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stage on tuesday, last night in arizona he said it again -- veering from immigration policy to baseless race baiting. >> recording of 911 calls even show residents are reporting that the migrants are walking off with the town's geese. they're taking the geese. you know where the geese are -- in the park, in the lake. and even walking off with their pets. my dog's been taken. my dog's been -- this can only happen -- these people are the worst. >> extending the bad press into a third day now, we've been here before a lot of times. for instance, remember this moment when megyn kelly called him out in 2015 during the first gop debate. >> you've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals.

your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. >> no, it wasn't. it was well beyond rosie o'donnell. >> yes, i'm sure it was. >> your twitter account has several disparaging comments about women's looks. you once told a contestant on "celebrity apprentice" it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should election as president? >> what i say and oftentimes it's fun, it's kidding, we have a good time. what i say is what i say. >> after mexico is sending rapists and john mccain isn't a war hero, that was one of the first moments that donald trump showed us what his strategy was for bad press. the night after that debate in 2015 he called in to cnn not to apologize or to try to soften his past behavior, but instead to claim that megyn kelly was only hard on him because she had her period. he ran at the controversy instead of running away from it. it's what he does with everything, birtherism, the

"access hollywood" tape, muslim ban, russian interference, january 6th, the impeachments, the trials. don't hide, get louder. a lot of the time it works for him. after "access hollywood" women on the campaign trail wore shirts saying you could grab them by their you know what. much of the gop sees john mccain more as a political villain than at war hero. the muslim ban was wildly popular among his base. january 6th rioters are political prisoners, they think, and trump is the ultimate political victim. constantly being persecuted by the media, greedy liberals, and the elites. america has now experienced nine years of this. with a new "reuters" ipsos poll that shows compared to kamala harris only 18% of registered voters say that donald trump seems like somebody who would listen to them and understand their concerns, does that

strategy still work? and even if it doesn't, what effect does his insistence on a spreading a dangerous and fear-mongering lie have in the real world on the very real people at the center of it? the mayor of springfield joins us in just a moment. you're going to want to hear what he has to say. joining us now, though, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, "washington post" senior national political correspondent and msnbc political analyst ashlie parker, and "new york times" opinion columnist david french. all right, so vaughn, it feels like the campaign in the early stages at least kind of knew that this sort of chaos and controversy, this fear mongering, these outrageous statements weren't really going to work for him any longer. they were trying to make him into somebody who would talk more about policy. but something feels like it changed in the past couple weeks. there's something that's broken within the campaign. are you seeing any evidence of that from your reporting, from

your experience with donald trump on the campaign trail? >> reporter: donald trump throughout this 2024 run, he hasn't felt like he had his back against the wall. he went into the republican national convention feeling like he was on top, and frankly, the polls in each of these battleground states showed him in solid position. his posture has since changed since kamala harris went on, top the ticket. during the republican primary he was beating decisively ron desantis and nikki haley, anyone who came swinging for him. he tamped down any sort of rise. kamala harris is different and that led to the debate that played out on tuesday night. donald trump claims he won the debate. and he just held a press conference here at his los angeles golf club. and our colleague garrett haake asked why he is not going to take part in another debate when polls show him down in some recent polling, and he said that's not the polling that he's looking at. that he's above, and that he's

already done two debates against joe biden and kamala harris. that's where i want to let you listen to an exchange i had with him specifically about laura lumer. we know donald trump's tendencies, right, is to steer clear of, you know, too much focus on policy, instead go for the attacks and focus on the ideas of the immigration crisis and its impacts on communities like springfield, and yet then he welcomes somebody like laura lumer, america's preeminent conspiracy theorist if you may onto his plane here in the closing days before early ballots go out. and so i wanted to -- to try to give trump the benefit of the doubt on the line of whether he was familiar with these conspiracy theories that laura lumer has promoted. he told another reporter here this afternoon that he was unfamiliar with them, and that he would have to go back and check which led me to ask him, number one, what value does he think that she brings, why travel around with laura lumer? and number two, had nobody on his campaign or anybody told him

