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tonight on "the reidout" -- >> is springfield they're eating the dogs, the people that came in. they're eating the cats. they're eating -- they're eating the pets of the people that live there. >> trump's debate disaster reached the height of absurdity with his racist conspiracy theory about haitian migrants, which has been spread by jd vance and other republicans. also tonight, vice president harris and donald trump met again today at ground zero on this 9/11. trump's first visit in years. as we look back at his history of lies and bizarre statements about that terrible day. and we begin tonight with 55 days to go until election day, with early voting starting even sooner. and last night, vice president kamala harris delivered a master class in how to stick the

landing in a debate. it all started in those first few seconds with that power move handshake. and harris introducing herself to trump. perhaps because it was the first time the two have been face to face, or maybe so she could, you know, let him hear the proper way to pronounce her name. and from then on, she kept laying the bait and trump just kept falling for it. >> but you will also notice is that people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. >> first let me respond to the rallies. people start leaving. people don't go to her rallies. there's no reason to go. and the people that do go, she's bussing them in and paying them to be there. and then showing them in a different light. so, she can't talk about that. people don't leave my rally. we have the biggest rallies. the most incredible rallies in the history of politics. >> world leaders are laughing at donald trump. i have talked with military leaders, some of whom worked with you, and they say you're a disgrace.

>> let me just talk about world leaders. viktor orban, they call him a strong man. >> donald trump was fired by 81 million people. so let's be clear about that. and clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that. >> you talk about a threat to democracy, he got 14 million votes and they threw him out of office. and you know what, i'll give you a little secret, he hates her. he can't stand her. >> and that's pretty much how it went all night. with trump stuck on the ropes, unable to regain his footing. and as i said last night, trump got destroyed in this debate, for one main reason, not because the debate was rigged, as trump has already claimed or because the moderators were mean to him, it was because he cannot control his own mind. his performance was so bad that even his pals on fox had to admit it. >> make no mistake about it, trump had a bad night. >> i don't think the american people are watching and thinking

any of these people won. this was -- this was rough. >> he took all of the bait and none of the opportunities. >> donald trump miss a few opportunities, absolutely. >> trump's own lap dog senator lindsey graham told the bull work tim miller that trump's performance was a disaster and that his debate team should be fired. sure, lindsey, not trump's fault at all. it was the people around him. the fact that it was a poor night for donald must not have been lost on him because how else do you explain him running to the spin room last night after the debate ended. the last 24 hours has all been about spin for the trump campaign to try to put lipstick on a pig and point the fingers everywhere else, anywhere else, in fact. this morning, trump baselessly suggested, okay, that vice president harris was given the questions beforehand. >> they had a rigged show. it was somebody that maybe even had the answers.

i'll be honest, i watched her talk. and i said, you know, she seems awfully familiar with the questions. and you get pretty good at that stuff after a while. >> yeah. uh-huh. no, no, donald. you know what's that's called, that's called being prepared. perhaps you should, i don't know, think about that for next time. maybe give it a shot. joining me now is gentlemen lanny cob, dean of colombia school of journalism and msnbc contributor. olivia troy and former senior adviser to mike pence. hugo lowell and tommy vitor, co-host of pod save the world and coauthor of democracy or else, how to save american in ten easy steps. we have to talk about that book at some point, tommy. we have to save democracy. if it's ten steps, i'm with it. i want to come to the table first. i want to get you the head of the columbia school of journalism. i love reminding people you are

the boss columbia school of journalism. how the debate went. david and linsy davis. >> they were consistent. they were professional. and you know, one of the narratives has been around how frequently donald trump took the bait from kamala harris. i think one of the lesser discussed things is the fact that the moderators never took any bait. that they continued -- when he deflected, they would follow up. you know, and that's one of the other things that people fail to do. often with donald trump. you know, he will give a nonanswer and just move on to the next question. they didn't do that. they did a judicious amount of fact checking. so, it wasn't intrusive. and they were like a referee in a boxing match, where, you know, you are there just to make sure that everyone is adhering to the rules and then you're invisible. >> yeah. >> it was just a banner example of how an event like that should

