that does it for me today but we are working on a big show for tomorrow night. the former presidents niece, mary trump, will be joining me. she has a new book out and we will have a lot to talk about over the last several days. and senator john awesome off will join me in tomorrow night it will happen and that is coming tomorrow night but for now stay where you are because there is more news coming up.. .

and 51 days to go until the election, a new poll shows a still tight race with the vice president at 52% of likely voters while the former president stands at 46%. now the issues, the vice th president leads on abortion, healthcare, and protecting democracy. while trump leads on immigration, the economy and inflation. supporters from both sides talking about the economy on g the sunday talk shows. >> look, i think he's always better off talking about the issues that really impacted american, and i think the economy is always the most important thing these things are the things i think are the bread and butter that he should be talking about. >> she should talk about strengthening social security, lowering prices by having more competition.

i think she's got a very compelling economic agenda. >> meanwhile, gop vice presidential nominee jd vance on a number of sunday shows doubling down on the baseless claims of migrants eating pets s in his home state of ohio amid threats to the community. >> first of all, kristen, we condemn all acts of violent violence and threats of violence and i've heard first hand from constituents, who are making these complaints. i trust my constituents more than i do the american media that has shown no interest in what has happened in springfield until we started sharing cat means on the internet. >> was not going to help the community is the kind of chaos inflicted on them by a national campaign deciding to make them a lightning rod, over wild rumors and urban legends about people eating cats or dogs or geese or whatever it's going to be tomorrow. and let's be very clear. that community and the very real people who are dealing with

some really ugly stuff right now like the bomb threats, are having that inflicted on them as part of the strategy from a campaign that wants to talk about anything but their actual record and their actual agenda. >> another bomb threat in springfield, ohio forced the shutdown of a university in that city and we will have more on all of that in a live report. meanwhile on the campaign trail, tuesday, vice president harris will be in philadelphia for a fireside chat and thursday she will be in michigan for a unite for america lifestream event with oprah winfrey on friday, she will campaign in wisconsin. as for the former president, he told the town hall tuesday in flint, michigan followed by a in rally in uniondale, new york on wednesday. we have reporters and analysts in place. i will talk with jen psaki about the state of the race with 51 days to go but starting us off is von hilliard on the state of the race. >> it was that debate on tuesday night that would set the tender for the rest of the

week on the campaign trail and with vice president harris maintaining the lead in polls nationally, it set up questionsn about whether former president trump needs to change the drug trajectory of his race. >> last night vice president harris speaking in front of the congressional black caucus. >> donald trump and his extremist allies intend to take our nation backward. >> former president trump visiting police in nevada, trying to bounce back from his debate. >> nobody can believe how bad they've done at the border, running our country. >> trump called himself an extraordinary genius in a social media post and claiming he won the debate with harris citing unscientific internet polling. >> we had one, 92 to 6. >> three rapinoe -- reputable -- a slight boost from the before the debate. >> the vice president writing a

wave of momentum set to kickoff the campaign blitz this week in the key battleground states of pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin. the push comes as harris sits down for her first solo interview since becoming the democratic nominee. and distancing herself from president biden. >> i'm obviously not ncjoe bide and i offer a new generation of leadership. >> the vice president, also suggesting trump's appeal is slipping. >> i think people are exhausted with that approach. >> this as some of trump's own supporters express skepticism of his lack of focus on the issue. >> it wasn't my favorite of his performances. >> he can't help himself. >> trump was insistent that he would not do another debate but now, he's cracking the door open saying he might, if he was in the right mood >> notably, we are still more than 50 days from actual election day, early voting, through the mail, is beginning in several states this week,

including and battleground wisconsin. as vice president harris said yesterday, it makes these immediate days ahead all the more crucial. >> thank you so much for that. jamie is jen psaki, you just saw her, she is the host of inside with jen psaki. welcome, my friend. what is your assessment, i'm always glad to see you, 51 days out. how close do you think this race is? >> razor thin close. and i mean, i think anyone objectively watching that debate, harris did far better, she wiped the rrfloor with trum that's my take of the debate but debates don't win elections in the harris campaign knows that. i mean hillary clinton won every debate john kerry won

