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right now i am in washington for the congressional black caucus legislative conference while the harris and trump campaigns are fanned out over the battleground states as the presidential campaign enters into its next phase after this week's debate. vice president harris' running mate, governor tim walz is making the stop in superior wisconsin as we speak. trump's vp pick, j.d. vance, was in north carolina earlier today. in the meantime in springfield, ohio, members of the haitian community are scheduled to hold an emergency meeting at this hour after their small town was thrust into the national spotlight. it was at the debate on tuesday night. while more than 67 million

americans tuned into the night, trump claimed without evidence that migrants were eating the town's cats and dogs, repeating races rumors amplified by his right-wing followers, including right wing influencer lower -- laura loomer who has been traveling the trump for days. as a result haitian parents are fearing their children's safeties tonight but after bomb threats shut down the public schools this week and that is where we start the show tonight. with me here in studio as congresswoman chantel brown, democrat of ohio. let us start with the situation in springfield, your home state. the last few years about 20,000 haitians have relocated there, legally.

both the city police department and ohio wildlife authorities have said that there is no evidence to support the claim of animals being abducted or eaten. and yet trump and his supporters have continued to double and triple down on the unfounded rumor. even this morning your senator, j.d. vance, reposted a graphic video of what seems to be cats roasting on a backyard grill. although there is nothing to confirm what is actually happening or when and where it was recorded. what is your reaction, congresswoman? >> thank you for having me, reverend al. as you said it is very racist but this is the same guy whose started the birther movement. this is the same guy as you point out from the convention who wanted to have the exonerated five executed. this is the same guy who has

called african nations in haiti as whole countries. this is not new to us. this is the same old tired playbook as vice president kamala harris said. now we talk about putting more races rumors about haitian people, who are legally here, hard-working. looking to accomplish the same things that you and i are to protect and provide for their families. because these people have no bottom. they have no boundaries. they continue to perpetrate misinformation, disinformation and lies. the victims are usually people that look like me and you. >> i am glad you added people that look like you and me. if you are looking, you do not know that there is between a haitian or trinidad or anyone else that is black. everyone is under siege year. congresswoman, you and i have been contending the congressional black caucus. yesterday, we heard a president biden and haitian americans,

like white house press secretary karine jean-pierre condemn trump's attack on the community. take a listen. >> i want to take a moment to say something like many americans like kareem, a proud haitian-american. a community that is under attack right now. simply wrong. there is no place in america. this has to stop. it has to stop. recognize that this nation would not exist and this letter without the blood, sweat and tears, the germination and contributions of black americans. that is a fact. this place would not exist. >> i am disappointed but not surprised that black political figures are having to respond to these kinds of racist tropes at this stage of the 2024 race. what are your feelings about how low the trump campaign has

been willing to stoop? >> when i think they cannot go lower, they surprised me. what is so important to me as an ohio women, we have a rich history in ohio. like lou stokes who represent our political state very well. carl stokes, my predecessor, marshall fund. the first african american woman from ohio to be elected to congress. we talk about -- we could talk about steve hari, dave chapelle, springfield's own, john legend. kim whitley. here we are talking about donald j. trump and j.d. vance and their continued efforts to try to disparage, disrespect, dehumanize, demonize black people. this man has been made to two immigrants and we do not hear them talk about immigrants like that. to me it is very clear where his

disdain is pointed. it is directly at black and brown people, the same man who called mexicans thugs. we are clear about who donald trump is and what a person shows you who they are, we should believe them. >> clearly playing on the old racist theory that black people are cannibals and each other. i should mention we just learned the meaning of haitians in springfield schedule for tonight as a parent. it is over safety concerns. that is new information tonight. you mentioned singer john legend who is a springfield, ohio, native. he issued this response to what is happening in his hometown. take a listen. >> all of us need to have the same kind of race that we want our ancestors have and they moved here with our haitian brothers and sisters. no one is eating cats. no one is eating dogs.

