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steve kornacki khakis are just glorious in real life. over the course of the day, jen psaki , joy reid and so many others will give you their take on the state of this wild and crazy election. are you enjoying it so far? it is only september. all right, let's get this thing kicked off. you may have seen the reporting from the dnc. they are going to tell you what it was like to be there and that electric atmosphere. at first, they will dig into what is at stake in november. please welcome to the stage, the host of the reidout , joy reid and alex wagner. welcome. >> thank you.

>> oh my god, i want to do this. >> we have to get the selfie. hello. thank you all for coming. how amazing is this? >> amazing. thank you, brooklyn. >> i think will jump in because what we are doing is just re- creating what happened at the democratic national convention. >> the chips would have no seat. >> they would be in our bodies. can we talk about how much fun we had quick >> we had too much fun. listen, at the point i felt bad for everybody in new york because who here was at the

convention? was anybody at the convention? it was more amazing than i thought anybody thought it was going to be. we got to be there and soak in the magic with longtime friends, with one of my favorite people in the world and we had an endless supply of fried snacks. and then, kamala harris got the nomination. what could be better than that? >> the thing that is so interesting is one of the first shows i used to go on in a regular basis and one of the person to let me fill in for her was this person, alex wagner. we do go back a ways. we have seen a lot of elections coming up . rank this one in terms of the intensity of the vibes and feelings around it. >> listen, i think this one holds even more weight because when barack obama was running against donald trump, there is the trump factor which is a

standing on the precipice of end of times. then, there is the candidacy that barack obama represented and one that kamala harris represents, certainly. which is the trajectory of american society and culture and what it means for us, whether we are trending towards a more inclusive and diverse society. in the post obama-trump years, a lot of people questioned did barack obama come too soon? was he an aberration? was it just eight years of us glimpsing, prematurely in terms of the future that was a long way off? and donald trump is such a repudiation of the moral arc of the universe. the harris candidacy represents an affirmation that the path that obama opened up for the country might actually, be its destiny.

and so, it is not just a democrat might save the country from donald trump, it is a democrat who could meaningfully move the ball forward and finally, shatter that last glass ceiling. it is exponentially the levels of import, the stakes are so incredibly high and that has given rise to a joy that is really powerful. >> it is interesting because if you think about the trajectory that happened in 2008, we had this incredible thing that happened in a country that was formally a series of slave colonies and elected a black president and four years later he was reelected. it seems the path was towards a woman being president and that got interrupted by donald trump. that sent shock to the system but reduces the end of roe v. wade. it produces the end of a right

for women that they thought they would never lose. that is a part of the context of another woman stepping forward and getting the nomination. it is remarkable that the question of whether the country was what president obama represented whether it is what trump represented is a really live question for a lot of people. increasingly, there is a sense that maybe, trump is the aberration and i think that is important. maybe. and, if that happened, one of the people who will deserve the most credit is an elderly white man named, joe biden. >> yes. >> right? >> yes. >> and, by the way you were there, alex in the spin room on the night of the debate.

>> i sure was. >> the debate that kicked all of this off. so, at the time people were doing in the spin room was spinning as hard as they could pick >> they made ducks looked like they were floating on the water and the legs are paddling furiously. i remember talking to gavin newsom and all the republicans came out. stephen geller, matt gaetz and all the trump people and nobody wanted to talk with them. then, gavin newsom came out and everybody wanted to talk to the democrats. the panic that set in the first 10 minutes of that debate is unlike anything i've ever witnessed. the phones were blowing up and there was this huge question. so many questions about biden and the party and the country and what has unfolded. of course, in the last eight weeks, just to talk about the

joe biden of it all. this man who will be seen, potentially as the full curtain around two black presidents. >> he is there and provides a very important role for obama's candidacy. and as president, himself in the wake of the covid disaster and economic calamity that were largely the fault of donald trump and potentially, does something that no one has ever done, other than george washington, to cede the power and make sure that the line of succession is clear and final. the extraordinary notice--the extraordinary nature of those acts will never be forgotten. >> i have likened him to a character in game of thrones.

nancy pelosi, the most powerful woman other than kamala harris ever, in american history, the most successful and profitable --powerful speaker ever in history. the most successful speaker. and, it is not as if she was the only person. across the democratic party there was incredible bravery, but she was willing to say it out loud. she put herself out there because of her power and because of the steam she holds in the party. she said, this is what needs to happen and it wasn't just her, but when president biden said, all right, i will accede to the wishes of my party and i will do it in a way that confers the most power. i am doing this on my terms and i named this person as my successor. that is a power move. >> we just have to contrast the

two parties in this moment. as you say, it is nancy pelosi leading the charge and insofar as you have to lead the charge it will be a difficult position, but doing it in the most respectful way to do such a thing, the democratic party managing the troops and democratic voters making their wishes known and when kamala harris steps in, rallying around this person with an enthusiasm and joy and electricity that none of us could have predicted. it is a party, and i say this after cheney--you want to see what a high functioning, inclusive, well oiled machine looks like? look at the democratic party. >> that is what was so remarkable about the convention. you saw former members of the

trump administration walking around getting love all over the place. you saw people who ideologically, disagree and it shows you you have one political party where everyone is included and invited. >> it is pro-democracy. >> alex and joyce conversation continues after the break. still to come, andrea mitchell, chris hayes, jen psaki, the host of the weekend , andrew weissman, stephanie ruhle, and rachel maddow. rachel maddow.

