possibility of parole. >> the only way he leaves prison is in a pine box. on the day escoto was found guilty, the family went to the cemetery to visit wendy. they sat on her grave and talk to her. >> i kind of sat back and felt that i could breathe for the first time in so long. i felt that she was finally at. she can rest now. >> rest for wendy, the kind of a young woman who loved animals and enjoyed playing dress-up, and who fatally married a stranger, until death he did part. that is all for this edition of "dateline." on craig melvin, thank you for watching. watching. good morning, welcome to the saturday edition of "morning joe weekend. " it was an important and busy

week. let's get to some of the conversations you might have missed. >> let's talk about the debate. in your latest piece you write quote, the most important thing i saw kamala harris who was pre- blocking, not debunking, was waiting for someone to lie, and hit back with the truth. it is not working politics as much as you would hope it would in saturated lies, but free bunking is explain to people how they are being, or better yet will be related, what the motive is, how the con works, how the lie will be crafted and will function, and for extra credit, who benefits from it and how. in the age of trump, too any of his appointments have been debunked and no prebunked . and she said it at the outset, she said, let me say, you will hear a whole bunch of lies. and as he rolled them out, she explained why they were lies. >> we have talked about one of the most interesting stories about the ascension of kamala harris at the top of this ticket is that she has brought

with her a lot of new thinking that has been circulating in the conversations for the democratic party about how to run campaigns and i think she is elevated. one of these things is prebunking. it simply does not work to backcheck donald trump. journalists should do it, but his lies it just does not reach people when you say, no, actually, this was the crowded size, no, actually this happened on january 6th. if you explain, as the clip showed what this prebunking kind of tells you to do, to explain why this is happening, how this is happening, and she did it several times. she did it about foreign autocrats. if you're hearing on autocrats say nice things about this guy, your wife. it is because he is amenable to flattery and favors. >> and anyone that would praise autocrats, specifically victor or barn. >> and this kind of research about by this works against lies and disinformation, is that it works a little like vaccines homages to inflame the

right even more, and that actually kind of by exposing people in advance to a little of what is about to, you prepare them better than when they hear it. they are more kind of careful about kind of immediately believing it. i thought that was a very interesting thing she did at multiple times throughout that night. >> and mike barnicle brings up such a good point. it was a brilliant tactic. as a lawyer, she has been a lawyer, obviously, prosecutor, attorney general, it is what lawyers off due to juries. you reported on a lot of trials in boston, and what does defense counsel always the? they will get up and say, you will hear from the state, abc d , and they are going to tell you 1, 2, 3, 4. let me tell you why they are wrong.

and he is so right. kamala harris planted that in people's minds saying, watch out , this is what you are going to get. sure enough, donald trump did not disappoint. that is the antithesis of those 16 republicans staying on the stage in 2016 and everyone else that had to to one life, after another lie, after the horse had already left the barn, as they would say. >> in addition to everything you just said in your apt description of who she is, former prosecutor, and her behavior and command of the situation the other evening, she was also, for all practical purposes, an incumbent standing on the stage against donald trump. he was a challenger. brushing off the challenger with facts, even before the debate begins, i think changed and altered everything that evening, from the handshake that she walked across the stage to give to him, which

probably threw them off a little, we don't know for sure, but probably threw him off his game a bit, but then going right after him such command, command of the stage, her command presence, and the way she went after him, that was bullying, it is over before it began. >> mark mccann, yesterday, you and bob headed back and forth where you both agreed that kamala harris's debate performance as it republican and a democrat who had-- who had prepared presidents for several debates, or presidential candidates for several debates, you said, it was one of the best you have ever seen. and trump said, going back to jfk in the 1960s, the best he had seen. >> jfk in 1960 and ronald reagan in 1980. neil caputo from fox said, at the top of your >>, she was ready, he was not, which was obvious. what is not

obvious is just how hard that is to do. it takes incredible preparation. people may be more natural indicators, no one is a born, natural debater. it takes intense preparation. if you try to wing it like donald trump did, or barack obama or judge george bush did in their incumbent relax, you get your ass kicks, like donald trump did. she controlled herself, she was relax, confident she looked presidential. she commanded the late screen, which is a real talent. you've got to learn how to do that. it is amazing. she looked like she was having a day at the beach in the sun he looked like he was in a hailstorm in the freezing cold. not only did she troll trump incredibly, but she also trolled him with a pivot. and on a weak spot like immigration. she turns it and takes on trump. nothing that is important to recognize too, joe, is that, people say, presidents don't

ever debate, they are not thrown into a situation where cameras are on, you have 30 seconds, but they are asked to prepare for highly intense situations like dealing with a foreign leader. so she has shown, she is willing to put in work and do the preparation. one last point, this is kind of inside baseball, but you have got to give a shout out to karen donnell, hall of fame like bob strohm, the best in the business in preparation. i am a shallow media guy, i did some stuff around the edges me but there are people who do the really hard work, organizing, making sure they are prepared for everything, and i heard from a reliable source that not only did she do that, she did at the same time she was preparing for a major law firm, for a major trial for a major company the same week.>> jonathan martin, news coming in about former attorney general alberto gonzales, the ag to former president george w. was, just posted an endorsement in "political" for kamala harris.

not exactly a group of liberal squishes here. he's making-- [ laughter ] he makes a long and detailed critique of donald trump, his lack of respect for his rule of law, his affinity for authoritarianism, and he believes kamala harris will uphold those things. >> i am looking over to the bernie sanders and dick cheney retreat at camp david asked her where they will block the first kamala harris term. i think that will be an interesting tell. i think there will be a lot more people who come out from the kind of bush orbit. guys, the big question is, the former president himself, george w. bush, is the most prominent american figure who has not been accounted for yet on the great question of our time, is trump for or against him, because he is trying to pull option c, and frankly, there is not an option c. it is

hard to sustain that, but it looks like he will try here for one more term. if you are george w. bush, and you see donald trump stand up on stage and you say, there is something new called migrant crime. and george w. bush ran a campaign famously, as joe knows, where he said, family values do not stop at the rio grande. he was trying to reorient his party around a different approach when it came to migration. berkeley, the hispanic community. for george w. bush to i think see what donald trump is doing, which is effectively make his entire campaign about demagogy immigrants come and stay silent , i think has got to be difficult. i know why he wanted to stay out of it, but i think it has got to be tough for the former president, given where his heart is on those issues to stay out of this game. again, that is the center piece of the campaign, haitians are eating dogs in an american city , all the crime is being caused by migrant. nevermind the facts.

