i don't think we should be providing a blank check when it comes to weapons. you can't have a situation where netanyahu's government continuously rebuffs the president of the united states and is rewarded. i have said i support defensive arms. i do not support an embargo. i accept the tools of diplomacy. i don't support an anything goes blank check. we do not do that with other security partners around the world. we say that, we want to provide help. but we also have the objectives in this case the object is the

president has laid out. and therefor, we should use all the tools tools that are at our disposal. so i'm going to look at it. >> that is all in on this wednesday night. good evening alex. >> thank you my friend as always. great show. today started with what should have been bomb shell news. from the wall street journal. last monday, jd vance's team contacted officials in springfield, ohio to fact check claims about haitian immigrants eating pets. the springfield city manager told vance's people point-blank there was no verifiable evidence or reports about immigrants eating pets. the city manager told vance's team that the claims were baseless. but still, j.d. vance repeated them online. and the next day, trump used one of the biggest platforms in the world an american presidential debate to push those claims again.

claims his campaign knew were lies. this new reporting from the wall street journal should be devastating to the trump campaign. but the stunning thing is they probably won't care. because trump and vance invocation of springfield was never about the truth to begin with. springfield is less important to them as an actual place with actual people and more important to them as a symbol. >> look at that. you can see the four states that border springfield, ohio, nevada, maine and kentucky. >> the simpson's famously take place in springfield. not any particular springfield but springfield. that's because it's supposed to be a stand in for any town usa. there's a springfield in 24 states in the country. so springfield really could be just about any where. >> active participation is the

basis of good citizenship. don't you think that the habits you form here at home is the ones you're going to take into your community life. >> reporter: you might also know springfield as the setting of the 1950s sitcom and that is also meant to be any town usa. this is the springfield that matters to donald trump and j.d. vance. the springfield of retrograde, imagination. the actual story of springfield ohio is it sprang into assistance because of funding of the federal government and the building of the nation's first highway. it was first settled by irish immigrants in the 1800s then german immigrants then black americans heading north as part of the great migration. the real story of springfield,

ohio is a story of immigration and integration. but donald trump and j.d. vance don't want to tell that american story. the story of expansion and growth. day want the tv springfield. where nothing ever change, and everyone looks the same and there are white picket fences as far as the eye can see. trump and vance want to use a symbol of that springfield to stoke fear and paranoia about change. specifically that haitian immigrants 15,000 of them are descending on every town usa and they are ruining it. so springfield has become a symbol for trump and his running mate. a symbol that they can use at their rallies across the country. a cautionary tale about immigrants and people who don't look like you or speak the same language and what they might do to your america. in that way it doesn't matter to trump and vance if haitians

are actually eating cats or dogs. what matters is the way that springfield can be perverted to make the case that outsiders are poisoning the blood of this country that they are vermin and that they are destroying the country from the inside out. >> if i have to create stories, just what does it mean. >> so that the american media actually pays attention to the suffering of the american people then that's what i'm going to do. >> that is why you will never ever hear j.d. vance or donald trump back down from their claims about springfield, ohio. because to them, springfield isn't really in ohio, it is a symbol of the maga world view. >> we've talked a lot about how we need to deport illegal aliens but i wanted to ask you the majority of the haitians in springfield are here legally. my question for you is, if you become the vice president under a trump administration, what will you guys do about the

migrants that are already there since they did arrive legally. >> well if kamala harris waves the wand, illegally and says these people are now here legally, i'm still going to call them an illegal alien. >> tonight, donald trump held a rally at the nassau coliseum in long island in new york. long island is an incredibly different community from the actual town of springfield in ohio but the symbolism of springfield that trump and vance are using that works here too. long island is also experiencing demographic change. there are lots of immigrants including haitian immigrants and more recently there's a large influx of migrants from south and central america. and again, the reality here is that long island much like springfield, ohio, is the product of generation after generation of immigration and integration. but rather than lean into the reality of america's past, trump and vance are using their lies to gin up fear and

paranoia. >> how about in springfield, ohio, they had 32,000, this is a little beautiful town. no crime. no problem. 32,000 illegal immigrants come into the town. so the mayor of springfield, and i think he's a very nice person. but instead of saying them we're getting them all out. we're getting them out. he says very simply, we're hiring teachers to teach them english. we're hiring interpreters so when they go to school and take the place of our children in school, we have an interpreter each one will have a pry vat interpreter. what the hell is wrong with our country. no, no. we're getting them out of our country. they came in illegally. they're destroying our country.