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we are back with joy reid and alex wagner at the beautiful brooklyn academy of music. here the rest of their conversation. >> we had a talk about, let debbie harris. listen, she has stepped up to the moment and people want to question what your background is. she is alex plus me, okay? >> you are welcome. >> she is agent--asian and black. look at this stage and get it in your mind. >> our moms noticed. >> look, we don't care. >> don't forget that she is asian, too. >> listen, and the jamaicans are out of control. don't start with the jamaicans. she is a polyglot human being.

she is what america is because this is how you build america. it is the immigrants that come in and they come in and become part of this country. she has stepped up and stepped into this moment in a way that i think a lot of people failed to anticipate because they were not covering her or paying attention to her. as two people that did cover her and pay attention to her it wasn't surprising. let's talk about how she stepped into it. >> first, can we have an agreement that campaigns don't have to be two years long? >> three months and done. >> nobody needs it. i think it is like, certainly media is a huge part of this but kamala harris has grown. she is able to defined herself and able to speak with confidence. she is able to laugh and be joyful in a way that is exhilarating--and i've said

this before, for women who have watched other women have to sacrifice so much of themselves to be national figures. god, it is just a thrill to watch someone out there who looks like she is having fun. >> yes. >> who looks like she is relishing this, not solely because of duty but because she wants to be there. and, she goes and talks to people on the campaign trail and enjoys it. that is something, her ability to conduct herself with confidence and ease is something that has come to the forefront in the last four years . experience in washington is denigrated. oh, now you are a swamp creature. you can learn things on the job and maybe, having someone who has learned a couple things is a good prerequisite. >> she would be one of the most experienced ever to take office if she were to win the white

house. we have to talk about her running mate because your first big decision as a presidential candidate is to choose your partner. president obama chose right. you have to choose your body. you have to chose your road dog. he chose joe biden and he was when the most effective vice presidents ever. he gave experience and he made a smart choice. let's talk about coach walz. first of all, he knows how to order a donut. >> he sure does. >> maybe, that should be one of the prerequisites going forward. >> he has a grasp of humanity. if you have not seen the j.d. vance donut shop video, people text me and we played it on alex wagner tonight and people were mad at me. it is worse than a cringe. >> it is almost as painful as him being on the podcast the

gentleman who said, it is a good thing you had that indian mother-in-law to nanny your kids. >> when j.d. vance starts talking about ovulation and menopause i turn the volume down. but, i will say, one of the wonderful things and there are so many about being at the convention, but you can tell what the mood of the convention and what the main speaker will be when they bring out these long signs. thank you, joe was the first night sign. on wednesday, walz was going to speak and they brought out another sign of big hits. i thought it was going to be like a pep rally. he is the governor of minnesota it should've said governor walz or mr. walz, but it was like, coach walz and you could hear marching bands. oh, we are turning this into homecoming.

>> 100%. by the way, when i tell you i think the minnesota delegation is still in the arena, they were not leaving. we were literally, leaving and people were cleaning around them and they didn't want to leave. we are here. we are happy. everyone is gone and they didn't care. >> no music playing. >> they didn't care. they are still there. >> yes. >> will have to talk briefly about the other side because it has been a challenging few weeks or months for trump and vance. they have had a rough time. >> i will say and i think this is a point we need to discuss with our friends and neighbors a lot more. so much energy was spent talking about joe biden's cognitive abilities. if you have listened to donald trump, the man is giving rambling, incoherent answers that very much begs the question if he is still playing with a full deck of cards.

>> 100%. >> that part of the conversation and i'm not trying to be a just. my mom is 80 and she could out debate donald trump in a heartbeat. but, i do think if we are concerned about the mental health and acuity and cognitive skills of the commander of our armed forces and one of the most powerful leaders in the free world, all republicans should have the same conversation all democrats had about how high functioning donald trump is. >> i think it is even more important to have that conversation because you have a group of people from the heritage foundation and from his former administration that have already made plans to run the country. they have already written it down. it is called project 2025. if donald trump is not it is full cognitive capacity then one wonders who would be making policy? who would be making decisions? the answers are obvious, the

ready-made playbook is what we would be living under and that playbook things like getting rid of the department of education, a national abortion ban, renaming the health and services department, the department of life and having handmade menu pick >> which robert f kennedy jr., would some way be attached to in some fashion. that is the reality of what we are staring down. >> are going to have bear carcasses in the white house being served for dinner? that is how the work gets into the brain. >> i keep going back to the cheney thing because i am not a fan of much of what he has done with his life. i think it is so indicative of a party that has shrunk itself and atrophied, to the point that even the staunchest most hard minded conservatives with a c to the word feel like they

have no place. >> absolutely. >> there are huge questions about our two party system, whether we can go on like this and what becomes of the republican party. what are his values? what does it mean to have a two party system when one party is not interested in governance at all? >> and, when it is protected by an arcane college system that cannot win majorities. we have a problem in advancing majority democracy. >> and a supreme court that is run by conservatives. >> it is a lot. this was fun. >> i know we have legal experts like chris and kate shaw coming up. that is a deep tease for later. >> coming up, three iconic women take the stage together for the first time. jen psaki , senator claire mccaskill and andrea mitchell are here with her inside take

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we have three more of your favorite stars. they will be together on stage right now for the first time ever. they will give us an insiders look at the state of this race in the final stretch. one of them worked as a white house press secretary for president biden. one of them won a senate seat as a democrat in place that is very am a very red. and, get this. one of them has covered every presidential election since 1972. please welcome jen psaki, andrea mitchell , and claire mccaskill. >> hello everybody.

