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states that could decide the outcome feel about both candidates. post debate polling from the "new york times" and sienna college has this race between kamala harris and donald trump deadlocked nationally. but it's a different story when you zoom in to battleground pennsylvania. vice president harris is up 4 points among likely voters there, albeit within the margin of error. we'll dig deeper into the numbers, including why the share of voters who wanted to learn more about harris before last week's debate have largely remained unconvinced. new quinnipiac polling also has the vice president leading trump in pennsylvania as well as in michigan and wisconsin. though all three of those key state results are also within the margin of error. in other words, a dead heat. so what are both candidates doing today to connect with voters? harris is continuing her battleground sweep, she'll be in michigan today alongside oprah winfrey for a live stream event aimed at urging americans to register to vote. meanwhile, donald trump is

taking a brief pivot away from the swing states. he just left reliably blue new york. he's now in route to washington, d.c. for a pair of campaign speeches. let's get right to it, and joining us now, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard, and white house reporter and coauthor of "politico's" west wing play book, eli stokols, good to see you guys. so, vaughn, what is trump's strategy? hitting up the reliably blue areas like new york and d.c., 47 days out from election day, and is his message to those voters in the blue states any different? >>. >> reporter: right, and this is coming at a crucial time. ballots are being mailed to voters, including in wisconsin, and a great many counties literally today. so for donald trump, he made a decision to have a campaign ral ly on long island. but also donald trump is still contending that he thinks he can win the state of new york, for

him, he is the chief strategist of his campaign. he's using new york to call for the reinstatement of state and local tax deductions. these were roll backs part of the 2017 tax law that he signed into law in 2017 while he was in the white house. and so he is using new york as a backdrop where state and local taxes are higher than some other more of the red states where he oftentimes goes and campaigns. tonight he's going to be here in washington, d.c., just a block from where we are right now. he's going to be delivering remarks on combatting anti-semitism is how the event is being billed. this is an event that was put on similarly last month at his bedminster club by miriam, this is for donald trump, coming at a time, when he is calling into question the harris campaign but be overtly calling into question

actions around him, yesterday, the fed cutting rates, suggesting that that amounted to federal election interference, and then also noting that iran hacked materials from his campaign and per the fbi sent some of that material over to the harris campaign, though there is no evidence that they used any of that material or were even aware that that material was in some of the campaign official e-mail indexes yet. donald trump put a post suggesting that kamala harris should resign in disgrace. for donald trump, this is a campaign that often has many fingers and legs and arms to it here, and coming at this crucial time, of course, he's focusing on some blue states, while also calling attention to several issues, oftentimes those of which, you know, other republicans would maybe like him to focus more so on. >> eli, let's talk about vice president harris's battleground strategy right now, specifically when it comes to the top issue for many many voters, the economy.

we've seen her campaign make a pretty big pivot, really, from biden's economic pitch, focusing on the care economy, instead of biden's core message of rebuilding domestic manufacturing in blue wall states, is this pivot working? >> i think it's safe to say, ana, that she needs to do a whole lot more of it. the small bump that she got after a debate that pretty much most people who watched it said that she won decisively. the reason she didn't get as much of a bump, i think, is because she chose to go after donald trump, the most defined politician in decades, perhaps in american history. she spent less time shading in the details of her own agenda and her own plan. there was some of that. she's the undefined candidate. she's the new person in this race, and voters, maybe they like what they've seen so far, but they say they want to know more, and she is campaigning, you know, her campaign said post debate they're entering a new intense campaign. they'll be in four battleground

states this week. she's only traveling three out of the seven days this week, and i think the event in michigan with oprah winfrey tells you a little bit about the organizing strategy, right, this is online organizing. they have 200,000 people that have rsvp'd to watch this online. this will be streamed on harris and winfrey's platforms. there are tens of millions of followers they're hoping to reach, and talk in a friendly environment, an interview conversation with oprah winfrey about some of these plans in more detail, and get some of these people the information they seek. the people who are already following oprah winfrey and kamala harris, rsvping to an event like this, they are probably already locked out. does this reach the low information voters, maybe they only caught a little bit of the debate. that remains to be seen. the campaign is going to try hard to get this out, get clips of this out, and you are going to see her on the road again in

