the lieutenant headed up a new investigation team that took a fresh look at the case.>> either someone will tell us something finally or it will be through digital evidence. phone records, computer records or something like that. >> reporter: for melvin's family, only partial justice has been served. >> i will not give up until we know everybody that was involved and what that person needs to understand, it will be a lot easier on them if they come forward instead of the police having to find them. >> i would say, the clock is ticking. >> you are coming? >> we are coming and we ain't giving up. strike that is all for this edition of dateline. i am craig melvin. thank you for watching.

he still easily beat mitt romney. so i would guess that the harris campaign understands that as good as things went last night, the race is far from over. there is still time. . >> the polling we have is within the margin of error in all of the key states. we have a modern tutrition dating back to kennedy. it hat matters, the biden debate determined the race. we like the idea of two people going back and forth. on tiktok people have been resurfacing the old debates and they look calmer and more

respectful now compared to what trump has done in lowering the bar. our colleagues are mengsing a 9/11 memorial event. there is a line from a country song, the line from the gutter to you ain't up. and we have people look at the reality of what we have been through. and then trump at the debate, obviously shows these problems. the other thing i was thinking of. we try to make sure we fact check and go to the source on msnbc. i have had cory ledowsky, steven miller, i had steven bannon back in the day. lieuen dowsky is back in the fold. they are part of the let trump be trump crowd. he loves that. and when it race is tight, there

are a lot of republicans who think that is the last mode they need now. >> there is a lot of talk out there on the trump right that the media is biassed and trump is running around talking about how he won the debate, 86-3, and 92 to 3% and a certain host on fox news going wow, wow that's great, donald. but very quickly, you had the wall street editorial page letting trump out yesterday. today, henninger, a mainstay of the conservative editorial page, as well as carl rogue, both excoriate donald trump. henninger said he was incapable, trump was incapable of explaining his positions. let me read you carl rogue. there is no putting lip stick on

this pig. trump was crushed by a woman that he previously dismissed as dumb as a rock which raises the question, what does that make him? >> well, there you go, couldn't have said it better. >> carl rogue's words, not mine. >> something i would never have thought myself capable of saying. i think the let trump be trump crowd, he has not a policy wong. he has gotten far without there. there is a crew running campaign ads that are racist and xenophobic but are effective in their own weird way. they are about crime and immigration. they are disciplined in a dark way. he is not disciplined even in a way that that dark group would like him to be. if you are on the trump campaign, you are watching him

go back to the same playbook, bringing laura loomer along with him, being a conspiracy theorist. even the springfield, ohio attacks on eating dogs which is funny and bizarre but it also has the same strategy. he is trying to make immigrants, anyone who is a person of color, anything other than a white conservative be scary. that is his objective. that's the same playbook for him. that's not enough to win more votes. and he needs more votes to win the elections. >> we have more to get to this hour. morning joe continues after a short break. g joe continues aft short break. probably the same way you know if a t-rex is chasing a jeep wrangler... is getting away. yep! or if it takes you places that make you say, woah. and their hair looks like this. or someone says, the doors come off. then you just know what it was. what it is. and what it always will be. because when you're an original,

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welcome back to morning joe weekend. let's pick back up on the conversation we were just having before the break. >> let's bring in our nbc national affairs analyst and

columnist at puck. what is the vice you are picking up from inside the trump campaign? we are seeing this report, private sources saying he was terrible the other night, this is the worst we have seen him, his performance is bad. hosts and republicans on fox news are saying there is no way to spin this, he was terrible. the wall street editorial saying the same thing. is there anyone around him at this point who can say, if the idea is to win a general election, what you did the other night is not helping, in fact it is hurting your chances. >> i think there are some who have said that and they are both hanging on a thread with their job right now. before he came out in the spin room the other night, you saw a bunch of surrogates come out who looked like they had their pets eaten by this mythological and racistrope of haitian immigrants

and matt gaetz and people, the great debate prepper of our time, tulsy gabbert, the team of gabbert and gaetz which was making a big mark going forward. but who was not out there? donald trump came out about the hour mark. we had seen donald trump come to the spin room and try to get people to forget. the very first one in 2016, he was out there in 5 minutes. he has tried to own the spin room in the past. but the hour long gap was crucial because he watched coverage for an hour. the word from back stage in the aftermath of that is the vibes between him and avittawiles was not positive. i will ask you around the table. how many people on the table think he is blaming himself for

his debate performance? zero. donald trump is to blame. it is a miracle that we made it through the summer without firing his campaign manager. he fired one in 2016 and 2020. it is a miracle. when one of them goes and i would bet they will be out within the next couple of weeks, it will be because trump blames them for having made him do the debate with biden in june which he now thinks was a mistake. if he had done it after the convention, he would have had this moment with joe biden that he would have beaten and biden wanted an early debate and why did we give it to them? it gave them the opportunity to switch. and he blames that on his staff, the professionals. >> if you are really into it, you know these folks but they are not as tv famous as some of

the other trump figures but they are the current management. >> and let me say, they are the ones who are running a more professionalized campaign. when the campin was not secured after the 2022 midterms, a lot of people were saying desantis and trump has to go away. but those people stuck with trump who were more professional and helped to solidify the nomination and they got a lot of credit. . >> so this is a little inside baseball, what you think the play is. lewandowski was brought back on and insists it was not pubic staffing but it seems leak a reversion to 2016 which willie geist famously call ded the

