like minority leader mitch mcconnell and others saying a government shutdown would be politically detrimental for both democrats and republicans. i think house republicans, in particular, who are fighting tooth and nail to keep their very narrow majority. it'd also cut into time that lawmakers could spend campaigning during recess. they're supposed to leave the end of next week once they complete their tasks, but, obviously, it could be thwarted if there are issues with getting this done on time. >> i believe mcconnell's issues were, "beyond stupid," if the government were to shut down. jackie alemany of "the washington post," thank you. have a good weekend. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this friday and all week long. "morning joe" starts right now. on a 1-2, ohtani sends one in the air. the other way! back it goes! gone!

one-of-a-kind player. one-of-a-kind season. shohei ohtani joins the 50-50 club. >> a lot of people here standing. sure you're standing up at home, leaning on the edge of your seat. cheering on ohtani. rubbing your hands together. certainly smiling. we all are watching this guy. oh, my gosh! shohei ohtani! the greatest day in baseball history. >> wow. los angeles dodgers superstar shohei ohtani, the first player ever to hit 50 home runs and steal 50 bases in a season. establishing the 50-50 club. then he eclipses that mark last night with one of the best, if not the best single game performance we've ever seen.

with his 51st home run, ohtani also became the first player with three home runs and two stolen bases in a game. he also added a pair of doubles and a single for a career best six hits, and set a dodgers record with 10 rbis to lead l.a. to a playoff-clinching rout of the marlins. joe, when i came across this last night, i gasped. i couldn't believe it. had to see it with my own eyes. 6 for 6, three home runs, 10 rbis, to join the 50-50 club, and put his team into the playoffs. put this one in the time capsule. send it to cooperstown, whatever you want to say about it. unbelievable performance. unbelievable season by ohtani. remember, there are only a tiny handful of players who have been in the 40-40 club. last night with that game, enters the 50-50 club, joe. >> i mean, enters it, creates it, crushes it. i mean, this guy is so amazing.

>> wow. >> we were watching "pardon the interruption" last night around 6:00, leading into 6:00, and wilbon was saying, "oh, he's pretty good." there was talk, is he going to get to 50? like, ten minutes later, he's at 49. about 30 minutes later, he's at 50. he just keeps going. like you said, three homer, two-steal game, one of the best. now, as far as the greatest baseball achievements of all time, this is where wilbon and cornheiser disagree, that it's the greatest of all time. it's on the mt. rushmore of achievements. gipson 1968, 28 complete games, 14 shutdowns, a 1.12 e.r.a. or

something. remarkable. of course, demaggio's, you know, streak, 56 games. nobody -- i don't know anybody ever will get that. but i will say, jonathan, until we saw ohtani, 50-50 just didn't seem possible. >> no. you have to put ted williams, the barry bonds seasons. there's a lot to choose from, but this is incredible. the most remarkable thing is, shohei ohtani, best hitter in the game. also, let's remember, arguably one of the best pitchers in the game. this year, because he was hurt and couldn't pitch, he said he spent the offseason trying to improve his game. he really worked on his speed and base stealing. he already hit for power. of course, he exceeded that this year with over 50 home runs. but he turned himself into the game's best base stealer, too. to go 50-50 like this year, and he's going to add to it. right now, 55-55 club very much in range, just an extraordinary achievement. to do it last night against the woeful marlins team, you kind of

wish more people were there in the crowd to have seen the game. in terms of steal-game performances, what he did last night, truly historic. now, let's remember, this will be his first time in the playoffs. ohtani will have the october stage. i can't wait to see what he does. >> it'll be so exciting for ohtani and everybody better look closely. of course, the dodgers will win 110 games in a year, then get swept in the divisional series. they'll lose to the -- >> padres. >> -- the toledo amberjacks. or the mudhens, whomever. they figure out a way to lose. but yeah, willie, it is very exciting. you know, i've got to say, i knew the guy was big, knew he was powerful, knew he was a great pitcher, but the thing that really snuck up on me this year was just the speed. i had no idea how fast the guy

was. 50 steals, just unbelievable. >> 50. now, he's in the 51-51 club with nine games to go. not off the board that he goes 55-55. though he may slip when they clinch the division. just an unbelievable performance. "morning joe" statistician mike barnacle said there's been one player in the last 100 years with a 6-hit game and a 10-rbi game. he did it in the same game yesterday. six hits, including three home runs, and 10 rbis. seems impossible. incredible night for shohei ohtani and the dodgers in the playoffs. with mika not here, you can see we lead with baseball, but there's a lot more to talk about this morning. >> sports. >> joining us, the president of the national action network and host of "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. elise jordan, former aide to the george w. bush white house and state department.

and u.s. national editor at "the financial times," ed luce. good morning to you all. we start with a bombshell report that has the governor's race in north carolina in the national spotlight. the trump-backed nominee, mark robinson, reportedly made deeply offensive and disturbing posts on a porn website several years ago. laura jarrett has details. >> reporter: republican candidate mark robinson vowing to stay in the race for governor in north carolina, vehementlyex report, purporting to show dozens of his disturbing comments online. >> we want to not focus on the tabloid lies. we are staying in this race. we are in it to win it. >> reporter: the current lieutenant governor facing a swirl of speculation over the fate of his campaign after cnn published a series of inflammatory comments on a ppoo

pornography message board. the authenticity of the post nbc hasn't verified. cnn said he referred to himself as a black nazi, reinstating slavery. writing, "slavery is not bad. some people need to be slaves. we need to bring it back. >> i'd buy a few." robinson also wrote he didn't care if a celebrity got an abortion. writing, quote, "i don't care. i just want to see the sex tape." cnn says the comments were made under the same user name, and that robinson used it elsewhere on the internet, including product reviews on amazon. but robinson blasting it as tabloid trash. >> let me reassure you, the things that you will see in that story, those are not the words of mark robinson. you know my words. you know my character. you know that i have been completely transparent in this race and before. >> reporter: no stranger to

polarizing comments, robinson has come under scrutiny in the past for calling the holocaust hogwash, which he later said was a poorly worded remark that wasn't anti-semitic. >> come november, i plan on being the first black governor of north carolina! [ applause ] >> reporter: he's a social conservative who has been endorsed by former president trump. >> this is martin luther king on steroids, okay? >> reporter: north carolina, a battleground state in the presidential race, but a tough one for democrats who haven't won it since 2008. >> nbc's laura jarrett reporting there. robinson had until midnight last night to withdraw from the race because it was the final day before military and overseas absentee ballots are mailed out. as you can see there, he says he's not going anywhere. joe, i'm still recovering. again, i've heard it many times, but from the last comment from donald trump, calling mark robinson, quote, martin luther king on steroids. we can deal with that later. but this cnn report, obviously

the comments, part of the reason they have grabbed so much attention, not just because they are salacious, but because they fit into a pattern of other things he said, other appalling comments he's made about jews, about gay people, and about black americans over the years. >> yeah. and, jonathan lemire, this is a situation, even before this latest cnn report, this was a state that actually was more in play for the harris campaign than ever before. not only because of him but because of other extremists that were running in the republican party across north carolina. this, though, to paraphrase donald trump, this puts it all on steroids. >> yesterday, after this story broke, i received a slew of panicked texts from political operatives, but not from

republicans. from democrats who were fearful that robinson was going to drop out and, therefore, hurt their chances in the state. now, robinson is staying put, and democrats giddy. they feel like, first of all, robinson already polling poorly in the race for the governorship there, so they like their chances. now, with him on the ticket, this can only help vice president harris in this new battleground state. she's polling pretty well there, a point or two within the margin of error, but feel they have momentum. some harris aids told me before this story broke that they feel better about north carolina than they do georgia right now. reverend sharpton, i mean, we are used to the trump era of republicans refusing to apologize, refusing to acknowledge wrongdoing, just no shame, full steam ahead. the tone set standardbearer, donald trump. this is breathtaking, some of the stuff unveiled in the reporting. yet, they're sticking to the same playbook. you have to think this is going to cost them at the ballot box.

>> it must cost them at the ballot box. i've been in north carolina twice in the last few weeks, preaching for sir walter mack in winston-salem and speaking at the ame zion national conference. everywhere i went, people were saying, have you heard what mark robinson, also a minister, has been saying? talking about the holocaust was hogwash. saying blacks should be paying reparations for whites taking care of us during slavery. things like that. so when i read and heard what he said, what was brought to light yesterday, i wasn't shocked. what is surprising to me is how the media is not asking donald trump, explain to us how he is martin luther king number two, with all these quotes. i mean, can you imagine if kamala harris had said that? they'd be all over her. why aren't you doing sit-down interviews explaining how you could even compare this man to martin luther king? no one is asking donald trump,

who to me is the bigger question here in north carolina nationwide, while he has this guy who is clearly off the rails, who is clearly to the right of the right, as not only his candidate but one he equated with dr. martin luther king jr. it gives me reason to say, with exclamation points, what we used to say in the community, everybody who is my color is not my kind. >> certainly. all the criticism harris received for not doing sit-down interviews, donald trump, when is the last time he received questions that were hard? >> windmills. >> it's also the hypocrisy. the hateful rhetoric he espoused and then it carries over into private conduct. this is someone who is beyond

toxic. it seems like republicans have tethered themselves to him. what impact do you see it having? >> i mean, it's not going to have any real impact because trump is going to stick around. within the race in north carolina, maybe it does help turn out democrats who actually want to vote against this guy. they're low turnout voters, and they show up and vote on election day. this is going to be a turnout election. it's to the point where tooth and nails and all that is going to matter is which side is better at getting their low turnout voters out. so if that helps the democrats in the slightest by having him still on the ballot, that's a win for democrats. >> speaking of donald trump, he was out last night again saying jewish voters will be to blame if he loses november's election. at an event called fighting anti-semitism in america, trump leaned heavily on anti-semitic tropes and complained about his low support in this race among jewish americans. >> very -- most popular person

in israel, but here it doesn't translate. it's a strange thing. the united states election is the most important election in the history of israel, actually, if you think about it. how crazy does that sound? but it's true. with all i have done for israel, i received only 24% of the jewish vote. think of this. i really haven't been treated very well, but that's the story of my life. you have to defeat kamala harris. more than any other people on earth, israel, i believe, has to defeat her. it hurts me to say it, you're going to still vote for democrats, and it doesn't make sense. i say all the time, any jewish person that votes for her, especially now, her or the democrat party, should have their head examined. jewish people, people that are supposed to love israel. in 2020, i got 24%, 25%. now, i did all of these things.

i got 29%. think of it. so i wasn't treated right. i really haven't been treated right, so if i don't win this election, in my opinion, the jewish people would have a lot to do with a loss. >> he hasn't been treated right. always the victim. blaming jews, he said, if he loses this election. that's about where he is polling among jewish americans, 28% or so. at the same event last night, trump said he'd reinstitute a travel ban to prevent migrants from, what hektinfested countries, from entering the united states. >> we'll seal the border and bring back the travel ban. remember the travel ban? we didn't want to have people from certain parts of the world burning our shopping centers and killing people. but we're not taking them from infesting countries.

>> infested cocountries. what are we supposed to do? are we supposed to say, infested countries, that sounds like what gerald ford -- no, gerald ford didn't used to say that. what roosevelt? no. i mean, ed, this is just straight up, i mean, is that not the language of fascist leaders? again, i'm just asking historically. you have that sort of language, infested countries, talking about vermin, talking about all the things that he's talked about. it is -- he and his running mate have completely, as you say in your new column, they have doubled down on ethnonationalism. not sort of ethnonationalism that's ever been prevalent, at least not in our lifetimes, in

the united states. talk about this blood and soil campaign and where it has its origins. >> yeah. i think you hint very accurately at its fascist origins. in the american context, it is america first origins, which was explicitly fascist and nazi adjacent. let's sort of take the irony of trump speaking at an event last night here in d.c. that's about combating anti-semitism and using the oldest anti-semitic trope of all at this conference, which is, you jewish americans, you're all loyal to israel. you're all -- you all have dual loyalty. therefore, because i'm pro-israel, you don't understand your interests unless you vote for me. that is the oldest sort of anti-semitic trope in american

politics. the allegation of dual loyalty. he goes there and makes that. of course, links it to what is at the root of almost everything trump does and says, his own idea of victimhood. his own sense of being the victim of conspiracies carried out by other people. so the irony of that is extraordinary. jd vance's blood and soil nationalism, the kind of conservative movement for the republican party we would like to see in america is what jd vance used to be, which is not an ethnonationalist. he was a libertarian but a thoughtful one. we saw that in "hillbilly elegy." he was self-questioning, thoughtful, open to debate, open to ideas. he's now gone to the other end of the spectrum, to blood and

oil nationalism, because that is what trump wants. he was quite right when he described trump as a potential american hitler a few years ago. now, he's signed up to this potential american hitler, and we see all the weird sort of morbid manifestations of a party that's chosen that route. mark robinson, the self-declared black nazi being one of them. it's exactly what you expect to happen when a party chooses the ethnonationalist, fascist route. i don't use that word lightly. >> you're paraphrasing what jd vance warned of when donald trump ran for president before. he also, of course, told christians that they should not vote. if they were christians, they should not vote for donald trump. ed, we're going to be talking next block or so about how republicans are trying to shut

down the government. shut down the government. mitch mcconnell said it'd just be complete lunacy. because they don't want people from other countries to have an impact in this election. of course, it'd be illegal for people, illegal immigrants to vote here, and they know that. they're basically going to shut down the government to say that something that's illegal is illegal. but it's fascinating, against that backdrop, you have donald trump last night in one of the -- just a bizarre, rambling speech on anti-semitism, talking about himself. then this is one of the kickers, israel has to defeat kamala harris. a foreign country has to defeat kamala harris. i don't even know where to begin with that. >> two things before this week that -- two external things that i was really worried could

damage kamala harris' prospects of winning. one was a turn in the economy. that's now been, i think, ruled out. the fed has cut interest rates by half a percentage point, an overdue move that will lead to improving consumer sentiment. i think it's not the reason the fed did this, but it will help kamala harris' prospects. the other, which could wipe out all the benefits of the half a percentage point cut, is a war in the middle east. specifically a war between israel and hezbollah. however that starts, whether it is an israeli ground operation in lebanon, very high-risk. that's a real quagmire, we know historically. or hezbollah itself, in retaliation for the exploding pagers this week, escalating and provoking a conflict between them. that would lead to rising oil prices, rising gas prices, and hurt consumer sentiment.

i have no doubt that netanyahu wants trump to win, and netanyahu only does things for his own self-preservation. even allies in his own party believe that. gallant, the israeli defense minister, knows that netanyahu wants to keep the war in gaza going. because if it ends, which the rest of the israeli defense establishment wants it to, then netanyahu has no place to hide. it's what's saving his political career. but i have no doubt that trump and netanyahu will be on the phone to each other and are acutely aware of what a wider conflict would do to kamala harris' prospects. that was my other concern. it's getting more intense, that concern, with events going on there. >> again, extensibly last night, about anti-semitism, donald trump not really talking about

anti-semitism, but in a rambling speech, as joe said, that was self-pity, "if i don't win this election, in my opinion, the jewish people would have a lot to do with it." editor at "the financial times," ed luce, thank you, as always. ahead on "morning joe," israel's military launches new strikes across lebanon after hezbollah's leader vowed to retaliate for this week's pager and walkie-talkie attacks. we'll have a live report from beirut. plus, a look at where the funding fight stands on capitol hill as lawmakers face a government shutdown. house speaker mike johnson meets with former president trump. "morning joe" is back in 90 seconds.

