biden was still the democratic nominee and he told me in that conversation that he had not ruled out the prospect of endorsing joe biden. my sense was that if that did happen, it would happen in the fall. we're kind of there now. when i asked if you wanted to talk again to update his thinking given everything that is change since that interview, he declined. he is not doing interviews. he does not want to put himself in the news cycle so i don't know what he thinks of kamala harris as a nominee. he has made some comments publicly that she was impressive in the debate against trump. i think, though, that mitt romney has internalized this idea, and this is based on a lot of conversations i've had in the last few years, that he has so little influence on republican voters and the electorate is encouraged that his endorsement will not matter.

he's had a lot of endorsements over the course of his career that don't matter so i think that is probably part of what is informing his calculus here. track that is all in tonight. the special editions of alex wagner starts right now. of alx wagner starts right now. not in our usual new york city studio tonight instead, we are coming to you live from lancing's midtown brewery right here in the battleground state of michigan this is one of the crucial states that will decide who the next president is, and both campaigns know it. later this week donald trump will be headed back to the detroit metro area meanwhile, the harris-walz campaign is barnstorming the state with a bus tour focused on the issue of reproductiv that bus just rolled into town this morning, and we're going to more on that later on this hour including an interview with one of the very important people

riding on thatop bus. it is ath critical time for the harris campaign in the state of michigan.he today a new usa today poll finds kamala harris narrowly leading donald trump in this state by 3 points,ta which is well-within that poll's margin of error. the poll also shows that 4% of voters remain undecided with just 42 days left until electio day. the battle for michigan isun likely to come down to a handful of votes and a handful of key places. now, one of those places is in the rust belt community of saginaw county. now, sag now is somewhat famous for how much of a bellwether it is. this week the guardian newspaper declared saginaw the swing county that could decide this election.ci in 2016 donald trump won saginaw county by just 1%, about 1,000 votes. four years later joe biden won the county by an even narrower

303 votes out of 100,000 votes cast. saginaw county makes up a large portion of michigan's 8th congressional district, which is the most purple congressional district in the country, quite literally. accordingun to the cook politic report there are exactly 217 districts that are redder than michigan's 8th and 217 districts that are bluer than michigan's 8th. so there are only a handful of places in this country where every individual vote c matterss much as they do in saginaw county, which is why i went down to saginaw this week to talk to a key constituency in a key county in a key battleground state that both campaigns are trying to court -- union members. just to put it in perspective for you. inpe 2020, 21% of those votes tt decided the election in the state of michigan were from union households, 1 in 5. president biden made union

workers a focus of both his campaign and the biden-harris administration. he was the first president to walk a p picket line right here the state of michigan. he appointed judges and federal officials with strong track recordss supporting union righ. his covid relief bill saved union pension plans. his infrastructure bill invested billions in good paying union jobs. andg biden's chips and science actsc was a boon to union worke especially in states like michigan. saginaw, for example, is an old manufacturing town where union workers are now working on projects that are a direct result of the chips act. and vice president kamala harris is hoping that all of that focus from the biden administration is something that union workers remember onth election day. she's hoping that she is not taking it forpi granted. last week one of the biggest unions in the country, the teamsters international union declined to endorse either

candidate in the race while also snoeting nearlywh 60% of rank a file members supported donald trump. so to get a better sense what is happening in this hotly, hotly contested state among this critical group ofat voters, we went right down to ground zero and talked to a group of nearly 60 members of ua local 85, a union group of plumbers, steel fitters, and hvac technicians in saginaw county. we talked about the election, what might make them decided and what might make them even more undecided. even with two such diameticly opposed candidates to choose from, a lot of these folks remain very up for grabs. there's also a stark generational divide among these union members, but maybe not the kind you would expect. what you're about to hear is critical in understanding why this race remains so very close

and whyma its outcome may not en be clear on election night. it's a fascinating, complicated snapshot from the front lines of the 2024 election. take a look. >> all right, so by a show of hands how many of you are paying close attention to this election? >>s okay. that's -- i'mti going to say that's like half the audience. is anybody undecided? okay. >> i'm undecided because i just haven't -- i haven't seen enough of it yet. i need to pay closer attention and kind of do more independent research before if make my judgment. >> what have you caught of this campaign? there been news stories that has made its way to your information feed? >> not particularly. it's just the way people act around this time. it's a little crazy, so i try not to partake so much. >> i'mta supporting kamala harr