about these conspiracy theories? take a listen. what value do you feel that laura lumer brings to you, and has nobody told you about the conspiracy theories that she has promoted? >> no, i don't know that much about it. no, i don't. i know she's a big fan of the campaign. but i really don't know. >> reporter: what does she bring to you? >> i would say that -- well, she brings a spirit to us. we have very spirited people. and in all fairness to her, she hates seeing what's happened to the country i guess. >> reporter: so you have a republican nominee here, a month and a half before the election here, who sees the polling and he is frustrated. he claims the 2020 election was stolen from him, and there's a question about the information flow and whether there is anybody barrier within the campaign to people like laura lumer or some of these conspiracy theories like stemming from springfield that make their way to him and that he then goes and repeats on a

national stage in front of 70 million people during a presidential debate. >> yeah. i'm going to ask another version of this. you hit -- having laura lumer on the plane with him, i wonder would laura lumer get on the plane with him, would she be able to get past people in the campaign three months ago when it was susie wiles and chris lacaveda who were at the top? he let people in from 2016, 2015, that he fired then that were on the outskirts and were trying to get back in. he's let some of those folks back into the campaign now. and is it because they're back that suddenly people like laura lumer now have more unimpeded access to donald trump? am i being way too generous? >> i assume you're referring to one of those people, of course, as corey lewandowski, his first campaign manager, you and i both covered in 2015, 2016, was fired, and then has sort of been in and out of his orbit ever

since. one thing that's striking about these people coming back in is it is a reflection that discipline that was really the first time we saw sustained discipline from any sort of trump political operation was this cycle in 2024, that that has relaxed and that has loosened. these are people, corey lewandowski, laura lumer, who most of the other people in that orbit, at least the other professionals, what we think of as political professionals, do not want in. they are sort of security blankets and especially corey creatures of the president, almost a buddy comedy and he's playing lindsey graham to trump's john mccain just flying around with him, same with laura lumer. it's also a reflection if you look at trump's behavior recently and what we know about these people and the chaos they often sow in his orbit, that he is falling back on some of his

bad habits. again, those bad habits in 2016 did not keep him from the presidency. in 2020, they did. but they're certainly bad habits that all the professionals think are not going to be helpful for him to win in november with about seven weeks left. >> i wonder because when you hear donald trump double down on these things and say double down although i'll roll my eyes at that term because double down feels overused. when he leans into these controversies, david, the question is why. and why when he's leaning into things like migrants eating pets or the "access hollywood" tape or megyn kelly had her period and that's why she was so mean to me or john mccain isn't a war hero, all these things that would have at another time been political suicide, just saying it once, you would try to distance yourself for that. instead he goes right at it. why does he keep doing it? part of the reason back in 2015 and 2016 and up until now maybe was that his base loved it. they loved the idea that when

everybody got mad at donald trump, the media, the elites, you know, the democrats, or people in the establishment, this is what they would call everybody who would get upset about it. if they're upset or offended about it, they would think great, you're owning the libs, making them cry, and i love that you're not caring even though you're saying outrageous things, you're fighting for us. is that still the case? after nine years of this, is it still the case that they enjoy that enough to make him want to be president again, to make him be president again? >> there's no question that they still enjoy this. there's absolutely no question. look, manage has embraced this lie. maga has embraced this conspiracy. social media is full of cat memes and dog memes. they're loving this. and the other thing you have to remember is trump loves who he is. this is who he is, and trump loves who he is. and part of his own personal narrative is that he won in 2016

being donald trump, and he feels like in 2020 he was surrounded by people who weren't as loyal to him. you know, mike pence, attorney general barr. like you name all of the people who were trying to hold him back and to restrain him. he resents that bitterly and deeply. and so i think what you're going to see between now and november of this year is just donald trump unleashed in a way that he was in 2015, 2016, when by the way he won. now it's not clear to me that he can get 1% point above that 46% to 47% that has been a ceiling so far. but if it's a 2016 replay, he won't need to. so he does not yet in his mind have compelling reason to believe that this doesn't work. in his mind, he loves this, his base loves this, and he's going to keep doing it. >> i mean, did it with gold star families, the police officer, the one he was talking about that shot ashley babbitt even though he tries to claim he's for law enforcement.