that is the centerpiece of the truck campaign, really the gop campaign this fall, bashing immigrants. that is not what those folks signed up for in austin. and i think it has got to be hard for them now. we have lots more to get to this hour. "morning joe weekends" continues after a short break. . to help reverse the 4 signs of early gum disease a toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts. [introspective music] recipes. recipes written by hand and lost to time. are now being analyzed and restored using the power of dell ai. ♪ ♪ that colonoscopy for getting screened ♪ ♪ is why i'm delaying ♪ ♪ i heard i had a choice ♪ ♪ i know the name, that's what i'm saying ♪ -cologuard®? -cologuard. cologuard! -screen for colon cancer. -at home, like you want.

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welcome back to "morning joe weekend." let's pick back up on the conversation we were just having before the break. we talked a lot this morning about republicans and their second guessing as to how trump handled this debate and the word that has come with it. let's go to the other side now and talk about vice president harris with her team previewing for some of us yesterday with what she plans to do. the next underground states were begins in north carolina. today, tomorrow, she will start sitting for more interviews, perhaps local affiliates, rather than national ones.

we will see her blanketing the battleground states. what is your assessment of what you think she needs done? is there anything she did not accomplish tuesday she still needs to? >> i think she still needs to tell the story of what she would do as president, put more meat on the bone. i think the immediate decision after the debate, the call for a second debate by the harris campaign was two things, an acknowledgment that they had a good debate and want to do it again, but god, it was also a concession that she still has work to do to introduce herself and outline her agenda to the american altar voter, which i don't think she has fully done yet, and partly, she just became the nominee have an hour ago, but there is still work to be done. i do think they have to be much more open about access to her. what are they afraid of at this point? she had a great speech at the convention, obviously met the moment at the debate. at some point, it reflects a lack of confidence in the candidate if you're not letting the candidate do any real interviews or ropelike

conversations at all here, and everything is constrained and under control. one more thing, the more interviews you do, one passing gap or mistake in an interview is not going to be as damaging- - if there is five more the next day. guys, take up the restraints and free kamala. >> we will see if they take that advice. given how terrible donald trump performed in the debate, how well can matt harris performed, all of the things we are seeing, donald trump yesterday, by the way we mentioned it briefly, about a 9/11 trooper to eight 9/11 event. she is traveling on the plane, unspeakable racist and conspiracy theorist, all of that is in the student and yet, we know this is down to the wire again. how do we see this playing out between now and election day. >> that is the key fact here. you can have a commanding performance. you can have a night like that, a month of extraordinary vibes,

like she had, and this is still a country where roughly half of the people are staring openly at a movement that is antidemocratic, that flirts with fascism, that talks about dictatorship. about half of americans i think at this point would, some with clear eyes, knowing what they are choosing are saying, yeah, that. she had a great night, an extraordinary night, she had a great summer. i think now, as they say all the time, there is a lot of room to grow. still, they need to translate all of this, the taylor swift of it all also, into a real movement that attracts even more people, that revs up their own people to vote and creates a real passion. she has done a great job doing it. i agree with jonathan, getting out and talking with the media. by the way, us in the media sometimes, there are aspects and makes and stuff, she does

not have to talk to those folks. sit with them where he will talk to you for 2 hours, go to these podcasts, where people sit for 3 hours and actually going to be stuff. i think there is an opportunity to have bold, policy vision that is not just walking, but actually thrilling where people can say, wow, i can have this this time next year, if you do that, i think she still has an opportunity to tell a story that connects her biography to the larger american story in the way that barack obama did. it is not just being a middle- class candidate. she has done little bits of it, what would you think of what happened with obama in 2008, it was a weaving of self biography into a 400 year american story in a way that everyone else felt, if i do this thing, i am redeeming the country. she needs to still find that story and i think it is in there if she wants it. >> you know, i always talk about the need for us to figure

out a way forward, to figure out how to be, after this election, if donald trump-- to remember those that supported donald trump, the words of lincoln during the civil war, with 607,000 people died because of the actions of the confederacy, but why did lincoln say, with malice toward none. so, i got said. i'm glad that joe biden went and showed people what that grace is like with the trump supporter in pennsylvania. a lot of people might not like what he did. i liked what he did. i like what it said. one america, let's work through this. all of that, let's put that

right here. now, let's go over here and i want to follow up with something you said. even if kamala harris wins, even if she wins in an electoral landslide, the morning after the election, we will be seeing close to 80 million americans endorsing donald trump's view of america. donald trump's autocratic view of america. donald trump, the only foreign leader that donald trump could say embraced him was viktor orban, who was bright about destroying western democracy. donald trump, who said, he refused to say, i want ukraine to push back putin's russian invaders. then he said, he would terminate the constitution. a man who said, he would be a dictator from day one, the man who says that black immigrants eat pets. the man who has said,

used fascist terms time and time again. i have not even gotten to january 6. we could go on and on. i could do it for 3 hours. the question is, and it is something i'm grappling with now , how do we put our arms around the fact that even if harris wins, we will wake up the morning after with close to 80 million people endorsing donald trump's antidemocratic view of america? >> i deeply agree with that. the problem with the election is, it is so important and there is a deadline that everybody is always focusing on the immediate thing. and what you described, in some ways, the real work, as you say, we have a technology for getting rid of bad leaders, and it is called elections. if you have 80 million people who have now had eight or nine years of exposure to the authoritarian offerings of donald trump, this

is not a new thing. they have seen the ups, they have seen the downs here they've had him as president. they have kicked the tires and gone for a very long test drive. if at the end of that long, nine your art, we are essentially still not a country where 80 million people want authoritarianism. coming up, the latest misinformation being spread by the maga faithful about haitian immigrants . we will get into it after a short period you're watching "morning joe weekend." honey... but the gains are pumping!