every debate and they did not become president. for them, the key is reminding people that there's a lot of work to be done and i think that's why she's been so busy on the campaign trail over the g last couple of days and will need to be in the weeks ahead. >> you are saying and numbers might suggest, that debates don't win a campaign so why is she publicly calling now for a i second one, what is the campaign thinking, what are the potential risks and rewards? >> well, there's no question there's a big reward to be standing up on a stage next to your opponent. and if you look at how she performed on tuesday night. i think she controlled the debate from the moment she went out and aggressively sought a handshake in his space which he clearly didn't know what to do. she owned that debate and she also used it as an opportunity to lay out the contrast on abortion rights, to lay out the contrast on the economy and she had a number of good moments. so the contrast is hugely important. voters are ultimately making a choice, don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the

alternative. that's what joe biden often says but i think the point is just because she wanted the debate hands down, it doesn't mean that she is right now, on track to sail to a victory and they know there's a lot more work to be done. >> as you say, it's razor thin, what if he t'has a good debate. that might be enough to turn things around for him? >> well, if you are the harris team, you are making a bet that she just deliver the performance she delivered which in my opinion is the best n performance anyone has ever had against donald trump and again, it's another opportunity to draw the contrast. you are making a calculation. you still have to spend time to prep, that may take off the trail. there are some cons to consider but there's no question the person-to-person contrast, as generational changes in terms of the contrast as to what they bring, is to her advantage and that is the calculation they are making by continuing to push for it. >> let's get to battleground et north carolina and what both campaigns are saying about the

tar heel state, take a look at this, jen. >> if you look at the electoral college map it's hard for us to win unless we are able to get north carolina. i feel very good about it. i talked to the congressman and the state chair. >> when you've got tens of thousands of volunteers in north carolina and i want to be on the record right here, we are going to win north carolina. in the last six months, four trips to eastern north carolina, not to charlotte, not to raleigh, not to durham, but poor lack folks in rural counties, and talking to those folks, we are going to win north carolina this election cycle. >> okay first of all, what you heard from jd vance, that felt like a stunning admission there and secondly, the dnc chair sounds really confident, bold, even. what do you take away from this? >> that's what the dnc chair should say and that's a bold admission from jd vance. north carolina is not a state that a democratic presidential

candidate has won since 2008. there's an amazing state party chair, she's the youngest of the country, they have a crazy person running for governor on the republican side. those are things that are in the favor of the harris/walz team, but it is a hard state and i don't think people should underestimate that, in some ways, georgia has better demographics the north carolina but if the democrats are really competing in north carolina, that also expands the map of s the road to 270. so that is good news for the harris/walz team, but the trump team really needs /wnorth carolina, if the harris/walz team win north carolina, that's a good sign for them on election night. >> back to what you said at the top of the interview. everything is razor thin. you have the harris campaign officials think democrats are the underdogs in this election.

are they, actually, underdogs or is that span? >> well, look, i think the key here, yes, i think they are, i mean, if the election were held today, i don't know what would happen but if you look at each of these swing states, every election is won or lost within 6 to 7 swing states and that's a reflection of may be a broken system but that's what it is at this point and each of those states, most of them are within the margin of error and harris is not quite where biden was in 2020 among some key demographic groups including lack and latino voters, can she get v there? absolutely but they know there is more work to be done and there are more voters to pull in they need more to win the election. i think saying they are the underdog is still an accurate depiction. >> expanding on that because the new polling shows no real in change after the debate.

does it raise any concerns with you that the needle did not really move after her rather near-perfect debate performance? >> well, first i would say, i think those are national poll numbers, there's also a national poll out today from abc that shows her up six. who cares about national poll number, what matters is estate poll numbers because that's where the race is one or lost. i don't think iowa is a swing state. but the des moines register had a poll out today, this morning, that had harris down by just four. biden was down by 18 points in the spring, so what i would look like -- i would look at the state polls. many are very razor thin but a lot of those are much closer or harris is ahead of where the race looked just a few months ago. >> this logic, do you approve of the campaign, i mean they are not seeking your approval but maybe they should, you ma know, you are jen psaki, that said, do you think it is wise that they are focusing on local markets for interviews and that

