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a new abc/& poll shows a still tight race with vice president, harris at 52% of likely voters while former president donald trump stands at 46%. on the issue, the vice president leads on abortion, healthcare and protecting democracy and trump leads on immigration, the economy and inflation. one republican surrogate today say the economy is a winning issue for trump. >> if you look at the economy issues and these are issues i think the american people are most concerned about, i think that donald trump is the biggest, is the best choice. >> so you would advise him to keep talking about that and not pets in ohio. >> i suggest he talks about things he knows people really care about and things that could have an impact. >> one democratic surrogate in pennsylvania said vp harris is acutely focused on the economy and is offering actual solutions . >> in the last few days, some of the policies the vice

president has talked about, cutting taxes for people who are paying for child care, making sure small businesses get a tax cut, opening the doors of opportunity for more people to go to work by removing the college degree requirement. i can tell you, these are incredibly popular things in pennsylvania. >> new reaction this hour to trump's baseless claims of haitian migrants eating pets in ohio. jd vance is doubling down on the sunday talk shows. >> every time he talks about an immigrant, he makes it seem as if they have done something nefarious. it is not true. just because they are immigrants does not mean there is anything illegal about them. donald trump is married to an immigrant, as well as jd vance. your children are children of immigrants and you are going out and attacking other immigrants every chance that you get. ♪ ♪ meanwhile on the campaign trail this week, vice president harris will be in philadelphia

tuesday, thursday she will be in michigan for unite for america livestream event, friday she will be in wisconsin hall in tuesday in clinton, michigan followed by a rally in uniondale, new york on wednesday. we have a lot of reporters ready to go. we begin with and bc's aaron gilchrist at the white house. welcome, again. the vice president is launching a blue wall blitz. what states will she hit this week? >> reporter: vice president harris hit several states, she was in from pennsylvania four or five days last week, she is going back to pennsylvania this week. that is the key battleground voting state where early voting is about to begin with 50, 51 days left before the election. people will start casting ballots so the harris-walz campaign was to make sure they get out in front of potential voters in these critical states. tuesday the vice president will be in philadelphia for what the

campaign is calling a fireside chat with the national association of black journalists. that will happen in philadelphia. we understand then she will move on to michigan on thursday, she will sit down with oprah winfrey and a few hundred other people for a live stream event and on friday, a rally in wisconsin. at the same time, governor walz will be in georgia and in north carolina. there are many surrogates for the harris-walz campaign that are crisscrossing the country talking about this comparison between vice president harris and former president trump, try to make the case for voters who are still undecided to swing into the harris camp. i want you to hear a little bit about what transportation secretary pete buttigieg had to say this morning on "meet the press" speaking, not as transportation secretary but as surrogate of the vice president. he was asked about how she will differentiate herself from president biden and asked for some sort of an explanation on how some of her policies have changed over time.

>> she is also a pragmatic person, who knows that, you know, the reality of policy is that there is a give-and-take around your core values, principles and goals in order to get things done. she is going to keep making her case and as more americans contemplate the difference of her economic tax cuts and standing with workers in the middle class, the more they will like our economic message and not their unpopular project 2025 vision. >> reporter: the last part of what you heard the secretary say about sitting with workers is something the harris campaign and vice president harris herself repeated on the campaign trail, especially when you think about pennsylvania, alex, we know the vice president has spent time in those counties, counties that went for former president trump in the last election cycle, trying to chip away at the margins, if you will, trying to get at least one more voter, in each case, with the hopes that will help her win in

pennsylvania and a strategy that is really going out across all the battleground states in the last several weeks of this campaign as the vice president, we know, will be on the ground in at least three other states this coming week. >> leave no stone unturned. aaron, thank you for that. joining us now is jake traylor. trump is expected to be off the trail today but how was he looking to rebound this week after that rough debate performance? >> reporter: alex, we have that new abc poll out today showing voters cast harris as winner of the recent debate, 58% said she would be trump just 36% saying trump was he outright winner. he said it was such a knockout performance that now he will no longer be participating in future debates with vice president harris, despite previously saying he would agree to another one with nbc.