ltbt. it would seem going super trump is not what he needs to do in the last eight weeks. >> you are forgetting that 2020 has passed. >> i did forget, thank you. >> i say that for donald trump's psyche. donald trump still believes he won the 2020 election. this is not -- donald trump said that if jesus christ came back -- i mean jesus in florida, imagine that in 2000. i think he has gone over to the other side. if you believe that you won the 2016, 2020, the election was stolen from you, the notion that the will of whatever, the will

of the people, the will of maga, god, whatever is on your side, trump is not a complex thinker. he is a mollusk. we go center, we go upside down. i will say about biden back stage, when they were not that great, a lot of nervousness and glowering among them. the vibes are high with cory right now. he is ruling the roost now. his let trump be trump, he is telling trump what he wants to hear. all of these people, you know this is true, trump is not a grudge holder. if you suck up, whatever. if you come back and kiss the ring, he will let you back in. cory understands that the way to stay inside, whether that is 8

weeks, 8 months, 8 years, is just to tell donald trump, sir, these guys have steered you wrong. i understand that when you want to do what you want to do. >> he has a nostalgia for the original crew and gives them the benefit of the doubt. steve bannon has been from federal prison. >> jen psaki, let's talk a little bit about the trump campaign. you know a lot about being on the inside of these operations. >> not quite like this one. >> not that one, unfortunately, but in name only. we togged about let trump be trump. but let's remember the only time trump won a general election was in the last two weeks he wasn't

donald trump. the one time in his entire career where he was disciplined, he shut up and let kellyanne conway and steve bannon tell him, stick to the speech and stay off twitter and you can win. a lot of things went his way and he did win. that is the issue here. when trump is left to his instincts may help him in his republican primary but we have yet to see that in a general election. >> no question. there is the revision nostalgia that is going on in trump's mind. he won in 2016 in his mind, what did he do in 2016? he did a lot of this fear mongering, zeen phobic scaring people around the country. there may be some slight discipline, i may quibble with that a little bit because the bar is so low. so if you are trump, you are

thinking, i know how to win. i don't need to expand it. and the people who have been working on his campaign as john hielenman and others have mentions, they know this. they look at the data. and his going back to nostalgia and focusing on the base is not going to expand it to the degree he needs to win. at the same time, if you are him, you also look at this and the race is essentially tied. these swing states, it's tied and within the margin of error. he may convince himself that i won in 2016, i won in 2020, and i can keep doing the playbook and i will win. i think that is far from a sure bet and the lack of discipline means there is space for harris to grow and expand her support and defeat him in november. coming up, our next guest is looking at the qualities that t

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author of a recent pook, hit them where it hurts, how to beat republicans at their own game. mr. secretary, i would like to start with you. how concerned are you about safety and security for the upcoming election? and i would say especially since donald trump seems to be throwing some gasoline on the fire of lies? >> well, first, thanks for having me. we have concerns of the threats. election officials across america are working for federal, state, local law enforcement to coordinate a response that will be appropriate. we will keep our voters safe and keep our elections and officials safe. our voting will continue in the unblemished manner it has inspite of the lies, inspite of the conspiracy theories, and inspite of the threats. >> the former president suggested that those who work against him including election officials, he would arrest and

imprison for a very long time. give us your level of concern of the danger of that rhetoric for people like you in office and poll workers and others out there trying to do their part to help democracy. >> this is the unfortunate part of what we are hearing in the jib jib gibber gabber space. i was on that same ballot that the individual lost in 2020. so we have that in common except that i peacefully transferred my power of office to another. what we are hearing is not appropriate to this democracy or republic and i think the voters will respond appropriately. >> rachel, using your frame that we are not aggressive enough at playing the game the republicans play, i mean there are some things we should be doing, obviously, a lot of things we don't want to do. >> right. >> in this context of election

interference, what do you think is the strongest position that we should be taking not just to make sure that the elections are safe and secure but in some ways more importantly sending the message to independent and swing voters that they need to be with the democratic party because this stuff is important to us? >> i'm excited to see the shift the party made in terms of bringing the electorate up to thed spoochlt everyone knows the pressures coming at election officials with trump's daily content and crazy stuff. but in the broader public, this is not something that everyone is talking about. they don't consume the mrit news. we are all politico with with this natural interest. but instead of the strategy of trying to persuade people on small points of policy, we become messengers. we have to bring the people up to speed. this is no longer a party that

will lower your taxes and be good on national defense. and they are coming for your individual liberty which is so new in the country. i'm sitting with a civil rights icon in the rev here. he knows how hard fought the freedoms were and they were all on the chopping block at this point. the message that adrian used in 2022 is the appropriate message we are using now. this is your moment, america. every generation is called for a moment . or not every but the lucky ones are called up to do something in the moment. and this is our moment. >> how concerned are you about in georgia i they are trying to have a law where the county can decide whether they can certify an election or not with any frivolous allegation that there was voter fraud. how concerned are you on a state and county to undermine the

ability to hit emwhere it hurts? >> we get bogged down on what there is to do. but i want people to understand that we are in the position right now where it is in jj where we have the position to do that because we blocked them in the midterm effect. they don't hold michigan's governorship or pennsylvania or wisconsin. without those three states, they really are ham strung in terms of what they can do with rejecting the election because of that. it goes to show the work we did yesterday matters for today. >> mr. secretary, final word to you, is there anything the average citizen can do to safe guard this? >> the critical thing is to vote. learn the rules, register and vote. when most americans vote or when more eligible americans vote , we get a truer sense of democracy. when that happens, the people

win. i think the sitivism is too weak. the bad guys are looking for us to be divided and to have lost the civic faith we should have ipone another and that means they want us to stop voting. so everyone should be registered and voting. that's the one way that all americans can help us protect our democracy. >> arizona secretary of estate and rachel, thank you both. coming up we will talk to mark leebovich about his new piece in the atlantic with the head line, hippocaccuracy, spinelessness, don't go away. l, spinelessness, don't go away trains that use the power of dell ai and intel. ♪ to see hundreds of miles of tracks. ♪ [vroom] [train horn] [buzz]