hello new york. >> thank you. >> hi everyone. this is such a good crowd. okay. >> thank you guys for having us. okay. so, let me start with you, claire. vice president harris would be historic president on multiple fronts. she doesn't wear that on her sleeve. she didn't wear white the night of her speech. she does not talk often about being the first. what does that tell us about her? you know her well. why is that? >> i think she understands that to be elected president of the united states you first, have to convince the american public that you are qualified to do the job and you are capable of doing the job. and, some things can be left unsaid. if you lead with that it

becomes a topic. she doesn't want the topic to be her gender or whether she is black or whether she is south asian or any of that. she wants the conversation to be about what she can do for you. that is what she wants the conversation to be about. and, the discipline she is showing about doing that, not going there, you do see a lot of pictures, which is not by accident where she is doing off record stops. she stopped for young girls. in the media she is more often talking to young girls. that is sending that message without her having to say a word and in a more effective way. she wants to make sure the american people knows she is ready to go toe to toe with kim jong un. >> yes. you have covered the clinton

campaign very closely. you covered other prominent female candidates. is this a sign of progress? is this a sign of a different strategy? what is it a sign of? >> it is a sign of progress. it is so exciting to me as someone who broke into a business where frankly, i was the only woman in the newsroom in philadelphia, a pretty big town i started out in. and, in this newsroom i only could get the job i working the night shift. i was called copy boy. so, there is a lot that has changed. in our profession, look at the women who are leading our networks. our bosses are women are camera people and all kinds of editors and anchors. the difference in politics has been so profound.

i was a white house correspondent and hillary clinton, by talking so much about gender and perhaps, was not a good tactic for her to emphasize it as much as she did make it possible for kamala harris not to talk about that. the other piece of that is she was so active on the jobs decision. she has been the primary advocate against jobs and for reproductive rights for the administration. >> no question. i have not won a difficult senate race or covering presidential politics since 1972, but when i became the white house press secretary, the first day i was so relieved. it was an honor and it was thrilling and i was so relieved. this wonderful woman texted me and said, you did great. one suggestion, you should look like maybe, you are wearing some makeup when you are out

there. it was not a bad thing and i use it as an example and i want to ask claire this. there are all sorts of pressures on women. are you likable? are you friendly? are you approachable and strong and fears? i will not do the barbie monologue, but you get my just. there are also things that are a lot of work. campaigning is a lot of work on candidates and you have to look good for pictures. what are the things that people are not aware of that are challenging when you are running for high-level office as a woman? >> one of the brilliant things that kamala harris has done is she has adopted a uniform. right? i was always jealous because i couldn't decide, do i wear a suit like they do and a flashy little thai? can i wear pants all the time? do i need to wear a dress? from day one she said it is

pantsuit. >> she rocks a pantsuit. >> it will be a pantsuit all day long. i won't be surprised if she turns up in a pantsuit to the inaugural ball. i think she has figured out that , if we focus on the things that are irritating to us, as women we take up too much energy. like, have you noticed how much she is embracing loving to cook? yes? i mean i love that. you might have noticed i bake. a huge baker. that is a huge progress because back in the day, if you were a woman candidate--when i first started running many years ago i would never have done that. when i was running for da in kansas city i wouldn't even put my children in the picture because i was afraid they would think she was abandoning her

children to be the prosecutor and she is probably, not tough enough. look at the progress we have made. there has been huge progress. we can now cook and bake and we can be commander in chief all at the same time. >> even someone at the pinnacle , we have a supreme court justice and i know her from washington and i know her as a clerk at the court and as a judge and now, a supreme court justice. she write a book about the turmoil she felt because her husband was a medical student and she had two small girls. she was just beginning in her job and had to decide whether she could pick up the kids at school. we all share that whether we have kids or whether we are old or young. we share that, and that is a bond. i have learned that in my profession with women reporters. they are unbreakable if you

respond as people. >> i will tell you, andrea mitchell is the kindest person to other women. >> she is. >> it won't surprise you at all. it is very true. okay, i want to get to some audience questions. i didn't want to ask you about october surprises. it is the things that are unexpected. let's go back into the editorial meetings and rooms because every news organization and every campaign plans for the possible things that can happen. do you see where this is going? andrea, what are the things, as a longtime journalist you are watching for that could or may not happen over the next 60 days? >> just think about the iran hostages and jimmy carter and what happened right before his election. the night before the election

he was out crisscrossing the country and he flew back. i was standing on the south lawn and he came back because they were going to possibly, be released. they were released by a run at 12:01 when ronald reagan had just been sworn in. that was the first possible october surprise. there was access hollywood that was a huge october surprise a couple days before the debate. the debate--the trump campaign tried to trot out all the women who made accusations against him and set them in the front room --role. they wouldn't start the debate until they moved them aside. it created a stir and distraction. there have been a lot of october surprises and this will be a close election. nobody should make a prediction about this. we talk about blue walls and we can talk about 270 and steve kornacki is the expert. he knows better than anyone,

anything can happen here. ask hillary clinton about 11 days before when all of a sudden, we are flying to iowa and they come up with the new laptop and more emails and the fbi director said two days before the election on a sunday night when we are in new hampshire and he says, nevermind, we are wrong. they saw the polls down. >> remember this. remember the acts of hollywood tape came out and we remember where we were at that moment. it was the same day that the u.s. government finally put out the statement that russia was behind the hack. it was the same day. they thought it would change things and it didn't. claire, what are you looking out for? have you run many tough campaigns? what are they red teaming right now? >> if you look at all of the things we just discussed, probably they were not discussed ahead of time and that is why they were

surprises. i don't know that i could guess what the surprises going to be because if i knew what was it wouldn't be a surprise. i would be telling you right now. >> fair. >> i will tell you what i'm holding out for. i am holding out for a philadelphia rally where the warm-up act is beyonci and taylor swift. coming up, chris hayes brought a very special guest to join him on stage. you are watching msnbc live: democracy 2024 . . everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients. leo! [whistling] ever since we introduced him to the farmer's dog, it's changed his quality of life. leo's number 2's are really getting better. better poo, better you! that's a good boy, leo!