because i've seen four years what i should have seen in nine years of donald trump. we have to move our country forward. i think kamala harris, a generation likela that, younger than myself, needs to start moving this country forward. donald trump is going -- pulling us backwards, not moving us forward. that's why i'd vote kamala harris. young people -- there's a lot of young people iner this room. i see the policies kamala harris, the infrastructure act, that's what most of these people here back to work pretty much their entire career, have a good wage to support a family and own a homefa and build generational wealth. >> president biden is the most pro-working president we've ever had, thees only president to ev be on a picket line and to support working families. infrastructure bill.as time after time we've seen him stand up for us. >> do you feel like vice president harris is going to be

as strong as he was? >> i do. >> who here is voting for the first time? is this anybody's first election? you guys back here. what sort of made its way across your radar? any stories or issues or positions? >> mostly just immigration. >> can you talk a little bit more about that? what aboutbo immigration have y been paying attention to? >> there are thousands and p thousandsre of illegal immigran coming across the border every day, and the vice president has done minimal work to fix that, based on what i've seen, so i'd like that to change. >> you feel that trump is going to be better on that issue? >> based on what we've seen in the first four years, i believe he'll be better on that, yeah. >> are you leaning towards trump right now? >> yes, ma'am. >> is there anything vice president harris could do at this point to changeid your min? >> not particularly, no. unless she changes her stance completely on fixing the border.

>> is this your first election? >> yeah, it is. >> and y have you been paying attention to stuff? >> some of things, but as of right now it's hard to know what is h true and what's false as f as both parties are concerned. >> what issue matters to you the most? >> definitely our issues concerning >>democracy and what was discussed before the border. >> what about immigration concerns you? >> the influx in illegal immigration is affecting a lot more than just the people but our economy. we're losing jobs for the people who live here. people are, you know, running out of work, and in return it's making life as a whole for the countryho harder. do you feel like one candidate orli the other is better on tha issue? >> like, i don't know what to believe from d what i'm seeing fromi' multiple news outlets an what comes across my news feed and what not. i'm not super opinionated either

way. >> weth talked to one gentleman who said i'm going to kind of go with my heart. >> as the election comes closer the more i see and more truth ends upcoming out, i'll be able to make a more educated. >> how many people care about whether their union h endorses candidate? is that going to matter to you? >> it matters to me what my union endorses because the union provides me with work and directly affects my pocketbook and my family. >> if the union doesn't endorse ado candidate and you're left, u know, to decide on youran own, first of all, do you think you're definitely going to vote? >> i'm definitely going to vote. >> how do you think you're going to ultimately make that decision? >> i think i'm still going to be conflicted. >> okay, so literally a game-time call? >> i think so. >> is it going to matter what your fellow union members are doing? >> it's going toer matter. >> do you guys talk about? >> yeah, it's definitely a hot

topic. >> and is there disagreement? >> oh, yeah. oh, yeah. >> right now it's pretty black and white what's happening. and you go back to republicans wanted to make our economy a service economy rather thanno a manufacturing economy. so do your research on that. do rcit, and vote for christ's sakes. people around the country and around the world don't have an opportunity. look around the economy and we've got the chips act going on here. there'sin billions and billionsf dollars. most of the people in this room are benefitting from biden's chip act. do your research. look at that. pull your head out of our ass. >> you saw that a number of veteran workers there were strong supporters of vice president kamala harris, but you

also saw there were a large number of union workers, particularly younger union workers who were undecided, and throughout our discussion it was clear many of those undecided voters saw immigration and the southern border as a major concern. they were also particularly motivated by concerns about the economy including inflation and the rising cost of housing. do you think housing is an issue? >> yes.s i actually just recently purchased a home, so, yes, i do think it is too high. it's just the costit of a livab move-inli ready home nowadays i just absurd i think in my opinion to where i feel you could buy a house for a reasonable price and not to have a tonot of work put into it. >> i just recently purchased a house as well. and this house has gone up $50,000 in the past five years, so i mean just looking at the prices in the past five years, why has it gone up so much? what can s we do to bring it ba down to what it was?