be moderated. >> absolutely. they didn't always get an answer to their questions. let me just play this. this is a mash of trump refusing to answer questions. >> would you veto a national abortion ban if it came to you? >> i would have to. >> if i could get a yes or no. your running mate jd vance said that you would veto it if it did come to your desk. >> i didn't discuss it with jd in all fairness. >> just to clarify, do you believe it's in the u.s. best interest for ukraine to win this war, yes or no? >> the u.s. best interest to get finished and get it done. >> nine years after you first started running, do you have a plan and can you tell us what it was? >> obamacare was lousy health care. always was. not good today. >> you still do not have a plan? >> i have concepts of a plan. >> even though they didn't get an answer to the questions, they were persistent in fact checking when he said something bizarre. >> right. and even when they didn't get an answer, you know, it was obvious to the viewing public that he had not answered. >> right. >> the follow-up was to say,

okay, this guy is not going to answer. >> olivia, you were there, you were in the room. this is -- you know, one of the best answers i think from vice president harris. it was really strong answer. and it was about the abortion question after donald trump lied as lawrence o'donnell pointed, his biggest lie of saying that all of america, democrats, republicans, independents, everybody wanted abortion returned to the states. here is vice president harris' response. >> one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government and donald trump certainly should not be telling a woman what to do with her body. i have talked with women around our country. you want to talk about this is what people wanted? pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term, suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency room because the healthcare providers are afraid they might go to jail and she's bleeding out in a car

in the parking lot -- she didn't want that. her husband didn't want that. a 12 or 13-year-old survivor of incest being forced to carry a pregnancy to term. they don't want that. >> olivia one of the things that vice president harris is going to have to do in order to win this election is to move over as many suburban white women voters as she can. how effective was that answer in her overall performance in your view in trying to do that, including republican and independent women? >> i think it was incredibly impactful, and i'll tell you this, watching her on that debate stage as she spoke about the situation and the issue in that way, i think resonates with american people. american families and female voters. and i'll tell you, i'm glad that she spoke about faith and the way she delivered this on that stage because i have seen her engage republican women voters

in michigan. i've seen her do this in person where she talks about this issue and it is so incredibly impactful the way she does it because people feel like she is meeting them there, conservative women meeting them halfway and talk about it the way we do, as people the way we talk to each other the way we talk to our friends. i will tell you, i was in arizona last week meeting with arizona republican women talking about reproductive rights. just having these conversations one on one with some of these women, there is a lot of emotion about what's happening around the country. and i think the way that kamala harris delivered that last night really resonates. that's how women are feeling right now. >> yeah. and again, it is something that she has to do because getting even a small percentage, a small movement of white women voters to get closer to 50/50 is really the ball game. hugo, you reported to us before that the trump strategy was basically, you know, put your two fingers in your ears and pray he does well in the debate. that didn't happen.

he didn't do well in the debate. what are they saying now? >> yeah, look, it's a universal acknowledgment that it was a bad night last night. they won't say it publicly, of course, but privately multiple people in the trump campaign are telling me through the night that, you know, he sounded off. he sounded bad. he sounded rattled. and that basically couldn't shake his anger. you know, there was one trump aide that i text and really kind of summed it up for me which was them saying, you know, tonight was -- will it benefit us? no, it will not benefit us. this will not convince any undecided voters to come to our side. this will not convince any independents to come to our side. it was a costly missed opportunity. the one thing the trump campaign was upset about and disappointed about is they had prepped so many immigration-related responses and trump ultimately delivered none of them. he got kind of as-is, he got sidetracked and obsessed with

this whole haitian immigrant eating pets thing. they prepped. what he was supposed to do was to say, well, this is the story that's been coming out of springfield and pivot to attacking harris on the effects of the illegal immigration on crime. instead he got bogged down in this. he got baited by harris repeatedly. couldn't let it go. and then ended up arguing with the moderators and the number of face plant emojis i got from trump aides last night, i can't describe to you what a missed opportunity everyone thinks it was. >> maybe they just should have sat in front of him and said the word crowd size 400 times until he got over it that maybe he could, you know, get numb to it because the minute she said crowd size, that was the end of his mental stability. tommy vitor, welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> welcome to the fam. i want to play for you one of the more bizarre moments of the night. this is the part where donald trump invented someone. he invented a person who doesn't exist in addition to the people he says are eating dogs.