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and they said just the other day, the attorney general, we are looking at russia. and i said oh, no, it's russia, russia, russia all over again. but they don't look at china and they don't look at iran. they look at russia. i don't know what it is with poor russia. but you know what? russia would have never have happened if i were president, attacking ukraine. >> well, you promised to wake up out nato so probably. >> donald trump in wisconsin, just another saturday. dismissing the justice

department's recent warning about russia trying to interfere in the 2024 election. >> and again, more lies because they are talking about iran. they are talking about iran trying to interfere in the election. they are talking about china. mark, you have a new piece in the atlantic called the hypoaccuracy and spinelessness of donald trump. >> this piece sort of charts -- we have talked a lot about donald trump's ability to turn a lot of weak republicans to his side, even though they all know better. i sort of look back on when donald trump was talking to people like us. i spent a lot of time with him in 2016. one thing i was struck by then and continue to be struck by is

how boastful he was not so much about his ability to win and his great skill and everything but how he was going to turn the republican party to his will. he was going to break the republican party as he said to me, i'm going to roll them over. they may say bad things about me now, but wait a few years and they will basically be eating out of the palm of my hand which is of course 100% what has happened with the people who were supposedly going to have the conservative guard rails in place to stop a guy like donald trump, back starting in 2016. what we have seen obviously since then has been a finer and finer kind of reduction of the republican party into the essence of trumpism. i sort of charted the journey of trumpism from 2016 through the summer and the republican convention up to today.

and hopefully it will be a prologue to give a view of what the republican party has done in service to donald trump and dereliction to everything it stood for before. >> i was talking to john mccain in february of 2017 in his office. and he just shook his head about lindsey graham. because the thing that john mccain's comments brought home to me was how small of a price he had to pay to get people to sell their political soul. and john mccain said, lindsay, what that guy will do for a round of golf for the president. >> yeah, thank you for being on this morning. joining us now is president amaritous on the council of foreign relations, author of the weekling newsletter at home and away. >> richard, we have much to talk about. i will start with the new york

giants. how are you feeling today? >> that was harsh. >> it it has been a long season already but the good news is 16 weeks to come, 3.5 hours a week. i have just freed up 50 hours this fall. i'm trying to think of what i can get accomplished. >> how much did the giants pay for dan jl jones? >> about $40 million a year plus or minus. >> i mean you may get a couple of first downs out of that. donald trump talking about russia, russia, russia. they have influenced or election, they did in 2016, tried to in 2020, trying to again. but donald trump lies. that's just what he does. because he says that is all they are focused on is russia. actually no, we are worried, are we not about iran, we are worried about china. we are worried about north korea. we are worried about a variety

of countries who are trying to interfere with our election. >> the answer is we should be worried because they are trying. to some extent, they will succeed. the lesson i take from this is we are an open society, we are vulnerable, our adversaries, enemies will try to exploit that. we have made the clear in this country that we will not police the space, congress and courts have made that clear. congress is not doing much. it is on consumers and readers, whether we will be more critical. we are worried about what we do to ourselves. let's put aside what we americans do to ourselves. it is this the new political

environment in which the politics take place. we are vulnerable to misinformation on steroids. >> so let's turn to the middle east. a lot of developments over the weekend. some more violence in the west bank. we have soldiers killed and we also had a woman who has american turkish citizenship killed during a protest reportedly by an israeli soldier. we are protests throughout israel again throughout tel aviv. i sense the cease fire deal is further apart than it has been in a while. what's your reading? >> cease fire deal i don't think is going to happen. it is clear that neither the israeli government or hamas wants it. the united states has been pushing for 11 months. the negotiations, what really doesn't matter is the mediator. we are the mediator. if the parties wanted a deal,thy could get it tomorrow. the answer is it is not a priority for either side. even if we got a deal, i don't think it would last. the israelis are not going to completely pull out of gaza. if tomorrow, they got intelligence that they could kill sinwar, they would act on that. if hamas tomorrow got an opportunity tomorrow to kill israelis, they would do it.

i do not understand why we are pushing so hard for it. it violates the law that the united states can't want an agreement more than the parties. and what scares me more than anything, it is not that gaza will continue as a low-level conflict for along time but we are seeing the gazaification of the west bank. we are seeing militia west bank who have eclipsed the palestinian authority. what we are seeing in gaza, we could see it in the west bank. that could be the changing normal and that worries me. >> recklessness on both sides in the west bank for sure. we heard from director burns over the weekend and negotiations will resume but u.s. officials telling me that they feel both sides keep moving goal posts, hamas and israel. it doesn't seem like a deal is in the offering any time soon. we have been waiting for weeks for iran to decide whether to

retaliate for israel and to see if a deal would be struck. it looks like now a deal will nut be struck. does that mean israel, u.s., allies should be back on alert for iran to retaliate or has that ship sailed? >> the line that revenge is a dish best served cold, there is no timeline. i think there will be a form of retaliation. will it be an assassination, a for tat, this could happen at any time, any way. it is up to the iranians to decide when they feel the books have been balanced. the israelis will have decide how to respond to that. they managed a potential escalation. i think the question is if they can manage and we will see. >> president emeritous on the

