spreading that is so insane and so fringe it is hard to imagine anyone could believe it. this one does not involve cats and dogs. they claim that kamala harris and democrats are promoting so- called abortion after birth. that is not a thing. that would be murder. the light is dangerous and it is really in decades of violence by antiabortion extremists who quite abortion, which is healthcare, to murder. i will talk to jasmine crockett about that and more. another hour of velshi begins now . 52 days until election day. since taking over the democratic ticket, chemic harris has sought to play up the differences between herself and donald trump. she successfully did that after her first debate. now she is starting her presidential bid as quote, a new way forward, while trump continues to be stuck in the past. since the debate, the democratic nominee has returned to the campaign trail and shifted her focus back to the campaign trail. yesterday,

harris returned to the all- important state of pennsylvania where she held rallies in a pair of counties that donald trump won in 2016 and 2020. she sat down with a local news station to her first post debate and first solo interview as the democratic nominee. the day before that, she was in north carolina, one of the most purple states on the map. the democrats have only won twice in residential context in the past 50 years, but that often vote democratic in statewide elections in a state that democrats believe is truly in play this year. thomas has also been on the road this week, rallying voters in michigan and wisconsin. meanwhile, other circuits, like the candidate spouses have been on the ground in swing states like arizona and georgia. some, even bigger names are ev about to hit the trail in support of the democratic ticket. nbc news has learned that barack and michelle obama and bill and hillary clinton will soon begin anticipating and campaign events beginning next

week. all of this is a part of the earth campaign's aggressive postdebate strategy to reach and persuade undecided voters, especially in the swing states. they are seeking to capitalize on harris's winning debate performance this week, which was seen by more than 67 million people and has given io her another boost of momentum in the final weeks of the race. during that debate, harris commanded the stage and successfully baited trump into going off on a long, irrelevant tangents about crowd size and other petty topics. she demonstrated how trump's presidential bid is largely a self-serving presidential campaign that exists primarily to boost his own ego. y beyond that, trump should make in one question his competence and ability to hold the most powerful job in the world and another four years. if you're upset about what trump said tuesday night, you are not alone. that is because very little of what he said made sense at all and at this point, it is actually responsible for anyone to pretend like there is a

logic or substance in the things that comes out of his mouth. there is a time for that, by the way. it is called sane washing. sane washing is the act of trying to rationalize statements made by the act of an belligerent. it is an in an effort to sanitize what the belligerent person said to make it seem like you are she said something of value in the middle of a long rant about sharks and electric boats, for example. trump's beaches have grown too erratic and incoherent to ignore the recent months. that was on full display this entire week. at the debate, the republican nominee rattled off about democrats executing babies after they were born, and haitian migrants in springfield, ohio eating people's pets, a racist trope that has been around more than 100 years to dehumanize immigrants and depict them as uncultured and barbaric. but what else is new? trump has quite literally attacked and disparaged a group of vultures in america from the moment he entered politics nine years ago. >> in mexico since its people, they are not sending their n best, they are not sending you, they're not sending you.

they are bringing drugs, they a are bringing crime, they are rapists, and some, i assume, are good people. >> 177% of those jobs are taken by the illegal aliens . and you know who is being hurt the most by millions of people pouring into our country? the black population, and the hispanic population. >> they are taking black jobs and taking hispanic jobs, and you have not seen it yet, but you will see something that will be the worst in our history. >> if anybody i know is jewish and they would vote for kamala over me, they should have their head examined. >> fear mongering is probably the only strategy trump has left. he is using his same old bullying tactics to relevant voters and course his way back to the presidency, because the truth is, he does not have actual policies to present to the american people, just concepts of a plan as he

describes his ideas of healthcare. join ms. s michael cohen, forme personal attorney to donald trump. he holds a podcast, "political be down." he is also host of the youtube program, "the michael cohen show." you came with receives about the number of groups, with the exception of one or two, that donald trump has insulted in his tenure of politics. >> the only two i can think of are white supremacist, as well as evangelical group. short of that, there's not a single group in america, whether it is veterans, firefighters, police officers, blacks, jews, mexicans. i actually bought it . it is the first time being on any show i've actually brought notes with me, but women, asian americans, latinos, i mean we can go on here. muslims, disabled people, native americans, obviously the

