media at the weekend msnbc. velshi continues our amazing coverage. i give it to you, my friend. it is now yours. >> thank you. and i -- look, i want to -- i don't want her to feel badly about this. i've got steele coming up on my show. on friday it was what, international bald and beautiful day or something like that? we'll be talking about baldness at about 10:20. alisha, you're welcome to be involved in in the conversation. i can't imagine you have much to contribute. >> i don't take everything personally, but i'm quite sad to be cut out of this one. >> i'll see you in a few minutes, michael. velshi starts now. hey, good morning. it's sunday, september 15th. 51 days until election day. there's a big caveat to that.

some voting starts tomorrow. the fallout continues for donald trump following last week's presidential debate against kamala harris. questions about how his campaign is being managed. trump's peddling of conspiracy theories which was seen by more than 67 million people just here in the united states has led to very real and some very scary consequences. bomb threats and other threats of violence have disrupted the city of springfield, ohio after trump amplified unfounded racist allegations that haitian migrants were stealing peoples pets and eating. as a result, schools have closed. hospitals were locked down and the city's migrant population has been on high alert. trump has doubled down and continued to make yet more disparaging comments about springfield's haitian community claiming they've taken over and ruined the town. serious questions need to be

asked about how and why the republican presidential nominee and his running mate are pushing baseless fringe conspiracies in the first place. the exact origins are complex and almost entirely based in racism, not in fact. neo nazis had a hand in pushing the false claims on social media and messaging platforms and they consider it a success that donald trump promoted the story during a high profile event. as one neo nazi user on gab wrote quote, this is what real power looks like. end quote. take a look at this woman. the lies about springfield were spread by her. laura loomer, a prominent far right figure best known for her attention seeking political stunts who has deep connections to the far right fringe movement in america. she was spotted exiting trump's plane. was part of his entourage on tuesday which raised concerns she was one of the people who brought the haitian migrant rumor to the former president's attention. following day she attended 9/11

memorial ceremonies in new york and pennsylvania with trump and his team even though loomer has pushed offensive conspiracy theories that 9/11 was an inside job. not the first time that trump has met with controversial figures from the fringes of the far right. most infamous example is probably when he dined at mar-a- lago with nick fuentes. after that dinner he claimed he knew nothing about fuentes's background. he said that about david duke as well. trump can't make the same excuse for loomer whom trump has known for many years. she's been a lightning rod for controversy. her provocative antics and offensive remarks are well documented and widely reported. loomer is a self-described proud

proud. her one year later twitter banned her for violating the platform's rules after she posted a tweet. her account has since been reactivated on x thanks to elon musk. one of trump's billionaire backers who seems to have little issue with hateful content and posts and promotes questionable content himself. now just days before she traveled with trump to philadelphia for the debate last week, laura loomer published a post that read in part if kamala harris wins the white house will smell like curry and white house speeches will be facilitated via a call center. end quote. call centers being a reference to the fact that many american companies have outsourced their call centers to companies in india. this is about kamala harris' asian background. that post was rebuked by republicans like the south carolina senator lindsey graham and somewhat surprisingly by the georgia congresswoman marjorie taylor greene who called loomer's post appalling

and extremely racist. when marjorie taylor greene thinks you've gone too far, you've really lost your way. but here's the thing. laura loomer may be a fringe figure to the larger american public but trump and his team know who she is. last year trump wanted to give her a role on his campaign but his aides raised concerns about her checkered past which is really saying something. they were able to stop him from hiring her. that makes it all the more baffling and troubling that trump's team allowed a far right racist provocateur like loomer to become associated with the campaign at this critical juncture in the election. it's no secret why trump keeps backing loomer and bringing her back into the fold. she's exactly the sort of sycophant whom trump would love to have. a devout loyalist who would help him carry out his plan no matter how extreme. joining me now the host of the dino badala show.

