that sets the tone of the challenge that we have even to this day that we're not honest about, and so, yeah, it's hard to say. yeah, she's got to prove, but when you look at some of the folks in focus groups last night, they still go, well life was better under trump. i did better under trump. how many of your relatives died because of covid and the way he handled covid? how -- what did you do when your business shut down? who's responsible for that when you had it close your business? that wasn't joe biden. in fact, joe biden created the lane that businesses could recover and yeah, the consequence of the inflation we have -- a, that was global, but b, the guy before him spent $8 trillion that came home to roost in your bank account and sucked out the extra money you had. so those realities still exist for people that they don't want to look at that part of it. they want to fantasize about the last four years or the four

years before joe biden as if somehow they were living in a magical kingdom, and that's hard to overcome, and part of that reason it's hard to overcome because standing in front of them is a woman who could be the commander in chief of our armed forces, who could be the commander of the free world, the leader of the free world, and that's a -- that's a leap that they weren't willing to take with hillary, we saw, and now we're asking them to do it again and that's why this 55 days is going to be a slog, and it's going to be hard and why she has to do her part, which, again, was a great start last night to get people to come around to see, yeah, she can do this. >> you know, the other place, ian, where all of his conditioning over nine years serves him is that to his base, his praise of viktor orban, he's

conditioned to want and like a strong man. let me show you what some of that -- what some of that sounded like from vice presidential candidate governor walz on our show last night. >> when i travel, and we all see this, when i was at the d-day memorial it was clear that other countries deeply are concerned with donald trump coming back, deeply concerneded that his inability to do other than a transactional shakedown. he asked for one leader, orban, my god, that's all you need to know. she understands what it truly means to stand up for western democracies. >> you and i have talked about that orban is hungry for trumpism for many, many months and it surfaced last night in the debate and your thoughts on

how the conversation is sustained over the next 55 days? >> i think trump validated what we all know to be the case which is that we're living in a century in which the question is will the american way of life prevail as the dominant way of life in the 21st century and particularly for us at home in the united states or will something less free, something more authoritarian, something that looks more like victor orban's hungary or vladimir putin's russia be our future? kamala harris stays on the side of american way of life prevailing and donald trump put himself on the side of, as he said, strong men like viktor orban or president putin. trump fawns over a muscular picture of putin on a horse,

what kamala harris did to effective last night. >> i know those pictures. she exposed that while trump aspires to being a strong man and looks longingly at those pictures while wanting to be a strong man, he's actually a weakling. michael said that our whole country has struggled to figure out how to deal with donald trump over the last nine years, and i think kamala harris figured it out last night because donald trump has been parading around this country like a school yard bully for the last nine years, and as we all know with school yard bully, eventually all it takes is someone walking up in the school yard and exposing them for who they are and last night kamala harris calmly, brilliantly, confidently walked out from behind the swings, walked right up to the bully and proverbially yanked his toupee off and left

him standing there exposed, naked, weak and old, and she figured out how to do it and do it in a way that looks befitting of a commander in chief who will do the same to the actual strong men on the world stage on behalf of our country. >> it is such a perfect, perfecten capsulation of what we all watched last night and why it was so satisfying. i want to ask you specifically about what she and the moderators elicited for trump which is a refusal to say that ukraine should win or that he wants ukraine to win the war against russia. >> look, the history of this country has been american presidents from woodrow wilson to fdr to john f. kennedy to ronald reagan proclaiming that america stands for freedom in the world and against tyranny and dictatorship, and in the simplest question that could have been asked last night, are you on the side of freedom and democracy in ukraine or are you

on the side of tyranny and dictatorship in russia? donald trump couldn't say which side he was on and that says it all. >> everything we need to know. we wanted to talk to both of you since the moments that this ended. ian bessin and michael steele, thank you very much for starting us off this hour. when we come back, vice president harris did not just lay out her vision for the country's future as we have been discussing. she masterfully set trap after trap after trap for donald trump and he took the bait time after time after time. mary trump on how her uncle just could not help himself last night. plus,ed disgraced ex-president, lying about the 2020 election and lying about the court cases he lost and repeating the same false claims that got him criminally indicted by jack smith, fani willis and others. we'll be joined by top democratic attorney mike elias