haitian immigrants, african nations, handicapped journalists, n puerto ricans, name it. the question i would sort of pose is, why are there any members of these communities that would possibly vote for him , or think that he is the right person for the job of the presidency of the united states of america again? >> is it because he morphed some of these things? he talks about the words of immigrants and the varmint, as he calls it, which is a terrible example, because this has been used around the world with hitler, where you call people something-- to dehumanize them. then, he says, they are taking 100%, 107% of the jobs taken by black people, hispanic people, whatever. >> right, because mathematics is spectacular. >> erhe is getting people again each other. when you say, why would these people support him? it is because it is by design to make someone blame somebody else. >> absolutely. let me ask you this, name one

of the groups, and i will give you specifics. this is not me making it up. this is what he said before the american people about specific groups. pick any one. >> we played one thing where i said in one jewish would vote for mike harris they would need to have their head examined. that is not the first or the worst thing you said about her. >> no, but his comments were one of trump's most egregious marks came in 2019 when he told american jewish voters if you vote for a democrat, you're being very disloyal to jewish people and very disloyal to israel. this of course insinuates that american walz would have dual loyalty , which is a long, long-standing anti- semitic trope. he also ononce said, that the only kind of people i want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes, reinforcing, obviously, the stereotype about jews and money. let's not forget as well about his refusal to denounce people like david duke, or his

comments regarding charlottesville when he turned around and he claimed that e there were good people on both sides, reporting referring to the white supremacist marching with tiki torches thing, jews will not replace us. >> kamala harris is generally speaking, letting donald trump dig his own grave here. she does not tend to lean into this. your point is a valid one. for people who, i don't know, they are not following the news or whatever, and think he is better on inflation or better for this, better for that, how do you message this idea? how do you explain to people-- you've got a list there, 20 or so points of insult he has made two different religious, ethnic, or different groups. >> by speaking out, by having people like yourself invite people like me to this show to speak as an american, regardless of whether it is being jewish, white, black, muslim, christian, makes no difference.

he has insulted every single group. the only way to combat donald trump's foolishness is to just keep talking about it. keep bringing up specifics. there is a whole group of maga that no matter what specifics you bring up to them , doesn't matter. they ignore it. they do not care, they are all in for him. why? because they fall into the same belief system as donald. how many times have you heard all the and me turn around and say, he is racist, sexist, misogynist. >> you pointed out in 2017 when the hurricanes swept through the caribbean and took a number of people in from haiti on humanitarian grounds. >> right. what did he say? he said, why are we taking these aids infested immigrants into our country, when there are people from norway who are looking to come here? it does not take a rocket scientist to understand what he is saying here. they look like him, as opposed to being black. what

information, what empirical data does donald trump have that would suggest that everyone in haiti has a? imagine again what you are doing, to your point before, he is pitting one group of people against another that is all he is doing. it is race baiting. >> on one hand, and kamala harris brought this up in the debate, obviously, he has been doing this for some time with the central part five, and the things he and his father were doing in terms of renting properties. do you think there has been a decline or this has been fully orchestrated because he thinks he might lose the election that this is what he has got left? this is a technique he knows and history has proved around the world that this kind of stuff he does does work? >> this is all he has left. the whole notion of either a concept of a policy you know what that stands for? it means, i have nothing. what he knows is one thing, when he loses accountability is

at his doorstep. i want to bring to your attention, like judge juan mershon set sentencing in the manhattan district attorney criminal for count case i was he witnessing the day before thanksgiving. i just want you to think about that for a quick second, on what the tables around this he country, the conversation, are going to look like. >> right. we are going to take a break because i want to talk about what donald trump is setting the table for about having these conversations around immigrants and the things they are doing. michael cohen, stay with us, we will be right back. right back. ♪♪ citi's industry leading global payments solutions help their clients move money around the world seamlessly in over 180 countries... and help a partner like the world food programme as they provide more than food to people in need. together, citi and the world food programme

