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hi. i use febreze fade defy plug. and i use this. febreze has a microchip to control scent release so it smells first-day fresh for 50 days. 50 days!? and its refill reminder light means i'll never miss a day of freshness. ♪ it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." this hour, donald trump takes his campaign out west after declaring he's done debating. but with reviews less than stellar and some allies worried, can he be convinced to reconsider? and on a mission for momentum and money. kamala harris has just landed in johnstown, pennsylvania, after her best fundraising haul to date. a whopping $47 million in 24 hours.

plus, signs of relief in hard-hit california where wildfires have destroyed dozens of homes. the changing weather conditions that could help crews battling three massive blazes. and more turbulent times for boeing. the contract demands that ended with 30,000 workers walking off the job, and what it means for production of the company's most popular planes. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, and we start with nbc's vaughn hillyard in california where former president trump has been speaking. vaughn, what's he talking about? >> reporter: hey, chris. this was billed as a press event here. so far donald trump has been speaking for a half hour and has not answered press questions. instead he is focused at his trump golf course in los angeles on this particular neighborhood, some of the homes begun falling into the pacific ocean here because of the water movement up against the land. he's also focused up on immigration here, continually

coming back ever since the debate night on immigration and its impact on communities. yesterday he was suggesting that senate candidates should wholly focus in ohio and arizona on the impact of immigration, and he was also made mention of the debate on abc the other night, taking swings at their anchors, saying it was an unfair debate. of course yesterday trump announced that he would not be taking part in additional gate beyond this point. i'll let you take a listen. i mentioned immigration. i'll let you listen to the mental he's trying to pass on to voters to win this election. >> i'm the border president. i solved it in 2016, probably got elected because of that in 2016. and really there was nothing to do in 2020. i said to my people, i want to talk about the border, what a job i did. they said nobody cares, you did it, it was good. we went from a terrible border to a great border quickly.

did a great job. >> reporter: and he's currently talking about the prosecutions that he's faced and sentencing in new york that it's not going to be taking place until after the 2024 election, only raising the stakes of what if he is not elected lie in front of him and his legal fate here. for donald trump, he's used to -- his campaign rallies are press events where he gathers the convening press. he's hitting a lot of subject matters, not sure if he's going to be taking questions. he's going to be leaving los angeles later this afternoon for a campaign rally in las vegas later on tonight. >> vaughn hillyard, thank you for that. now to kamala harris' battleground blitz. she is in pennsylvania after announcing a major post-debate fundraiing haul. monica alba has more on this. what are woo -- are we expecting today? >> reporter: this is a clear new strategy that we're seeing from the harris team which is to target specifically and go stump

in places that donald trump was very successful in county-wise when you look to 2016 and 2020. that's specifically why the vice president is going to be speaking in johnstown and in wilkes-barre later today in pennsylvania to try to continue to make this appeal in terms of voters who maybe would not look toward her direction, but who perhaps after seeing what donald trump has offered in terms of his vision in the last eight or nine years have decided to go in a different direction. at least that's what she's going to try to do according to her campaign. we got more insight into that from senior spokesman ian sams earlier today. listen. >> she's stumping across these two counties that donald trump won in 2020 to expand her appeal and to grow her support in these areas. you're talking about a state, pennsylvania, that was decided in 2020 by around 80,000 votes. these are slim margins in the battleground states where a

divided country -- the vice president's focused on trying to grow her coalition. >> reporter: so this tells you a little about their thinking in terms of the map and what they would view as success in november, chris. and of course yesterday, north carolina was on full display. that's a place that a couple of months ago when biden was at the top of the ticket, they weren't as optimistic about, that has not gone for the democrats in some time. but after yesterday, the harris team is saying they're feeling a little better about it, that that's a place possibly where they could be successful. and then you go today back to pennsylvania, look at how much time she has spent there just in the last ten days alone. of course she was in pittsburgh doing all of her extensive debate prep, but she was also campaigning there. then she was in philadelphia for the debate and -- >> i'm going to interrupt you. we're going to donald trump where he is talking about the debate. >> why don't you say most -- 94% of the republicans said i did phenomenally in the debate. some said that i could have been