we all just want to live and flourish and raise our families in a healthy and safe environment. >> i have worked with john legend on the documentary on my life, loudmouth. it is now up for an emmy. while he has been outspoken, i've never seen him fired up as he is a up this controversy playing out in his hometown. why do you think this story has resonated so deep the, particularly black people outside of springfield, ohio? at my rally this morning i flew back and came back again. people are outraged by this. why is it resonating so deeply? >> it is so ridiculous. it is absurd to try to play such disgraceful and dehumanizing characteristics on our people.

it calls for folks you rise up and challenge the narrative. people have grown incredibly tired of the racist rhetoric that has come from the trump/vance campaign. it is only a snippet of what we can expect if they get their hands back on the powers which control of the white house. this is a page out of project 2025. we talk about mass deportation, where does that start and stop? this is an example of what we can expect if they get their hands back again on the white house. they do not by any stretch of the imagination with this type of power and to be in a position to be able to be the most powerful people in the world. >> let us get back to the commercial black caucus. the cbc released a report this week of where our nation my's largest corporations stand on diversity, equity and inclusion, dei. pledges they made these corporations made of four years after george floyd's murder.

despite republican attacks on corporate diversity practices, following the supreme court's overturning of affirmative action last year, the cbc found that most fortune 500 have kept their commitments though the caucus outline were companies could improve. why do you think most of these companies have stayed the course? >> most of the companies have stayed the course. i think they recognize the dei policies are beneficial. when you expand the network and leveled the playing field and you put people in positions that they ordinarily may or may not have had due to the color of their skin or gender, that broadens the opportunities. it is a numbers game. when you are more inclusive, your opportunities expand. they recognize that. we are so grateful talk of the more than 180 companies who responded to our survey. the response rate was high for a project like this. i would encourage folks to go to cbc.house.gov to look at the

report. it is a phenomenal report led by our chairman with an initiative that he put forth. too many companies were given lip service and those who withdrew their efforts of dei got a lot of attention but we need to applaud those who actually stayed the course. >> absolutely. the insult is they believe in diverse consumers but do not want to deal with the first employment, corporate jobs and contracts. thank you. glad to have you in student congresswoman shontel brown. let us turn now to the battleground state of pennsylvania. where vice president harris held a rally last night. take a listen. >> since i was a child, i know the character and the person who is a small business owner. you are not only business leaders, you are civic leaders. you hold the committee together and part of the fabric of the community and small business owners are the backbone of america's economy. backbone of america's economy.

which is why part of my plan that you heard about the other night will give a $50,000 tax deduction to start up small businesses. knowing that not everybody, like my opponent, got handed $40 million on a silver tray and then filed for bankruptcy six times. and people sometimes just need the opportunity. >> joining me now is state representative malcolm. he represents pennsylvania's 181st district in philadelphia. and is the democratic nominee to be the state's next auditor general. thank you for joining me tonight, malcolm.

let me go to this the vice president appeared last night in wilkes-barre alongside governor josh shapiro and senator bob casey. what is the state of play right now in pennsylvania? do you think democrats have the momentum to win the state? >> we certainly do. the bison president's commanding performance at the debate help to further bad. what you saw at the debate was one person who had a serious plan for the future and another person who makes it clear every day with every statement that he only cares about himself. your incredible conversation with the congresswoman drives home the point that not only is donald trump not having a vision for the future but we should all be a little concerned about him, about his mental wellness and his ability to do what is the toughest job in the world. and also some of who is so small and weak that he is constantly engaged in the type of racism, race baiting, nonsense that we see. toni morrison said it best that

it is to keep us distracted are constantly expanding our reason for being. people want to be treated with dignity and respect. they want save immunity and only one candidate on the stage talked about it and is out campaigning about it. i'm on the way to westmoreland county right now i'm a pretty conservative county at this point. democrats are fired up. independents and republicans who may have voted for trump in the past are sick and tired of the carnival show. >> you represent a new generation of leadership in pennsylvania. young, black and the first openly lgbtq person to be elected to the state assembly. we have seen the trump campaign tried to make an roads with young black voters in your hometown of pennsylvania. what message does the harris campaign need to counter this pitch? we know, in your state, every vote will matter.