georgia and wisconsin tomorrow. so she is getting out there, but for a candidate who is the unknown candidate in this very tight race still, they are still playing this somewhat conservatively as we're inside the seven week mark until election day. >> vaughn hillyard, eli stokols, thank you for bringing reporting from the campaigns. joining us is former special assistant and former director of message planning to president biden, meghan hays, and jennifer horn. ladies, thank you for joining us. meghan, let's dig into the polling here. the times and seen college, harris is ahead in pennsylvania, but then you look nationally in this same poll, she's tied with donald trump. "new york times" chief political analyst nate cohen describes it as puzzle. what do you make of it? >> i'm one of those people, you don't live and die by the polls. the only poll that matters is on election day. while it's great to see movement

in the battleground states, those are a snop shot in time of today, and probably post debate where she is getting a little bit of bump like your previous guest mentioned. where it is puzzling to be tied nationally, and ahead in battleground states, it's important to see growth and movement here. it's a positive trend but i would focus on the cross apps and polls that came out yesterday where she's closing the gap on what people trust her versus trump on the economy and the immigration issue. she's closing the gap. it's important too. there's more to the polls than just the overall horse race. >> let me pick up where you left off on the key voter issues. i want to show new numbers from quinnipiac. harris is chipping away at trump's top issues in the key swing states, the economy and immigration, and you look at this, trump's only up two points on the economy in places like michigan and pennsylvania.

there's only one point difference between them on immigration in michigan. jennifer, this has to be a major red flag for trump's campaign, no? >> absolutely it is. absolutely. those one points, two points, talking about the margin of error there, and i think the harris campaign has taken really strong steps in kind of shifting her messaging a little bit as we've seen. i think we've just saw some information today, addressing latino voters from an economic standpoint. that's another important shift. some of the work we're doing at women for us, shows clearly that there are moderate republican women in the swing states, tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of them across the u swing states that are open to voting across their part line on the issue of jobs and the overturning of roe v. wade. the issues are going to push the

voters. so it is encouraging, i think, for a lot of people out there to see the harris campaign starting to focus in on the issues that they are. >> when you look at other key voting groups, meghan, we have this new poll from howard university on black voters in the seven core battleground states. 82% say they will vote for harris. only 12% say they will vote for trump. 5% are still undecided. if you're the harris campaign. how are you looking at those numbers, and what's your next move? >> i think it is a little bit concerning. i think she needs to be in the 90% range. that's been widely talked about. you know, i think joe biden within 87, 88% of black voters. i think there are a lot of target areas, like black men, for instance, really need to hear more about the economy, and what her policy are specifically to build black economic success in our country, which i think her and president biden have started to do, but i think she could really expand on that. i think there are positive numbers for her, but i to think for her to win some of these states like georgia, north

carolina, she will have to move those numbers closer to 90. she has work to do with black voters. >> in 2020 in the exit polls, joe biden had a bigger gap with trump at the end of that election. jennifer, trump continues to be surprised that the race between him and harris is so close. i want to play this moment from his interview on fox last night. this is with greg gutfield, watch. >> he got out and they put her in, and she somehow, a woman, somehow she's doing better than he did. i can't imagine it can last. >> jennifer, just his emphasis there, that somehow a woman is doing better. >> a woman, yeah. i don't think anyone surprised to learn that donald trump is surprised to see that there's a strong intelligent woman who is not just, you know, catching up on him, but neck in neck with him in the national polls and getting ahead of him. this is one of donald trump's

biggest road blocks to success in this race. as long as he continues to allow the malignant narcissism that seems to lead him in all of his decisions, to lead him in this campaign, you know, that's just such a bonus. that is such a bonus for kamala harris. the problem is j.d. vance is just as bad when it comes to, you know, to misogyny and narcissism, and we've seen an enormous explosion of this kind of misogyny in the republican party and in their messaging, and i think that for reasons i could never possibly explain, it surprises these men that voters are not into it, that they're not embracing it, and they're finding kamala harris's inclusion and optimism to be a much more palatable message. >> meghan hays and jennifer horn stay with us. donald trump is bound to visit springfield, ohio, what residents and state officials are saying about a potential

appearance from the former president. and are fears of an expanded war in the middle east being realized? what we know about the new strikes israel has now launched in lebanon. plus, vice president harris takes her fight for reproductive rights to georgia. why she's focusing specifically on that issue in that state. we're back in 90 seconds. ds it's hard to explain what this feels like. moving piles of earth. towing up to 4,000 lbs. cutting millions of blades of grass. nothing compares to experiencing it for yourself. you just have to get in the seat. my little miracle is beckett. ♪ ("a thousand years" by christina perri) ♪ ♪ i have died every day waiting for you ♪ we wouldn't be where we are without saint jude.

