i want her to be remembered as this-- as the really positive person that she is. she's got a real lust for life. she is an honest and truthful person. she's someone that you want on your team. she's fun to be around. she's adventurous. she's happy. and that kind of oozes out of her. and you get really caught up in the sarm moment. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning and welcome to

the saturday edition of "morning joe: weekend." it was such a busy week, so let's get right to it, some of the conversations you might have missed. we've got a lot to get to this morning. many polls showing a tight presidential race in three battleground states. (pennsylvania, where the latest "new york times" siena college, philadelphia inquirer aisle of likely voters finds vice president kamala harris ahead of former president donald trump 50% to 46%. that result polls within the poll's margin of error. >> which again, the "new york times" siena poll, they usually have her it three and donald trump at 97. >> still, it is just a snapshot, and it is close. a new poll in pennsylvania finds harris leading trump 51 to 45%. in michigan, here is has a five point lead over trump. in

wisconsin, it is close. harris leads trump by just one point, 48 to 47%. meanwhile, a new marist poll has trump and harris tying in pennsylvania with harris with a five-point lead in michigan and a one point lead in wisconsin. similarly, a new aarp poll finds harris leading trump by one point among likely voters in wisconsin, 49% to 48%. among voters 50 and older, trump takes a three point lead over harris. the latest "new york times" siena college poll of likely voters next finds harrison trump tied at 47%. i found the polls to be disappointed in the past, i never know what to believe. it does give you a snapshot. i think the trend lines, what

you always say, the important thing to look at. >> and if you look at the trendlines in pennsylvania and michigan, trendlines, most of them show kamala harris doing substantially better, six, seven, eight points better than joe biden did, up three, four points, still in the margin of error. you look at the trendlines in pennsylvania and michigan, they look good for kamala harris. wisconsin is just about as tight as, dan rather might say, tight as a texas state tick on the back of a frog it. >> he is way better than that. yeah, it is stark when you look at where we were before president biden got out of the race, the trend line that we talk about seems to be slipping in a plot of states, the battleground states, and even others. edwards, kamala harris has stabilized that and invested in some of the swing states.

she has grown a bit of a lead now on donald trump. i guess the good news for democrats is, there is no celebration whatsoever inside the harris campaign. they are under no illusions they are running away with any of these skates. interesting to note in some of the crosstabs on these polls we looked at just a minute ago, on specific issues that donald trump is believed to have, and he thinks he has an advantage, the economy and immigration, even those have answered sort of margin of error territories, suggesting that kamala harris has made of ground on those two pivotal issues in this race. >> you are right, not much celebration here for them. did i connect the dots? just got to ruin the show a little bit. i will note that joe is right, it is kind of funny, all of these polls basically tell the

same thing of a very tight race with a probably small harris lead. you can imagine the collective freak out and melt down if the numbers were slightly reversed in the "new york times" siena poll and it was harris done a couple of points in pennsylvania, democrats would have a therapy bill that would be monumental, but that is not the case. it is funny, because i don't think republicans all feel the same way about that poll this morning. ultimately, it is a close race. trendlines are slightly more favorable to harris, questioning whether she had plateaued a little bit. at this point, it is fair to say that the debate gave her a small boost. yeah, i think we are looking at a race where it is one or two percentage markets margins in a number of key states that will determine the election. the good news for harris, not just that she has momentum, but that she has more money, and also a more sophisticated game, but trump has sort of outsourced all of his ground game operations to other

troops, including the elon musk super pack. there was a story this week a little underappreciated, but elon musk basically stopped contrite it contracting with a couple of those groups. another thing, on the key issue of the day, the economy, more trust for harris overtime. secondly, i know we will get to this, the fed interest rate cut. we have a recipe for a decent set of economic conditions heading into election day, which i think will benefit harris, which i think is why you saw a lot of trump people angry about it, calling it almost conspiratorial and political to do it. all things considered, a fairly good day for harris. >> i'm going to go to the mirror now. >> okay, you do it, honey. >> jonathan, now is the part i am coming to you. take the prompt, take the prompt.

anyway, this whole story about plateauing, and i just want to bring this up, psychiatrist across manhattan, they basically get a months worth of work the day after a "new york times" siena poll comes out. it is like 47-47, but they threw in the pennsylvania deal as a mood regulator for some people on the upper east side, upper west side, through. exactly, exactly. they have got to stabilize it. with that said, the only plateau there was, the "new york times" siena poll, you look at the polls out there now, a lot of the ones that could come out the last couple of days, national polls have harris up four, five, six points. these show most importantly in

the most important swing states, a significant move toward her. wisconsin, really tight. of course, wisconsin is wider, wisconsin is older here that is a state really joe biden was over performing in, because he did better with older white voters than he did with other groups that he usually underperformed on. i think that is what we are seeing in wisconsin. now, michigan, pennsylvania, if you are looking at these numbers , if you are also looking at what i still think may be a tight race in these states, the most important story, that is that joe biden and kamala harris together have been very millions, millions of dollars, building up a ground game over the past year, important, because biden is an old-time poll that says, ground game, ground game. in close races, even trump people will tell you, a good ground game is worth half a point in any state, especially when the other side is outsourcing their ground game,

because they never had the discipline to build it. this is, again, not great news for harris, but certainly not good news for donald trump. >> let's first take a beat on that ground game and remember of course that the rnc was corrupted by the trump campaign and trump family and used legal bills for sometime as opposed of working on that ground game. you are right. starting on the president biden, continued under vice president kamala harris, the democrats have a massive edge in all the battleground states in terms of office. they have seen after harris moved to the top of ticket, a surge in volunteers. i am told, they don't even have enough jobs for people that want to do them because there is such enthusiasm for her. she will have a massive financial advantage as well. she has really out fun raised trump and will have to spend less time forward doing so, more time on the campaign trail . certainly, in terms of these polls you mentioned, wisconsin,

pennsylvania as well, a state that is whiter than most of the country. the polls show some strength from white voters, and open even older voters. not quite as biden, in which the campaign will use biden in targeted fashions to speak to those demographic going forward. the race is close, but the trendlines favor harris. coming up, former secretary of state hillary clinton joins us in studio and we will discuss the state of the 2024 race, running against donald trump, and her new book. "morning joe: weekend" is coming right back. ming right b. risk of stroke. symptoms like irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, can come and go. but if you have afib, the risk of stroke is always there. if you have one or more symptoms, get checked out. making that appointment can help you get ahead of stroke risk. this is no time to wait.