in the swing states and particularly, is that the way to get to those voters more so than big national interviews? >> 100,000%. they should do big national interviews, too. she did a cnn interview and she did well and they should do those, too. local media is still the most trusted source of information and most markets in the mo country, these are people who know the local issues and they know what to ask the candidates about. it's a completely missed opportunity for anyone running t for president to not do local en tv interviews. when i was working for barack obama or john kerry, we did dozens of them every week. every stop we did local media interview. on the day of the election in 2012 and 2008, barack obama probably did 40 to 50 local television interviews. they are hugely important and i think it's really a smart strategy to do that. >> you are almost 13 minutes into overtime. >> republicans are worried about the trump campaigns new get out the vote strategy adding that increasingly

concerned republicans fear the trump team is firing blanks. trump appears to be putting resources into fighting voter fraud instead of voter turnout. what does that tell you? >> this is oethe problem they h in 2020 and trump has not solved it for them as much as he has made it far worse, i should say. early voting, and voting by mail is a huge factor in a lot of key states. voters will start voting in pennsylvania tomorrow. they can start voting. and this is something that democrats and a lot of state parties have invested in. it makes it easier for people who have full-time jobs or don't have the flexibility to vote on election day and donald trump from his mouth has questioned the integrity of that and that hurts their efforts to rely on them. the other benefit of early voting is eubank those votes if

you are a state party, if you are a companion, they've already voted. so him questioning the integrity of those processes, it really hurts any effort. >> by the way, i'm looking forward to your married trump interview tomorrow. her book is so good. it is so gutwrenching. it's going to be stellar. >> i'm so excited and also senator allsop is one of the most interesting people in the senate and he is doing some hearings about abortion tomorrow and i'm really looking forward to talking to him, too. >> thank you very much, good to see you. you can all watch inside with jen psaki a threat before this program sundays at noon and mondays at 8:00 eastern, tune in tomorrow night right here on msnbc. let's go to aaron gilchrest. >> reporter: we did hear from the vice president and president biden last night, they both spoke at the congressional black caucus foundation's dinner here in washington.

the combination of a week of events that the cbc and affiliate organizations hold and the vice president was d talking to a friendly audience in the congressional black caucus, a caucus that she was a part of when she was in the senate. you see her there, she talked about voting rights, talked about fighting for reproductive rights as well. this is a friendly group. a lot of the people that were in the room last night are surrogates for the harris/walz campaign. people who have gone out and talked about the need to elect kamala harris in november so this was really an opportunity for her to rally the troops as well. >> the cbc has always had a vision for the future of our nation. a future where we can see what is possible, unburdened by what has been. and today that vision, our

vision, is under profound threat. donald trump and his extremist allies intend to take our nation backward. but we are not going back. we're not going back. >> so the vice president is not on the campaign trail, that wasn't a campaign event technically but we are at a point where every moment, the campaign is trying to take advantage of getting their message out. you see on the screen, where the vice president will be this week on tuesday, she will be in philadelphia with the national association of black journalists, speaking to that organization on thursday, sitting down with oprah, to talk to some of the groups that have held zoom calls for the last several weeks showing their support and then on friday, we expect that she will

rally in wisconsin as well. that is going into the week ahead. we know today, while there's not a proper campaign event, they are rolling out on this first day of national hispanic heritage month, this is their largest effort to court latino voters. there's a $3 million ad spend and is also an effort to organize around the boxing matches and baseball games, speaking directly to latino communities. we know early voting will startg in several places, pennsylvania, arizona, nevada among them and those are places with significant and large latino communities. so the harris/walz campaign is making the effort to make sure they reach out to those groups in particular and that i think we can expect to see that only explode over the next several weeks as they try to win more

groups, more people in order to win in november. >> keep adding them up. it's what they need to do. thank you so much. later, what is behind a drop in gas prices but first, the threats in springfield, ohio just got more serious. t what we are learning when we are back in re90 seconds. 90 secs everywhere but the seat. the seat is leather. alan, we get it. you love your bike. we do, too. that's why we're america's number-one motorcycle insurer. but do you have to wedge it into everything? what? i don't do that. this reminds me of my bike. the wolf was about the size of my new motorcycle. have you seen it, by the way? happy birthday, grandma! really? look how the brushstrokes follow the line of the gas tank. -hey! -hey! brought my plus-one. jamie? ♪♪ ♪♪ citi's industry leading global payments solutions help their clients move money around the world seamlessly in over 180 countries...