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ohio? they had 32,000, this is a little beautiful town, no crime, no problem. 32,000 illegal immigrants come into the town. 32. so they almost doubled their population in a period of a few weeks. can you believe it? and, you know what, they've got to get much tougher. i'm going to go there in the next two weeks. i'm going to springfield, and i'm going to aurora. you may never see me again, but that's okay. got to do what i got to do. whatever happened to trump? well, he never got out of springfield. >> former president trump repeating his promise to visit springfield, ohio, even though the town's republican mayor has asked that he not visit given the fallout from the baseless claims targeting haitian migrants, the fear, the bomb threats, having to send state troopers to schools. well, now we're learning,

according to new reporting from the "wall street journal," the trump team knew the claims about missing pets in springfield were unfounded before trump took the debate stage in philadelphia where he spread this baseless rumor to 67 million viewers. joining us now in springfield, ohio, nbc news correspondent shaquille brewster, so, shaq, what are you hearing from residents there, and the impact that this conspiracy theory has had on that community? >> reporter: yeah, the word that continues to come up in the conversations that we have been having just today is scared. people are fearful of what it's like to be in this community right now. and it makes sense because since that debunked rumor was spread on the debate stage, you've seen this wave of threats that have targeted schools, that have targeted city buildings, that yesterday targeted a walmart and grocery store, so people are just saying they're fearful to do basic things, and that fear is extending down to the youngest citizens, the youngest

residents of this town. we went to elementary school dropoff. it was one of the schools that was evacuated because they got one of those hoax bomb threats last week, and we talked to a couple of parents, but one of the parents of a 6-year-old said that he struggled to explain what a bomb threat was to his child, but the child still started crying because he felt the tension in that family and in the school. i want you to listen to a little bit more of those conversations. >> this is just disrupting our peace, and these people are nice people. they're good people. we deal with them every day. >> that was a very terrifying feeling, but i was also enraged because i know a lot of it is rooted in lies against a community that has shown me a lot of love. >> and the lies that people are putting out there that's not true, them people did not eat no

cats or no dogs. that's a lie. >> reporter: and the governor responding to those threats with a show of force. we have three dozen state troopers inside the schools, those 17 schools across this town, literally sweeping for explosives every morning and then staying there to make sure that people feel safe. by the way, you're also seeing and feeling the impact with businesses. one business manager or restaurant manager of a restaurant that serves haitian food saying that his business gets calls on a regular basis with people asking hateful questions, saying what's the cat special on the menu today. he said, though, and this is a sign of, a brighter sign, i should say, he's also been getting an influx of visitors, people coming from dayton ohio, cincinnati, ohio, driving hours away in a show of support for the haitian community here.

>> it's truly a shame to see how this community has been impacted and turned upside down because of this high. and vivek ramaswamy is hosting a town hall in springfield, president trump promise to go visit in the next two weeks. do the people of springfield want ramaswamy and trump in their town right now? >> reporter: the governor is actually speaking right now, having a press conference. what you have been hearing from the mayor is frankly, they don't want more attention, and they explained not against the candidate specifically but they're explaining it as when you talk about these threats, it's really put a significant strain on this community. again, state troopers having to come in and patrol the schools. they're saying a presidential level visit just isn't in the cards for them right now. it's not something that this community they say they're at a breaking point can really handle. you have officials saying, no,

they don't want those presidential visit, and they want those leaders to stop spreading what they're calling a lie. >> shaquille brewster, thank you for your reporting. meghan hays and jennifer horn are back with us now. what does the trump campaign stand to gain by traveling to springfield against the objection of its mayor and its residents? >> frankly, it's disgraceful. it is disgraceful that they are taking this action. they are putting the residents of that community in genuine danger, real danger. so far, thank god, none of the bomb threats and other threats of violence that have been initiated and instigated by trump's rhetoric around this issue have come through to be true. but if one of them does, it would be in a school or in a town hall, in a crowded event or location. the idea that the trump campaign is willing to go this low is

just another example of their willingness to put others in danger, to put others at risk, up for their own advancement, their own political gain, and i just want to be, you know, so clear about this, the haitian community in springfield are legal migrants to this country. they came here through a legitimate american program. there is no evidence of the accusations. vance has acknowledged that he will say things, including things -- even if i have to make things up in order to bring attention to an issue that they know are riling up and creating more anger and more potential violence among their base. it is disgraceful, and it is dangerous. >> they're continuing to go with it, but we mentioned how trump is losing ground to the vice president on the immigration issue in key swing states. i have to wonder if this messaging about springfield is