he's an attorney, a columnist. author of the dean's report. and jason stanley a professor of philosophy. the author of the brand new book erasing history how fascists rewrite the past to control the future which i'll be talking about him separately after this. welcome to both of you. thank you for being here. when laura loomer surfaced this week and she surfaces a lot, i thought of you immediately. you've written about her. you know a lot about her history. she may not be a well known figure to a lot of americans but she's well known to you. >> they're lucky not to know her. isn't it nice they can find themselves. it's like the golden bachelor. a special episode. he hands her a white hood or she hands him a white hood. i don't know what's going on with them. what's alarming and there's rumors they're having an affair. that means nothing. it's that he's hang out with a

bigot. -- so much hateful garbage about immigrants. about vice president harris. but here's the reality. i think people are making too much of a distinction. there's not much daylight between donald trump and laura loomer's views and jd vance's views. why is the gop going in the future? a mitt romney party? no, it's going to be a laura loomer type of party. anti-muslim bigot. donald trump. demonizing black people. donald trump. it's one box after the other. so she is where a lot of the energy was. she ran in 2022 for the republican nomination in florida. just barely lost to a five time incumbent republican. that's where the energy is. the reason we have to cover it is because she's where this party is going. she's maga mainstream. that should be clear. >> the interesting thing there was pressure we are hearing from inside the trump campaign not to have her come close to

it -- that's something. when the people inside the trump campaign are worried that someone's going to take them too far. when marjorie taylor greene says she's outrageous. what's this telling you that she seems to be central to this? >> when you start pushing on that window of the far right it's really hard to keep it where it is. and that's what we're seeing right now. we're seeing this campaign lean entirely into great replacement theory. that's 100% what this campaign is about. so when you are leaning into great replacement theory you need to bring in the great replacement theorist. the ones who are loudest about it. the most explicit version nick fuentes is jews are bringing in immigrants to undermine the white race and christianity.

but let's be clear, great replacement theory was behind the ku klux klan. behind the national socialists run for office. it justifies violence. we can expect horrific violence against immigrants if trump comes into power again. the likes of which this country has not seen in decades, if ever. and great replacement theory justifies violence on the individual level. we have numerous mass murders that have occurred since 2011 justified by great replacement theory. >> it's not the government doing it. it's not even trump doing it. it's just you put it out there and people hear these messages, internalize them and commit their own violence. >> absolutely. so that's what we've got. we've got motivations. if you tell people the nation is under an existential crisis of its identity being destroyed

by immigration, and these immigrants are somehow criminal and savage and supposedly eat pets but somehow get it together every couple years to show up en masse to vote. >> trump said they don't really speak english but somehow they're really organized on voting day. >> exactly. it's a completely incoherent genocidal conspiracy theory that is the basis on which they're running the election. and history tells us that when elections are run on this basis it is neither good for the country nor -- >> it never ends well. this is why we're having this discussion. this is not a bash trump conversation. i'm bored with that. if you are undecided because we have ting that indicates people are undecided or some people of sane mind are going to support donald trump. you need no know what you're voting for.

she's an islamophobe. nick fuentes is an anti-semite. they're all in the same rooms together. >> it's remarkable because she's jewish but she'll hang out with holocaust deniers because it it serves some purpose. islam hates us. he called for a ban. what was the result in the real world? we had the highest number of hate crimes against muslim americans. worse than after 9/11. think about that. because of trump. we had muslim women hearing hijabs getting beaten up. we had mosques with the word trump written on the wall. we had bullying of muslim students. my heart goes out to immigrants in general. the haitian community. this two for one lie with donald trump targeting black immigrants. that's so much the fuel of maga going after black people and going after immigrants. we have haitian immigrants. there's no responsibility. look, at this point you have to know who trump is. if you're voting for trump, you're down with this.

i will not give you -- there's no quarter. you are down with racism, bigotry. plus an attempted coup and a january 6th terrorist attack. people like that i view as traitors. i know people disagree. that's how i view them. >> there have been schools closed, hospitals locked down, there was a bomb threat. this is real. let's talk about great replacement theory for a second. it's a concept. you need to understand it. there's no better way to explain it than what trump did with springfield, ohio. like many industrial cities in the midwest it was sort of a hollowed out city. a lot of hispanics and latinos moved in and created a really vibrant economy. they started that. springfield, ohio got factories. it was burned out. they needed people. they got people. they tended to be immigrants. there's a very large population of immigrants in springfield, ohio. that's the thing that to me as an economics guy i think oh wow, they built up a community

that was downtrodden. but for white supremacists and white nationalists that's the great replacement theory. they replaced the white people. >> that's right. it's all about residences, myths and narratives. you build up this picture of a mythic past. a great mythic past when white people were dominant culturally, politically, numerically. you take the base that one of the bases you're looking for. the white working class because the billionaire class always separates the white working class from the black working class. a story as old as america itself. post civil war. so you focus on the white working class and you say your iconic places springfield, ohio. the iconic places of the white working class are being replaced by nonwhites. so you juice white nationalism among that base. you juice christian nationalism which is multiracial, of

course. by targeting muslims. but then going after haitian immigrants is particularly resonant in american history. trump is always reaching back for these residences of corrupt black voters. haiti had the only successful slave revolution in history. haitians have been paying for that forever. and so that kind of resonance to haiti. i believe that those are just slumbering, waiting to be evoked. donald trump is quite skillful at that. >> thanks to both of you. i want you tow stick around. you have a remarkable new book. >> i'm not going. >> you're going to stay there? >> may not be here when we start the section next segment. jason stanley is going to talk about his new book. more velshi after the break. e .