this is another person who doesn't exist, his name is abdul. >> i got involved with the taliban because the taliban was doing the killing. that's the fighting force within afghanistan. they don't bother doing that because they deal with their own people all the time. but i got involved. and abdul is the head of the taliban. he is still the head of the taliban. and i told abdul, don't do it anymore. you do it anymore, you'll have problems. and he said, why do you send me a picture of my house? i said you're going to have figure that out, abdul. >> maybe the reason that vp harris is looking at him that way is number one she's probably thinking maybe he should go back to the old folks home and have a bowl of jello or might also thinking to herself, nope, nope, nope. the head of the taliban is not abdul. maybe he couldn't remember it. i had to write it down to know it. your thoughts in making up abdul as a person that isn't real. >> i mean, it's classic trump.

he tells this story all the time at the rallies. trying to have it both ways on afghanistan. what happened here is his administration negotiated a deal directly with theal pan to get u.s. troops out. they cut out the afghan government and they actually set a more ambitious timeline than president biden ultimately stuck to. president biden came in. he had a timeline for withdrawal. but he had no plan from the trump administration because they basically refused to engage in any transition planning, so his team was just sort of handed this outcome. and so, what president biden did was actually delay the withdrawal timeline until the end of the summer, essentially. and try to move as fast as possible to get all u.s. troops out and also get out, you know, siv visa holders, the people who helped the u.s. government, the intelligence community, the u.s. military other the years and try to process those visas despite the trump administration having gutted that program. trump wants credit for ending the war but no blame for the very messy outcome at the end. it's just sort of classic trump. >> yeah.

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>> people have often said debates don't matter. debates -- here is the thing, right, we're dealing with a race that is so evenly matched. statistically, that even a small fluctuation has an outsized effect. so one of the things i thought was really fascinating was kamala harris making reference to the 800,000 polls. >> yes. >> who live in pennsylvania. oh, this is micro targeting. >> yes. >> in the same way they were saying that, the late surge of taylor swift fans, that might actually flip a precinct. that might be determinative -- when we're looking at 10,000 votes, you can get 10,000 people virtually anywhere. >> right. >> in 2016. so, i think that those small kinds of -- because the race is so close, those kinds of things have an outsized effect. >> absolutely. tommy vitor, i'll go to you on a taylor swift question. taylor swift endorsing, she has

283 million followers. she did this enforcement last night with the cat lady, the cat in her hand, signed it childless cat lady. she's been attacked by the far right for being unmarried and having no children in her early 30s. and saying she's going to cast her vote for vice president harris, 9.6 million people have looked at that post. and you've seen a surge, tommy, because back in the day, when -- i was a small fry and you were working for obama at a very big level, he had a lot of celebrity endorsers. the question is whether those translated to votes. in her case, you seen 4 or 500,000 people register to vote just based on that post. your thoughts? >> yeah. i mean, first of all, shout out to jd vance. seems like his only accomplishment so far this cycle has been helping get the taylor swift endorsement for his opponent. so credit to him. do more podcasts, buddy. come on ours. look, i think jelani's point is right, this election will be decided by tens of thousands of votes in various states.

so i do think anything that moves numbers on the margins matters. taylor swift is one of the most famous people on the planet. it's not necessarily a question of whether she's changing opinions as whether she is encouraging her fans, lots of young women, for example, who might not vote to vote. you know, and if she can just turn some people out, if she can get people out in key states, i mean, i actually do think it can make a difference. i remember being in iowa when oprah winfrey came and did events for us there. it was a freezing cold day. we weren't sure how many people were going to show up. there was snow and all of a sudden we had thousands and thousands of people all this data that we could mine to find new people who had never caucused before. so i think it's pretty meaningful. >> and olivia the response has been what you would expect. you had the guy who owns x-twitter, the gentleman from the old apartheid who seems to reminisce of his former country south africa, tweeting a vulgar