as for the weekend, the former president will be busy making his way through battleground states this week, michigan and north carolina, as well as stops in new york state and washington, d.c. and, alex, this continued week of busy campaigning for mr. trump comes amidst a story that has consumed the news cycle the last couple days spotlighting the town of springfield, ohio, after unbiased -- after those claims with no evidence, my dad. he was asked about a recent bomb threat in the community of springfield, ohio, amid of all this. listen to his response. >> reporter: do you denounce the bomb threats in springhill, ohio? >> i don't know what happened with the bomb threats. i know it has been taken over by illegal migrants. it is a terrible thing that happened. springfield was this beautiful town and now they are going through hell. >> reporter: alex, new reporting just moments ago, a source familiar told me trump is now actively planning a trip to springfield, ohio, expecting it to take place in. we have no word on exactly when that will be just yet but with trump now planning a visit to the town, that story , may i

remind you, no evidence of what is being accused by trump and his republican allies, but that story will continue to unfold. >> yeah, he calls them illegal migrants and he is wrong, they are legal immigrants. that would be interesting if he shows up to see who shows up, as well, to rally. heads up. also today, trump reporting his allies his ties to far right activist laura loomer could cost him georgia and north carolina. i want to bring in right now natasha, nbc news senior international political reporter and in the studio tara paul mary, senior political reporter. let's go to you first, natosha. thursday you sent up a flare about north carolina. we will get to that in a moment. first, what is the deal with trump and laura loomer? what are you hearing about why he is keeping her this close, in spite of his allies' concerns? >> he himself has called her a free spirit. i think, at a time when donald

trump feels like he needs people who support him unequivocably close to him, he wants to keep them closer. and right now, he is really taking off some people in his own campaign, that was the nbc reporting you just referred to, is showing there are eight in his own campaign who are saying, what is the stick this is too much. laura loomer, having her come on the plane, including doing a september 11 stop after false claims she made about september 11th and some other things, they are saying this is not the kind of symbolism they need, this is not the messaging they need coming out of that campaign right now. he has to hunker down and turn this back into about a referendum on joe biden's

presidency and kamala harris and make people realize that kamala harris was part of the biden presidency. instead, what he keeps doing is turning it back onto questions about him and how he is running his own show. >> way, maybe turn something back onto him? what it means for him? i just kidding, little sarcasm there. tara, even the "wall street journal" territorial board is playing off on a comic cartoon. the nbc report close this, trump li saying loomer's racist attacks could hurt trump with indian american and hindu voters in georgia and north carolina. do you think the trump campaign is at all mindful of these concerns? >> i am sure they are. they are strategists and professionals and there is a difference between trump and the trump campaign. they don't always sail on the same ship together. so, you know, they can try to keep, you know, people who bring up his worst instincts away from him but it is really hard as a gate keeper in the

trump world, he runs the show, you saw that in the four years he was in the white house. i think lehrer trump, that is a sign he is in a state of anxiety, maybe despair, manic. he needs a comfort creature near him, yes-man, another reason why he brought on corey lewandowski. a lot of people think that he allowed laura loomer to come back into the circle. i think when all the evidence around him says things are not going well for his campaign, he needs people to tell him otherwise that he could keep pritchard trading his own lies like saying his debate was a knockout. >> a knockout. >> i am not entirely convinced. i think he is using that for leverage. he is saying he is not going to debate to create the terms of the next one, perhaps the network. he already said he would debate now he won't. he goes back and forth.

>> i will drill down on the debate in a second. let's go to what natasha wrote, which is the postdebate energy, the turnout, as well, for vp harris in north carolina, saying the democrats hope to flip it blew for the first time since 2008. here is what both sides said yesterday about the tar heel state. let's all watch. >> just look at the electoral college. it is very, very hard for us to win unless we get north carolina. i feel very good about it. the state chair, you know, look, we feel like we are in a very good place here. >> when you have tens of thousands of volunteers in north carolina and i want to be on the record right here, we are going to win north carolina. in the last six months, i took four trips to eastern north carolina, not to charlotte, not to raleigh, not to key natasha but to poor, black folks in rural counties and spoke to

those folks. we will win north carolina this election cycle. >> natasha, did you find that in your travels there? >> first of all, that is true. dimensions -- democrats have momentum but they have a rural strategy, they have been deploying that for months, even before harris came to the top of the ticket. now they are really drumming down on that. what i saw personally and attend 350,000, greensboro, north carolina, there are 18,000 people who came out that night. it was packed inside the coliseum there. and it was basically an extension of the dnc. you remember the dnc, people dancing and all the music and people waving their arms in unison, that kind of stuff. it was really, really high energy that we saw coming from people. they were there hours before the vice president showed up and took the stage. and it was just a very jubilant event, you know, they feel they have momentum. if you talk to her aides, they know there is a lot of work to