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who is making sure somebody shows up, a random name, and says they're a citizen, who is checking they are a citizen? of course, nobody is checking they're a citizen. so you have an entire opportunity here for cheating, and that's why this bill has to pass. you have to ask yourself, why did all the democrats vote against the provision yesterday that you have to prove that you're a citizen before you vote? i mean, isn't that a bizarre vote to take? but that is sadly where the democrat party is right now. they can't wait a few years until some of these immigrants become citizens or they have children and they become citizens. the democrat party is so radical right now, that they want these people voting immediately.

and they don't want them to vote, fine. have them those they're citizens. >> what's the evidence it's happening? where have you seen that? >> i haven't seen it, but we know it's happening, right? >> i haven't seen it, but we know it's happening, right? that's republican congressman of wisconsin, admitting he has no evidence of his voter fraud claims, after suggesting voting by undocumented immigrants will influence the outcome of federal elections. joe, this is something we've heard from the top, from donald trump down through the party. preparing themselves for some kind of a protest if donald trump loses this election, because it will be that undocumented immigrants voted for kamala harris. >> again, no evidence of it at all. they are now willing to shut down the government. most senate republicans, i think, believe this is crazy, but willing to shut down the government to say that something that's illegal is illegal.

it just makes absolutely no sense. elise jordan, i've got to say, on top of that, throwing in the replacement theory. oh, these illegal immigrants are being brought into america because they want to get them to vote and replace us, basically. again, the overall argument. they are -- and, by the way, they're split in their own party over this, too. they are willing -- or donald trump is trying to push them to shut down the government to say in a bill that something that's illegal is still illegal. again, it's just -- they are looking for a fight. they're looking for an excuse to shut down the government. when, actually, people that understand in the republican party what's best for them knows that donald trump is again leading them down a dangerous electoral path. >> donald trump doesn't actually care about the functioning of

the american government and that american citizens have government institutions that are funded and able to respond to their needs. he cares about scoring political points right now. you look at what happened with the border bill. there was a chance for there to be bipartisan agreement to do something about the crisis at the border, but, no, donald trump torpedos it. he's not interested in policy and doing anything that actually helps the american people. he only is out for himself and his narrow electoral interest, which is why we're seeing increased fear mongering. him using words like infested and dehumanizing to immigrants and migrants. we're hearing that because he is at a moment of desperation. it reminds me of 2018 when he was ranting about the caravans of migrants coming over the border. that was an election where he was nervous. he didn't fair as well.

i think this is just repeating again. >> let's bring into the conversation congressional investigations reporter for "the washington post," jackie alemany. jackie, great to see you. so what is the state of play here, sort of this bind that speaker johnson finds himself in? needing votes to get the continuing resolution. the government set to shut october 1st. hakeem jeffries saying the act is a non-starter. he believes it's voter suppression. there are already laws on the books that say if you're here illegally, you cannot vote in an american election. what does the speaker do with all this? >> that is really the question going into next week when government funding is going to expire on september 30th with the government shutdown on october 1st. look, this six-month extension that speaker johnson had his majority -- really forced his majority to vote on this week, despite knowing it was most likely going to fail, was a six-month extension of current

federal spending levels, in addition to the save act. he wanted it to fail so he can now go and have additional leverage, pivot to the senate, and be able to say to his party, okay, now we're going to start negotiations with senate democrats, a senate democratic-led majority, to try to avoid a shutdown, which both republicans and democrats have said is politically unpalatable. but, look, as you just noted, the save act is not going to get done. the white house has said they're going to veto it. it's not going to get done through a senate. actually, just to fact-check, there were a number of democrats who initially voted in favor of this bill when it got through the house over the summer. so there isn't a unanimity over democratic feelings on this, but there is an acknowledgment if it is going to pass. it's whether the factions can

come together and agree on the current spending levels and whether or not they want to extend that for three months or six months, and whether that should be a clean bill or not is really a tbd question that's going to need to be answered this week. >> jackie, it seems like no one on capitol hill actually wants a shutdown. i believe mitch mcconnell's words were, it'd be beyond stupid to do so, so close to an election, in particular. he noted correctly, republicans would get the blame. one person who might, though, is donald trump. he keeps posting on truth social saying, hey, if you don't get any voting rights legislation out there, the voter id, citizenship thing, which is nonsense, shut it down. we know he met with speaker johnson last night in washington. did we learn about what they spoke about? what's the fear among republicans that trump will take them over a shutdown cliff? >> we don't have a readout of the conversation just yet, but we know that speaker johnson has been in close touch with trump throughout the last two weeks as trump has been consistently calling for a government shutdown. calls that really started at the

end of august over the save act. there is a sort of quiet, private feeling that trump is really trying to utilize the situation that congress finds itself in, in order to elevate and escalate attention around these anti-immigrant policies he's really pushing. from springfield, ohio, to demonizing haitian migrants, to passing the save act in congress. you know, when i was doing some reporting on preparations house democrats are making ahead of january 6th, this was something that they all pointed to as sort of a galvanizing call that trump was making to try to, as elise noted, set up some sort of, you know, problem for democrats, that once the election does ultimately happen, there's a

scapegoat here. that trump can ultimately point to, again, these unsupported claims that there are illegal immigrants who are voting en masse in elections, which there's no evidence to support whatsoever. >> none. but as the good congressman said, you know it's happening. it must be happening. so, jackie, i'm curious about speaker johnson. he is sort of -- he's survived against all odds, much longer than people thought he'd survive. i'm wondering, does this present a real challenge to his long-term viability as republican speaker? >> yeah, joe, this is the exact scenario that kevin mccarthy found himself in when he ultimately lost the speakership, when he was trying to cajole his narrow majority to get behind continuing the same spending of federal funds that the government is now seeing. i think the difference between

johnson and mccarthy that has gotten johnson so far, at this point at least, is that johnson is less preoccupied with holding on to power. at the end of the day, despite some of the performative actions and some of his rhetoric, he is really focused on trying to ultimately fund the government and get things through. he's a little bit more of a realist when it comes to what is politically palatable, and he's maintained decent relationships with players in these idealogical factions. that being said, i think johnson is potentially setting himself up for some mutiny post election, in the case that republicans do lose their majority. i think he could see some serious challenges from people like jim jordan, people who are going to be trying to push him out, vying for minority leader. but there's so much to come before that, and i think, for now, if there is anyone who has been able to somehow navigate

this narrow majority and these brittle factions, it has been mike johnson, surprisingly. >> and the clock is ticking to that october 1st shutdown deadline. "the washington post"'s jackie alemany, thanks so much. coming up next, our next guest stepping out of the world of politics -- excuse me, out of hollywood into politics. the son of michael douglas and catherine zeta jones joins us to energize young voters. ♪ when you were young ♪ ♪ ♪ this one is for you.

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i showed up at a town hall and did something which we call, like, bird-dogging in an organizing space. and i asked my senator at the time, jeff flake, why he as an older white man was making these decisions about me and my body. he gave me this really canned political answer, of like, "i support policies that support the american dream." someone get him a better speechwriter. get better talking points. we're begging you. and why would you deny me the american dream? i woke up the next day, and millions of people had seen that video. i think it really sparked for me this, like, line of inquiry that i've been following for years and years and years now, which is, like, that i as a girl,

16-year-old girl, right, who was working at a gas station, who was experiencing homelessness, was suddenly on even footing in the public discourse with the united states center. >> that's a clip from the new sirius xm program, "young american with dylan douglas," featuring an activist, fox, hosted by dylan douglas. you may recognize his parents, michael douglas and catherine zeta jones. dylan has chosen to work behind the scenes in the world of politics, spending much of his young adult life getting involved in political campaigns and grassroots movements. now, though, using his new show to focus on how gen-x voters and politicians can work together to address issues and reach goals important to young americans stepping in front of the microphone. dylan joins us now. good to have you on the show. congratulations on the first episode. >> thank you. >> the rollout on sirius xm.

before we dig into some of the specific issues that you and deja fox talk about there, let's talk about gen-x, the group you cover on your show, and the energy around that group of voters for democrats since kamala harris, the vice president of the united states, took the baton, effectively, from joe biden. how have the dynamics of this race changed from that moment? >> sure. i think it's changed absolutely 100%. it's funny, i was a kamala harris fan in 2020 when she was running. actually, the first presidential campaign, i donated to. the vice president role can be hard to navigate. a lot of people thought she lost her voice. now, of course, we have her as our nominee. she's definitely found her voice. the energy i've seen, i'm a political person, right, you're a political person, all of us here, i think, are political people, but i'm seeing people

that have never posted online about politics, aren't inherently political, that are going to her rallies. so the energy i'm seeing, not just from gen-x but all democrats and really, really hopeful, and it makes me very inspired and excited for november. >> dylan, let's talk about gen-x. what are some of the issues, abortion rights being one, but what are some of the issues that are animating for them? what do they care about heading into november? >> it's funny. i think the idea of gen-x issues is almost a misnomer. gen-x issues are the issues. it's climate change. it's gun control because we were the first generation to live in schools where we were scared of getting shot. it's so many things. its just so happens it's our issues because we were the first generation to not remember anything else. it's housing. growing up as a society, as a generation, where owning our own home for our entire life is not guaranteed. it's not necessarily modern day slavery, but it is not having control of your own home, your own property.

all the issues, i think, affect all americans. it just so happens we're the first generation to grow up not knowing anything else. >> so who are some of the guests that we're going to hear from on your show over the course of this election season? >> sure. you heard from deja fox, a gen-x rock star out of arizona. has been fighting for planned parenthood, abortion rights her entire adult life. you'll see more of her. i think just generally going forward. on my show, specifically, i've come back from ukraine. i was in kyiv for two days. very, very interesting experience. really life-changing. we'll have a few guests this week from kyiv, including the chief of staff to the president of ukraine. considered by many as a real power broker. the right-hand man of president zelenskyy. he joins us this saturday at 11:00 on sirius xm progress. we're going to talk about just his message to america and get kind of in the nitty-gritty of where ukraine is right now in this third year of conflict. >> we have a clip from that

interview. let's play it right now. >> sir, before you go, what is your message to americans listening? >> our american brother and friends, we are very appreciative, the first day of this full-scale invasion, we are appreciative that you feel our pain, the pain of our children, pain for our people. you feel like yours, it's your tragedy. my dream is this will be fought for centuries for the future. thank you very much. our victory will be your victory. >> dylan, one of the things i'm getting from what you're saying is that talking to gen-x is not acting like they're in some other nation. it's talking to them through the lens that they understand and the issues that they understand. like you know i'm in several rights. race is different in gen-x. still racism but they grew up -- there was a black president. they don't see that as an

achievement like i would. talk about how gen-x can look at the same thing through different lens, and you need to address them without losing those that are older and cutting them off. how do you bridge the gap where everybody -- >> sure, reverend. i think -- i mean, you have lived a longer life than i have. and your life, both actively you played a part in and just been witness to huge changes. civil rights. you know, we go back to the assassinations of rfk and jfk. the vietnam war, those protest movements. and so it was such a generational time that informed, i think, your politics, your perspective, and i'm 24. i think the last 20 years, similarly, have been fundament to the history of this country. i was born a year after 9/11. i don't remember it, of course, but i lived in the post 9/11 world. i vaguely remember that there was a financial crisis going on

in 2008. i remember sandy hook. i went to school in westchester county, 20 minutes from sandy hook, connecticut. i remember we were on lockdown that day. we have had drills many times a year in school. similar to your life experience, we're living in a moment, the forever wars, the rise of the tea party, and now eight years of trump, almost half my life. we're defined by so much chaos. not to mention transformative moments. the first african american president. i didn't even realize it. i was 8 years old. that moment in racial politics history for this country. now, of course, the second chance for the first female president. it's been a time of tumult but also it's defining my generation, just as the moments of your youth made you who you are. >> i mean, the moments of our youth were, like, oh, a walkman.

wow, i can walk around. [ laughter ] i think about this all the time because i have children your age, you know, younger or older. i've got to say, you know, there was -- our parents went through the great depression and world war ii. i think about what people this century growing up, coming of age this century have dealt with. you talked about it. 2001, the failure of hurricane katrina. >> sure. >> financial crisis and the greed of 2008. the horrors of sandy hook and the inability of congress to do anything to respond to that. four years in the presidency of donald trump. january 6th. i mean, there's all of this chaos. it has to be an extraordinarily unsettled population coming out of age. then you add on top of that the financial insecurities.

me being able to buy a house in my 20s. most of us my age were able to get some house, even if it's a little house in our 20s. but a lot of people under 40 just seeing that as being out of reach. talk about how all of this puts younger voters up for grabs. >> quite honestly, i think a lot of what our generation has dealt with, and to your point, not to mention the sort of existential crises that we deal with, housing, the first generation in america knowing we'll probably not be better off than the generation that preceded us, housing, climate. >> right. >> all these things, i think, can make us really, really radical, really, really pessimistic, and really, really angry. and some of us are. but what i see from my generation more so is hope and optimism and excitement to do the hard work, engage civically to make that change. i think that's what separates

our generation from a lot, is the hope and ready to do the hard work to make the change. that's what inspires me so much about my generation. >> willie, it is really inspiring, this is. you know, i was going down the list of all the traumas, willie. i didn't mention the one that hangs like a shadow over this generation and others, covid. >> yeah. >> a worldwide pandemic that kept people locked down and isolated and actually really sort of exaggerated the problems of loneliness and isolation that we had even before covid. >> yeah, completely altered childhoods, changed the way they approached school, the way they approached friendships, the way they approached their families, how they approached going out in the world. as dylan said from the outset, this is an energized group of young voters now, and the addition of kamala harris

replacing joe biden has changed a lot. we'll see if they show up in november. "young american with dylan douglas" airs saturdays at 11:00 a.m. eastern on sirius xm channel 127. that's 127. dylan douglas, great to have you on the show this morning. thanks for being here. >> thank you. ahead, senators raphael warnock of georgia and chris coons of delaware will be our guests. plus, we'll speak with the authors of "character limit," which takes readers through the twists and turns of elon musk's controversial takeover of twitter and how he effectively has run it into the ground. "morning joe" will be right back.