tougher. i don't know how i could have been tougher when i said he's the worst president and she is the worst vice president in the history of our country. 94% of the republicans -- and the only one that wouldn't -- maybe a mitt romney or somebody like that, but we've gotten great praise for the debate. and based on the polls, like rasmussen being up six today, the first poll out, based on the polls obviously i did well in the debate. also based on the debate polls where i sometimes had in one case 92% win. you know, you come from fox, you shouldn't play the same game as everybody else. go ahead. go ahead. >> what would you say to republican colleagues andalplies who are concerned about your close relationship with laura lumer? >> i don't know what they would say. laura's been a supporter of mine like a lot of people are supporters. she's been a supporter of mine. she speaks very positively of the campaign. i'm not sure why you asked that question. laura's a supporter. i don't control laura.

laura has to say what she wants. she's a free spirit. i don't know -- look, i can't tell laura what to do. laura's a supporter. i have a lot of supporters. but i don't know what exactly you're referring to. that's okay. yeah, please. i just don't know. laura's a supporter. i don't know. she is -- she is a strong person. she's got strong opinions, and i don't know what she said. but that's not up to me. she's a supporter. please. >> traveling with you on your plane -- >> there's a lot of people do. it's a very big plane. >> she made racist remarks about your opponent. she also espoused conspiracy theories about 9/11. do you disavow those remarks -- >> i have to see what the remarks are. you're telling me for the first time, we hear -- we're here discussing the destruction of san francisco and california by a person that's running for president. so i don't know what you're talking about. i do know that she may have said

something based on what you're telling me, but i don't know what she said. i'll go look and put out a statement later on. i don't know. please. >> springfield, ohio, is experiencing migrant crisis. will you hold an event there, maybe town hall? >> we could and maybe we'll do that. where are you from? [ inaudible ] that's good. they're doing a good job. very good. no, i will maybe springfield, maybe aurora, maybe both. we'll go there. i can say this -- we will do large deportations from springfield, ohio, large deportations. we're going to get these people out. we're bringing them ban to venezuela. we told biden he's not accepting anybody back. they moved all their criminals, not all of them, but the rest are moving in now. they emptied their jails in venezuela, emptied their criminals, emptied the nests, they call them nests of bad people. they're all now in the united states, and they're taking over cities. it's like an invasion from within, and we're going to have

the largest deportation in the history of our country, and we're going to start with springfield and aurora. >> the mayor of springfield, ohio, the police chief, the republican governor of ohio have all debunked this story about people eating pets. now there are bomb threats at schools and kids being evacuated. why do you still spread this -- >> no, the real threat is what's happening at our border. you have thousands of people being killed by illegal migrants coming in, and also dying -- you have women dying as they come up, they're coming up in large groups, we call it a caravan. i think i came up with that name. that's what it is. 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 people. and you have large numbers of women being killed in those caravans coming up to this countri. then when they get here, they can go into the country, and they end up being sex slaves and everything else. those are your real problems, not the problem that you're

talking about. yeah, okay. >> quick question. so you said that you will carry out the largest mass deportation of immigrants. how are you going to ask, for example, governor gavin newsom or governors in sanctuary cities to comply with that? >> if you go to the people of california, they don't want to have sanctuary cities, they're tired of sanctuary cities. sanctuary cities are blocks that protect bad people from deportation and other problems. and they're going to do it, and our federal government has tremendous power. but we're not going to let states even like california, even though i know it's largely sanctuary state essentially, but we're not going let that happen to the people of california. they want these people out. they're just as scared as everybody else. the people of ohio are scared. the people of colorado, you have a governor there who's very weak. he doesn't know what to do, and he doesn't want to talk about it. a lot of it, as per your question, they don't top talk about it. they say it's so bad for the