actually back firing, jennifer? >> well, listen, imagine what will happen among his base voters, the ones he can't afford to lose no matter what. if, for example, there is a bomb threat at a trump rally in springfield, ohio. you know, remember how his base responded to two previous assassination attempts, political violence in this country is becoming more and more common. threats of it is becoming more common, and -- but it's only the trump campaign that seems to message it. you know, it is trump who is standing at the microphone and talks about these horrific potential attacks that have occurred up until now, and it is trump that is instigating further by talking about going to springfield. i can't say strongly enough,

just, people do not respond to trump's attempt to instigate this. it is dangerous. >> let me bring meghan into the conversation and highlight the message coming from the harris campaign. the vice president is talking about trump's plans for mass deportation, and here she was yesterday at a congressional hispanic caucus event. let's listen. >> donald trump and his extremist allies will keep trying to pull us backward. we all remember what they did to tear families apart. and now they have pledged to carry out the largest deportation, a mass deportation in american history. imagine what that would look like and what that would be. how is that going to happen, massive raids? massive detention camps? what are they talking about?

>> so the mass deportation idea, meghan, is surprisingly popular with a number of voters. which voters is harris targeting with a warning like that? >> i think she's targeting undecided voters, and she's targeting independent voters. i do think, look, they were not -- they are not secret about their mass deportation plans. they held signs at they convention waving them proudly about mass deportation. the trump campaign and republican party are not hiding what they're going to do. it's a matter of if people are going to listen and believe what they're saying to them. immigration is a topic that we should discuss. it's a topic facing our country that's extremely important but you have to have an actual conversation about it, and bringing up lies like immigrants eating cats and dogs is not helpful to the actual conversation. talking about mass deportations is not helpful to the conversation. the vice president, i think, is trying to approach this in a

real way and have some real solutions here, and really address voters that this is a concern for them, especially in places like arizona and nevada where this is a key issue for voters, but you can't have that conversation when people, the other side is just going to spread lies and they are actively lying and telling you they're lying. it's an interesting juxtaposition. the vice president here is showing the difference in character of leadership between her and donald trump. it's a matter if folks are going to listen come november. >> meghan hays and jennifer horn, thank you so much for the conversation. kamala harris will travel to atlanta on the heels of the pro publica investigation into a preventable abortion-related death, actually two of them involving two young georgia women. her message to voters there. and the latest out of lebanon where israel launched new strikes after back-to-back days of deadly device explosions. ne w grandpa moment... ...to that whatever this is moment...

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crossed all the red lines and the attacks could be a declaration of war. let's go to nbc news international correspondent josh lederman. israel and hezbollah have been exchanging fire over the last year. what's different this time? how are today's strikes prompting fears of a wider escalation? >> reporter: in part it's because of what we saw over the last two days, the unprecedented device explosions that israel was apparently able to orchestrate in hundreds of devices being possessed by hezbollah officials. the strikes today, we're seeing artillery and air strikes into lebanon. typically when israel has struck lebanon, the military has described it as retaliation for specific hezbollah strikes into israel, in other words, a tit for tat response. but today we're hearing israel's military saying they're really trying to degrade hezbollah's operational capabilities in the region, and we're hearing from

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. welcome back, vice president harris is headed to battleground georgia tomorrow where she is expected to highlight the stories of two georgia women who suffered preventible abortion care related deaths. the tragic stories of amber thurman and candy miller are highlighted this week in an investigation by pro publica. thurman was a single mother who died of complications from taking abortion pills. she had to wait 20 hours to be approved for a surgery that had been banned that summer in 2022 with few exceptions. now, miller was a mother of three who died at home, declining medical care when she also suffered complications from abortion pills because she feared the state's abortion ban.