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university canceled all activities today after it received a shooting threat. meanwhile, former president trump an ohio senator jd vance have so far refused to take back their remarks. >> do you denounce the bomb threats in springville, ohio? >> i don't know what happened with the bomb threats. i know it's been taken over by illegal migrants, and that's a terrible thing that happened. >> i've heard firsthand from multiple constituents, people who have made 91 calls a month ago, a year ago, who were making these complaints. i trust my constituents more than i do the american media. >> i'm curious how trump always please ignorance to things. but let's go to maggie vespa who is joining me from springfield. these threats, the danger towards the haitian community seems to be getting more serious, what are you hearing? >> reporter: first and foremost we should fact check the former president, these are not illegal haitian immigrants, they are legally in the city of springfield, ohio. city officials have stressed that. the threats seem to be getting

more serious or coming in in different forms, wittenberg university was the springfield college, they canceled all in person activities on campus, today after last night, saying they got a threat via email of a possible campus shooting and the person who sent that threat they said, said he planned to target haitians on campus. again the campus effectively shut down for the time being. at the same time for the last 3 to 4 days we've seen bomb threats closing everything from multiple elementary schools, middle schools, hospitals, government buildings, the local police and the fbi, all investigating those threats. but this has been enough, just this fear and this isolation and how it's reached a fever pitch nationally has been enough to force the haitian committee -- community into hiding. they planned to have an in person meeting at the haitian community center last night at 5:00 and we got there about a

half hour before they said actually, we decided to cancel it because of safety concerns, they told us they were moving it onto facebook live and i said what are the concerns, what are the threats and they said we are getting threatening phone calls and people are accosting haitians on the street. some parents are keeping the kids home from school and one man told me the story, take a listen. >> i was talking to my friend recently and said one of the haitian guys got punched on his eye. >> a haitian person was punched in the face here in springfield. how does that sit with you, how do you deal with it? >> that's why we are here. we are trying to help with all of these things. it's really, really bad here. >> reporter: once again the in person meeting was canceled last night and people at the community center perhaps no surprise telling us they have no plans to reschedule it at this point. and we talked about this yesterday. we heard about the fear

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a new poll out today shows the presidential debate did not move the numbers much at all, even though a majority of voters say harris won the debate, the overall head-to- head numbers remain identical to what they were before tuesday night. harris maintains a 52 to 46% lead among likely voters. her surrogates insisting today that she has a winning message. >> our party will put more money in their pocket and be productive which is not inflationary unlike the corporate tax cuts that donald trump is talking about, the tax cuts to the wealthy. she should talk about strengthening social security and lowering prices by having more competition. i think she's got a compelling argument. >> jointly now don calloway host of the caucus room podcast.

thank you guys for jointly, you first, don, did you expect more of a jump, how much stock do you put into this, generally? >> i remember as you asked us for the headlines coming out of the debate at the end of last week i specifically said harris would win convincingly but it would not be shown in the polls and the reason is because no democrat ever, will win a presidential election in a landslide. it's likely no republican will ever as well but we have to remember democratic constituencies are typically not shown up in polls until maybe the very last minute but we always show up in the most important poll which is the exit poll. we knew kamala harris would dominate the debate, and i think she did that from a substantive perspective and also think it was empirically possible to predict that she would not get a significant bump. i do think it's fair to say however, that the post announcement enthusiasm has now, the enthusiasm hasn't petered out but there is an equalization but we have to remember that what she's done is heroic. joe biden was so far behind. >> i mean her numbers at first, it's like they were on rocket fuel going up to the

atmosphere. so susan, there is good news, though, for harris within her base and it is, 69% of democrat or democrat leading independent voters said the debate made them see her more favorably and only 34% of republicans said the same about donald trump. is this just a turnout game or than anything else? >> oh, absolutely, alex. when you look at those numbers that you just put up, people are getting to know harris and as they do, they are getting to like harris, they really don't care for donald trump and they know what donald trump is. even though, you know, kamala harris has been the vice president for almost 4 years, she really has remained an unknown figure until the convention just a few weeks ago. i think she's doing a very good job introducing herself to the public. and when we look at the polls, here's the thing, it's going to be that way until the end, until election day. it was razor close in 2016,