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a random person in this local group posted their neighbor's daughter's friends had lost their account, claiming, haitians used the pet for food. a facebook post was shared on the x by conservative and racked up 3 million views in 24 hours. the false claim then spread by other prominent supporters of donald trump, including elon musk. >> this is like what is trending yesterday. it was major news. >> as he stated, as a matter of fact. also, senator ted cruz, and republican congressman jim jordan of ohio. this is congressional leadership amplifying this. and then, trump's running mate, j.d. vance, posted yesterday about haitian immigrants me calling them illegal, echoing the false claims about pets being abducted and eaten. i'm not making this up. springfield ohio police said in a statement, there are no credible reports of patient immigrants harming pets. the city posted a statement saying,

haitians are in the united states legally under a humanitarian program. >> and members of the trump family were tweeting this like, look, look what is happening, you have to vote for donald trump. >> to joe's point earlier, this is the kind of stuff that would not that long ago would pop up in the dark, owners of the internet and be snuffed out so mouth breather's talk about it amongst themselves. now, you have got elon musk, and he has risen to the top of the presidential ticket, and j.d. vance clearly amplifying something, the washington post debunking this. the photograph they are using is not from springfield. the person is not haitian, on and on. >> i think the danger of this is to allow us to continue to mainstream stuff that used to just be looked at as some craziness on the outside of any serious consideration of what is going on. and don't miss the racial angle here. haitians.

>> illegal. >> and j.d. vance, particularly zeroing in on haitian immigrants. and i think that this goes to blacks are cannibals. we eat each other . it ties into all of that history of racism, which is a part of what donald trump has appealed to since charlottesville, since brother is a. when you hear kamala harris say, that is the old playbook, that is a part of the old playbook of grace. not just immigrants, haitian immigrants even your pet, eating your animals, because you know they are cannibals and we can't miss it. >> i mean can't be more right about this. it is not race, others, immigrations. these scare tactics. we have seen it in other trump campaign propaganda they have put out where they suggested, do you want this america, or this america? they show a city ravaged by crime and all the faces are

nonwhite. most of the places of a idyllic suburban setting with white people. that is what goes on as he of course faces a nonwhite opponent. >> there used to be a floor or a barrier where certain people would not amplify something that is demonstrably not true. it used to be something the world's second or third richest man was an important figure in our culture and our world would not amplify this, certainly, a presidential ticket would not amplify it. those days are gone. >> long gone. and as we have said, this happens every two years. preposterous claims. caravans always coming at election time. donald trump sending troops down to the border in 2018, thinking it would help him politically, it didn't. it just kept people in the military away from their families and away from the basis through is giving. before it was leprosy, now they

are talking about eating pets. and they made it-- it is just all a lie. these people, as the town said, they are not illegal immigrants , they are here legally. >> a few of the important tex- mex, one is springfield, ohio, a time where we have seen an influx of patient migrants from the south because jobs are coming back to springfield, ohio of the industrial is prospering under biden. all of these people are coming to a small town and it has been disrupting some social services. for instance, government officials are trying to figure out what to do with the school and policing. the second thing, there was one cat eating incidents in canton, ohio, 130 miles away, not involving a haitian immigrant. the third thing, anyone who has spent time in haiti, i have, and anyone who has spent time with haitian americans knows, this is a constant thing that shadows them. a racial trope about haitians, they are witch doctors, they

eat animals they are dangerous. the difference here, joe, between past warnings about caravans for instance, in that case, the people were not here already. in this case, the haitian migrants are here. when j.d. vance, trump's campaign, and others are doing, they are putting a spotlight on a fairly vulnerable community in ohio and telling us, look at these people. they are here, not only taking our jobs, they are taking your pets and eating them. it is not hard to see a few steps down the road that leads to something pretty bad. >> the remarkable thing about america, compared to europe, is the way immigrants get integrated into communities. this makes me think of a situation in france and italy, we have migrants living in almost get out ghetto type situations where they have no contact with the community, deliberately otherwise and pushed out. and yet, economic study after economic study shows us the reason the united states has done so well compared to other

european countries since covid is because of the influx of migrants into the country. it is those haitian immigrants who have helped the rejuvenation of springfield, ohio by boosting the economic output of that area. >> and again, just a follow-up of more anti-immigration nonsense that has been coming from the trump right. we talked about it yesterday. we talked about how bad foreign born workers are for americans. we went down the list of the top industries, not only in silicon valley come about across america that have foreign-born ceos. you look at the tech revolution that started in the 1980s, through the 90s, to now, an overwhelming number of those people, whether you are talking about google, yahoo, or uber you can go down the list, their founders all came from other countries to form these companies that i've been seeing this 20, 30 years with people freaking out about immigrants coming to america. even immigrants that are

getting degrees, would you rather them go back to new delhi and start a business there? or would you rather them start it in north carolina? that is the choice we have. like tom friedman always said, you get a phd, and somebody that is an integrated immigrant, stable a green card to the back of the diploma and say, please, stay here, work, start businesses me build our economy. that is what has happened. and the person who knows this the most, the guy who has a singular obsession with cats first talking about childless cat ladies, now talking about the eating of cats, j.d. vance knows better than anybody else the contributions immigrants have made to this country, the immeasurable contributions. he worked with them for years in silicon valley , and got rich doing it. up next, former u.s.