do, including in places like north carolina. they are trying to make inroads there because they are feeling a little iffy about pennsylvania. >> still, tara, this conspiracy fallout is ongoing. you have j.d. vance, governor mike dewine, they are forced to continue talking about this. as a matter fact, they did so today. let's listen to what they said. >> you brought up my constituents. >> the president said 60 million people. >> if i have to to, if i have to create stories so that the american media actually pays attention to the suffering of the american people, then that is what i was going to do, danna. >> the hate groups are coming into springfield. we don't need these hate groups. i saw a piece of literature yesterday that the mayor told me about from purportedly the . springfield is a good city, good people. >> hang on.

vance said if i have to create stories so the american media pays attention to the suffering of the american people, that is what i will do? >> if i have to store up lies to incite xenophobia to make the issue of immigration and migration more important to voters when they go out -- >> that is a threat, bomb threats, school closures, hospitals, two of them. >> what they want is that when voters go out on november 5, or they mail in their ballots now, they won't talk about line to be what they don't want and they wanted to be on the economy and immigration. how are they juicing those issues? they are hiding these stories, this hysteria, creating xenophobia, which in turn, makes people care more about migration on the border. what's gonna be next? the economy is sinking? we are headed into the worst, you know, recession of all time, that will be nice, right?

in the same way democrats want voters to go out and think about abortion and healthcare and democracy. they will highlight stories getting out in parking lots, which are verified stories. these are the stories you are going to hear. the fact that the vice presidential nominee would say they are willing to create a story is very troubling. >> it is stunning. >> it is very, very troubling. let the facts speak for themselves. >> sure. >> we already have a border with a lot of issues. both candidates agree with that. that is where republicans are having a really hard time because they see kamala harris take the talking point from them and say, you know what? we want to shore up the border. we tried to with that bill donald trump told you to kill. where do we go and how do we make this work for democrats and they are making it hysterical, that is where they're going. >> natasha, tara, please stick around. next, we will talk about what campaign insiders are saying about a potential second debate between donald trump and kamala harris. we are back in 90 seconds. seco.

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debate compared to 36% who gave the nod to donald trump. natasha in tara back with me so, tara, you first hear. two campaign insiders, trump campaign insiders want him to do a second debate? >> i think they do because in the same way in 2020, we're trump watched the first debate, watching in horror, i am sure you recall this, they were coming at him and he went after joe biden and it was a very debate, he was clearly unhinged. there was terror and a similar vibe, he was very angry again. i think the second debate was better for him. i think he was able to chill out. they showed him video, nice and easy, he did a better job. he needs to, it would be to his favor if he can control himself.

as for kamala harris, i think she did a great job but i can see why they would want her to do a second debate, as well. because, again, she is still introducing herself to the american people and some undecided voters came out of that debate feeling better about her but still saying they wanted more of the fine print, more the details. she is a new candidate. she just came out a month and a half ago, two months ago. i don't think it hurts her, either. i think both candidates will debate. i think he is saying he won't debate because he is using it for leverage, that is what i heard from pollsters. that allows him to set the terms. in the same way the democrats were really able to, i think he is angry that he debated joe biden back in june, they got to debate in the fall and then he would be running against him right now. [ laughter ] >> things would be different. >> he is very angry about that. >> let me ask you, natasha, because the vice president again call for second debate when she was in north carolina.

two campaign insiders believe she needs another debate to get more specific details of her plan, as tara was saying? >> yeah, yeah, i totally think tara is right on there, both of these candidates stand to gain from debating again and for kamala harris, it is, again, with a lot of independent voters coming out right now, they are saying they want to hear more. they are not hearing enough yet from kamala harris. they want more specifics. that is the reason we will see more kamala harris, more of these local interviews that she and tim walz are doing right now. they are trying to hit these media markets in battleground states. i think there is just more exposure they can give her right now. that might give, you know, allay some concerns from those who think she doesn't have, you know, policies. they don't feel like they know enough to be able to elect her. maybe they do not like trumpet they just don't know enough about her. i think they also stand to gain and they are obviously very, very happy with her performance and they feel that she humiliated him. >> all right, natasha korecki

