now is going to be after this escalation because it is really very much perceived, jose, as an escalation, on the lebanese side that killed, by the way, civilians in the process, will hezbollah up the ante, will they match the attack at the level that the israelis have mounted in the last few days, that's the big question. if they do, we are ever closer to a regional conflict. jose? >> thank you so very much. that attack on the u.s. barracks in beirut,th 23rd, 1983, killed 241 u.s. marines. that wraps up the hour for me. i'm jose diaz-balart in for katy occur. thank you for the privilege of your time. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone.

it is 4:00 here in new york. i'm alicia menendez in for nicolle wallace. quote, you are not alone. vice president kamala harris on the trail today with a message for women all across this country living under abortion bans. putting up front and cente issue that has been central to her campaign. an issue that she has highlighted during her tenure as vice president. that is reproductive rights. in just the last hour harris gave remarks in georgia home to 28-year-old amber thurman. as we reported earlier, thurman was a nursing assistant and a mother to a 6-year-old son who died after delays in getting emergency care. all because of georgia's strict six-week abortion ban. here's what harris had to say about thurman. >> a vibrant 28-year-old young woman, she was ambitious. i talked with her mother and her sisters about her, and they described such an extraordinary

life of a person. she was excited, she was working hard. she was a medical assistant. she was going to nursing school. raising her 6-year-old son. she was really proud that she had finally worked so hard that she gained the independence. her family was telling me she was able to get an apartment in a gated community with a pool for her son to play in. she was so proud. and she was headed to nursing school. and her name, and we will speak her name, amber nicole thurman. amber nicole thurman. >> amber nicole thurman. >> that's right. under the trump abortion ban, her doctors could have faced up to a decade in prison for providing amber the care she

needed. understand what a law like this means. doctors have to wait until the patient is at death's door before they take action. you know, on the other side of my -- you know, the other folks, trump and his running mate, and they talk, oh, yeah, but i -- i do believe in the exception to save the mother's life. okay, all right, let's break that down, shall we? [ cheers ] let's break that down. let's break that down. so we're saying that we're going to create public policy that says that a doctor, a health care provider, will only kick in to give the care that somebody needs if they're about to die? think about what we are saying

right now. her last words to her mother, which her mother as you know tears up and cries every time she speaks it, last words to her mother, "promise me you'll take care of my son." so i met last night and spent time with amber's mother and her sisters, and they spoke about amber, a daughter, a sister, a mother. with the deep love that you can imagine and how terribly they miss her. and their pain is heartbreaking. it's heartbreaking. amber's mother shanette told me that the word preventable is over and over again in her head when she learned about how her

child died. the word preventable. she cannot -- she can't stop thinking about the word that they spoke to her. it was preventable. because you know, medical experts have now determined that amber's death was preventable. >> it was preventable. the vice president underscoring the deadly consequences of the abortion bans enacted after dobbs and putting the blame squarely on the ex-president and republicans, calling them hypocrites, saying that trump is proud of stripping women of their rights and putting them in danger. take a listen. >> the idea that someone who survives a crime of violence to their body, a violation of their body, would not have the right to make a decision about what happens to their body next, that's immoral.

that's immoral. and let us agree, and i know we do, one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government should not be telling her what to do. [ cheers and applause ] think about that, when you also combine that with what we know has been long-standing neglect around an issue like maternal mortality. think about that when you compound that with what has been long-standing neglect of women in communities with a lack of the adequate resources they need for health care, prenatal, during their pregnancy, postpartum. think about that. >> this event today coming off a star-studded but emotional town hall hosted by one of the vice president's most famous supporters, the most famous woman in the world, oprah winfrey. they touched on a series of topics, some of which we'll get to later in the show. oprah ended the live stream with

a direct appeal to undecided voters and centrists. >> i just want to say for all of you watching who are still on the fence, you're in the middle, you're independent, as i am, or whether you're just still don't know what you're going to do, this is the moment for all decent people, all caring people who want the best for yourself and you want the best for other people, this is the moment for people who are tired of all of the bickering and all of the name calling, people who are exhausted by the craziness and the made-up stories and the conspiracies. this is the moment you want to get on with your life because you know that we can do better and that we deserve better. you know this. i know you know this. i know you feel this.

i know this is what you're saying amongst yourselves. it's in all the conversations that we're asking, that you're have -- we're having, that you're having. we're better than this. we're better. we're better. and we want to create a world where our children will be safe in school again. and as my friend and mentor my angelou always said, when you know better, you got do better. thank you. so let's do better and vote for kamala harris! [ applause ] >> that is where we start today with nbc news correspondent yamiche alcindor where the event with the vice president just ended. also president of reproductive freedom of all, and here with me at the table, reverend al sharpton, president of the national action network and host of "politics nation" right here on msnbc. yamiche, i want to begin with you. this wasn't your ordinary political rally, this was somber. it was intimate. tell me about the room that you are in.

>> reporter: that's right. what you saw today was not the sort of campaign rally that's raucous, where people are chanting. instead we saw an intimate, solemn event where the vice president could almost see every single person in the room and where every person was sort of sitting shoulder to shoulder and there was an emotionalness and a heaviness to this event. when the vice president was talking about amber nicole thurman and candy miller, two mothers who died of what state officials and "propublica" is reporting are preventable abortion deaths, people in this room were crying. they were emotional. they were reacting. there were a lot of people just taking in the news and really understanding what it means when women in the state of georgia are dying because they don't get the care that they need in moments of emergencies. and in this case, you saw the vice president not just talk about the way these women died, which is, of course, so sad, but it's also, she was talking as

you played the fact that amber was a young mother who wanted to take care of her son, who asked her mother in her dying breath, her last moments on this earth to promise that she would take care of my son. she said she had a plan, she had a vision for what her life was going to look like. that's why she wanted this abortion, because we didn't want to take on more than she could. and for candy miller, a mother of three, who had lupus, who had diabetes, she was trying to stay around for her children, and instead ended up dying, laying in the bed with her 3-year-old. this was really a different kind of event and an event where the vice president was really trying to lean in on personal stories and trying to impact undecided voters who might be moved by the personal. she also said, i shd say, not only was it preventable, she'd the word predictable. she said this was predictable. >> indeed preventable and predictable. amber thurman's family spoke on a live stream. listen to what they said. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> initially i did not want the

public to know my pain. i wanted to go through in silence, but i realized that it was selfish. i want you all to know amber was not a statistic. she was loved by a family, a strong family. and we would have done whatever to get my baby, our baby, the help that she needed. >> i mean, it's heartbreaking, you know. that was my baby sister. i loved my baby sister, you know. i'm beyond hurt. disappointed. i feel guilty. i wish i could have helped her, you know, because she was suffering. and we had no idea -- we trusted them to take care of her, you know. and they just let her die because -- because of some stupid abortion ban. >> i want to say that it is very

disheartening that my sister was allowed to suffer for 20 hours. she suffered, it was nothing that we could do to help her. we trusted the health care professionals to do their job and save her, but they failed her. >> what that evokes for me is something that the vice president said when she talked about how very often abortion gets framed as a moral or immoral choice when really what we're talking about right now, providing health care to women who need it, also carries its own sense of morality and immorality. >> you know, absolutely. you know, abortion is health care full stop. and what these horror stories that are coming out that have been coming out, these storytellers that have been on the road but also medical providers who have been talking about the challenges they're facing, tell us is there's a morality in providing access to care. it's more than just the absolute full right to abortion care.