not the law enforcement at the capitol but all the other law enforcement officers out there. david, what about this desire to demonize a group of people even when the town at the center of it, the town itself is saying please, please, please stop? you're making this worse. the father of the son who died, the 11-year-old boy who died is saying please stop doing this, you're making my life hell by bringing it up every day. why is there still that desire to do it? >> trump doesn't care if he's making anyone's life hell, and a whole lot of people in maga actually enjoy making other people's lives hell. this is a sad fact. it's a reality. so whenever maga and by maga i mean the hard-core trump supporters, not all of your trump voters. but whenever maga gets fully engaged in an issue, threats and intimidation follow like night follows day. and so all of this playbook that we're seeing, it's the same playbook we saw in 2020 when he was telling the big lie. and we saw how that culminated.

it's the same playbook he played in 2019 when first impeachment centered around a conspiracy theory, a conspiracy theory that ukraine interfered with the election in 2016, not that russia did. he just does this and does this, and then there's this last element of maga and trump that's really key here -- they never apologize. they will never back away. apologizing is seen as weakness. so again, we're going to just see this and more until november and, sadly, we'll keep seeing it after november if he loses narrowly. >> vaughn, i have a question for you. i haven't been to a trump rally -- vaughn is gone. ashley, have you been to a trump rally lately? >> i am headed to one soon, but i have not been to one in a little while. >> i was going ask because i was going through my book and was just remembering all the stuff around a trump rally, the t-shirts people would wear, the buttons that were out calling hillary clinton the c word, monica lewinsky stuff, i wish hillary married o.j.

all the completely vile, disgusting stuff from 2015 and 2016. i wonder how much of that is on the campaign trail now. so please do go, and tell me. report back. >> i'll report back next week, katy. >> thank you so much. david french, thank you, as well, vaughn, thank you even though we lost you. still ahead, a small ohio town is put in the spotlight with dangerous consequences. the mayor of springfield joins us to talk about what's going on there and how he's just pleading with politicians, donald trump and the rest, to stop it. plus, the man who transformed into donald trump for harris' debate prep joins us. he's out of a job now because donald trump says there will be no more debates. what's he going to do? and boeing already scrutiny for its safety practices has yet another crisis on its hands. what's happening with its workers? we're back in 90 seconds. trains. [whoosh] ♪

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within. we're going to have the largest deportation in the history of our country, and we're going start with springfield and aurora. >> the ohio city at the center of the migrants are eating pets lie are pleading for peace. multiple schools in springfield have been evacuated and closed today following a series of bomb threats around town yesterday. springfield's mayor, rob rue, is calling the threats a, quote, hateful response to immigration in our town. he joined me just a moment ago before donald trump said that if he gets elected he would order mass deportations in springfield. mr. mayor, thank you very much for joining us. i'm going ask the blunt question first. is there anybody in your town that is eating pets? >> let me just say at the outset springfield is a beautiful community, and your pets are safe in springfield, ohio. so no, we do not have any credible reports of that. we made that known publicly, and we are asking people to

understand the reports we share with them that there's no credible evidence of it. >> it must be difficult to try to get that message out and to plead with people not to paint your town that way, not to spread those allegations when they were said on a debate stage with 70 million people watching and the former president running again said it again last night on the rally stage in arizona. is that making it -- is it frustrating to be you right now? >> it's definitely frustrating. i mean, what we need in springfield is we need help, not hate. we need people to believe the best about our community, the best about themselves as citizens there. and we need those that have a national stage, that are -- have a microphone that is having millions and millions of peel, we need them -- people, we need them to understand what their words are doing to cities like springfield, ohio. we are a legacy city, a american city, the 12th largest city in the state of ohio.