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hello guys. hey babe, how are you quick >> i am great. who has our kids? >> kidding. someone has them. so, we are going to talk a little bit about the election coming up, in particular the legal landscape around it. something you have spent a lot of time thinking about it. you have been a practitioner in a previous like--life when you worked in the white house

counsel office. i wanted to start with the question about, how folks that are not necessarily, legal experts, what you are looking for in terms of issue spotting. many things are frivolous and don't amount to anything. but, what are you looking out for in the legal landscape? >> i will think on the outside, margins are everything. we have this idea of a margin of litigation. if an election is close enough in a particular state, litigation could turn it into a w and it could change the outcome. we will be spared having a statement of litigation in 2020. had close outcomes in wisconsin, arizona, and in georgia. thus, we weren't thrown into question in those states. if we have states that are

closer in this cycle i think a lot of the focus will shift to the courts. right now we are seeing some of the groundwork for some of those potential postelection lawsuits being filed around things like absentee ballot returns and the ability to correct a ballot that has an omission or error on it because there is a strong support-- exemption if you file suit after the fact that is a very steep hill to climb to succeed. that is why we assume some of those lawsuits filed will be now. the likelihood of success and potential impact on the national electoral map will determine how close the results are in these critical battleground states. >> let's talk about the notorious donald trump phone call to brad raffensberger in georgia. do you remember that? >> i disapprove of that call. bad call. >> i agree with you.

he said, fellas i just need 11,000 volts. that is a lot of oats. in the case of florida, famously in 2000 that margin was 537 votes or something like that. so, the margin really does matter. what you are saying is if you are in that category if 10,000 volts or even 5000 votes, litigation will not be determined either way. >> it is unlikely. it is the margin and honestly, it is what the legalities look like. this is something i think, especially since the dick cheney announcement, and i've been thinking that there could be this moment of reckoning for the legal profession because we know that donald trump has said very clearly he will not accept any outcomes in which he is not the victor. so, he will bring lawsuits to challenge results in states he loses. we know this.

how plausible those lawsuits will be turned, in part on how close the results are and also, what type of lawyers he is able to assemble. this is a moment when conservative lawyers, republican lawyers could say, you cannot sign on to facilitate an antidemocratic effort, an effort that is a power-play in search of a legal theory. that is when it would be an effort to subvert the results in a state using whatever plausible legal set of claims you could manufacture. you cannot sign on to that and remain a member in good standing of the legal profession. i think that would be a very powerful message. yes. >> this is someone who is saying , we already have enough votes and we don't need anymore. he told dr. phil the other day that if jesus counted the vote in california he would've won california.

i did not make that up. so, his contention is, it is impossible for him to lose. the other thing i want to talk about is you wrote the book review of a great book called, "i let the people choose the president". it is in support of getting rid of electoral college. there are a lot of reasons the electoral college is bad on first principles of democratic grounds and on the fact that huge swaths of the country, every voter in wyoming and california has no say over the electoral outcome. it is bad. but, the rue goldberg machine that is the electoral college is an attractive nuisance. it is like an uncovered swimming pool for donald trump to go play in. because it is a complicated

machinery, there are all sorts of dates and points of intervention which you try to explain last time that will be around again. >> not just because of its anti- democratic nature but because of the deadlines in each state and congress, each of those is a potential vulnerability and an opportunity for exploitation and mischief. i think the democratic deficits are the bigger problem and this is an enormous problem, as well. there has been some reform in the electoral college that somewhat cleans up some parts of this rickety 1887 statute that governs a lot of the process by which we translate votes into the selection of a president. there are still opportunities for exploitation and mischief and that is a huge part of the problem. if we needed another reason to be skeptical of the electoral college and committed to reform it is the susceptibility to exploitation and bad actors is

an important one. >> it also connects to the first point, the way margins matter. the closest election was in 2000 where the national vote gave him the election by 500,000 volts. he lost florida by 500 boats. it is impossible to imagine the loss of a state by 500 boats. but pennsylvania could come down to 1000 volts. you are inviting situation in which the determinative result is within that margin of litigation. you will not end up there. >> it will likely be a very big popular vote victory, whatever happens in the electoral college for president harris. but if it comes down to a state like pennsylvania where we are within a couple thousand votes,

only because of the electoral college could be only be in a position where the courts will be deciding who the next president is. >> that brings us to the first question. this comes from jeffrey from the brox--the bronx. it relates to this, can the supreme court overturned the 2024 election if donald trump loses? how can the constitution transfer the protection of the vote? >> we did see in 2000 the supreme court decided the outcome in that election. there is absolutely precedent for the court deciding the outcome of a close presidential election. i think, as we have been talking about, that only becomes a realistic disability if there is one or two states in which things are close enough for a lawsuit that is lawyered well enough that it has some feasible plausibility

that looks like it could throw into questions the result in that state and then, yes someone to get the case before the supreme court. i think there is reason to be very, very alarmed about what we have seen from the supreme court in the last few years and what would i do if given the power to decide the outcome of a presidential election. >> you don't want to give this group a second to think about that. that seems like a bad idea. this question is from someone in pennsylvania. pennsylvania, your vote counts. we hope they are all registered. she asks us what percentage of the day you both discuss politics? >> what would you say? >> we have a little screen time app that tells us.