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eze eberechi eze. >> short drive, quick throw, good move. despite hanging on to the shirt in the end zone, goes lazard. >> rogers' first touchdown pass at metlife stadium as a jet. injured in the first game last season. never threw a touchdown. only played four play after tearing the achilles tendon. he's recovered and back this year. the 40-year-old able to walk off uninjured, and a winner last night. he finished 27 of 35 for 281 yards and two touchdowns as the jets ended an eight-game losing streak against the pats with a

24-3 victory. rodgers was good, looked like his old self, but let's be honest. sorry to do this to you, the patriots are not good. it may now officially be drake may time in foxborough. >> yeah, gift from the schedule gods to give rodgers the first home game, not playing an nfl team. no, he looked good. lot of expectations. solid home win. yeah, the patriots are who i thought they were. they stole a game week one. they were competitive. this is not a good football team. they have no ability to play from behind. jacoby brissett is a place holder quarterback. drake may is the future. he almost got annihilated right there, and that's part of the hesitancy to play him right now. the patriots offensive line is so bad. they're afraid of getting him hurt. i think sooner than later, he'll take over the reins. this will be an ugly season. willie, our teams combined,

patriots and giants, combined wins, the over/under is maybe 4.5. >> that's why you and i spent a lot of time looking at the 2025 mock nfl draft, baby. >> already scouting. >> next year, joe. >> always next year. i will say, talking about putting drake may in, it's just absolutely foolish. i mean, you look at what the patriots already did. they destroyed mac jones who is down in jacksonville. as i've said before, and i think jonathan agrees with me here, they mishandled him badly. he'll end up with a baker mayfield second chance because he is a good quarterback. bryce young, it was fascinating, mel kiper went off on carolina. all the ways they have undermined bryce young, their first round draft pick over the past two years. now, they're benching him. young is handling that with a lot of class, as always.

you know, willie, this whole idea, we're going to draft somebody first overall, and you bring caleb williams in, and you'll be our champion from here. you know, i'm an old guy, but i do remember, you know, rookies, especially rookie quarterbacks, you gave them headset, gave them a clipboard, and you walked them on the sidelines and said, "we're not going to put you out there, get you banged up, have you lose your confidence. sit on the sidelines. i know the fans want you in there. well, too bad." time and time again, for years, that was the way forward. it's just not happening now. you know, caleb williams will have problems with the bears. bryce young has had problems where he's had problems. you put in drake may on this lousy patriots team, they're going to destroy another good, young quarterback. >> yeah. i mean, by definition, if you're drafted that high, if you're bryce young or drake may or one of those players, caleb williams, the team is terrible

because they had the first, second, third, fourth, fifth pick in the draft. they probably don't have an offensive line or weapons for them to go to. the one hit we showed replay of, that's where you hold your breath and go, hold on. drake may is slammed, taken off his feet and slammed down on the field with his head against the ground. you wonder if it's worth it at this point. i know there will be -- >> no! >> -- calls. i say that half kidding, it's drake may time, but something has to change up there. if this is your long-term plan, and he is incredibly talented, drake may, it might be best to give him the clipboard, as you say, joe, and learn a little about the nfl before you throw him into the lions there. >> yeah. all right. let's turn back to politics now. vice president kamala harris took part in a livestreamed event in michigan last night with oprah winfrey at the unite for america event, brought together over 100 online groups, including celebrities. chris rock was there, ben

stiller, meryl streep. a few moments from the 90-minute forum here. >> we have so many entrepreneurs in our country who have great ideas. incredible work ethic but not necessarily access to capital because not everybody, like my opponent, was handed $400 million on a silver plate that he filed bankruptcy six times on. and so part of my plan is to give start-up small businesses a $50,000 tax deduction to start up a small business. right now, it is $5,000. nobody can start a small business with $5,000. so that's part of my plan. >> that's a teeny tiny business. >> that's a concept of a business, right? >> yeah. >> you know where i'm going. i think for far too long on the issue of gun violence, some people have been pushing a really false choice. to suggest you're either in favor of the second amendment or you want to take everyone's guns

away. i'm in favor of the second amendment, and i'm in favor of assault weapons bans, universal background checks, red flag laws. [ applause ] and these are just common sense. these are just common sense. >> i thought it was powerful at the convention when you said you have guns. no, at the debate. >> i'm a gun owner. tim walz is a gun owner. >> i did not know that! >> nobody racing in my house and getting shot. >> i hear that. >> probably should not have said that. my staff will deal with that later. [ laughter ] >> vice president harris saying somebody breaks into my house, they're getting shot. talking about guns. but, joe, the policies she laid out there -- >> by the way, you know how we say in the south, willie -- i'm sorry. you know what we say in the south when somebody says that? yeah, so what's your point?

yeah, of course, somebody breaks into the house, yeah. >> i think one of the reasons oprah pointed that out is, it went in line with, that's not something you're used to a democrat saying. if you come in my house, i'll shoot you. that sounds -- that hits a little differently. but the policies she was talking about, red flag laws, universal background checks have overwhelming support. bigger picture, joe, we talk about not grading donald trump on a curve, watch those 90 minutes of vice president harris talking about policy. you don't have to agree with all of it or any of it if you don't want to. >> right. >> take what donald trump was doing at his anti-semitism event, ironically called that as he was making anti-semitic comments throughout, a rambling, self-indull indulgent, self-pitying speech. watch those both and think it through if you're still undecided. >> it's not political. it is objective. i mean, you get the transcripts for both of these people.

one is talking policy, a nuanced approach on several issues. the other is ramblrambling, incoherent sentences, never seems to find a resting place with a period at the end of them. thoughts are just, again, jumbled. look at some of the things she said. we talk about gun ownership, reverend al. she supports -- i mean, her positions on gun ownership, i'm sure republicans, nra, extremists will try to say she's extreme. what she talked about are 90% issues, 80% issues, even talking about the banning of military style weapons. you know, most polls i've seen over the past decade show two-thirds of americans support that. maybe some will show it's around 50%. but none of those positions are radical. then you'll hear her talking

about something that i wanted democrats and republicans to talk about for a long time. that is making billionaires and multinational corporations pay their fair share, but telling small business owners, people that run family restaurants, that want to start up a family restaurant, want to start up a family hardware store, entrepreneurs that want to start, you know, a tech company in their garage or their parents' garage, and they have something to build on, she's saying, here, we'll give you a $50,000 tax credit. that not only helps small businesses that drive america's economy, but that really should, for a person of good faith, send a strong message, that she is not a tax and spend left-winger, a tax and spend progressive. she understands the importance of small business. she understands the importance of giving people who want to help themselves a step forward

into the business world. >> absolutely. i think, clearly, when she did this 90-minute conversation with -- town hall with oprah, you begin to see what those of us that have known kamala harris see, that she's not a left-wing radical. she's in the center of where this country is. whether we agree with her or not, those of us that may be to the left of her, that's who she is. when she talks about investing, giving the $50,000 tax cut to small businesses, not only are they the ground of america's economy, they're the major employers in many of our communities. people on the ground work in these kind of small businesses more than they do at big corporations. that's who she's speaking to. the contrast, her giving these policy statements, giving how she relates to the average gun

owner who also doesn't want to see assault weapons, and how she relates to people that need small businesses that live at the bottom. contrast that to donald trump who goes to the speech yesterday on you owe me, israel, and i did this for you. y'all are so ungrateful. i've been a victim all my life, though i inherited hundreds of millions of dollars. i'm the victim, and nobody is giving me the credit i want. the contrast in conversations and style should tell america who should bring us forward. >> and says if he loses this election, he's going to blame it on the jews. hmm, that's really an interesting thing to say at an anti-semitic event. elise, i thought the oprah event

was interesting. it lives online, today, tomorrow, throughout the campaign. you look at that picture. it's interesting. there's such a contrast. here, she's doing something that breaks through the noise, that breaks through from politics into pop culture. but while doing that, she doesn't do it to, like, get a wrestler to rip his shirt off at her convention. she does it to talk about policy. to talk about whether it's gun ownership, whether it's the balancing of gun rights and gun safety. whether it's talking about helping small businesses and entrepreneurs with a $50,000 tax cut. whether it's talking about the importance of women's health care and keeping women safe. she puts out more policy and

actually explains it, than the man who has been calling her stupid for years, donald trump. who, again, just can't seem to piece together a sentence. >> joe, i agree. i would love to see kamala harris do more events like last night and to do them with local press. to just, you know, flood the zone, so to speak. because the more she's out there, i think it is better for her and, also, the country deserves to know who she is and what she stands for. and to the rev's point, it's a good strategy politically. because the more she's out there, the less she can be branded as a crazy liberal. you look at how her performance in the debate was, and you think, i don't know. i mean, i'm being told by trump's messaging that this is some radical, crazy liberal, and then what you see is in contrast. you also see that she's having fun and seems sane and normal. it just is a win-win for her. >> i mentioned that event for

donald trump in washington last night. he said if he loses this election, he will blame the jews. meanwhile, here's what he said about reinstating a travel ban if he returns to the white house. >> we will seal our border and bring back the travel ban. you remember the famous travel ban? we didn't take people from certain areas of the world because i didn't want to have people ripping down and burning our shopping centers and killing people. but we're not taking them from infested countries. >> infested countries. joining the conversation, msnbc political analyst and publisher of the newsletter "the ink" available on substack, anand giridharadas. good to see you this morning. what do you hear in those comments? we heard him make similar comments about vermin coming from other countries. heard him talking about s-hole countries. the haitian immigrants who are in springfield, ohio, for example. about 15,000 are here legally

under temporary protected status. what are you hearing in the comments from donald trump? >> i hear a wanna-be nazi without the organizational skills, you know? i hear someone who is literally reclaiming language from the 1930s and 1940s in germany. vermin infestation. this is the language of someone who is not just trying to win an election, although they are trying to do that, this is the language of someone who is trying to build a pretext for what he might do if in office. deporting millions of people on the scale that would require 24/7 train cars and buses, camps, to use another mid 20th century word. also, i think, and the example of the haitian community in springfield illustrates this, someone who is using a modern media environment to spread information, put out lies, that

will then possibly inspire other people, private actors, to do things in their own name, with deniability for donald trump. a kind of, you know, activating of his stand up, stand back, stand by, paramilitary friends to go do all manner of things to vulnerable people. because once you're telling millions and millions of people that there's vermin around, there's infestation, they're taking over the country, there's a replacement scheme scam happening, violence will happen. >> let's talk more about what's happened in springfield. you're from ohio. >> i am. >> not too far from there. we have seen that trump and his running mate, jd vance, refused to disavow what they said. these are racist lies about the migrant community there. you've written about this. how has this story resonated with you? >> you know, it was a trifecta for me. i am a native ohioan, a son of

immigrants, and i'm a passionate eater and cook. and so this sudden, you know, national story about, you know, this kind of dehumanization of immigrants based on what they eat. a couple things. first of all, in a lot of countries in the world with unstable political systems and high levels of violence, lies about what other people eat is actually crucial to how political violence happens. in india where my family comes from, if you look at most episodes of lynchings or riots, it is hindus and muslims and rumors about, i smelled pork. i smelled beef. you're inappropriately smuggling something you shouldn't have been eating. a lot of countries in the world have taboos around food and vie violence. what was happening in ohio is a playbook that was familiar if you've covered politics in developing countries. it is a classic dehumanization thing to say these people are the other. as kendrick lamar would say, they not like us. they eat differently from us.

but it got me thinking, what do immigrants eat? immigrants don't eat what donald trump and jd vance are lying about. you know, one thing immigrants eat in this country are flavors that everybody else eventually eats and capitalizes on, right? then you have fancy little new american restaurants. you have fish sauce, you know, in a vinaigrette several years later. immigrants bring the flavor to us. what is multiracial democracy but flavor? immigras swallow their pride often to come to this country, to go to springfield, ohio, to work here. they were computer programmers back home. they work at a gas station. to rise in america, you must sometimes first fall. they eat their own pride. they often eat little in the hope that their children will eat like kings. they eat the cheapest food at

costco because they can taste what their grandchildren, unborn grandchildren will eat one day. when i was growing up in ohio, my immigrant family, we ate, you know, pasta some days, because my mom actually really enjoyed the freedom that america gave her as an indian woman to not spend all the time in the kitchen that indian women like her would have spent back home. sometimes we ate indian food because she wanted us to have something of where she came from and to sustain the past forward. so these people are trying to get folks killed with lies about what immigrants eat, but i wanted to share with folks, in my experience, what immigrants do eat. >> you know, anand, you remind me of so many immigrants that i've spoken to through the years, whether in congress or as an attorney, tv. you know, i believe inamerica, the promise of america. because, you know, as i said

yesterday, it's my grand mom in rural georgia outside of a shack that her father built. they struggled through the great depression. she sent her kids to college locally. their kids sent their kids to college. you know, they achieved the american dream. that's really inspiring, but i will say, what i find even more inspiring are all the immigrants i've talked to over the past 30 or 40 years or so. they tell me exactly what you're telling me. which is, i'm working this job. i'm making this sacrifice. i'm doing everything i can do. my son is going to this school. he's going to be a computer programmer. or he's got a job on wall street. or he's going to do whatever.

and i always say this to native-born americans who are cynical about this country. i say, go talk to an immigrant. so many of those people, they still believe that america is the land of opportunity, like no other land. and it's actually what -- i know a lot of people that watch this show don't like a lot of things ronald reagan did. they don't like his legacy of smaller government. but that's what ronald reagan understood that today's republicans don't understand. if you really want to hear about the greatness of america, talk to an immigrant that just moved here and is building his family, is building his small business, is building his dreams. they will sacrifice what it takes so their children can stand on their shoulders. >> you know, we're in the 7:00 a.m. hour, and i have seared in my memory, i had the privilege

in my job of reporting from around the world. there is a 7:00 a.m. image that i have seen in many, many countries around the world. which a lot of americans watching this may not have seen. at 7:00 a.m. in capitals around the world, when life is not very active in particular cities, there is a long line always outside the american embassy. the american consulate, right? when life is at a standstill at 7:00 a.m. in new delhi, india, there is a line outside that embassy. we here sitting around this table, sitting at home, may be in a funk about america. we may be despairing about america. we may think our democracy is unraveling, this is happening, that's happening, and everything is going to the dogs. but even when we are in our deepest funk, that line, i have never seen that line go down. that line is like a concert line. in capital after capital after

capital. so instead of thinking -- instead of just having this conversation about how do we protect the border, let's step back. let's channel what ronald reagan said in the farewell address, where we remember, we are a country made of the world. it is actually the secret of our greatness. and the fact that even at our lowest lows, there are concert lines around the world for people trying to get in on this dream, it should make us buck up, but it should also make us remember not to shut this country to the energy and new blood that has always made it what it is. >> it really has. you know, willie, anand is right. you know, i believeborder. i think more importantly than that even, is protecting the dream. protecting the american dream. you remember the end of "gladiator?" i can't wait to see "gladiator 2." >> oh, yeah.