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abroad. according to the nc officials, there are 1.6 million americans living overseas who are eligible to vote in seven underground states here is one example that shows just how critical this voting block is. in 2020, president biden won georgia by 11,700 votes according to the election assistance committee. there were over 18,000 ballots cast from overseas voters registered in georgia. joining us now, former ambassador to canada, bruce heyman, he recently participated in a meeting called, americans abroad for harris-walz, and all third an op-ed on msnbc.com titled, "how americans living abroad could decide the 2024 election."

it is good to have you back on the show, mr. ambassador. how did you get the word out to americans living abroad? what is the challenge here? >> the challenge is, many americans don't realize they can vote when they are living abroad. and when they realize they can, they don't know how. do they call mom and dad back at home and say, how do i do this, get me an absentee ballot? this is protected by federal law. this federal law has been established by all 50 states that americans living anywhere in the world have the right to vote, and all they have to do is go to vote from abroad.org, registered to vote, and get your ballot. those ballots are by low law sent out 45 days before election. those ballots will be heading out in less than two weeks. so, right now, i am just saying , this is it. this is the opportunity. how do we get the word out? we do it on your show we have influencers like nancy pelosi promoting this very strongly. we have social media influencers, actors, actresses. we had over 60 actors,

actresses, artisans, social media influencers, politics last week on this call with tens of thousands of participants in well over 1000 ballots being requested even during the call itself. this is the opportunity. as you mentioned, we won at the margin arizona georgia. all you have to do is go to vote from abroad.org if you are an american overseas, or in the u.s. and you know someone studying abroad this fraud fall, traveling or doing business overseas, this is your shot right now, it is really important. >> mr. ambassador, i would assume, not to paint with a broad brush, americans living overseas, might have certain issues that matter to them that might be a little different than back home. will the pitch be tailor-made to those that for instance really care about american alliances abroad? >> you are absolutely right. so, an american walking on the streets of pittsburgh has a very different perspective in some ways than the american walking on the streets of

warsaw. it may very well be that when you mention to somebody in europe that nato is at threat because of donald trump and we have to do something to protect the european continent, you say that in pittsburgh, i think the focus may be on much more things that affect them at home and the economy. so, foreign-policy is a huge issue. and i think it is a strength for the vice president in this race. donald trump has already threatened nato, he has threatened ukraine. he is really threatened the multilateral approach the u.s. has had since world war ii. he is a go at it alone kind of guy and i have gone out on a limb here with the canadians, saying, this is your tsunami warning. if donald trump is selected, you will be under deep threat specifically. >> ambassador, on another note, i'm curious your thoughts on this. i was randomly watching

fox news friday evening, just a random 12 minutes, and they cited data from the bureau of labor statistics that showed foreign-born employment in the u.s. over the past year was up by 1.2 million this was said in a negative way, while nativeborn employment was done by 1.3 way. the host connected those numbers to the group of 88 high-profile current and former business executives who issued a joint letter, endorsing vice president harris earlier that day. you are a part of that letter. the host said in part this, over the past year, under biden- harris, native-born employment in the united states decreased by 1.3 million jobs, but foreign-born employment increased by 1.24 million. it's not a shock at all that these ceos came out today from big corporations and endorsed

kamala harris. they are not coming out to endorse kamala harris because they want higher wages for american workers, they want a never ending stream of migrants to come in and take those jobs and keep wages down. so, ambassador heyman, former managing director of private wealth at goldman sachs . you signed the letter, this is the list of people who signed it. you along with roger altman, jeff utz, michael blumenthal, the 64 u.s. secretary of treasury, and the former ceo of bendixen unisys, ursula burns, rosalind bulger, ken chennault, former ceo of american express and the chairman and managing director of general catalyst, mark cuban is on the list, logan green, reid hoffman, it goes on. is it fair to say what was said here, that you all are

not coming out to endorse kamala harris because you want higher wages for american workers, you want a never ending stream of migrants to come in and take those jobs and keep the wages down, is that why you signed the letter q marks >> the business leaders who signed onto this letter, and other business leaders in groups such as leadership now and across america, large and small business alike, recognize donald trump is the greatest threat to the u.s. economy since herbert hoover in 1930. his very specific policies, as illuminated by goldman sachs this last week, would put this country in higher inflation, higher interest rates, and risk a recession. one of those factors, which has been talked about on your show, just over this last segment, is terrace. those tariffs, donald trump is saying very clearly that, oh, someone else will pay them. he is lying to you. if he does that on stage tomorrow, talks about those

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it marked one of the greatest comebacks in rock history a little over 50 years ago. paul mccartney and wings released the album, "band on

the run" in the fall of 1973, hailed by critics as a masterpiece. it was mccartney's fifth solo album after leaving the beatles and went on to sell more than 8 million copies, making it one of the decade's biggest sellers. to this day, it remains mccarthy's most successful album , and the most celebrated of his post beatles work. this morning, joe has a new piece in the atlantic titled, "how paul mccartney ran to the top." in it he shares the details about the fascinating back story of how the album came to be. in the article, joe writes in part quote, it is hard to fathom mccartney, a megastar, who has chartered mort number one songs than any other artist and still packs the world's largest concert venue six decades after the war of beatlemania receded, finding himself lost in the musical wilderness, but in the years

following the beatles breakup in the 1970s, the group's de facto leader suddenly seemed mortal, spending the next few years struggling of sagging album sales, critics, and the open distillery of his bandmates. he wanted a great clean break from his recent past and began searching for an exotic location where he could find inspiration by absorbing the atmosphere, taking in the climate. the location he chose was legos, nigeria. the experience was full of drama . quote, he and linda were attacked by a gang of thieves who stole their demo takes, and the notes intended to guide the making of their album. the next day, studio hands told him they were lucky to have escaped with their lives. mccartney, linda, and guitarist lane made it back to london and

put the finishing touches on their album at air studios. "band on the run" was released on november 30th, 1973. joe, the story is amazing. i had not heard that one. and you told me a lot of beatles stories , given your slight obsession. >> that's bring in people who know more about it. features editor for the style section of "the new york times," and robin sheffield. rob, let's start with you. there is a quote, it is so hard to explain to people that paul mccartney was ever in the musical wilderness, the guy 29, has been a part of 29 number one hits rolling stones had 6, to put it into perspective. he is still selling out concerts, going to australia, new zealand, the biggest venues in south america. people, it is hard to believe

it, but there is a quote that has always stuck out to get into paul mccartney's mindset. his back was against the wall, his wife wants described her husband's mindset going into the recording sessions as a make or break mission. either i give up and cut throat, or i get my magic back. he had been trashed by the critics, trashed by his former bandmates, considered washed up and artistically dead, and he goes to lagos, almost his life, gets rest to the hospital, and he comes back to london, well, with a rock classic. his biggest selling album, the biggest selling album of any beatle post beatles. >> he is a driven man. he had so much to prove after the beatles. like you said, it is hard to believe that paul mccartney would ever feel a burning need to prove himself to people. he was always a competitive with the other beatles. he was

used to having that competition and is still feeling that competition. he still driven, that is why he will be on the road the rest of this year. >> and jim, here are some of the things john lennon said about paul mccartney right after the breakup. and he said it in rolling stone , he said, the first problem was rubbish. he said, the only purpose of the was for paul to show off and watching the movie made john lennon he'll sit here he claims, his fellow bandmates had gotten set up and accused mccartney of leading the group around circles, causing the disintegration, even wrote of course, how do you sleep? he said, a pretty face may last a year or two, but in the end, they will see what you can do. >> linen gave that interview to "rolling stone" magazine. it would often slim mccartney's music and john lennon in general.