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unrelated to the conversation that is holding up government funding, which might result in a government shutdown, because there is a bill that would make it illegal to vote if you are a noncitizen. alert, it is already illegal to vote if you are a noncitizen. it feels like we are laying groundwork for the big life 2.0, donald trump loses, it will be about that whatever kind of immigrants illegally voted in the election, that is why democrats got more votes. >> again, it goes over to his overinflated and fragile ego. he cannot lose. how can he lose to a woman? how can he lose to a black woman? he needs to come up with an excuse in advance, knowing he is going to lose the election. he needs the big life number two in order to keep the greatest going. that is all this is about. >> let's talk about washington. i started my conversation with this. a little over a week ago, you gave a discussion full of economies, economic journalists, and he gave a nonsensical answer to a simple question about childcare. what

was that about? i would've thought he would have raised his game. and then he had reporters that were trying to explain what he actually meant to say. no need to explain what donald trump meant to say, he could do it himself. >> and he did do it himself, he illustrated his lack of childcare and understanding, and terrorists. the reason, i saw this, i am drawn from my past experiences in 2015, 2016, during that election. donald trump is generally a lazy guy. people say, what do you mean? i have seen him go from rally to rally, sure. he gets on his own aircraft, goes into the back, goes to sleep, gets there, wakes up, brushes his hair come up with a little hairspray on, and off to the rally he goes where people are cheering for him. he loved the adulation. he is lazy in the fact that he does not read and he will not prepare. it is like an harris destroyed him in this debate. it is the same thing as it relates to this economic club conversation. he did not

prepare for it at all. >> which he should have, because obviously, questions like that would come. >> that you see the faces of the economists that were there on that panel looking at him saying, seriously? what the hell are you talking about? we asked a very straightforward question, and you got some rambling nonsense, as for the movie "young frankenstein" years ago, it is the ramblings of a lunatic mind. and that is on us. >> it is honest to some degree to make sure this does not happen and to call it out when it happens. you can't just do this. you can just treated as acceptable. you can't say when he is talking about sharks and getting electrocuted, there some reasonable explanation between sharks and getting electrocuted. >> is extremely dangerous. thank god for people like yourself and others on this network, where they refused to allow the same washing to continue. they fight it at every turn. that does not mean you will be able to turn around and to convince the maga supporters,

they are irrelevant. they are in the camp, in the dumpster cult of donald trump, no matter what you do, no matter what you say, no matter how much legitimate proof, evidence that you provide, they don't believe it, they need to sanewash him. that is not mean that there is not enough independence, individuals who have not yet committed to one or the other. those are the people. >> 81 million people voted for by joe biden in the last election. 81 million people did not vote who could have voted. the point is, there is lots of space for people to be convinced of something without having to worry about those people who will never listen to a bad word about donald trump. >> correct. >> and the sanewashing needs to come to an end. let donald trump tell you who he is. he has already made it crystal clear when he talks about, for example, rewriting the constitution. when he talks about being able

to destroy our tripartite system of government to get rid of the executive branch, supreme court, understand, this is to you. he is going to get rid of you as well. we talked about getting rid of the legislative branch and confirming all power to the executive branch, mainly himself, making him-- >> keeps denying he has got anything to do with this. this is written by his people. >> by all of his people. i think two chapters aren't written by people connected to him. it is again another live i donald trump to the american people in order to-- for whatever the reason may be, to be at them. if you wrote this manifesto for america's democracy destruction, own it, take it, he refuses to do that, only because for one reason, he was not being well-received. if that manifesto was well received, he'd be the first one all over it. >> but we can guarantee he has not read it. >> i don't think you read page number one. >> he has heard there is some

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running for president against a dystopian backdrop of forced birth and denial of care, a dangerous and deeply unpopular reality that he owns politically. the difficulty of running with that record is evident in the increasing desperation of the lies he tells about abortion and women's healthcare. when faced with the consequences of empowering brutal antiabortion regimes in red states across the country, he often tells patently absurd absurd lies, claiming everyone wanted roe versus wade to be overturned, including democrats. there is one equally ludicrous line that needs to be developed because of how dangerous it is. by now, you've probably heard donald trump and his accolades talk about what they are calling post birth abortion, claiming that kamala harris and other democrats want to allow, as trump puts it, the execution of babies. this ally, although it sounds so insane and french, it is hard to imagine anyone would believe it, was amplified when trump repeated it at this week's presidential debate. >> you could do abortions in

the seventh month, the eighth month, the ninth month, and probably after birth. just look at the governor, former governor of virginia. the governor of virginia said, we put the baby aside and we determine what we want to do with the baby. being governor before, he said, the baby will be born, and we will decide what to do with the baby. in other words, we will execute the baby. >> what donald trump is describing is murder me not abortion. post birth abortion is not a thing. it is just not a thing. the post birth abortion lie is a deliberate attempt to acquaint actual abortion, which is healthcare, to murder, as a means to stigmatize women who need abortions and the doctors who provide them. you might encounter someone in your own life who believes this dangerous line. i want to get into the details with you. notice that trump mentioned the former credit governor of virginia when he pushed the post birth abortion lie in the presidential debate, adding a