it's also about access to care. so -- i'm sorry, i watched that clip last night, and watching it now -- it's very emotional. very emotional. here's what i'll say -- amber's family talked earlier in that segment about how many times the "propublica" reporter had approached them, and how many times her mother had said i just don't -- i don't want to relive it. but that the reporter finally got through to her by saying you need to share the story because other families could have family members whose lives could be saved. you need to share the story, and please work with us on this reporting because there's something terrible happening in this country, and we're trying to shed light on it. when we have families like am burr thurman's and can't -- amber thurman's and candy miller's, the story of a woman

who died because of the trump abortion ban, it's horrific. it's tragic. it's heartbreaking. but it makes the moral clarity really come alive. it makes the point. it sets up the discussion in a way that quite frankly until we have these confirmed deaths because of these bans, wasn't going to break through for all americans. so i'm so glad the vice president did this event today even though's gut-wrenching to watch. >> yes, i, too, look forward to the day when women don't have to excavate their own pain and trauma in order to be seen in their full humanity. rev, take a listen to what the vice president said to thurman's family. >> amber's mom shared with me that the word over and over again in her mind is preventable. >> yeah. >> preventable. that word keeps coming to her. >> uh-huh. >> and this story is a story that is sadly not the only story

of what has been happening since these bans have taken place. and you know, so the -- just to step back in terms of how we got here, the former president chose three members of the united states supreme court with the intention that they would overdue the protection of roe v. wade. and they did as he intended, and in state after state including yours, these abortion bans have been passed that criminalize health care providers. in a couple states, prison for life, oprah. prison for life in a couple of states. for a doctor and nurse who provides health care. and so it seems very apparent -- >> even when the mother's life is in danger. >> here's the problem with that -- here's the problem with that -- so is she on death's door

before you decide to give her help? >> the one-two wunch, rev, of being able to connect and lead with empathy and then also understanding the policy behind the personal trauma is something that donald trump does not have. >> no. i think that not only doesn't donald trump have it, it's unique in vice president harris. and i've seen her do this in other situations, but clearly she drives the nail through the wood in this issue. as one that could really interpret that i can empathize with a family who shouldn't have to be going through this, and at the same time talk about the policies and why they're going through this. and when we had the racial massacre in buffalo a couple of years ago, she came to the funeral. i did the eulogy, and sat with that family. she did the same when tyree nichols was killed by black cops in memphis.

she came to that funeral. and i kind of made her speak. she has this empathy about her that's sincere for policy. i think what is important is that people that are making a moral judgment -- and i'm a minister -- you're making a moral judgment when you decide you're going to risk the life of the mother, as well. where does the morality decide what is right and wrong which is why the law ought to give people a choice of what they decide is moral and not. not having imposed reality to say i'm going to decide you can go to death's door and hope you make it, i don't know. i'm going to decide that for you. but you're not going to have a decision over your child no matter how or what stage you may be in in the pregnancy. you're still making a moral decision and a moral decision that takes a life as in this case. >> yamiche, we have about 30 seconds. i want to ask you where the president goes next.

the vice president goes next. >> reporter: the vice president is heading to wisconsin where she's going to be having a bigger kind of campaign rally. she's going to be talking about the economy, trying to really reach out to rural voters and voters that may be undecided in the battleground state. she's also going to be talking about reproductive health as that is a big theme of her campaign. >> all right. no one is going anywhere. when we come back, more from vice president kamala harris last night with oprah opening herself up in a new way with a new audience, taking on some new issues. plus, donald trump seeking to lock in the jewish vote at an anti-semitism event, warning them of dark times ahead should he lose in november. laying the blame for that loss squarely at their feet. the latest dangerous rhetoric coming from the republican nominee for president. later in the show, a brutal story about the already-struggling right-wing candidate for governor in north carolina, giving democrats a huge opening in that state. the harris campaign is wasting no time linking extremist mark

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part of my plan is to give startup small businesses a $50,000 tax deduction to start up their small business. right now it's $5,000. nobody can start a small business with $5,000. so that's part of my plan. >> that's a teeny, tiny business. >> that's a business in -- >> teeny, tiny business. >> a concept of a business, right? >> yes. >> you know where i'm going -- >> vice president harris at a star-studded town hall with

oprah winfrey last night, hitting a range of key issues in this election from reproductive rights as we've been discussing to the economy, immigration, gun violence, and taking the opportunity to contrast her plan for the country to donald trump's, quote/unquote, concept of a plan. back with yamiche, mini and rev. this was the first time that vice president kamala harris spoke at length about some of these issues. nobody got a car last night. what stood out to you? >> reporter: what stood out to me was really the fact that, one, oprah is just the best at interviewing people because she lets and allows people and sort of gets people to let their guard down in a way that's different than other people. we all, of course, aspire to be her. when the vice president talked about the fact that she was a gun owner and said if you break into my house, i'm going to shoot you or you're going to get shot, that really i think was a moment where the vice president said, you know, my staff might have not wanted me to say that, but they'll have to deal with

it. a window into the fact that the vice president was being herself and was embracing the idea that she was a gun owner. i think that's something a lot of people didn't know. she talks about it. said she owns a handgun. what's interesting it she's been clear that she is not against the second amendment, tim walz is also a gun owner, but she want to have common sense gun reform, that means banning assault weapons and ar-15-style weapons that we've seen in shootings. i thought it was interesting apart from the gun moment that people are reacting to, there's the idea that the end -- and you pointed this out when we were just messaging right before this -- you pointed out that at the end when oprah was sort of giving her closing thesis and sort of really making a call out to independents and undecided voters, the people that the vice president really, really needs, that the vice president was standing in the background and oprah was having a moment. i thought that was interesting because it tells you that there is a power for surrogates, a surrogate like oprah can really make a difference if they know what they're talking about and