a fair amount of time. obviously, the vast majority of what we talk about are the logistics of our children. >> their sports, practices, etc. and then probably, the latest registration data out of pennsylvania. that is next. >> in that order. we do talk about this a lot. >> sometimes, we talk about high politics and low politics. i would say, partisan politics, not much at all. but, high politics, thinking about the nature of the country. >> we were on vacation when the announcement came from president biden that he was going to not pursue the nomination and endorse kamala harris. we did talk about that a little

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in new york city, here are rachel maddow and lawrence o'donnell. o'donnell. >> before the night is over, you will let me twirl you. >> that was not in the rehearsal. >> i forgot to go to the rehearsal. >> it's pretty obvious to everyone here and i have said this publicly, my favorite part of the show happens to be the highest rated part of the show. which is the moment when rachel says good evening to me. which, some of you may have

noticed, i might enjoy a little too much. when i run into fans of msnbc, on the street, somewhere. the first thing that was it to me is, my favorite thing about your show is the rachel maddow hello. >> i get it, it happens to be my favorite and i'm sure they speak for millions when they say that. say that. but, thanks to twitter, there are other views of the handoffs. for example, here is one, this is important, the timing. it was written at 10:04 p.m., so you can imagine the depth of feeling of this particular tweet.

to me. okay? i just cannot watch the handoff i always have to change the channel i cannot watch rachel being taken hostage for umpteen minutes. i just think that side of the audience deserves a fair hearing. >> my favorite thing about the handoff is that i have no clue what you are going to say. ever. you know, there are other shows and there are other handovers and things where i think the producers talk to each other and they say my host is going to ask about this thing coming up on the show or know my host is interested and that does not happen with me and lawrence. so it could be me and your mom are talking about what we're going to do for thanksgiving like okay that's good to know. it could be this thing your

adjusted i have a better guest than you on that, coming up. it could be this thing you said in the a-block which i have forgotten was interesting and i would like to ask some in-depth follow-up questions and i don't remember what it is. so there is, i feel like the one thing to note is do i look frozen in that moment because if you're speaking i feel like the one thing we have worked out between us is if i look like i might be paralyzed, not moving, not blinking, nothing, lawrence knows to keep talking until i come out the other side of the shock and have something to said. we never talked about it before. it's the issue in your relationship that's not going badly so you don't bring it up in therapy because it's not broken. >> we don't have time for this, this is all the stuff we don't have time for. i need a favor.

>> yeah. >> i am in giant trouble with my publisher. i am literally, years behind on the deadline for my next book which will be my third book which no one knows because they're so much distance between the books. people forget. >> a topic or title? >> yes there is a title. so when i am making my excuses to the publisher about well, i have to cover the trump trial and the campaign and all of that, i know that lurking in the background, and they say this out loud. is the fact that in the number of years this book has been overdue, you, you have chosen to produce a couple of giant podcast that are as much work as a book. one of them, steven spielberg

will now turn into a movie. he has a documentary out now and you have produced a book or two in the number of years that have delivered nothing. so my favorite is, rachel would you please stop? >> would you like to write a book together or do a podcast together? we can do that. >> let's do that. if, well now we are getting somewhere. so i was going to say, if you cannot stop because i have suspicion that you can't. could you, do you believe it could ever be possible to teach a guy from dorchester to multitask? >> i mean listen, the reason

that i've been able to get the stuff done that you just so generously described is because i have driven myself down to be a mere husk of a person, whereas you have a full rich life with humans, activities, relatives. lawrence came to my book event by boat. who goes to a thing by boat? he was loading new. i don't do these things, i have nothing in my life. >> i have a question from the audience for your. it is from, from york, pennsylvania. >> hello pennsylvania. >> you know, i apologize for stepping on your question a little bit, getting a little bit of a head start on this question which is how do you decide topics and questions for guests and contributors? my question is how do you decide two days ahead of time?

>> there is no easy answer to that. it is the best part of the job, getting to decide not what exactly to say on a specific income about what to talk about. what counts as the news of the day that you want to say something about, you think you have something to offer, you want to hear from a newsmaker or a guest about and that story selection process to me is the most typical and intellectually engaging and most rewarding part of it. much more rewarding to me and difficult than the actual writing what there is to say. i value the editorial freedom, msnbc is not one of the networks where there is a boss chomping a cigar saying these are six things will cover today and here's how you cover them in your booking my frat brothers. we are not that kind of place, they trust us enough to abide by rules and standards, to make our own decisions about what is

newsworthy, to cover what we want and not what we don't want. that is a blessing. something we are protecting frankly. so yeah, it is the art of what we do, not the science and i love it. >> i try to come to it as late as possible. by the way, so i am a collector of lazy excuses that are legitimate. the first one that i ever had was on my first book that was so long ago, larry king had a radio show. okay? larry king who had the biggest radio show in america was a big deal for a book and it was one minute before going on, a student from washington d.c. turned to me just before we start and says i never read the books. books. it is talk radio. he says you know if i read the books i might think you are too

interesting. he says i have to hear it here, the way they are hearing and that i know how long i want to listen. good evening, he starts and that's the last thing i hear and i think this is genius. the laziest possible choice. >> i don't like to book guests way in advance. it is not a guest to driven show, but i like to pick topics when things occur to me and then when it comes to who comes on the show to talk about it, i think it's magic. how do you persuade a person to come on television and talk about a new story, i have no idea. i don't understand and i'm too afraid to call people so other people have to do the work and i make everybody do it late in the game. >> let's go back to the handoff. we stopped doing it for years, do you remember when we resumed? well, it was a little more important to me. and, as you can tell, everybody