specific detail makes the life seem more credible. trump was referring to ralph northam. in 2019, then governor northam did a radio interview in which he was asked a question about proposed legislation that would loosen restrictions on late- term abortions. he gave a long and somewhat secured his answer that test on the tragic circumstances surrounding the very rare case of late-term abortion. then, he also talked about what would happen if a baby was born with a fetal diagnosis. >> when we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician, by the way. and it is done in cases where there may be severe deformities. there may be a fetus that is nonviable. in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, i can tell you exactly what would happen. the infant would be delivered, the infants would be kept comfortable me the infant would be resuscitated, if that is what the mother and the family

desired, and a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother. >> as his office explained at the time, northam was speaking of two different circumstances, one in which a catastrophic diagnosis or circumstance would cause a patient to need a late- term abortion, which is extremely rare, and done as northam notes, only with the approval of more than one position, and the other is a hypothetical case he addressed if a patient goes into labor and delivers a baby with a fetal diagnosis. in that case, he explained the heartbreaking circumstances such families would face including the very difficult decision around keeping their baby comfortable in their final moments for me or taking extraordinary measures to prolong their life. the antiabortion movement took the interview, twisted it and ran with it, using it to claim that democrats were promoting abortion after birth, or the murder of newborn babies. now, five years later, the same lie is cropping up on the campaign trail. let's look at the facts, a full-term

pregnancy lasts between 39 and 40 weeks. by definition, a late term, or late in pregnancy abortion occurs after 21 weeks of pregnancy, and is extremely rare . according to the center for disease control and prevention, fewer than 1% of abortions occurred at or after 21 weeks of pregnancy. 80.8% of abortions occurred at or before nine weeks of pregnancy, and just 5.7% of abortions occur between 14 and 20 weeks of pregnancy, considered the second trimester. zero abortions are performed after the birth of a baby. it sounds bizarre to have to say that, but in fact, we have been building to this moment for a long time. the antiabortion movement has been painting women that have abortions and the doctors who perform them as murderers for decades. , harassment tactic was defined in personal information about doctors in the form of wanted

posters, other times, they would send letters to a dr.'s neighbors, telling them, there's a killer in your neighborhood. antiabortion activists have been performing what they call rescues. this has involved everything from blocking entrances to abortion clinics and medical centers to harassing patients, doctors, and workers, and even invading the clinics themselves. it has often involved carrying signs and calling patient and staff who enter clinics murderers. in 1994, president bill clinton signed a law that made it a federal crime to physically obstruct interference or use violence, or the threat of violence from preventing someone from obtaining reproductive healthcare. some created buffer zones to keep protesters from getting too close to entrances and the patients. that never stopped antiabortion protesters from showing up with their signs and pitchforks to this day. the 1980s a huge wave of clinic bombers. 29 abortion clinics were bombed across the country in 1984.

according to the national abortion federation, since 1977, there have been 42 bombings and 200 cases of arson at abortion clinics across the united states. over the years, the antiabortion movement that crossed the threshold into straight up murder. the militant wing of the antiabortion movement has committed 11 murders since 1977, according to the national abortion federation. two of the most well-known cases are the murders of dr. george tiller and dr. david gottman. in the 1990s and early 2000's, dr. tiller was a frequent target of violence because he was one of the few physicians at the time who was performing late in pregnancy abortions. his clinic was bombed in 1986. he was shot in 1993, but he survived. in 2009, a man named scott roeder walked into dr. tiller's church during a service where dr. tiller was serving as an usher and shot dr. tiller in the head, killing him. he said he did it to protect babies from being murdered.

the first known abortion provider to be assassinated was dr. david gunn in 1993. the gunman was a member of the antiabortion group, western america, who shot him in the back three times as he entered his clinic in pensacola, florida. in response, risk america released a statement saying, while dr. gunn's murder was quote, unfortunate, defective, a number of mark mothers would have been put at risk and a number of babies would have died as at his hand. in other words, an eye for an eye. for decades, the antiabortion movement has been fighting the violence of anti-extremist among the ranks by equating abortion, which is healthcare, to murder. the rhetoric that donald trump and others on the right are now spewing seamlessly fits into this tiring, yet dangerous strategy. abortion is not murder. abortion is healthcare. the post birth abortion light was designed to justify the brutal regime of forced birth under which millions of american