>> rome was -- you know, there once was a dream called rome. you know, that moved me because america is a dream. not a dream for people like me whose families lived here for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. america is a dream for all of us, all of us that are here. every single american. for that immigrant who is waking up at 4:00 in the morning and going to work hard all day, to come home so their family has a shot at that american dream. the dream that started with them coming here. no ore country in the world has that. even, you know, you hear the same thing from people who come here from britain. i mean, who talks about the american dream in a way that's more than roger bennet? he says that when he goes home

and visits, he loves home, loves manchester. he said when he lands -- or liverpool. when he lands in america, and the wheels touch down at jfk, he says, every time, the plane, those wheels hit the ground, he said, the energy just rushes through his body because he understands, when he gets off that plane, his accent doesn't matter. where he came from doesn't matter. you know, where he went to school doesn't matter. what matters is his ideas, how hard he works, and how much he's willing to do as far as through hard work and dedication to achieve the american dream. that's inspiring. i don't know how people can take a negative, jaundiced view of america, but they do. >> that's part of what makes this springfield, ohio, story so maddening and sickening on so many levels. by people who know better, who know what's actually happening.

haitians fled their home country because of everything going on there, because they don't feel safe there, because they don't have the opportunities there that they could have here. came here legally. settled in springfield, ohio. and aside from people like donald trump and jd vance and other people who are trying to glom onto this, rush into town, and make hay for themselves out of this, the people in town, the mayor, the businessowners say, yes, it is a shock to the system when that many people come. they put strains on the health care and other things. but they've filled jobs and reenergized many of our industries that have been lagging here in springfield, ohio. the story of what -- listen to the story of springfield, ohio, from the people who actually live there. not from people trying to make political hay out of it. anand giridharadas starting a great conversation, as he always does for us. thank you very much. we appreciate it. >> thank you. joining us now, democratic senator raphael warnock of georgia. vice president kamala harris

will visit the battleground state today where she will deliver a speech focused on the issue of abortion rights. senator, great to have you with us this morning. want to talk specifically about why the vice president is there. but before we do that, let's get your 30,000 foot snapshot, the view of what is happening in this race right now with just 40 some days left and how the dynamics perhaps have changed since vice president harris entered the race, specifically where you're sitting in the state of georgia. >> good morning, everybody. i'm coming to you from battleground georgia. georgia is very much in play. and kamala harris' message is resonating on the ground here. i think in battleground states and all across our country. it's because she's centering the people. donald trump is good at one thing. he is good at talking about himself. thinking about himself. fighting for himself. she's fighting for ordinary people inspired by her own

story, as the daughter of immigrants. as someone who is trying to create an opportunity economy, address head-on this housing crisis that young families are dealing with. it's been going on for a very long time. part of what we have to do is address the supply side. we have to bring more housing online. she has an amazing plan with respect to that. i have legislation that would support that effort. and she's been a part of an administration that's canceled $170 billion worth of student debt, helping 5 million americans with paying for prescription drugs. we're protecting people's freedom. the freedom of women to make their own choices, the freedom of our children to go to school without being worried about being killed in the latest tragedy in this ongoing epidemic

of mass shootings. the stark contrast is placed before the american people. we've got a criminal, literally a felon running against a prosecutor. kamala harris has been fighting for the people her whole life as a prosecutor. she's making the case. the american people are the jury. i think they're going to get it right. >> senator warnock, good morning. let me ask you a question. you're not only a u.s. senator from georgia and have already proven how well you can do that job, you also are a minister, as i am. you pastored one of the historic churches in this country. the vice president is coming to georgia today to talk about reproductive rights. for people watching, how do people that may personally have certain feelings about abortion or reproductive rights say, at the same time, though, i do not have the right to make those choices for others?

how have you as a minister, because i've had to deal with it, distinguish between what we may have as religious feelings from what we feel the state has the right to deal with in terms of making people's choices? >> well, i should say parenthetically, reverend sharpton, you preached from my pulpit, and we were glad to have you. >> only when i was invited. >> i got the message. listen, i am a man of faith. i have a deep, deep reverence for life. and i have an abiding respect for choice. the question with respect to this issue of reproductive rights is whose decision is it? who gets to decide? as i've said often, i believe that a patient's room is too small and cramped a space for a woman, her doctor, and the

united states government. that's too many people in the room. we are witnesses right now in real time what happens when politics enters the room. we've heard these tragic, tragic, heart-wrenching stories all across our country to right here in the state of georgia. these two young black women whose deaths were preventable. it is a direct result of what donald trump is bragging about. putting these conservative justices on the court who ignored 50 years of precedent, who overthrew roe v. wade, and literally women are bleeding out in hospital parking lots while their doctors' hands are tied. worrying about actually being prosecuted. this is happening in a state where the maternal mortality rate is already high. it's high in this country. it's higher than any other wealthy nation. for black women in georgia, it's six times the rate of the national average, and he's

adding to the crisis. i think people see this for what it is. listen, let me just say, i trust women more than i trust donald trump and his allies. >> senator, let me ask you before we let you go about the vote in georgia. obviously, everyone knows how razor thin the margin was there in 2020. we all know the number because donald trump asked for that number plus one on that infamous phone call with your secretary of state, brad raffensperger, who held his ground, as did the governor, to their great credit. are you confident that the vote will be counted fairly and the vote will be secure in the state of georgia, given all the efforts we're already seeing from maga supporters and maga enthusiasts to mess around with it? >> well, let me just say, the fact that they are engaged in these kinds of shenanigans underscores the point that georgia is very much in play. this race is close. i've proven over and over again that we can win georgia.

so i'm concerned watching what's happening with our state board of elections. we have to remain vigilant. we have to remain vigilant in turning our people out. turning out our broad, multiracial coalition that is going to deliver georgia yet again. we have to be vigilant in checking this kind of nonsense. listen, i had to sue the state of georgia as they were trying to prevent voters from being able to vote the first weekend of my runoff. we won those court cases. as a result of that, people were able to vote and i'm in this chair as the sitting senator from georgia. we'll remain vigilant on both fronts. part of the work of voter suppression is to demoralize the electorate, that you don't even try. the way to answer that, if you're watching me at home, is to show up. if we show up, we win. >> that's what vice president harris is there to encourage people to do, as well, later today in atlanta. democratic senator raphael warnock of georgia, senator,

thanks, as always, for your time. >> thank you. still ahead this morning, the united nations urging calm this morning after israel launched heavy air strikes across southern lebanon overnight. nbc's keir simmons joins us live from beirut amid growing fears of a wider war in the region. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. why didn't we do this last year? before you were preventing migraine with qulipta®? and look at me now. you'll never truly forget migraine, but zero-migraine days are possible. don't take if allergic to qulipta®. most common side effects are nausea, constipation, and sleepiness. qulipta®. the forget-you-get migraine medicine™.

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lebanon yesterday. an official tells nbc news the operation involved air strikes and artillery, but ground forces did not cross the border. it follows the unprecedented series of attacks believed to be conducted by israel targeting hezbollah members with exploing walkie-talkies and pagers. joining us live from beirut, nbc news chief international correspondent keir simmons. keir, what's the latest there? >> reporter: willie, we just got news of what appears to be another israeli assassination overnight. this time, not here in lebanon but in a neighboring syria, targeting a leader of another iranian-backed group. iraqi hezbollah. according to observers, his car was hit by a drone. once again, israel not commenting. overnight in southern lebanon, the most intense israeli air and

artillery bombardment since october 7th, aimed at degrading iran-backed hezbollah's massive arsenal, 100 rocket launchers hit, israel says. two israeli soldiers killed in other clashes on the lebanon border. a front line that now feels far from international calls for calm. >> we don't want to see any escalatory actions by any party. >> reporter: as israeli fighter jets flew low over beirut, hezbollah's leader stopping short of declaring war but promising revenge. while israel's defense minister warning last night, hezbollah will pay an increasing price. following two days of unprecedented attack, 5,000 pagers and walkie-talkies were booby trapped by israel, hezbollah says. two officials said israel masterminded the operation, a clandestine trail of companies across the world, from bulgaria

to hungary to taiwan and japan denying involvement. today, the u.n. security council will address allegations that international law was violated. children among the killed and injured. many of the most severe eye injuries were brought to this specialist hospital. this surgeon carrying out three eye operations just this morning. >> we've never seen that much cases of patients and casualties that have been losing their eyes because of the explosion. so, yeah, i mean, it's a nightmare. >> reporter: of course, willie, israel says tens of thousands of its civilians are being targeted by hezbollah along the border backed by iran. israeli intelligence saying that they have foiled an iranian plot in august to try to assassinate israeli leaders. willie, when you speak to people here in lebanon and say to them,

the fear around the world is this could explode into a war, some of them, many of them perhaps, will look at you and say, but it is almost a war already. it's not like 2006 or decades earlier, of course, but a clan destine war, a shadow war. >> yes. stunning series of attacks just in the last few days. keir simmons, keir in beirut for us this morning. thank you. joining us now, editor in chief of the "atlantic," jeffrey goldberg. good morning. what is your perspective on where things stand? the walkie-talkies and the pagers. israel is trying to send the message to be on the offensive if they can reach the hezbollah leaders wherever they are. what is the impact of all of this, the wider conflict? >> well, you know from israel's perspective, it was interesting. fetterman at "the atlantic"

festival, he said, i asked where he thinks this is all going. he said it's going to go to a place of more violence, unless iranian organizations, iranian proxies, and iran itself stop trying to destroy israel. i mean, let's step back for a minute and recognize what hezbollah is. it's the external operating wing of the iranian special forces, the irgc, and their stated goal is to destroy the state of israel. so during the last 11-month period that began with the hamas attacks, again, another pro-iranian proxy, the hamas attacks in gaza, hezbollah has been firing rockets at a regular rate into israel at civilian targets. recently killed 12 children on the golan heights, as you know.

i don't see the episodes in isolation. obviously, there's a lot of speculation that the beeper attack, the pager attack was a situation in which it was about to be exposed and so israel took the opportunity to do some serious damage to hezbollah operatives across beirut. a lot of people, including me, thought earlier this week it was a prelude to a larger attack against the 150,000 or so rockets pointed at israel. that seems to be starting. although, again, it doesn't seem like a full-scale war. israeli defense minister has said, though, that the emphasis is shifting north and that i think a lot of defense experts in washington, in israel, in the arab world under that hezbollah is actually the main threat. it's a much more potent group ultimately than hamas. so the question is, what does iran want right now? iran has committed to the destruction of israel. it wants to push this agenda,

but it might not want to push it so hard as to bring itself into the gun sights of the israelis. >> jeffrey, good morning. jonathan lemire. of course, the backdrop to what we've seen this week is the ongoing cease-fire negotiations between israel and hamas and the war in gaza. u.s. officials telling me real notes of pessimism this week. they think the situation with hezbollah complicates matters. they also feel like both sides, neither hamas nor israel seems particularly motivated to get a deal right now. officials feel the biden administration's goal of brokering a cease-fire before the president leaves office seems like it is fading. what's the latest you hear? what do you think is going to happen? >> so israelis are split. obviously, the prime minister, netanyahu, has not made the release of the israeli hostages, the ones captured on -- or stolen on october 7th, he's not made it a priority, much to the

chagrin, obviously, of the families and millions of israelis. so that seems to be -- i think there's a level of fatalism in israel that those hostages, you know, are not coming back any time soon. obviously, six of them recently, you covered this, who were murdered by hamas. it doesn't seem likely that a deal is going to happen. one of the issues is that no one knows, and the current government doesn't seem to care much, who is going to run gaza afterwards. the palestinian authority in the west bank is a sporadic and corrupt organization, unfortunately. ordinarily, you'd want them to come into gaza and replace hamas. right now, there's no -- at least we're not hearing offorwa

strategic thought. you know, the kind of thought that would lead to the removal of hamas from power in gaza but also the building of a better life for the people of gaza out from under hamas' control, out from under israeli bombardment. so on the quote, unquote, peace front, nothing very much is happening. israel has degraded hamas' forces to a large degree in gaza, but there's also the assumption, maybe not on netanyahu's part, but there is the assumption hamas will be able to build that back in some form or fashion. so there's not a lot of good news on the hostage front. >> no, right. exactly. let's not lose sight of the hostages still there in gaza being held by hamas. you mentioned the atlantic festival, the annual event you host every year. incredible lineup. yesterday, nancy pelosi, hakeem jeffries, kellyanne conway, janet yellen among them. who do you have today?