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we kept our eyes on the future. well, my friends, the future is here! [ cheers and applause ] i wish my mother and kamala's mother could see us. they would say, keep going! surely! and jerry would say, keep going! >> that was former secretary of state and 2016 democratic presidential nominee, hillary clinton at last month's democratic national convention, representing referencing political trailblazers, shirley chisholm, geraldine ferrara. clinton writes about her own journey and american politics in her new book titled, "something lost, something gained, reflections on life,

love, and liberty." secretary clinton joins us now. it is great to have you on the show. congratulations on this book. >> thank you so much. it is great to be back. >> madam secretary, first of all, any book that bars a line from both sides now, that is a good book. i know already. i actually read something in the book. instead of starting on politics or foreign policy, i want to start on the book. something about it reminds me of the first time i met you and president clinton, and everybody else at the white house picnic. of course, we all ran against you, hillary is a marxist, bill is a marxist, everybody is a marxist. after the picnic, i was asked by a conservative radio show to come on and talk about how horrible you all were. what do you think about the

president? what do you think about the vice president. breathes fire! and then, what you think about hillary? i go, she is a midwest methodist. their heads all exploded. i said, you want me to tell you the truth, she is a midwest methodist. that is what i saw in talking to her. not a marxist, a midwest methodist-- and then i saw this in your book. you say, my faith has sustained me, informed me, saved me. i don't know who i would be, or where i would have ended up without it. and you know, isn't it crazy, even with all the political divide, and all the differences, that came through and for people who really know you, and i had only met you for 3 minutes, but that faith, that came through even then. >> wow, joe, that is an amazing memory. i used to love those

white house picnics and christmas parties, because at least for a couple of hours, everybody was talking to each other, having fun together, before they went back to their corners. and i write about my faith, my family, my friends, obviously my politics in this new book, because i do think we've got to start looking at people as the whole beings that we are. certainly, my faith, as i say, has been critical. it has been key to who i am, how i think about things that i believe in, and i really appreciate the old memory that you just shared. >> it's really, it has always been disconcerting to my conservative friends how much i love you from the start. we've noticed, mika and i, you

have an extraordinary, extraordinary amount of energy . we both were really taken by your take on aging, which you say borrows a lot from jane fonda. >> look, i am a big believer in get up every day, live a life of joy, purpose, reaching out, spending time with people. jane fonda looks amazing. i just saw a picture of her knocking on doors for the harris-walz campaign , just literally delighting people who came to the door, and there she was. she is an inspiration to me. i really like the idea that you just keep going. you go from strength to strength. you are not the same person you were in your 20s, 40s, 60s. you are different, but you have an attitude that is built on everything that came before,

and if you take care of yourself , and you bring some gratitude and joy into your life every day, you have all kinds of good years ahead of you. >> so, a quote from hillary clinton in this book on aging, it is prophetic. i don't feel old. and i love that because, you keep going and you do all of these different things from producing, you name it. when you were younger, when you were in your 20s, did you imagine having massive impact on the world over the age of 50, say? >> i really didn't, mika. you know, i had a very clear idea about what i wanted to do, which was largely begun when i worked for the children's defense fund to help and support children, particularly abused, neglected, children with disabilities, kids in trouble.

that was my motivation, in large measure because i think i was inspired by my mother. and i write again about her, because she is with me, literally every day. and i wanted to help people. and in the chapter on faith, i quote, the old john wesley saying, do all the good you can. that is what i was raised. that is what i learned in my home, that is what i learned in church. that is what my best teachers when i was growing up expected out of me and the other kids. it was a different time and i missed it to some extent. i miss the idea that children deserve our support, but they also need to be given a chance to do something for other people . as you know from the book, i write about how kids are now so obsessed and addicted to screens, that they are missing

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harris, this is a good thing for the party. tell me about your thinking before and after. do you think before the president made the decision to step aside that that was the right thing to do? >> i, like many people, wanted the president to make the decision that was right for him and right for the country, which he did. i have said before, it was a really selfless act of patriotism. i can't imagine the candidate on the other side giving up power under any circumstance and president biden did. and he immediately endorsed his vice president. bill and i absolutely moved quickly to endorse kamala as well. and we did it for a couple of reasons. one, i have known her for a number of years. i am a fan of hers. i think she has handled herself extremely well during the vice presidency, starting in covid, under really difficult circumstances, and it is a

tough job being vice president under any presidency, no matter what is happening in the country. and i had a lot of confidence in her sort of political touch and feel. i also thought it was better for the party and the country that we get behind president biden's endorsement of her. you know, people talked about, let's have a contested convention, let's have some sort of contest in six weeks. i think underestimated what chaos would have done to that presidential campaign, and to the prospects for the democrats. in any event, she rose to the occasion. she has run a flawless campaign ever since she got into it. we talked to her literally right after the president decided to step aside. i have been incredibly impressed , and delighted to see the country meeting her, to see how people are responding to her, and to see the joy. you know, when i was talking to

joe and mika just a minute ago, look, life is hard, politics is really brutal. it is a contact sport. to think that the other side in this campaign wants people to be afraid, filled with anger, and hatred, and trying to hurt other people is so terrible and so un-american. now, we have with kamala harris and tim walz , two happy warriors, two people who will fight for us, who will work for us, and don't want us to hate each other. they want us actually to find some common ground. >> what is your assessment of the stakes of this election? you were in a very exclusive club of people who have run for president, let alone run against donald trump. to what extent the offer counsel or speak with kamala harris about how to run against donald trump, who, as you have said, is a different candidate now, a darker candidate,