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♪♪ early voting kicks off this week in several states across the country. alabama voters already receiving ballots by mail. wisconsin will start mailing on thursday. friday, voters in minnesota, south dakota and virginia can vote in person and saturday, the next saturday, the deadline for absentee ballots going out to military and overseas voters. but notably tomorrow, in person, early voting starts in battleground pennsylvania. this morning, governor josh shapiro providing new insight into why his state will be the one to watch. >> i fully expect this to be a

close election. i will tell you, i think the vice president has some real wind at her back. what i am taking note of is in communities that are often ignored and left behind, kamala harris is showing up. >> let's bring in lieutenant governor of pennsylvania, austin davis. awfully good to welcome you back, i am glad to see you. so austin, on friday, the pennsylvania supreme court will rule that mail-in ballots with incorrect dates won't be counted. how would a ballot date be incorrect and what kind of effect could this have given the divide in pennsylvania? >> well alex, thank you for having me. when people get their ballot, they have to fill it out and sign it. when they sign it, they have to date it. sometimes people will put their birthday, they will leave it blank. it is really unfortunate that the supreme court decided not

to side with voters. we firmly believe that every voter's ballot should be counted. they filled it out and returned it on time, but maybe they made a superficial mistake, like forgetting to put the date on it, we should not be disenfranchising voters. i'm extremely disappointed in the supreme court's decision, but, you know, we have to encourage folks to make sure they sign and date their ballot when they return it with the correct date. >> great point. forbes says pennsylvania might be the most important prize in this election. why has your state become one of the most coveted states? >> you know, honestly, i think it is because pennsylvania is the most representative of america in a lot of ways. we have big cities, like philadelphia and pittsburgh, medium-sized cities like harrisburg, lancaster and chester but also vast amounts of rural communities. i think pennsylvania really represents overall america. i think this is going to be the

prize state to win. it is hard to see either candidate winning the election without winning pennsylvania. i really believe that vice president harris has the wind at her back. she has been showing up in communities that have often felt left behind, places like johnstown and works far, i know she will continue to keep showing up throughout the course of this election in the next 50 plus days that we have to talk about how she will improve her odds of working pennsylvanians, the lives of pennsylvania's, like me, i am the proud son of a union truck driver and a hairdresser, she is the candidate who will fight for pennsylvania workers. >> yeah, give me a sense of the factors that keep the race so close in pennsylvania, considering president biden won it in 2020. do you think is pennsylvania roots of them out there?

>> you know, i think biden's vision for working-class people in pennsylvania is what helped him ultimately win the election and i think the fact that kamala harris has been putting forth a vision to improve the lives of everyday americans and help bring costs down, help put more money in their pockets by cutting taxes, helping families with the child tax credit to create an opportunity economy for everyone, i think that is really going to resonate with pennsylvania's. you know, they are no stranger to her. she has been showing up as vice president. quite frankly, the contrast is clear. we know what donald trump did when he was in the white house. he sought to let a pandemic rage out of control. we saw crime skyrocket in our cities under his watch. we know what he is selling and pennsylvanians are not buying it at the end of the day. >> so "the washington post" broke down the ad spending for both candidates revealing both trump and harris, trump using the most cash in pennsylvania. give us a sense of, and if there is, a day loose of ads across the state. what are you hearing from your constituents on that? >> well we are certainly seeing a lot of ads both on tv and in

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new threats targeting the haitian community in springfield, ohio today. a local university canceling all activities after they received a shooting threat. meanwhile, jd vance doubling down on the false claims while implying he may be aware they are not accurate. >> the american media totally ignored this stuff until donald trump and i start talking about cat means. >> it wasn't just a meme. >> if i have to create stories of the american media actually pays attention to the suffering of the american people, that is what i am going to do, danna. you guys are completely letting kamala harris coast. >> kamala maggie vespa joins me now from nearby columbus, ohio.

