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trump uses week to take his ambitions to new heights. how dictatorships of the past operas clues about a second trump term. the consequences of the springfield alive. but the women who started all is now saying. today's debate sparked several meltdowns but we are breaking them down in today's worst of the week. i am ayman mohyeldin , let us do it. years from now we may look back at the events of this week as being pivotal in american history. not just because kamala harris and donald trump debated in front of 67 million americans but because trump to use this debate, the widest audience either candidate will likely speak in front of with the authoritarian rhetoric but to turn it up a notch to amplify it in the masses.

in what may be remembered as one final warning about what a second trump administration will be, free from guard rails and sheila by the supreme court with legal immunity, trump combined all of his biggest hits, his bigotry, lies and threats to democracy in one evening for all of us to see. all the boxes on the authoritarian checklist were checked when moderator david mure asked him about how he finally seemed to have acknowledged the 2020 election results trump shot back with this. >> are you an analogy that you lost? >> i say that sarcastically. we lost by a whisker. that was said sarcastically. there is so much proof. all you have to do is look at it and they should have sent it back to the legislature for approval. >> he referred to the january 6th insurrectionist as we and

defended the rioters. trump went down to falsely claim that illegal immigrants were coming into the country to vote for democrats and repeated the claim that haitian immigrants are eating people's pets in springfield, ohio. a dangerous light that is now putting lives in danger. he promised the largest mass deportation in u.s. history and said he would use local police along with federal authorities to round everyone up and when harris attracted trump for being a laughingstock among world and military leaders, look at who trump cited in his defense. >> me tell you about world leaders, viktor orban, one of the most respected men -- mccallum a strongman. he is a tough person. prime minister of hungary. >> viktor orban? the man who is let authoritarian takeover of hungary for the past 14 years. he has attacked his country's press freedoms, judicial freedoms, lgbtq rights, immigration. he calls himself a champion of liberal democracy. this is the man that donald trump and myers and model

himself after in front of millions of americans. it is not just modern-day authoritarians that we can look to for warning signs when trump uses certain phrases calling political enemies berman claiming that immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country and his running mate now claiming that haitian immigrants are spreading diseases. we know where that rhetoric comes from. just take a look at what the u.s. holocaust museum says about not see propaganda. it portrays people persecuted as berman, parasites or diseases. this ideology focused on the idea that germany's racial purity was under attack from the blood of weaker peoples and propaganda often depict did the political opponents and others as parasites that threaten the overall health of germany. it is the same rhetoric, all the warning signs are here for us to see.

he did not tone it down for the large mainstream audience. he wants us all to know what is coming if he is re-elected. joining me now to discuss this hayes brown, writer and editor at msnbc daily , kindling shepley, an expert on authoritarianism and a professor at princeton, and rick wilson author of running against the devil, a plot to save america from trump and the democrats from themselves. hazel, i will start with you. this was not a random speech and how michigan to the base or the most extreme part of his base. it was not an online twitter thing with elon musk where the system kept crashing. this was national tb broadcast two 67 million americans and tens of millions of people around the world. that is what he chose to deliver this message that i just went through. >> i think that what trump is doing is honestly, just acting

on instinct. we know that his bait prep it is just him sitting around with advisers and kind of floating ideas and kicking around the things that he would want to say to attackers on. the lie about eating cats and dogs, that was supposed to be a bait and switch. we turns around on harris to talk about immigration. that is at the core of so much of what he is trying to do here. it is trying to find a way to get that rhetoric that you were mentioning about how horrible immigration is, how terrible immigrants are and they are the one who are ruining the country to a mainstream audience. trump is the wrong person to deliver that message. they are finding it through j.d. vance as well. j.d. vance is not well-liked, wrong person to deliver the message. all that is being amplified are the weird and horrible racist parts of this.

which is riling up their base. thankfully, that means we are talking about it and trying to explain to people who are confused about what their message is trying to say, what they are actually meaning to get across. >> it also speaks to how vulnerable he is to social media and the fact that he can see something online and totally take it and amplify it to millions of people, this lie about immigrants eating pets in ohio. professor, greg sargent wrote a piece called trump slowburn authoritarianism. he argues that should trump win office and consolidate power, he may do it quietly. he writes in its targeting of internal enemies and its efforts to carry out changes via far right governing, it could end up being much less dramatic, visible or splashy. at the same time insidious, difficult to track and very challenging to mobilize against. a stained legal and bureaucratic harassment.

