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welcome back to the weekend. breaking this hour, nbc news has just released a new national poll with just 44 days until the election. vice president kamala harris holds a five-point lead over donald trump. 49% to 44% among registered voters.

while that number was within the margin of error, it also shows a pronounced shift toward democrats since july when president biden left the race. these new numbers, as the election is already in progress, folks. you know it. if you're in virginia, minnesota, or south dakota you are voting early, and that's good. buckle up, folks. i am telling you this presidential race and dearly two years of preparation and run-up is in its final stretch and it's time to bring it home. helping us bring it all home, joining us where ever he is. i don't know, man. you are not at the table. you are not at the table. msnbc political contributor and white house correspondent for political eugene daniels, the head of the white house correspondents association. this brother is doing it all and on the campaign trail. i will sit back and let the ladies work this conversation.

>> eugene, michael i feel set the stage very well. we always caution folks here. nbc news, we have excellent polling but polls don't vote. people do. can you take us into the window of what you are seeing and what your reporting is telling you. 44 days out from election day but some states people have already started voting. >> some of the things in this poll i have been saying over and over again on the campaign trail. 16 points in favorability and the way people think of vice president kamala harris in this poll. 16 points in her favor. you see that when you go on the campaign trail. number 1, people didn't really see the vice president as much as they are seeking her never obvious reasons. it was her job to stay to the side and let president biden for then running mate have the spotlight. we are hearing from her in a different way, hearing a person that has turned into this, i

like to say a better political figure. has better political instincts are at least instincts people are finally starting to see. that is one. she is starting to give a little more detail. people want more. when i talk to people they want to see more and more details from her. she has her economic plan out there and she's focusing on that because her campaign, that's what people care the most about. the thing about fascinating when talking to people is they will bring up and the campaign brought it up a lot too is project 2025 and these are regular voters who don't go through the political machinations that we do or folks that are watching often to. they know the kinds of things that are in that. they don't like it. you see trump trying to figure how to run away from that

despite the facts of the folks around him or have been around him and will probably be around him if he were to win, work involved in it. donald trump is stronger than he was in 2020. stronger than 2016. i think that is something the harris campaign and democrats should not take for granted. they should focus on that because otherwise they will feel too good going into november 5. >> one of the things a harris campaign would like to see is as a debate. i want you to listen to what donald trump had to say about that. >> the problem with another it debate is it's too late. voting has already started. she had her chance to do it with fox. fox invited us and i waited and waited. they turned it down. >> i'm an introvert and i want to be invited to your party. i don't want to go to your party. that sounds a lot like what i have to say when i am trying to find a way out. i have to wash my hair. it's complicated.

i just don't know. i have to get a babysitter. he does not want to do this, eugene daniels. >> oh, my gosh. >> you have it people call joy of missing out. i feel that deeply some white. the thing that's interesting about donald trump is you can also watch them working through things in real time. you can see and hear the conversations he has had with folks around him. weather here so manos said, you know what? it's probably too late. working that through on stage. october 22, if i remember correctly, is when the second debate that kristen welker, our colleague at nbc did between joe biden and donald trump. we always have later debates. the debates always happen in mid to late october. the final one. it wouldn't be that abnormal

for people to have started voting. but, his campaign and the people around him no he did not do well. he himself is very good at pulling up at things that he feels good about her he feels maybe vice president kamala harris didn't to because he's, the folks he talks to, they don't push back on him maybe the same that those pushback in the principles and try to explain how bad things went. he has a different view of it. he doesn't feel he needs to do it but people have to remember he has done this before. the abc debate he said he was not going to do. it's possible he changes his mind depending on how this and other polls get closer to that date. if they change and it's looking worse for him, i would not be surprised if he changed his mind again. >> i can never get away with i'm sorry, i can come to your party because i have to wash her hair. >> me either.