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donald trump's outspoken niece is back revealing even more personal stories of what she calls her family's deep, dysfunction. in her new book, who could ever love you, a family memoir, mary l. trump details how her father freddy endured years of insults from his younger brother donald trump and his father fred trump senior. mary describes how that abuse decimated her father's confidence and set him down a path leading to his death at age 42, following a struggle with alcohol. mary l. trump joins us now.

i guess we will start there, thank you for coming on the show. fred trump senior, you describe him as a sociopath incapable of loving anyone? >> yes, first of all, it is wonderful to be here, thank you for having me. fred trump was as i say, straight up sociopath and i mean that diagnostically, not cloakualy. they had five children and i think you could describe every one of them as a destroyed human being. we see this with donald, the result of growing up in a family that didn't have any love, that had no real affection. and a family in which honestly, money was the only currency. so the ethose of the family was the more you have, the more you are worth in every sense of the

word. >> and good to point out for those who don't know it, you have a degree in psychology, right? >> yes, i have a phd in clinical psychology. >> does that help you give insight into what you were seeing? because as a younger person, it must have been very confusing. >> actually, as a kid, it is normal. it is what our families are. >> it is what you knew. >> families are closed systems and it is hard to see what goes on in other people's families to compare. it wasn't until i sat down to write my first book that i started thinking of my family through the lens of a clinician. and it was very revelatory. i don't think it helped me in any particular way but it helped i think other people make sense of what was going on. >> so tell us a little bit more if you would about the relationship between your father and donald trump. there have been moments where

the former president has spoken about his brother even with a degree of emotion or loss there. but you say the relationship was deeply tortured. >> yeah, honestly, they were so many years apart, that they didn't really grow up together. my dad was almost eight years older. because he was the oldest son and the namesake, the burden was on him. so for many years, the younger children, were ignored by my grandfather. so donald had the benefit of watching how my grandfather placed all of the earnest on my dad to be the man who would take over the empire and fail. so he saw how my dad got dismantled as soon as my grandfather realized that freddy was not going to cut it, whatever that meant in my grandfather's point of view. it was not until much later when

donald sort of leap frogged my dad to be the president of trump management after my dad worked there for 11 years and my dad fell away because of his illness and perceived illness and donald took over the mantle. and their relationship became more of the conquered and the conqueror. there was never any competition. my dad didn't see donald as competition. he was so much younger and knew what his role was supposed to be. it wasn't until the end of my dad's life that it became obvious. >> speaking of donald, is there one incident, you have written about this, about him that was kind of a tell of where he was, anything as a young person? >> yeah, he never seemed interested in other people. it was all about what he was

doing, his accomplishments, his successes or his perceived accomplishments i should say. he was very much the same person then as he is now. >> the title, who said this? >> that was actually from my first piece of hate mail which i got when i was in fifth grade. it was some anonymous parent had their child write a letter to my mom about what an awful person i was. i don't know who wrote it. >> why did you make it the title of the book? >> that is sort of how i grew up. i grew up feeling that i was not lovable, that i was not worthy of my place in the world, pretty much like everyone else in the family, although i didn't know it at the time, i felt i had to justify, find ways to justify my existence but unfortunately, all of us were doing it to people who didn't care.

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sunday morning. we have a lot to get to. let's dive right back into some of the week's biggest stories. that was the roar from the 17,000 person crowd when she took the stage. the vice president highlighted her strong debate performance and told the crowd it is time for the country to move on from donald trump. >> on tuesday night i talked about issues that i know matter to the families across america, like bringing down the cost of living, investing in america's small businesses, protecting reproductive freedom, and keeping our nation safe and secure. but, that's not what we heard from donald trump.

instead, you know what i called it at the beginning of the debate, it was the same old show. same old tired playbook we've heard for years, with no plan for how he would address the needs of the american people. well, folks, look, it is time to turn the page. turn the page. >> prior to greensboro, the vice president spoke to 7500 voters at an event in charlotte, where people began gathering in line hours before. drone is now, senior spokesperson and advisor for the harris campaign, adrienne elrod. great to have you on the show. i want to get your response to

donald trump, when he was announcing that augustine is going to be no more debates. that was really quick. two days later, no debates, not doing it. they couldn't wait a week to maybe try to put some space between it. he does not want to do it again. i am curious. he says he won. >> he says he won. he says a lot of things that simply aren't true. any person who tuned into the debates tuesday night, whether you are a trump supporter, a harris supporter, and i decided to voter who tuned in to try to understand what candidates stand for, who they are fighting for, the choice is very clear and also who won that debate was also very clear. he was all the vice president taking a strong command on every single issue that matters to the american people, from expanding reproductive freedoms to making sure the american

people have not only the right to get ahead but to stay ahead economically. obviously, she talked about strengthening and protecting democracy. the things that matter the most to the american people, the things that matter the most to undecided voters who are deciding who they are going to support, she made it clear where she stands, she's fighting for them. donald trump can continue to go out there and tell lies and say that he won this debate but i think that if you are the average person tuning in and watching what happened tuesday night, it is very obvious who the vice president stands for, who she is fighting for. that she won the debate. >> if no more debates, that was a real platform. i believe 70 million people tuned in to watch that. you get an unfurnished look at each candidate without a lot of spin around it, just them on the stage alone and we learned a lot in that debate. there are not going to be anymore. what is the strategy to get the same a strong message and more,

especially about reproductive freedom, to the swing states and to all the voters who matter so much in this election? >> you just played a clip of her in greensboro. she has well over 10,000 people at that rally. that is what she's doing. she's taking her message directly to the american people. she's traveling the battleground states. she's trying big crowds and making sure that all the people in that room, local press is a big focus of ours when we are traveling to states, she's getting local press and people understand who she is fighting for, what she stands for. one thing i think is really important, and we talked about this on the show before, when you see these crowds at some of the events she's doing, those crowds are turning around, they are making small dollar donations to our campaign. we raised $47 million from 600,000 donors in the 24 hours after the debate, which is a substantial amount of money.