joining us now, nbc news who's correspondent mike memoli, and we have seen the vice president lean heavily into reproductive rights in her campaign. how are these stories going to be part of the vice president's visit and message tomorrow in georgia and beyond? >> well, georgia's republican governor brian kemp is disputing the idea that that state's abortion restrictions were responsible for these two women's deaths. that's contradicted, according to this pro publica reporting. it is incredible reporting by an independent board of medical experts in that state that said the deaths were preventable. in the case of candy miller, she was afraid of seeking the kind of care she needed because of the abortion laws in the state and the fear that she would be prosecuted, and so in a campaign in which we tend to talk about these issues in the abstract at a high level, the vice president is going to travel to georgia to lift up these specific cases to draw attention to them, to call back to the really important moment during her debate with former president trump when she

said this is not something that people asked for. this is something that people are very much suffering the consequences of across the country. we have seen even before she became the democratic nominee how much reproductive rights portfolio was at the top of the vice president's agenda. she traveled often to georgia to talk about these kinds of cases, and this is a change in the vice president's schedule from the beginning of the week to capitalize and draw attention to these stories in realtime because they think it's a powerful illustration of a major voting issue. >> mike memoli, thank you very much. and joining us now, university of california davis law professor, an expert on the law, history and politics of reproduction, mary ziegler. how do these stories of these two women in georgia and others help form a legal path forward for fighting abortion bans? >> well, we know from other nations that sometimes it takes actual deaths to motivate people to see the need for repeal. something similar happened in ireland after a young woman died

when her care was delayed because physicians feared violating the nation's then abortion ban. it remains to be seen whether these stories also change the outcome of the election, for example, or give a new impetus to reform the law. we're seeing governor kemp and antiabortion groups denying that these deaths are attributable to abortion bans. i think we'll continue to see that being contested. >> again, as mike just pointed out, the investigation from pro publica stemmed from this independent board, the maternal mortality review committee and their findings. are these types of committees all over the country, and how much power do they have when it comes to reproductive rights? >> well, these committees don't have a lot of power when it comes to reproductive rights. that's of course in the hands largely of legislatures, to some degree state supreme courts, and

medical review boards are coming in on the back end to designate these deaths as preventable and connect them to abortion bans. it's up to voters to hold people in positions of power to change the law to say that they want that to happen, right, to insist that the law do better to protect their lives and health. >> with medication abortion specifically, apparently involved in these two cases out of georgia, what impact could this have as we see legal challenges to the fda approval of abortion pills like mifepristone. one case already made it to the supreme court last term, but they didn't actually rule on the merits. >> yeah, that litigation is continuing. we're seeing a number of conservative states trying to step in the shoes of the plaintiffs who were told they didn't have standing to sue, and argue they too can bring challenges to the fda's approval of mifepristone. if donald trump is elected we're likely to see challenges to mifepristone rooted in the comstock act, a 19th century obscenity law. cutting off access to these

pills has been a focal point for the antiabortion movement which is unsurprisingly using these deaths to argue that the bans had nothing to do with it contrary to the findings of the state medical board. it was mifepristone. criminalize abortion everywhere as opposed to just in the states it's already banned. >> one thing we have heard from republicans, in fact, during the debate, trump pushed for this lie about post birth abortions, which it's just murder in all states, so what's your reaction to the gop continuing to suggest this is the democratic position? >> it's honestly a little bit puzzling. i think it's puzzling in part because u.s. law is punishing the killing of newborns are harsher than those in most parts of the world, including europe. it's puzzling because republicans campaigned for and pass add law in 2002, deeming infants born alive after

abortions, persons with rights under the law, so this has always been sort of a solution in search of a problem. i think it just goes to show that republicans don't really know how to talk about the abortion issue at all. i think they're often better served talking less about it, than arguing their opponents are extremists. trump himself also wants to refuse to answer questions about whether he'll take extreme positions like vetoing a national abortion ban. >> mary ziegler, i appreciate your perspective and the research you have done shedding light on this conversation. thank you. >> thank you. coming up, is his speakership at risk? what speaker johnson could be facing within his party as another vote on his funding bill tanks. but first, what we're length about iran's hack on the trump campaign, and what they did with the information they stole. th the information they stole dexcom g7 is one of the easiest ways to take better control of your diabetes. this small wearable replaces fingersticks, lowers a1c,