city, let's live with it for a while, maybe it will go ways. it's going to get worse. it's going to get so bad -- what we're experiencing now is -- they're just getting settled in. 21 million people that have come in, they're just getting settled in. it's going to get much worse. it's going to get worse at a level like nobody's seen before. go ahead. >> question regarding the economy. we're seeing more and more -- more companies are shipping jobs overseas. white-collar jobs. >> that's right. >> they're having problems with that. we've been seeing mass layoffs. how would you present white-collar jobs -- >> by lowering taxes and regulations. and what they're doing is seeing that -- every time it looks like kamala's doing well, companies want to leave, stock markets go down. the stock market, there's a great gentleman, scott bassent, one of the top wall street people. he said the market's only up because they think trump is going to get elected. we had a great stock market.

even with covid we ended up handing over a market that was higher than previous to covid or the china virus coming in. no, we are going to make sure that the taxes are going to stay where they are and/or come down, ideally come down. both for the middle class and for corporations because -- corporations put the people to work. we had the best numbers in the history of our country by far, not even close. and there are companies leaving because they cannot stand what's happening right now to our country. and one of the reasons i'm doing this today is to let them know you're not going to have to leave because we're going to take care of the problem. they have a tremendous crime problem. like if you're in los angeles, look at the crime numbers. and then you have the fbi lying about the numbers, saying the numbers went down. anybody with common sense knows the numbers are through the roof. i didn't know they were as high as they are. think of it, how good is a person from a government agency that would release the numbers when they saw that i was

unfairly targeted by abc? and you could say by the fbi with false numbers. i have great respect. i have to find out who that person is or who that group is. i have great respect. one more. >> north korea, kim jong-un just -- saying that iran is sending ballistic missiles. how -- if re-elected how would you address the situation with adversaries? >> i'll be able to make phone calls and solve most of the problems. i may have to meet a couple of times. but victor orban, it wasn't long ago, said the only way you'll solve the world problem is trump has to be president again. i didn't say it. i sort of would be embarrassed to say it. but he said everybody was afraid of trump, he said china was afraid, russia was afraid, north korea was afraid. everybody was afraid. we had no wars. we defeated isis in four weeks, and they said it was going to take five years, right? the generals in washington.

i went there and met a great general and a great -- great people, and i said go to it. and he took them out in four weeks, 100% of the isis caliphate, i flew to iraq to the field. they took them out in a short period of time, short order. we have a great military, but you know, a great military need a leader. if you don't have leaders you end up with afghanistan. the worst withdrawal from a country in the history. i've gotten to know great people, i went to arlington at their request, and i stood and was with them for hours. they did a ceremony and asked if i would go to the graves of their children, they called them their children. they always will be their children. and there were tears all over as they should be, and they said, sir, could you take pictures with me by the grave of my son? in one case a daughter. and i said, i'd love to. and i took pictures with them for a while. then i left, and that was it. i got home and get a call from

the people in the campaign, sir, the biden people are saying that you did this for publicity. if people knew how hard it was to get there -- because i was coming from a location that was very far away, and yet they were having the ceremony and i really felt -- i had them up to bedminster, most of the family members, and i got to know them. they're great people. their sons and daughter just as though kamala shot them with a pistol in her hand or his hand, they were killed by biden and kamala, they were killed. ey should have never left that airfield. they should have left bagram. bagram now is controlled by china. the reason we shouldn't have given it up was not because of afghanistan. the reason we shouldn't have given it up, one hour away from where china makes its nuclear weapons, and i wasn't giving it up. we were getting out quickly and fegively. i'm the -- effectively. i'm the one that got the numbers

down to less than 5,000 soldiers. i would have never left unless they fulfilled their obligations under an agreement. i had a wonderful agreement, but the agreement said you have to do this, this, this. they didn't do three of the first five things, so therefore they would have done it. abdul was the leader. and he wouldn't have done it. and he would have never done that to us -- >> we're going to continue to listen to this press conference by donald trump. so far so much of what he has said has been proven untrue, has been debunked including these claims that somehow dogs and cats were disappearing in springfield, ohio, that the migrant community was eating them. every single public official in springfield, ohio, has said that is not true. and in fact, the haitians who have come into the community are there legally. many of them under temporary protective status. they have fled poverty. they have fled violence in haiti. in addition to that, a community