arguably, that he was in 2016. >> that is absolutely true, willie. i have talked with kim at a number of times. i have also talked to her before the debate. he is morning coherent. he is angry or. he is lashing out all the time at everybody. he is filled with grievance and rage, and in my acceptance speech at the convention way back in 2016, i said, you can't trust somebody with nuclear weapons you can bait with a tweet. i saw that in him at the time, a lot of people didn't, or they gave him the benefit or the doubt, or thought, hey, we have had two terms of a democrat, let's try the republicans, for whatever reason . i understand that. but now, the stakes are even higher because he has a record. we have seen him try to abuse power. we have seen him try to overturn a legitimate, free, fair election. we have watched

him bungle covid and cause unnecessary deaths and pain. so, he has a record, and in addition to that, he has told us what he is going to do, he is absolutely linked to this project 2025, and all of their dark, dystopian efforts to turn the clock back on americans' rights, the way we live and how we look at our futures together. and he has a long, rhetorical record now of making it very clear that he would be unaccountable if he were ever near the white house again. >> madam secretary, as you just said, there is so much at stake , and there is proof as to what is at stake. those who believe in our democracy would consider this an all hands on deck moment . military officials on both sides of the aisle, former

members of trump's administration, many republicans have stepped up, signed letters, and even said to me they are going to vote for kamala harris. who in the republican party high up, do you think could move the meter, do you think should step up and make that same declaration? >> mika, i wish everybody would , everybody who knows the danger he poses. and frankly, having served in the senate for 8 years, and i have heard joe say this on the show many times, we know that the republicans we served with, we know the republicans who are still there, many of them know better. and what is holding him back and making them have this allegiance to trump, i don't fully understand. in the book, i write about what it would be like to have fallen asleep now, and not know who won, waking up

after the election, and after the inauguration and to see what trump is doing, which is implementing his policy with military troops in the street to grab the woman who waits on you at the diner, pick up the guy who is mowing the grass in the neighbors yard, not because you have any information about them, but because of the way they look, or maybe their first language. that is unimaginable, but that is what is being promised. i would ask every republican, you know, a lot of people decided not to run from the congress when they knew they could not support trump, and they knew that if they didn't, they would be primary. let them step up. but what is most important to me are the people who have served with him. they are sounding a three-alarm fire is possible.

they are telling us, they were in the defense department, the white house, homeland security across his government, they are begging us, please, i saw him, don't put him in power again. next, our next guest calls donald trump's lie about haitian immigrants another test for christian america. russell moore joins us with his new piece in the atlantic when "morning joe: weekend" continues. 24 hour. hydrating curl definition. style your life the way you want. ♪♪ tresemme, style your way. dexcom g7 is one of the easiest ways to take better control of your diabetes. this small wearable replaces fingersticks, lowers a1c, and it's covered by medicare. not managing your diabetes really affects your health for the future. the older you get, the more complications you're gonna see.

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american media totally ignored this stop stuff until donald trump and i started talking about cat names. >> it was not just a me me. >> if i have to create stories so that the american people pays attention to the suffering of the american people, that is what i am going to do, because you guys are completely letting kamala harris coast. >> if i have to create stories, he said-- >> so that the american people pay attention. so you are going to make up something. >> donald trump asked to criticize bomb threats, refuses to do so. >> doubled down. >> not only doubles down, spring trickle springfield gets confused, which i guess he is older, i don't know, he gets confused talking about venezuelan illegal immigrants. actually, they are legal immigrants, as the republican

ohio governor, the city manager said. it is interesting. that is the guy who said in 2016 that christians should not vote for donald trump. let's bring in right now russell moore, editor in chief of christianity today. he is the author of a new piece for the atlantic" titled, "trump's lie." >> russell, in your new piece, you write, quote, when we are willing to see children terrorized, rather than stop telling lies about their families, we should step back. forget about our dogs and cats for a moment, and ask, who objected our consciences? that is especially true for those of us, who like me, claim to be

followers of jesus of nazareth, who told us, that on the day of judgment, people will give account for every careless word they speak, to sing praise songs in a church service while trafficking in the bearing of false witness against people who fled for their life, who seek to rebuild a life for their children after crushing poverty and persecution is more than just cognitive dissonance. christians do not need to struggle to figure out what jesus would do here. if we see children sheltering at home, because they fear violence, we know that is wrong . and when we see that this fear comes from the incitement of hatred against those children because of where their parents came from, shirley, we can smell the brimstone. >> and russell, just for people watching who would say, that is

just some lefty, you, like me, grew up in the baptist church. i will just say, i have been against illegal immigration my entire life. i think we need strong borders. i think we need to always secure those orders, and at the same time, we need to do what we can do, like you said, to show love, mercy, and grace as we go through the process. but here, russell, the lies are about people who are here legally, people who are working hard. people whose bosses are saying, they work harder than anybody that we can get to work in springfield. and here legally , working hard, pursuing the american dream, they and their

children are in hiding now, because of bomb threats, and because of hatred and lies spewed by a ticket running to be president and vice president of the united states. what's christlike about that? >> this is a part of the moral sickness that we see around us right now. i think there is good news on the ground in springfield. "christianity today" did a report about what pastors in the church are doing. there is not a demon inside of credit people there locally. it is coming from the outside and all over social media. this will get people hurt. we have people that are sheltering in place, scared. this is not just cat memes. that is part of what is so alarming right now. he does not matter if we light our way to the truth if we just bear false witness against people, claim that they are

abducting pets, using every kind of stereotype and demonization of people from other places. it is just morally sick and morally wrong. >> as an evangelical christian who actually believes in the existence of satan you write quote, i agree that we can see the work of the devil at play here, only, it is not on the menu of the haitian families, but rather in the cruelty of those willing to lie about them. russell, russell, my friend, you have said it. and i have always brought up the story of the good samaritan , because this hatred of all people who do not look like us, who do not think like us, who do not worship like us, it is the antithesis of what jesus said, you are the theologian. i will quickly say for those watching that have not read the bible, specifically those who claim to be evangelicals, jesus is specifically asked, when he

says, we must love our neighbors as ourselves, he specifically asks, who is our neighbor? that is when he tells the story of the good samaritan, the samaritan who was hated and loath, and despised by those jesus was talking to, and yet, talked about the good samaritan doing what religious leaders would not do, and that is provide comfort and grace for the man on the side of the road who had been beaten. >> and i often think about what martin luther king said about that very story of the samaritan , the priest and the religious leader who passed by, probably weren't doing that out of apathy, he said, they were probably doing that out of fear. they probably thought, if someone is beaten up, there are probably robbers around here, i might be next. that kind of fear leads to the mistreatment of this vulnerable person. i think that is what we