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strangely, dean did leave. professor jason stanley is back with me to discuss his new book. how fascists rewrite the past to control the future. jason, i would have had you on the show to talk about this book anyway. we were planning to. yet it is so dove tailed with exactly the things we're talking about in today's presidential election. this concept of rewriting history. it has been tried and true. it has worked the world over and donald trump isn't as incoherent as some of his speeches are. he knows this. you can rewrite history. repeat fallacies and some people will believe you and perhaps lots of people will believe you. >> that's right. trump is running this election on the basis of great replacement theory. the idea that what made america

great was its white christian founders. christianity. whiteness. men. these are the things that make america great. if you have a history curriculum, that sort of obliterates the agency of black americans. that obliterates the history of xenophobia. you don't know about the ways in which immigrants or how hitler picked up those ideas. if you just learn about the great achievements of white men then you're going to be misled into thinking that oh, america was great and america was innocent and so if these immigrants come they will destroy our greatness. if we're confronted by black history or indigenous history then it will more this history, this sense we're innocent. trump is running a campaign on the basis of aggrievement. of grievance. by having these attacks on our public schools and universities

that we're seeing of course with an aspiring autocrat like desantis in florida but across southern states and 20 states and more in the country. that are attacking black history. that are attacking the history of labor. of labor unions. that are attacking our own history of indigenous genocide. that are attacking the concepts of the structural racism so we can't understand our country. this allows stereotypes to breed. if you don't have an accurate history. if you don't know why many cities have poor black neighborhoods and wealthy white ones guarded by militarized police, then you're going to lean into stereotypes. about laziness and those sorts of things that are false stereotypes. that if you learn history and learn about mortgage red lining, black americans weren't allowed. >> this is in effect of that. i have this velshi banned book

club. one of the books we've done was 1984. you talk about control of information in your book. you say it's central aspect of control of power in the preface you write by removing the history of uprisings from the curriculum or never allowing that history to be taught in the first place, authoritarians leave students with the impression that the status quo has never been and cannot be challenged. now you are a professor so you live in this world of you must challenge. if you are at a university. the only job of you and your students is to constantly challenge, argue, debate and come to new conclusions. >> universities are the primary target of authoritarians. will the first target. the courts, the schools and the universities. we see the universities are denounced as antinational. as traitorous because they're questioning this national narrative of national greatness. in india when the university

students protested for muslim equality these nonviolent protests were attack violently by police. the universities victor or ban kicked the best university out of hungary. what we're seeing now in florida and many states is professors are being targeted. any critical history is being targeted. students are are asked to report professors. the war on public schools create as culture of fear and intimidation which is the very basis of authoritarianism. reporting people, turning each other in, vladimir putin blurbed my book. he said recently wars are won by teachers. so this book started as a series of lectures in august 2023. ukrainians face a clear fake history of russian textbook. >> you read ukrainian russian history you'd almost think this war should be going the other

way. interesting point you make. when rate criticized by kamala harris about how world leaders don't like donald trump he invoked victor orban. when you're kalongen victor orban as your guy, you have a problem. a moral of this book is we've been through this before. when we understand the mechanisms by which democracy is attacked. the way myths and lies are used to justify actions we can defend thanksgiving against these attacks and have verse the tide. this struggle is part of the action of democracy itself. if we weren't having this struggle we wouldn't be living in a democracy. did i find the optimistic part in this book? >> there are many optimistic parts. a democracy is a process. there's no such thing as a perfect democracy. a democracy is a society in which you're warring constantly to realize the ideals of freedom and equality. if you're not having that struggle you're in an

authoritarian state. the goal of these attacks on libraries, teachers and professors is to chill dissent to make sure this critical engagement with our past no longer continues. >> which means our grandchildren will still be having this discussion and they should. if our grandchildren are arguing about this democracy you will not see this as a failure of democracy. you'll see that as a success. >> only when people are too afraid to join the struggle, too afraid to challenge history. too afraid to tell the stories of people. >> what a remarkable and important book. we really appreciate all the time you always take to join us. the time you've taken, i really recommend to our viewers that you get a copy of erasing history. how fascists rewrite the past to control the future. jason stanley is a professor of philosophy at yale university. thank you. >> thank you. the former party chairman