>> it is just me and alicia. >> symone and i are like, okay. >> i'm sleeping. >> you are boring. the polling shows some good mo for the harris/walz campaign but they have warning signs in the polling to your earlier point about not sleeping on this and falling flat-footed come november 5. you do have despite the improvements, you do have, for example, the issue of the economy and inflation. the cost of living. it remains a top issue. you see the numbers where donald trump has an edge in the minds of voters who are living in this lala land the some of the four years under donald trump was so much better for them despite the fact that many

people lost jobs, closed businesses, and were shuttered economically. that is still a big warning sign for this campaign. what are you hearing and reporting out how they are approaching this particular aspect of a weak spot, if you will? >> what is interesting how people view donald trump in the economy and harrison economy, trump has spoken to the feelings of people for longer about the economy. he has said a bad the economy is very long time and that's what people feel. even if the economics don't match with that. elections are how people feel and not always about the facts and figures. when it was the biden campaign, they did not spend enough time talking to people's fears. they did not spend enough time saying to people, we are hearing how bad it is. it's hard to say a bad things are. i did an interview with some of

our colleagues, i think it was tuesday. i think it was last tuesday. vice president harris when talking about it, i understand that grocery prices are too high. even saying that voters understand the. you see vice president kamala harris, to your question, speaking to the concerns that people have. then going into what she would do. this opportunity economy, the first time she really got into an extended period of time. they still have to continue doing that. you see the messaging changing from the biden campaign, the 44 days is not enough time. as you said, people are already voting. they have to speed that up. they have to move faster because it seems the election will be economy, immigration, and vibes. that's the three buckets the both of these campaigns have

been talking about the most. >> economy, immigration, and vibes. can we circle back to the conversation of the interview you will did with vice president kamala harris in philadelphia? i watched the whole thing and i was struck by the fact that she literally, she could've gone up 45 minutes on her economic policy alone and you had to jump in and say, yes but we want to get to other topics. it seems as though this criticism of that, the harris campaign and vice president doesn't want to discuss her policies, but you had a substantive interview well you got her on the record on a lot. there were some answers i think the campaign is like, maybe we need to circle back particularly as it pertains to reparations, gaza but i thought it was a strong substantive interview. >> thank you. i appreciate it. we worked hard when we were

meeting and talking about the topics that we were interested in and my co-moderators, the economy was first and foremost. each of us asked a pointed question on it to have her get into as much as she could and as much as she wanted to. she is a candidate and talking about the details. when it comes to black men in the economy. why should people feel different than they did four years ago? what's the opportunity economy? you are right, we pushed her on abortion restrictions. roe v. wade has restrictions as well as allowing, and the court case. she said she would sign the bill. are you okay with the restrictions in there as well? and like gaza. when you are doing these interviews, people feel if you don't leave with a yes or no or someone answered your question exactly how you asked it, they didn't answer, sometimes a nonanswer is an answer.

when she was talking about gaza and you saw her talk about changes in policy, that is her saying she's not moving away from the policy that the biden folks have and the biden/harris administration have been doing for months at this point. she got into her economic plans the most, and i have heard from other reporters and a lot of voters who have been sending emails and letters who were thankful to hear it. they thought it had detail and they feel that it's lacking from donald trump on the specifics of the economies. >> lacking on the specifics from donald trump. who would've thought of that? >> eugene daniels, we appreciate your time and look forward to seeing you back at the table soon. nine days. that's all the time the congress is to avoid a government shutdown but with

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the republican-led house is preventing a republic -- government shutdown. there barreling toward a deadline to return funding deal . last week, republican self sabotaged their own bill with the help of, you guessed it, donald trump. he insisted republicans tank any bill that does not include unrelated legislation preventing undocumented migrants from voting, which as you know, is already illegal. joining is now democratic congresswoman pramila jayapal who is the chair the congressional progressive caucus. >> greetings. can we just pick up where week,