who accuses me of being so needy in those handoffs is under estimating the neediness involved. i got knocked out of the show for four months in 2014. i was in a taxi accident, the backseat and i broke a lot of bones and i cannot walk very long time and i've had to learn to walk again. out of the show, and i finally was coming back and it was so profoundly out of it, i did not know how to do the show anymore. it was really like towing a baby into the deep end of the pool. i had no idea how to come back into this. at the very last minute, the very last minute i said, ask rachel to say good evening to me tonight and this miraculous thing happened because i was in the studio in la and rich was in new york and she did that thing. you have all seen, good evening

lawrence. and i who was completely, really disoriented to the point where i was not sure that i could get to the first commercial. i was not sure i could get through this weirdness of coming back to the show. rachel said good evening, she started talking to me. the one thing that i knew that i knew how to do was talk to rachel. so we talked and, she really was, you don't know this and i have never said this, but what she was really doing in this astonishingly maternal way, that using a power she did not know she had or was using in the moment. she was reaching down to that little boy and picking him up off the floor, into his high chair. which was a high chair

because i couldn't actually sit. i had to sort of lean. and saying, it's going to be okay, you can do this. and so, yeah, it means a lot. >> so, so the next tonight, the next night i said tell rachel to say good evening to me. me. she has been stuck for 10 years now. >> whatever you do in your life, whatever you do for work, whenever organizing principle you have that involves other people in your life, first of all make sure you have something in your life that involves other people. even if you work alone, some aspect of your life has to have regular engagement with other people that you look in the eyes. if you are lucky enough to have colleagues who are mutually supportive, mutually respectful,

brilliant and kind, even in difficult circumstances and even when you disagree, never let that person go. >> rachel maddow gets tonight's last word. >> coming up this hour, taking your questions and getting a behind the scenes look at covering politics and culture on msnbc. but for, the hosts of the weekend break down what they are watching this election cycle. stay with us.

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good to see you. >> can they hear me now? all right, yes. how did you get in the middle? >> what's up? how is everybody doing? >> this is late, this is usually the time, what time is it where my husband is like you need to wrap it up and get home. >> i am just usually starting at this time so we are good. >> very problematic since we go to work at the same time. i don't know if you know this, they have been working on this special about black women in the country and women that are black as voters and they refer the switch from biden to harris as the switch that's what young black women across the country, they said since the switch and we were like what switch? and we were at the nail shop. we found out at the nail shop, the switch at the top of the

ticket. since the switch voters are thinking, really expansively about what they will do in the election. black women chief among them will make a difference in the margins because that's where this will be won or lost. our special you can watch on msnbc on sunday, september 29 at 9:00 p.m. mark your calendars. the reason i bring it up is because i think it opens for a lot of different demographics. i focus a lot on the latino vote as we know will be huge in arizona and nevada, but it's also going to play a big role in pennsylvania, wisconsin, in north carolina and georgia. to your point not the same brochure as arizona or nevada, but this is going to be an election played and won on the margins. something happen with latino voters when there was the switch which is when it was biden and trump there were a

lot of latino voters who did not like their choices. with harris at the top of the ticket numbers have changed, normalized, they are not at the 2020 levels of support for biden, nowhere near obama levels and a lot of folks look at it and say why, what's happening? a few things are happening, i think number one, important to recognize the majority of latinos will vote for democrats. there is also some softness and openness to donald trump, our colleague has a great book coming out about this, highly recommend where she dives into the cultural stuff. at the end of the day in focus groups it comes down to the facts that they see him as a businessman and the image of him, it is indelible and intractable and they know what they think about him. so the new information is going to be about what he is going to

do in a second term with the new information about her. there is still a lot of voters who want to know more about kamala harris and you can see her campaign is doing that, out on the trail, talking about her agenda, she just did that radio interview and they're going to have to go out and play hard for the votes. you have advocated for, if you show up for voters that will show up for you. >> we put together an amazing array of coalitions in the 2010 cycle and the irony today is that then because obama care, the affordable care act was a major portion of the conversation, there was a conversation about individual right to choose and to make choices for healthcare and here we are today, my party sitting saying you don't have the choice when it comes to your own body and health care. for me, that is one area where coalitions which we have begun

to see forming in places like kansas and ohio where republican women are not aligned with their party on this issue which is why you can see the harris team making a concerted effort in the national bus tour to have that personal one-on-one conversation with this emerging coalition of voters around that issue. also around a number of issues you mentioned before, that don't have a partisan tag attached to them. why? because we have not done policy in a long time until the biden era where we got in for structure, we got inflation down and a number of other issues. by the way, republicans signed off on that as well. they were part of the vote. it was a bipartisan deal. >> which again says a lot about this president's ability to lead

and the way he has led has been, from my perspective, as someone who mucks around in politics was good. he was good at it. i'm going to throw it to you, but this way. one of the aspects of this, i know, right? one of the aspects of this coalition thing that's amusing is that trump has been playing the black you can do many with black sneakers and menthol cigarettes. this is the direct appeal to black men. what i keep trying to tell republicans now, as i told them in 2010 and 2009. that brothers going to be fine until he gets home. and all of a sudden he's not going to be standing there looking at donald trump going i'm with him. my point is, that's not how you build a coalition.