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immigrant community. >> they're scared for their lives. some of them are asking me even yesterday i got a friend calling me asking if he has to leave because he's scared for his life. so another friend told me that it seems he would have had had family coming to visit him but he going to welcome them because he is -- it is not safe right now for him in springfield. >> there are too many people who are sane watching this trying to find a rational reason why trump would repeat this lie where perhaps he might have seen or heard something similar. there are influential republicans in power who could help dispel. mike dewine and his wife founded a school in haiti to serve the poorest people. this is a guy who knows who these people are. dewine has tried to push back

on trump's false claims about haitian migrants in springfield but then he said this. >> well major, this is something that came up on the internet and the internet can be quite crazy sometimes. >> no. it's not the internet, governor dewine. this is donald trump. this is the leader of your party that has caused this to be mainstreamed. i'm joined now by michael city former chairman of the republican national party. you know him as one of the co- hosts of the weekend which airs right before velshi which i generally really enjoy except kind of wrecked some things for me. michael steele used to sit in here and help me if i was traveling. great to have you on velshi. you are part of the team. i was watching your show this morning. you tackled this topic in a lot of different very interesting ways. while you were doing that, the vice president of the united states was doing the rounds on -- i'm sorry, the vice president candidate jd vance was doing the rounds talking

about this. i would like to just play you -- he was asked about these baseless claims on nbc's meet the press. i know you guys ran that. he was asked about it on cnn. let me play you a little about what he said. >> sure. >> i have heard firsthand from multiple constituents. people who made 911 calls a month ago, a year ago making these complaints. i trust my constituents more than i do the american media that has shown no interest in what's happening in it springfield until we started sharing cat memes on the internet, which is disgraceful that the american media ignored this town. >> it wasn't just a meme. >> so america pays attention to the suffering of the american people, that's what i'm going to do. you guys are completely letting kamala harris coast. >> you just said this is a story that you created. so eating dogs and cats thing is not -- >> we are creating -- dana, it comes from firsthand accounts

from my constituents. >> so, you know, i don't know where to start with this thing. in a real world, michael, this would have come up and everybody would be distancing themselves from it and not creating potential violence which is what we're seeing play out in ohio. >> well, jd vance sort of let the, you know, proverbial cat out of the bag there when he says you know, well if i have to create a story to get you to, you know, cover what we want you to cover that's what i'm going to do. and that's what they've done. i mean the originator of this private facebook posting has come out and said this was not what i intended. this was just something i was, you know, this is a private conversation that has got blown up. what makes it so galling and so bad is the fact that you have a former president of the united

states and his vice presidential pick perpetuating this and leveling it up. so if your constituencies, how long have your constituents been coming to you and telling you, how long they been doing that? is this something that just started two weeks ago? was this going on for a long time? and did you have your staff, your senate staff go and verify this information because that's what the press has done. the press has come back and said this is bs. there is no -- there's nothing here. in fact, as i just mentioned, the person who made it all up said it's all made up. so what are your constituents telling you? the fact of the matter is we are talking about this 50 days out from a presidential election. should tell the american people

everything they need to know. the one thing you need to know is there was a reason you fired donald trump in 2020. remember that reason. they're coming back with more. >> i would think he would down play the reasons. we are a day away from some of the voting starting in pennsylvania. and in a -- really important presidential debate. arguably more important than the last one. we have a new candidate. this was going to be the one that really mattered. donald trump kept saying he wanted it. we talked about people eating pets. we talked about replacement theory. we talked about these people who said donald trump said hardly speak english but somehow on election day they're fully able to motivate to turn out to elect democrats. we talked about kamala harris supporting gender reassignment surgery for migrant people in prisons. this was a moment to distinguish yourself from a policy perspective. the one time he was asked a

question about policy, about healthcare he said doesn't have a plan, concept of a plan. ten years this guy has been in government but he's got a concept of a plan. what's going on here? is it so important to motivate the fringe he's forgetting about the mainstream? >> that's the frustration from a lot of folks who tried to -- remember how we started this conversation. beginning of this campaign. oh, donald trump's got a serious campaign team. he's gotten rid of the cory lewandowski. he's got two political astute players in the game who have very carefully crafted and articulated a narrative where donald trump looked like he was normal. right? >> yeah. >> donald trump didn't like normal. he didn't like normal.