>> it is going to be close. folks should understand that and take stock of that. that when joe biden won, i think was a five vote per precinct. it will be close as well. vice president harris is all the time that she is the underdog. we are organizing to win. a part of it is organizing around these very serious and thoughtful, you know, principles that she has laid out about an opportunity economy . it is a big deal to finally have a president -- i marty collier a president -- or to have a candidate who is making sure everyone has their piece of the american dream. building 3 million new homes and giving people the opportunity to afford the down payment. her focus on helping people start small businesses. i hear more from blacks from anything else that they want the opportunity to start a business but they do not have parents who will give them huge sums of money for startup costs.

i can be a real barrier for people who have a good idea to jump out there and have a great idea and getting out in the marketplace. she is talking about tax credits to write up the first time business expenses up to $50,000. that is a huge deal. it is because of that type of vision that i am confident we are going to win this election. we win up-and-down the ballot for democrats because we have a leader who understands what is at stake and speaking to the concerns that people have. not nonsense that donald trump is constantly focused on. >> pennsylvania's highest court on friday throughout a ruling that would have required election officials in the state 's two most populous counties to count valid mail-in ballots that had the incorrect date or no date at all on the outer envelope. in 2020, philadelphia was targeted by trump loyalists

trying to claim without evidence that widespread election fraud was being used to steal the election. are you feeling confident that democrats are ready for what ever challenges republicans are planning this time around? >> a good thing about having a lawyer at the top of the ticket is that she understands partially, so much of this has to be litigated by trump campaign that does not just want to play by the rules. while i was disappointed in the supreme court's decision, we need to recognize it was very narrow. that the actual merits of the case was not decided by the corporate there was a jurisdictional area that they decided around. i do think the supreme court will take this case up.

i hope that they rule on the side of allowing every single eligible voter to camp their vote. and putting a date or forgetting to put a date on the ballot should not have your ballot be thrown out in the trash. we should listen to the american people. what they are saying is they want an economy and a future where they are not worried every day. her shoulders are not up to their ears because they're worried about what will happen to kids and loved ones. the vice president is about what that future looks like. we should allow people to vote, count every vote and win every vote. vice president harris will win pennsylvania. democrats will win up-and-down the ballot and you'll get to the important work of getting big rings done. >> on thursday, former president trump pitched a plan to end taxes on overtime pay. it was an idea he claimed would benefit the working class. and have me remembering your appearance at the democratic national convention this year, where you talk to that project 2025, the heritage foundation's

blueprint for a second trump term. you pointed out the plan calls a change in overtime rules allowing employers to help it harder for their workers to qualify for additional pay for extra hours of work can working people trust any thing the former president says about the economy? >> the answer to that is a big fat, no. donald trump was screwing over workers and screwing over contractors. again, using his big pocketbook and his legal team to try to not pay people for whom he owed payments. this is who he is. every single thing this person does is about one man, it is about donald trump. we need a president who actually gives a care about families like mine, working poor families are trying to figure it out. i watch my mom ration her

insulin my entire life. buried both by parents by the time i was 27. know what it means to hop around because we were not always able to afford the rent. donald trump does not get what kamala harris is about being in a middle-class family and going up and working hard. and wanting that work to be rewarded in the way that it should be. donald trump inherited millions of dollars from his daddy and squandered it. and now want to use the presidency to feel his pockets. it was all about him and that is with the next term will be as well. >> pennsylvania state represented malcolm, thank you as always for being with us. still to come, i don't have to tell you that donald trump rate assist -- races reddick is a lazy attempt to win vote but i will tell you the truth behind the lies. ri osts. selective coverage. for countless americans,