you see that way in your area of expertise? do you agree that it would play out like this? is this part of viktor orban's playbook? this 14 your takeover of the american government? >> we have to see authoritarianism runs on two tracks. one is the rhetoric that you have been discussing and the other track is the kind of infrastructure that locks in power for a long time. one of the significant factors about trump mentioning or bond is that is not just a mutual fan club and he has already endorsed trump for president but that he is working at the heritage foundation was great of the project 2025 report that we know is the foundation of trump's policies for many that are elected. the crucial thing is that the way that he took over when he came to power in 2010 was by firing lots of civil servants and then replacing them with his own people. that is exactly the same plan you see in the

heritage report. when trump mentions orban, i would not say it is just a matter of birds of a feather ideologically , but it is also the trump people are learning from the orban playbook about how to lock in power and the un-splashy way but that is the thing that keeps the mayor. >> rick, there is an important point in what the professor was saying about the playbook and the parallels between viktor orban and what donald trump wants to replicate in this country. when the democrats moved from joe biden to the vice president, it was reported the harris campaign was talking less about this authoritarian is in and threat to democracy. she kind of struck a more positive tone, less about the fear of what trump represents to our democracy. harris and walz have been ridiculing and knocking trump down instead of building him up at this huge scary threat. anything from a strategy point of view? it is effective but will it be

enough? >> one of things you have to do with authoritarians is to mock them and belittle them for it is to be in their heads and their faces. that the billy -- bully no you are not afraid. behavior of the entire republican party is because trump has bullied them. he is the ike turner of the republican party. they are the views to partners in this relationship. it is grim and horrible. i mean they literally are mentally abused by trump. they are threatened. they are in terror of him all the time. when you are out there making a case, the mockery that harris and walz and other folks are bringing, it is important. you do have to make the case about the level of threat that donald trump presents to the future of this country. you do have to make the case that this authoritarianism that has become admired and desired

on the right in this country today is not conservative. it is radical. well my friend is excellent, i think that even if it is a slowburn, a grind, you will see the impact of that so quickly on the broader part of society because trump has told us what he will do. he will go after his political opponents. he will liberated from prison the january 6th terrace. he has told us what he will do. there is a lot of trump that is motivated by the roar of the crowd. i think it will be harder for donald to resist doing the big horrible fascist things in order to play the long game. he has never been a good long player. the interesting thing is when you look at some like trump is that he may be but clownish figure. he may be the guy who does it for the roar of the crowd. but who he brings into the mix, who he enables, the way that they go about dismantling it,

the zoo -- these are the people who work in the shadows, potential director of cia or various cabinet positions that do not get the attention that trump is. while he gets all the attention on him, the dismantling of democracy is happening by people he has enabled who are more sinister and strategic in the way they do so. >> that is right. >> absolutely. one thing that rick is right about, that it is going to be the people that he works with. trump is not that great at the long game. he can barely control his impulses during the debate. what i think he learned in his first term was that his most enduring accomplishment was altering, shall we say packing the supreme court. and that he did because he outsourced it to a group of people who have a very specific goal in mind. they had a game plan and he does let them do it. what you are saying is he has outsourced a lot of what he plans to do in the second term to the heritage foundation and to this project 2025.

and the heritage foundation is already training a set of people who can hit the ground running as a say on day one. one thing about firing civil servants on day one and replacing them with their own people is that our constitution has a mechanism for ensuring the people in power are responsible and that is consent of the senate for all the key positions. if you are the agencies and you just fire your own people, you are bypassing that advice and consent process but it means that trump can put into those positions far more radical people then you get through the senate. that is a danger signal i think we have to be on the lookout for. >> we have to make sure we do not get numb to donald trump. we cannot get the team by the way that he just sucks the energy out of the room. as we get closer to the election, it will only intensify and you want to make sure you still have attention.

the threat is real and it is now at the doorstep of our republic. >> two things, it is nine years. it is hard to not get fatigued. i think that goes both ways. i think his routine is tired. i think that he is trying to keep people's attention. as part of why we see this escalation of rhetoric from him. he wants more and more attention, more and more people in the crowd to agree with him. on our end, especially in the news media, we are trying to make sure that people are aware of what is happening. the whole structure of how you structure news is what is new. if he has been saying the same thing for a long time, it is hard to shake people and make sure they know, i know he said this before that he is still saying it. it is still true and he still means to do this. he still means to carry out these plans.