and the fact that you think so little of our community and the black and brown community, to think that so we're going to vote and why we're going to vote for you. >> the outreach, if we can even call it outreach, the outreach that the trump campaign has done for communities of color and women, the outreach done to his base, his outreach definitely demonstrates that he things very little of those individuals because voters in my opinion not only want, but deserve a high-level conversation on the issues that are confronting them. which is why i started about child care. it is a huge issue across the country. when folks are in the polling and they say people feel like the economy is going in the wrong direction, when you break it down and look at the cross

tabs or focus groups and you have these conversations people are saying that affordability, housing, talking about the ability to not have to work so many jobs are extra hours to enjoy the things they want with their family. they're talking about child care. the rent is too high, the housing is unattainable. so they want policies to do something about that and you would not know that's what the voters want in these demographics unless you talk to them and you do the outreach. my notes that i brought with me. i don't like the polls. i don't like national polls. i'm not here for polls of registered voters because registered voters are not likely voters. i don't even like polls of likely voters because the voter registration boom that has happened since the switch is astronomical. there is data from 38 states and let me give you the numbers. young people are surging,

during the week a week about a month ago one month ago in 2020 voters under 30 were 28% of new registrants. same week in 2020 for that increased 57%. that's crazy. that's crazy. hispanic women numbers are going off the charts for women under the age of 30, quadrupled in louisiana and maryland. and iowa and vermont, north carolina, nebraska. these are numbers that make a difference. at people get registered to vote in the short amount of time to me that says they are primed and ready to participate. >> thank you all so much. >> thank you guys. a lot of fun. good to see you. >> we need to get these pictures for the show. my chair was very comfortable. he was having quite a time. it was good, i loved it. it. lo,

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every person in this country deserves to be financially secure, socially free, physically safe and you have a chance to talk about the american dream because every american deserves to pursue the american dream. >> we have seen the polling, the economy seems to be the number one issue. latest jobs report was not the best, was not the worst, where do you see the state of the economy today? >> it's always about the economy, people vote with their pocketbook. millions of americans want to say i'm not a money person i don't want to talk about money or think about money, but we need to because it's hugely important. how is the economy now? here's the thing. where they are a country of 330 million people. there is not one economy, your entire family is not facing the same economic picture, but for

the most part we are really good. think about where we were. covid is like childbirth, you know how the human body forgets what it's like to give birth, we forget what it was like during covid. it was an economic disaster for this country and the world. we have had a extraordinary recovery, businesses have been built, we are out hiring, wages are up, it has been a great recovery, compared the united states to every other developed country, we have a better economic recovery. inflation is real and i can tell you, but wages are up. when you get a raise you credit yourself, you got a raise because you are great at your job, but when everything costs more you blame the government, that's human nature. the problem with inflation is we see it in every element of our life. for young people trying to rent an apartment, for people trying to buy their first home it has been brutal, because the jobs picture is slowing, we are not in a bad situation but because

it is slowing we will get the interest rate cut which will relieve things a little bit. the problem politically with inflation is that if you and i went out to dinner right now and we got a burger and two years. >> you drink beer? >> our bill might be 90 bucks and the problem is we would talk about that for the next 15 minutes. and that is why americans do not feel good about the economy. >> recently vice president harris put out a proposal, a lot was popular, a certain grant for starter business, but it seems that she was penalized for her specificity whereas donald trump said i won't cut taxes and that's it. and we have price control and is a socialist takeover, seems like everyone ran with the narrative, it's hard for democrats to speak about that because it seems as the more they put out, the more they get attacked. >> immigrants need to stop

apologizing. and just own it. but the media needs to do a significantly better job at how we are covering it. ing it. i do not, i don't have a political background, i have a business background. i would love nothing more than for both parties to put out actual policy proposals. here is what stunning, her plan is more pro-business, is more centrist than president biden, but what's truly twisted his people are not taking the time to see that. when people really just say she super progressive, what they are really saying is she is a black woman because that's the only thing they are saying. say and they are assuming that because she is a black woman she's going to want xyz.

because she's a black woman, that's amazing but it has nothing to do with her economic policies, what they are going to be and everyone should take a look because the tariffs, donald trump says i am here to cut your taxes, the greatest tax height we will see is if we have unilateral tariffs on everything. the last time we saw his big tariffs we ended up needing a farmer package. >> let's talk about vice president harris for a second, she is different from president biden, she has strong connections with silicon valley. it seems that wall street is at least more open to her that perhaps president biden. >> 80 ceos came out endorsing her. right? now remember, for big business, they are not super political, they want to sell product and they don't want to be in it, they don't want chaos. they want stability.

the unpredictability we will get with a donald trump president is something the majority of business people are not looking for. there is a huge portion of the country saying this is not working for me, i want change. if you are the person over here and it is all working you are saying i want to keep things just as it is. that's not great for the country but that's why we see that. i want to make the point, when you hear people say i'm not so crazy about donald trump, but from a business and economic perspective, from an economic perspective we are in a very strong position. joe biden is presiding over a very good economy. economy. and i invite you to take a look at the specific business people who are backing donald trump because what that is, in my opinion, are people saying it does not matter what he will do

to the overall economy, but how can donald trump presidency serve me in my business? remember, not all regulation is good, but smart relation is good. if you run a business with no regulation and you get a tax cut, that's like candy, that sounds great. you have to pay for it somewhere. i will remind anybody when donald trump says we will cut taxes and extend the corporate tax cut, donald trump ballooned the deficit and the one he said over and over i will cut corporate taxes again. he has yet to articulate how he will pay for them and at some point you've got to pay the bills. >> msnbc live: democracy 2024 will be right back after this. slush

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tonight. civics and journalism ideally should be participatory. >> it has been a very busy year of legal challenges for former preisdent trump four criminal cases being found guilty on 34 counts with sentence pending justly until next november 26 after the election and there is a residential election in the balance. here to talk about all of that are the stud msnbc legal eagles the host and former lead prosecutor attorney congratulations. >> how you doing?