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all right, before the break , i told you about the dangerous history of a current republican lie about abortion, a subject in which my next guest, jasmine crockett of texas, is familiar with. remember, the case for roe v. wade in the 1970s began in texas and represented crockett's current district. decades later, they dismantled the state by becoming the first to nearby totally imposed abortion. when representative crockett was a state representative, she was directly involved in fighting the county's election loss. is crockett joins me now to talk about this and more. congresswoman, thank you for being here. a lot of things about that debate surprised me, including the brazen lie in of course people eating pets. it is effective. donald trump says this stuff. we can prove all we want. i took eight minutes to prove that is not true, but it works

for some people. >> it does. it is really frustrating, because we have to fight so many just flat out lies . we have been talking about misinformation and disinformation, he knows he is lying . and i appreciate those in social media that have decided to literally make a mockery of him. there were so many memes that came out and said, you know, on that debate stage, we saw a man be aborted 73 years after he was born. like, it's a doesn't happen. we have laws for that. unfortunately, it reminds me of the ignorant that typically leads the republican party. we know that at some time, there was justification for slavery, because they did not truly understand what quote, unquote was making is different , or whatever their justifications were. it is this idea that if i don't understand something, i am then

going to lash out against it, something with our lgbtqia plus immunity. that is one reason as i hit the trail, i was in ohio as ohio was trying to pass their issue, and it did pass, even though they put all of the obstacles in front of it. i said, this is not about whether or not you agree with abortion. and i want people to be comfortable with saying, i don't necessarily agree with abortion, but if you believe in freedom, you should absolutely be on this bandwagon. i'm not asking you to judge me or make decisions for me and my body, that me and my daughter are going to make, but at some point in time, there is some freedom that you hold dear that there will be like to after. until you understand that all of these freedoms are inextricably linked, then you will never end that we are all actually under attack, and that is what we see when we look at the lgbtqia plus immunity, when

we see the attacks on our history, when we see the effects on diversity, equity, and inclusion, it is all linked. when you look at organizations, such as the heritage foundation, you can see they are a common thread in all of its . >> and let's be clear, you are a legislator, a member of the united states congress, yet you and i have different rights over our own bodies. i have greater rights over my bodily autonomy than you as a member of the united states of congress has right of as we speak. >> that is absolutely right. and ali, what is absolutely very frustrating is, people do not understand economic implications as well . educational and negations. i have talked to mothers that have said, you know what, i thought that maybe i should not send my child to go to school down in texas. that was something i had not even thought about. we are looking at potential schools like baylor ut, not necessarily having some of the greatest talent they could have, because

we know there has always been a rape culture on college campuses as well, right ? we know specifically in texas, they ended up with about 26,000 pregnancies as a result of rape the overturning of roe. it is defect that not only are you reducing access to abortion, but you are reducing access to economic opportunities, because if you don't have the educational opportunities, you are potentially not going to be able to maximize your economic opportunities, but more importantly than that, what they are seeing is a trend in a state like to is, that is not to have rights over my body. they also don't believe in labor rights. it is like, you don't really have that many protections if you do get pregnant. i need people to understand that the implications of this are so much greater, and while you may not agree with the decisions a person makes over their body, just understand that this really is about freedom. >> it is not your decisions, it is there decisions. the fight for reproductive rights has had his reenergizing of voters.

we saw katie cox speak out after being denied emergency abortion care. she was featured at the dnc. 10 states now have abortion on the ballot this election, texas unfortunately is not in loaded on that list. how do voters galvanize other voters on this issue? because this may be, and there are a lot of really important issues in this election, this may be the most important because it is really a referendum across the country one, do we have the same rights, or do we not have same rights? >> this is a really good question. i honestly was very nervous that after the dobbs decision came out that basically everybody be like oh well, they took our rights, and it would be over with. what we have seen is an over performance pacifically from democrats, and we have also seen every single state this ballot initiative was actually on the ballot. unfortunately, we are not allowed to put things on the ballot that we want in texas in this way. we have seen these ballot