um, okay. maggie, listening to that, let's look at it this way, what is the community telling u.s. these threats are growing more serious? >> reporter: well it is affecting everybody in the community, no matter how they feel about politics, how they feel about the influx of asian migrants in that community but, alex, i want to bring you breaking news we just got in the last couple of minutes. the vice presidential nominee this morning, turned out, his running mate, former president trump, according to a source familiar, is now planning a trip to springfield, ohio , quote, soon. we don't have a specific day, we don't have a specific sort of mechanism, time, how long he plans to be there, what he hopes to do while he is there. it is definitely something though you can imagine will only grow the spotlight, hard to say at this point what the repercussions of that may be but we talked to people in the community who are angry about any number of things right now.

of course, if you are a patient and you are the subject of these vicious conspiracy theories, i would you say at once and city officials say there is no evidence to support this but the online theory in the claim is that haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio have been kidnapping and eating peoples past. again, city officials say there are no reports, no evidence to support that. it is a very claim that donald trump is repeated on the debate stage earlier this week that rocketed this into the national conversation. it really hasn't died down since. we have had bomb threats at schools, hospitals, government buildings, even in a university campus was effectively closed because i got word of a possible shooting on campus late last night. springfield is really rocked by this, to say the least. i talked to the mayor yesterday. we haven't had a chance but we just got the news about donald

trump's visit in the last few minutes so we haven't had a chance to ask him about that but we asked him, obviously, about how this is being talked about on the national stage. here is what he had to say without mentioning former president trump by name, this is what he said about how this is playing out. take a listen. >> when people take the national stage, whether it is with the microphone platform or on social media, they need to understand what the cost of their words or their actions is going to do to a community. i think that is what springfield, ohio is living under right now, there has been a lie that has been posted about springfield and it has been repeated, double repeated and triple repeated. we would like that to stop. >> the mayor has been doing every interview he can to reiterate that point. he told me one thing, alex, he said, i am in a nonpartisan position, the mayor is a nonpartisan elected officer. we need to turn the temperature down. cut to today, a source familiar with former president trump is

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get started today and lose 15 pounds in 15 weeks. ♪♪ a new abc/it's us poll finds this debate did not move the numbers are there pitch. a resounding number of voters said kamala harris won the debate but barely moved the needle on trust over the issues and voters preferring her over donald trump. harris still holds 52 to 46% lead among likely voters. democrats say today her message will resonate with independent leaning voters. >> in communities that are often ignored and left behind, kamala harris is showing up. just a couple days ago she was in johnstown, pennsylvania and in wilkes-barre a few hours later. these are communities that often times feel ignored by

national democrats. she showed up and getting great crowds. i am feeling real enthusiasm. they like her positions. they think she is the light -- ripens person to lead us for. >> joining us now is shaniqua mcclendon and political commentator, former republican, ashley pratte oates. good to see you both. did you expect more? i am curious about your take away of these results. >> yeah, no, you know, she got into the race like two months ago. there was a lot of excitement when that happened. it was right after the last debate. we saw the democrats just really concerned about joe biden's ability to win. i think you saw all the enthusiasm rush in at that moment.

looking at the convention and the debate, she's just trying to like, i think she is deathly out of the honeymoon phase and is in a position where she needs to talk about her policies, where she wants to do and how people still get to know her. she has to fight a lot of nonsense coming out of the trump campaign but i think she is continuing to put her policies out there and making the case for why she should be elected because she is focused on happening >> helping everyday people and a stirring up more drama, distress and hate in the country. >> ladies, i would like to boast to standby for second, we have some pretty important breaking news to share. this is from a source familiar. i am reading the release. shots were heard on trump's golf course, where he was playing, in west palm beach, florida. trump was out golfing, he was immediately rushed to a safe place. he is safe and fine. this is all part a source familiar with us. i just want to note, nbc news has not yet independently verify there were gunshots fired well trump was that the golf course. you are seeing the official

statement from the campaign director. agrees, president trump is safe following gunshots in his vicinity. no further details at this time. again, we are getting word he was out golfing and was immediately rushed to a safe place. it took place at his golf course in west palm beach, trump international golf course. jake traylor has been following the campaign for us and is joining us on the phone. jake, tell me what you know of this, if it is anything more than what we have been able to report, partly from shaniqua and partly from your reporting. >> i want to be clear, this is very developing. >> reporter: it just happened moments ago. nbc news has not independently verified if those shots were fired and if they were gunshots well trump was on the golf course.