are really good at delivering that message. >> she is one in a million. rev, i want to play some of what vice president harris had to say last night about immigration. >> i take very seriously the importance of having a secure border and ensuring the safety of the american people. sadly where we are now can be traced most recently back to the fact that when the united states congress, members of congress including some of the most conservative republicans, came up with a border security bill, and here's what that border security bill would have done -- it would have put 1,500 more border agents at the border. those border agents are working around the clock. donald trump called up those folks and said, don't put that bill on the floor for a vote. he blocked that bill because

he'd -- he'd prefer to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem. [ applause ] >> i thought her comment were even more powerful where she talks about that, donald trump's role in the chaos that he likes to complain about, but also the fact that there's a way to do this. there's a way to have common sense solutions on our broken immigration system. that's not conversation, though, that he want to have. he just wants to point fingers. >> not only not a conversation he does not want to have, he actually stopped the results of a conversation that very conservative republicans and democrats had agreed on. this was not something that was rammed down people's throats on the republican side by senator schumer or by the leader, hakeem jeffries, this was something they worked on, came together, and republicans had committed to vote for enough to pass it. he got on the phone, he being donald trump, and called people and said don't vote for that, it

will be bad for my election. and literally some withdrew their votes, their commitments. that's how much he doesn't want to see this problem solved that vice president harris and president biden had worked and was taking flack from some of us because some of us felt that the bill was too leaning toward the republican side. he wouldn't even do that. >> mini, something stuck out to me about what vice president harris said at the event she had. she talked about how donald trump and republicans led us to the moment that we find ourselves in where mothers are losing their lives because they're not granted access to care. but she then made a pivot and talked about where donald trump and republicans want to take us next in the form of project 2025. and i thought that was very smart because voters, voters largely understand what donald trump has done. there is the next step, though, of what it is donald trump intends to do if he were to come

to power again. >> yeah. i have organizers on the ground in georgia, and we've had this conversation a lot. voters like, okay, he did that, republicans did that, aren't they done with it? is this still a priority for donald trump? and the gop and the senate and the house? are they really going to continue to push? and we have a little bit of a believability gap around a national abortion ban. pivoting to project 2025 and really getting into the specifics was, as you've said, she does so eloquently, the empathy and the pivot to policy. it's so important. we can't just make sure folks understand trump did it. we have to make sure they know what he plans to do next and what she will do to fix it. she also talks about how when congress sends her a bill to restore a federal right to abortion she will sign it. so that's also important as we look at the down ballot races in these critical states that she's visiting including places like wisconsin where she's going next, where we absolutely must

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a poll came out. i'm at 40%. it's only because of the democrat hold or curse on you, you can't let this happen. 40% is not acceptable because we have an election to win. in my opinion, the jewish people would have a lot to do with the loss if i'm at 40%. if i'm at -- think of it. >> trump trying to lay blame at the feet of american jews if he were to lose this election. trump was speaking last night at a campaign event where he also promised to, quote, be the best friend jewish americans have ever had in the white house if elected to a second term. surprising promise coming from donald trump given that some of his closest allies have made anti-semitic comments. many of whom have had their profiles in politics raised thanks to trump himself like his dear friend, marjorie taylor greene, who stoked the conspiracy theory that jews were starting forest fires with space lasers and compared mask

mandates to the holocaust. mar-a-lago dining companion nick fuentes and kanye west, threatening to go defcon three. he said he did not see jews as part of western civilization. the man trump referred to as one of the hottest politicians, north carolina lieutenant governor mark robinson who we learned yesterday referred to himself as a, quote, black nazi. joining our conversation, co-founder and executive director of protect democracy, ian bassett is here. rev is also back with us. ian, your thoughts on what we heard from the ex-president? >> well, unfortunately he puts us constantly in this bind because it is necessary and imperative that we call out this hateful rhetoric when it is raised. good on us for doing that here. at the same time, we have to understand that he also wants us talking about this. you have to understand why he's doing this. why is he engaging in

anti-semitic behavior? why is he creating xenophobic fear mongering against immigrants to this country? why does he engage all the racist behavior he engages in? because it's an old tried and true tactic of divide and conquer. you see this by authoritarians around the world, whether it's victor orban railing against immigrants in eastern europe, whether it is bolsonaro with his behavior in brazil. whether it is modi rallying against muslims in india or donald trump rallying against all three here in the united states, it's the oldest trick in the book. if you can pit people against each other on the basis of race or religion or sexual orientation or gender identity, it's easier to pick their pockets of money and power. and that's exactly the play that trump is playing here. >> ian, trump also said that he would ban people from, quote/unquote, infested countries from coming to america. again, something we've heard

from global authoritarians. >> we've heard it from the most villainous, evil leaders and dictators in history. i mean, it's been said over and over again accurately that this is the language of people like adolf hitler. but again, it is being used here in order to distract us from the agenda that the project 2025 agenda that he's put forward that, again, would reward a lot of his billionaire friends with corporate tax breaks and actions that would gut the social safety net that would enact so many policies that are wildly unpopular among the american people and would fundamentally deprive us of our freedoms to make decisions in our own lives for our own future. the more he's got us talking about all of this, the less we're talking about project 2025 and that, you know. this is a history that's not just from authoritarians around the world, it's a history here in the united states. you know, during the labor movements of the late -- early

20th centuries, those managers and corporations, andrew carnegie and the homestead steel strike, the railway workers strike, the pohlman strike, these pit workers, white workers, against immigrant workers, against black workers, in the hopes that if they could pit those workers against each other then the workers would be unable to unite more effectively and demand better wages, better pay, safer working conditions. it was effective early in the 20th century. i think one hopeful thing today is the unions have caught on to this. workers have caught on to this. that's why you have so many unions that favor kamala harris over donald trump. even know the president of the national teamsters could use a brush-up on history. what we've seen the last couple of days is that the teamsters locals in nevada, in michigan, in pennsylvania, today in pennsylvania and wisconsin, have all come out against donald trump because they understand this tactic. and i think he thinks we're dumber than we are.