they gave a final review of the album and said, it was the best thing by a solo beatle bandmember, and may have been better than that one. even though carney's act is the wall, the song, "on the run" which i think most people will remember, this blast of joy, optimistic, feeling of well- being, something that mccartney, more than other songwriters, were able to do without being sappy, and a beautiful, wide open song. the album also has these rockers what it's like "jet," and" let me roll it. " it has a harsh sound that mccartney plays himself. that is in the lennon style and i think it was an olive branch to lennon, because by the end of 1974, they are close again and were talking about working together. >> and he of course said it with a lennon desk primal

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welcome back to "morning joe: weekend" on this saturday morning. we have a lot more to get to. let's jump into the big stories from last week . host of the cast politics podcast and the host of a podcast on a jewish is here and reporter for the "new york times" jeremy peters joins us. good to have you all. molly, how do you feel, see, hear and read in the days after the debate? donald trump said he won. again, i ask, did he just blurt that out? he was so traumatized by the poor showing or was that planned by his campaign? i don't think anybody with any type of strategic thinking in their brain would wait a week or two before announcing there would not be a third debate. it just looks, well, like exactly what it is.

he lost so bad, he just doesn't want to go back for more. >> yeah. harris is really good at this, right? she is a career prosecutor so she knows how to prosecute a case. what i was impressed by and wondered if she could make the case for herself, too. she was able to make the case against him and the case for herself. you saw she was able to inject these tiny little policy snippets. remember, you don't have a ton of time. she was able to talk about it. sort of the economic and home ownership, she was able to do a lot of these tactfully worded statements. the thing i thought was interesting, she really got him off balance from the handshake and from the handshake, she was able to keep going. she was able to beat him and leave him the time to involve

the thing about his inheritance , the crowd size and get distracted from making a case against her. it was really, really strategic. it was carefully done. i thought it was the kind of three-dimensional chests he is not capable of. >> donny, the contrast, i thin in three moments, i can think of more, actually, there were really striking moments on both sides. these obvious moments really set the contrast for americans, in terms of what they want in a leader. i think about kamala harris inviting people to go to a trump rally, telling them , telling the viewers that you will hear a lot of lies but what you will not hear is anything about you. not one idea. not one plant of what he will do for you. then she talked about her

career in service, and how she always considers herself the kamala harris for the people. when she was representing someone, she didn't care if they were republican or democrat, she never asked. finally, if you needed more, the comment about the eating of pets. >> yeah. um, eating pets will live on. let's go back to his postdebate spin that he won the debate. >> yeah. >> even know morning joe medical correspondent needs to be on today. i wonder if it works this way with him. does he know he lost and he says, okay, i will just lie and

spin it or does he immediately go to, because he can't stand ever losing at anything, does his brain transfixed and he actually believes it? i don't know which one is worse. i am really curious to be inside his head. the other thing to learn interesting i had from our friends on the podcast the other day, we had a debate, they brought up a really interesting point and this may be the reason he doesn't want to debate again. he landed in philadelphia at 6:57, two hours before that. the prep that goes into it, you are just touching down a couple hours before. that shows you the lack of preparation, the lack of seriousness. he will show you how he is doing and i think he is afraid to debate again. he knows he will never put in the prep work. he knows he lost. he knows he will not debate again. i think this will work against him. i really, really due. if i am kamala harris, i just keep beating the drum, he is afraid. >> then there is jeremy peters, who is coming after us. in your new piece, jeremy, entitled pundit said harris won

the debate, undecided voters weren't so sure. you write this, in interviews with undecided voters, many of whom the times has interviewed over the last several months, they acknowledge that ms. harris seemed more presidential than mr. trump and they said she laid out a sweeping vision to fix some of the country's most stubborn problems but they also said she did not seem much different from mr. biden and they wanted change. and most of all, what they wanted to hear, and didn't, was the fine print. voters said they were glad she has a tax and economic plan, but they want to know how it will become law when washington is so polarized. they know she wants to give assistance to first-time homebuyers, but doubt if it is realistic. jeremy, i ask you, is there an answer for donald trump? i guess, i see the questions, i think there was only so much she could do in that debate in order to be as effective as she was.

i agree. there were a lot of questions. of course, i would love to ask kamala harris about her leadership style and her plans and how she plans to execute. are undecided voters saying, i will kind of lien trump here. i don't get it. >> no. i don't think a lot of them are saying they are leaning trump. some of them certainly would but i think the risk the bigger risk for her is that he will stay home. they are not inspired and motivated by her. remember, people don't really know, as we have quoted many voters saying and many democratic strategists, she is famous as vice president, of course, she has very high name

recognition, but she is largely unknown as a candidate and a politician. she was elected to the united states senate in 2018, she has been on the national stage for a long time. she has had, let's not forget, a really truncated campaign period to introduce herself to voters. that is what the next eight weeks are about. that is what you pointed out and is very correct, you can't do in two minutes, in a debate, so there is not can it be, in a way, i think it is almost good for her campaign, they can continue to introduce hurt to -- her to voters who still need to learn who she is in these rallies and these cultural settings. she will have to do more interviews, even though she has done one so far. you know, but there is eight weeks. that is an awful lot of time to convince people. there is a sliver of people, really, that need convincing, that need motivating. that is not unthinkable or undoable for her. this is still a very close race. despite the fact that clearly