thing about her. okay, fine, taylor, i'll give you a child and protected your cats with my life. trump freaking out about it. saying he prefers, you know, mahomes' mom i guess to taylor swift. they don't seem happy about it. but do you think in the end the swifties have the power to move an election? >> i really do. and look, i know what post you're talking about when it comes to that guy because i saw that post on social media and i thought it was completely disgusting what he was saying about taylor swift. i mean, i don't even know how anyone respectable who owns a private company like that would speak that way. but we have seen a lot of disgusting things he's done along the way. i shouldn't be surprised. absolutely. swifties, i think, look, i'll admit i'm a swifty. i'm a die hard fan. i think we'll get out the vote. and i think he's absolutely right. i think it's about turnout and if she can motivate people and say you have to vote this election. i think that's critical because in 2020 i think when it came down to 40,000 votes, i think

that's the margin of it, i think is what we know. so that's critical. and i think it's going to be incredibly important. but you know, i have to say this because it's killing me. i was watching trump last night. and all i could think about when he started talking about eating pets and hugo mentioned this, first of all, i was appalled on the world stage that was said by a former president who wants to be in the on the floor office. that is incredibly shocking and think of alf. talking about eating a cat. that is where we are in the republican party right now. that is where we are. how embarrassing for my party, right? just shocking. >> and by the way, alf would be a better candidate. and he would probably be more responsible with the button than donald trump. i'm just going to throw that out there. hugo, you know, part of what prompted taylor swift to post this is that the trump people wanted her endorsement so badly they made an ai fake version of it and tweeted it out from his truth social account. so they're pretending -- they want her to endorse them. and they didn't get it. how concerned are they

internally that she might actually move young, white women voters and her fans in general and girl dads and all sorts of people to the polls for harris/walz. >> i think it's significant concern actually because one conversation i had with a trump campaign official recently was how they really don't have big celebrities on their side. the kinds of -- >> they have amber rose. sorry. keep going. >> the kinds of people they have are elon musk and the tech bros. but it doesn't really -- >> kid rock. >> appeal to a huge swath of the population. and this is the problem they have. democrats have a lot of celebrities. they have a lot of actors. they have a lot of hollywood talent who are very driven and helpful to the harris campaign. the trump campaign knows it's got a massive deficit with that. and you know, as we reported before, not only got a deficit with kind of celebrity endorsement, it's got a deficit on the ground game. it's got now a deficit to kamala harris in the polls. and so when you look at it all together, the trump campaign

knows it's behind. and they were hoping that the debate would at least put something in their corner and now they're behind on that front, too. >> yeah. and tommy, trump has been a little iffy on whether he would be willing to debate again. it would seem now he needs it, but it is the harris campaign that's saying bring it on, let's debate again. and he doesn't seem 100% sure he's willing to do it even on fox. >> yeah. i think the first mistake was letting morons like matt gaetz and tulsi gabbard do your debate prep and call it policy sessions. maybe a little more disciplined in preparation would help him. trump, you know, you mentioned this earlier, last night he lost so badly he had to go to the spin room and then he went to his safe space, which is sean hannity show. and there they pressed him about whether he would do another debate with fox because fox obviously wants to make money off of it. and he would not commit to doing a debate. and i imagine kamala harris' people are chomping at the bit to get another debate because she is good at this and she is disciplined and he is not. and i imagine his advisers are

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♪♪ donald trump has always had a fixation with dogs, which is weird given that he's never actually had a pet. he regularly says things like, they treated him like a dog or he was fired like a dog. it's kind of his thing. last night he returned to the topic in the weirdest way possible when he lied to millions of americans by falsely accusing haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio, of stealing people's dogs and cats and

eating them. >> in springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats. they're eating -- they're eating the pets of the people that live there. and this is what's happening in our country. >> talk about extreme. >> i mean, the vice president couldn't help but laugh because, what? but really this is an incredibly racist trope that has been wielded against very immigrant groups for decades and it's a hurtful lie that can lead to people being marginalized or even harmed. on monday, the springfield police division said they received no reports, related to pets being stolen and eaten. the original claim came from a springfield facebook group because, of course. the original poster did not cite any firsthand knowledge, you might be surprised of such a thing taking place. because it's facebook. this lie went viral and was amplified by charlie kirk, elon