from a source familiar with the situation, there were shots heard on trump's golf course where he was playing in west palm beach, florida, earlier today. trump was out golfing when it took place and was immediately rushed to a safe place. he is safe and fine, per that source and was not impacted in any way physically from that. we are working to learn more right at this moment, alex. >> okay. i just want to reiterate, this is west palm beach, my understanding of that area, it is just over a water causeway from actual palm beach. mar-a-lago is in palm beach. this is the trump international golf course in west palm beach where this allegedly took place. jake, do you know what the president's schedule was today, how long he has been out? anyone know who he might be playing? i know a lot of this is kept under wraps. >> reporter: that is exactly right, alex. i was just speaking with a campaign source and i asked if they knew who exactly was there in that moment when this incident took place. they say they do not know who he was with. we do know the campaign, the

trump private plane landed in west palm beach yesterday evening after campaign events and a fundraiser that trump had so we know he has been there since last night in the area. today he was supposed to be down from any campaign public events. we know he is apparently taking a couple meetings here and there. of course, he was also on the golf course, as well. we do not know of any specific names or individuals. we are working right now to learn who exactly he was with golfing when this incident took place. >> yeah, do you know when he went out, how long he had been out on the golf course? >> reporter: that is something we are still working to learn, as well. we don't know at this time. a lot of times, especially when it comes to golfing, which as we know the president wants to do, he doesn't sometimes multiple times a week, we don't

have any clarification on what that looks like. a lot of times we are learning real-time via social media or real-time some of our viewers in terms of what is exactly happening on that golf course. a lot of times, that is more private. in this case, this incident took place, we are working to learn as much as we can as quickly as possible. >> okay, this is, everybody, very, very fluid. let me get a little more here. i have just been handed something while you were talking, so i have the advantage of being given this over you, jake. this is from jonathan dietz and tom winter, two of our most excellent investigative reporter at nbc network and at msnbc. the big picture here, apparently there were two senior law enforcement officials who are offering divergent briefings on one exactly happened. here is what they do know. donald trump was golfing in west palm. they do no shots were fired. one is suggesting initial indication is that trump was not the intended target but that is the instant analysis from the scene. whether that has been confirmed or will be confirmed, that remains to be seen. the other is saying, they are not sure on any kind of analysis yet.

they are not putting a lot of credibility into anything definitive saying donald trump was not the target. this all remains to be seen. we can confirm donald trump was not hit. so it apparently is being described by a senior law enforcement official that donald trump was on the golf course from what appeared to be the sound of gunfire that was heard in the nearby distance. as a precaution, how this went down, secret service moved him to safety. again, there is no definitive evidence yet he was targeted. police, federal agencies are looking into the cause of the sound of what may have been gunfire. no one has been reported injured. all of this is very preliminary. the local sheriff may have a briefing in the next half hour or so. there is a senior official who briefed more preliminary information saying donald trump was on the golf course in what appeared to be the sound of

gunfire in the nearby distance. we are getting redundancy from those we are hearing from. in the next half hour or so, we will see some more guidance. that has been given to us by a single source. we will certainly stay on that to see if the local sheriff is going to speak to this and what they have been able to find out. the important thing is, despite the prospect of gunfire in the nearby vicinity of donald trump while he was out golfing on trump international golf course, he was immediately rushed to safety. we can confirm he is fine. he was not hit. whether or not he was the intended target remains to be seen. one suggestion is that he may have been, but um, you have no analysis on that yet. the other is suggesting they do not believe he was the intended target. again, all of this is unfolding right now. it is very difficult to understand hard facts in a situation like this, as you can all imagine.

um, so, aaron gilchrist will join me from the white house. have you been briefed on this, beyond that which i have gotten which, again, is very, very preliminary. >> reporter: that is the state we are in at this point, alex, where there are bits and pieces of information coming into different members of our team from different sources. i can tell you the secret service just put out a very brief statement that i will read here. the secret service, in conjunction with the palm beach county sheriffs office, is the best getting a protective incident involving former president donald trump that occurred shortly before 2:00 p.m. the former president is safe. the palm beach, excuse me, i think the palm beach county sheriffs office will have more information soon. that is the extent of the statement we have gotten from