i think we lost jeffrey. i thought that was just a dramatic pause, but i can help you with the answer to my own question, which is, supreme court justice ketanji brown jackson will be there today. jpmorgan's jamie dimon. michigan governor gretchen whitmer. and a conversation with karl rove and david axelrod about this 2024 presidential election. by the way, if you can't be there in person, you can go online for free, and that address is theatlanticfestival.com. if you're in washington, of course, you can buy a ticket. if you can't make it to washington, theatlanticfestival.com to hear the conversations. editor in chief of "the atlantic," jeffrey goldberg, we appreciate it. coming up, how elon musk destroyed twitter. we'll speak with the authors after a new book on what has

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beautiful live picture of the white house. it's 7:50 on a friday morning. joining us is the authors of a new book "character limit: how elon musk destroyed twitter." good morning to you both. congratulations on the book. this is such a fascinating topic. kate, let me start with the

first topic, on why elon musk, given everything else in he has going on in his life with spacex and tesla, and the innovations there, why he needed to blow $44 billion, and some people believe he overpaid by perhaps double at least. why did he want this asset so badly? >> well, musk has really viewed twitter as an ideological purchase rather than a financial one. he said he doesn't care about the money and he doesn't care if he makes money off of this deal, but he really wanted to control the platform and make the content moderation decisions there. >> so ryan, great title by the way. >> thank you. thank you. >> so piggybacking off of that point, so he has this platform now. >> yes. >> he's deciding what gets posted or not, and his -- one of his seemingly consistent decisions is to spread disinformation. >> he's become one of the number one spreaders of disinformation. i think of something like yesterday where he, you know, shared a fake bomb threat out there in new york before a trump

rally. he doesn't check his information. he simply reads it and believes it's true because it's on x, and so he spreads it and it's become a common occurrence for him when he tweets, you know, more than 75 times a day. >> kate, elon musk really became a super public figure with the purchase of twitter and his prolific tweeting. i don't really remember. did he tweet much -- as much before he acquired twitter, and was that, you know, part of it that he just wanted to raise his public profile? >> yeah. so ryan and i actually in writing the book, we went back to the beginning of his twitter timeline and read through his tweets, and it's funny because his early tweets are so normal. they're, like, very nice dad posts about taking his kids to the ice rink and things like that, and over time he became more and more prolific, and more and more immersed in online culture, and so prior to the takeover, he was posting constantly, and i think he's only ramped up since then. >> ryan, when you say that he bought twitter not worrying

about money, not worrying about whether he made a gain or loss, is it ideological? did he want a platform for his ideology, his politics, or is it for his ego? because it seems like his politics can be all over the place. i mean, what is the motivation here? >> i think there's elements of that. ideology is a bigger role in his life now. i also think of this as, you know, him buying his favorite toy in the way that a billionaire might buy a yacht or a sports team, you know, this is the thing he coveted for so long and loved. he spends hours a day on it, and he's the richest man in the world and had, you know, more than $250 billion net worth, and looked around and thought, hey. this is something i could -- i could easily buy. >> he is the richest man in the world, but this is a financial loser obviously. he's had to divert resources from his other companies in order to prop up, you know, twitter, x. what is your best estimate to the future of the platform? where do you see it going? >> so the platform is certainly

struggling financially. their revenue is down quite significantly, and he has started to worry about that a little bit and start cutting costs once again at the company, but, you know, i think that this is a platform that he can keep chugging along for quite some time, you know, he certainly has the resources to keep it going, and, you know, these online platforms are very sticky, you know? even when people start to drift away from a platform and it's not as central to their lives, there are other people who are still using it and i think it could keep going for a while. >> ryan, as you know, elon musk has talked about buying twitter to restore sort of its space as a public square where voices are not censored, returning conservatives who he said had been kicked off, many of those like we should point out, laura loomer, were kicked off because of hate speech and awful things they say. so how has he, i guess, executed on the theory, the idea at least that he wanted to open this place back up? what is he really doing in that regard? >> it's a good marketing message, right? that's what he went into the

acquisition with, this idea of, you know, protecting free speech, but he's been very selective in how he appies that. he's banned people and reporters like myself, you know, in certain countries he's followed orders to take down speech, i think something of something like india for example where the government wanted to ban a bbc documentary and stop it from spreading on the platform. so i mean he's said free speech, but there's other instances where we see that he's not, you know, actually following that message. >> free speech for people he agrees with. the new book is "character limit: how elon musk destroyed twitter." "the new york times" technology reporters kate conger and ryan mac. thank you so much for being here. still ahead this morning, we will go live to the battleground state of north carolina following a damning report about the republican nominee for governor, and some of the awful stuff he allegedly was posting online. and we'll get an update from capitol hill on what could come next in the negotiations to keep the government funded and open. "morning joe" coming right back

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on a 1-2, ohtani sends one in the air the other way. back it goes. gone! one-of-a-kind player. one-of-a-kind season. shohei ohtani starts the 50-50 club. >> a lot of people here

standing. i'm sure you're standing up at home, leaning on the edge of your seat. 2-0 on ohtani. rubbing their hands together. certainly smiling if you all are watching this guy. oh my gosh. shohei ohtani, the greatest day in baseball history! >> wow. los angeles dodgers superstar shohei ohtani, the first player ever to hit 50 home runs and steal 50 bases in a season, establishing the 50-50 club, and then he eclipsed that mark last night with one of the best, if not the best single game performance we've ever seen with his 51st home run. ohtani also became the first player with three home runs and two stolen bases in a game. he also added a pair of doubles and a single for a career best six hits and set a dodgers

record with ten rbis to lead l.a. to a playoff-clinching 20-4 route of the marlins. when i came across this last night, i actually gasped. i couldn't believe it. i had to see it with my own eyes. 6 for 6, three home runs, 10 rbis. put this in the time capsule. send it to cooperstown, whatever you want to say about it. unbelievable performance. unbelievable season by ohtani. remember, there are only a tiny handful of players who have ever been in the 40-40 club. last night with that game enters the 50-50 club, joe. >> he creates it, crushes it. i mean, this guy is so amazing. >> wow. >> we were watching -- watch pardon the interruption last night around 6:00, and leading in at 6:00, and wilbon was

saying, eh, he's pretty good, but we don't, you know, there was some talk. is he going to get to 50? and, like, ten minutes later, he's at 49. about 30 minutes later, he's at 50, and he just keeps going like you said. three-homer, two-steal game. one of the best. as far as the greatest -- greatest baseball achievements of all-time, this is where -- this is where wilbon and cornheiser disagree. this is on the mt. rushmore. gibson, 1968, he had, like, 28 complete games, 14 shutouts. a 1.12 e.r.a. or something remarkable like that, and you have dimaggio's, you know, streak, 56 games. i don't know that anybody will ever get that, but i will say, jonathan, until we saw ohtani

50-50, just didn't seem possible. >> i mean you've got to put ted williams up there, a lot of the barry bonds seasons. there's a lot of them to choose from, but this is incredible, and the most remarkable thing is shohei ohtani, the best hitter in the game. also you have to remember, arguably one of the best pitchers in the game. this year because he was hurt and couldn't pitch, he said he spent the off season trying to figure out how he could improve his game and he worked on his speed and base-stealing. he already hit for power. of course, he exceeded that this year with over 50 home runs, but he turned himself into the game's best base-stealer too. to go 50-50 like this too, and he's going to add like it. 55-55 club very much in range. to do it against a woeful marlins team, you wish more people were in the crowd to have seen that game. in terms of game performances, what he did last night truly historic, and now, you know, this will also be, let's

remember, this will be his first time in the playoffs. ohtani will have the national stage, the october stage. i can't wait to see what he does. >> that will be so exciting for ohtani, and everybody better look closely because of course, the dodgers will win 110 games in a year, and then get swept in the divisional series. yeah, they'll -- so they'll lose to the -- >> papadres. >> the toledo mudhens or whoever. it is very exciting, and, you know, i got to say. i knew the guy was big, i knew he was powerful, knew he was a great pitcher, but the thing that really snuck up on me this year is just the speed. i had no idea how fast the guy was. 50 steals. just unbelievable. >> 50. so now he's in the 51-51 club with nine games to go. not off the board that he goes 55-55 though, and he may sit when they clinch the decision.

so just an unbelievable performance. "morning joe" statistician mike barnicle shared a statistic that in their careers, there's only been one player in the last 100 years who's had a six-hit game and also a ten-rbi game. he did it in the same game yesterday. six hits including three home runs and ten rbis. you just have to laugh when you say the line. it just seems impossible. so incredible. incredible night for shohei ohtani, and the dodgers in the playoffs. with mika not here, you can see that we lead with baseball, but there is a lot more to talk about this morning. >> of course. >> joining us, the president of the national action network and host of "politics nation," the reverend al sharpton, political analyst, elise jordan, former aide to the george w. bush white house and state department, and editor at "the financial times," ed luce. we start with the bombshell that has the governor's race in north carolina in the national

spotlight. the trump-backed nominee, mark robinson, reportedly made deeply offensive and disturbing posts on a porn website several years ago. nbc's laura jarrett has details. >> reporter: republican candidate mark robinson vowing to stay in the race for governor in north carolina, vehemently denying an explosive new report purporting to show dozens of his disturbing comments online. >> they want to focus on salacious tabloid lice. -- lies. we're not going to let them do that. >> reporter: swirling speculation about the fate of his campaign after cnn published what it called a series of inflammatory comments on a pornography website's message board more than a decade ago before robinson began his political career. nbc news has not verified the authenticity of the post. cnn said, include robinson referring to himself as a black nazi, and expressing support for reinstaing slavery, writing,

slavery is not bad. some people need to be slaves. i wish they would bring it back. i would certainly buy a few. cnn also reporting robinson who publicly supports a six-week ban on abortion with exceptions wrote that he did not care if a celebrity got an abortion writing, quote, i don't care. i just want to see the sex tape. cnn says the comments were all made under the same username, and that robinson used it elsewhere on the internet including product reviews on amazon, but robinson blasting it as tabloid trash. >> let me reassure you the things that you will see in that story, those are not the words of mark robinson. you know my words. you know my character, and you know that i have been completely transparent in this race and before. >> reporter: no stranger to polarizing comments, he called the holocaust hogwash which he said was a poorly worded remark that wasn't anti-semitic.

>> come november, i plan on being the first black governor of north carolina. >> reporter: he's a social conservative who's been endorsed by former president trump. >> this is martin luther king on steroids, okay? >> reporter: north carolina, a battleground state in the presidential race, but a tough one for democrats who haven't won it since 2008. >> nbc's laura jarrett reporting there. robinson had until midnight last night to withdraw from the race because it was the final day before military and overseas absentee ballots are mailed out. as you can see there, he says he's not going anywhere. so joe, i'm still recovering again. i've heard it many times, but from that last comment from donald trump calling mark robinson, quote, martin luther king on steroids. we can deal with that later, but this cnn report, obviously the comments, part of the reason they have grabbed so much attention, not just because they are salacious, but they fit into a pattern of other things he's said, other appalling comments

he's made about jews, about gay people, and about black americans over the years. >> yeah, and jonathan lemire, this is a situation -- even before this latest cnn report, this was a state that actually was more in play for the harris campaign than ever before, not only because of him, but because of other extremists that were running in the republican party across north carolina. this though, to paraphrase donald trump, it puts it all on steroids. >> yesterday after this story broke, i received a slew of panicked texts from political operatives, but not from republicans, from democrats that were fearful that robinson would drop out and therefore hurt their chances in that state, but now robinson is staying put and democrats are giddy. they feel like he's already polling poorly in the race for

the governorship there. they like their chances, but now with him on the ticket, this can only help vice president harris in this new battleground state. he's already polling pretty well there, a point or two within the margin of error, but it feels like they have momentum. some harris aides tell me before the story broke, they feel better about north carolina right now than they do georgia, and reverend sharpton, i mean, we are used to the trump era of republicans refusing to apologize, refusing to acknowledge wrongdoing, just no shame, full steam ahead, a tone set by their standard bearer, donald trump. this is still pretty breathtaking, the stuff that was unveiled in this reporting, and yet they're sticking to the same playbook. you have to think this is going to cost him at the ballot box. >> it must cost him at the ballot box. i have been to north carolina twice in the last few weeks, preaching for sir walter mack many winston, salem, and

everywhere i said, people said, have you heard what mark robinson -- who's also a minister, saying talking about the holocaust was hogwash, saying blacks should be reparations for whites taking care of us during slavery and things like that. so when i read and heard what he said -- what was brought to light yesterday, i wasn't shocked. what is surprising to me is how the media is not asking donald trump, explain to us how he's martin luther king number two with all these quotes. i mean, can you imagine if kamala harris had said that? they would be all over her and why aren't you doing sitdown interviews, explaining how you could even compare this man to martin luther king? no one's asking donald trump, who to me is the bigger question here in north carolina and nationwide, while he has this guy who's clearly off the rails, who's clearly to the right of the right, as not only his

candidate, but one he equated with dr. martin luther king jr. it gives me a reason to say with exclamation points, the old statement we used to say in the community, everybody that's my color is not my kind. >> yeah. i would say. certainly for all of the criticism vice president harris has received for not doing enough interviews, donald trump hasn't taken a hostile question in i don't know how long beyond the debate. >> he's too busy dealing with the faucets. >> water pressure is a big deal. >> along with sharks and windmills. elise, it's also the hypocrisy here, the way the hateful rhetoric he espouses publicly, and he contrasts that to some of his private conduct. i mean, this is someone who is beyond toxic. it does seem like republicans have tethered themselves to him. what sort of impact do you see it having? >> i mean, it's not going to have any real impact because trump is going to stick around,

but with the race in north carolina, maybe it does help turn out democrats who actually want to vote against this guy, and they're low turnout voters and they show up and vote on election day. this is going to be a turnout election. it's to the point where tooth and nails and all that is going to matter is which side is better at getting their low turnout voters out, and so if that helps the democrats in the slightest by having him still on the ballot, that's a win for democrats. >> speaking of donald trump, he was out last night again saying jewish voters will be to blame if he loses november's election. in an event called fighting anti-semitism in america, trump leaned heavily on anti-semitic tropes and complained about his low support in this race among jewish americans. >> very -- most popular person in israel, but here it doesn't translate. it's a strange thing. the united states election is the most important election in the history of israel, actually,

if you think about it. how crazy does that sound? but it's true. with all i have done for israel, i received only 24% of the jewish vote. now think of this. i really haven't been treated very well, but that's the story of my life. you have to defeat kamala harris, more than any other people on earth, israel, i believe has to defeat her. it hurts me to say it. you're going to still vote for democrats, and it doesn't make sense. i say all the time, any jewish person that votes for her, especially now, her or the democrat party should have their head examined. jewish people, people that are supposed to love israel, in 2020 -- so remember, i got 24%, 25%. i did all of these things and i got 29%. think of it. so i wasn't treated right. i really haven't been treated right, so if i don't win this

election, in my opinion, the jewish people would have a lot to do with the loss. >> he hasn't been treated right. always the victim, blaming jews he said. that's about where he's polling among jewish americans, 28% or so. at the same event last night, trump also said he would reinstitute a travel ban if he returns to the white house to prevent migrants from what he calls infested countries from entering the united states. >> we will seal our border and bring back the travel ban. do you remember the famous travel ban? we didn't take people from certain areas of world because i didn't want to have people ripping down and burning our shopping centers and killing people, but we're not taking them from infested countries. >> infested countries. infested countries. let's see now. let's see. what are we supposed to do? are we supposed to say, oh, well, infested countries? that sounds like what gerald ford -- no.