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during this week's presidential debate, former president donald trump baselessly accused haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio, of stealing people's dogs and cats and eating them. we met in springfield, they are eating the dogs, the people that came in, they are eating the cats. they are eating the pets of the people that live there. this is what is happening in our country. >> talk about extreme. [ laughter ] >> official in springfield have repeatedly said they have no evidence to support this a while claim. that draws upon some of the deepest and darkest tropes used by whites the premise to dehumanize immigrants and black people. the rumors seem to have originated with a facebook video of an alleged animal abuse from

a completely different town by a person who was not even haitian. nevertheless, it was mischaracterized and amplified by the right starting with trolls, micah charlie kirk, bubbling up to exes on elon musk. and that all the way to trump's running mate, senator j.d. vance. it is not the first time a pulse internet rumor has bubbled up from this fever swamp of the online right to the mainstream of our politics. this year's olympics, trump pushed alai about a gold medal boxer questioning her gender and alleged ability to participate in the tournament. even though the accusations she was not a woman were dubious at best and then trump promoted a false claims that venezuelan gangs are overrunning apartment complexes in aurora, colorado.

just this week city leaders put out a unified statement saying the story was blown out of proportion. these kind of lies can lead to real violence. just take a look at the race riots in the uk last month. sparked by false information posted online of that muslim asylum-seekers stabbing three young girls. the attacker was not muslim. the true tragedy of these lies lays and how they rob us of a stronger future together. i think of the haitian children, who fled natural disaster and political violence to come to the u.s., who now feel afraid to go to school or even play in the front yard. i think of the american children learning to be a bear new neighbors, rather than embrace them for what they can contribute to the economy and the culture. trump and his maga allies have claimed for a decade that immigration is the most powerful issue. if their ideas are so great,

why do they have to traffic and lies to get the american people to support them? whether they are nativeborn or new arrivals, the people of springfield, ohio, deserve our empathy and respect. we should be listening to each other and searching for solutions, not letting trump and his right wing allies provoke us into writing like cats and dogs. i got you.

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with vice president kamala harris on tuesday. where he promoted those same faults things on stage. the next morning she appeared alongside trump at september 11 moral services in manhattan. in the past, she has suggested 9/11 was an inside job carried out by the u.s. government, who when questioned up but loomer, he said yesterday he was unfamiliar with her views and called her a free spirit and a supporter. joining me to talk about, it is former republican guardsman from florida david and representative donna edwards of maryland. both are msnbc contributors. david, loomer is just 21 years old. in just a few short years, she has worked her way up from posting online to running unsuccessfully to represent palm beach, florida, in congress. now she has made it to the mar-

a-lago inner circle. what you think is going on here? >> that is trajectory in today's republican politics. as she emerged about a decade ago in the dark shadows of social media particularly in the concert of a conspiracy theory lane. truly a conspiracy theorist. we see these characters in republican politics. the critical thing is, what should feel unsettling is the danger that it poses that she is a close adviser to donald trump. what ever you thought of the advisers in this 2016 run. he had ryan as a chief of staff. he had mick mulvaney, lasalle carolina congressman, he had john kelly. now he is getting off the plane for the debate with laura loomer and matt gaetz. he does not have his family with him but none of the stabilizing forces for donald trump are around the former president.