so much is happening. the government has to get funded is alicia noted. we had the senator here from new mexico and we were discussing, is is going to get done? essentially, he gave predictions but said, the congresswoman is coming so you should ask her. is is going to get done? and it's my understanding that what's being discussed is a deal through funding through december of this year and not going into the next year. why put yourself in this position prior to christmas? >> it's not -- it's a continuing resolution. it is to give us more time to actually fund the government. it is going to get done. the thing that is frustrating is everybody knew what would happen in the end. we will get what's called a clean continuing resolution because that's the only way we will be able to get the votes to do that in the house. the republicans are split and they had their bill failed

multiple times on the floor. their own bill, symone. they can't at their own bill passed because the attached terrible things to it between the save act which is preventing undocumented immigrants from voting, already the case. on top of that, their bill they put forward actually cut some very significant things from food access to social security, veterans affairs and things like that. now, we are at the same place and we have eight days left and we understand there will be a clean continuing resolution. it will probably require democratic votes, which we will do, because we always save these big things that have gotten done because democrats have come to the table to do them. why december? i think at the end of the day, we have to pass the budget. we don't want another continuing resolution and the most pressure comes before christmas when people want to

get home and that's the time we should pass the budget. don't forget the deal setting the budget caps was already made. the republicans have been backing off from it, but those caps were set with additional amounts of money to make sure nondefense discretionary and in discretionary were the same. soweto zeke's to the things most americans care about from making sure the faa is running and airplanes are running to making sure veterans get their benefits and seniors get their social security benefits. our hope is that we extend it now, likely through december, and then we actually pass the actual appropriations bills so we have a budget people can operate on. >> this is the republicans problem in the house, and ultimately, your problem is democrats trying to get this thing done. this from trump on his truth social post.

if republicans don't get the save act and every ounce of it, they should not agree to a continuing resolution in any way. first off, editorial footnote, he doesn't know what a continuing resolution is, shape or form. democrats are registering illegal voters by tens of thousands as we speak. they will be voting in the 2024 presidential election. another lie, and they shouldn't be allowed to. they are already provide -- prohibited under the law. be smart, republicans. you been pushed around long enough. you can stop right there and insert donald trump when he says by democrats. don't let it happen again. remember, this is biden/harris fault and not yours. that is your problem. the blind being led by stupid. the reality for the country is that you can't take care of our fiscal business. we don't have an operating

budget for this nation right now because of this nonsense from someone who is unserious about our nation's business. how do you convey that message? we had poling out this morning, nbc news polling, showing an inflation and the economy, this country still trusts the guy who tweets this. >> look, we have to keep explaining that this man is not a good businessman. he does not understand the economics of what it takes to run a government, and he is willing to put all his capitol into trying to block us from being able to do the basic things the government does. mike johnson as speaker is continuing to follow him. i do think this week, mike johnson is not going to do that. i do not believe they will shut down the government. i really don't because a lot of

those vulnerable house republicans have big elections coming up. it is not -- shutdown is never good for the party that initiates the shutdown. >> to that point, every time the republicans have been on the short end of the stick. >> and they always have to cave. >> there is political reporting this is what the congresswoman noted. speaker johnson has been which is called doing a delicate dance. political is reporting about those untangling the former president's believes of who is to blame of the shutdown. >> talking about dancing with the dancing partner who only wants to leave but does not know the steps. can you play out what you said about the fact you don't think republicans will actually take this to the line, as they have in the past? how does that work out? is that johnson having to

explain to trump, won't be able, should you win, to deliver you a majority if you jeopardize this boat? is this a decision on the part of johnson, maintaining the possibility of this of a future majority is worth angering the potential future president? how does that machinations actually look like? >> yeah, johnson will have to do one of two things. he will either have to say to the president, you need to come along with us because we will lose the house majority or any potential -- democrats will win the house back. i want to say that up front but johnson wants to keep the hope of winning the majority back and he will have to say, i need you to come along. if the president says i still think we should shut down the government, then johnson will have to make the decision of what is good for his house majority. i believe and i have been texting with some of my republican friends, they are very frustrated also.