>> rev, the second gentleman tweeted this last night, i want your response, last night donald trump once again fanned the flames of anti-semitism by trafficking in tropes blaming and scapegoating jews. he did it at an event purporting to fight anti-semitism no less. this is dangerous and must be condemned. we will not be intimidated and will continue to live openly, proudly, and without fear as jews. >> i think the fact that he, being donald trump, with no shame would use this kind of language that clearly is anti-semitic at a gathering around anti-semitism. and if people -- you know sometimes i think he is so bizarre that people don't realize the impact of when he's saying. let's imagine if barack obama had went in front of a jewish audience and said if i lose it's the jews' fault. or if kamala harris said it now. or if joe biden had said it -- i

mean, there would be editorials saying get out the race, literally that's what he said last night. and i think to normalize that, for him to be sitting around dining with people like fuentes and having people that he endorses to be governor of north carolina who have said the holocaust was hogwash -- this is right now. he's saying this guy should be the governor of north carolina, he stood with him, and he compared him to martin luther king. said he's martin luther king 2.0. if any of -- that made barack obama have to deal with his relationship with his pastor who hadn't said any of that kind of stuff about a race. so where do we wake up and realize this is not a reality show, this is reality, this man is off the walls and dangerous. >> and to tie the dots together between what you are saying and ian, this is a piece from charlie sykes in "politico" in 2022. he writes, for most americans including republicans, the

resurgence of hatred against jewish people is the return of an ancient evil. but donald trump apparently sees it very differently. he sees it as a constituency. >> he sees it as a constituency that he will feed and he will make them feel comfortable in their racism. which is why he can say haitians are eating people's pets and puts everybody, haitian and black in springfield, at risk. because he's made people -- it's all right to say that out loud. to say they're finding people on both sides marching through charlottesville, virginia, who -- people were there to take down a confederate statue of a man who fought to keep my people enslaved, and members of the jewish community march, and they march saying jews will not replace us. he says they will find people on both sides. he meant that. we're going to make this fine for you to be anti-semitic, fine

to be racist. i think people ought not be fine for thinking they can vote for him and not support those views that are very public. these are not nuanced views. he's saying them out loud with a bullhorn. >> ian, i take your point that he talks about a lot of things in order to distract us and then we end up in this position where we have to condemn the things that have been said, we have to make sure we reckon with it, given that it is going on. but to your point, this is also part of the playbook. he is running the playbook, he knows what it looks like. he's got a lot of strong men all around who he can look to for that playbook. what then is the antidote to that playbook? what are we, the american people, supposed to do in response? >> you know, flash back to 1984, the mayoral race in chicago that elected the first black mayor of chicago, harold washington. during that race there was vicious racism directed at a candidate, at washington, and in the closing days of that race the washington campaign made an interesting strategic choice.

it decided to run television ads highlighting the ugliest, nastiest racism that was seen among some constituencies in chicago against washington. the decision to do that was a message to white chicagoans to say to them do you want to associate yourself with this ugliness? is this really who you are? and it was that final ad that helped i think probably put washington over the top where a breakaway group of white chicagoans saw it and said we don't want to be part of that, and joined the natural constituency that washington had built up over the course of the campaign. i think that's the antidote here. you know, it's people who look like me, it's white men in this country looking at the vile anti-semitism and racism and misogyny and xenophobia that is a beating heart of the trump-vance campaign and saying i don't want to be associated with that. that's not who i am. that's the antidote. >> ian, rev, they are both

sticking with me. up next, the republican governor of ohio rightly rebutting the lies about a town in his state thrown into the national spotlight. what does it say about the party when even he can't point the finger about where those springfield lies came from? that's next. d lies came from that's next. you've got a pepto predicament, ace. you overdid it on the loaded fries and now your gut is in the gutter. undo it with pepto fast melts. so you can keep on rolling. [bowling pins knocked down] when you overdo it, undo it with pepto bismol. bombas makes absurdly comfortable underwear.

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springfield, ohio's, legal, legal haitian immigrants. what governor mike dewine calls verbal attacks and, quote, rhetoric that hurts the city and its people and those who have spent their lives there. but here's what he said yesterday about his own inexplicable continued support for trump. watch. >> is there any circumstance under which you would say i'm a republican, but i think i'm going to -- i can't endorse this ticket? >> well, i -- the answer is no. i'm a republican. i've said for some time, long before the convention, long before the primaries, that i would support the republican nominee for president. >> rev, he has raised up a lie to the national stage that is resulting in bomb threats to schools, and yet that's not the line apparently. >> no, and bomb threats to schools, kids afraid to go and play on the front lawn, and you

don't know what nut feels they would be doing the right thing to avenge people that have been victimized by their pets being eaten by people that never happened and was never even close to happening. i don't know how dewine could still endorse that ticket. i don't know how anyone can say out of one side of their mouth this is a lie, this is not happening in my state, but the other state is i'm committed to the party because i made some commitment months ago. i mean, that is ridiculous. and if that's the case, then everybody would say i'm just a party, a cult follower, and i don't have the moral backbone to stand up for what's true. this man has made his state a focal point of some of the most vicious, race-based lies we've seen in these times. and for him to say he would still have to support hip

because he's the nominee is scary. >> particularly vile given that the actual story of what has happened in that town is that haitian immigrants have actually revived that town, could have been out there talking about that, ian, but he is not. here's what dewine is writing, as a supporter of former president donald trump and senator j.d. vance, i am saddened how they and others continue to repeat claims that lack evidence and disparage the legal migrants living in springfield. yet vance responding saying, thanks for your support, saying, quote, we're not going to always agree on every issue. that's not what this is. this isn't a disagreement. >> i mean, the clip that you played of dewine answering that question, and i think every reporter should ask him that question everywhere he goes for the next eight weeks. he started by saying, look, i'm a republican. so let me correct the governor here. perhaps he forgot, he's an american, and that's the answer he was looking for.

and the problem here is that he and too many in his party cult at this point have forgotten that they are americans before they are republicans. and we can criticize dewine all we want, and we should, and he deserves every inch of it for his shameful behavior and being unwilling to denounce the dangerous rhetoric coming from the ticket and abandon the ticket. but i think what we really need to do here is realize that as the reverend said, how scary it is, the lengths that someone even like mike dewine would go to to back donald trump in what he's trying to do. for those still thinking that if donald trump returned to power somehow the system would hold, somehow it that if donald trump returned to power, somehow the system would hold, somehow it would be okay, somehow he would be constrained from his worst impulses because people like, i don't know, mike

dewine, might stop him, we now have our answer. >> rev, there's something i want to articulate and i'm having trouble articulating, which is for a long time, through the debate, donald trump has been using immigration as a wedge issue with latinos in the country who are here illegally and black americans who are citizens of this country. to me, the attack on haitians is a reminder that that form of racism then extends to all of us. it's not actually about legality or status in this country. it's about racism pure and simple. >> it has nothing to do, donald trump's position, has nothing to do with immigration or the border. it's race. he has decided that he was going to use race as his way of trying to enter into american politics. let's not forget, he was cited with his father in the '70s for not letting blacks rent apartments in their middle-class housing complexes they owned. telling people, put c, the

application receivers, put c on the application so that we know they're colored. this is the justice department cited them. and then he takes out ads calling for the death penalty for five young black and brown men that were wrongly accused of raping and beating a white woman in central park, and an egregious act, go all the way to birtherism, barack obama, that's how he entered politics. that's the only tune he knows. for people to submit to that is to cosign racism. >> i really miss you at 5:59 every day during that handoff. thank you so much for sitting here and being with me. ian, always, thank you. up next, a new interview with first lady jill biden on her husband's decision to drop out of the race. and the deep political divisions that still remain.