that was hurt by loss of manufacturing jobs came out of covid with the ability to have people to fill jobs. the downtown is revitalized, and a reporter who went to the town said if you go, you'll actually see a sign hanging that says culture fest is coming." they celebrate unity through diversity. that's how the people in the town look at it, very differently than donald trump who continues to spin these conspiracy theories. i want to bring in "washington post" associate editor and msnbc host jonathan capehart and msnbc political analyst and columnist charlie sacks. jonathan, i'll start with you because he was asked pointedly about what's happened since j.d. vance and he started amplifying these untruths that there have been bomb threats, school kids feel threatened. and he said the real threat is at our borders. tell us what's going on here.

>> chris, i've been watching donald trump's press conference since before we were doing the segment, before you jumped to it as the q&a portion. i have to tell you, listening to him and particularly that answer -- one word that comes to mind is reprehensible. a former president of the united states is basically poo-pooing the concerns of the elected officials in the affected city, in springfield, ohio. the republican governor of the state debunked this. and yet he's still talking about it and throws it back to the border. and then what he says in addition to that is that this is why i will lead the largest mass deportation in the history of the country. now for someone who has tried to

put some distance between himself and project 2025, one of the reasons we know about project 2025 is because that was the one big detail pulled from it as a big red flag and an alarm months ago. it is sitting right there in project 2025. and he espouses it. he runs on it. this language that he uses -- and the first time i've heard him use the word nest when talking about immigrants, they're coming from nests. and they're coming to this country. he is dehumanizing and devaluing migrants as part of the prelude for this mass deportation. i mean, it is just -- it is unconscionable, chris, that he is saying these things and that the republican party is not

pushing back. this language that's being used, i am thankful that the reporters there are asking him these questions so that he can show america, so the american people -- show the american people what he wants to do. and what is most frightening of all is just about half of the country is buying what he's selling. >> so charlie, look, let's say, again, he's talking about the mass deportation in springfield, ohio, of people who are there according to city officials legally, who have filled jobs that led to economic revival, who pay taxes. and then praising himself. he has said everything from, charlie, suggesting that he came up with the word caravan, just like last night he asked people at his rally if they had ever heard the word invasion before. all the way to suggesting

earlier again before the q&a that he had solved the immigration problem in 2016. your reaction to what here hearing, charlie? >> well, i agree with jonathan. the word reprehensible is not too strong. also there's a warning here. when you listen to the demagoguery and the racism that he's doubling down on. look, the story out of springfield is based on an internet lie that has been amplified by j.d. vance and donald trump. it has been refuted. it has been debunked. i think what ought to be frightening, a warning, is the way that donald trump is doubling down on the lie. that even confronted with the fact that his lies are inciting violence against people in his own country, what is he saying? he's brushing it off. he's escalating his tactics.

this is something that we need to understand about donald trump if we don't already understand it, is that he never will admit that he has lied. and in many ways what he's doing now with immigration and with the haitians is just a variation of the big lie that he's been telling for the last four years about the election. and he's going to continue to ride this. and it is remarkable listening to him how really -- i'm sorry, and to jonathan's point, it is hard listening to him how utterly unhinged many of his comments are and delusional. but also, it is so striking that the republican party continues to look at him, continues to look at somebody who is flying around with somebody like laura lumer and saying we're okay with that, let's put this man back in power. it's really an extraordinary moment. >> i think, jonathan, we have to talk briefly about him being questioned about laura lumer and asking -- acting as though he

didn't know why he was being asked why she was on his campaign plane, why she was with him for 9/11 remembrances, someone who has suggested that 9/11 did not happen. we should also say laura lumer has launched racist attacks against vice president kamala harris. he calls her a free spirit who has spoken positively. her free spiritedness has included her saying things like mass murders didn't happen, they were staged. that the 17 people i guess who were killed at the marjory stoneman douglas shooting in parkland actually didn't die, it didn't happen, the 17 other people who were injured didn't. he's acting like he doesn't really know that there's any