like the firing of civil servants, he was told about that at the end of the last term. the is the plan to be put into place as soon as he won. we have to keep letting people know what is going on. >> you cannot take the foot of the pedal right now in the face of the threat. thank you so much, i appreciate it. please stick around. we have a lot more to talk to you about. to quote the unhinged conspiracy theory that is putting an entire u.s. community on edge. in my the woman who started it all is having regrets. evan y'm with savings, right? (♪♪) somebody just got their first debit card! ice cream on you? your money is a part of your community, so your bank should be too. like, chase!

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back in 2018 a white supremacy hubble cotton are killed 11 people in the pittsburgh synagogue while reportedly yelling all must die before opening fire. this shooting came after he sat at a viral conspiracy theory that the hebrew immigrant aid society, which helps resettle refugees in this country were to blame for the migrant caravan that year. a year later a gunman killed 22 people in texas and that can test that he was targeting

mexicans. about 20 minutes before he began shooting at an el paso walmart, he posted a message on mine say he was motivated by a, quote, invasion of hispanics, across the southern border. just this week in springfield, ohio, bumpus forced the evacuation of six buildings, including city hall and an elementary school. the mayor indicated thursday that the threat included complaints about haitian immigrants and migrants in the city. stemming from a baseless and racist conspiracy theory that they have been stealing and eating household pets. donald trump and his running mate, j.d. vance, have touted the lines multiple lines. oz is immediate and at the debate, unchecked. the underlying inspiration for the violence and all three of these events, the idea that immigrants are coming to this country to replace white americans is something trump has been touting since the day he stepped in front of a camera and announced he is running for president in 2015. it is something that we know

that leads to violence. instead of tapping it down, trump and his allies are taking it to a whole new level. let us go back to your panel for this. let me play for you -- trump has finally responded the bomb threat. let me play for you what he said about the bomb threats and i will get your reaction. >> reporter: you announce that should denounce the bomb threats in springville, ohio? >> i do not know what happened. i know it has been taken over by a league migrants. springfield was this beautiful town and now they're going to -- >> medicine in vegas. he was asked, do you denounce the bomb threat? any sane american, certainly a politician running for office should be able to say, i denounce the threat of violence, period. end of discussion. he does not say that. he does not denounce the threat of violence. he says i do not know anything

about it and then says the part about illegal immigrants, ruining the city. >> there is a number of things wrong that is very hard to catalog because there is so many of them. j.d. vance, despite he is still spreading a lot of the lies about the migrant community in springfield, he is saying they are raising communicable diseases when that is not true. the health department has said as much. his campaign put out a statement saying we denounce the violence. trump goes to his standby, which i do not know anything about it. you are presidential candidate. someone must have briefed you about this. you know something about this. >> evening don't know anybody who can say, i denounce the threat of violence. >> you would think that. he knows that if he does say something to that level, then it is basically him saying, bad job, the base. do not do that. he does not like chiding the people he wants to vote for

him. even though they are in the wrong. >> there was an op-ed by jared holt who writes these bomb scares are a natural byproduct of the maga playbook . i just outlined a few examples of real- life consequences where it is about the threat of migrants. these people and domestic terrorists, people who are politically motivated, they carry out violence in the name of this ideology. giving trump and his colleagues are worried about the real-life impact of running amok with insane lies like the ones they are spreading in springfield? >> i will be very blunt, i think trump want someone to be killed. i think they want this violence to escalate. they want to say these migrants have caused the violence. they brought this on themselves. look at our cities on fire because these terrible people from faraway lands who happened to be dark-skinned. this is a racist playbook that goes back well before hitler. this goes well before the idea

that sometimes people were eating cats and dogs. this story is recycled over and over again. the story was recycled from a straight habit in britain during the brexit campaign would rupert murdoch's newspapers were saying, these polish immigrants are eating the swans out of all the lakes. there eating people's chickens. this is a lie that they love to tell. they love it more on the maga side because let us be blunt, they see a group of people who the absolutely low in every way. they are illegal immigrants. they are from haiti, black and hard-working. it blows up every one of their lives. they are not here illegally. they are not here on welfare. they are working to make the community better. it is a disgusting and racist life. but violence and threat of violence in the minds of many maga types is a promise. it is something they want