we're getting them out. they're going to be brought back to the country from which they came. >> there are not 32,000 illegal immigrants in springfield, ohio. there are about 15,000 legal haitian immigrants. but when trump lies like this, it isn't actually about springfield. it is about his plans for all of america. >> they're coming from the congo, they're coming from africa, they're coming from the middle east. asian, a lot of them coming from asian. and what's happening to our country is we're just destroying the fabric of life in could your -- of our country and we're not going to take it any longer. we have to get rid of these people. give me a shot. you're going to have a safe new york in three months. three months. >> trump's campaign was told over a week ago by springfield officials that the lies they were spreading was not true. today three grocery stores in

springfield had to be evacuated because of bomb threats. that comes on top of literally dozens of other bomb threats the city has received in the last week. but trump is still pushing this stuff. now the american right are descending into springfield. with the proud boys, and the ku- klux-klan sendening out fliers. tomorrow trump himself has now said he plans to visit the ohio town. and as much as in story should have ended last monday when trump's team was told their claims were lies, well. it seems trump's story of springfield is only just beginning. joining me now is denise williams, president of the springfield, ohio chapter of the naacp. mrs. williams, thank you for being here. we're so eager to hear about how you're grappling with all of this and let's just start

there. what is life like in springfield right now? >> well first of all, thank you alex for having me. i have to tell you, this is, it's a mess here. i don't know if i can clearly express the issues that we're having here. as you stated earlier in your statement, three grocery stores had to close. because of bomb threats. every day we are waking up to not one bomb threat, two, three. the schools have been threatened with bomb threats. my grandchildren are not safe. it has been a complete and total nightmare here. >> what does it mean given the fact that it's a nightmare, that donald trump wants to come to springfield. what does that mean for life in springfield as far as you see it. >> as far as i see it i'm going

to tell you the truth alex. it's going to make things worse. i am begging for the government to help us with this, he does not need to come here. i mean, the simple fact that he has had the truth said time and time again, by our city manager, by our mayor. and to no avail, he and his running mate are still pushing this false narrative. i don't know what the angle is with this, but, we do not need him here right now. he has put us all in danger. trust me. the entire community. >> there are reports that the proud boys, the blood tribe and neo nazi group marched in the town. you know we have reports about

the ku-klux-klan distributing fliers. you're the head of the naacp of the town. what was it been like? >> springfield communities are angry. those who are not voting for trump and his his vice. we are angry you know, listen, we cannot, i cannot send my grandchildren, my grandson to the high school right now for fear. and i really don't want my youngest grandson who is six to go. these guys, you got proud boys, you got all these hate groups marching in the streets. and nothing is being done. nothing is being said about them. i mean, i get the free speech of things, but this is a city

of love, compassion. this is a city of hope, we don't understand how and why we made the debate stage. why that these hate groups feel empowered to come here and guess what, they are unmasked. they don't care. who they are. they don't care about showing their faces. so, for trump and j.d. vance to not care about the citizens in this city, is disgusting. and to continue to push, to continue for him to push this false narrative, is horrible: it's i can't find words to put into that. i just can't imagine why he, go ahead, i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry to cut you off. i do wonder because it's so clearly not true what he's

saying. are neighbors having conversations with neighbors. are you saying to people who might otherwise be trump supporters. these are lies and you know as well as i do they are lies. are those conversations happening on the ground? >> yes, they are. but as long as trump is saying it it doesn't matter. it's falling on deaf ears still in our communities. for trump supporters they're not willing to hear what the truth is. they're believing everything they're saying and they're carrying out his hate. >> i know mrs. williams that you were around for the race riots in dayton in the 1960s. i wonder if you can compare that moment. we're all trying to get some perspective of how the country is failing at the seams. i wonder if you can put together that time in the country and this one now.

since you've lived through both. >> i was probably 13 or 14 when this happened. it was my cousin that a group of white guys drove by and shot him while he was sweeping off his sidewalk. and i remember my parents telling us to pull the shades down and cut the lights out. and then the aftermath. i used to still could smell the scent of fire. you can still hear the gunshots. so back then the kkk and those guys were masked. right now, they have been emboldened by trump and his people. i can tell you the atmosphere is the same. as a matter of fact i predicted this back in january, february, march. my chief of police can tell you

i said to her, we are only the brink of something happening. and we are not prepared. now here we are. the atmosphere is the same. we have to watch where we're going because we don't know. is this our neighbors that's part of this hate group. because now they're not disguised they're coming in and they don't have the face masks on. so, for me, this is a, i can't compare it. i can only say the atmosphere feels the same. because i lived through that. >> denise williams president of the springfield ohio chapter of the naacp. mrs. williams we are sending you our best wishes and thoughts and strength for what is just, an appalling chapter in american history. thanks for your time tonight,. >> thank you so much for having me, alex. god bless. when we come back, it is