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my father was a brooklyn builder, brooklyn, queens and i learned a lot, but i was given a tiny fraction and i built it into many billions of dollars, many, many billions and when people see it they are even surprised. we don't have to talk about that. >> hook, line, sinker. can't help himself. vice president harris and some of the evolving policy positions completely transformed in an instant into a discussion about exactly how many millions of dollars donald trump's dad gifted him that he then squandered. that's the truth. it's route in line with what nbc news reported that among the advice hillary clinton provided to vice president harris turning the tables was one of the specifics that is avoiding the bait where possible and instead provoking trump directly, and as you -- as we all saw last night, it worked even during the debate. a republican operative was telling our colleague dasha burnses that it was trump taking

her bait and missed opportunity, he said. watch how he flailed when vice president harris brought up trump's past comments about the central park five. >> let's remember, this is the same individual who took out a full-page ad in "the new york times" calling for the execution of five young black and latino boys who were innocent, the central park five, took out a full-page ad calling for their execution. this is the same individual who spread birther lies about the first black president of the united states, and i think the american people want better than that, want better than this. >> this is the most divisive presidency in the history of our country. there's never been anything like it. they're destroying our country and they come up with things like what she just said going back many, many years when a lot

of people, including mayor bloomberg agreed with me on the central park five. they admitted, they said and pled guilty and i said well, if they pled guilty they badly hurt a person, killed a person and then they pled we're not guilty, but this is a person who has to stretch back years, 40, 50 years ago because there's nothing now. >> joining us now, mary trump, niece of ex-president donald trump, author of the exquisite new book "who could ever love you," a family memoir. mary, the book -- there's pain on every page, and i just have to ask you how you do that? i -- first of all, it's wonderful to be with you again especially on a good occasion of a good debate that was validating in so many ways for

so many of us that have been struggling with donald trump's presence in american politics for so many years, but as to the book and thank you for your kind words. i felt that it was necessary for me, for myself and other people who have been struggling with the reality that we've been living with since at least 2016 to try to make sense of the damage that's been done by donald trump, but also originally by the family that created him and also created me, and i felt that was a good time to do it. one, because the election is coming up and two, because i hit a wall, and i -- i wasn't able to understand why i wasn't able to move on with my life, and i recognize that we've all been traumatized by the last four years, depending on how you count it and we need to find our way through if we're going to

get to the other side of this. >> i mean, trauma is so tricky, and collective traumas are things that we don't have -- no one is taught, maybe this next generation will because of covid will be taught better skills than we had, but we don't have a lot of books or ways to get through it and if some ways what you've given us with your two books, but especially this one is a way to platform the pain of trump, the pain that he causes. i mean, i was thinking about the muslim ban, and i was thinking -- because i always struggle with how do you cover these people that worked for him and have come out and are telling the truth and are now rolling with the pro-democracy coalition when they were comfortable as he was causing so much pain, when they were there for family separation, where if you listened, we experienced that with all of our senses, right? children ripped from the arms their mother in favor of the trump separation policy and all

these people stayed and nobody quit. the muslim ban which was a legal debacle, but also a cruel and inhumane policy, your book & helps us understand where the cruelty comes from, it feels like after listening you, even he fuels the appetite for scaling the cruelty, when you think about what you know what is your warning for a second trump presidency? >> well, it can happen. unfortunately, it can happen. what i mean is we cannot allow it to happen. unfortunately, as you know well, debates don't win elections, and this election will be close for various systemic reasons. i think one of the things vice president has done so incredibly well is make this a conversation about freedom, not about democracy. democracy for too many people is an emorphous term.