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thanks as well to, i think, one of the hottest politicians in the united states of america. and he's become a friend of mine, lieutenant governor mark robinson. this is martin luther king on steroids. okay. now, i told that -- i told that -- i told that to mark. i said, i think you're better than martin luther king. i think you are martin luther king times two. >> i said to this man, when he endorsed me, he gave a speech. i said, you are dr. martin

luther king on steroids. that's how good you are. you are unbelievable. as a speaker. he got up and he's doing fantastically well in north carolina, and i think he's going to be the next governor of north carolina. mark robinson. >> hi, again. it's 5:00 now in new york. i'm alicia menendez in for nicolle wallace. that sound you hear, it is just the low rumble of an entire political apparatus acting with new purpose. their mission, to get you to see the video we just watched over and over and over again. as we speak, democrats are mustering their messaging might to make a cession in voters' minds, to link donald trump and mark robinson, his choice for north carolina governor. now, we won't belabor the specifics of the salacious accusations against robinson this afternoon other to say a cnn report detailed a number of racist and sexually explicit

messages posted on a porn site years before he entered politics. one post attributed to robinson from 2010 is a declaration, quote, i'm a black nazi. another post, quote, slavery is not bad. and then there's the story attributing to robinson, which recounts peeping on naked women when he was a teenager. nbc news has not verified the authenticity of these messages. cnn's reporting suggests the user name traces back to other similar ones across a number of platforms and certain posts contain details that matched up with robinson's personal life. for his part, robinson and his team are denying any of these posts came from him and he never created or used such an account. here's robinson's response. >> let me reassure you the things that you will see in that story, those are not the words of mark robinson. you know my words. you know my character. and you know that i have been completely transparent in this race and before. clarence thomas famously once

said he was the victim of high-tech lynching. well, it looks like mark robinson is too, by a man who refuses to stand on stage and debate me about the issues. instead, they want to focus on salacious tabloid lies. we're not going to let them do that. we're staying in this race. we're in it to win it. >> we do know his words, and we will get to that in just a second, but a spokesperson for north carolina's board of elections confirmed to nbc news this afternoon the deadline for robinson to submit a written request to withdraw from this race has now passed. lieutenant governor submitted no such paperwork so this race as it stands is on. the north carolina republican party, they are standing by robinson. the trump campaign, they are too. at least to some degree, suggesting north carolina is a vital part of the campaign without ever mentioning robinson's name. as we mentioned, democrats are trying to make that connection in voters' minds. fewer than 24 hours after the

story broke, the dnc plans to launch an ad blitz across north carolina. and the harris/walz campaign released a brand-new video of their own this afternoon. take a look. >> and he's been an unbelievable lieutenant governor, mark robinson. >> for me, there's no compromise on abortion. >> i think you're better than martin luther king. >> we can pass a bill saying you can't have an abortion in north carolina in any reason. >> abortion is about killing a child because you aren't responsible enough to keep your skirt down. >> i have been with him a lot. i've gotten to know him and he's outstanding. >> donald trump and mark robinson, they're both wrong for north carolina. >> i'm kamala harris and i aprieve this message. >> worth underscoring, that ad highlighted comments made by robinson in public. remember, robinson's name will be right there with donald trump's on the ballot in north carolina this election day. and given just how essential that state is for both campaigns, any change to the

status quo could tip the scales in that state and by extension, the race for president. and that is where we start this hour with nbc news correspondent antonia hylton for us in raleigh, north carolina. antonia, the robinson campaign, the trump campaign, they seem to think they can hold on tight, let this all pass. can they? >> reporter: well, that's the central question right now. and as you mentioned a moment ago, the robinson campaign, because they missed that 11:59 deadline, in a way, that's their statement. they're in this. there is no change to be made at this point. we saw the north carolina gop release a statement saying that they're essentially standing by their man. the trump campaign, though, is a whole different ball game because they're trying to walk this tightrope right now. we just got new nbc news reporting, our colleague dasha burns has been talking to people all afternoon. and what they have found is that there are allies both here locally in the north carolina

delegation and in the trump campaign who are pushing that campaign to actually rescind the endorsement and rethink that relationship here. however, at least at this point, trump has not wanted to do so. he certainly hasn't taken that step yet. but he's going to be here campaigning tomorrow. and what we do know is robinson is not going to be on that stage. there's this sort of effort to not really comment on the contents of what has been said, but so still maintain some of that relationship, but try to avoid allowing robinson and the scandal to potentially drag down the entire republican ticket. that's what democrats are hoping is about to happen and it's what republicans are going to try to avoid. >> that is a delicate two-step for even the most seasoned answer. so we'll see just how that goes. antonia, it strikes me there was a press conference earlier this afternoon. north carolina's current governor roy cooper, he's a democrat. he made the case that a lot of robinson's most radical comments were made right out in public, just fill in some of that

background for us. >> reporter: yeah, i mean, you know, when you talk to some of the voters and political operatives here, i was here in 2022 covering the midterms. people talked about mark robinson back then, too. there is a long history of comments here. one of the ones i have heard from voters that's come up time and time again is a time in which he referenced the holocaust and seemed to suggest that it was hogwash, that he was casting doubt on facts, realities of the violence of how jewish people were treated by nazis. for those voters who i spoke to today, that therefore makes it not so hard for them to leap to the conclusion that perhaps he would have commented something similar in online forums as cnn has reported. then i have spoken to some republican voters, though, who say these are all allegations. you know, that they don't really know what is true, what is not true. and so they plan still to vote for him. what's interesting about this state, though, it has one of the highest numbers of independent voters.

and moderates. people who do split ticket voting or change their party cycle after cycle. so robinson really has the potential to turn those people off. they are the kind of voters who are consistently trying to get the rhetoric turned down in this country. they don't like comments like that. they're not comfortable with the anti-semitic and anti-islamic things he has said on the record or online in the past or possibly in the social media posts found by cnn. those are voters that may be turned off and that the harris campaign is going to aggressively go after as they try to chart their path to victory in a state that over the last 11 cycles i think has only gone for a democrat once. >> antonia hylton live for us in raleigh, north carolina. thank you for your reporting. let's bring into our conversation former rnc spokesman tim miller plus professor at princeton university, eddie glaude, and here at the table, professor at columbia, university, basil

smikle. when this is all over, whenever this is all over, we're going to do a supercut of me saying to you, have we found the bottom? is this the new low? is this it? i don't know where the bottom is anymore. that they saw everything he said in public, they didn't walk away from him. there's now this reporting and he's still their guy. >> it's hard to get lower than sticking with your man when he says he's pro-slavery on a porn message board, but that is where we are. and this, i think, we can talk about this race and mark robinson specifically in a second, but i do think this is just such a damning example of just the rot of the republican party, and what the republican voters are looking for. i mean, if you set up a system where you're saying, i want you to apply for a job. i want you to apply to be the republican nominee for governor or senate or president. and what we're looking for on your resume is how willing are