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first place. >> reporter: today j.d. vance spent half his time at a rally that all the rants he's being having has been a conversation he's been trying to have about affordable housing. it's not at all. it's about people eating cats and dogs. it is not clear that j.d. vance really wants to talk about affordable housing as much as he would like to continue about propagating lies about black and brown people just like his running mate. joining me now is michelle goldburg and heather mcgee, author of the sum of us and the chair of the board of color of change.

michelle and heather. i'm so eager to talk to you about what exactly is happening here. michelle i want to start with you. we spent the last segment on the show talking about a person on the ground in springfield because of with the lies that trump and vance have been spreading. what's stunning to me is how they've been openly embracing the replacement period that black and brown people are here to destroy the country and take it away from you. >> it's appalling but not stunning. it's been part of the trump strategy since he came down that elevator. and what's interesting is that even the republicans in springfield, you know the mayor is a republican. there's a republican governor. there was a story about a trump supporter who at first accused haitians of stealing her cat. then she found her cat which was like in the basement. and used a google translator to go next door and apologize to

them. so there's a level of decency even among some of the maga types in that area that you are not seeing at all from their leaders. and i think that, i think in way that they sort of revel in the fact that they're not going to be bound by facts. that they're not going to be bound by truth. that they can pretend that it's fine to make up stories in the service of what they see as a higher truth and to help us all talk about what they want to talk about. >> i do think heather, they're pretty open about the fact that springfield is a spring board if you will. a metaphor for the change they see in america that they want to stop at all costs. where there's plenty of immigration and it's, abundantly clear. that the issue is not necessarily haitian migrants it's brown people. and the influx of brown people to america. i just want to play this for everyone who missed it in the

block. this is just a few minutes ago in long island. >> they're come from the congo, they're coming from africa, they're coming from the middle east, they're coming from all over the world. asian, a lot of it coming from asian. and what's happening to our country is we're just destroying the fabric of our country and we're not going to take it any longer. give me a shot. you will have a safe new york within three months. three months. >> it shouldn't be surprising but it doesn't make it less chilling heather. i mean what do all those people have in common. they are the fabric of america. asians, black people, people of latino heritage. i mean that's america and that's not what donald trump wants to be america. what's your reaction? >> you know in my book the sum of us i write about how this core question of who are we as americans, what are we to one another. and who's responsible for the

massive rise and inequality is the forum of our politics right. here a multimillionaire, maybe billionaire depending on the day. his running mate also a ritual street guy. saying blame the diversifying country. blame people who come to this country with very little to their name who are doing exactly what most of the white people you're speaking to. your ancestors did when they were irish and polish and german and swedish and blame them not wall street for the housing crisis. right. blame them not the big corporations for shipping your job overseas. it is a direct deflection of blame for the angst that many americans feel, white, black and brown about how hard it is to get by. and so, you have to look at what is the strategy. it's not just about hate and demonization and emotions and morality, it's about economics. it's about greed. and the big problem here is if

they were to go and act their racist agenda, mass deportation of cutting off asylum. economists left, right and center have calculated that it would cost the american economy far too much in springfield, ohio. the reason why officials at the local and state levels are lining up to defend the haitian community is because they have created a little bit of an economic rebound in a place that they were boarded up shops on the main street and where like so many places in the postindustrial country, there was population loss. and so, the influx of the people who are coming to this country to help rebuild it is an economic boom. and it is what i call drained pool politics to say, fear an integrated america. go ahead, drain the pool. be willing to have the economic

consequences of not being willing to swim with people who you don't look like. and we know how that story ends. >> yeah, and she's absolutely right michelle about the economic consequences despite cutting off your noise to help your face. which is what trump is pushing. do you support the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants, again which the haitians are not a group a part of that. they're not a part of that group but nonetheless. 64% of the country supports it. 42% opposes it. people are being conned by this narrative that the immigrants are the root cause of any economic despair american workers may feel. i also think that maybe kamala harris and i think she started to do this. needs to do more to explain what mass deportation actually looks like. like what it actually looks like to have either the national guard or whatever kind of police force trump envisions

going to communities, rounding people up. setting up a network of massive camps across the country. i think that people, i think some percentage of those people say. police crack down that police are doing what they have to do. at the same time there's a very substantial political appetite for this. and i think that's why, this you know, at first, kind of people either laughed at they're eating cats and dogs or they gaped in horror. but there's a reason why even if they are revealed to be blatantly lying and even if they wink and lie and revel on the lie they keep at it. because they know that this strikes a cord with people.