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♪♪ welcome back to "morning joe: weekend" and let's pick back up on the conversation we were just having before the break. >> so what's actually interesting here is with so little time, donny, your expertise is really , it's actually relevant to this conversation because it's going to be about branding, really fast and furious. it is going to be about honest

branding. and, if i were the harris campaign, i will ask you if you agree with this or if you have a better idea, i would be focused on the contrast. retribution, anti-democratic values, racism and all the facts to back that up . literally, you could have a some paragraph under each of those that goes on some pages because he served as president and he tried to do a lot of things that were incredibly destructive. he was successful in many ways with january 6th. and then the contrast is, you don't know me that well? lawyer, prosecutor, attorney general for the state of california, senator, vice president, these are the jobs kamala harris held. so doesn't that right there show a contrast that brands them very differently? >> yeah, i couldn't agree with you more. i don't have anything much wiser to say other than, i will put an arrow on top of that. it is all about contrast. with the contrast versus today versus tomorrow, hope versus two period >> despair, sadness versus joy,

and old news versus new news. that is the main contrast you put in there. it is still starting with the candidate with change, the candidate that offers hope wins. i think it is very, very hard, anything, we know who he is and what he stands for. she, on the other hand, what he should have done at the debate, trump, is saying she doesn't have hope and change. he didn't do that. your point about contrast, start it with tomorrow versus yesterday, hope versus despair. >> your latest opinion piece for harris is called trump's routine sexism came back to bite him during the debate. tell us about it. >> it was really interesting that he tried to use her phrase. remember, during the joe biden

and mike pence debate she said i am speaking when she was interrupted. that became her catchphrase, an icon, it is a big thing to come out of a vice presidential debate so trump tried to do it to her. the problem for trump is that women relate to, again, i am sorry about this, but women relate to being interrupted. men don't necessarily do that. so when he said that, this powerful guy, who has been, you know, quite famous for many, many years, it didn't have the

same resonance. he did that a bunch of times where he tried to flip the script on her but in fact, it helped her. she was able to flip the script back. i don't know how she did it on live television. as we all know here, it is very hard. to be able to provide, she was able to do real-time fact checking, too, which i thought was really amazing. she had to do so many things and was really like a ginger rogers dancing, you know, backwards in heels. >> there was one -- >> go ahead. >> i was going to say, something i don't think has gotten enough attention was a line she used about trump being confused, remember? she, when he attacked her using the word old, she has totally flipped the script on this. trump has being -- has been able to proclaim his opponent. now she says he is confused about the facts of the last election. that is starting to become more the conversation nationally about what the differences are between these two people. when you see them on stage together, there is no doubt who is the quicker on her feet and has, you know, more command of the policy and the issues at the top of her head.

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because you get to the essence of all of this and why it is so important. kamala harris, actually, kamala harris has the measure of donald trump. that is actually the headline. she is the first, ed. think about those 60 republicans in 2016, how lost and confused they were debating donald trump. think about hillary clinton when trump came and stood behind her and said george bush turned into al gore, what is wrong with you, man? everybody laughing now. hillary just sat there. she didn't know quite how to react. we just talked about that a good bit. he is always intimidating, blustering, always breaking rules through town halls and debates, et cetera.

the headline says it all, kamala harris has the measure of donald trump, which means he wants no part of her in a second debate. if he is stupid enough to debate her a second time, we know how it will end. >> of course, as we know, joe, he doesn't want to debate her because he has already won and she is desperate because she lost so badly the debate, it is this extraordinary line trump has stuck to sense that. she has the measure of him. you will remember, back to tuesday night, i think the moment where it really started to unravel for trump when she talked about his crowd sizes and invited people to watch them. it doesn't happen that they asked people to ask their constituents to watch their opponent's rallies. that is where trump's head was messed with and he never really went back. his foundational myth, really,

of his presidency, was the size of his inauguration crowd in 2017, something, you know, he said on day one, a direct lie was far bigger than the one obama had. it is his gateway myth, you know, once you sort of go through i've got the largest crowds in history, then all the other myths flow from that. she has the measure of him. she went back to the central part, an issue that, you know, dates back more than 40 years, where he takes out an ad calling for the execution of what turned out to be innocent people. he doubles down on the central path -- central park 5. she managed to nail him on a potentially weak issue, biden's withdrawal from afghanistan,

pointing out it was his plan and getting him to say the bazaar, to me, still a rich choice, the most bizarre bit in the whole race -- debate where he described the leader, completely nonexistent but he chose the one muslim name he can remember. it is like the leader of the taliban and saying, that guy john, who leads the west, that is the kind of wacky direction she sent his head in. she had prepared so well so she knew exactly what would trigger him. it did. she kept doing it. i bet she would relish another debate. >> yeah, certainly to your point, she would welcome that. the professors are criticizing his plan and they tipped their hand about the crowd size thing. should know, earlier that day they featured an ad featuring

barack obama and his dnc speech where he poked fun at trump's crowd size with the hand gesture. in philadelphia, where the debate was being held in west palm beach, the two places where trump would see it that day. they knew that punch was coming and he still couldn't react. i want to go back to this idea of this ecosystem, this small right-wing fever swamp where trump lives where it leads him to say things about eating cats. we talked about it on the show, he, in a rage on twitter, said look what you have done, showing him stuff, you are allowing him to believe this stuff and all it is doing is alienating the actual voters he needs to win. they not only have no idea what he is talking about but they think it makes him look crazy. and then trump in response gets laura loomer, a 9/11 truth or joint trump yesterday on his flight to new york for the ground zero september 11th

memorization. >> he hangs out a lot with her. we can mention other names that are more familiar, although standing once like stephen miller, who has similar worldviews. laura loomer is someone who treated -- tweeted something so racist, so nasty about kamala harris and the white house and call centers taking the calls, if she became president that even marjorie taylor greene asked her to take it down. now if you offend marjorie taylor greene, i don't think that was possible but marjorie taylor greene thinks you have gone too far then that says something. this is the kind of person donald trump is hanging out with. he is hanging out with people who tell him, yes, what you just said about crowd sizes is