how are you doing? >> look at this guy. >> thank you this is awesome, have a seat. thank you so much, thrilled to be with you. how are you? >> i was waiting to do the mosh pit. >> while we have some time left in the evening. will talk about the trump cases and a lot of other things, i thought i would ask a question i have heard you ask us. how did you get here, what are you doing here? he is a series prosecutor and i will say even though we hear from andrew and other great lawyers a lot, they spend most of their careers avoiding any comment whatsoever. you made a big jump and i will send many of you know, 50 cent said. >> really, this in? >> i let my car talk for me,

let my watch talk for me, hi, what up shorty? by which he meant he did not to say much. he led his success or work to the talking and that's what andrew did for many years in government as a prosecutor. in this brooklyn district we are in as general counsel of the fbi. and we would call in, check facts and ask you never get comments from anyone so how did you go from that quiet mode of work to what you do now? >> we used to say that the press person had the best job ever. being paid a full salary to say two words. no comment. >> when i left the mohler probe and i was going to the private sector one, i had seen so many people try to translate what was going on inside to an external audience.

i thought having had that experience, i might be good at it, and it might be useful, on a personal level, having been vilified by the maga right, i thought it might be useful for people to make their own judgments based on who i actually am. rather than a caricature. >> i have a question for you, how did you become so adept at quoting musical lyrics as we just saw? >> we have a couple questions from all of you. i went to garfield high school in seattle, that is jimi hendrix high school. i met some of you out there. we are all really into hip-hop and they had a big marching band, jazz band, the grunge and rock scene and i have always been interested in words and writing so the lyrics came naturally. i have always quoted lyrics in my life, but for most of my

life it was seen as quirky or annoying. >> guess what. >> maybe it still is, maybe it still is, but back in the day i would do that in school and i would be in class and i would be like it's like everyone would stop. i do have friends from school or like we did give you time on that but it did not stop you, you kept being yourself. now it is a thing because when we had senator booker on and it was a relatively serious newsday, at the end of the interview i said thank you for coming on because there are different moments. we don't always have to be dead series, but it was one of those days. at the end of the interview he goes no lyrics at all? okay now i'm going to turn us, i'm turning us to the law.

let's start with donald trump tried to overthrow and still an election that he lost and is now running again and we have seen the legal system work in some ways and falter in others. if trump wins the election we all got the refresher about how a sitting president is in charge under doj rules so people remember. if he loses then you expect him to go on trial in d.c. for the attempted overthrow. >> absent the supreme court where it was sort of 6-3, 5-4, tony barrett is someone to keep your eye on because she did not go along with all the outrageous parts of the decision. really interesting. showing, in my view in terms of good faith dealing with the

issues. the big issue that will remain is how much the supreme court continues to mess up that case. if donald trump does not win, the case goes forward and it will go back to the supreme court, however, before there is a trial. there will be a second bite at the apple on that and i am confident that the judge is not going to dismiss the case on his own. no way. ultimately, ultimately, if he does that, eventually donald trump will take that to the supreme court to evaluate. in a world where donald trump has lost, you can only hope that the supreme court, that there are not five justices to continue doing what we have seen. i am not the only legal analyst that was shocked at the

decision. the presidential immunity. >> i will add i think people have felt passion and fear, anger, a lot of questions about what kind of republic we are in the maga era. my basic overview is that, it's worse than you thought, but better than it looks. on a lot of key questions including donald trump's many efforts to overthrow the election. a very similar court said no to that and did not want to go as far as actively stealing elections, they will apparently try to politically help him and some of them enrich themselves to take gifts and all these problems. but they did not go that far. so i get a lot of questions about this campaign season and i think of it is a close outcome we can expect a lot of the appeals and lawsuits. if either candidate wins by

several states, biden winning by three, the president would not suggest the supreme court will become a dictator court with five minutes left we have a couple questions. >> one is from karen in seattle. it says coming from a city like seattle, is a progressive place. how do you think we can bridge the gap between somebody polarized regions in our country? since we have two minutes obviously i have a solution and then we will be good. and from athens, georgia, what is your election night playlist? i think polarization and people living in different pseudo- realities is a growing problem. but it is also one we have had for a long time. we have had worse periods of racial division, political violence. if you show up at a rally and

they have a jersey and you have the opposite i don't know how much bonding you're going to do, but where life is lived, in your parent's association or school or community if you listen and talk back and forth a lot of people still want to learn about each other and engage in the fax. i have optimism and that's part of it but not the full solution. and on the playlist, my honest answer is when i get ready to go to work i usually go further the highest energy high tempo rap music. so, rick ross, classic jay-z, i listen to a lot of music i love reggae, classic rock 'n roll. we have had graham nash from crosby, stills and nash. election night or any big night for me i was fine music works better than caffeine.

so if i put on the right song i get a natural live for a little while and none of the crash of caffeine. andrew, technically they have given you one minute and five seconds for anything you want to close out with. >> i was hoping the question would not be about playlist, but what kind of gin you will be drinking. and, whether you are shaken or stirred, all of us or twist of lemon, you know the big downside of msnbc, and i know this is a little secret, but no drinking. so. so obviously if you are doing the coverage on election night, and there are no legal issues, then i will have my own form of a playlist. a playlist. >> there you have it. joining me in thanking andrew.

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i think it is important that we are all here now and doing the work for a democracy in the future. >> nobody can afford to not be engaged right now. >> that is a wrap on msnbc live democracy 2024. thanks to everyone who attended in person and for those of you at home. we will see you at the next one. we have got great praise for the debate. >> he decisively lost. >> they