you know as heather said who are extremely anxious and angry about a change in country. and so, it's kind of, it doesn't need to actually, it doesn't need to be true, it may be feeling true to these people. >> i think it raises the question on whether you think there's enough push back in the left about the narrative of people in the country. generally speaking when you talk about the immigration crisis in the country and even when you look at the politics and capitol hill, the ideology about the borders being shut and the immigration is bad for the country has become ascendant. i wonder whether you think more vociferous push back has to imminent from at least the progressive left. >> i think that's an excellent point. i think what most people don't

understand when they hear undocumented immigrations. they think that it's someone who broke the law. they have no idea how difficult it is to migrate to this country. they have no idea that if they're white, their ancestors faced zero of those barriers to legally come into the country. many white americans in the 19th century were able to actually vote in states and cities even if they weren't citizens, right. this is a very, very different you know immigration regime that today is more diverse future americans are facing. that's the starting point is there's this sort of good, bad, criminal versus citizen, morality that's put on the story from the outset that hasn't been corrected. that isn't part of the narrative. and so that have bled into policy. we have gone more than two

decades without comprehension immigration reform. they've had the dreamers, the kids who didn't do anything wrong. they were taken here by their parents. because they didn't do anything wrong they got carved out as good immigrants. we have to stop the moralizing about what it means to come to this country and try to make a better life. and we've got to fundamentally rewrite our immigration laws. and most all for communities like springfield. for communities where there is such population loss. and where we finally got you know more factories opening up. more manufacturing happening in this country since the 1970s because of the biden-harris economic policies but now it's time that we have enough people to work in those factories and we refill the pool of public funds for all americans no matter where they come from or as vice president harris says

no matter what language their grandmother speaks. >> it's so so great to have you both here tonight. i really appreciate your time. thank you. coming up, today kamala harris received some very good polling news. in some key battleground states. we're going to talk to simon rosenburg coming up next.

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new polling out today shows vice president kamala harris leading donald trump in three blue wall states. she's up by six points in pennsylvania. five points in michigan and one point in wisconsin. the only state within the polls margin of error. this may be part of a more national trend in harris' favor. the latest in one register poll from iowa shows trump leading by just four points in that state after leading president biden by 18 points in june. joining me now is simon rosenburg, veteran political strategist and author of the hopium chronicles. thank you for being here tonight. i think a lot of people would like a dose of hopium. if you see a connection between harris gaining 14 points in iowa and doing better potentially in these three blue wall states. do you see, should we be

connecting dots there about what white working class voters might be doing or is that overstates the case. >> here's what we know. since the debate the election is probably shifted one or two points or even a little bit more in her favor. what it's saying is she's gaining ground. you're seeing a lot of state polls that show her at or about the 2020 numbers: she's sitting basically where joe biden was in 2020 either at the floor and in some states she's doing better. i mean those polls in michigan and pennsylvania, biden only won those states by a point and she's up by three or four points. i think we should feel good by where we are. the debate really helped her and it really hurt donald trump. i think the aftermath of what you covered in the way they

tried to change the subject into this eating cats and dogs has been a huge failure for them. i think we're in a strong state right now. where things are better. the most important thing we're about to see as the voting season begins on friday with early in person voting is that we are just have a much stronger capacity to close. so it's much more likely that we gain a little bit in the coming months than them in my view. >> in your blog today talking about the race as it stands and the relative strength of the ticket, you noted one of the most remarkable bits of data is how well liked the democratic ticket is. close to territory of favorables and most favorables in most polls. do you attribute that to the likability is.