and you know, we are a city with resolve. and we work collaboratively to solve problems. and what we need is help. we don't need this misinformation spread like this. >> the memes, the allegations, baseless allegations are now spilling out. you said you've received a number of threats. there was a bomb threat to the town, as well. the schools, they've been closed as i understand it for the past couple days? >> yes. there are schools closed yesterday, and there's been some schools closed today. this is because we're on the national stage, like i am right now, people have responded from everywhere. and you know, we're just receiving -- we're in a spotlight that we don't want to be in the way things are happening in our community. >> are you worried about the safety of the haitian community? >> as a human being, i would be worried about any group that was

painted with a broad brush like this. it's definitely a concern. i would be concerned. and so i have compassion for those that are being painted with such untruths, untruths. you know, when you have an influx of people come into your town over a short period of time, it's going to cause strain and stress on the infrastructure. that's what we've experienced, and we've experienced a culture clash. we have people that don't understand our customs, don't understand the driving customs. i empathize, there is definitely concerns, there's been accidents, deaths that's happened from folks not making good decisions that are immigrants. that has caused a lot of this pain and this vocal hate toward folks. and people -- you know, people are concerned. >> the death that you're talking about is an 11-year-old boy, he was killed after a haitian migrant was driving a van, it veered off into a school bus last year, and the bus crashed.

the 11-year-old boy, one of them, was ejected and died. his father came out just the other day ahead of the debate even and pleaded with people not to make this a political issue, not to make it hate filled. he said he wished his son was killed by a white man and that it was so weird to say that because then he wouldn't be flooded with all of this hate. he wouldn't have to relive the worst day of his life every single day. i feel for that father and the mother right now because this is absolutely everywhere, and it's -- it's because donald trump won't stop repeating it. and j.d. vance won't stop repeating it, and the republicans won't stop perpetuating it. what is going on with our politics? do you have a thought about our politics and where we're headed that this sort of stuff, the human side of it is cast aside and the political advantage of it is put ahead of that?

>> well, you know, i'll speak to nathan clark, the father of aidan. he is a level-headed man. they are very graceful and forgiving people. they're in pain. and when their son has been used on the national spotlight like this, it has caused them greater pain. they are good people. they are not trying to shock the community by saying the statement. they're not trying to -- they maybe are trying to show them the reality of how they feel and what concerns they have. and i would hope if i was -- i would hope that people are listening to that. they weren't there to cause problems. so you know, we need people to pay attention to truths and not spread lies and disinformation. >> you mentioned that the town has experienced some strain because of the number of migrants that have come in. there are others in the town who said it's been beneficial. people who own businesses saying

that they come to work on time every day. they're not dramatic. there's no issues. they're great workers. but again, 20,000 people coming into a town, that's going to -- with a different culture will definitely cause some strain or some discomfort among folks there. is any of this helping that situation, helping your town ease the strain and accommodate the new people and -- and make the people who were already there feel like there's a place for them, as well? >> you know, i'm going to make sure we understand the number we're looking at 12,000 to 15,000. we've said and heard up to 20, but want to make sure that's understood. and you know, the fact is when this strain is put on any city, you're going to have different reactions. that's what we're seeing in springfield. like i said, i empathize with the concern, at the same time yes, do companies hire haitians, yes. do they show up to work and do their job, yes, they do. are they paying rent, yes, they

are. are they buying houses, yes, they are. so these things are happening. but you know, i understand and empathize with citizens who are there. we've had another issue with houses being sold to large llcs that are buying up many, many, many houses and displacing folks that have been paying rent. and then from that move to immigrants because they're paying higher rents, exploiting rents. that's happening in springfield. folks are saying i've been displaced, i've been evicted because i can't pay a higher rent. that's unfair, too. and that's not right. >> yeah. mr. mayor, thank you very much. i'm sorry that your town has to be in the spotlight for something as ugly as this. a rumor as ugly as this. >> springfield is a good place. springfield is a good place. and we are a good city. we're a beautiful town. >> john legend was saying just as much a little bit earlier today of springfield. thank you very much for joining

us. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me on. and just a note here, the haitian migrant population that is in springfield is not here illegally. they have temporary protected status. they are here legally. they have papers and documentation, and they can work legally. so they wouldn't be subject to the mass deportations as donald trump has been selling them unless he revokes the temporary protected status. all right. donald trump is rejecting a debate rematch with kamala harris. what the man who transformed into him for debate prep with the vp has to say about that. first, boeing factory workers hit the picket line today. why they are so upset and what they are demanding of the company that's currently embroiled in quite a bit of controversy now. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ ♪