if we talk about freedoms, that's important. we need to get the message across to people who aren't part of the base. there are plenty of people and we need to wrap our heads around that, too, who actually love what donald's selling. they love the cruelty. they love his contempt for america. they love the authoritarian bent, but for the rest of them who, quite honestly, are lied to by the people they're listening to from donald on down, we need to convince them that this won't end well for them either. this is a slippery slope. donald is out for himself, and i actually said this in 2020, unbelievably enough, we are still having this conversation and it is even more true now especially in light of his resounding defeat last night, he knows he might be going down, and if he feels that that's the

case he will take all of us down with him and we need to be vigilant. >> what does that mean? >> well, i -- i think that it means that he and those around him and his enablers in the republican party will do their best to cheat in this election. we've already seen it. he's already pre-rigging it by calling it to question, results we don't even have yet just as he did in 2020, and we have to look out for his willingness to activate people in his base. donald trump has been trafficking to a caste of terrorism for years now, and we heard that at the debate last night by referencing these obscene lies about, for example, haitian immigrants who are upstanding members of our

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notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom, and i will tell you the one thing you will not hear him talk about is you. >> first, let me respond to rallies. >> sure. >> she said people start leave. people don't go to the rallies, and there's no reason to go. the people who do go she's paying them and bussing them and showing them in a different light. she can't talk about that. people don't leave my rallies. we have the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. >> um, mary trump, i imagine of all of the points she scored last night there was none that hurt him on the deep, deep insides, underbelly, whatever you want to call it like that one, i think he's still mad about that, and i wonder, again, not that we live in a world where his reactions should be our problem, but i wonder what you think he will do to respond to that?

>> well, first of all, and sadly his reactions are our problem. >> yeah. >> and i completely agree with you. that was a narcissistic injury that he will never get over, actually. he will continue to defend himself against that even if he never says a word about it again. that is how thin-skinned he is. that is how incredibly fragile his ego is, so that was one of the most gratifying things about vice president harris' brilliant performance last night. she was able to have substance -- substantive conversations about the issues while also baiting him so exquisitely, so his reactions will get worse. as you're well aware, the fact that he showed up in the spin room is a sign of just how

desperate he is, but the des pragsz is unconscious. consciously he will continue to believe that the best thing he can do is to continue to try to dominate from a position of extraordinary weakness. >> i want to read something that feels like it still applies on his being a bully. the kidsed in neighborhood had a reputation for who beat up on kids. he would go running home in a fit of rage because someone is standing up to him in kamala harris. again, the voters will decide whether that's what they want, this guy in a fit of rage, but it's clear that each his aides are telegraphing to "the new york times" and others and the irony of the person who holds the nuclear codes when your own

aides are telling journalists that he can't constrain himself is neverending, but again, play that forward for us over 55 days when his freedom is on the line for him. >> one of the things that hopefully will change the way a lot of people discuss donald is that we are no longer going to make assumptions that it's all just baked in which has been a mistake. you know, a lot of -- unfortunately, a lot of media outlets have done that a long time with few exceptions. you've been talking about this for years now so you know that allowing that to see bid is a huge mistake because then it's all about what the other person's going to do, and he just has to show up. that's not the case anymore. i think he did himself an enormous amount of damage and again, on the one hand, it's going to force him to double

down, which is what he does, quadruple down on a strategy that not just doesn't work, but that is self-destructive and at the same time that desperation is potentially going to make him more violent in his rhetoric and we've seen how his rhetoric has been ramping up. the context has changed, though, and he now has an opponent who is not going to wither in his presence. he now has somebody who is more dominant than he is and it is quite honestly his worst nightmare. >> i mean, to the degree that he is a toxin to our body politics, a cancer in our politics, she seems to have taken the approach to him of shrinking him before she takes out the toxin and that shrinkage seems to be eating him alive. is that a fair way to sort of observe what he's going through?

>> yeah. it's incredibly accurate way of looking at what happened and understanding his own experience of it. again, unconsciously donald is incapable of self-awareness. so the fact that he can't process and that was another great thing vice president harris said last night. he has a very difficult time processing bad things because he can't accept any responsibility for anything so it gets worse because it just continues to eat away at him because he hasn't done the work. so it is going to diminish him, and one thing that she established, and i hope this will be done more explicitly as we go, and you know, a lot of us have been doing it for a while and it's much different when it's the person in the room that has as much, if not more power than you, he needs to be branded now and forever as a very small

man and extraordinary loser that he's always been. >> mary, before you go, i just want to say something else about it is -- it is beautifully written. it is a brave thing to have written, and i appreciate you for putting yourself out there and putting this story out there. the new book is called "who could ever love you" a family memoir. it's out right now, and it is must read. thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. thank you. when we come back, our friend top election attorney mark elias took on the disgraced ex-president 65 times after the 2020 election. elias won 64 cases. so what's his response to trump's lies last night about the 2020 election and the danger they pose? he'll join us next to answer that. that new projects means new project managers. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. when you sponsor a job on indeed, it's easier for talented candidates to find it. which makes it easier for you to hire them.