>> fortunate enough our wages have been able to keep up with inflation, but a lot of people they haven't been so fortunate and they have to choose between paying fbills, buying food on e table, so i think that's a big factor in this election. >> like he said, if you can't afford to have a house or buy your family food, then nothing else really matters. >> soea as much as these undecid voters are unsure about the candidates, however undefined their decision making process appears to be, you can see what issues are foremost in their minds in this critical swing county. but what is maybe just as interesting as what was not on the minds of those undecided voters, issues that have received a ton of media attention in this state and in thisin election, issues like abortion access and donald trump's lawlessness covered exhaustively by the national newsti media. those were not the kinds of these k things these undecided

voters are focused on. does anybody have any idea about what's happening in the federal courts relating to donald trump's -- the january 6th event and what's going on there with trump? i'm sorry to keep coming back to you, so, like, you haven't -- talk to me about your level of interest in the criminal charges and so forth. >> february 6th -- >> january 6th. >> so i know that day and he was the standing president. i'm not familiar with the charges that have been brought against him. i'm not following that. >> i mean it doesn't sound like it'sn going to be a factor in deciding your vote. >> no. january 6th what do you instinct. >> i remember seeing it on the news, all the riots and stu. don't really know what it was about or how it happened. >> how did h it make you feel wf

you saw it? >> i don't really feel any way about it. people showed their emotion, i guess, probably in the wrong way but p it happens. >> who here has been following theho decisions from the suprem court? raise yours hands. okay, i'm seeing only a handful. who here knows what the dobbs decision is? one person. okay, that's super interesting. what about abortion? an issue that you think -- >> i think it's a woman's righto no one should be able to dictate that at all. >> and d what do you think of trump's position on abortion? >> i think it's anti-isn't it? >> yeah. what about abortion?

is that something you think about and concerns you. >> i think they meet in the middle. >> what doiothink? >> i think they go too much one way and too much the other way. >> you think democrats are too open ended on abortion and republicans are too restricted?i what about you, something you think about? >> i think the same. >> what about you? >> iab haven't thought about it really. >> it is a stunning reminder that stories the national media covers intensely, stories which certainly matter to a considerable number ofer americs in general, that those stories are not necessarily the deciding factors for these elusive, undecided voters especially undecided voters who don't get their news from traditional media and may not be particularlyno interested in current events in general. for those voters what matters

must and may ultimately determine their vote this year are thede conversations they ha in their community. in this case, fellow members of their union, of local 85, and especially those members who have made upho their minds and o understand the stakes of the 2024ta election. >> you asked what the issues that are important. there one thing i said was honesty. i think it ties together everything people have been here, immigration, inflation, all the issues that are there. they don't mean anything unless you can believe the person that you're listening to. and ift you go back -- and i remember a lot of these people, it's really been eye opening. if you're going to do your research and you want to find out who you're going to trust, look at the person, look at their character. and thist is what i think it reallyat ultimately needs to bo down for people who are

undecided. if somebody has lied to you repeatedly -- they were just mentioning covid. there was lie after lie, if you remember watching those tv press thins, everyre day when we were stuck at home by ourselves. continually, in the courts, continually lying. how many times does someone need to t lie to you before you don' trust dthem? kamala harris is somebody who took an oath as a public servant, as a prosecutor, as a senator, who, in my opinion, has not lied to anybody. >> vice president harris has our view how democracy should work, the freedom for women to choose, the freedom for everyone here to be able to work how they want, to do what they want.

>> i'm not going to lose my democracy for the price of a gallon of gas over the price of bread. if you're voting for a republican, you're supporting treason and traitors, that's all there is toai it. >> we have much more ahead from the midtown brewery right here in the heart of downtown lancing. john favro and michigan state senatorst malory mcmurow join m to unpack what is happening on the ground and what it all means for the crucial states in 2024. don't go anywhere. that is all coming up next. any. that is all coming up next safe step's best offer, just got better! now, when you purchase your brand new safe step walk-in tub, you'll receive a free shower package. yes, a free shower package! and if you call today, you'll also receive 15% off your entire order. now you can enjoy the best of both worlds! the therapeutic benefits of a warm,