you see the performance that we saw tuesday night in the debate. you see the distressing moment where he calls out haitian immigrants with this lie and conspiracy about eating animals. i would say this i really mean this. this may be the week that donald trump lost the race for the white house. this might be the week it was 70 million people watching that debate and half of all voters from 2020 with such up for performance on all topics. certainly demonstrating how unsettled and unstable he is. but then reaching for this attack on haitian immigrants. this might be the week that donald trump lost the race. >> donna, it is almost inconceivable that vice president harris would be able to survive politically if she were associate with anyone anywhere near as controversial as laura loomer. even trump defended with marjorie taylor greene has called her appalling and

extremely racist. should democrats be pressing even harder on this? >> when marjorie taylor greene calls you out, you know you are pretty bad. democrats are on the right track. the note that the vice president struck both in the debate and sense is that americans really do not want that kind of chaos. they do not want to be driven by racism and misogyny and hate anymore. i think that is exactly the way that you challenge donald trump and the people surrounding him. laura loomer is dangerous. a part of the reason that she is around donald trump is because nobody else is. as the vice president said, it is not just with putin and these other leaders around the world, who just flatter donald trump. it is other people like laura loomer. and those people gravitating towards him and he let them

into his inner circle. in some ways, i think donald trump is just allowing others to repeat exactly the same things that he feels and then he repeats himself. this is not a surprise but the way that the harris campaign should attack this is continuing to be normal as they are and to show how outrageous and to the right, not even to the right but just absolutely extremist donald trump is. >> david, since tuesday former president trump has been telling anyone who will listen that he won the debate. he has also been saying the moderators were bias. that vice president harris somehow cheated and that he will not participate in another one. that does not sound much like victory, does it? >> he is siding daily collars and all these maga friendly

platforms for anyone with two eyes and a brain realized tuesday night that harris had a remarkable evening. she made her case about her vision. it was not a perfect evening. but what was remarkable was how she let donald trump and even baited donald trump in demonstrating who he was for the american people. the biggest take away for the voters is best, if you are a partisan warrior and a harris backer and a truck backer, you felt like your cabinet may be won. for the american people, this was the most accurate display of the two candidates we have seen in a long time and we might ever see. you sought vice president harris for her strengths and weaknesses. he saw the lies of how unsettling he is and is and take democratic beams. to whether or not putin should be defeated with the war in ukraine. voters saw that perfectly. i think the choice is very clear. which is why i think most people would say you'd rather

be in vice president harris' camp that donald trump's. >> donna, let me get your take on the maryland senator race. joe manchin endorsed former republican governor larry hogan. right now, hogan is running nearly neck and neck against democrat and will also brooks. they cannot afford to lose it if they want to hold onto the slim majority. you know the state well. how do you see this turning out? >> larry hogan is a very popular governor. i think marilyn has a 2-1 democratic registration advantage in the state. it is surprising that the race is this close. i think at the end of the day, in order to close this out, there has to be a strong argument made on the issue of choice and who you want to control the united states senate to allow democrats to see the

light and understand the advantage of supporting alsobrooks over hogan. he is a popular governor. this race will come down to the wire. ballots are getting ready to be mailed to maryland. it is closing in. i think with that registration advantage, that alsobrooks should be able to pull it out. >> david and donna, thank you for being with us. coming up, author, activist and academic, michael eric dyson, the socrates of our time. i always say he has been lending his unique perspective on the fight for social justice for decades. he joins me next to talk about how the black community will impact the 2024 race and why the fight for voting rights is far from over. stay tuned. commerci h

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welcome back to politicsnation. my next guest is out with a new book that examines the ongoing struggle to protect voting rights. from the promises made but not delivered in america -- at america's founding two trump's attempt to undermine the 2020 election results. i'll bet in the book. joining

me now, dr. michael eric dyson professor of african american studies at vanderbilt, university. his latest book represent, the unfinished fight of the vote. it just went on sale this week. let us start with the story coming out of the debate, the baseless claim that haitian immigrants are eating pets in ohio. the accusation echoes false rumors being put out by neo three online. and now they are being mainstreamed. not only by trump but by his running mate, senator j.d. vance. by ted cruz and the odor of x and elon musk and others who have power and influence and should absolutely know better. how did we get here? what do we do about it? dr. dyson. >> we elevate people by al