are seeing right now. there are people who some would say conflict entrepreneurs, who want to cause us to be afraid of our neighbors. it has happened over and over again. it happened with italian immigrants, irish immigrants, vietnamese, refugees, with others to say, you should be afraid of these people therefore you should mistreat them come and you should not care what happens to their children, and even beyond that, what happens to our own conscious and souls. that is a dangerous position to be in. the bible says, perfect love casts out fear and we have to be free from this fear. >> russell, i'm curious where you stand on this. obviously, it is really important not to judge others, cast judgment, at the same time, it seems like there is absolutely nothing christlike about what trump and vance are doing, especially to haitian migrants in springfield. what do you say to evangelical

christians who support trump and vance, especially in this? are they choosing to be blind to the destruction and to the danger they are opposing to these people? or are they still in a category where you have to completely withhold judgment, and assume that they are doing the best they can, they just don't know? >> will, i think there are some people who are confused by the kind of disinformation, disinformation that rockets around the place right now. for those people, we need to simply talk about what is actually happening, and how these words can be dangerous. i am less worried about the lyrical ramifications of this, then i am this ongoing cycle of demonizing one group after the other. i just can't keep going like this. >> still ahead on "morning joe: weekend" we take a look at season four of the netflix

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i really needed this. a break from work, paris, everything. >> where is emily? >> she went to rome. >> i knew it. >> pack your bags! [ speaking in a global language ] >> which city do you prefer? >> surprise! >> that is a look at part two of season four of netflix's smash hit show, "emily in paris". the series follows american, emily cooper, who has moved overseas to work at a french marketing company, ran by her

boss. in the latest season, emily and her coworkers and barked to rome, each with different professional and personal pursuits in mind. joining us now is one of the stars of "emily in paris" who plays emily's boss in the show, and award-winning executive producer and writer of the show, darren star . good morning, thank you for being with us. >> happy to be here and thank you for saying my name right. >> high school in a little college fridge, so forgive me. we were just talking during the break about the explosion of this show. you always hope you create something that will resonate, you have so many times in your career, but could you have imagined the way this is taking off, not just here in america, by the way, but around the world? >> no, you never go in expecting something like this. part of it is the netflix

affect, it sort of dropped everywhere in the world at the same time, so everyone got to experience it simultaneously, which is sort of a first for me. >> i remember reading when it came out, it was number one in more countries than i knew existed. >> 95 or something. >> exactly. philippine, let's talk about your role, for some who have not seen the show, i guess there are some left, how excited were you to work with this group? >> it came from casting, so it was really ratings. i was so excited. i read, it was not for me, it was for somebody younger. for some reason, darren decided, it was going to be me. it was amazing. i was really excited, kind of nervous to get into a show with darren, because he is such a legend. it was fantastic, such a great adventure. >> when i saw both of you, i thought, i have got to tailor the role for her.

she sort of defined it for me. >> that is a nice credit to you as an actor. you are a well-known french actress, for those that don't know. obviously, your profile has raised up here and around the world. >> it has been very exciting, at the same time, very overwhelming. i am still trying to figure out how to navigate this whole thing. it is wonderful. it gives us so many opportunities as actors. everybody, everybody is like me there lives have changed, our lives have changed. >> you have earned it. let's take a look at a scene where sylvie reconnects with an old flame in rome. >> listen, i know what i am good at and i have an office to run now. >> there are things more important than work. >> i know. somehow, coming here reminds me of that. today, i told an american girl that works for me to sacrifice romance to my ambition, which was so wrong. >> and what did she do? >> she refused, as she should have. ever since i opened my own agency, my life has become my

own work. i've even in business with my husband now, he has opened a business in paris. >> still with your husband? >> i think you are the only man who has ever been jealous. >> i think you made the right choice with the casting, darren , just watching that scene. you know what people love about this show, not just the great performances, also what you do with all your shows, this sort of atmospheric elements of costumes, cities, and setups. as paris as a backdrop, gives you, i imagine, just as a creative person, so much to work with. >> the city inspires me. it always has. that is why i wanted to set the show there. for me, i wanted the opportunity to live and work in paris, like emily, and i got to

do it spirits >> selfish reasons. >> and for you to shoot in your home country. >> yes, also rome is my hometown. i was raised there. paris and rome. what else? we don't need anything else. being in these two cities represent so much for me. rome is the heart, and paris is an exciting life. >> we don't want to give too much away, we know you have been renewed for a fifth season. for people just dialing into this fourth season, what should they be expecting? >> i think by the end of the fourth season, we find ourselves in rome, which is a big change for the series, but it does not mean we will be leaving paris. i think the footprints of the show expands. i think those that have not seen season four, a lot of twists and turns. >> and for your character? >> think i would love a lot of twists and turns your i love how darren blows it up. i think

we have it spirits >> no dummy about your locations, paris, rome, bouncing around the world to great cities. congratulations on the success of the show. you can stream all four seasons of "emily in paris" now. philippine leroy-beaulieu and producer and creator, darren star. thank you for being here. do not go anywhere. we have a second hour of "morning joe: weekend" right after the break. r the break. ? thank goodness we called his cardiologist because these were signs of attr-cm, a rare and serious disease... ...that gets worse over time. if you see any of the warning signs, don't wait, ask your cardiologist about attr-cm today. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients.