musk, ted cruz, trump, his adult children, his campaign, the republicans on the house judiciary committee and ohio senator and trump running mate, james david vance who is the original promoter of this lie. nbcesia meesh al sin doer asked him about it. >> what do you say about spreading false claims to haitian immigrants put their lives at risk. >> well, i don't think that -- no one has spread false claims. what they've said is that a small migrant community, 20,000, so it's big for the city of springfield, but small compared to all haitians in the united states of america that that small migrant community caused a lot of problems. >> caused problems. the haitian american foundation for democracy, an organization that engages the des a por ra in promoting policies that foster human rights, inclusion, issued a statement accusing trump and vance of exploiting and scapegoating. and they added, quote, the simple truth is that towns like

springfield, ohio, whose economy were in decline, have been revitalized by the influx of haitian and other legal immigrants. as these communities adjust to demographic changes, this transitional period should be viewed as an opportunity for growth and collaboration not for sewing confusion and fear. i'm joined now by the co-founder of that organization, patrick gaspart, also the president and ceo for the center for progress. yamish, can you give us more of what vance had to say to you in explanation for saying that 20,000 or so haitian migrants, are, quote, causing problems. >> well, i pressed him after he said -- and repeated that baseless claim that haitians were abusing animals. and he told me he had been hearing from a lot of constituents. i went back to his office, can you put me in touch with those constituents, put me in touch with anyone who has seen or heard of migrants abusing and

eating animals and his office has not responded to me. but he continues to say he has heard from a lot of constituents. what we do know is that city officials have been very clear there is no evidence of this. i have been reporting all day on this. and haitian immigrants here tell me they have never seen that. they've never heard of anybody doing that here. and i have to tell you, joy, this is a community of haitians who migrated here legally because springfield wanted to revitalize their town and really advertised they had manufacturing jobs, they had affordable housing for people to come. so they wanted these migrants here. now they say they're doubly traumatized because haitian immigrants right now are fleeing gang violence and insecurity in their own country and now i just talked to a man too scared to go on camera who said his co-worker were asking him do you eat cats at his construction job and now too scared to walk the streets here saying he feels insecure in his homeland of haiti and insecure here. we do know that city officials said there are a lot of resources that they want to get to really help the haitian

community because there has been a big influence here. but this lie, this baseless claim, at least for now, lie is what the haitian-americans and haitian immigrants are calling it to me in interviews, it's really hurting people. and really leaving a lot of heartbroken, joy. >> you are in springfield and able to give us that first-hand reporting from that city. patrick, this has been a theme of right wing attacks against many immigrant groups. they would say it about people from china, about people from all sorts of other places. this targeting, though, of haitians comes on top of a history of targeting haitians, blaming them for aids in the '80s and hiv and blaming haitians for anything you want to think of. what do you think of vance who has a history on the racial front, is doing? >> thank you so much for having me on, tonight, joy, to talk about this difficult subject. i appreciate why the vice president laughed and mocked donald trump when he made those accusations last night. i appreciate why all of this has

become anemiafied on social media. it's not a laughing matter for haitians who are hard-working, contributing to communities across ohio. not only in springfield. i've been talking to folks all day, activists on the ground, hard-working people saying they're not letting their children out to play after school. they're getting the kind of questions that was just repeated from their co-workers. and they are concerned that maybe they have to leave this community, that they have been helping to revitalize over the last few years. we know what jd vance is doing. it's a divide and distract mode that they're in because they don't actually have a credible argument to make against vice president harris on the economy, on just about anything. so they're going there. those of us who are from new york have seen donald trump lay out these kinds of tropes against haitian-americans not just over the last nine years but for several decades now. he has an obsession with haitian-americans. as was noted, the city of

springfield called for migrants to come in to work because ohio's population has actually been depleted. it's not just springfield, it's columbus, lima, it's all across the state. where they've been losing population at a time when manufacturing has been booming in america. we have companies like honda that established factories in ohio. and they were going looking for workers. these workers came. they've been responsible. they are on time. they pay taxes in the local economy. and they've led to this revitalization. so we know it's a racist divide and conquer that's as old as the willy horton strategy that we've gotten from republicans in the past. >> and just -- on the question of strategy, you know, i was in florida 14 years. and my experience is that haitian-americans who are 500,000 plus strong in the state of florida, a very large population, something like 20 to 30,000 in the state of ohio,