gerald ford didn't used to say that. would roosevelt? no. i mean, ed, this is just straight-up -- i mean, is that not the language of fascist leaders? again, i'm just asking. historically you have that sort of language, infested countries, talking about vermin, talking about all the things that he's talked about. it's -- it is -- he and his running mate have completely as you say in your new column, they have doubled down on ethno-nationalism, and not sort of the ethno-nationalism, that's ever been prevalent, at least not in our lifetimes in the united states. talk about this blood and soil campaign, and where it has its origins. >> yeah.

well, i think you hint very accurately at its fascist origins, in the american context. it's america first origins which was explicitly fascist and nazi-adjacent, but let's just take the irony of trump speaking at an event last night here in d.c. that's about combatting anti-semitism and using the oldest anti-semitic trope of all at this conference, which is you jewish americans, you're all loyal to israel. you're all -- you all have jew loyalty, and therefore because i'm pro-israel, you don't understand your interests unless you vote for me. that is the oldest sort of anti-semitic trope in american politics, the allegation of jew loyalty, and he goes there and makes that, and of course, links it to what is the root of almost

everything trump does and says, his own idea of victimhood, his own sense of being -- the victim of conspiracies carried out by other people. so the irony of that is extraordinary. as regard to mark robinson, you know, with jd vance -- jd vance's blood and soil nationalism, the kind of conservative movement or republican party we would like to see in america is what jd vance used to be, which is not an ethno-nationalist. he was a libertarian, but he was a thoughtful one. we saw that in "hillbilly elegy." he was self-questioning, thoughtful, open to debate, open to ideas. he's now gone to the other end of the spectrum, to blood and soil nationalism, because that is what trump wants. he was quite right when he described trump as a potential american hitler a few years ago. now he's signed up to this potential american hitler, and

we see all the weird -- sort of morbid manifestations of a party that's chosen that route. mark robinson, the self-declared black nazi being one of them. it's exactly what you expect to happen when a party chooses the ethno-nationalist, and fascist route, and i don't use that word lightly. still ahead, can congress head off a government shoutdown? jackie alemany joins us from washington when we come right back. shington when we come righ back

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right now that they want these people voting immediately, and if they don't want them to vote, fine. just have them show they're citizens. >> what's the evidence that it's happening? where have you seen that? >> i haven't seen it, but we know it's happening, right? >> i haven't seen it, but we know it's happening, right? that's republican congressman glenn groffman of wisconsin admitting he has no evidence of his voter fraud claims after suggesting voting by undocumented immigrants will influence the outcome of federal elections. joe, this is something we've heard right from the top from donald trump all the way down through the party that preparing themselves for some kind of a protest if donald trump loses this election because it will be that undocumented immigrants voted for kamala harris. >> again, no evidence of it at all, and they are now willing to shut down the government. most senate republicans, i think, believe this is crazy, but willing to shut down the

government to say that something that's illegal is illegal. it just makes -- it just makes absolutely no sense, and elise jordan, i've got say on top of that, throwing in the replacement theory that, oh, these illegal immigrants are being brought into america because they want to get them to vote and replace us basically, is again, the overall argument, and they are -- and by the way, they're split in their own party over this too. they are willing -- or donald trump is trying to push them to shut down the government to say in a bill that something illegal is still illegal. again, it's just -- they are looking for a fight. they're looking for an excuse to shut down the government when actually people that understand in the republican party what's best for them knows that donald trump is once again leading them down a dangerous electoral path.

>> donald trump doesn't actually care about the functioning of the american government, and that american citizens have a -- have government institutions that are funded and able to respond to their needs. he cares about scoring political points right now, and you look at what happened with the border bill, and there was a chance for there to be bipartisan agreement to do something about the crisis at the border, but no. donald trump torpedos it. he's not interested in policy and doing anything that actually helps the american people. he only is out for himself and his narrow electoral interests, which is why we're also seeing the increased fear mongering, him using words like infested and dehumanizing immigrants and migrants, you know, we're hearing that because he's at a moment of desperation. it reminds me of 2018 when he was ranting about the caravans of migrants coming over the border, and that was an election

where he was nervous, and he didn't fare as well, and i think this is just repeating again. >> let's bring into the conversation, congressional conversations reporter for "the washington post", jackie alemany. what's the state of play here, this buy-in that speaker johnson finds himself in here? needing the democrats to get through the continuing resolution to keep the government open. it's set to close on october the 1st, but hakeem jeffries, the democratic leader saying it's a nonstarter. saying it's voter suppression, and there are laws on the books that say if you are here illegally, you cannot vote in an american election. what does the speaker do with all of this? >> that is really the question going into next week, when government funding is going to expire on september 30th with a government shutdown on october 1st, but look. this six-month extension that speaker johnson had, his majority really forced his majority to vote on this week,

despite knowing it was most likely going to fail. it was a six-month extension of current federal spending levels in addition to the save act. he wanted it to fail so he can now go and have additional leverage, pivot to the senate, and be able to say to his party, okay. now we're going to start negotiations with senate democrats, a senate democratic-led majority in order to try to avoid a shutdown, which both republicans and democrats have said is politically unpalatable, and they're going to get through this, and just to fact check glenn groffman there, there were a number of democrats who initially voted in favor of this bill when it got through the house over the summer. so there isn't a sort of unanimousty over this, but there is an acknowledgment that it's not ultimately going to pass, but whether the -- all of these

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like, i support policies that support the american dream, which, like, someone get him a better speechwriter. >> whatever that means. >> get him better talking points. we're begging you, and i asked him why he would deny me the american dream, and i woke up the next day and millions of people had seen that video, and i think it really sparked for me this, like, line of inquiry that i have been following for years and years and years now which is, like, that i as a girl, 16-year-old girl, right? who was working at a gas station, who was experiencing homelessness, who is suddenly on even footing in the public discourse with a united states senator. >> that's a clip from the new sirius xm political program, "young american with dylan douglas" with degentleman -- deja fox. she was there with dylan douglas.

you might recognize michael douglas and catherine zeta-jones. he spent much of his adult life getting involved in political campaigns. he's using his new show to show how gen z voters and politicians can work together to address issues and reach goals important to young americans stepping in front of the microphone, and dylan joins us now. dylan, it's good to have you on the show. congratulations on the first episode. >> thank you. >> the rollout on sirius xm, and before we dig into some of the specific issues you talked about for example, let's just talk big picture about gen z, the group you cover on your show, and the energy that we've seen around that group of voters among democrats since kamala harris, the vice president of the united states took the baton effectively from joe biden. how have the dynamics of this race changed since that moment? >> sure. well, i think it's just changed absolutely 100%. it's funny. i was actually a kamala harris

fan back in 2020 when she was running. actually the first presidential campaign i myself donated to, and now we have had four years of her as of course, our vice president. as you may know the vice presidency can be a complicated role, hard to navigate, and i think a lot of people thought she lost her voice and now of course, we have her as our to. -- nominee, and she's found her voice. i'm a political person. you're a political person. all of us here i think are political people, but i'm seeing people that have never posted online about politics, aren't inherently political, that are going to her rallies. so the energy i'm seeing not just from gen z, but from all democrats is really, really hopeful and it makes me very inspired and excited for november. >> so dylan, let's talk about gen z. what are some of the issues, abortion rights being one, but some are some of the issues that are particularly animated for them? what do they care about heading into november? >> sure. it's funny.

i think the idea of gen z issues is almost a misnomar. they're the issues. it's gun control because we were the first generation to live in schools where we were scared of getting shot. it's our issues because we were the first generation to not remember anything else. it's housing. we're growing up as a society, as a generation where owning our own home for our entire life is not guaranteed. so it's not necessarily we talk about modern-day slavery, but surfdom. it's many issues, i think that affect all americans and we're the first generation to grow up not knowing anything else. >> so who are some of the guests that we're going to hear from on your show? >> sure. >> over the course of this election season. >> so you just heard from deja fox, a gen z rock star, fighting for planned parenthood, abortion rights her entire adult life. you'll see more of her i think just generally going forward. on my show specifically, i've just come back from ukraine.

i was in kyiv for two days. very, very interesting experience. really life-changing, and we're going to have a few guests this week from kyiv including andre yurmok, chief of staff to ukraine. considered by many as a power broker, this right-hand man of president zelenskyy. he joins us saturday at 11:00 on sirius xm, and we'll talk a his message to america and get kind of into the nitty-gritty of where ukraine is right now in this third year of conflict. >> we have a clip from that interview. let's play it right now. >> sir, before you go, what is your message to americans listening? >> our american brothers and friends, we very much appreciate the first day of the full-scale invasion, we very much appreciate that you feel our pain, pains of our children, pains of our people. you feel like it's your tragedy. we never forget about it. the idea this will be for centuries for the futures. thank you very much, and our

victory will be your victory. >> dylan, one of the things i'm getting from what you're saying is that talking to gen z is not acting like they're in some other nation. >> mm-hmm. >> it's talking to them through the lens that they understand and the issues that they understand, like, you know civil rights. race is different in gen z. still racism, but they grew up -- there was a black president. so they don't see that as an achievement like i would. talk about how gen z can look at the same thing through different lens, and you need to address them without losing those that are older and cutting them off. how do you bridge the gap with everybody? >> sure, reverend. i think -- i mean, you have lived a longer life than i hav. in your life, you've both actively played a part in, and been witness to huge changes, civil rights, you know, we go back to the assassinations of

rfk and jfk, the vietnam war, those protest movements, and so it was such a generational time that informed, i think, your politics, your perspective, and i'm 24, and i think the last 20 years, similarly have been fundamental to the history of this country. i was born a year after 9/11. i don't remember it, of course, but i sort of lived in that post-9/11 world. i vaguely remember that there was a financial crisis going on in 2008. i remember sandy hook. i actually went to school in westchester county, just 20 minutes from sandy hook, connecticut. we were on lockdown that day, and ever since then, we have had school shooting drills many times a year in school. so similar to your life experience, we're living in a moment, a time, not to mention the forever wars, the rise of the tea party, now as my eight years of trump, almost half my life, we're defined by so much chaos, not to mention just

transformative moments, the first african american president. i didn't even realize it. i was 8 years old, that sort of moment in racial politics, history for this country, and now of course, the second chance at a first female president. so it's been a time of turmolt, but it's defined our generation as your moments of your youth, you know, made you who you are. >> i mean, the moments of our youth were, like, a walkman. wow. i can walk around. i think about this all the time because i have children your age, you know, younger or older, and i'm going to say we, you know, there was, you know, our parents sat with the great depression and with world war ii. i think about what people this century, growing up, coming of age this century have dealt with, and you've talked about it. 2001, the failure of hurricane

katrina. >> sure. >> the financial crisis and the greed of 2008, the horrors of sandy hook and the inability of congress to do anything to respond to that. four years in the presidency of donald trump, january the 6th. i mean, there is all of this chaos. it has to be an extraordinarily unsettled population coming of age, and then you add on top of that the financial insecurities. me being able to buy a house in my 20s. most of us my age, we were able to get some house, even if it's a little house, in our 20s, but a lot of people under 40 just seeing that as being out of reach. talk about how all of this puts -- puts younger voters up for grabs. >> well, quite honestly, i think a lot of what our generation has dealt with, and to your point, not to mention the sort of existential crises that we deal

with, housing, the first generation in america knowing that we'll probably not be better off than the generation that preceded us, housing. >> right. >> climate. all these things, i think, can make us really, really radical, really, really pessimistic, and really, really angry, and only of us are, but what i see from my generation more so is hope and optimism, and excitement to do the hard work, engage civically, to make that change, and i think that's what separates our generation from a lot is the hope and ready to do the hard work to make the change, and that's what inspires me so much about my generation. >> well, willie, it is really inspiring. this is, and, you know, i was going down the list of all the traumas, willie. i didn't mention the one that hangs like a shadow over this generation and others, covid. a worldwide pandemic that kept people locked down and isolated,

and actually really sort of exaggerated the problems of loneliness and isolation that we had even before covid. >> yeah. completely altered childhoods, changed the way they approached school, the way they approach friendships, the way they approach family, the way they approach going out in the world, and as dylan said from the outset, this is an energized group of voters now, and the addition of kamala harris replacing joe biden has changed a lot. "young american with dylan douglas" airs sunday on sirius xm. thanks for being here. >> thank you. coming up, the latest on the criminal case against sean "diddy" combs. we'll talk about the legal fallout and what it means for a music industry that apparently looked the other way for years. that conversation just ahead on "morning joe."

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pats. rodgers was good last night and looked like his old self, but let's be honest. the patriots are not good, and it may now officially be drake may time in foxborough. >> a gift from the schedule gods. didn't play an nfl team, so that was -- that was helpful. no. rodgers -- look. he did look good. that jets team, a lot of expectations this year. solid home win, but the patriots are who you thought they were. they stole a game in week one. this is not a good football team. they have no ability to play from behind, and as you say, jacoby brissett is a placeholder patriots' offensive line is so bad, he will get hurt. this is going to be an ugly season. our two teams combined, patriots and giants, combined wins the over/under is maybe 4 1/2.