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at 7:00 on this saturday morning. let's jump back in where we left off . >> we have so many entrepreneurs in our country with great ideas, incredible work ethic but not necessarily access to capital because not everybody like my opponent was handed $400 million on the silver plate that he filed bankruptcy six times on here so, part of my plan is to give start up small businesses a $50,000 tax deduction to start their small business. right now it's $5000. nobody can start a small business with $5000. >> that's a teeny, tiny business . teeny, tiny business. >> concept of a business, right? you know what i'm telling you. >> i think for far too long on the issue of gun violence, some people have been pushing a really false choice. to suggest your either in favor of the

second amendment or you want to take everyone's guns away. i'm in favor of the second amendment, and i'm in favor of assault weapons ban's. universal background checks. red flag laws. and these are just common sense . these are just common sense. >> it was so powerful at the convention when you said you have guns. no, at the debate. >> i'm a gun owner. tim walz is a gun owner. >> i did not know that. >> if somebody breaks into my house, they are getting shot. >> yes. i hear that. >> probably should not have said that. but my staff will deal with that later. >> vice president harris saying somebody breaks into my house there getting shot. talking about guns pick the policies she laid out there -- >> we say in the south, willie, you know what we say in the south when somebody says that? yeah. so, what's your point? of course. somebody breaks into

the house. >> i think one of the reasons oprah pointed that out was it when in line with not something you're used to a democrat saying. if you come to my house i'm going to shoot you. that hits a little bit differently. but those policies she was talking about. red flag laws and universal background checks had overwhelming support and bigger picture, joe, we talk about not grading donald trump on a curve. watch those 90 minutes of vice president harris talking about policy. you don't have to agree with all of that or any of it if you don't want to and then take what donald trump was doing at his anti-semitism event, ironically called that as he was making anti-semitic comments throughout pick a rambling, self-indulgent, self pitting speech. just stop and watch this two events if you have the time if you're still undecided and think it through. >> i mean, it really is. it's not political. it's objective you just get the transcripts for both of these people.

one is talking policy with a nuanced approach on several issues. the other is rambling incoherent sentences. never seem to find a resting place with a period at the end of them. thoughts are -- just, again, jumbled. you look at some of the things she said. we talked about gun ownership, reverend al -- she supports, i mean, her positions on gun ownership, i'm sure republicans and nra extremist try to say she is extreme. what she talked about a 90% issues, 80% issues, even talking about the banning of military-style weapons. most polls i've seen over the past decade show two thirds of americans support that. maybe some will show it's around 50%. but none of those positions are radical. and then you hear her talking about something that, i've

wanted democrats and republicans to talk about for a long time. and that is making billionaires and multinational corporations pay their fair share. but telling small business owners, people that run family restaurants. they want to start a family restaurants are start a family hardware store, entrepreneurs that want to start a tech company in their garage or their parents garage and they have something to build on. she said, here, we will give you a $50,000 tax credit. that not only helps small businesses that drive america's economy, and for a person of good faith send a good message that she is not a tax and spend , left winger. a tax and spend progressive. she understands the importance of small business. she understands the importance of giving people who want to

help themselves a step forward into the business world pick >> absolutely. i think, clearly, when she did this 90 minute conversation town hall with oprah, you begin to see what those of us who have known kamala harris is that she is not a left-wing- kind of radical. she is someone right in the center of where this country is whether we agree with her or not, those of us that may be to the left of her, that's who she is. and when she talks about investing and giving the $50,000 tax cut to small businesses, not only are they the ground of the american economy, they are the major employers and many of our communities. so, people on the ground working these kind of small businesses more than big corporations, that is who she is speaking to pick in the contrast. her giving these policy statements and giving how she relates to the average gun owner

, who also doesn't want to see assault weapons, and how she relates to people that need small businesses and lifts at the bottom. contrast that to donald trump who goes to the speech yesterday on, you owe me israel and i did this for you and you all are so ungrateful and i've been a victim all my life, even though i inherited hundreds of millions of dollars. i'm the victim and nobody has given me the credit. the contrast in conversations and styles should tell america who should bring us forward. >> and says if he loses this election, he's going to blame it on the jews. that's really an interesting thing to say at an anti-semitic conference. anti-semitic event. alicia, i thought was interesting about this over event. first of all, it's online and so it lives today, tomorrow,

forever online throughout the rest of this campaign also, you look at that picture. it's interesting. is such a contrast because here she's doing something that breaks through the noise, that breaks through from politics into pop- culture. but while doing that, she doesn't do it to get a wrestler ripped his shirt off at her convention. she does it to talk about policy , to talk about whether it's gun ownership -- whether it's the balancing of gun rights and gun safety, whether it's talking about helping small businesses and entrepreneurs with a $50,000 tax cut, whether it's talking about the importance of women's healthcare and keeping women safe. she puts out more policy and

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joining us now democratic senator raphael warnock of georgia. it's great to have you with us. i want to talk about why the vice president is there. before we do that, would love to get your 30,000 but snapshot. the view of what is happening in this race right now with just 40-some days left and how the dynamics, perhaps, have changed since vice president harris enter the race, deceptively where you're sitting in the state of georgia. >> well, good morning, everybody. i'm coming to you from battleground georgia. georgia is very much in play and kamala harris is message is resonating on the ground here. and i think in battleground states and across our country.

and it's because she's centering the people. donald trump is good at one people. he's good at talking about himself, thinking about himself, fighting for himself. she is fighting for ordinary people inspired by her own story as the daughter of immigrants, as someone who is trying to create an opportunity economy, address head on this housing crisis that young families are dealing with. it's been going on for a very long time. and part of what we've got to do is address the supply side. we got to bring warehousing online. she has an amazing plan with respect to that. i've got legislation that would support that effort. and she's been a part of an administration that has canceled some $170 billion worth of student debt. helping

some 5 million americans. we capped the cost of prescription drugs. and we are focused on making sure that we protect people's freedom. the freedom of women to make their own choices. the freedom of her children to go to school without being worried about being killed. and the latest tragedy in this ongoing epidemic of mass shootings -- the stark contrast is being placed before the american people. we've got a criminal, literally a felon, running against a prosecutor. kamala harris has been fighting for the people her whole life as a prosecutor. she is making the case. the american people the jury and i think it will get it right? >> senator warner, good morning. let me ask you a question. you not only are a u.s. senator from georgia, and have already proven how well you can do that job. you also are a minister, as i am. you pastor one of the historic churches in this country. and the vice president is coming to georgia today to talk about reproductive rights. for people watching, how do people that may personally have

certain feelings about abortion reproductive rights say at the same time though i do not have the right to make those choices for others. how is you as a minister, because i've had to deal with this, distinguish between what we may have as religious feelings from what we feel the state has a right to deal with in terms of making people's choices? >> well, i should say parenthetically, reverend sharpton, that you have preached from my own pulpit and were always glad to have you? >> only when i'm invited. [ laughter ] >> i got the message. listen. i am a man of faith. i have a deep, deep reverence for life, and i have an abiding respect for choice. the question with respect to this issue of reproductive rights is whose decision is it? who gets to decide?