sharpton. congratulations on 13 years of telling the truth in such bold and declarative fashion. we also have to acknowledge that what they are doing, as you have articulated, is really reprint using racist tropes that have suggested that black people are the other. now they are picking on haitian people as somehow immigrants who do not deserve a shot at american identity and american citizenship at the papers and the benefits and advantages that america provides. they are indeed some citizens who are seeking what others who come from around the world seek. an opportunity to maximize their gifts and expand their talents and to be able to contribute to society and support their families. j.d. vance is a dimwitted doppelgdnger of his foolish fascist president want to be, donald trump. reverend al, i did not see any haitians eating any dogs but i

did, on debate night, see a black woman eating a donkey until nothing was left. he was wet. he was defeated. he was demoralized. and all he could do was not call her name, that has been going on for centuries. trying to name who we are. >> i might say she was eating an elephant, not a donkey. despite the escalating tone of racism from trump and his campaign, donald trump has been able to make greater inroads with black voters in this election cycle and 2020. especially among black men. the naacp found that 77% of black men said they are supporting harris. nearly one in four brothers under the age of 50 that they are supporting trump. what do you make of this, professor?

>> bayer think about that donald trump they knew when they were making him an icon of hip-hop and he had money and women. he had buildings and he had businesses. when his businesses are bankrupt, his money is short. being attacked daily because of the lawsuits that he confronts. and he is a person who is not showing character and depth. they are now repeating an error that they have them and raising history. this is a racist man, who along with his father deny people access to their buildings. this is a man who had pointed out refused to recant his insistence that the then central park five be given the death chamber. i think black men are being seduced and hoodwinked by what they see as donald trump's swagger and indeed what he lacks with basic and fundamental character. ultimately, black men will come to their senses. >> ultimately, they will find

the swagger is a dagger on our civil rights. your new book represent is the name of the book. it shows the voting right struggle up to the attempt to subvert the 2020 election results. in the chapter truth and lies, you write accordingly, trump had spent four years as president insulting the nation 's immigrants opposing the movement for racial justice and blocking every attempt to expand voting rights but like about winning the election was only part of trump's plan. the president a group of conspirators also try to arrange into the election machinery, especially in the state of georgia. that is end of quote. seven weeks out from 2024, trump is still up to his old game of making false claims about voter fraud, blaming immigrants for crime and using racist language to get his way.

and he is still has supporters in georgia and elsewhere. willing to help them do that. again, your thoughts on that. >> i think that it is ridiculous. that is why we point out in the book and now that donald trump is using vice president kamala harris at the same tired playbook. he is trying to set people up that if he does not win that it must have been rigged and therefore he is instigating another insurrection of citizens as opposed to trying to win it fair and square. those of us must continue to insist upon a fair election, i just election without the encumbrances and the intervention of a right wing that wants to be a fascist autocratic person to put him in office as opposed to kamala harris, who continue to represent the best traditions. >> michael eric dyson, the professor. i call him socrates. his latest book represent: the unfinished fight for the vote, went up sale this week.

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were right there celebrating black excellence but celebrating what has happened in the last three and half years under president joe biden. as president biden outline how his administration led to wrecking -- record unemployment among blacks. how it is helped hbcus like any other administration. he has helped to close the wealth gap between white and black in a substantive way. this is the kind of presidency that we need. those that can make the country work for everyone. and that was the celebration yesterday. i was also talking with anthony anderson, the actor, who has announced he is doing a miniseries where he will play out -- al sharpton in the

miniseries. this sets the tone as i go to the congressional black caucus and vice president harris will be speaking. the progress made from blacks and latinos and women and lgbtq are all under attack. i have often heard it said and it is true that where you lift the bottom, you lift the top. all must be listed in order to have peaceful scenes in the country. we must not see the celebration of blacks as a black thing but of thing that was done against great odds and against his bigotry. we still have some of that today and we must fight. we made it through things because there was struggle and bloodshed. people sacrificing. we only have to go and vote and keep going in the direction jobe biden and kamala harris is done in the last three and half years.

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