true. yes, what you said about you having the greatest economy in world history is true. what we have been hearing about people hanging other peoples pet dogs or abducting their cats, that is true. he is hanging out with people who say yes back to him. i doubt, frankly that crease less evita or susie wiles, who are professional campaign operatives, they have worked on many different republican campaigns, are being listened to very much at all by donald trump. the more we see that, the debate the overnight, the more he will hang himself. >> charlie, the woman that ed and john are mentioning here is a reprehensible racist. she calls herself of proud islamophobic, conspiracy theorist, on everything from 9/11 to school shootings and everything else. this week, which we won't read because it is so deeply ugly,

it gets at kamala harris' heritage, her identity, the fact she is half india. i will leave it there. it gets into the ugliest possible stereotypes about that. this is not a casual relationship. this woman is flying on the plane to debate with donald trump. we should also point out that vice president jd vance is posing and entertaining the idea that churchill was the villain of world war ii and not adolf hitler. these are choices. this is not a retweet of somebody, this is not accepting an endorsement and pretending you don't know the person, this is elevating these people. >> it is extraordinary. laura loomer is not just a bigot, she is a freak . she is at the far edges of the fever swamp, you know, as ed just mentioned. even marjorie taylor greene describes her as racist and

offensive and yet, donald trump is associating with her. these are the kinds of people who have his ear right now. at this moment on the campaign, i mean, think about this. we are less than two months away from the election. donald trump is associating with some of the craziest, weirdest figures on the right. you know, this is kind of the jd vance effect. j.d. vance and donald trump jr., who have decided they want donald trump to be extremely online and you saw that play out during the debate but you are also seeing it play out, you know, throughout this campaign at all of the rallies. in donald trump's head, you have people with the most extreme and bigoted ideas who were feeding him lines and memes and encouraging to go places that no politician in our century and maybe for the last century and a half, have even thought to go. i think this is concerning and times -- terms of this bubble

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america. the exchange is one of the many consequential once discussed in the new book entitled, the highest calling, conversations on the american presidency and its author, david rubenstein, joins us now. he served as deputy assistant of domestic policy and his code chairman and cofounder of the private equity firm the carlyle group. this looks amazing. welcome to the set. i jumped a couple pages. >> at the white house, it is a very famous line at the debate. the truth was the state >> talk about the highest calling, the timing seems quite good. >> i worked in the white house

as a young man. i was a little thinner, i worked with your father, as well. i have spent some time in washington in the last 30 plus years since i left the white house and i got to know some people, including the president. i have written about presidents, i thought it would be interesting to interview some presidents, including president biden and former president trump. i wanted to, from my view, talk about the importance of voting. i wanted people to get to know the president and the candidates and vote. we have 80 million people in this country eligible to vote. the last time we had about 160 million people vote but we have 80 million people who didn't vote. i think our democracy would be stronger if more people voted. >> david, we like that you ring in oreos with your -- orioles with your black and orange tie. everyone is well represented here this morning. you mentioned in your piece with president biden and former president trump, i am curious about the reflections on donald trump. did he have any regrets when you talk to him about any of

his presidency? what else did you glean from that conversation with them. >> about president biden? >> former president trump. >> president trump's interview, i have known him for a while. i did the interview before trial that morning. i spent with an hour on the phone with him. i wasn't physically with him at that time. i don't think he is a person who has a lot of regrets. he is not a person that goes back and says, i am sorry i said this or i am sorry i did this. obviously, he is a person who has admitted to what he believes in and underestimating him is a mistake. i believe he has been underestimated and that is a mistake. i think it would be a mistake to underestimate him now. he is typically one point ahead. it will be a very close election, one way or another. the debate will change a little bit but the debates just reaffirm peoples views, they don't get people to switch parties or things like that.

>> these are such different characters, clintãclinton and bush, biden and trump, are there any consistencies who see that it is different? >> ambition is one. they get there generally by trying to get there. these are people that are smart, hard-working, very focused on what they believe in. i think, for many of these people, they have a level of ambition a lot of us don't really recognize. to say to 330 million americans i am the most qualified to be president of the united states is no small thing. that is what they are really saying. i think "the higher calling", the reason i called it that, i have said tongue in cheek over the years, private equity is the highest calling. it is not as high as being

president of the united states. >> you find in your study that, you know, there are different types of readers, some that have a vision for the world and some that are just driven by their ambition. do you go into that and the difference between what motivated the presidential topics? >> yes. they are all motivated because they believe they have the ability to do something no one else in the country can do, lead the country. some work their way up, some, like trump, come from nowhere but they all have a certain view that they can do something no one else can do. they are all leaders. they want to make the country better. they want to make it better. i think what i tried to do in the book is say read about these presidents, learn about them. if you will make an informed decision, you should know about their campaigns. up next, we will dig into taylor's with's endorsement of kamala harris and impact it is

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instagram post drove 337,000 users to visit vote.gov. donald trump and his running mate, senator jd vance of ohio, reacting now to the news of swift's endorsement of their opponent, vice president harris. >> i was not a taylor swift fan. it was just a question of time. you couldn't, you couldn't possibly endorse biden. you look at him, you couldn't possibly. she is a very liberal person. she has always endorsed a democrat and she will probably pay a price for it. >> look, we admire taylor swift's music but i don't think most americans, whether they are fans of hers are not, will be influenced by a billionaire celebrity that is fundamentally disconnected from the interests and problems of most americans. >> i mean, this is too easy,

this is t-ball. he walks right into it and says a billionaire who is disconnected from the lives of everyday americans. come on, man. come on now. >> you see it. [ laughter ] >> you know, i don't think many new people will be influenced by a billionaire celebrity who i think is disconnected from the interests and the problems of most americans. it is too easy. i will say, you know, i have never, yeah, i grew up listening to key musicians who never supported people i supported and voted for. whatever. i don't expect, i didn't expect the beatles to play at barry goldwater's convention in 1964. [ laughter ] >> whatever. most people do listen to music. usually musicians endorsements don't mean anything. i will say, if there is one

that makes a difference, it would be taylor swift. it would be taylor swift because she has such an extraordinary following, a deep following with people of all ages. i actually do think, you know, her giving her endorsement and getting them out to vote, we see the registration numbers going up. every little bit helps when you need more. we may win by 50,000 votes in michigan or 30,000 votes in wisconsin or, you know, 15,000 votes in pennsylvania, where i think taylor swift is from. every little bit counts. this may be more than just a little bit. >> joe, i find it fascinating because she is just such a cultural icon and has fueled so many economies around the world by just the merit of touring there.