and as i've said often, i believe that it a patient's room is too small and cramped space for the doctor and the united states government. that's too many people in the room. and we are witnessing in real time what happens when politics enters the room. we have heard these tragic, tragic, heart- wrenching stories all across our country to right here in the state of georgia. these two young black women whose deaths were preventable. and it is a direct result of what donald trump is bragging about. putting these conservative justices on the court who ignored 50 years of precedent, who overthrew roe v. wade, and, literally, women are bleeding out in hospital parking lots while their doctors pandas are tied. worried about actually being prosecuted. and this is happening in the state where

the maternal mortality rate is already high. it's high in this country. it's higher than any other wealthy nation. and for black women in georgia, it's six times the rate of the national average and he's adding to the crisis. so i think people see this for what it is. and listen, let me just say. i trust women more than i trust donald trump and his allies. >> senator, let me ask you before we that you go about the vote in georgia. obviously, everyone knows her razor thin the margin was there in 2020. we all know the number because donald trump asked that number plus won on that infamous phone call with your secretary of state brad raffensperger who held his ground, as did the governor to their great credit. are you confident the vote will be counted fairly and the vote will be secure in the state of georgia, given all the efforts we are already seeing from maga supporters and rafah enthusiasts to mess around with it?

>> well, let me just say that the fact that they are engaged in these kinds of shenanigans underscores the point that georgia is very much in play. this race is close. i proven over and over again that we can win georgia. so, i'm concerned watching what's happening with our state board of elections. we have to remain vigilant. we have to remain vigilant in turning our people out, turning up our broad, multiracial coalition that is going to deliver georgia, yet again. and we need to be vigilant in checking this kind of nonsense. listen here i had to sue the state of georgia as they were trying to prevent voters from being able to vote the first weekend of my runoff. we won those court cases and as a result of that people were able to beau. and i'm sitting here in this chain is a sitting united states senator from georgia. we will remain vigilant on both fronts. part of the work of voter suppression in these games is to so demoralized electric that you don't even try. way to

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so, i'm curious. i'm curious, if you would, talk about january 6th. in your book you paint a vivid picture of what it was like inside your home. i think it was that way and hours, and so many others. but also talk about you had rarely seen president clinton as discouraged as he was that morning. >> as i write in the book, joe, i went out for one of my walks. that's how i try to keep myself

a little bit saner. and i came back in to my house. i did not have any knowledge of anything going on. chelsea and her husband, mark, and the kids were living with us during covid. bill was that our breakfast table and chelsea was standing next to him and they had the television on. i did not even know what they were watching. there were these images of the capitol and people scuffling and fighting with police officers and scaling the walls. and, you know, bill told me that there were rioters, who were doing what they thought to be trump's bidding. trying to interrupt the certification of the election in the congress and were, you know, bill, had his head, literally, in his hands. he

just could not believe it. i was looking at a place i'd gone to work in for eight years. i was stunned. second. and, my daughter, who had grown up in politics and has been around people who are of different parties, but has always found ways to talk to everybody and particularly loved the way george and barbara bush treated her from the time she was a little girl. so, we have very fond memories of the transition of power. the peaceful transition. and we were just in a state of deep, deep worry and despair. and like many, many americans, watch that unfold throughout the day. and wondered, where was the president? where were the orders to end

this terrible assault on our democracy? and, of course, they weren't there because he was, i have to say, enjoying what he was watching on television. that is the only conclusion one can draw. and he held out hope that his efforts to intimidate, to overwhelm the legitimate, constitutional process might actually work. this is a guy who believes raw power intimidation, domination is what should be done. i saw a video clip of him just the other day praising the north korean dictator because people stand up and salute and applaud what he walks into a room. and, literally, trump is heard saying, that's what i want from my people. this is so foreign to who we are as a nation.

the kind of values we are supposed to hold and january 6 was one of the worst days in american history. >> and by the way donald trump still, again, promising to pardon many of the people we see in that video desecrating the capitol. secretary clinton, one of the things people who spend time around her these days note is how dialed in you are on policy, how dialed in you are on individual races across the country. you are very, very engaged? i'm curious and i will put you in a pond and seat for a moment about how we should be thinking about these next 40-some days of the election? what are the important states to look at? we showed some new polls this rendition is progress for vice president harris versus where joe biden was in some of those states. but as you also point out there's a celebration in the campaign picking a how tough it will be. what is your assessment of where things are? >> i think we've made a lot of progress. we are certainly, in a better position that we were before the president decided to

withdraw. and, i think, the challenge, as it has been for a number of elections now, is winning the electoral college. i have no doubt that the harris- walz campaign, like my campaign , will win the popular vote. but, i think, as we all know, that doesn't get you the election. you've got to win 270 electoral votes. i think what needs to happen is what they are doing, just more deeper, more intensely, which is reaching out to people both with the positive story -- and you know what, sometime i'm asked, where's the policy? go to the website. that's where the policy is. i had more policy than anybody had. i gave speeches about it. it was on a website. i wrote a book with tim kaine

about it. we have lots of policy. at the end of the day, that's not what caused people to vote for me or against me. and i think the harris campaign knows that. they know that you've got to cross a threshold, which they have more than done, in terms of what kind of governance you are promising. but at the end of the day this is a contest between freedom and oppression, between democracy and autocracy , between bringing people together and further dividing us . and that's what has to be communicated every single day between now and the election. and, i want to just add that i think you all do an excellent job of talking about the stakes . not just the horserace, but the stakes of the election. and painting a picture for people about what trump is promising to do. and don't let