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of all, my friend. so donald trump has been trying to use this reporting to suggest that the harris campaign is spying on him. how is their campaign responding? >> well, they say that's false, and not only that, they say they were not even aware that these iranian hackers tried to peddle stolen trump information and send to them via e-mail. apparently they didn't open the e-mail, and three law enforcement officials support that story, and say there's no evidence that the individuals in the biden/harris campaign who were sent that material did anything with it. it's also the case that the iranian hackers are still tried to peddle this to news organizations and no news organization that we know of has published any of it. this goes back to 2016 and what the russians did with the democrats, but it's and media organizations are less willing to play along. >> we're learning about a new secret service tweet by elon musk. >> they said they're looking into this. musk says it was a joke. it was a bad joke, if so, where

he said no one is trying to assassinate biden, kamala, riffing off some comment about the trump assassination. usually the secret service will pay someone a visit to confirm they're not a threat. and it's an inconvenience to them. we don't expect any charges to be filed. nonetheless, it's an embarrassing moment for elon musk. >> and obviously in the moment that we're in, those types of comments are not helpful in terms of protecting all candidate that are involved in this contest. >> if we've learned anything, this rhetoric matters. there are disturbed people hanging on every word. people need to tone it down. >> thank you so much. good to see you. >> you, too. for the second time this month, house speaker mike johnson's plan to fund the government failed to gain enough support from within his own party, so what is his plan b to avoid a government shutdown? that's next. nt shutdown? that's next.

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welcome back. house speaker mike johnson looking for a plan b now to avoid a government shutdown in just 12 days after his spending bill was defeated. on the house floor yesterday the vote was 220-202, and that included 14 republicans joining democrats in opposition. nbc's ali vitali is joining us from the hill. what's the on table? how is the speaker going to avoid a shutdown? >> reporter: you and i spoke this morning, and that was the right question to ask. unfortunately, we still have no answer on what plan b looks

like, especially because plan a is not just something that speaker johnson says and has i are peted -- repeated the last week or so, he thinks it's the right path forward, but it's something that former president donald trump has been vocal in his support of. he said on truth social over the course of the last few weeks that he would shut down the government, in his words, in a heartbeat, if it meant being able to keep the save act as part of this equation to keep the government open. as a reminder, it's legislation that the conservative vs. backed in this house chamber that would stop noncitizens from voting. we remind regularly when we talk about this legislation that that's something that's already illegal, but it does fit into the way that they are trying to continue to talk about election integrity. and because it's a priority for trump and republicans, that's what makes this situation so sticky. johnson leaving that bill on the floor yesterday, watching it fail as he knew it would. and now we're waiting for next

steps. >> is the speaker's job in peril then if he works with democrats to try to pass a short-term funding solution? >> reporter: that's been the lesson of this congress, right, especially because kevin mccarthy effectively lost his job because he kept the government open in bipartisan fashion and then quickly saw the motion to vacate. this is the juggling act that mike johnson is doing as speaker, only he's doing it not just in the short and immediate term he's doing it as he looks ahead to next congress, whether he's doing that as speaker or the minority leader, this is a man who's trying to placate all parts of his party because he wants to keep his job as the leader of the republicans in the house after 2024. >> so there are all kinds of political consequences for him personally. but also more broadly. let's think about the timing here, right, before the election. it was senator mitch mcconnell who said it would be politically beyond stupid, his words, to shut down the government before the election. and he went on to say that republicans would certainly be blamed here.

do house republicans see it differently? >> reporter: most of them see it exactly the same way as senator mcconnell. you have to imagine mcconnell, who's always pointed and aware of the landscape within which he makes his comments, thought that that quote would travel its way down the hallway from where mcconnell said it all the way to the speaker's office. sort of a reminder of the reality that's well-known in the senate that this isn't good for anyone, but it's definitely not good for republicans. and that sort of brings us back to the donald trump of it all and the role that he could be playing here and likely is as speaker johnson continues to make these calculations. trump himself is the top of the ticket, the republican standard bearer here, who sets the tone for republicans across the country. the fact that he's out there with his loud megaphone saying that he's fine with shutting down the government -- and i know some of our colleagues are in that gaggle there with steve school is, the number two republican who walked behind me, he might have answers here. again, i think trump is playing more of an outsized role because of his megaphone, because of the

proximity to election day. all of that is really bundled up in the political and legislative concerns here that they're trying to solve for on capitol hill. they just haven't quite solved for them yet. as we were talking about this morning, the clock is only ticking down. >> yeah, we just have about 30 seconds here, but are democrats just kind of sitting back watching? >> reporter: yeah. basically for right now. especially because there is this view that as it always does you get around the deadline and this thing somehow always works itself out. but there are a lot of political threads that we'll follow however this gets worked out because i think most people here agree shutting down the government is bad for the american people, bad for politics, too, and in november that's always what reigns supreme. >> thank you. keep us posted on any movement. that does it for us. i'll be back tomorrow at 10:00 eastern. "deadline: white house" starts right now.