it is hilarious to me that trump thinks he will hurt her business because her business is doing just fine. she is so in demand, people can even afford to go to their concerts. in june, with the lincoln democracy institute, i did some focus groups that actually used a video of taylor swift talking politics with her dad, debating and getting involved and speaking out in the election. it was interesting. it is a way to explore how women talk to the men in their lives. women are so connected under the age of 20, especially, to taylor swift. they relate to her. she is having fun. she is a good role model. you see at her concerts, it is all about going and being kind to each other and having fun. that kind of, you know, kamala harris is doing that. she is having fun. she is way more likable than, you know, a lot of candidates we have had in the past. you hope, you have all those little girls talking to their

dads, who might lean conservative in their little girls are now pressuring them to give it another look. i am interested to see how it turns out. coming up, one of the stars of the sequel to the beloved film "beetlejuice" just joins us on set to talk about it. "morning joe: weekend" will be right back. ♪ ♪ . ♪ ♪ es as a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. and it could wake at any time. think you're not at risk for shingles? it's time to wake up. because shingles could wake up in you. if you're over 50, talk to your doctor or pharmacist about shingles prevention.

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♪♪ when i was a teenager, a demonic spirit tried to terrorize her entire family. i thought he was gone forever until i found this in the attic. don't ever say that name. >> beetlejuice. >> i am serious. if you say it three times, he will appear. >> "beetlejuice". >> the juice is loose. >> i am going to make you so happy. >> that is a look at the new smash hit certified smash hit, "beetlejuice beetlejuice" that comes 36 years after the first movie in the classic franchise. in it, beetlejuice is a demon

who relishes in tormenting the living and returns to torment the familiar faces and new characters. our next guest plays one of the new characters, the great justin theroux. justin, great to see you. >> soma look great to see you, too. >> god, so much to talk about. everybody is excited given what they knew about the first movie but adding you in and a bunch of new characters, this thing has exploded. >> it has gone crazy but we are happy about it. i think for good reason, it is a good film. >> what was your feeling about this when you heard the offer knowing michael keaton is there, knowing the story. >> i did know everyone was going to be there. the question was, is this one of the spinoffs no one wants? no, tim burton is directing it, everyone is coming back for it. with the additional of a few people, me, jennifer and monica, it is a thrill to work on the set and walk onto one of their sets is, ma'am. >> can you describe what it

means and what it looks like and how unique it is but for inside, as an actor, what does that mean? >> god, i don't know what it is, you are depressed when you leave the set because you go on the sets that are so incredible and so well utilized and beautifully made and the details in the props and everything like that. you sort of spend all day working there and when you leave, the world just looks black and white again. you are like, it is back to year. >> justin, tell us about your relationship to beetlejuice. do you remember being a fan of the original? was there pressure? this movie has been so long, there was pressure to get it right again? >> there was pressure. i was most impressed by michael keaton. he is sort of everywhere and nowhere. you know? the first day working with him, i was like, this is, you know, i am coming into a cast that is sort of pre-existing. you just want to sing on the

sink he has them, you don't want to try to make any fancy dance moves. that was immediately dispelled. it was genuinely one of those castes where we all got along. catherine o'hara, just the giggling that would happen on set, anything she did, she might drink a cup of coffee and i would giggle. she is really one of the funniest women in the world. >> it is one of those cases where the follow-up movie lives up to the legacy of the original. >> yeah, better. i know most people, they think it just may be better, which is so hard to do. justin, i want to go back, we really liked what you said before about this, where even the days where you weren't supposed to be working, you wanted to go to the set. we are like, give us more. you want to be on the morning joe set and when you walk out the world, you don't want a blank until the alarm rings again. >> i do feel like that right now. this is fantastic. >> really. 17 years. it is like the willy wonka factory.

>> it really is. [ laughter ] >> 17 years for us, you know, of groundhog day. i want you to talk, if you will, about just sort of the moment of having these great stars all around you and going, man, i cannot believe i am here. coming from you, that is impressive. >> michael has come michael and tim, everybody but those two in particular have so much energy. you know, it is sort of like turning on a fire hose and just watching it, you know, just explode. it is like a fireworks and display. i don't know, it is hard to be impressed, you know, when you have been in the business long enough but this is definitely one of those ones where you thought, you know, just everybody has such a deep bench of talent and writing and even

just the prop masters, we have all these things practically like cgi, there were a lot of rubber guts and goo and claymation and it was just, you know, puppets and this baby puppet i am obsessed with does that sound weird? >> no. when you see the movie, it is terrifying. >> amid, when you take a break, for the record, you are wearing sleeves today. >> i am. >> your shirt. >> yes, i have sleeves on. he said, you know, he was always like, people might not like this movie, michael keaton said, but i will stand beside this movie. the movie is great.

the main thing is, you could, it radiates a bunch of big stars who are not phoning it in. not that they need to, but everybody, honestly, so in love with being there, we all wanted to make each other laugh and we all wanted to have fun but at the same time, there is this incredible, not to get too serious about it but there is an incredible craft from those actors. i am not a sports guy but it is like the chicago bulls when they were the chicago bulls, it is like being on that team. i am definitely not a sports guy. >> it is like getting a touchdown with the baseball. when you do it, you feel great. >> michael keaton is michael jordan is what you are saying. >> everyone is michael jordan. that is it for us this saturday. we are back tomorrow morning at 6:00 eastern for a brand-new episode of "morning joe: weekend" and until then, enjoy the rest of your saturday. ♪ ♪ day. ♪ ♪