he brings back cory. he layers up with laura loomer. he's brought the crazy back in. he doesn't want to do that. at the end of the day for donald trump, which we saw in this debate. it's not about expanding his base vote. it's not expanding that ceiling he's hit. he thinks all he needs are his base voters to win this thing. let him keep thinking that. kamala harris is going to go out and have republicans like myself and others support her along with other fellow travelers of independent voters. people of color. meal from different experiences coming to the table. they don't want to look back ward. >> she's going places in pennsylvania that voted republican by a lot. places in georgia voted republican. she's taking the fight to them.

if you want to be talking about fringe weird stuff. >> real quick on that. she doesn't need 30, 40% of that vote she's going after. she needs 2, 3, 4% of that vote. >> exactly right. just a few votes here and there. it is always a great pleasure to have you on the show. former chairman of the republican national committee. coming up next, inside project 2025 as it takes aim at american farmers and crucial food and nutrition programs. the michigan senator debbie stabenow joins me right ahead. . gum problems could be the start of a domino effect parodontax active gum repair breath freshener clinically proven to help reverse the 4 signs of early gum disease a toothpaste from parodontax, the gum experts.

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to weaken u.s. climate policy is by insisting that climate change is a separate issue that isn't linked to every other avenue of policy. it insists that climate change doesn't have an impact on every american. in chapter ten which focuses on the department of agriculture it attempts to pull this trick by implying that the concept of climate change is simply conjecture. here's an excerpt from page 3 4. quote, a as a general matter the next administration should ensure these programs address genuine and specific environmental concerns with a focus on currently existing environmental problems, not those that are speculative in nature. end quote. the architects of project 2025 would prefer for climate change to be seen as a wholly separate issue from agriculture. but the two are inextricably leadershipped. according to the u.s. department of agriculture our

farming systems use more water than any other industry and account for nearly 11% of greenhouse gas emissions in the united states. this chapter in question asserts that the u.s. department of agriculture should not concern itself with climate but rather only care about agriculture and farmers. except that farmers and agriculture are at least as affecteddably climate change as anyone if not more. according to the u.s. drought monitor, which is run by scientists at the university of nebraska, 30 states are currently experiencing some form of drought which hurts crop yields. extreme weather events like hurricanes and tornadoes which now happen more frequently can both flood and destroy farmland. project 2025's specific policies for farmers aren't that helpful either. they suggest for instance repealing agricultural risk coverage and price loss coverage programs which are safety nets that are designed to protect farmers from sudden

price drops in certain crops. repealing export promotion programs like the market access program which helps farmers connect with market places overseas to sell their goods. and eliminating the conservation reserve program which pays farmers to remove environmentally sensitive land from agricultural production and instead plant species that will improve environmental quality. farmers actually say that the conservation reserve program guarantees income for marginally profitable land while operating -- lowering their operating costs. another target of this chapter, with inspiration taken directly from the first trump administration is the supplemental nutrition assistance program. or s.n.a.p. which provides food and nutrition benefits. you will know s.n.a.p. as what we used to call food stamps. project 2025 suggests that the government quote, move the usda food and nutrition programs to the department of health and

human services. this is not a new idea. trump launched then abandoned an effort to move the food benefit programs like s.n.a.p. to hhs in 2018. analysis at the time found moving s.n.a.p. would slash its budget and make it easier to cut. just one page later it resurrects another trump administration zombie, implementing stricter work requirements for s.n.a.p. benefits. project 2025 explicitly references a 2019 trump policy that would have taken 688,000 americans off of food and nutrition benefits. but when a judge in dc blocked the rule this was abandoned. now it's a common theme in this 922 page tome. think of all the unlawful and unhelpful policies that donald trump failed to jam through during his first term in office. this is the conservative playbook for avoiding those failure as second time around. i'm not done.

there's more. chapter 10 of project 2025 attacks on food benefits continue. on page 300, project 2025 also seeks to reform broad-based categorical eligibility for food benefits. which allows for folks whose income is above the poverty line but then is taken down to poverty levels because of how much they pay for shelter, utilities and child care and that allows them to remain eligible for s.n.a.p. benefits or food snaps. project 2025 calls that a loophole. to be clear, it's not a loophole. it's accounting for fixed cost. side note, the rich in this country get all sorts of loopholes including paying a lower income tax on money that is generated just by having or generating money as opposed to labor. give the working poor that anything that even looks like an exception you are encouraging laziness and poverty. project 2025 wants to scrap the government's ability to keep