because then they can say, now it is escalating. and then they will blame the people, the victims of the violence that the maga are engendering against these haitians. they will blame it on the haitians. it speaks very well of their moral center. >> the woman who started these rumors has told nbc news that her false claim about her haitian neighbors exploded into something she had not meant to happen. and that she had no idea the post would become part of the rumor mill that was put in the national consciousness that we are seeing now. part of me falter but a part of me understands the dangers of social media. who i cannot forgive are the republicans who ran with the story and amplified it. and now are treating it as gospel. that is on them now. >> it is. you know who else i cannot forgive? the republican elected officials who are still backing trump, endorsing trump still

echoing his lie, even rick scott, who is in a state with over 300,000 registered legal haitian voters is saying, these rumors are terrible and dangerous. we do not know what is going on with my haitians are okay but these are dangerous. these people having more responsibility to break from trump. at this point, it has been a long few years. we will not see that. they will not break from him. they will continue to amplify the lie and the maga media are on a treadmill of lies, outrage , they don't not want to get off of that. >> it is absolutely shameful. i know it sound like a broken record but there is no bottom to the republican party at this moment. we have got worst of the week coming up in just a moment. but for that, palestine is an issue most american voters care about. why is, harris taking advantage of that? trains that sense what isn't on the schedule.

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as combat is at this week's debate between kamala harris and donald trump was, less attention has been paid to topics where the candidates do not distinguish themselves on policy one another. take a look at this exchange. >> when she mentions about israel, all of the sudden she hates israel. she would not even meet with netanyahu when he went to congress to make a very important speech. she was at a sorority party of hers. she hates israel. if she is present, i believe that israel will not exist within two years from now. i have been good on predictions and i hope i am wrong. at the same time, in her own way, she hates the arab population but the whole place will get blown up. arabs, jewish people, israel, israel will be gone. >> vice president harris, he

says you hate israel. >> that is not true. i have my entire career and life supported. he knows that. >> there was name-calling and personal accusations both candidates want to make clear their devotion to one side of the issue. all the love of israel, you would hardly know this is a country being investigated for genocide and using starvation as a weapon of war by the international court of justice. while the viewers were reminded by harris about the charges of sexual violence against hamas, most viewers probably had no idea about the recent credible and shocking elevations of palestinian detainees at the hands of israeli soldiers documented by is ready human right groups. or that footage of one act of sodomy appeared on israeli television. and you would not have known from the date that the country's leader is being investigated for war crimes by the international criminal court.

what you also would not know from how both candidates handled this issue is that most voters in america do not like it. i knew you got pulled for the cato institute released the day before the debate found the majority of likely voters in swing states, pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin favored an immediate cease-fire in gaza. 74% of respondents supported a cease-fire, 80% of wisconsin voters and 75% of pennsylvania voters did as well. across all three swing states more than 88% of democrats supported an immediate cease- fire while more than 78% of independents supported one. now, as she has been doing for months, kamala harris did call for a cease-fire. she did so during the debate. which is more than what donald trump did. and said the administration is working around the clock to get one. is that true?

u.s. has yet to use any leverage to compel a belligerent and yet yahoo, who the really public, israeli media, the israeli security establishment and is really hostage families are blaming or preventing a deal. the u.s. does have a lot of leverage being israel's main weapon supplier. in fact, harris was specifically asked about this issue on cnn recently. >> would you do anything differently? would you withhold some u.s. weapons shipments to israel? that is what a lot of people on the progressive left want you to do. >> after recounting the horrors october 7 and stating the need for a cease-fire, harris avoided the weapons question so dana followed up. you make no change in policy in terms of arms and so forth? >> we have to get a deal them. >> no change in policy. here is the thing. not just a progressive that they are calling for one. according to the same you've got poll the majority of voters in rust belt states, swing states also reported making

military aid to it is really conditional or not supplying it at all. 56% in michigan, 51% and wisconsin. 51% in pennsylvania. these are the voters who may decide the selection. it follows a national poll from cbs showing that 61% of americans oppose sending weapon and supplies to israel. and the numbers are even higher from all the key voter groups that democrats need to win. is this the most important election of our lifetime? don't democrats want to win at all cost? by promising no change in policy on this issue, harris is aligning herself more closely to a very on pop alert joe biden policy. she is also aligning herself what donald trump, a man who uses the word palestinian as a slur. and with both trump and harris positioned themselves as the change candidates, this seems like a perfect opportunity for