you to suck up to a con man and a liar in donald trump? how shameful will you be in sucking up to this person? and the second thing we're looking for is how mean and cruel will you be to liberals and marginalized people. that's all we're looking for. we're looking for people who will suck up to a con man and be mean to liberals. the types of people who are going to submit their resume are mark robinson. and herschel walker, and kari lake, you're going to get sociopaths that apply. like, if you're no longer looking for people that, you know, ran a business or served in the military or served their community, the types of things we used to look for in public servants that the democrats still look for, if you're looking for who can suck up to trump and be mean to democrats, you're going to get people like mark robinson who apparently spent like most of his adult life either on a message board on a porn site posting racist

and gross stuff, or inside a porn store eating a pizza in the back room where apparently he was five nights a week at time. it's hard to find out how he found time to go to the banks or didn't. this is the type of person you wouldn't hire to run a fast food restaurant. the idea that he would be governor of one of the biggest states in the country is insane. the idea he would have voters that want him to be governor is just preposterous. we got here because we're at the nine-year mark of this trump era where what the voters have incentivized are all these wrong attributes. >> and where there's been no punishment for absolute moral rot in politico, this is new from today, an email address belonging to lieutenant governor mark robinson was registered on ashley madison, a website designed for married people seeking affairs. they confirmed that the email

address in question belongs to robinson. a spokesperson for robinson said he had not made an account on ashley madison. two things i want you to speak to, eddie. one, this idea of centering a political profile on conservative family values and feeling that you can weigh in on other americans' individual liberties and the way they build their families and conduct their lives. and also the way that part of the appeal of the candidate like this for donald trump is trying to build a permission structure saying, well, i can't possibly be racist if i embrace black candidates like mark robinson. talk to me about the complexity of both issues. >> well, first of all, we have to understand, first, great to see you. and we have to understand the complexity of these sorts of appeals. there's a sense in which ideas of trying to police the morality of individual behavior, to police the nature of what a

family should look like, always runs up against the actual practices themselves, the actual lives being lived. we have too many examples of how the tension between the life lives and the so-called political trafficking in policing the moral values of people collide. example upon example of how that hypocrisy evidences itself. in terms of the second point, if i understand it correctly, it's really something that we have to interrogate. i'm not trying to suggest there aren't black conservatives. i'm not trying to suggest there aren't black reasonable conservatives. my dear friend, your cohost, michael steele, is an example. there's a sense in which these folk who are crazy in some ways, mark robinson, i'm thinking about before donald trump and mark robinson, there was e.w. jackson in virginia. who was running for lieutenant -- he was just as crazy, and his issue was around

same-sex marriage. you think about allen west, jesse lee peterson. part has to do with trafficking in this caricatured version of what a black person ought to believe and this caricatured version of black conservatives and how that's supposed to appeal to this, shall we say, mindless black public who simply follows race and not paying attention to positions. it reveals how deeply problematic the politics actually are. >> you know, let me talk a little bit electorally for a second. he was underperforming trump. this is a great opportunity for democrats to be able to get josh stein elected governor in the state. the fact that the harris campaign has the kind of money that it has, the beauty of it is it can punch back in situations like this all over the country. go deeper into some of these swing states than even the biden campaign could have done earlier. so the benefit for the harris campaign is that she can be

competitive in areas and at times that she never was before. that is the force of all the black people that mark robinson says should perhaps return to slavery. right? when you talk about black jobs, the black job is voting and getting kamala harris elected president of the united states. and to pivot off eddie's point, one of the things that's really striking to me is how often the gop weaponizes black people against black people. right? using the kind of language that they're using, robinson stood on a church pulpit and said some people should be killed -- >> deserve killing. >> deserve killing. how does the gop find these people? i have a qualm obviously, i have issues with the people that they chose to get up and make these comments. but just think about where the gop is that goes out and finds these people and then what happens to them after the fact. where do they go? where is herschel walker today?

they use them, they spit them out, but they're there for a purpose. this is not republicanism, this is not conservatism, this is weaponizing black folk against their own community because to eddie's point and tim made reference to this, it's throwing up every stereotype that they can find. it's throwing up every horrible caricature they can find, and expect that millions of voters are going to follow through, and you know why i know that it's working? because the race is still tight. if it weren't so tight, if it weren't working, the race wouldn't be so tight. the fact it is still so tight means that it works. and that's why it's good for the harris campaign to have the kind of resources that it has to go out and push back on this everywhere it can. >> tim, i have less than a minute left, but if the harris campaign is able to solidly put north carolina in their column, how does that then change the contours of this race? >> it's critical. and north carolina is winnable. north carolina was actually closer than michigan last time. people talk about michigan as a

pickup for trump, but north carolina is in play. if harris does not win pennsylvania and she's had good polls there this week, but you know, it's very tight, particularly in pennsylvania, you could replace the pennsylvania electoral votes with north carolina plus nevada. or north carolina plus arizona, or north carolina plus georgia. so just by getting two of those four, if north carolina is one of them. it's a critical option for her as you're looking at the electoral math and i think it's a very winnable one and i think that the democrats believe it as evidenced by the fact they're up on tv there and they should be. >> tim miller, eddie glaude, thank you both for starting us off. ahead for us, we're 46 days until election day, but already in-person voting is under way in three states, while in one key battleground, a trump aligned state election board is trying to put up last-minute road blocks to voting. those stories are next. >> plus, we'll be joined by amanda zurauvsky, the lead plaintiff against texas' strict

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in-person voting began in minnesota, south dakota, and virginia today. local election workers have long been preparing for this very moment, beefing up security measures to insure the safety of poll workers, voters, and the election itself. joining us, ryan nobles in virginia, where early voting is now under way. tell us about the turnout, what you're seeing? >> reporter: yeah, i think it's important to point out to your viewers that election day is here. as you rightly point out, three states have begun the process of early in-person voting. as we get closer and closer to election day, more states are going to be added to that list. in fact, across the 50 states, there are only three states that don't allow some form of early voting or absentee ballots, mail-in ballots for voters to get that opportunity to cast their ballot long before election day. that means across the country, roughly half of americans will vote before election day. we already saw a great deal of enthusiasm here in virginia today. we went to two different polling

locations. this one here behind me in manassas in prince william county which is a key bellwether county votes republican and democrat. we saw long lines from the moment we got here around 10:00 this morning and we also spent time in fairfax county, virginia, the biggest county in the commonwealth, also a heavily blue county and their numbers were through the roof. we got updated numbers from their county election board. they said nearly 4,000 people voted in person today, taking advantage of that early voting. 45 days before election day, to put that into context, alicia, that's three times the number of people that voted in person on day one back in 2020. now, of course, it's not a perfect comparison because that was during the 2020 pandemic. but at that time, they were encouraging people to come out and vote to spread things out over that period of time. so they expected big numbers in 2020. they have now tripled those numbers. so there's a lot to read into this. i don't think it probably tells