razor close in 2020. there's nothing to indicate that it won't be razor close in 2024. and look what has happened in 2024. we've had a political assassination attempt. we've had a major shakeup in the democratic party's nominee and we are still here. >> can i ask you to expand on your comment about people not knowing her. isn't that always the case, susan, doesn't the country focus on the president, doesn't that president get the most media time and headlines. so when you see -- >> it should be that way, alex, there's nothing unusual that the public hasn't known her, what's unusual is that she came in so late and that she didn't, she wasn't a vice president running for president in 2019, coming into this 2020 i mean, 2024, excuse me, so it's very normal for vice presidents to

have to introduce themselves to the public. we just haven't had to see it on steroids. >> david, so what does this tell you about chances for another debate. does it tell harris that she should do another one to move the needle or does it say that even with the dominant performance like the one she had tuesday, it can only do so much? >> i understand why vice president harris asked for second one, i was surprised. i think it's hard to repeat what we saw tuesday night. and for donald trump i think his vanities were so injured that now he says he doesn't want one but here's why he might change his mind because without something to change the narrative, alex, i think we might look back on this week as the week that vice president harris won the presidency. not because it was a knockout blow tuesday night but what tuesday night did was it cemented a narrative for the next 51 days that without a game changer that narrative is now stuck and that narrative was

honestly about donald trump who appeared unfit, unstable, and capable of wrestling with the truth. he lied to the american people and he couldn't answer questions on reproductive freedom, he lied about january 6th, lied about the 2020 election and had such a bad night that the one thing we do know is the drag on donald trump is trump fatigue. people think he's either to mean, divisive, too angry or they are just tired of him which is why vice president harris has landed on this message that we are not going back so there's a very strong performance by vice president harris. it wasn't a knockout but i think what happened was 70 million voters watched as that narrative for this race got cemented in a way that without something to change the narrative, we may look back and say this was the week that the vice president won the race. >> there's a new poll out of iowa and it shows hair significant we cutting into trump sleep.

he now leads by 4% but look at this, it's a massive difference from the 5232% leave that trump had against biden when he dropped out. look, it may be unlikely that harris wins iowa but what does the poll signal overall? >> it's unlikely that vice president harris wins iowa but i would suggest and we will see this week, that we are going to see these numbers and more states. first you have to amber that rock obama won iowa and iowa has had a democratic governor in the last 10 years. so iowa is not a completely red, red state like we see in the deep south but there are deep surprises coming out of the south and i think we will see numbers coming out of arkansas where my friend frank scott is winning as mayor of little rock. north carolina is legitimately a swing state. i'm very excited about iowa and

more excited that iowa is not going to be the only one that republicans have chalks up in their column which will be looking like it's at least a battleground which will require republicans to do some spending in places where they did not expect to, coming into this race. >> your take on these numbers from iowa? >> it's interesting because the survey was taken the day before the debate, the day of the debate and the date after the debate. so i'm curious to see how that falls out as a third and a third and a third. but, it makes me think of when minnesota all of a sudden looked like a battleground state for democrats and people got nervous. it shows me that people are starting to pay attention. and we will have a few outliers here and there but could i would be in play? i don't see it happening but what it does do is take donald

trump, who does not have as much money as vice president harris, it makes them spend money and places that they weren't prepared to defend. and that is what can make a real difference. >> jd vance said yesterday it would be quote very hard to win the election if they don't win the state of north carolina. harris held two rallies there this week. election models have labeled it a tossup. do you agree north carolina is critical and does harris have a real shot there? >> of harris wins north carolina, she's going to the white house. that's true of a couple of states for the fact that north county, georgia, arizona, other states are now becoming more competitive, it means that all trends are going towards vice president harris and you are seeing jd vance and donald trump scared, and that's why they're putting in the time. if they're having to focus on states that a month ago they thought they had in the bag, it tells you who is winning and losing the race. we are starting to see from super pac ads in the state of