we are wasting time here. we have wasted time for most of the 118th congress. the most do-nothing congress in history. we passed bills they have no chance of going anywhere in the senate. we spend months, months debating bills that then get pulled off the floor because republicans can't even pass them on their own. in the end, who saves things on the biggest issues to keep government going, to pass continuing resolutions? it is democrats who have to come in and continue to save us from going into what would be a really terrible, uncertain time for americans across the country. i think that's what i am hearing from my republican colleagues and their drafting was clean cr. johnson hasn't committed yet, but we anticipate that by the middle of the week at latest, we would pass that. it would go to the senate and

we would avert a shutdown, and it would be clean meaning it's would have continuing levels of funding and no poison pills. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal, thank you for joining is. donald trump already trying to interfere with the 2024 election. we are digging into his latest attempt to hijack a last -- nebraska's and how to offend the presidential race. e presid. t-mobile's 5g network connects a hundred thousand delta employees so they can make every customer feel like they've arrived before they've left the ground. this is how business goes further with t-mobile for business.

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folks, donald trump is working to change the playing field to increase his odds of winning back the white house and networking to earn votes. sent republicans in the great state of nebraska to call a special session to alter the electoral process. this will happen weeks before voting starts in the state. he wants nebraska to change how divvies up the electoral college votes.

nebraska and maine. it's not winner take all. the awards the electoral votes by congressional district in the blue dot is known as the second congressional district, omaha's there. blinken . it could sway the election in a tight race. this is something that the republican party apparatus, donald trump invokes who are the current rnc have been talking about and trying to do prior to the end of the last session in nebraska. the governor in nebraska is a republican but the last time they tried it they didn't have the votes. lindsey graham, lindsey graham, instead of voting last week, this man was in nebraska on the ground trying to put pressure on republicans. this is what he said to the washington post. he said, want the law change. i made no qualms about it. he city travel to nebraska at the request of senator pete ricketts. they were open-minded

and i said it's your decision to make. it comes to one electoral vote and i want you to understand what one vote would mean. the election could come down to this district and the last point i will make about this is nebraska is a unicameral. the only one in the country which means everybody is a senator and you do not run for the state senate in nebraska is a democrat or republican. there are democrats and republicans there but it's one of the last bipartisan bastion's in the country. this overtly, super republican trump appeal may not work. >> i was going to ask about the. to your point, is it is bipartisan -- i spent time in nebraska, your sense of how it plays to have someone not from nebraska, from the national party deployed to nebraska specifically to make the case to them knowing it's getting national headlines at a time when republicans are ready

tinkering with the rules. i wonder as a nebraskan you think that lands? >> i don't think it lands well with the people. it makes me think, michael, this will not reflect the republicans in the state positively if they do this. it is saying we don't think we can win so we've got to change the rules. that's what democrats say republicans have been doing for years and now they do it in the open. >> when you have won elections since 2016, you say to yourself, maybe we should change the rules and make it easier for us to win. it's one of those moments what they are looking to do. they are looking to get nebraska to take, some would argue, steal, that one electoral vote. why is that important? if the election remains tight and the electoral college and kamala harris has the potential to win that electoral college

by one electoral vote, 207--- 260, 268. taking that one vote ties the electoral college. 269-269. that throws the election where? to the house. this is important. democrats will likely win the house. hakeem jeffries will be presiding over the house of representatives when those ballots are sent to the house. they go through that process in the house. here is the rub, because the electoral college would be tied 269-269, the house will float by congressional district and not by the majority of the body. right now, and likely going into january, republicans have the majority of congressional districts. is who hakeem jeffries will have to announce as the next

president of the united states? donald trump because the vast majority of those was coming from republican congressional districts will go to trump thus making him president. that is why that one electoral vote in nebraska so important to republicans. >> if the good people of the cornhuskers stay, please email your representatives and let them know how you feel. people shouldn't be able to do whatever they want to steal an election. that is what is going on here. >> up next, senator alex padilla reviews the upcoming hearing and the supreme court's immunity hearing. immunity hear g st. jude commercials on tv and wondering, is that place legit? those commercials are nice, but is that a real thing? and having lived it, i can say for sure that money is being put to incredible use. i've never once had to wait for insurance to approve a test