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michigan where yesterday we spoke union workers, a key voting block in this state about what they care about and just as importantly what they're just not paying all that much attention to. >> so, again, my name is conner, but february 6th -- >> january 6th. >> so i remember that day. i know he was the standing president. i am not familiar with the charges that are being brought against him for that. i'm not following that charge. i know there's multiple court cases going on. just not familiar with them. >> do you think you -- that doesn't sound like it's going to be a factor in deciding who to vote for. >> no. >> if you're watching this show tonight, odds are you to watch a lot of news. we thank you for it. odds are you know quite a bit about january 6th and the litany of criminal and civil cases brought against donald trump. but this election is likely to come down to just a few thousand voters for whom keeping up with political news is not a

priority. so how do you reach this vanishingly small group of voters who don't fit into traditional political models, who don't conform to typical political profiles, who are frustratingly elusive, and who might end up determining this entire election? joining me now is mallory mcmurow, and john favro, the co host of the indispensable popular podcast, "pod save america." let me start with you first. i came away from these union workers thinking, man, what is a challenge it is for either campaign but especially such a campaign that has spent so much capital the harris-walz campaign and finally the biden campaign trying to get to these group of voters. here you have key undecideds

they're not particularly engaged in policy and yet they might determine the election. i wonder what you can tell me from your sort of first-hand understanding of this electorate, the challenge the harris team in particular has in getting to these people and convincing them to go pull the lever from kamala harris. >> so i think what you've heard in the interviews is people are working hard. they're concerned about the economy, concerned about buying a home, and they're concerned about keeping a good union job, and to me that points to the importance of something i've been advocating for the past couple of years is states legislatures, it's not just the bench, it's the foundation because we are the ones that are going door-to-door. we are the ones that have candidates in the community. we will be out knocking on thousands of doors for people who may not to watch the news as frequently as you and i do to talk about the fact that michigan democrats became the first state in 60 years to repeal the right to work. you saw president biden on the line with so many of us on the line during the pickett to say this is a team and we support

kamala harris and here's why. >> john, it brought to the fore with obviously a lot of money, it gets dumped into ad wars. there's a lot of money spent on events and rallies. it felt to me the convincing would have to be done at the grass roots level, that it would have to come naturally from the community and the trusted voices these guys listen to, who aren't necessarily campaign surrogates. and i wonder in your experience going out into the world and talking to young voters, what's are the critical, like, delivery systems by which you convince people the election matters and that one candidate in particular is the one that they should be voting for? >> first of all, i'm so glad that you are doing this and that you talked to folks. and i hope everyone watching tunes in because that will decide the election. what those people end up doing will decide the election, and most voters in the country ant

like us. they aren't political junkies. they're not watching msnbc, they're not listening to "pod save america," but they vote. i think what the harris-walz campaign is doing, they setup a fantastic organization and the biden campaign did it in communities. television ads are great, but at the end it's going to come down to door-to-door grassroots organizing. and you're going to be able to trust someone who you know either a friend or colleague or family member. and i think a lot is going to come down to who's going to fight for them when it comes to the economy. kamala harris is giving a speech in pittsburgh tomorrow. she's going to lay out her economic vision, and i would expect her to also contrast that vision with donald trump. because i think what these people want to know is, okay, forget about they might have done in the past, forget about what's been in the news. who's going to fight for me?

what is each candidate going to do for me? and i think the harris campaign will be making that case not just from kamala harris but every single person in that organization including the thousands and thousands of volunteers they have. >> yeah, you know, to that end, who's going to fight for me? who's going to do the right thing for me, this is a group of union workers, mallory, who are beneficiaries of the chips and science act. right, they're working on projects that are part of the portfolio of legislation passed under joe biden and kamala harris, and yet there seems to be a real disconnect in terms of how they feel about their job prospects and the economy and what joe biden has done specifically for them, literally for them in the state of michigan, in their own livelihoods. and i -- and i would imagine, therefore, that, you know, the people in the union who can explain the reality of what this democratic administration has done for these particular union workers are going to be the key to harris winning.