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he has no plan to replace it. he said -- he said concepts of a plan. oh, you all watched the debate.

concepts. concepts. no actual plan, concepts. >> donald trump says he will not do another presidential debate which means, one, we might not get more on the concepts of his health care plan, and two, that my next guest is out of a job. joining us now former deputy assistant secretary of state and former spokesman for hillary clinton, philippe raynas. he's played the role of donald trump in prepping hillary clinton and vp harris in their debates against him. i'm sorry, buddy. looks like she doesn't need you anymore. >> i don't know about that. my money is on donald trump capitulating and subjecting himself to another debate. >> tell me about what you guys did because the -- the talk is, the consensus is that vp harris was very well prepared to get under his skin, and that she executed it well. she did it. what did you do in debate prep? >> well, first i had never met her. so i think that worked out

pretty well because she had never met donald trump. and look, you're not -- you're not programming people, it's not memorization and, you know -- i have to give credit to karen diamond who ran the process expertly. my part of it was just the left side of the screen which was to try to simulate what he would be like so that you just become accustomed to it. and you know, that was much harder than nine years ago because he is clearly decompensating as compared to that. but the idea being, look, it's a job interview, we've gone through interviews, and you want to answer the questions, you want to put your best foot forward, you want to be professional and presentable and handle any curve balls. usually you don't have another candidate for the job in the room. in this case she had it six feet away, and the guy's got a chainsaw. the only way he can win is by ripping you apart. it becomes a matter of handling this but also so you could speak to this. and this is the important part. and this is what she was able to

do, and she was able to tell the american people why they should hire her. >> do you think that the debate is going to ultimately matter for kamala harris? and i think that you have to put a caveat with harris or an asterisk with her because when he was debating hillary clinton, hillary clinton was very much a known figure. when he was debating joe biden, joe biden was very much a known figure to the american public. kamala harris is not and was not a known figure in the same way to the american public. this is a chance for her to get in front of nearly 70 million people. do you think that this debate, this last one, is actually going to matter? >> if this debate doesn't matter, i don't know what debate would. it was exactly -- you hit the nail on the head. people want to know her better. and when they get to know her better, when they learn more, they like her better. and that's exactly what donald trump put it -- it's also again with the -- you know, the one-two punch. you are trying to help people get to know you, but you also

have to remind people that this guy was president, you would never know it listening to him, you would think that he's still a businessman who's never been in politics. he acts like he doesn't have a record and a record that was failing, whether it was immigration, the economy, et cetera. you know, she did a fantastic job of reminding people that he had a record. they inherited his record, his problems. and there's a reason why he was fired. he may not like to hear that or acknowledge it or admit it, but that's the truth of the matter. she pulled off a lot that day, and i have to say she is a game day player. again, i didn't know her before five weeks ago, and she put on a clinic, and from my perspective i'm a ball machine, the ball machine if you want to test your forehand, you point it that way, the backhand, that way. if you want to? will a crazy malfunctioning ball machine you have it spew balls every which way which is what we

saw, which should be very sobering to everyone who has this odd positive memory or reminisces of the trump administration. that person should not be president, and tranqly, i don't know how we -- frankly, i don't know how we survived four years of him being president. >> let me play a few moments from the debate. >> kamala harris. let's have a good debate. >> good to see you. >> i'm going to do something unusual and zin right is you to attend one of -- invite you to attend one of donald trump's rallies because it's an interesting thing to watch. what you will notice is people start leaving his rallies early out of exhaustion and boredom. >> in springfield they're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats, they're eating -- they're eating the pets of the people that live there. >> talk about extreme. what the wharton school has said is donald trump's plan would actually explode the deficit.

and this former president as president invited them to camp david. donald trump was fired by 81 million people. so let's be clear about that, and clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that. >> did you bring up pets eating or migrants eating pets in debate prep? were you -- >> there's very little she was not familiar with. again, you want them to be accustomed to whatever maniacal malfunctioning nonsense is coming out of him. look, it's interesting to note that, look, if you wanted to bite once or twice early on, that's fine. the fact that he was incapable of recovering and saying, look, that's not true, my rallies are fantastic, i'm happy if you want to come, we can debate there. but here's what i think about the economy. he's incapable of doing that.