us anything about who is going to win or lose this election, but it tells us a degree about the level of enthusiasm and the anticipation people have about participating in this election. and then one other thing i would point out about this is traditionally, it's been democrats that have focused a lot of energy at turning out their vote early. they generally bank a good portion of their vote prior to election day. and republicans have ceded that ground. they have gone out and criticized and hammered early voting. donald trump called it ridiculous just this past july. we're seeing a much different tone from republicans this time around, particularly in virginia where the sitting governor, glenn youngkin, a republican, won in part by pushing early and absentee voting. they are now sending a message, don't wait until election day. we ran into several republicans today who said they don't like this. they don't trust it, but they still came early because that's what the leaders of their party were encouraging them to do. here in manassas and prince william county, they have gone about an aggressive marketing

campaign to talk to their voters, to explain to them how this process works. they want to be as transparent as possible. their election board telling us they even had town halls where voters who were skeptical could come in and see the process from start to finish. some were skeptical when they came into the town halls. they leftelievinghis is a system they can trust. >> nbc's ryan nobles live for us in virginia, where early in-person voting has started. election day, it is here. ryan, thank you. weturn to georgia where the pro-trump state election board is voting today on 11 last-minute changes to make voting harder and bring more uncertainty to the election. this morning it passed a controversial new rule that will require counties in the key battleground state to hand count all ballots. which "the washington post" reports dozens of election officials said would be physically impossible in all but the smallest counties and could upend the november election by delaying reporting of results by

weeks if not months. it is something stacey abrams warned specifically would happen. here she was at an msnbc event last month. >> if you can slow the process down, if you can undermine the legitimacy of the process, if you can foment and sow dissent and sow concern, you can delay the process enough that you can then claim conspiracy, and then claim malfeasance and that's the plan they have. it's an incredibly well funded plan playing out right now across the battleground states. >> joining our conversation, lisa rubin. basil is also back with us. what are they doing in. >> they're trying to delay certification of the votes in whatever way they can. this is really the third major rule that this georgia election board has passed. the first two are already subject to litigation and a trial that will happen on october 1st. one allows county board members do what's called a reasonable

inquiry prior to their certification obligations. but it doesn't say what a reasonable inquiry is. the second of those rules permits county board members demand any and all election related documentation, again, prior to certifying county level results. here today, you have sort of the third straw and the one that broke the camel's back, requiring a hand count at the precinct level of all votes. and that's where you saw county election workers show up today en masse and say this is unacceptable. i'm thinking about a woman named tate from cobb county where she's the director of elections. saying look, i have ballots out already to service members. i sent 1,000 out to them yesterday. and i can't count that many ballots by hand. maybe you have places with like a couple thousand votes at issue that could do it, but if my certification deadline by statute is november 12th, how

are we supposed to do this? there's a state representative who also showed up during the comment period, and she said what i thought was really interesting. what are we doing here? she said i think what's happening is we're setting counties up to fail. how do i know that we're setting counties up to fail? because they're telling you. they showed up today. these county administrators, not the board members themselves, but the people who day in and day out process election results are telling you this is undoable, this is too expensive. you are dooming us to fail. and nonetheless, those three members of the georgia election board praised by former president trump as pitbulls went ahead and approved it anyway. >> i think what the minnesota secretary of state said. two things i want, high turnout, low drama. sound like something i say to my daughters in the morning. already, there's drama in georgia by design. >> by design, and you're right in the analysis. to stacey abrams' point, you delay the process. what you're doing is setting up

a situation where the trump campaign, the gop, is going to start taking people to court. and they're going to likely hit a republican judge when they get to judge, maybe, and that's the plan. there are 100-plus lawsuits across the country trying to find their way through the system to set up these county organizations and these county boards of election and state boards of election to fail. i started my career going to polling sites, being a poll watcher with a roll of quarters and had to call pay phones, that's the quarters, and call the campaign every 30 minutes to tell them what was going on. wait until the end of election night to watch them break open the machine, again, before electronic machines. i'm getting old, getting up there. break open the machine, and watch the campaigns and the board of elections count and look at the results. give that to a police officer to take to the precinct. what i'm concerned about here, to your point, is that this hand

counting, which is supposed to be -- which is supposed to supplement the electronic -- >> it sounds bespoke, but it's not. >> it's a hand count, it's destined to fail. it is destined to create problems that they know will occur in this process because the history is there that folks are going to get taken to court. i remember 2000. i remember those hanging chads. i remember the debates around is that a vote, is that not a vote? did this person really mean to do this? nobody wants to go through that again. we actually tried to solve that problem with the help america vote act. how is this not in violation of that? how is making it more difficult not in violation of this thing that was supposed to make voting easier for the entire country? they're doing this to set people up to fail, to be able to intimidate election workers and god bless ruby freeman, there will be a lot more ruby freemans with this. >> have 30 seconds left.

your final thoughts. >> one of the things i'm thinking about is that exactly what basil said about how is this not against the law? because if anything, the law incentivizes these last-minute changes. the supreme court case in 2006, essentially says federal court should desist from interfering with election law in the period very close in time to an election. what does that mean for courts if they get sued by people who think what the georgia election board is doing what is wrong, in a federal court, the federal court is going to say my hands are tied by the supreme court, there's nothing i can do because the supreme court has said federal court should stay out of it. that incentivizes people to wait until the last minute to place nefarious rules like this. >> when we return, one of the leading voices speaking out against the strict abortion bans across the country. amanda zuwarsky is campaigning

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and these hypocrites want to start talking about this is in the best interest of women and children. where where have you been? where have you been? when it comes to taking care of the women and children of america? where have you been? how dare they.