this people are giving to the campaign and signing up for volunteer shifts. those people are going to work for the campaign, they are donating, they are signing up for shifts, they are phone banking, they are knocking on doors. we talk about the infrastructure we have in these states that we have been investing in for a long time, well before we had the vp as our candidate, back when it was president biden, we've been investing in the states. we have 250 offices in every single battleground state. we have 2000 or so workers in those states. we have the infrastructure that is there to support the volunteers, the excitement. that is what is going to matter when it comes to a close election, which this election will still be very close. you just showed a poll that demonstrated that the american

people overwhelmingly believe she one that debate but we still know this is going to be a very close race that is one on the margins in several battleground states. we have the infrastructure and the support to channel this excitement and enthusiasm but we want to make it very clear it is going to be close. >> good morning, it is good to see you. one of the things we hear, i'm sure you hear it as well from swing voters and republican voters, nikki haley supporters who want nothing to do with donald trump and are curious about kamala harris is that they do have concerns about where she stands now versus where she stood in 2018 during the 2020 race. what is the best way to explain the way some of those positions have changed pretty dramatically for vice president harris? i know she says her values having changed but what does that mean when you talk about her support for decriminalizing illegal border crossings, her support for single payer health care getting rid of health care

insurance and her support for the banning of fracking, none of which she says she supports anymore, what is the best way for a voter to understand those changes? >> i'm glad you asked this question. i think she has made it very clear that when you become a public servant, when you serve the american people, you learn more about the issues and when you learn more about the issues, oftentimes your positions evolve. her position on fracking is the same position she had during the 2020 campaign. people evolve on positions. i think we can look back to where a lot of elected officials stood on marriage equality in the early 2000's and mid-2000's. a lot of elected officials were against that. that is unimaginable in the democratic party in particular these days to not stand for marriage equality. the vice president has always stood for it. people evolve, public servant evolve. you want someone in office who is willing to take a hard look at the issues and to be open- minded when it comes to where they stand the more they learn about an issue and the more that issue also evil spirits, i guess the concerned is that she

is assessing some of these things to get elected and she will go back to her previous positions if she becomes president. is it safe to say she's going to stand pat where she is right now? >> absolutely safe to say that, no doubt. she made that very clear on the debate states tuesday night. she has evolved on some positions, but when it comes to where she stands on the issues that matter to the american people, her values remain the same. those have been unchanged her entire career. when she was a prosecutor, when she was attorney general of california, when she wants united states senator and obviously as vice president. she is the most prepared, most qualified to be the president of the united states and she has made it very clear where values stand. if you are anyone who tuned into that debate, even a trump

supporters, it is hard to look at that debate and say you know what, i don't know who she's fighting for, me or herself. it is very clear that she is fighting for and that is the american people. she's putting their priorities first that came across very clearly on the debate states tuesday night. we have lots more to get to, morning joe weekend continues after a short break. .

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former secretary of state, hillary clinton, has a new book coming up. morning joe has an exclusive first look at one key part of it. the book, entitled "something lost, something game, reflections on life, love, and liberty," goes on sale next tuesday. clinton was recording the audiobook when news broke that president biden has dropped out of the race for the white house. she decided to record her first reaction to that monumental shift in presidential politics as an epilogue to the audio version. morning joe has now an exclusive excerpt of that epilogue. take a listen. >> on july 21st, 2024, when joe

biden announced he was dropping out of the presidential race and endorsing kamala harris, the dream of seeing a woman in the oval office was suddenly back within reach. it wouldn't be me, but it could be kamala harris. history beckoned. a whole lot of bigotry, fear, and disinformation, not to mention the electoral college, stood in the way. could we do it? could we finally shatter that highest, hardest blast glass ceiling and approve in america there is no limit to what is possible? when bill and i heard the news that joe biden was withdrawing and endorsing kamala harris, we drafted a joint statement saluting him and also endorsing her. she is talented, experienced, and ready to be president so it

was an easy decision. after our statement went public, kamala harris called us. she was remarkably calm for someone who has just been thrown into the deep end of a bottomless pool. she told us she wanted to earn the nomination. i'm going to need your help, she said. we will do whatever you need, i told her. bill and i were both ready to do everything we could to help get her elected. history is full of cautionary tales. 2024 is not 2016. trump's victory then and the ugliness of his presidency woke up a lot of people. there's less complacency now about the strength of our democracy and more consciousness of the threats posed by disinformation, demagoguery, and implicit bias. some people have asked how i feel about the prospect of another woman poised to achieve the breakthrough i didn't. if

i'm being honest, in the years after 2016, i also wondered how i would feel if another woman ever took the torch that i had carried so far and ran on with it. with some little voice deep down inside, would it whisper that should have been me? now, i know the answer. after i got off the phone with the vice president, i looked at bill with a huge smile and said this is exciting. i felt promise, i felt possibility. it was exhilarating. when i imagine kamala harris standing before the capitol next january, taking the oath of office as our first woman president, my heart leaps.