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it is time for our worst of the week. the right-leaning met edition. donald trump had a horrible debate against kamala harris on tuesday. how did this and that for him to how did they break down by lashing down at the abc moderators. here is trump last night. >> did she get the questions? i hear she got the questions and i also heard she had something in here. david muir owes me an apology. >> and for the crime of fact

checking the egregious lies, the and they counsel culture lashed out at abc on his facial sodium media site demanding fire of everyone at the network. that was after he demanded abc's license being taken away during a softball interview on fox. his allies went further with sean davis, ceo of the outlet the federals, demanding the moderators and executives be criminally charged for campaign finance fraud. what is a freak out what unhinged conspiracy very thrown into the mix? rachel campos-duffy suggested the debate was rigged because moderator lindsey davis and kamala harris were sorority sisters. except that harris and davis are 13 years apart in age and attended different schools in different states. the right freak out was not exclusively directed towards the moderators. as to taylor swift, the nature to let people know they were totally fine with it. >> she will probably pay a price in the marketplace.

>> 36-year-old single woman with no children who act like she is 17 and all of her songs. >> hulk hogan is much more influential. >> what makes you think that the way that you think should influence other people were using for a living. just deal with that. >> i don't think most americans will be influenced by a billionaire celebrity who is fundamentally disconnected from the interests and the problems of most americans. >> talk about a soft own billionaire celebrity who is disconnected from the interest and problems of most americans. does he know who is running mate is? the worst reaction came from another billionaire and x owner, elon musk. he was referred to as a childless cat lady. the range musk posted, you win, i will give you a child and garter cat with my life. my panel is back with me.

this freak out over the abc moderation. trump claims that he won both debates. after he won the cnn debate he praised the moderators and claimed he won this one. and somehow even running this one he decided to attack the moderators. what does that reveal to you about that meltdown over the moderators? >> we knew that this was going to be the case. the second that the moderators show they would not this rapidfire off question at the candidates without much care what the response would be, it was clear that they were going to be under fire. i think that trying to say that he won this debate, i think in his head and he is trying to tell, i won despite the moderators. i did this on my own. they were pushing back. and still, i won, despite clearly losing.

>> the conspiracy theory that harris got questions in advance is being amplified by trump, elon musk, bill ackman, yesterday senator roger marshall of kansas posting that he sent a letter to abc and the harris campaign demanding all correspondence and records between the two ahead of the debate. absolutely bonkers meltdown. >> this is the fact that the supply in america is clearly down to zero. these guys have been trying to find rationalizations going out on the debate stage and getting his -- handed to him. the idea she had an earpiece and, those are tiffany hardware series earrings. look and you will find out. they are not some secret spy device. even though she were wearing an earpiece, did she mind control powers to make donald trump start talking about eating the dogs and cats and be in crazy the entire night? of course not.

they cannot on the fact that their guy has not only lost a step but that his the client is so precipitous. his mental collapse is so apparent. his dementia is such a raging bonfire of incoherence that he lost that debate. the first debate, joe biden lost. he lost the debate. donald trump did not win it, by then lost it. in this debate kamala harris won the debate, no questions asked. donald trump lost it. because he is sick in his brain is broken. there are many things wrong with him that an army of trained psychologist would spend months trying to analyze but he is so broken and they cannot stop making excuses. it is just sad. >> let me play for you rick and hayes this sound of schapiro. it speaks for itself, watch. >> i have to say one more thing, who do they think they are fact checking?

>> biz lady not know that there are a news organization. i know you work at fox so facts are the last thing you expect to see but it is a news organization but your job is to speak truth to power and fact check, rick. >> the idea that donald trump was being unfairly fact checked. maybe do not say complete insane lies, they're killing babies after they have been born. the dogs and cats and all of that. every moment he got back checked it was professional, brief and concise. it did not last longer than that or used to make some broader set of attacks on trump. it just corrected the record and proceed with the debate. i know that is hard to handle. they are so delicate. their tears are flowing rapidly right now because of their perceived unfairness of the abc moderators. the moderators were so laid- back and professional and then.