justin palmerville is, i believe, one of the union elders at local 85, and this is what he said to the union workers at the end of this meeting. i want everyone to hear this because i think this is actually how you win the votes. let's take a listen. >> thank you for spotlighting saginaw county. it's been a great deal, and one thing i did want to address so this room knows the science and chips act, they're not kidding. we have hemlock semiconductor in this counto. and anyone working on projects at phoenix or hemlock semiconductor -- if you're fabbing at any of these shops or phoenix or hse, it's science and chips act money. that is kamala harris and joe biden. >> that's a ball game, right? that's it. >> it is how do you connect, you

know, when we hear the chips and science act those of us who think about policy all the time, we know what that is in almost the academic sense. we know the dollars and we know what it's for, but for the average person, what does it actually mean for me? you have to draw that connection, you have to connect those dots, and the other reality is a lot of these net gains from this administration is going to be delayed. it takes time for money to come into the state and takes time for us to appropriate the dollars before the jobs actually start, before the projects actually start. so that is our job. that is going to be the job of the harris-walz campaign to really connect those dots in very plain language. >> in 42 days. no big deal. john, you know, what sort of stunned me about this because you have union workers here. they're not in a southern border state. their jobs are relatively secure. they have federal money flowing in to keep them in gainful

livelihoods. of course housing is a concern, but the way immigration animated a lot of the young men in the audience i found to be stunning. i think we have time to play another clip of landen who is, you know, one of the many voices in the audience talking about migrants flying over the border. let's just take a listen to that clip again. what's sort of made its way across your radar, any stories or issues or positions? >> mostly just immigration. >> can you talk a little bit more about that? what about immigration have you been paying attention to? >> there are thousands and thousands of illegal immigrants coming across the border every day, and the vice president has done minimal work to fix that based on what i've seen, so i'd like that to change. >> do you feel donald trump is going to be better on that issue? >> based on what we've seen on his first four years, i do believe he'll be better on that,

yeah. >> are you leaning towards trump right now? >> yes, ma'am. >> john, you know, this seems to exist, the emotional poll on trump's argument on immigration for these young white men seems to be independent of economics. it -- it feels like it's something deeper, and i think the work of a -- potentially the first lady, you know, the first female woman of color as president, it's even harder for her to articulate, you know, the reassurance i think young, male white workers need about a changing american demographic. i mean, how do you look at the pull trump's immigration rhetoric has on the group of people not on the front lines of their jobs being replaced by migrants? >> look, trump and the entire republican party and the right-wing media have concocted a story that we're being invaded by immigrants, we're taking peoples jobs, right? so that information filters down, and it becomes a powerful

narrative. now, i think what kamala harris has already done is started telling her own story about this. she talked about she was attorney general of a state where she prosecuted transnational gains and also talked about the fact there would be border legislation as a law right now that would have secured the southern border if donald trump hadn't told his republican allies in congress to kill it. and, you know, she is in the debate she doesn't want to solve the problem, he wants to run on the issue. and i think talking ability that and then also talking about the fact that last time he was president, his only big legislative accomplishment was a gigantic tax cut that went mostly for the rich. and now he wants to slap a trump tax that's going to cost most families $4,000 a year on everyday goods you buy, and what she wants to do is make owning a home more affordable and give middle class tax cuts to about 100 million americans. he doesn't really care about the

issue of immigration. he's just using it for politics, and what she wants to do is continue to fight for middle class families like the union workers you talked to. >> mallory, i know you have thoughts on this. >> i do. so there was recent polling in michigan that shows almost 75% of michiganders wants a path to citizenship. this is an area vice president harris should lean into, talk about prosecuting transnational gangs and push back on the fear mongering and the lines that donald trump and j.d. vance are painting all immigrants, even legal immigrants. look at what is happening in springfield, as if it is this mass, horrible problem that does make these workers feel as if their job is at risk when it's not. >> it's a powerful and toxic xenophobia, and the ant dote,

let's hope it gets on court in the next 72 days. it is so great to have both of you guys here. indispensable voices as we try to understand what's happening. thank you for your time tonight. we have more special coverage ahead from the battleground state of michigan where voting kicks off this week. the person in charge of making sure the election runs smoothly in michigan, secretary of state jocelyn benson, she joins me right here coming up next. stay with us. coming up next. stay with us

welcome back to our special coverage from lancing, michigan. voting here is set to begin in 48 hours. and despite the reality of those ballots being cast imminently, there are a meaningful number of voters who remain undecided. >> it comes a little closer, i think, the more i see and the more truth ends upcoming out, i'll be able to make a more educated -- >> absentee ballots are going out on thursday, man. that's like it's upon us. this thursday! this thursday absentee ballots go out across michigan to register voters who have requested them. in fact, michigan voters can request to be placed on a permanent absentee ballot list if they so choose. it is one of several election reforms voter overwhelmingly approved in an amendment vote in