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new today, really for drivers across the country as gas prices are on track to fall below three dollars a gallon for the first time in years. priscilla thompson is in houston, so pursuing, -- priscilla, what is behind the good news and the falling prices? >> reporter: very good news, and what is behind it is that demand globally and domestically is dropping which means numbers like that, $2.89 is what we are seeing in place across the country of those prices are not done dropping just yet. it's a day many drivers thought they would never see again. >> anybody else noticed that the gas prices just plummeted by like 40%. >> asked prices, dropping below three dollars a gallon in 17 states including here in texas. >> for here, it's good. >> that reaction in sharp contrast to what drivers were saying last year, when the

national average was more than $.60 higher. >> gas prices are pretty high. >> they just keep going up. >> but now, expert say the national average is on track to drop below three dollars a gallon next month. that's for the first time in more than three years. >> as we approach thanksgiving and christmas, it's possible the national average could fall as low to $2.75 per gallon. >> lower demand globally particularly in china with the slowing economy and among americans who tend to travel less in the fall and it's not just impacting your wallet at the pump. >> we should see a continued drop in grocery prices, airfares are already down and with the lower price of jet fuel it'll give airlines more latitude to potentially lower airfares further. >> on average, a domestic round- trip ticket will run you $240 according to the hopper. that's down 8% from this time last year but a word to the wise, consumers should enjoy it while it lasts.

>> enjoyed as long as you can. >> alex, of course, that's the big question, how long are the prices going to last? experts tell us prices will likely remain low through the winter but they are probably going to start to take up again in the spring as demand rises with more people hitting the road. >> i can but people get down to like three quarters of a tank and fill back up thinking i've got to take advantage of these prices, keep it as full as possible. >> reporter: we've had a lot of people that were like, that is the plan. >> thank you very much, priscilla. breaking news about the arrest of three u.s. citizens in venezuela. what we've learned, next. and a rive

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categorically false. the united states continues to support a democratic solution to the political crisis in venezuela. the allegations come as the united states has refused to recognize maduro's disputed victory in july's presidential election. joining me now, college men from massachusetts jake, let's get into this. i'm curious what you can tell us about these detained americans and this alleged plot. >> thanks for having me on, alex. nicholas maduro lost this election and lost it because he has pulverize the venezuelan economy and he's looking first gave goats like all autocratic regimes do. nothing like an american scapegoat, if you are an autocratic dictator so that's what he is seizing onto. but as the state department said, categorically false, and the united states will need to be clear that we expect all

u.s. citizens to be repatriated if they are being held unduly. >> let's get to president biden who held the talks with the uk prime minister over whether to allow u.s. -- ukraine to use long-range missiles to strike inside of russia. you have long advocated for this but the new york times reports president biden is deeply fearful of setting off a dangerous wider conflict. so what is the strategic advantage of green lighting using the muscles when putin warned that he would view that as the west directly engaging in the fight with russia? >> two words, the first is fear and the second is oil. fear, we cannot deal with russia from' or, for 15 years, the united states tried to softball russia, tried to appease russia, it didn't work. russia has become an autocratic regime that has brutally

invaded its neighbor. the real risk of escalation is an emboldened putin that takes kyiv and then looks to poland or moldova. we have to demonstrate strength. second word, oil. putin is funding this invasion off of his oil exports. ukraine has the capabilities of authorized by the united states to disable those refineries and thereby deal a debilitating blow to putin's ability to refine oil. >> okay, that would be potentially a target but it is unknown exactly how putin would respond. he's made threats against nato before but some experts are warning that he could launch a nuclear test or attack, the uk military asked installations that are near russia, should the u.s. take the threat seriously, and is there a way

to de-escalate the use of long- range weapons inside russia because this sounds like escalation. >> as someone once said of trump, take him seriously but not literally. putin is nuclear armed and of course we need to deter nuclear action. but, we cannot allow our strategy for victory to be dictated to by putin. that's what he wants and let's be really clear here. he is in the weaker position of the two parties. he launched this invasion two years ago intending to have a swift capitulation of kyiv and he has found himself locked into a brutal war. if president biden will authorize ukraine to make the strikes against russia's economy, if he will toughen up sanctions at the treasury department so that russia cannot export crude oil to help make up some of the hard currency losses and if we help to find victory in the western imagination as a secure eastern border and free navigation the

black sea, we can put ukraine on a long-term path of strength against a faltering kremlin regime but that requires decisive action from the administration. >> let's talk about another warfront. it's been nearly a year since the beginning of the war in gaza where the death toll has surpassed 41,000. israelis continue large protests demanding the release of the hostages and we've seen no recent developments and cease-fire talks. anger over the war has created an entire new voting block this election. how much will this way on the november race? >> i don't think it'll be decisive in the november race. americans tend not to have foreign-policy be a thought decisive policy unless u.s. troops are in combat and u.s. troops are not in combat for the first time in the 21st century. and i expect this is an issue

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