the secret service. obviously, the nature of this is such that the secret service would pull together the people who are on the ground with the former president, wherever he is, the secret service personnel there. leadership here in washington will figure out what happened, when it happened, how it happened, all those details. those are things that are sort of being walked through at this point. they have reached out, obviously, to the local law enforcement agency there and are trying to figure out exactly what happened. obviously, you know, golf courses are large, sprawling, pieces of property. there are questions about whether whatever happened was, you know, what proximity it had, not just to the former president, but to the golf course itself, whether it was something far out in the community that was just audible or something that happened on the property. those are all questions that have yet to be answered at this point. we will try to get those

answers from folks here in washington as well as folks in florida. >> what i do appreciate, you did bring a nugget in terms of the timing. we asked that question. you said it is reported to have happened just before 2:00 p.m. eastern, which would make it about an hour ago. of course, given the secret service and law enforcement officials, they would have plenty of time to whisk the president to safety. i am sure for security, we do not know his exact whereabouts right now. i will not ask you to tell me that. if the secret service relayed that to you, but you know, aaron, can you confirm he has been taken someplace safely , perhaps even back to mar-a- lago, you know, the distance between the golf course and mar- a-lago would not be all that far. >> reporter: you are right. we don't know exactly where he was moved to or if he has been moved again since any sort of additional movement. what we would typically see in a case like this is, secret service would come in. there would likely be agents on the golf course within steps of the former president. and when there were calls for alarm, whatever the nature of that alarm, those agents would move in and move to move the

president to a safe place. what that safe place would be in a situation like this, we just don't know the answer to that at this moment for that particular site. whether it was a building nearby, or a vehicle that is armored nearby, where the president, the former president could be protected in that way. rest assured, the secret service would move him to a safe place and then there would likely be additional movement was the secret service determines it is safe to make those movements. those are all questions that are yet to be answered in this specific instance. from things we know over the course of time, watching how these things, these sorts of incidences evolve, we know the secret service will move in to immediately create a safe environment and make additional movements as they deem appropriate. >> 100%. please don't go anywhere, aaron. i will bring in the former fbi and msnbc national security analyst. frank, given your experience there, do you think the likelihood is that trump will

be remaining in the region or they would get him into an armor car -- armored car and get him back to mar-a-lago, given that this took place in west palm beach. it is a quick drive over a causeway to get him back to the safety and security of mar-a- lago. how do you think this will be going down? this was about an hour ago. >> based on what we know, which is very little at this point, it is certain with a degree of probability they will be moving him to a much safer location within mar-a-lago that, of course, for years they have designated as a safe room. they may have multiple safe rooms within mar-a-lago. i think that is the logical thing. but this will unfold quickly, with regard to the sheriff's office coming in, saturating the area in a search. perhaps even using, it is a

very large incapable sheriff's office, they can put a plane up, even drones up, to try to find the source of this noise. i do trust secret service when they say they believe the sound they heard was a gunshot. they know what a gunshot is. they even may know the caliber, whether it's in a like a rifle or a pistol. so there is a lot going on here. there are a lot of guns in palm beach county. >> yeah. >> the targeting of donald trump, i do still think they are moving him to a safe room. also, the fbi has a sizable resident agency, they are located in west palm beach. i would expect that at a minimum they are in contact with secret service and vice versa. you know, suggesting or offering any help they can give and why is that?

because, if indeed it is determined this was something more than a random gunshot or something else, then the investigation moves to the fbi. if they are talking about a secret service protective. secr. >> okay. let me ask you about the location. this again is on a golf course. it is not well protected. when you have a golf course with 18 holes, it is a beautiful open space. do you think something like this, frank, could force the trump campaign, the former president as well, to consider staying off golf courses? it is heightened times. this is a man who back in july, someone took a shot at him and he survived an assassination attempt. do they could be reasonable for

the campaign to consider saying mr. president, i am sorry, but golf is not something you are going to be able to do in the near future until we get a handle on proper security. if that is even possible in a golf situation. >> a couple thoughts. don't think this particular protect d would accept the suggestion and they are infrequent battles over giving guidance and recommendations versus saying absolutely not, you cannot do this. i think you would balk at the gulf prohibition. right after the butler, pennsylvania, attempt on trump, you are the active secret service director make a public comment that really struck me which was that in open carry states, they are no longer comfortable with open-air events . so, that really struck me that we have reached a point where the u.s. secret service is now concerned about the challenges anywhere of an open space event