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broad immunity power for prosecution for crimes related to official acts as president. the committee chair durbin said they will focus on the, quote, blaring dangers of this far right -- for the american people and the ruling is already having real-world implications in new court filings, trump's lawyers are calling for immediate dismissal of the federal election interference case against him arguing the prosecution violates that immunity decision. joining us is democratic senator alex padilla of california and a member of the senate judiciary committee. >> i don't know if we got the senator. i think skype said -- >> this. >> we are not going to do. >> i've got a backup. >> alicia, i will talk to you.

>> my first question, i think we understand the need to have it properly said out loud, codified. part of it is narratively putting it back to the center of the discussion especially given how much we have talked about the possibility of trump's future criminality. the way this could be abused moving forward, moving this conversation from a retrospective to a prospective. i think there are a lot of folks frustrated because what they really want to see from, especially democrats in the senate, is a conversation around court reform and action around court reform, understanding the reality of the court they now find themselves with and what they could find themselves with it donald trump were to come to

power yet again. >> to your point, is this hearing a way to slingshot into those broader questions about court reform and the direction our judicial system is leading us? i think just as important, how pliable our judicial system has been under the weight of this idea of, oh my gut, the former president, whose committing crimes? what do we do? you use the right word, former, as opposed to current. is a former president, he's no different than anybody else so the system has to hold him accountable as it would other citizens. you were telling me, by some quirk, george bush decides to go to rob a paint store because he has run out of paint for his pictures, that he is not going to be criminally prosecuted

because he is a former president? the system will come down on him for committing a crime. that reform peace will be important in this conversation as it applies to people that we hold in high regard because of their former position. >> especially because the current president is already setting the predicate for what those reforms could look like. president biden calling for three major supreme court reforms. no immunity for crimes a former president committed an office. that speaks to this conversation. term limits for supreme court justices. a binding code of conduct by the supreme court as we know, there is a code of conduct currently for the supreme court, but if you read recent headlines you know it was not binding. to your point, if the what they're trying to do is slingshot it in, there's a road map to follow.

>> i would note -- president biden's reforms are important, but they are very quick starting point. you think their questions were senate democrats specifically about -- in the lack of these new reforms coming, because you do pass legislation, what can democrats in the senate judiciary hearing do not? they could subpoena. i have asked. it would be unprecedented but given how justice roberts essentially had already decided about what he wanted to happen is it related to the immunity decision, maybe that's something democrats should consider. >> i have a backup. backup. but did you know prevagen can help keep your memory sharp? the secret is the powerful ingredient, apoaequorin, originally discovered in jellyfish and found only in prevagen. in a clinical study, prevagen was shown to improve memory

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excuse or technical difficulties but were glad to be back with democratic senator alex padilla of california. a member of the senate judiciary committee. i can officially welcome you to the table. >> senator, while we were waiting for you, we had the same question which is help us understand how a hearing like this really brings about reform or change when it comes to this immunity question? >> i think it begins by shedding a big spotlight on the issue. the funny business happening in nebraska you talked about, the

people have a right to know. for as much as we responded and reacted to the supreme court's immunity ruling in congress and in the political circles, i think the general public understands just how significant this is. giving any president of the united states carte blanche to do what they want and get away with it? imagine what would happen in a second trump admin if the first administration is any indicator. the founding fathers, this democracy with three equal branches of government and proper checks and balances and the supreme court undermines one of the most significant. shedding light on the hearing this week because what we don't need is richard nixon fist pumping the -- keep moving it. >> to the point you made about

what this hearing hopes to accomplish, you had president biden, and we talked about this earlier, calling for scotus reform in july of this year. no immunity for crimes a former president committed an office. term limits for supreme court justices and a binding code of conduct. these are important reforms to put in place. how likely are we to see these reforms for a court that doesn't even want to have a conversation about its own ethics? >> exactly. i was honored to be with president biden during the trip to the lbj school in late july when he unveiled his support for this package. i am proud to say it's based on legislation we have introduced in the senate. this hearing, shedding light and build the public, build