2022, one which increases access to the polls. fancy that. that includes for the first time ever in michigan's history, early in-person voting in a general election beginning on october 26th. joining me now is jocelyn benson, michigan's secretary of state. what a thrill to have you here. >> thanks for having me. >> 48 hours before the election begins. when we hear about voter disenfranchisement, it seems the opposite has happened here in michigan. can you talk about the positive progressive reforms put in place ahead of the election? >> one, they've all been voter driven, which is so important to see, yes voters have been supportive and we can implement these changes, but it was voters who voted in 2022 to enact early voting in our state and a number of other reforms. really, when you look at other battleground states who have seen restrictions in voting the last few years, michigan has expanded access to the vote

because voters led the way and our job has been to make the laws real. >> i asked this just to play -- not devil's advocate, but out of cynicism because i've seen what trump has done when we have franchised voters in a greater capacity in and around covid. are you at all worried making it easier to vote is going to be something that comes under fire particularly from donald trump if he loses the election in 2024? >> yeah, it shouldn't. because making it easier to vote for all eligible citizens should be the priority of every leader in this country, right, republican, independent, or democrat. so we're going to stay there and focus on making sure we see more voter turnout being a win regardless of who benefits or who is participating because at the end of the day that's what makes democracy more vibrant. yes, we've been under intense scrutiny. every policy, every action i

take has been intensely scrutinized under the spotlight. at the same time with all the challenges, our democracy has gotten stronger, younger people are voting. you lead the nation in youth turnout and engagement. i'm proud even in this challenging time michigan and michigan voters have responded squarely on supporting democracy and supporting leaders who do advance their will. >> donald trump is making a late breaking plea to his voters to vote early while also saying it's stupid people get to vote 45 days before an election. paraphrasing what he said in pennsylvania last night. just from your sort of understanding about the movements between the parties, i mean do you believe as we prepare ourselves for election week and not election night, do you still think most of the early ballot is going to come from democrats, or do you get a sense it will be more biparten son this year? >> granted voting begins on thursday, and people already requesting their ballots and we're seeing across the board democrats, republicans and

independents requesting to vote early, requesting their ballots now, and a lot still haven't done so. a lot may be waiting to vote on the mail-in period or election day itself. but we're not seeing any trends yet. it's too early to see any trends where there was a major ilbalance in part because a sitting president at the time was telling people not to vote early, even though it ended up being ultimately democrats took advantage of and voted in significant numbers. >> and he has a convoluted position now like it's very stupid, open to chicannery, but you should do it. >> i wouldn't call any policy the voters of michigan have enacted stupid. i hesitate to say that because i tell my son not to use that word. this is a policy the voters of michigan wanted, voters on both sides of the aisle enacted into our constitution, so let's respect that and encourage everyone to use the option if it's the convenient one for

them. so that's been my focus and the focus of the bipartisan election administrators around the state. >> are you worried about the post election period? there's obviously january 6th but also december 17th when state electors meet. there are key dates. and i remember knowing all the secretaries of state in the post election period because they were on the front lines of really ensuring the integrity of the process after the election. >> indeed, after 2020 after we got through the election and unofficial results were made known, we'd be able to do our jobwise the post addition audits and things we typically do and things would proceed peacefully, and of course the exact opposite occurred. because of that we're ready for anything. this time around we have a post election plan to protect the workers, protect the votes of the citizens of michigan, whatever it may be, and ensure this ongoing attack of our citizens and our voting process is diminished in part because the truth and the law and the facts will always be on the side

of the will of the people and democracy in our state. >> secretary of state here in michigan, jocelyn benson, load up on the gatorade, power bars, whatever you eat. good luck. thanks for spending a little time with me. >> thanks for coming to michigan. >> of course. we'll be back. when we come to this program, though, the harris-walz campaign bus rolled through today, part of the messaging on reproductive rights under a second trump presidency. we'll have more on that just ahead. idency we'll have more on that just ahead. 's started. it's... the side hug. tween milestones like this may start at age 9. hpv vaccination—a type of cancer prevention against certain hpv-related cancers, can start then too. for most, hpv clears on its own. but for others, it can cause certain cancers later in life. you're welcome! now, as the “dad cab”, it's my cue to help protect them. embrace this phase. help protect them in the next. ask their doctor today about hpv vaccination.