after hard years of division, it will prove that our best days are still ahead and that we are making progress on our long journey toward a more perfect union and it will make such a difference in the lives of hard-working people everywhere. for now, thinking about this momentous time, thinking back to where this began. as joni mitchell sang all those years ago, "something's lost but some things game." democrats have lost our standardbearer. we will miss joe biden's study leadership, deep empathy, and fighting spirit. he is a wise and decent man who served our country well. yet, we have gained much as well, a new champion, and invigorated campaign, and a renewed sense of purpose. >> we are going to hear from former secretary clinton when she joins us next thursday right here on morning joe. willie, you could see the joy the clintons have, especially

hillary clinton in the fact that kamala harris has the torch passed to her and how quickly they endorsed harris, the obama's and others took a few days. not that they were thinking about it like whether or not but they prepared. the clintons came out as fast as they could tweet. one of the many reasons is hillary clinton is a huge believer that this moment is possible. i think a lot of people felt a lot of buyers remorse when it comes to trump. when you look at the things hillary clinton set during the debates, during her speech is, in the run-up to the election of donald trump, she was right on so many levels. there's a lot of there and it all adds up to yes, joy, this possibility that kamala harris, an african-american woman can

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what is your assessment of what is going on within the republican party and some of the objections you may have to this funding bill? >> good morning, good to be with you. it is deeply concerning house republicans are once again threatening to shut down the government. it should concern each and every american. as you know, unfortunately over the last 20 or so months, house republicans here on capitol hill have become synonymous with dysfunction and chaos and that is certainly the case, evidence in the last 48 hours, of course, by speaker johnson and house republicans pursuing a deeply partisan continuing resolution that would harm, in my view and the view of many others, our nation's veterans. it would cut funding for social security and ultimately is inspired by trump's project 2025. that continuing resolution, they had to pull from the floor yesterday because of some opposition from within the

republican ranks. in my view, there's only one path forward. it is a bipartisan path forward. i believe house republicans should work with us in good faith and should stop trying to abandon the agreement that they reached in the first instance. as you know, and as you will recall, a year and a half ago, house democrats working with republicans working with our partners in the senate and with president biden reached an agreement with respect to fiscal year 2024 and 2025 funding levels. the bipartisan fiscal responsibility act. that is the agreement house republicans are seeking to break and they are doing so at the behest of former president trump, as is often the case, unfortunately in the house republican conference. >> congressman, let's take this fact to restore the budget or pass the budget out of washington. let's try and put a face on it. a lot of america, especially on the west coast, is literally burning. firefighters affecting those fires. wildfire firefighters. if they don't get action taken on this bill by september 30th, their pay reverts to the federal $50 wasn't, $15 per

hour. >> you articulated it so well with regard to the stakes and the looming crisis we face in terms of the fact that wildland firefighters are already woefully underpaid and under compensated. we see that in my state, i represent the state of colorado and we have had our share of wildfires, of course both our state and across the rocky mountain west. our wildland firefighters are working hard each and every day, sacrificing on our behalf to protect our communities. in 19 days, they will face a domestic pay cut if the united states congress does not act and ultimately fund the operations of the government and include reauthorization of the pay increases that we

previously fought for and that president biden signed into law as part of the bipartisan infrastructure law. it is another example of why it is so critically important for house republicans to stop playing games and to work with us on a bipartisan path forward. >> congressman, the the former president's declaration the other night about springfield, ohio and how haitian immigrants were eating pets got most of the headlines but that is not the only city he has highlighted in recent days. aurora colorado, the echo chamber "new york post" put it on the front page, citing venezuelan migrants are taking over portions of this town. the mayor there says that is not true, we have the situation under control. give us your thoughts. this is your home state. moreover, the idea that this is not just a stereotype, it is a racist stereotype coming from the former president. how dangerous is this? >> i represent the state of colorado but i am also the son of immigrants. i would just say i don't

typically respond to former president trump's offensive comments. he has traded on language around division and dividing the american people and inflaming tensions. that has been his calling card. i would just say i think the american people have had enough. anyone who watched that debate saw in vice president harris someone who is offering an optimistic vision for the future of our country and ultimately an inclusive approach to governing, one that brings everyone in, irrespective of your underlying philosophy, very different, of course, from former president trump and his dangerous rhetoric. i think, at the end of the day, the american people will choose optimism and hope every day of the week. it is why i am so confident vice president harris will become the 47th president of the united states. mike congressman, flipping to politics for a bit, as

democratic leader, where do you see potential pickup opportunities for the democratic party when it comes to house seats? >> first, let me just say i think we have incredible candidates running across the country. leader hakeem jeffries has done a masterful job leading our caucus and working to ensure that all our efforts are geared toward ultimately reclaiming a majority in the u.s. house of representatives. i have every confidence that in a few months, we will make history when we elect him as the first african-american speaker of the united states house of representatives. up next, a fact check of this week's residential debate. our friend steve ratner joins us to debunk some of donald trump's lies. morning joe weekend will be right back. right back. plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up. or finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background. once-daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. don't take if you're allergic to sotyktu;