controversy surrounding laura lumer, jonathan. >> this is very familiar. remember when he was asked in 2016 will you denounce david duke? will you not accept his endorsement? he said, i don't know who he is. i don't know -- i'll take anyone's endorsement who wants to support me. this is what he's doing with laura lumer. >> yeah. to which he responded, to which -- the followup was she office your plane, and his response was there's a lot of people, it's a big plane. >> uh-huh. the other thing that i'm reminded of, chris, and i wrote this down, he said, "laura is a supporter. i can't tell her what to do. she's a strong person with strong views." i went back to 2008 when the recording came out from reverend jeremiah wright who had been a candidate for president, democratic candidate for

president barack obama. what -- where he said something to the effect of, you know, not god bless america, god damn america. this is -- i'm quoting from a sermon that reverend jeremiah wright gave years before that. what happened? it threw barack obama's presidential campaign into a tailspin. he had to give a speech on race which is one of the best and most important political speeches ever in american history. but certainly on race. to save his campaign. and now look where we are. where a former president of the united states is traveling around with a conspiracy theorist and nary a word from the republican party. there is no effort to hold him accountable. there's no effort to get him off the ticket. there's no effort to shame him because he's incapable of being shamed. there is silence from the republican party.

charlie just a moment ago was talking about the dangerousness, how dangerous it is for donald trump to be saying what he's saying about immigrants, about migrants. but i would also add that there is a danger, people need to be aware of the danger of donald trump traveling around with someone like her, could you imagine if that recording of jeremiah wright came out in 2008 and then a couple weeks later you saw him coming off of barack obama's campaign plane? that campaign would have been over. but that just shows you how far our politics have fallen from 2008 to 2024 where donald trump is able to do what he's doing and face no repercussions from his party. >> and very little concern for the impact, again, when laura lumer says that 9/11 was an inside job what that means to the people who lost loved ones on 9/11. when people put forward

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new reporting now that the justice department is preparing criminal charges in connection with an iranian hack on donald trump's presidential campaign. the charges, which were first reported by "the washington post," focus on an online persona named robert who contacted reporters offering campaign documents stolen from the email accounts of trump advisers. investigators have since said that person was acting on behalf of the iranian government. i want to bring in devlin barrett, national security and justice reporter for "the washington post," who helped break that story. also he is co-author of "the trump trials" newsletter. got to see you again. what do we know about how this

scheme worked? >> so it wasn't a particularly sophisticated hacking scheme or leaking scheme. this used spearfishing which is basically you send an email that looks official and you basically trick the recipient into clicking on the link, the link basically allows the hacker to access the account, take over the account, take whatever files they want, and you know, skedaddle with all the data. so that's what was done to a number of people in trump's orbit. we're told that the number of email accounts compromised has gone up a bit since the fbi first started investigating this. and includes some senior campaign advisers. so what the government is now planning to do because obviously this is a tense time in this issue of foreign influence in elections is very worrisome to u.s. officials, is they're planning to file public charges possibly next week to sort of name and shame the people they think are responsible for this. >> so last week the doj

indicting two russian nationals who work for the state department, broadcaster rt, we hear it actually a little earlier when we took the press conference by secretary of state antony blinken about it. the charge funneling millions of dollars, right, into right-wing media outlets to spread that information. what do we know really about how extensive it is in this election, and how much can really be accomplished between now and election day, less than two months away? >> so what you're seeing, the state department announcement, the justice department preparing charges, other cases that the justice department has charged, the government is -- the u.s. government is trying to warning voters over and over and over in this crucial let's call it a 60-day time period that there are foreign governments trying to meddle with the election, trying to influence their votes, trying to change the outcome of the u.s. election. and one senior official yesterday gave a speech calling it a clear and present danger to