measures pass, even in space that are considered to be red states. what we know is that this is actually a bipartisan issue. we understand that you know what, this is a problem. this is the biggest form of government we have ever seen, the type of government that decides to delve into my doctors room as well as my uterus. stay out. i don't want the government there. one of the points i made in one of my hearings we had on this issue is, do we need to start talking about viagra? do we need to start out what we are going to do on that >> and that is what it takes. >> no, seriously, exactly, we don't want to talk about that. but nevertheless, i do think this is going to hurt them. we saw in the midterms the democrats over performed. we were supposed to get swept out of the house. now granted, we ended up getting kicked out of the house, but we did not get swept out of the house. and i think they are going to see a similar type of backlash,

especially in florida, where they decided they wanted to do things like let's raise the threshold. now, the threshold is 60%. they have abortion as well as everyone on the ballot. i think those will potentially be galvanizing issues that hopefully may end up getting us a new senator in the state of florida. i do think that the republicans understand that this is a problem. this is why they decided they were going to pull the national abortion ban out of their platform after sitting there for 40 years. they decided to pull it out because they are losing every time they talk about it. and you see donald trump, he can give you a good answer. he does not have an answer, which tells you everything you need to know, america. he will sign the abortion ban . >> and for those -- because i don't want to make anybody read this nonsense, it is 922 pages, there is a plan to make sure those women in this country who still have some excess acess to

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author of important books, but you have really become one of the faces of the discussion about why it is important that these books exist out there. let's start with that. you have talked to us before about your book, "speak,", which explores finding your voice and healing after rape. he wrote a companion to it called, "shout." a memoir that encounters your real experience with sexual assault. talk to me about my access to books like yours are important. >> i appreciate that and i am glad you are feeling better, ali . covid is no fun for anyone. we have come to such a bizarre place in our nation, where any conversation about human sexuality, whether that is a nonfiction book for 11-year- olds about the changes in their body that they go through in pure beauty, or my book, a fictional account about the aftermath of sexual violence, somehow, these have become off- limits. the sad fact is, so many of our fellow citizens have been

victims of sexual violence. and we know because, people have done the research. if we don't talk to our kids in a healthy and appropriate way about sexuality, they grow up learning from violent pornography, or not learning at all. that makes them vulnerable. that is why we have books. stories help us understand the world. for parents who are worried about-- how do i talk to my kids about the things? stories are there to help you. books are there to help you. in his instead, extremists on the right we are trying to push dangerous ignorance on all of us . >> right. the one category into which all of things fall, including talking about changes to your body or sexual assault, or pornography, they all fall under taboo. we just decide, we are not touching taboo, or children should not be exposed to it. how do you have that conversation with people that rape is not pornography?

actual assault, when it happens to you is not pornography, talking about changes to your body, sexuality, gender identity, it is not pornography, it is not filth, it is not obscene. it is stuff that happens people and we have to separate it from pornography and the way we take about these things. >> absolutely. i do know there is a large group of americans out there who if you hear, oh my gosh, there is pornography in the schools, they get upset. if i thought there was actually pornography in the schools, violence, not what children should be seeing, i would be fighting against that too, but these books are being manipulated. they are being manipulated because people know that if you can make someone afraid, you can get their vote, and you can get them to donate to your campaigns. so, instead of having rational conversations within communities , where some family might not want their kids to be reading about sexual violence, or racism , i can disagree with them, but

they have to choose for their children. that is what we used to do. we would let every family choose for themselves. now, this small group of extremists, want to come in and decide for everyone's children. and that is when we get down to it being a first amendment issue. that is why i am participating in the lawsuits in florida and in iowa, because i guess we can talk about this in communities anymore, so we have to go to the court. >> the florida lawsuit includes you and five other prominent authors, four of whom have been featured on the velshi banned book club , six students, two parents against florida education state officials to protect freedom to read and write. that is kind of remarkable. that collective action, in addition to voting, getting out there registering to vote this is your only issue you get out there and vote for me are these court actions a good way to get those book banners a good way to answer for their actions?

>> family, it is the only way. that is not true. on a broad deal, that is the only way. we are seeing an america, school district by school district, including in pennsylvania where i live, school board numbers who kind of snuck onto a school board by not being honest with their vigilance that they support the extremist right-wing vision of america that you see in the book 2025, and we have seen those school board members have been found out and people have voted, and they have voted them out of office. that is what you can with your community, to make sure you're paying attention to your school board races when it comes to state legislation, however, we are trying to talk to all the different state politicians, but the lawsuits are one of the tools that we need. >> thank you so much for being with us. thank you for preparing to be with us last week. we will make it up to you and to all of our velshi banned book club