i thought it was a great model of how to do this. >> i thought so too. i know it's hard to fact check in real time but that is what we need more of. imagine if we would have that because we are almost out of time. we have got elon musk meltdown. if you or anyone else would have responded to a colleague or said something like that, you would be fired so fast. elon musk, the most powerful man on that platform sing it with disrespect. you have is your worst of the week between the gop meltdown over abc or taylor swift? >> the taylor swift meltdown because of that elon musk thing. it is disgusting. it is a threat because taylor swift has no interest in elon musk. he has many children with many people because of his weird obsession with getting his jeans out there. and also the cat comment, amplifying the lies we retirement earlier. i'd give it to elon musk for just being gross in this case. >> disgusting. >> you have between these two

for worst of the week? >> i will go with the maga attacks on taylor swift. they are trying to turn her into some sort of demon . i just want to let my maga friends know, there are bad mistakes in history but invading moscow in the winter, land war in asia, attacking taylor swift. those are three that are equally consequential and dangerous. but proceed. >> i think we have unanimity on this. i think the attack on taylor swift just actually embarrassing but disgusting and super offensive and completely uncalled for. do not go anywhere. we have one more major maga meltdown to go. the next one gets this week's honorable mention. honorable mention. especially when they're eggland's best. taste so deliciously fresh. with better nutrition, too. we love our eggs any style. as long as they're the best. eggland's best.

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their false claims, well here is your answer. thanks to jose. >> the crime rate of venezuela is down over 60% over the last several years. >> reporter: is as official affiliates from the venezuelan dictatorship? >> if you are a dictator of a poor country with a high crime rate, would you not send your criminals to our open boarder? >> reporter: are you trusting the figures of the dictatorships? those are maduro numbers. >> i am trusting the fact that kamala harris is letting immigrants who are murdering children. >> why are you yelling? >> children are dead and you are wasting my time. >> reporter: i am asking for facts as a journalist. >> you have any remorse for the dead children ? >> i am asking for facts.

rick and hayes are both with me. you see the meltdown. it is kind of like, we know this happens. when you ask someone basic and simple and clear fact based questions, they do not have an answer. he turns it on them. do you not have compassion for these big limbs and shouts? >> we know two things about stephen miller clearly. the first is that he is obsessed with immigration at a level is inexplicable to most people. the hatred of immigrants has been a through line since he was a young conservative writer and a guy who worked for a young staffer. it is something that absolutely triggers him. he is also one of the people that has shaped this dialogue on the maga side of the equation would lie after lie, after lie, after lie. this is a guy who does not care about the truth on it. it does not care about the damages lies do because he

really believes that this is the single cause of any distress in america. he will call them all out one way or the other. he has to sleep in a coffin every night. other than that -- >> the irony is that it is funny how, you know, people like stephen miller. they are relying on the numbers from venezuela. at the same time they are saying the united states will become like venezuela. and then say would you not do that if your are in a dictatorship? do understand what you put yourself in right now? >> it is not what stephen miller wants to do to round up people in america and ship them off to other countries. going back to the first segment . stephen miller is the long game guy here in terms of taking what trumps racist statements are and turning them into policy and turning them into actionable items. he will be one of the people,

if trump wins, he will take his ideas and implement them. they are talking about migrants in haiti that have temporary protected status which is given them by dhs. stephen miller would say, not in the media. it is people who are legally in america who would be threatened under the trump regime. it is funny but also, come on. >> i have one more before we go. check this one out. donald trump jr., take a listen. >> you look at haiti and the demographic makeup and the average iq, if you import the third world into your country, you will become the third world. it is not racist, that is fact. >> it is not fact and it is pretty rigid for donald jr. to question the iq of other people when we remember the reason he was not charged in the investigation is because he was considered too dumb to know he

might have been committing crimes that is the reason why he was not charged. >> i know we are out of time but it sounded better in the original german. >> [ laughter ] hayes, final thought to you. but tween stephen miller and donald trump jr., two people are influential, who is the worst of the weekend? >> stephen miller. don jr. is reviewing the same things. they can make them into horrible policies. >> rick, i assume you're going with stephen miller this round as well? >> absolutely. >> perfect unanimity, all three agree. hayes brown, rick wilson, always a pleasure. make sure to come back tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc sir richard branson it joins me to share his vision for peace for both israeli and palestinians. stick around, next live democracy 2024 heirs a special two hour presentation of our premier fan event. i am ayman mohyeldin. thanks for watching. have a good night .

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