folks get away with saying, yeah, but are not immigrant. that's not going to affect me. i'm not a woman of childbearing age, abortion bans won't affect me. i'm not likely to die like that poor young woman in georgia did because she did not get the medical care she needed. i'm not lgbtq. i'm none of those things. i think if you listen to somebody like timothy snyder, who i think you had on the show, and with his new book on freedom and his prior book on tyranny, there is no safe harbor from authoritarians. you can get on the wrong side without even knowing. and a lot of the people in business who say things to me like, well, you know, i don't know. i mean, the taxes and this and that and the other. first of all, think about the future of the country and what will happen to your children and your grandchildren. but secondly, you know, you may not be his favorite in a year. somebody else may have given him

more, not only campaign contributions, but business and financial opportunities that feather his nest. and, so, you think you're safe? nobody is safe. and we've got to get back to a country that is under the rule of law, not the rule of a very dangerous man. and those who enabled him. because don't forget, willie, that this is not just about electing him. it is about putting people into place who, through project 2025 , have made us very aware of the kind of country they want to see. they want us to believe what they believe. they want us to worship the way they worship they want us to think the way they think. they want us to ostracize people who are not like us. no. you know, i grew up in a time

when he kept pushing open the doors of opportunity. the civil rights act. the voting rights act. the women's movement. things that recognized our common humanity and our differences, which make us a much more interesting country. nobody can beat america when it comes to our energy and our optimism, our diversity is our strength. and people who want to take that away or who want to suppress it or make it feel like it's not legitimate are hurting america. they are hurting our security and our prosperity, and her leadership in the world. so i think there is a lot to talk about it may hit cords with different people and they may begin to say, you know what? i'm not going to take that chance. it's too risky. rather be arguing with the television about president harris's policy than wondering whether my son, who is in a gay marriage may have that overturned or my young daughter, who is in a state

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in a long anticipated move, the federal reserve cut its target interest rate yesterday for the first time since 2020. the fed slashed half a percentage point off the benchmark rates that sets short- term borrowing costs for banks come up but also affects mortgages, auto loans and credit cards. after announcing the cut, the central bank forecast lowering rates by another half-point before the end of the year. let's bring in former treasury official and morning joe analyst steve rattner. good morning. here's the front page of the wall street journal and it says the fed goes big with half- point rate cut. we were talking before hand. this sounds like a big number, and it is, but they were signaling it might go from not a quarter to a half in the days before this experiment yeah. normally it would be a quarter for this first step in a rate cut cycle. that's traditionally what happened outside of some

crisis. and the fact they went to 50 basis points is two things. one, they had the room to do it. inflation has come way down and it's down to about 2.5%. and secondly, they needed to do it because the labor market is softening. you can see here what the march of rates going up to the top of the mountain and you can see them starting to come down and what the fed also, as you said projected a more rate cuts this year and next year and gradually rates getting back to somewhat more normal level. on the right side you can see margin costs have already rolled over, and that's really important. housing costs have been a big factor in this election and it's important to show the american people there is hope on mortgage costs. >> if it goes another half- point by the end of the year, as predicted, you're talking about a full point in the space of four months or so. in layman's terms, what are the practical implications for the people watching the show today? >> the practical implications are lower interest costs, as

you said in the lead and come on mortgages, credit cards, and that sort of stuff. the real implications are that it gives more stimulus to the economy, provides more of a lift, and signal something important, which is that we have gotten the inflation under control and inflation is now down to 2.5%. if the target is 2% so were not that far from it. and it does show that. and you can see that right up there. on the right side of the inflation you see the inflation mountain going up the mountain and coming back down the mountain. so the bed has the scope now to do this and it will do it. so, it's a big political lift for the harris campaign. i think they are positioned now, as the president biden will say at the economic club of washington today though she will be careful not to declare victory but he will say we have made a lot of progress and it looks pretty good ahead. were also growing at 2%. we are adding jobs. and here's a fun fact. gdp under president biden, even if you strip out covid, moves slightly faster than it did under trump, who loves to run

around and talk about his great economy. actually it was better undivided . >> we've heard this term soft landing for the last couple of years. the delicate dance that that has to do to avoid a recession, effectively. does it look like our economy has achieved that or will achieve that? >> remarkably, it does. this is almost without president there's almost no example in history where the fed is gone and and attacked inflation and managed to lick it without having a recession. so, yes. the percentage of economists who think it could be a recession in the next year , likely to be a recession in the next year has gone from a peak of 65% down to 35%. and, so, we're basically in a strong environment. and i want to make one other point. trump is attacking the fed and saying it's political and blah blah blah. i'm not sure the trump understands how the fed makes rate decisions. rate decisions made by a committee of 12 people from all of the country appointed by

various presidents and local federal reserve banks. it's not jay powell's decision pick you had an 11-1 decision yesterday in favor of cutting rate. this is the fed doing its job, not the fed playing politics. >> as always, donald trump suggesting something that does not cut his way so there must be something corrupt or fishy going on and injecting that poison into the economy. and something else he said before he suggested something was up with this was that it's a sign, the rate cut of a half a point, that the economy is not doing well. what is the truth about that? >> the jobs situation has been slowing down a bit. unemployment is up to 4.3%, or thereabouts, but that's still a pretty low number. the economy is slowing slightly but is still positive. the fed also projected and the numbers are showing gdp growth of around 2%. it's not a barn on fire but it's not terrible. that's a steady, solid growth rate. obviously it's hard to predict the economy. but it does not suggest the economy is in deep trouble. as i said, recession predictions have been coming down. still ahead. in his best-selling book, on

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i'm going to ask you about your book, but first, if you would like to tell us about your recent trip to ukraine and what you were able to accomplish and what you found there. >> not so much what i was able to accomplish but what ukrainians were able to accomplish. if you are in ukraine you get used to the air raid sirens and the bomb threats pick you get used to all the missiles picked ukrainians are dealing with that but they are starting new things.