american democracy. and the reason why they're saying all these things, the reason they're filing these indictments and issuing these statements is they're trying to inoculate the american public, the voters from being tricked or fooled. and obviously in the age of the internet some people are tricked and fooled. >> yeah. and i get questions all the time, how do i know what's true, what's not, it's all out there. and it is difficult for people who really care about finding the truth. devlin barrett, thank you so much. the idf now says it has wiped out hamas in rafah. the crucial southernmost city in the gaza strip that borders egypt. our very own richard engel embedded with the idf to get a firsthand look at what's left and just filed this report. >> reporter: this is rafah in the gaza strip -- i should say what is left of rafah. you can hear israeli military drones still above. if you come around this corner here, you can see or get an idea of the extent of the damage. we have been in rafah for the last several hours on an israeli military tour, and the jordan

journalists are not allowed into rafah. the only way we were able to come in -- they're not allowed in gaza in general -- the only way in here was with the israeli army. and pretty much everywhere we have gone looks like this, just utter devastation. this entire area, all of gaza it seems, is going to need to be rebuilt. people simply cannot live here. the israeli military brought us here to show victory, to show they have been able to drive out hamas, to break the back of the hamas military infrastructure in rafah at least. and this is something of a victory tour, but this is the cost of victory, an area that is completely broken, effectively uninhabitable and which will need to be built again from scratch if that ever happens. and this specific place where we are right now has a particularly dark history. this is the place where israeli

troops found the bodies of six hostages including the american hersh goldberg-polin, and he was in a tunnel under the ground here. and all of them had been executed, about 24 hours before israeli troops arrived. they were searching this area, they were looking for hamas and suddenly a bulldozer almost collapsed into the tunnel. there was a concrete cap on top of it. and when they broke through, they saw a long shaft, and then they started searching the shaft for -- first they saw bodies, they didn't know who the bodies were. they saw initially then there was a woman that was unusual, a sign that perhaps these were hostages. and then they actually took them out and discovered the hostages' bodies. it seems that the hostages had been in this area for some time. at least weeks, israeli military commander here told me, based on the amount of let's just say

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vice president kamala harris is on the ground now, n johnstown, pennsylvania, pennsylvania being of course the most lucrative at least electoral vote-wise of the battleground states. this is a coffee shop and book shop called classic elements. and reporters who are traveling with the vice president said there were chants of "usa" and "we're not going back." but this is in a ruby red area of pennsylvania. so there was a crowd holding trump signs outside. and she does answer one question from the reporter traveling with her. it was simple, how do you feel

about pennsylvania? here's what she said. >> i am feeling very good pennsylvania because there are a lot of people in pennsylvania who deserve to be seen and heard, that's why i'm here in johnstown. and i will be continuing to travel around the state to make sure that i'm listening as much as we are talking, and ultimately i feel very strongly that i got to earn every vote. that means spending time with folks in the communities where they live. that's why i'm here. we're going to be spending a lot more time in pennsylvania. >> so vice president harris and former president trump may be at opposite ends of the political spectrum to say the least, but there is a common question and criticism of both. what are the details behind all the plans they're pitching? >> she offered no plans, no

policies, and no details whatsoever. nothing. >> that same tired playbook that we've heard for years with no plans for how he would address the needs of the american people. >> joining me now "washington post" associate editor and msnbc host jonathan capehart is back. and msnbc political analyst and columnist charlie sykes. okay, jonathan, how much do you think voters are actually wanting details? i mean, let's say of course most of them are not going to read like multipage policy proposals that get into the weeds. but do both of them, to be fair, need to offer more? >> the short answer is yes. back in the 2016 campaign, i remember then the nominee hillary clinton being criticized for having too many plans, for -- diving deep in the weeds