and to go down that rabbit hole at minute 70 as easily as minute 11, that really shows what's going on with him. and frankly, it's been nine years, and i'm aged. but trying to imitate him and watching all the tape and the rallies and interviews and all these press conferences, there is something going on there. his language has just gotten very different. i think it's easy to forget because he's never made a whole lot of sense and never been particularly coherent, but there is something noticeably different. it's been choppier, the train of thought is clearly going -- when joe biden, if we're going to play this game, when joe biden was 78, people didn't think twice. and it wasn't until this year where people were getting concerned and setting aside whether they should. donald trump is 78. he's going to be the oldest president. so you know, if people don't want to be in that same situation, they need take this very seriously. >> i was having a conversation

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right now, british prime minister sir keir starmer is in washington to discuss the future of the war in ukraine with president biden. the two will hold a bilateral meeting in the next hour, as they consider easing restrictions on ukraine's use of long-range weapons, weapons that were provided by western allies. but lifting those restrictions would mean crossing russia's red line. and president vladimir putin warns any change in policy would put the united states, quote, at war with russia. joining us now, nbc news white house correspondent monica alba. so, how is the white house weighing that threat from vladimir putin? >> and look, katy, we have talked about this many times throughout the course of this war. and the biden administration has shifted its policy at times when it comes to long range missiles.

there's atacms, which we've talked about before. there's also different kinds of missiles other countries can supply to ukraine, something called storm shadow missiles, which are comprised of some parts that are made in the united states. that is something we know the british prime minister is going to be discussing with president biden specifically because he would want u.s. sign-off, if, something the brits and the french would go forward with in terms of green lighting the use of these weapons for going deeper into russian territory. which at some point in the war was considered off limits or considered something that the u.s. would not condone. then it was allowed and it did provide some of these atacms, these longer-range missiles to go just basically up to the border and in closer range between ukraine and russia. but the u.s. also really has a limited supply specifically of these weapons. so, they are saying today that there won't be a final decision

or a change in u.s. policy. but, again, a couple of months back, when some of this shifted, these were things that were done a bit more behind the scenes. obviously there's a lot of conversations that go on between the white house and the pentagon and allies overseas in terms of coordinating this. but since you have russian president putin saying that if this were a step that the u.s. allies were to take, this would mean there would be all-out war potentially between nato and moscow. that is how putin put it. of course, this is something where the u.s. and president biden are going to tread lightly. and they want to make sure that they aren't escalating to that kind of a point. that has been a priority as well. so, i think you can expect to see president biden and the british prime minister discuss this in their private meeting. and then there may not be something that comes out as a result immediately, but i wouldn't be surprised if we do see some kind of change, perhaps, on this front in the coming days and weeks, katy. >> we'll watch out. monica alba, thank you very

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last month, the trump campaign said they were hacked. a few weeks later, federal officials determined iran was behind it. now, two law enforcement officials tell nbc news the justice department is preparing to file criminal charges. joining us now, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. so, who against, ken? >> unclear, katy. but we understand they're focusing on the person or persons who tried to peddle this stolen information from the trump campaign to various news organizations. it seems likely those people are overseas, so they will be outside the reach of american justice. but the doj has a habit of making name and shame cases to send a message to foreign adversaries that this kind of

behavior at least will be outed. we all remember the hack and dump campaign in 2016, where the russians stole all those democratic emails and put them out in the public domain. that appears to be the playbook the iranians were following here. so far they haven't released anything. we haven't seen any of the information they stole from the trump campaign. but nonetheless is doj is closing in on charging individuals. >> do you have a sense of timing on this? >> in the few days. we're looking at next week action i believe. >> the trump campaign had been saying that iran was behind this, or that they were hacked. do we have any more details about whatwere able to get into? >> yeah. and the fbi agrees. the fbi has attributed this to iran and has said that iran actually wants trump to lose the election, by contrast the intelligence community has said russia would like trump to win the election. we don't know very much about what was taken. it's been publicly reported that one of the things offered to news organizations was an internal trump campaign dossier

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