tend to be more republican leaning. it sound to me like -- at least they're open to both parties. they come to this country without a predisposition to be democrats. they're saying they're not interested in this community voting for them. they would rather throw that vote away and alienate this group of people in order to further gin up white voters by scaring them about black and brown people. >> joy, we know that for donald trump and for jd vance, the maga cult is all that matters. not interested in having a conversation with persuadable voters, with independents, with anyone who has legitimate concerns about all the important questions that we all have to be asking ourselves about the future instead. they're going to look to the past. they're going to try to drag us in the past and they do it with these old, divisive tactics. you are right that the haitian community, the haitian-american community, they are stakeholders. they are property owners. they are aspirational and upwardly mobile. and they care deeply about democracy and freedom. and they're going to make

choices at the ballot box based on those value sets. instead of having a conversation with these black haitian americans, they would rather demonize them, dehumanize them in ways that are, of course, not going to persuade them to support them but are actually threatening and dangerous for people in these communities today. i spoke to an advocate today who said that she is amazed and overwhelmed by the volume of hate mail, not just on the internet, but physical mail that she's now receiving. this is a dangerous thing. and we've got to unite and support that community. >> and trump did this when he labeled the coronavirus after the country of china. and you saw the hate mail. you saw what calling people out does to communities. and i will say one last thing, y'all need to give some respect to the nation of haiti. no haiti, no new orleans. no haiti, no louisiana purchase. no haiti half this country would not even be part of this country without the revolution that took place in haiti. show some dag gone respect,

donald trump. read a book. patrick, yamish, excellent reporting. >> joy, we're giving you a haitian passport. thank you, my sister. >> i will take it, my brother. i will take it. thank you so much. coming up, as harris and trump both commemorated the anniversary of 9/11 today, it's one more reminder of trump's history of lies and bizarre statements on the tragedy. that's next. i have dry eye... tired, itchy, burning... my symptoms got worse over time. my eye doctor explained the root was inflammation—so he prescribed xiidra. xiidra works differently. xiidra targets inflammation. over-the-counter drops don't do this. they only hit pause on my symptoms. but twice-daily xiidra gives me lasting relief. xiidra treats the signs and symptoms of dry eye disease. don't use if allergic to xiidra and seek medical help if needed. common side effects include eye irritation, discomfort, blurred vision, and unusual taste sensation. >> i will take it, my brother. >> i will take it, my brother. n.

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today marks 23 years since the september 11 attacks. and this morning in new york we saw a momentary pause from the campaign with vice president kamala harris and donald trump shaking hands as they attended the ceremony at ground zero in new york, just hours after the debate last night. it was also trump's first time attending the official ceremony at the site of the world trade center in new york since 2016. during his time as president, the born and raised new yorker commemorated the somber anniversary at the pentagon and at the flight 93 memorial site in shanksville, pennsylvania. in 2021, he visited a fire house in mid town manhattan instead of attending the 20th anniversary ceremony. his presence at today's remembrance after a notable stretch did not go unnoticed by one attendee. >> where were you for 20 years? i've been here.

where were you? >> over the years donald trump has had a history of callous comments and outright lies about the events of september 11th. >> is there a muslim problem in the world? >> absolutely. absolutely. i mean, i don't know swedish people knocking down the world trade center. there certainly is. >> i was down there and i watched our police and our firemen down 711, down at the world trade center. everyone who helped clear the rubble and i was there and i watched and i helped a little bit. and i was down there also, but i'm not considering myself a first responder. but i was down there. i spent a lot of time down there with you. >> okay. there is absolutely no evidence of donald trump being at ground zero on september 11, 2001. but he is also frequently commemorated the day with tone deaf messages on social media. in 2018, his first post of the day was a complaint about the russia investigation based on something he saw on fox. he then posted praise for former

new york mayor rudy giuliani. and a photo of himself and first lady melania trump on route to the flight 93 memorial in pennsylvania before declarative 17 years since september 11th with an exclamation point. you would be forgiven if you forgot that in 2013 he infamously tweeted, quote, i would like to extend my best wishes to all even the haters and losers on this special date, september 11th. unquote. he deleted that tweet a couple years later, but never removed his own retweet of the sentiment. so it lives on in perpetuity. in posterity, too. much like what donald trump was actually doing on this day 23 years ago. and that's next. years ago. and that's next.