on so many things. look, i think that the -- the critique of vice president harris needing to put more meat on the bones of her proposals is not an -- not unfair. i wish we were in a time when she could speak with specificity about these policies. but one of the things you did, chris, which i'm so glad you did was point out that both candidates need to be more specific about what they want to do and how they're -- and how they are going to do it. and do people actually want detailed plans? i think -- i think the answer is -- is no. but the one thing that vice president harris is doing is she might not be talking to us in the media, but she is going out and talking to the people whose opinions matter the most. and that's the voters. and the fact that she is in a ruby red part of pennsylvania

and not just in blue districts like in philadelphia or in pittsburgh, says that she is going after and talking to voters wherever they are, wherever they live. and the key thing she instead that clip you showed is "i am listening as much -- we are listening as much as we are talking." when you are running for office, people want to know what your plans are, but they also want to know that you want to know what their problems are as a way of then helping you think about how you're going to solve them. >> so charlie, i think we have to mention that at the debate when he was pressed on health care and what he would do differently because donald trump wants, said many times to get rid of obamacare, he mentioned he had concepts of a plan. and then i think an example of what we're talking about happened yesterday.

donald trump again. >> as part of our additional tax cuts we will end all taxes on overtime. you know what that means? [ cheers ] think about it. think about it. think of it. it gives people more of an jeff to -- an incentive to work, it gives the companies a lot -- it's a lot easier to get the people. i went to some economists, great ones, and i said what do you think? they said, it wound would be un-- it would be unbelievable. >> charlie, to what extent do you have to say something more than a lot of economists think this would be unbelievable and i'm going to cut taxes? >> yeah, this is policy gibberish. i assume he thinks he's going to pay for this with the tariffs

which he seems to think are not actually paid by americans. he doesn't have a plan on health care. he hasn't really explained how he's going to do mass deportation because he knows that -- i think we need to understand that donald trump has no interest actually in policy. he's throwing some of these pandering ideas up against the wall, how they're going to actually work. he doesn't care, he doesn't know. and i think that they -- i'm kind of a policy wonk. one of the things i've learned the last couple of years is that i think what people want to know is are you a serious person and are you on my side? to jonathan's point, it's not insignificant that kamala harris is going out and saying i actually care about people like you. that number in the polls is always i think for revealing. when you ask people does this candidate share your values, do they care about people like you. once there is that assumption of goodwill and interest, then i

think people are willing to cut some slack on the details. but again, this election is not going to turn necessarily on the details of either candidate's tax policy. it's going to turn on the way americans feel about the future of the country. that's not to say vibes. what it means is that i think there's something larger going on here, that we have two absolutely different disparate vision of what america is and what it should be. and i don't think that most voters are going to be going to the polls and worried about, well, exactly what policy detail is on kamala harris' website versus what's on donald trump's website. i think by this point, by this point we know who and what donald trump is, what kamala harris has to do is introduce

herself. she took a giant step to introducing herself to millions of americans who don't know who she is or what she's about during that debate on tuesday. >> charlie, jonathan, gentlemen, it's always great to talk to you. be sure to catch the saturday and sunday show with jonathan capehart weekends at 6:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. his guest this weekend includes keisha lance bottoms and mary trump. you won't want to miss it. still ahead, the terrifying hit on the field raising new questions about the dangers of concussions in the nfl. fl rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. but i'm protected with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can be serious for those over 60, including those with asthma, diabetes, copd and certain other conditions. but i'm protected. arexvy is proven to be over 82% effective

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and takes a shot. >> reporter: this morning another frightening moment for nfl star tua tagovailoa after the miami dolphins quarterback, who has suffered from a string of head injuries on the field, left last night's game against the buffalo bills with yet another concussion. >> here it is again. shot from hamlin right there. down he goes. check him out. >> reporter: late in the third quarter, scrambling for a first down collided head first into bills' safety damar hamlin. he remained down for a few moments, moving his hands and arms in a response often connected to concussions. he was attended to on the field before exiting with a noticeable limp but under his own power. today's kaylee hartung was working on the sideline for the game. >> he has been ruled out with a concussion. they were able to determine that just six minutes after he left the field and went into the locker room. >> reporter: miami's head coach mike mcdaniel who kissed tua on the head as he left the field

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