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we're back in lancing, michigan, for special coverage oof the 2024 election tonight. tonight on a public show in neighboring wisconsin kamala harris announced she'll support eliminating the filibuster. it's part of harris' campaign focus on reproductive freedom, which now includes a bus tour making at least 50 stops and hitting all seven battleground stalts. today i got the chance to tag along on that harris campaign bus right here in michigan, and sat down with one of its vip passengers, hadly duval.

you may remember ms. duval as a stand out speaker at the democratic convention after she shared her harrowing personal story about how she was raped and impregnate by her stepfather at age 12. i spoke to hadley duval today about what she's seen and felt on the road and the challenge of reaching voters along the way. i wonder if you've seen the same level of energy and concern from young men as you have from young women as you've kind of gone around the country. >> i've seen a lot of young men get involved when they've been affected. when they know a sister, when they know their mother has a story, when they know their neighbor, their girlfriend, someone who pull at heartstrings, that's when they get involved. and it's essentially too late. and that's what we try to tell people. reproductive freedom is not going to be a top issue especially in states like this. but states like michigan and all of the safe states like we call them in kentucky, need to know

that nobody's going to be safe if donald trump gets in office because we know that -- we've seen what he's done. we can just take his record, and we know that reproductive freedom is not in the best hands with donald trump. >> and the persuasive power of reproductive rights is not the only open question here in michigan as election day approaches. michigan political reporter extraordinaire of the detroit news joins me coming up next. e news joins me coming up next (man) look at this silly little sailboat... these men of means with their silver spoons,

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we are back live in michigan. despite the tight poll numbers in this state, the voters i spoke with yesterday in saginaw seem to think this race already has a clear and likely winner. who here thinks kamala harris is going to win the election? who here thinks trump's going to win the election? no one? interesting. but whether or not that sentiment is actually a good thing for the harris-walz campaign is very much up for debate. joining me now is greg, a state

politics reporter for the detroit news and indispensable resource in the state of michigan. craig, i was surprised by the number of voters some of whom were independent, undecided, and going for trump. how many of them believe that kamala harris is going to win, and whether or not that's actually a good thing for the harris campaign. expectation setting is important in terms of getting people to the polls, right? >> yes. i think it speaks the success that democrats have had in this state for the last three election cycles. i mean, they've won over and over again since 2016 when trump pulled a surprise and barely won against hillary clinton. so i think democrats in this state believe if it's a high turnout election, both sides have an incentive to go out, they are going to win because they believe there are more democrats in this state than there are republicans. that's going to be tested this year. >> yeah. >> that might not be set in stone, and that's what the trump campaign is angling to try to upset. >> how much is the uncommitted vote going to matter in this

election? it's a movement saying it won't endorse harris but also urging its supporters not to vote for trump or a third party candidate. first of all, what does that mean and how do you see it affecting -- >> i think they're kicking it to the individual voters, and it's going to be a battle to try to convince all these voters. i don't think uncommitted in itself is going to turn this election, but i think the trump campaign's angle here is to try to get gains with a whole bunch of different groups. they're trying to get gains with arab american voters, trying to get small gains with african american voters, trying to turn out republican leaning voters who haven't voted for. keep in mind, 100,000 people voted uncommitted in the proprietary. the margin of error for joe biden was 150,000 in 2020. if trump can get some gains, a few thousand here, a few thousand there, he might have a path to breaking this precedent that's been set that in high turnout elections democrats usually win. >> is rfk going to foul this up

given a handful could make a difference? >> it's so fascinating and i was just talking to the secretary about this over there. i mean there are some signs in the polling that having rfk on the ballot might actually hurt kamala harris. and rfk and trump are battling to get him taken off the ballot, which is just a fascinating thing we're going to see develop. rfk is coming to michigan later this week, doing a town hall. we'll see what he has to say. this court case is playing out, but as you know in politics, a lot of times people push for something, this is our strategy, we're going to win the election with this and then it actually backfires. >> we'll see what happens. craig mauger of the detroit news, thank you for joining us tonight. that is our show. i'll see you all tomorrow back at my usual desk. "way too early" with jonathan lemire is coming up next. my fellow leaders, today is the fourth time i've had the great honor of speaking to this assembly as president of