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23 years later, you can still hear donald trump's reaction to the terror attacks of september 11 because he called into a local tv station to discuss the unfolding tragedy. >> 40 wall street actually was the second tallest building in downtown manhattan and it was actually, before the world trade center, was the tallest. and when they built the world trade center became known as the second tallest and now it is the tallest. >> in that interview trump also said he witnessed part of the attacks from his office and while running for president in 2015 he added an outrageous,

racist aspect to what he claimed to have seen. >> i watched when the world trade center came tumbling down and i watched in jersey city, new jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. >> no you didn't. just like trump's claims to have gone to ground zero on september 11, there was never any evidence of the jersey city muslim community cheering the destruction, none at all. running you now, michelle goldberg, columnist for the new york times and msnbc political analyst and justice correspondent for the nation, two of our favorites. michelle, i will start with you. to me may be the most offensive thing donald trump keeps doing is saying i was there and i was not a first responder, but i kind of was. your thoughts? >> i will say that he actually

did an even more offensive thing, which i feel like has not had the attention it deserves, which is that he brought a 9/11 truth or to the 9/11 commemoration ceremony. this is an astonishing thing. this woman, laura loomer, who has become part of his entourage. a conspiracy theorist. someone considered dishonest and disreputable by marjorie taylor greene if you want to know who we are talking about. a person who is lavish and devotion to donald trump and maybe one of his emotional support lunatics and she is someone who tweeted out 9/11 was an inside job and he brings her to this commemoration ceremony. and again, it is barely -- >> you're talking about this one, today. >> today, he did this today and because donald trump does so many despicable things that is barely registering, but i think there is something about him that has this instinct or this

compulsion to desecrate. >> absolutely and desecrate everything and also to do things, elie, that one would think our career ending. the way he desecrated arlington national cemetery would be career ending for a normal politician. even this piece about saying my building was the tallest until they brought down the world trade center and now it is the second tallest. everything he does is despicable. >> the reason it does not end his career is his supporters are despicable. trump is a narcissist, so his whole thing is a complete lack of compassion and empathy. that is why he lies about 9/11. he is probably the least compassionate president we've had in 200 years since andrew jackson and it works for him because his supporters are just as un-generous and have just as little compassion and empathy for others. so when he has seen essentially as you guys have put it,

desecrating our national symbols. when he is seen putting himself above all else, his supporters also want that to be the case. they want to do that in their own lives. that is how they think of themselves and why it is that it never hurts trump when he takes these crass and classless actions. it's because his supporters think that being crass and classless is actually kind of cool. >> also he hates the people they hate, so when he makes up this idea that muslims in new jersey were cheering and americans in new jersey cheering supposedly for the towers to come down. you know, because my supporters don't like him. >> and there are 1 million iterations of this. this is the precursor of they are reading your cats and dogs. this is the people you can demonize and then disavow responsibility when the people who admire you will sometimes act on this.

>> the other thing is he has no way of appropriately responding to 9/11, to tragedy, to pain, because he has never suffered any in his life. you have to remember this is a man who never worked one day for anyone else. he has never so much as brought another person a cup of coffee. >> he lied and said he didn't inherit 400 million. the correction is it was 413. >> is a guy that said -- >> i never met diamond, silk seemed nice. he met them. they were literally with you. >> he has no ability to interact and feel compassion for other humans and something vice president harris tried to remind people of last night when she kept saying he has no plans for you. she told people go listen to his rallies. she is reminding people if you listen to what he says it is all about him. all about him and his grievance and his issues and problems. the most whining rich man

you've ever met in your life and it is never about the people, and his comments, his issues, his inability to act like a human on this day of all days shows through. >> and it is why he has a ceiling. there does not seem to be any place for him to grow. >> i think it is why he has a ceiling, though it is a tarnishing that it is as high as it is. there was a time when being one degree of separation away, two degrees of separation away from saying that 9/11 was an inside job would've been career ending for anybody in the vicinity of that rhetoric. there is something about him that loves to demonstrate his own impunity. >> there is a lot of it with him and you can't explain it, but it is real. michelle goldberg, elie mystal jr., thank you. that is tonight's "reidout". "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in"