baby formula costs low. special supplemental nutrition program for women, infants and children, that's known as wic, uses a state voucher system to buy baby formula at discounts and in this bulk. as of 2022, more than 6 million americans participated in the wic program. project 2025 seeks to reevaluate it which is code for getting rid of it. the far right blueprint wants to make it harder to know what is in your food. let's go to page 307. quote, the u.s. department of agriculture should work to repeal the federal labeling law and stress that voluntary labeling is allowed. end quote. even with current federal food labeling laws, food companies consistently mislead the public. did somebody ask for this? less nutritional information about the food you eat. two pages later. page 309. project 2025 suggests the next

republican administration work with lawmakers to repeal dietary guidelines. those r the guidelines published by the u.s. department of agriculture to help americans learn more about nutrition. project 2025 says quote, issues such as climate change and sustainability infiltrated the process of building the dietary guidelines. except that the dietary guidelines published from 2020 to 2025 didn't mention climate. they didn't mention sustainability. not once. they're about the effect of what you eat on your body. a few pages earlier project 2025 asserts that perhaps we care too much about what specifically goes into some of our food, including baby formula. quote, labeling restrictions regulations and restrictions that unnecessarily delay the manufacture and sale of baby formula should be reflated. as you know reevaluated is code for should go away. the book asserts overregulation

was the cause of the baby formula shortage. the real cause was snags in the supply chain and the fact we've allowed production to be controlled without meaningful competition. the whole chapter is full of faulty longic, misconceptions and bad conclusions like much of many book. the anti-snap policies are based on the outdated notion that basic food benefits would discourage one from seeking work. but study after study shows that's not true. the anticlimate policies are written as if climate change is a wholly separate issue from farming but it's not. the farming policies are pose she intended to ramp up food production but they leave smaller farmers more vulnerable to price swings and low crop yields. why are we surprised? farmer looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and you're a thousand miles away from the corn field. orn field.

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hi, before the break i told you about project 2025's proposal to drastically reform america's farming industry as well as the food and nutrition policeman upon which millions of americans rely. for more on this i'm joined by the democratic senator debbie stabenow of michigan. she's the chair of the senate agriculture, nutrition and foresty committee. great to see you. as you know, i talk to a lot of

senators and we talk politics. i only talk to you when we're talking policy. you read this stuff. you understand it. there's a lot about farming and about nutrition and climate. it truly doesn't make a lot of sense. >> first of all, your summary was fantastic. i would just say amen. as always, great to be with you. but this project 2025 is a war on farmers and rural communities. and on families. you know, there's nobody that has a riskier business than farmers. nobody looks at the weather every day more than our farmers. they're getting hit over the head by whole range of things. international policies. we didn't even talk about how trump's chinese tariffs and war hurt them four years ago. all of that that happened. but the truth is that they are being hit more on what's happening on the continent than

anybody else. i've be working on this a long time. we have moved things forward the last two farm bills. the inflation. we added really important investments from voluntary popular programs. and the truth is this, better for the soil and soil. more carbon out of the atmosphere, better for all of us. these are great strategies. farmers want them. they want them in what we're doing. we're helping them with risk management right now. >> important to point out when we talk about farmers those was us who are not farmers. as eisenhower says those a thousand miles away from a corn field don't understand there are big farms and little farms. if you are a little farmer in america, which you probably are because you've been farming in your family for generations, it's really hard. >> it's really hard. i have to say that trump's ag

secretary said to farmers go big or go home. and so all of their policies even now the republican policies policies most of the money goes to the top 2% wealthiest farmers and landowners. that guts rural communities. we have to have small farmers and medium-sized farmers in order to be able to sustain the world economy. they are going after that every single day. they are also going after families. as you said. they would gut programs. by the way s.n.a.p. years ago the person that led the effort to change to s.n.a.p. from the food stamps because republicans so maligned that term. about $6 a day per person in america the greatest country in the world that we provide for

somebody to go to the store to be able to get food or get their family food. republicans how many times have they said food prices are too high. they're too high but they want to gut $6 a day. not only that but the whole meals program. i was able to get a full time summer meals program for children that don't get to eat healthy food in the summer. that would be gone. the wic program as you talked about. they want more babies born but they don't want to pay for formula or healthy baby food. i mean, this thing is nuts. >> yeah. >> the whole thing is nuts. but it is a war on farmers and it is a war on families. >> this thing is nuts is a better summary than the whole thing i did before i introduced you. senator, great to see you as always. please spend as much time as you did. i know you're leaving the senate one of these days but we would like you here as much as possible.

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