the lie that donald trump is focused on. i think it does gin up his taste but is it distasteful to all americans even in they don't have opinions about american haitians. >> the debate did what campaigns wanted it to do. which was create this contrast between this capable and moderate. smart vice president and him. the ugliness of trump and all the ugliness of maga. it was on full display for 90 minutes and it changed the race. there's a general view in polling that we're now in a point given polarization that we may never see a president again in positive. and harris is in favorable and in some polls above. it's a big positive for democrats. because as people have to make a decision our side seems more

favorable. in a more favorable light. trump continues to make this negative noise. i think we have a joyous positive message to take to the american people. all they have is anger and ugliness. and i think that's also not going to serve them well when they're behind in the race as they are now. they don't really have the ability to generate positive stories about their ticket anymore. and that's a big problem when you're losing. >> do you think the teamsters nonendorsement matters. i think it's 59.6% of the union supported a trump endorsement. does that worry you? >> we'll see, i think we have to recognize as a starting place this ticket has more enthusiastic union support than any ticket in modern times for the democratic party. and we also saw a lot of state and local teamsters in the battlegrounds endorsed today. so they were essentially even though the national didn't endorse, in the battlegrounds where it really matters is you

saw a lot of endorsements from local teamster unions. i think net-net we will still have the most enthusiastic labor support than a democratic ticket has had in a lot of decades. i'm not sure that it's really going to be consequential but we'll see. i feel like the campaign has worked very, very hard to make unions and union workers and union leaders central to everything that they're doing and they were very on display in the convention, right. and so i think that net-net i think we're in good shape. but we have to try to pull as many of these teamsters into our side. >> the hopium dealer of america. thank you. >> thank you. it is coming just in time for election day. we're going to get into that just after the break.

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it was chaos today in lebanon as a second wave of exploding devices, walkie- talkies belonging to members of the militia and political party hezbollah, killed at least 20 people and injured hundreds more. yesterday hundreds of pagers belonging to hezbollah were detonated, injuring 12 and -- killing 12 and injuring 3000 others. israel was somehow able to tamper with the devices and turn them into deadly explosives. joining me now is editor at large of jewish currents magazine.

thanks for joining me. my first thought is the scope of damage that this caused. granted they were trying to target hezbollah, but children died in the course of this. thousands of people were injured. have you read israel's motivation? >> first of all there is something to me that is sickening about the kind of geewhiz, isn't this cool kind of coverage of this. this is real life. these are people's lives including a lot of innocent people who have been killed. beyond the destruction of human life, strategically i have yet to hear anyone explain how this makes any sense. israel went to fight a war in gaza that benjamin netanyahu vowed would destroy hamas. you notice almost nobody in the israeli security establishment anymore claims they can destroy hamas. so they couldn't destroy hamas, which is considerably weaker. why on earth would you believe

they can destroy hezbollah? they have a problem because hezbollah is launching rockets into the north of israel and israelis need to return to those homes, but the answer to that is clear. if you get a cease-fire in gaza, the rocket stop and you have an opportunity for diplomacy to bring those israelis back. instead having failed in one war, you want to start a bigger one? >> i do wonder, is that what it is? is it basically a distraction from failures in gaza and the attempt to stay at war no matter what the cost? >> i think that is partially at and i think benjamin netanyahu and people around them think they have this hammer. the israeli military can do technologically remarkable things, so they think every problem is a nail. israel cannot destroy and defeat hezbollah militarily. as a political problem with the palestinian people and hezbollah is related to that problem. if you don't address that problem, you are never going to

have security for your own people, let alone palestinians and lebanese. >> do you think this was some kind of twisted effort because israeli security forces failed so stratospheric lee on october 7, of proving they still have the ability to gather intelligence and play the long game when it comes to, i won't even call it spy games, but warfare. >> some say this will restore deterrence, but what does that mean? nobody actually believes you are going to solve your problem with hezbollah by doing all of these things. what you will likely do is get hezbollah to launch some of its rockets into israel, so instead of only the north of israel, tel aviv will have to go underground into bunkers, right? unless you deal with the political problem, you will never solve your security problem. >> and we are headed into the u.n. general assembly and i guess the question is, what does the biden administration do about all of this? it certainly doesn't make life easier for president biden or kamala harris headed into the

election. >> the biden administration simply can't go around the world saying that the difference between america and our adversaries like russia and china is we believe in the rule of law. the rules-based international order. how many times have they said that, right? and then continue to arm and protect israel when israel does things that are blatant violations of international law. none of this is to say that hezbollah is a good actor, that hezbollah does not have blood on its hands as well, but ultimately the answer is a political solution based on the rights and dignity of all of the people and if you keep evading that and brutalizing people even more, you are making it more dangerous for everybody and america is bankrolling that. >> and then there is the naked political reality that anything that benefits netanyahu is not necessarily going to benefit joe biden and kamala harris or democrats. >> you are talking about