>> that's why we look at the 2025 nfl mock draft, baby. >> i will say, talking about putting drake maye in, it's foolish. the patriots already destroyed mac jones, who's down in jacksonville. as i said before -- and i think jonathan agrees with me here -- they just mishandled him so badly. he's going to end up with a baker mayfield second act somewhere, because he's a really good quarterback. you can say the same thing about bryce young. mel kiper just went off on carolina and all the ways they have undermined bryce young, their first-round draft pick over the past two years. so now they're benching him. young is handling that with a lot of class, as always. but, you know, willie, this whole idea we're going to draft somebody first overall and

suddenly you bring caleb williams in and you're going to be our champion from there, you know, i'm an old guy, but i do remember, you know, rookies, especially rookie quarterbacks, you gave them a headset, you gave them a clipboard and you walked them on the sideline and said, we're not going to put you out there, have you banged up and have you sit on the sidelines. time and time again for years, that was the way forward, and it's just not happening now. caleb williams is going to have problems with the bears. bryce young has had problems where he's had problems. you put in drake maye on this lousy patriots team, they're going to destroy another good, young quarterback. >> by definition, if you're drafted that high, if you're bryce young or drake maye or caleb williams, the team is terrible, because they have the first, second, third, fourth, fifth pick in the draft, which means they probably don't have

an offensive line or they don't have weapons for them to go to. that one hit that we showed a couple of replays of, that's where you hold your breath when drake maye is taken off his feet and slammed down on the field with his head against the ground, you wonder if it's worth it. >> no! >> something's got to change up there. if this is your long-term plan -- and he is incredibly talented, drake maye -- it might be best to give him that clipboard and learn about the nfl before you throw him to the lions there. coming up, we'll go live to north carolina, where the republican candidate for governor is denying reports he once called himself a black nazi and defended slavery. we'll have developments from that key state when "morning joe" comes right back. state whg joe" comes right back.

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kamala harris appears to have momentum, i think. the polls say she does, but they also say she doesn't. i don't know. a slate of new polls has been rolling out over the last few days. the morning consult says harris got a big bump from the debate, whereas the "new york times" siena college poll says while trump and harris are tied nationally, she's up four paints in pennsylvania, which is a key swing state that could decide the election. but there's bad news too, because the "washington post" says she and trump are tied in pennsylvania. another poll from franklin and marshall college has harris up

by three in pennsylvania, while emerson has her down in pennsylvania. meanwhile, none of these polls mean anything at all. [ applause ] >> they are meaningless, and yet we keep looking at them. they're like the kardashians in a lot of ways. beautiful shot of lower manhattan. welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." just after 9:00 on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west on this friday, friday morning. let's go to the latest in north carolina where a bombshell report has rocked the governors race there. laura jarrett has the very latest. >> mark robinson, the republican candidate for governor in north carolina vowing to fight on. the state's current lieutenant governor flatly denying any connection to a disturbing series of posts cnn uncovered online. >> these are not my words.

this is simply tabloid trash. >> reporter: cnn publishing a string of incendiary comments stretching back to 2008, well before robinson began his political career. cnn saying robinson declared in one post from 2010, "i'm a black nazi," in another, "slavery is not bad, some people need to be slaves," a long with a slew of sexually explicit tweets. he used the same username across various online platforms. robinson defiant, dismissing it as a smear campaign. >> let me reassure you, the things you see in that story, those are not the words of mark

robinson. >> reporter: the social conservative has a long track record of inflammatory comments from calling the holocaust hogwash to declaring there should be no separation between church and state. robinson is currently trailing in the polls against democrat josh stein. late thursday, north carolina's republican party said they're sticking by him, while the chair of the national republican congressional committee telling reporters -- >> well, the allegations are very concerning. my hope is that the lieutenant governor can reassure the people of north carolina that the allegations aren't true. >> that was nbc's laura jarrett with that report. let's now bring in nbc news correspondent antonia hilton, who joins live from raleigh, north carolina. good morning. good to see you. we just heard from north carolina's republican party there saying they are going to stick with the embattled candidate.

what more can you tell us? >> reporter: that's right. the truth is at this point they have no other option. that's because the deadline for him to drop out was 11:59 p.m. last night. that, of course, has come and gone, so there's no way to get another name on that ballot. we're seeing a range of reactions from republican. some have been deleting their social media posts standing next to robinson or celebrating him or appearing at rallies with him, while others are saying they are waiting to see if he can forcefully make clear these comments weren't his. democrats, i can tell you they have been just gleeful about all of this. i spoke to several operatives yesterday, and they were laughing when i got on the phone with them, talking about how in a way this isn't a surprise to them, because this is someone

who's been in the hot seat in north carolina many times before. they think this is likely the last straw for a lot of voters, that it could drag down the republican ticket and thereby forge a path for the harris campaign. trump has called him martin luther king on steroids. there is a relationship, a friendship there you're going to see democrats really tie him to. what we haven't seen yet is robinson actually appear in public. he released statements yesterday denying all of this, calling it a smear, trying to tie it to his democratic opponent. but what we're waiting to see is does he come out and talk to voters and address this at events in the next couple days. that remains to be seen, guys. >> antonia hilton reporting from raleigh, north carolina, thank you again. reverend al sharpton back with us here.

rev, the complete opposite reaction from democrats, who were anxious up until that deadline that robinson might drop out, that republicans might have a chance to have someone else run for governor. that has not happened. boy, north carolina sure in play for vice president harris. >> mark robinson is a gift to the democrats in north carolina and to the harris campaign. the fact is that the reason why many go with these statements that he's trying to deny is it lines up with what he's been saying. he has said the holocaust was hogwash. this is what he has said and admitted to saying. he says blacks should be paying whites for reparations for taking care of us during slavery, because they gave us free home and board. these are things he's said. i preached recently twice in north carolina, in winston-salem for sir walter mack and in greensboro. and i'm going on a bus tour, a

get out the vote tour in north carolina. people are saying, wait a minute, this is a guy that donald trump equated with martin luther king? i mean, martin luther king would never in a million years stand for the things this guy stands for. so if this is how donald trump views martin luther king, how does he view the nation? how does he view blacks? don't lose sight of the fact he's been embraced by donald trump, and donald trump took one of the most revered figures in american history and tied him to this political -- i won't use that word on television. one more headline. vice president harris took part in a livestreamed event with oprah winfrey last night in michigan, where she discussed some of the most pressing issues facing americans. meanwhile, donald trump, he spoke to a jewish group in washington, d.c., where he complained about his low support

among jewish americans. white house correspondent peter alexander has more. >> please welcome kamala harris! [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: the queen of daytime hosting the vice president in prime time, part of a star-studded get out the vote effort for the democratic nominee. the harris campaign hoping to use oprah's popularity to court undecided voters. >> this is about the strength of who we are as americans. >> reporter: ahead of harris' visit to georgia today, where she'll emphasize reproductive rights, a powerful message from a family of a 28-year-old pregnant woman who blames her death two years ago on georgia's restrictive abortion laws. >> amber was not a statistic. >> reporter: the night also including this unexpected moment when harris, a gun owner, discussed her support for the second amendment and tougher gun restrictions. >> i'm a gun owner. if somebody breaks into my house, they're getting shot.

>> yes, yes. i hear that. i hear that. >> probably should not have said that. [ laughter ] >> reporter: harris also discussing immigration the trump sees as a key vulnerability for her. asked for the specific steps she'd take on the border, harris criticized former president trump for urging republicans to kill a border security bill. >> this, again, gets to the point about what does leadership really look like? my work and my career has always been about saying let's fix problems, let's address the needs, because we know it's within our capacity to do that. >> to answer justin's question, now that that bill has gone and hasn't passed, will you reintroduce that? >> absolutely. >> reporter: her republican rival in washington at events focused on fighting anti-semitism. trump complaining that a majority of jewish americans support harris, and even appearing to blame the jewish community if he's defeated this fall. >> if i don't win this election -- and the jewish

people would really have a lot to do that if that happens, because 60% of the people are voting for the enemy. >> reporter: and this dire prediction. >> israel will not exist in two years if she becomes president. what a difference a president makes, big difference. >> joining us now we have senior writer for "the dispatch" david drucker, special correspondent for "vanity fair" molly jong-fast, and host of "majority rules" and, most importantly, celebrating her birthday today, lauren leader. as a birthday gift to you, you get first. let's get to your response. first of all, let's start with trump's comments there about jewish americans and about how they would shoulder a lion's share of the blame were he to lose. that is such dangerous, dangerous rhetoric. >> i mean, really only trump can

show up to a speech about anti-semitism and immediately repeat a disgusting anti-semitic trope, which is blame the jews for whatever outcome you don't like that doesn't align with what i want. it's just -- he can't help himself. look, i think republicans -- trump has attracted a certain segment of certainly conservative jews who see him as tougher on hamas and have been frustrated by some of the dissent in the democratic party over israel policy. it's definitely been a winner for him, but it's just so -- he's done this over and over again. i'm old enough to remember in 2016 when their campaign sent out one of the most anti-semitic flyers i've seen with stars of david and dollar bills on hillary clinton's face. they have a long history of this, embracing white supremacy, and of course his own relationship with avowed white

supremacist anti-semites. it's par for the course. i shake my head. what can you say? he does this over and over again. >> and in defense of those chanting things in charlottesville as well back in 2017. >> exactly. >> trump added that he said it was up to israel, israel to defeat kamala harris. >> i mean, this is, again, an anti-semitic trope, the idea that if you're jewish, you're somehow connected to israel. and look, israel is an important part of a lot of jew's lives, uh be it also is not. the idea that you have to be a certain kind of jew in order to be jewish is really quite anti-semitic, and it is what donald trump does. by the way, conservatives have been doing this forever, right, saying if you're -- jews have like a -- i mean, i'm jewish, my grandparents were fighting for

civil rights in the south. there's a long history of liberal jews and of the connection between being an oppressed people, you know, joining an oppressed people. it's some of the parts of my family history that i'm the most proud of, is these kind of fights for equality. so the idea that somehow jews should throw all of this away in order to support a country, which is a wonderful country, but it's quite far away and is also not what is happening right now. right now this is an election that is about america. >> in addition to all of that, at that very same event last night, trump also said he would reinstate a travel ban if he returns to the white house. let's take a listen as to why he thinks that's necessary. >> we'll seal our border and bring back the travel ban. remember the famous travel ban? we didn't take people from certain areas of the world because i didn't wanna have

people ripping down and burning our shopping centers and killing people, but we're not taking from infested countries. >> infested countries. molly, your latest piecehas this headline "donald trump's springfield scapegoat." you write in part, donald trump doesn't so much run for something as he runs against somebody. his latest attacks are aimed at haitian immigrants, but what we're seeing is a playbook previously used to target other ethnic or religious groups and with a similar goal, to make the maga base feel like they're under attack. trump needs his people to think america is on the brink of collapse and to associate that collapse with an other. the goal is to panic the base, and since there isn't a scary enough truth, lies will do. trump's lie about springfield might be particularly grotesque, but it's in the same tradition of racist rhetoric that he has been testing out since the

beginning of his campaign and used again last night, i'll add with the infested countries line. talk to us about -- because this has put people's lives in danger. we've seen what's happened in springfield, where there have been bomb threats, hospitals, city hall and schools closed. >> look, he said it about mexicans in 2016. he said racist lies about obama. he said, you know, muslims. he said it about haitians now. again,s the really just this othering, right? it's saying these lies about a group of people in order to get the base to feel they're besieged or in danger. and then they'll maybe sign onto some of this really extreme legislation. if you look at project 2025, a lot of that stuff is pretty off the -- you know, it's not anything that we're used to in america. and so the idea here is to do

this is to make his base terrified and to make them think somehow you won't have a country anymore. it's relevant. i feel so bad for these haitian immigrants who are just working in springfield, ohio, the way my great grandparents came here. like this is what america is about. and they now can't go to school. they're scared to send their kids to school. there was a brilliant op-ed in the "washington post" about how when she was a haitian immigrant 20 years ago, we had this same kind of thing. >> the harris campaign is painting the rhetoric as extreme, project 2025, all of that. you've got reporting on how the harris team is really targeting independents and even some disaffected republicans in battleground states, namely, arizona. >> yeah. there's a whole micro campaign within the harris campaign that

is strictly focused on republicans and conservative-leaning independents who don't like donald trump, but are wary of supporting a democrat for president, because they haven't become more liberal during the trump years. they're still sort of traditional reagan-era conservatives. so what the harris campaign has done, number one, is put together a whole group of validaters, republicans that have endorsed harris because they find trump unpalatable for, you know, a lot of the reasons we discuss on a daily basis and send them into these battleground states. in arizona in particular, they're sending them into deep red counties, not just throughout suburban phoenix. we know they're in a trump era. suburban voters drifted from the republican party. they've been supporting democrats. they've got people throughout the state. there are dedicated ads. there is a lot of phone banking and door knocking.