i took part of one project would has to do with documenting the war. another project which has to do with writing a deep history of ukraine. i was also able to take part in a competitive trial of robot in clear mind and there was a one for prisoners of war but these are things that ukrainians are doing and it's a spirit which is the on the battlefield. i talked to soldiers, but they need us backing them up. they are doing the hard part so we need to help them out. >> professor, this was not your first trip to ukraine. you've been there many times over the years. but ukraine is now on the verge, many people think, it's a country slowly being destroyed by russian armaments. it's outnumbered on the field of battle by russian troops, who could just keep throwing personnel at the ukraine army and the ukraine population is far fewer than russia, obviously. people now are beginning to say ukraine, you have to negotiate a peace. how do the ukrainians feel about this? >> the basic fallacy that we sometimes commit here in the west is to imagine there is a choice between negotiations and war is not how negotiations work

if you want russia to negotiate with ukraine, you think, what are the conditions you have to create for that to happen? and the conditions you have to create our a sense in the kremlin that ukraine is winning. if you want negotiations, you have to give the ukrainians some of the things they're asking for. i'm basically saying what is common sense in kyiv. >> you know, in your book, "on freedom" you write about five essential forms ready to increase in understanding what freedom is about. sovereignty, a predict ability, mobility, sexuality and solidarity are the five items. linking that to the current status of what is going on in ukraine and the current status of americans thinking about ukraine. let's focus on the actuality. do you think that american people, especially people in schools right now younger people in school, do they know our own history? >> so, thank you for mentioning

those five steps. with the book is trying to do to link freedom to government. the idea of freedom as a positive thing justifying how we should be governed and without sexuality, citizens can't defend themselves at all on this issue or any other issue. i don't think we are learning our own history and that has a lot to do with problems are talking about in earlier parts of the show. if you don't know your own history then you are unable to be self-critical and if you're not self-critical, you fall into the ascent of them and with us and them democracy goes away. another thing about u.s. history as it helps and teaches you to appreciate what others have done for us. in this whole discussion of ukraine i fear that we are missing that they are bearing the brunt of something. and by doing that, they're making it easier for us to live our normal lives. >> professor snyder, good morning. great to have you back with us. there is so much to dig into because this really does tell the story of where we are in

your book right now is a country but one of the things that jumped out to me is this idea of truth and freedom and the difference between something being true and something feeling right or feeling good so that people who serve the information want to make the audiences feel right and feel virtuous and they have their beliefs affirmed for them. how do we cut through that as a culture, as a society, as a media? because it's a critical to what's happening right now. >> that's a key point. freedom is hard and facts are a test but the thing about facts is they are not what we want to hear, but they make us better when we can actually deal with them. the first part of this is a certain attitude that you have to be ready to be corrected instead of thinking you're always right. the second part that goes to your line of work is we have as a country to make sure they were actually growing the facts but they don't just appear magically. we have to have institutions, laws and weight is to supporting supporters who find out things locally. if we don't have local reporting, then things are not

used to treat around them and then they look for national stories in this light over to conspiracy theories and things they read on social media there's a challenger but one that can be met? >> the new book, "on freedom" , is available now. professor of history at yale university, timothy snyder, thank you very much for coming on the show. and for the book. coming up. oscar nominated actor adam driver joins the show to discuss his two new big projects. an off-broadway revival and a major new film. "morning joe weekend" will be back after a quick break . everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white provides 2 shades whiter teeth and 24/7 sensitivity protection. i think it's a great product. it's going to help a lot of patients.

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and new off-broadway revival featuring when the world's best actors is caught the attention of the theater world. the play, hold onto me darling, stars oscar, emmy, tony and golden globe nominated actor adam driver. he plays world-famous country music and movie start grappling with the cost of fame, fortune and eagle in pursuit of the american dream. and adam driver joins us now. great to see you. >> good to see you again. >> you look surprised when i describe you that way pick you like, that's me? >> i want everyone in the house to describe me that way but no one does. >> so let's talk about this play. you've done broadway before. you started on the stage after your time at julliard and the rest of it. what was it about this play,

this writing, this story that captured you and convinced you to dedicate as much time as it takes in your life? >> the writer. i always wanted to work with him. i loved his plays. i love his films. margaret, in particular. i don't know if you've seen that movie. it's a masterpiece. he first came to me about a couple years ago and the timing wasn't quite right but this time the timing was perfect. it was him. and the cast. i have to say is one of the best . i know. people often say that when the talking about it as one of the best casts i've ever worked with and that that theater at this time, it all seemed to be serendipitous for me. not for anyone else. >> i give a little bit of a loose description of your character. who is he the way you see him? >> he's kind of described as what you said. a country singer whose grappling with his identity. but it's a comedy. andy also has just lost his mom, which is the impetus for all of that. but i think, like

with most great things and it's great writing, it's about a lot of things. it's about identity. it's about the people that support those kind of nucleus and households that is about grief. with kenny's place, because you're doing seven shows a week or eight shows a week for four months there's always something to discover. there's a new question you can ask yourself this suddenly works its way into the line. and if it's bad writing, i found you don't have much flexibility. there's only one way to play it but when the writing is so clear and three-dimensional, and this one in particular is totally a mismatch, but it all works is a piece. there's always something to find him doing it night after night. >> to be on the brink of showing this to the world.

is it scary or exciting? >> it's exciting. it scary now because i got sick but i will have to deal with it. i don't know if i'm a glutton for punishment but i love the idea of a potential disaster. and everyone wants to watch that. a potential mess. but this time in particular. we just moved into the theater on monday. we are intact. we actually had some students and a rehearsal room so we kind of have a good sense of the play a little bit. that was kind of exciting, which i've never done before? so i'm excited for people to come see it and teach us about the play, in a way pick >> you have done, as big as it gets in entertainment in star wars but it seems to me this stage feels like home to you and you feel a different level of comfort there. is that fair to say? >> yeah. it's just a totally different -- both as an actor in films and theater, it's both a service industry. plays or playwrights or medium

and films are more of a directors medium. in this one i just like that you have to tell the story with your whole body. there is not cherry picking physicality and you get an hour or 2 1/2 hours in this instance, to tell the whole journey and you can feel the whole thing. and i love the lightness of his. the improv under pressure. within a grade structure that makes you look like a better actor because the writer is so good. i love being in the theater. and almost in a way, the went to the audience, the better. that's it for us this saturday morning. we are back tomorrow morning at 6:00 eastern for two new hours of "morning joe weekend" . up next it's the weekend. thank you for watching.