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it obviously caught donald trump off guard. whether you like him or her, the vice president, the fact of the matter, she was ready, he was not. she took that battle to him and he took the bait. he decisively lost it. he might have made some very good presentations on where the economy was but it was all over the map. this is the first occasion where it wasn't just a close call, it was a lopsided one. >> that is fox news host neil cavuto with his assessment of the debate two nights ago. elise jordan joining us, joining the conversation, mike barnicle, senior columnist, jonathan martin, political strategist, mark mckinnon and msnbc political analyst and publisher of the newsletter

"the ink" his latest piece on the debate titled "the wind by being all the things." we will get to that. first, some conspiracy theories to exaggerated claims. fact checkers kept busy during tuesday night. joining us, morning joe economic analyst steve ratner, is he at the southwest wall? good hustle, steve. there he is, stepping onto the stave. let's start with donald trump's claim. it was like the tonight show. we needed the curtain. donald trump's claim about the rate of violent crime across the country, especially crime involving migrants. let's watch. >> despite their fraudulent statements they made, climb in this country is through the roof and we have a new form of crime, it's called migrant

crime. >> steve, what is the reality there? >> the reality is and we've talked about this before, for some reason donald trump can't process the numbers. he prefers to deal in his alternate reality. the reality is, in fact, violent crime has dropped 26% and the biden/harris administration. it has gone from 398 per 100,000 people to 294 per 100,000 people. this is an annualized figure so it is a significant drop this year in particular. under the trump administration, violent crime was flat, it went up a little bit. basically no progress, huge progress hunter biden and that's just violent crime. one of the things the former president would like us all to think is all this violent crime, however much there is is being committed by immigrants. we talked about this before also and it doesn't seem to have penetrated either. the fact is, when you look at who commits a violent crimes, it is disproportionately nativeborn americans, not immigrants. this is the rate of crime

reduced by nativeborn americans, this is by legal immigrants, this is by undocumented immigrants. if you look at a property crime, if you look at drug violations, you will find the same thing. it is not that crazy to think about. if you come here and you are an undocumented immigrant, you don't want to be sent back so you are much more likely to be a law-abiding citizen. documented immigrants are very happy to be here. they don't want to commit crimes. the high crime rates are really among nativeborn americans and they have been going down and this is contrary to what donald trump said. >> i want to just stop here for a second. we just need to underline these two facts. first of all, regarding the quote "migrant crime," the reality is this has been the case for years when donald trump and other demagogues have been talking about illegal immigrants coming into america

and then committing a vast array of crimes, it is just not true. the data never shows it. by the way, i've always said my entire life, the life that the first thing somebody should do when they come to america shouldn't be committing a crime. yes, you cross the border, that is a crime. they shouldn't do that. i wish trump would not have killed our border security bill that republicans wanted to pass and democrats wanted to pass. this bears repeating what you said because this is not a new fact, this is an ongoing fact. the second thing, steve, the big lie that, another big lie that crime is just rampant, you look at your numbers and per 100,000, let's underline this, the crime rate thus far per 100,000 residents lower, violent crime rate lower than

any year that donald trump was president. in fact, lower per 100,000 people, crime rate, some are saying if the numbers hold out it will be the lowest number since 1950. so, underlying just the difference between perception and reality on this front. >> i don't have 1950 but you can see even from the beginning of obama what has happened to the crime rate from here to here. a material amount of it, again, just to repeat, has come under the biden administration. >> another obvious light, and an obvious lie that people like neil cavuto and commentators on cnbc, a lot of business people that even support donald trump will tell you is a lie is the claim that terrorists won't raise prices. let's take a look at that lie.

>> they are not going to have higher prices. who is going to have higher prices is china and all of the countries that have been ripping us off for years. what are the facts? >> it is amusing to me as an academic sky that trade and tariffs have not been this much of an issue since the days of grover cleveland and benjamin harrison, when they fought about tariffs. every american now has heard a lot about terrace. let's talk about the reality of tariffs. trump says china is going to pay the tariffs or whatever the country the goods are coming from. that is false. tariffs are paid by the companies that bring the goods into the country, not by some other foreign country. what do those companies do when they are paying tariffs? they raise their prices. here's eric real-life example of what can happen. these are laundry machine prices. trump imposed tariffs in 2018, prices went up $200.00. that was faster than the

increase in the rate of inflation. biden allowed those tariffs to expire, prices went down $75.00 and, all in all, the rise of laundry machines has increased by less than the overall inflation rate. you can see in life example. put tariffs on, prices go up, take them off, prices go down. they are a national sales tax, just as kamala harris said. let's see what the consumer is paying. there are various estimates around the trump tariffs, he's talking 20% on everything, 60% of what comes in from china. there are estimates it would cost somewhere between $2600.00 and $4000.00 a year per family. that is not equally distributed. taxes are regressive. people at the lower end pay a higher share of their income, just like they do in sales tax,

and tariffs. you can see the impact here. if you are at the bottom, the trump tariffs would cost to 6.3% of your income, of your after-tax income. if you are at the top, it would only cost you 2.9% of your after-tax income. it is not huge numbers. we are making the wealthy wealthier and the poor poorer when we put taxes on as well as burdening the whole society with anywhere up to $4000.00 of additional cost per family. >> as former president trump steps up his threats to imprison anyone who "cheats of the election," our next guest is taking a look at the fight to protect the voting rights. "the new york times" best- selling author michael eric dyson joins us with his new book, next on morning joe weekend. weekend. ♪ a bend with a bump in your erection might be painful, embarassing, difficult to talk about, and could be peyronie's disease or pd, a real medical condition

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to rig. >> donald trump in wisconsin on saturday promoting false claims of voter fraud, again, ahead of november's election. our next guest is examining the ongoing struggle to protect voting rights, and from drafting the constitution to the former president tends to undermine election results. joining us now, distinguished professor at the vanderbilt university, "the new york times" best-selling author, dr. michael eric dyson, out with a new book titled "represent, the unfinished fight for the vote." congratulations on the book. tonight, because of what we would like to hear from donald trump about what he says happened and did not happen around the 2020 election, what he may be preparing his supporters for after this upcoming election. what strikes me reading the book is how a lot of what we are seeing today in terms of the disenfranchisement of voters is nothing new.