this is very, again, a sort of micro targeting type of operation. one thing i'll just say here is it's interesting what they're saying in order to try and move the needle here. what they're telling these voters is we're not here to ask you to reregister as democrats or to become democrats. what we're asking you to do is to give the republican party some space to get back to what it used to be. we can debate whether that's possible, but what they're saying is we don't find trump worthy of our vote, we are hoping to get past the trump era to the point where we can start to vote for republicans again, where you can start to vote for republicans again. but for now, part of doing that involves supporting the vice president. in arizona they invoke john mccain's name, which i'm told still has a lot of currency. and kari lake points in a direct way to how trump has affected

the party. >> joining us now, democratic senator chris coons of delaware. he is a co--cochair of the harris/walz campaign. trump said he would potentially reinstitute a travel ban were he to take the white house again. >> what's stunning about this is the consistency with which donald trump has rolled out hateful, racist, anti-muslim, anti-jewish, anti-black, anti-immigrant rhetoric from before he ever ran for president with his campaign to suggest that barack obama was not really american to the very first things he said when he announced he was running for president in

a hateful diatribe against mexicans, to the things he and his running mate, jd vance, are saying today about springfield, ohio. so this is consistent across his time in public life. the travel ban he was referring to was specifically targeting muslims, and it's stunning, but sadly should not be in any way surprising that he can show up at a pro-israel event that was supposed to be focused on combatting anti-semitism and roll out some of the oldest anti-semitic tropes. this is a guy who doesn't use dog whistles. he uses a bullhorn. in his campaign, he has chosen jd vance as his running mate. one thing about how traditional republicans, reagan republicans are standing up to him in some places in some ways, mike dewine, who is the conservative republican governor of ohio was born in springfield, ohio, and he has a column out in the "new york times" saying i don't

recognize the springfield that they're talking about. he's publicly said to jd vance and donald trump, stop the nonsense, you're putting people at risk, this is hateful rhetoric. and there was a list of 111 national security and foreign policy leaders of the reagan administration, both bush administrations and the trump administration who led a letter -- i think it was published in "the times" as well saying donald trump is unfit to serve, and they are supporting kamala harris for president in the interest of our nation and our security. >> senator, it's lauren leader, good morning. staying with foreign policy, i did want to ask you, today is day 350 that hostages are being held by hamas. it feels very quiet in the news cycle in terms of any progress of any kind of deal either way. what are you hearing about what may be coming or not? are we dead in the water? are there still opening to be

had? what's your sense, especially after the retaliations against hezbollah, et cetera? can you give us a bit of an update? >> i've been close to hostage families, in particular john and racial who lost their son hersh recently. this is the goldberg-polins. in the time since october 7th, it is heartbreaking how close we've come to a cease-fire and hostage deal. i know senior members of the biden team are in the region and are actively engaged in continuing to find ways to push hamas through qatar and through egypt to come to the table and to finally achieve this cease-fire and hostage deal. they've also been pressing on israel and prime minister netanyahu, but ongoing escalating attacks in the north of israel by hezbollah, this striking incident where pagers and walkie-talkies were remotely

detonated and the ongoing ground war in gaza all make it hard to imagine a cease-fire deal ever coming together, something i know president biden urgently wants to get done. >> switching gears, some of the more famed summit cities of our time, paris, helsinki and now wilmington, delaware, a city near and dear to your heart as president biden hosts the members of the quad, the others being india, japan and australia. he talks about the need to have personal ties when it comes to diplomacy and showing off his hometown is a way to do that. tell us, what are some of the more strategic goals here of this summit, which comes right before, of course, the united nations general assembly. >> president biden and vice president harris have accomplished great things in the indo-pacific in building a network, a lattice of allies and partners.

i was recently in korea and japan. one of the unqualified successes of the last four years has been bringing those nations together. president biden will be hosting in wilmington the prime ministers of japan, india and australia for one of his other great successes, which is pulling those countries closer in negotiation and conversation with the united states. he and vice president harris have also made real progress in improving and strengthening our ties to the philippines and vietnam. we are in a much stronger place today because vice president harris has travelled to the region repeatedly. president biden has strengthened our ties in the region. this has been the real pivot to asia that has long been discussed that has often been difficult to achieve because of ongoing conflicts in the middle east and of course russia's brutal war in ukraine.

president biden will continue to strengthen and deepen these regional ties. we go into next week's general assembly, which will be president biden's last, as a great opportunity for senior leaders of the united states to build on the strength vice president harris has shown. i've been with her as she has addressed several gatherings of world leaders in europe and here in the united states, and to layout a positive vision of what a harris administration might well do to build on the strengths of the biden administration. >> democratic senator chris coons of delaware, thank you, and enjoy your home state's time in the international spotlight this weekend. david drucker, let's pick up where we began this block, which is the republican gubernatorial candidate there mark robinson. he already was trailing in the polls. give us your analysis about not just his chances, but how he might drag down donald trump in

that state. >> there are republicans concerned about reverse coat coattails. we've seen candidates rise to the fore in donald trump's image. the republican party's public is not as forgiving with these sorts of candidate the way they are with trump, who they've seen as an entertainer and is sort of an international or national figure of a different sort. this is something that over the years as i've covered politics, celebrities that go into politics are given more latitude, at least by their party, for wayward behavior than are figures who rise through the normal ranks of politics. this is a problem in that it throws away a winnable governor's race unless something radically changes in this contest. and it reminds voters at a local level, sort of what we were

talking about with kari lake in north carolina, it reminds republican voters of things about donald trump they don't like. he's a proven quantity for good and for ill, but often for good when it comes to republicans in a purple, red-leaning state. mark robinson compromised the message there, and it's going to force the campaign to work a lot harder. >> it's extraordinary that somehow republicans managed to recruit a candidate worse than herschel walker for a major gubernatorial race. if you even say the words candidate quality, it's almost laughable. it's just unbelievable that they could not find better candidates to run in a critical state like north carolina, a very purple state, by the way, which has had a deeply split legislature and

barely a republican super majority by one vote. it's a gift for the democrats, but honestly, it is sad for the country. it is very sad to see characters like this that are so outside the mainstream that have such hateful, disgusting rhetoric getting a platform. >> he's the lieutenant governor, though. >> he's lieutenant governor now. in the year 2024, the most important characteristic to achieve in the republican party is to say nice things about donald trump, and mark robinson has done that. >> lauren leader, happy birthday again, and david drucker, thanks to you both. sean "diddy" combs was denied bail, leaving the rapper and mogul to remain at a new york jail his legal team has called horrific. this as federal prosecutors cite

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with a qualifying trade-in. don't wait! call, click or visit an xfinity store today. welcome back. sean "diddy" combs is in a new york jail this morning after a judge denied his team's request for bail earlier this week. while combs has plead not guilty, the judge presiding over the request cited the rapper's anger issues and history of substance abuse as the primary reasons for the denial. diddy's legal team then appealed the first court's ruling to a second judge, who upheld the bond denial. that judge cited a risk of witness tampering and a danger to the community as the reason for rejecting the request. combs' attorneys are now attempting to get the rapper moved to a better jail, but it's unclear if they'll be successful. joining us to talk about it, nbc

news internet correspondent. you've got some news breaking this morning on this case. tell us about it. >> sean "diddy" combs is currently under suicide watch, according to a source familiar over at the metropolitan detention center in brooklyn. but i do want to add that this source says this is procedural, especially when it comes to high-profile clients. the source, who is very familiar with what's going on with him and his case, says he is in good spirits, that he's remaining strong and he's very focused on his defense. we do know his legal team has been trying to get him moved to a different jail over in new jersey, because they have talked about the horrific conditions of the metropolitan detention center. that's something i can tell you more about this morning. but as of right now, yes, he is under suicide watch. >> i knew diddy, worked with him on things, but was stunned when

i saw the tape of him dragging and beating this young lady and then the indictment comes. there are many of us that protest and deal with justice. this is a very respected prosecutor damian williams. the broader question is how the music industry has normalized this kind of misogyny and kind of carrying on. do you think this case, wherever it is going, will also bring a light to what has been normalized in the music industry by the behavior of some of the artists like they're just given a pass? >> that's an interesting question. i think it's a big one that will come up in this case about whether this will just be about mr. combs and his alleged behavior or whether it will go

wider into the music industry. i think that one big question that we're going to see once this prepares to go to trial is sort of how much wider it goes, who else was involved. the indictment talks about other coconspirators, basically accomplices, people who worked for him. damian williams, the u.s. attorney, mentioned this in his press conference about he didn't act alone, he had these various people working for him. he's basically talking about his assistants and security personnel who would help him in these alleged acts, the sex trafficking, this racketeering. the charge is racketeering conspiracy. the question is, does it go beyond that? if this is something that had been going on for many, many years -- and the indictment says it's as far back as 2008.

so if it goes that far back, you know, who knew? was there anyone else involved in the music industry who knew about this, who looked the other way, who may have been complicit? we don't know that, but i think that is a question that is, you know -- everyone in the music business is thinking about and wondering about. >> is this a metoo moment in the music business? >> this is something i've been thinking about over the last couple days. after the allegations of harvey weinstein first came forward in october of 2017, you saw an onslaught of celebrities taking to social media, obviously the metoo hashtag, and you saw celebrities coming forward with either their own examples with harvey weinstein or pointing the finger at other powerful figures. i'm not seeing many people in

the music industry coming out right now and speaking out. maybe that has to do with the raids and what did federal authorities find, what is on those alleged videotapes and who else could be complicit in this and brought into this, because the us attorney's office said they are going to keep the door open to potential more challenges. they urged people to come forward if you have more information. there is a lot here that we don't know, but i do think that the silence is deafening right now. >> give us your sense to what might come next. and also reflect, if you will, about sean combs here. what a remarkable fall from grace for someone who was not that long ago really seen as at the pinnacle of the industry. >> yeah. i think what happens next is he's probably going to remain in jail, and a trial date will be set. once that is set, there will be some pretrial activity, and

there may be more evidence that will be pointed to by the prosecutor. so the possibility of potentially another indictment, as chloe said, the prosecutors have basically appealed to the public and saying, you know, this is an ongoing investigation, if you have more information, please come forward. i think that's a very deliberate move by the prosecutor. one thing that really stood out to people and to me about the indictment is it appears to rely very heavily, almost entirely on the story of cassie, who blew this open last year with her civil lawsuit against him, alleging that he had forced her into these -- they call them freak-offs. it's coerced sex with prostitutes and that she was intimidated and threatened. that's the key to the

racketeering idea. but so far that's the bulk of their indictment, and it only mentions one victim, who is unnamed, but seems to be cassie. so if the government has more witnesses, if they have more victims, if they're able to get more evidence now, they may come forward with some of that, with another indictment. the question about diddy's fall from grace, that's an incredible story. he's in some ways an american success story. he's an incredibly important figure in the history of hip-hop and i'd say of the modern music business of just turning hip-hop into this global pop force and the branding of it and all the businesses that he's gotten into and his persona as a producer and celebrity, an artist, that's a really remarkable thing.

it was extremely shocking when cassie filed her lawsuit. i think the brutal nature of those accusations were really disturbing. but i think that if you had been paying attention, sean combs has been sort of dogged by accusations of violence for a long time, including against women. a lot of that started to be resurfaced after she filed her lawsuit. it's pretty easy to put together a timeline that shows this man has been accused very credibly of a lot of violence against both men and women over the years. >> we will, of course, be following this case as it continues. thank you. coming up here, one of the largest labor groups in the country will not be endorsing a

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welcome back. a growing number of local teamsters unions in key battleground states are rushing to endorse vice president harris for president. the move comes after the national teamsters union announced this week that it would not be endorsing a presidential candidate for the first time in nearly three decades. specifically, teamsters regional councils in michigan, wisconsin, nevada and western pennsylvania all declared their endorsements for harris just hours after the national union failed to support anyone. additionally, the "washington post" points out that local teamsters unions in philadelphia, new york city, long beach, california, and miami along with the union's

national black caucus and a group of retirees have all endorsed harris. rev, there was some disappointment in democratic circles that the teamsters didn't endorse harris and more of their members actually endorsed trump. >> that is very important, because they're the ones that have the resources and the workers and members on the ground. i think this is a real defeat to trump, because trump needed that union president, who spoke at the convention, to be able to deliver the endorsement. he didn't. it wasn't that the failure was on harris' side. it was the failure on the president to be able to get the national union endorsement and the open rebellion of local chapters where the rubber meets the road. that's going to be very important. >> reverend al sharpton, thank you for spending your morning

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frank. so good to see you this morning as always, we're going to let you pick. what's the number one thing you're excited about as we head into the fall season. i want to go back a little. we have to talk about oh, mary, and once upon a mattress, which are part of the new season, the 2024, 2025 broadway season. "oh, mary!" is now on broadway, a cabaret obsessed mary todd lincoln. every star is flocking to the show. hugh jackman was there, rosie o'donnell. it's a who's who in the audience. it's fantastic, and cole is a comic genius. foster is back on the boards in a family friendly musical, "once upon a mattress. she plays princess winifred

or fred as she's known. it's fantastic and a great family option if you're looking to take your family to the theater. >> foster was here on "morning joe" last week. talk about "the roommate," the return of mia farrow. mia was out of the show a couple of nights. she had covid. it's directed by jack o'brien. another great of the theater, and it's about this odd couple of sorts who come together, and you know, really find each other. a fantastic play. currently playing at the booth theater. >> a lot of revivals on this list. talk to us about that. >> one of the biggest revivals this season, "our town," katie holmes, zoey deutch, directed by

kenny leon, who has become one of our great directors on broadway. earlier this season, he did a production of "home." he's doing the "denzel washington" othello in the spring. i'm looking forward to seeing that. that opens in a couple of weeks. >> and "gypsy," the final musical to close out 2024, starring aud ra mcdonald. played by pattilupone. bernadette peters, the greatest musical written. i'm thrilled for this one. >> there are big names coming to broadway, including about as big as it gets, robert downey junior. >> on september 30th, he will open "mcneal," he plays this writer who has a fascination

with ai, and it's truly a hot ticket. it also features andrea martin, and the tony award winner. and "the big gay jamboree." >> i'm excited about this one. one of the hot shows still playing off broadway, it's written by marla mandel, who stars in the show. she cowrote and standard in titaneke, stacy wakes up from a night of partying and it's cooky, fun, and i think it's going to be one to watch. we may see this move uptown later. one of my favorite, favorite, favorite, movies, one of the most feminist movies growing up "death becomes her" is becoming a show? >> it's a musical.

i'm happy to report it opened in chicago over the summer. people are loving it, and it stars megan hilty and jennifer f they played the goldie hawn, meryl streep characters. she was saying she can not wait to bring this to new york because in the audience, people are coming dressed as the characters from the film. i think this is going to be an audience participation type show. >> one more for you. neil patrick harris, debra messing, star in a show with a title, hillary clinton did yelled. "blank meet, fan," it's a stacked cast. neil patrick harris, debra messing, constance woo. they have to put their cell phones on the coffee table.

they have to read aloud every text, every voice mail, and read every e-mail, as you can imagine, blank hits the fan. >> on a day like today, i'm glad i'm not playing that game. there are plenty of stories going through the group chats at the moment. the host of on stage on spectrum news. frank, so good as always. and that does it for us this morning. thank you for watching today and all week long. we'll see you again monday. ana cabrera picks up the msnbc coverage right now. right now on "ana cabrera reports" battleground bomb shell, a republican refusing to exit north carolina's gubernatorial race. as posts made years ago on a porn web site, igniting a political fire storm for the gop. plus, vice president kamala harris bringing her campaign down to georgia as donald trump criticizes jewish americans not voting for him. also ahead, breaking news on exhale, the vote