how dare they. come on. >> vice president kamala harris this afternoon on the devastating reality that women are dying preventable deaths because of trump's abortion bans. earlier this week, propublica published the stories of two women, amber and candy, who died due to the abortion bans in their home state of georgia. propublica notes their reporting makes clear for the first time that in the wake of bans women are losing their lives in ways that experts have deemed preventable. to be clear, this could be just the beginning. more and more states, they're implementing laws that would make it intentionally difficult to provide abortion care to women in medical crises. increasing the likelihood that some of those women will die. like in louisiana, where according to "the washington post," quote, staff in some hospitals are doing timed drills, sprinting from patient rooms and through halls to the

locked medicine closets where the drugs used for abortions, miscarriages and postpartum hemorrhages will have to be kept as newly categorized substances. joining us now, amanda zurawski, joining us from pittsburgh where she's taking part in the fighting for freedom bus tour. there are a lot of women who hear your story and think, that could have been me. they read amber's story, they hear from her mom and sister, and think that could have been me. i have to even imagine for you, when you hear amber' story, you know that it is the tiniest difference, the tiniest difference of time and access that made it possible for you to live while she died. >> that's exactly right. i called my mom immediately

after hearing this news, and you know, just cried about what had happened. she said to me, you know, i'm two years removed at this point so i processed through it. but this really hit home for me, and my mom said to me, amanda, you were within a whisker of death. i mean, this was me, this was my story. hearing about it, i haven't been able to talk about these women without crying yet. i'm going to try my best to hold it together for you, but it really has gutted me. it's gut wrenching. it's despicable and it was entirely preventable. i'm heartbroken for these women and their families. >> i think we all are heartbroken for these women and their families. then you hear about the fact that there are states where you now have teams of doctors and nurses doing drills like they are in an elementary school gym class where they're trying to access medicine that is going to

determine whether or not they can administer life-saving support. the thing is, it doesn't have to be like this. this is preventable. and as the vice president said, this was predictable. we knew this is what was going to happen once these bans were put into place. >> that's exactly right. we know that lawmakers and politicians were warned that this is what would happen if they supported these policies, if they passed these bills and enabled these bans to take effect. and yet they did it anyway. so now, my question to them is, what are they going to do now? because now the proof is in the pudding. we have people dying. and we know that these cases are not the only ones. we know that these cases exist. what are they going to do to fix it? are they okay with literally having blood on their hands because that is what's happening in this country. >> amanda, hadley, woo was with you and your husband at the dnc is featured in a new ad for the

harris campaign. >> i never slept a full night my entire life. i was 5 years old when high stepfather abused me for the first time. i just felt like i was alone on a planet with a monster. i was 12 when he impregnated me. i just remember thinking, i have to get out of my skin. i can't be me right now. like, this can't be it. i didn't know what to do. i was a child. i didn't know what it meant to be pregnant at all. but i had options. because donald trump overturned roe v. wade, girls and women all over the country have lost the right to choose. even for rape or incest. donald trump did this. he took away our freedom. >> hadley duval was a child. amber thurman was the mother of

a child. and she is no longer with us. do you have a sense when you were out there on the trail talking to voters which of these stories, how these stories are actually breaking through to the people who need to hear them? >> yes, i think they all are. i am so proud of hadley, as you mentioned, i had the opportunity to meet her at the dnc convention, and i'm just so proud of her for her bravery, for speaking up, for talking about this horrific thing that happened to her. and i feel the same way about everyone i meet who is sharing their stories. whether it's on a national stage, in an ad, or just at home in their own communities or in their own homes. these stories, like i said, they exist. and the more we talk about them and give light to them, i think they are absolutely breaking through. and i think we have to continue talking about them from now through november. you know, my friends and family have texted me a lot about hadley's ad and they said this

is really hitting for me. this is gut wrenching. it's making me sick to my stomach. these are visceral reactions people are having to these stories and every single american should know these stories because they will have a visceral reaction and that's what's going to really move the needle and break through. >> amanda zurawski, i look forward to the day when you and i do not have to sit here and you have to revisit a very painful period in your own life. i am incredibly impressed and grateful that you continue to march forward and come on programs like this and talk about what is at stake in this election. so thank you so much as always for taking the time to be with us. when we -- >> thanks for having me. when we return, a stunning in depth look at the plot to overturn the 2020 election. and what officials went through in the days and weeks following. you think you have heard it all. you have not. that is next.

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all their friends, followers, as it turns out, federal prosecutors to see. they were also fed lies from donald trump and his republican allies. all of whom knew better. a new documentary out this week focuses on the pressure put on state election officials to overturn the 2020 election results, what they experienced in the days and weeks after the 2020 election. it's called "stopping the steal." here's a clip. >> they said there's 24,02 nonregistered voters. >> at least 2,423 individuals to vote who were not listed as registered. >> there was zero. everyone was registered to vote. >> 10,315 or more individuals to vote who were deceased by the time of the election. >> they said there's 10,000 dead people that voted. at the time we began our investigations, we found two. subsequent to that, two years later, we found two more. that's a total of four.

one, two, three, four. not 4,000, just 4. >> joining us now, director of the new documentary stopping the steal, the inside story of 2020. dan reed is here. dan, this is one of those stories i think people think they have seen it all, heard it all. what surprised you the most? >> what surprised me was how consistent the efforts were to on the one hand really ignite the base to believe that the election had been stolen and on the other hand to directly communicate president trump made direct phone calls to many, many officials, election officials at state and county level. and it was a really sustained effort. and rudy giuliani toured the states. this was not a series of kind of events. it was a plan, and january 6th was just kind of the culmination of all this. and my documentary on hbo, on max, traces the whole thing. it puts the whole thing together. that's why i think it's quite

satisfying to watch, because it really tells you the whole story from beginning to end, and it's told through trump supporters. it's told by republicans who wanted trump to win, who love trump, but who put their country before their political interests. >> talk to me, though, specifically about the lead-up to january 6th, because sometimes people talk about january 6th as though it was just one day, when in reality, part of what you are capturing is everything that led up to that moment. what do we need to know about what happened in the lead-up to january 6th? >> well, january 6th was just the end. so january 6th was when all the other maneuvers had failed, and president trump identified mike pence as the only person who could throw the election his way. and in order to election his wait. in order to do that, he mobilized john eastman, who told him mike pence, the vice president us was key toending the election back to congress an

the state legislatures, but wait before that, in january, you had pressures. we tell about the county board of supervisors, an extraordinary bunch of guys, loyal republicans, loved the policies, loved the judges, the tax cuts, but just drew the line when president trump and, you know, republican party officials in arizona asked them not to certify the election. there was just for proof. rusty bowers, the speaker of the arizona state will legislature, there was a wonderful bit in the documentary, where he very, very entertainingly describes a call with trump and giuliani. they're asking him to about an obscure arizona law that would release the electors with trump's electors. he's a principled man, and he just said not. thanks to men like that who held

the line, that we didn't see much more chaos. understanding the past is prologue, what should your film tell us about what is forthcoming? >> i think what is coming, there are more options now for the election. you can have a republican win, a democrat win, or an election that's the principles are undermined, when people don't believe in the election anymore. i think that's a dangerous moment for the republic. i hope this election brings us back to the path of believing in the democracy. dan reed, thank you so much for joining us. the new hbo documentary, "stopping the steal" is out in and out. we'll sneak in a quick break. we'll be right back. d out. we'll sneak in a quick break we'll be right back. you hungry? thank you! and snap, saw, pull, load, map, send,

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