>> you think about some of the extraordinary events that have occurred in american history where people have tried to roughshod over people's rights. their enfranchisement, their ability to say what will happen in democracy. democracy is about people power and the people have to be involved. from the very beginning, from the founding fathers, we don't want everyone involved because they might do that, the they might do that, the very thing they were trying to avoid in european culture in england, they ended up replicating, to a degree here by saying women can't vote, people who don't own property can't vote, obviously african-americans can't vote. intimidating them. so, intimidation is nothing new, denial of opportunity is nothing new as well. >> you know, dr. dyson into the

history of where we are and why this is so important. talk about that. the empowerment of the filter, which back from the early days of the civil rights movement that translated into that and on into where we went from the fight in the 80s with reverend jackson to barack obama there is a real thread to hear a lot of people miss that your book brings back in this contemporary setting. this is not just donald trump, this continues a tradition of disempowerment. >> i have to take the reverend with me so he can interpret the book for me. that line is there. people fight for the right to vote. women in new jersey could vote, the interesting part of that constitution is they could do their thing but then man got wind of it a decade, couple decades later, began to reject the possibility of women voting. black people in certain cases could vote, black men but then they couldn't. then there were convergences.

frederick douglass, they came together. there was a split in the feminist movement because black men were getting the right to vote and white women weren't. it caused consternation. as you said, the fight for the right to vote has been, from the beginning of this nation. i'm sitting next to history in that sense. when we trace it back from frederick telex douglas and when we talk about what happened with the struggles in the 19th century and 20th century, a philip randolph and others making strides, you have to continually fight for the right to be of to vote. any awarding actor and producer john leguiziamo

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by the time i graduated from high school, most of my black and brown friends, they had dropped out, not finishing high school. we call it pushed out because they have an unwelcome climate, the way they are treated in

school, they don't feel welcome. i had this anger inside of me. i never knew what to do with it until i learned how to organize. >> when you became an activist, did you have role models? how did you figure out how to become such a great organizer? >> i learned if you get people together, you can put pressure on the politicians at city counsel, school board members . you can register people to vote, get people to vote and elect people to office, that was willpower. >> that is the legendary labor and civil rights activist dolores huerta speaking to actor and producer john leguizamo, the conversation series hosted by the enemy and tony award winner. it is a cold voces americano latino, looking at the contributions of the latino community has made the aztec

empire to the present. john, it is so great to see you, you do such a good job of shining a light and places of american history and the america of today that should be known that aren't known for whatever reason, that school kids aren't learning about. what they do set up to do with this series questioning >> johns hopkins university did a study in front of 87% of latino contributions to the making of the u.s. are not in history textbooks. i set out to correct that, to make the show a corrective, to put back those 87% of fact. our contributions are massive. i found this plethora, this embarrassment of riches. we are the only ethnic group that has fought in every single war america has had the most medals of honor of any ethnic group after white, 10,000 unknown latino patriots fought in the american revolution, 20,000 of us fought in the civil war, 120,000 of us fought

in world war i with incredible heroes. we were the first to fight against segregation. >> defending herself from a white sexual assault her and she shot him and she, her name, there are in, these incredible stories. 6000 of us were lynched, burned alive, shot. half of the united states used to be mystical from the city to the pacific. there's incredible stories here. what i learned was that we are the most resilient people on

earth. we are the only race, the only culture that has been almost completely genocide it, almost completely, or culture, language, or religion was destroyed and we contributed last year $3.2 trillion to the u.s. gdp. if we were our own country, we would be the fifth largest nation in the world. >> we saw that clip coming in, dolores huerta is an name every school child should know. with cesar chavez and the united farmworkers, of course. >> she, with the term "yes we can." >> can you educate our audience a little bit about the impact she had and what you learned from that conversation? >> we are constantly left out of the civil rights movement. the black panthers were influenced by che guevara. we were also influenced by the black panthers. we had the brown berets in

california, fighting against vietnam, we were doing the same thing against segregation. we had the young lords in new york city, who created the first bill of rights in hospitals. and then dolores huerta, organizing. women have been a huge part of our latin movement. in the 1800s, jovita ydar has her own newspaper and saved boys from being lynched in the 1800s. >> john, after decades, generations, centuries, latinos in the united states of america, latino families born here, raised here, generations of them, why do you think in this country too many americans still look at latinos as newly arrived immigrants? >> that is the myth i want to

bust. we have always been here. the first european quit smoking in america was not english, it was spanish. we have been here since 1492 and before 1492 because there were the great empires, the maya, the aztec and the income. obviously what has happened is we were a large population here and to keep us out of political power, to steal our land wealth, you have toonly way to our power away. such a massive group of people. you have to keep our history away from us and from other people. >> that is it for us this sunday. we are back tomorrow morning 6:00 a.m. eastern for a brand-new week of morning joe as we countdown to election day. until then, enjoy the rest of your weekend. your weekend.