support for these commonsense reforms. given the types of rulings we have seen coming out of the supreme court in recent years, the general public is aware they're getting more extreme and more key issues to american society and we need reform. we need a thick reform, we need change to bring about stability and not court stacking and get them back to the place where people respect the supreme court and the supreme court has credibility because they has been jeopardized. >> senator, it strikes me on september 15, "the new york times" had, what i would argue, if people read through it, it's a bombshell report specifically about chief justice roberts, the immunity decision and the other decisions the data -- supreme court issued whether trump being able to be barred

or not barred from the ballot in colorado, the january 6 related cases that the supreme court weighed in on this past year and it really details and pulls the layers back about how chief justice roberts was instrumental in the. are we going to see more layers peeled back in this upcoming hearing that dovetails with this hearing? to me, this is one excerpt from it. september 15 reporting says, chief justice roberts wrote this in a memo to other justices in february, i think it likely that we will view the separation of powers analysis differently from the appeals court, he wrote. grant trump more protection from prosecution. this is something the chief justice was clear about what the other justices. it is not clear what the american people. is this a key part of the hearing and will we see subpoenas for any of the justices? >> i definitely believe this

article will be referenced repeatedly during the hearing and other reporting there has been how the supreme court has been functioning of late. for anybody who questions are doubted or thought democrats were exaggerating when we were sounding the alarm with trump's nominees and appointees to the supreme court, we have the proof in the pudding. not just in the rulings that have come out, and i think the doves exhibit -- decision was exhibit a. the heritage foundation and other, have been working for decades to stack the supreme court with extreme judges to get the rulings they want, prior presidents. laws we thought were settled for so long, to shape our democracy in their vision. it is absolutely wrong and not just the appointee presses in the cases before the supreme court but now we see evidence

of the chief justice who had ignored and denied the request for him to meet the members of the judiciary committee. to speak to us in public, you want to come doesn't speak in private? we welcomed that. he continues to ignore the -- the people because we are elected by the people. we continued to shed light on how they have been functioning and build public support for common sense and clearly needed reform. >> i want to shift a little bit. we have talked about the stakes of the upcoming election particularly with the supreme court. let's talk with the harris/walz team is doing in order to win that election. specific emphasis on latino voters. here was governor walz in pennsylvania talking specifically about puerto rico and hispanic heritage month. >> another part of the heritage.

we have a long history of being home to puerto rican and latino families who chose to start their lives in our state. they grew our economy, and every single day, their presence in our state and our country make a stronger and better. during this hispanic heritage month, the vice president and i are celebrating the collective contributions of puerto ricans and the entire latino community. >> here is the thing. that sound, when you hear it, is in stark contrast to what it is we are hearing from republicans about immigrants who come to states and governor walz was talking about his state of minnesota. you know republicans have been out there saying about haitian

immigrants and the weather changing ohio and fictionalized and opposite from the true story. when you put those messages side-by-side, it creates a contrast. >> yeah. the contrast couldn't be clearer . for a latino voters across the country, i hope everybody is paying attention. we know what we get to trump wins this november and he has announce, not threaten, but announced mass deportations, wreaking havoc on communities and the economy. we know the essential worker jobs that latinos have sacrificed in versus the harris/walz administration. the campaign for hope and a campaign for specific plans to boost educational opportunities for young people. significant -- for the electric. that is important. may be one in four voters will

be voting their first presidential election. we also know it's economic opportunity that will continue in a harris/walz administration. look at the numbers of biden/harris, record jobs created, latino unemployment, latinos at work and starting new businesses are at record levels. the contrast could not be clearer. >> senator alex padilla, thank you for bearing with us through those technical difficulties. i know very happy we got a chance to speak with you. there is more of the weekend after this. weekend aft

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