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whisker and we should point out and you should know this, 60 cases in front of many judges. >> no judge looked at it. they said we didn't have standing. that's the other thing. they said we didn't have standing. >> sarcastic or not, four years later trump is still refusing to accept reality, that he is the loser of the 2020 presidential election. he is so caught up in his lies that he has vowed to go after anyone he thinks is cheating him out of winning in 2024. >> this was a post from president trump about this

upcoming election just weeks away. he said when i win those people who cheated and then he lists donors, voters, election official, he said will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law which will include long-term prison sentences. one of your campaign's top lawyers responded said we won't let donald trump suspect press the vote. is that what you believe he's trying to do here? >> donald trump was fired by 81 million people. so let's be clear about that and clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that. >> the lawyer for vice president harris' campaign, a familiar face to all of you, mark elias, a lawyer who beat trump in the 64 of 65 court cases having to do with the 2020 election and he joins us now. you were at the center of this election that the vice president said is still processing, but you're also at the center of this effort that trump is promising to prosecute literally

and figuratively should he prevail. are you doing anything to prepare for that occasion other than making sure that vice president harris does prevail? >> so, you know, as i said in that tweet when he posted this ridiculous screed about how he would go after lawyers and election officials and donors and everybody else under the sun who he thought was involved in ensuring free and fair elections in 2020, you know, i'm not going to be intimidated by a bully like donald trump. i'm not going to be intimidated by someone who proved himself time and time again to be a liar and now a convicted criminal, and last night you can add another title to that. he was a pathetic human being. you know, he showed himself not just to be ill equipped or unequipped to be president of the united states, he showed

himself to be, you know, angry and small and -- and incoherent and so, you know, i take him literally, and i take him seriously that he will do everything he can to overturn our democracy and to emulate his heroes like viktor orban, but the fact is that, you know, the american people fired him in 2020 and they are not going to re-hire him in 2024. >> weigh in on the strategy that the vice president has deployed with such success of shrinking him down to size and then dismantling, as you just said, the incoherence of his arguments. the unpopularity of his policies like the abortion ban, and the -- the lack of regard that when she looked at him and said your general, i spoke to your senior military leadership.

they think you're a disgrace. talk about what you saw from her last night. >> look, i saw the kamala harris that i've always seen. i was kamala harris' lawyer when she ran for the u.s. senate the first time and that was the kamala harris i saw and i saw her in the 2020 campaign and that was the kamala harris that i saw. she is an extraordinary human being and she is one of the nicest, warmest people you would ever meet in person, but she is also one of the most prepared and committed public servants that you will ever run across. so the kamala harris i saw on the stage last night, you know, just as an ordinary citizen like everybody else watching on tv. kudos to her and her team for preparing for this debate, but the kamala harris i saw on tv last night is the one that i have seen all along and that is the kamala harris who was going to be sworn in as the next president of the united states on january 20th. >> i don't get to say this to you very often, but you and

chris christie used some of the same words, i think he described her as exquisitely prepared. just talk about the contrast. preparation connotes respect, respect for the office and respect for the american people, it comes across in everything she does. she's listening. she makes a question about a personal attack against her from trump about you and me and the country and the people. talk about that contrast which was so stark last night. >> yeah. so donald trump is fundamentally a narcissist who is interested only in himself. in many respects, you know, donald trump is running for president because he's trying to run away from being in prison for his various crimes. he went to the u.s. supreme court to try to get absolute immunity because he wants to be a dictator, right? donald trump is all about himself. kamala harris is a public servant. kamala harris could have gone into any kind of -- of corporate

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