terms. basic when you're competing in a sound bite culture, candidates do this all the time, to metabolize, you're not giving a full rundown, piece by piece and point by point. but yet, at the same time, you do want to give people more substantive to chew on in the election cycle. going to a place like pittsburgh, being absolutely crucial, at the same time trying to do that with the continued pervasiveness of the joy that has carried through. i also think location is critical for this. pittsburgh has central for the biden campaign. and the harris campaign. and pennsylvania is all important. make senses she's doing it there. >> arguably, the most important state on the map with razor-thin polls. nbc news correspondent ali vitali, thank you so much. of course, we'll have coverage of that speech later today. thank you to all of you for getting up way too early on

wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. new york city officials say drivers could expect the slowest traffic of the year, you know traffic is slow when biden says, i'm just going to get out and walk. [ laughter ] >> earlier today, president biden delivered his final u.n. address. biden called for concern and then added do what the hell you want. i don't care anymore. good morning, welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, september 25th. we're going to bring you the big moments from president biden's final u.n. address, calling for unity and partnership, amid growing global turmoil. meanwhile, donald trump continues to take a much different tone on worldwide issues including the russian invasion of ukraine. he's also doubling down on his commitment to tariffs. we'll play for you those comments. it all comes as vice president

kamala harris is set to give a major economic address and close the gap on who americans trust more to handle the economy. only with willie and me we have the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire. mike barnicle is with us, and presidential emeritus of formulations richard haass. he's author of "the weekly newsletter home and away" available on substack. and correspondent for "the new york times" peter baker is here in washington. and we begin this morning with another snapshot on the presidential race. a new poll from reuters and ipsos finds vice president kamala harris with the lead over former president donald trump. in the survey harris leads trump by six points. 50% to 44%, among likely voters. that's within the margin of error. she also leads by seven points among registered voters, a

two-point increase from her lead in a poll conducted earlier this month. and nbc news poll released earlier this week also showed harris lead big trump by five points, 49% to 44%. willie. >> yeah. it's one of those pick your polls. there's another poll yesterday, quinnipiac had a tie head to head. so, i think most people inside the harris campaign even though believe it's a seven-point margin but perhaps they have now pulled ahead a bit. probably for things like this. donald trump saying again, migrants are taking over american towns. he says they're now using weapons so sophisticated our military hasn't seen them before. during a speech yesterday in savannah, georgia, ostensibly about the economy, trump continued to demonize residents in colorado and ohio. >> in aurora, colorado, they're

taking over real estate. they have weapons that our military hasn't seen. in springfield, ohio, so, you have a town of 50,000 people. they have 32,000 migrants put into the town, almost overnight. and the people are so nice. you know, they want to be nice. they say, well, we're -- the mayor is actually looking for interpreters. he's looking all over for interpreters, because they can't understand. the language is totally different. what the hell. i'm sorry, you have to move the people back to the country from which they came. >> so, peter baker, let's remind the haitian immigrants he's talking about in springfield, ohio, are here legally under temporary protected status. so, he's talking about legal immigrants being deported and inflating the number of haitians that have arrived in springfield by about double. this is a strategy.

it's a mistake that an economic speech became a rant against immigrants. >> it's all about it, willie. watching the trump rallies the last six or seven months. it's really a campaign. that's the thing that strikes you. trump's speech with economy, foreign policy, anything, is really all about immigration. you know, immigration, immigration, immigration. inflation, immigration. crime, immigration. you know, he just comes back to it again and again and again. it's really what informs his whole campaigns. what motivates him, animates him. he thinks he won on 2016 on the wall. he's trying to replicate that eight years later. you know, it's not a surprise, but i suppose it's a very narrow argument that he's making. because a lot of people actually would like to hear more thoughtful conversation about the economy. of course, he's going to talk about springfield, ohio, and aurora, colorado, the two places he's most fixated on.

>> and in that campaign statement, he once again undermines the support of america fighting ukraine in its fight against russia. >> i will prevent world war iii, you're very close to world war iii. biden and kamala got us into this war. now they can't get us out. i have watched him, we were win. he's been saying that three years. every time zelenskyy comes to the united states, he walks away with $100 billion. i think he's the greatest salesman on earth. but we're stuck in that war, unless i'm president. i'll get it done, i'll get it negotiated. i'll get out. we've got to get out. biden says we will not leave until we win. what happens if they win? that's what they do, is they fight wars. as somebody told me the other day, they beat hitler, they beat napoleon, that's what they do. they fight.

and it's not pleasant. >> okay. richard haass, i'll let you take this one. there's a -- you're so welcome. i mean, what -- is this, again -- who is this for? because i would say, globally, it's shocking and frightening for our allies and friends. and in terms of trying to moot people in spring states, is this where we are? is he tapping into something? >> he is tapping into something, mika, it's a long tradition of american isolationism. that's what's happening over there doesn't matter. it's cost. it takes resources away from what should be spent here. that's essentially the tradition that he's tapping into. we saw it from world war ii and

periodically other times with surprising intensity there. two things when he talks about russia and napoleon and hitler. a fundamental difference, that's when russia was invaded. that's when russia was fighting and it's much important for putin than stalin to appeal to russia. i will say, trump, not in his defense, but i'll say he makes one decent point. and it's the question of what do we mean by winning in ukraine? it came up in the debate. it came up in president biden's speech. it came up in what president zelenskyy said. no one is putting it on the table. what is an achievable goal in ukraine. if victory is defined it is by many, mika, that ukraine has to totally rid its country of every russian troop. i understand the argument, but the problem is it's not achievable. no one is putting out there what is a realistic plan for victory.

if we're going to spend all of this money, what is our return on investment. that's a conversation that this administration has been reluctant to have for 2 1/2 years. and the danger of not having that conversation, not giving americans an achievable policy, strategy in ukraine, it allows someone like donald trump to come into the conversation to say, this can't work, i'll just end it and so forth. i think the administration and i think the ukrainian government has to begin to fill the space and explain what is achievable in that country. >> first of all i was struck by the two clips, first about the migrants and ukraine. how every word was a lie. every word was a lie. there's not even a pretense of truth there the way he depicted all of these themes. picking up on ukraine, mike, zelenskyy, president of ukraine will be speaking at the u.n. today. he's meeting with president biden and vice president harris in washington tomorrow. he's expected to present a victory plan. details of which are unclear.

we know there are is pressure to allow ukraine to use u.s. weapons deep inside of russia to this point this administration has been cautious about. but as richard said for now, he wants to regain his borders. and a noble goal but what seems unrealistic. there's no talk here. what we heard yesterday donald trump such a contrast of the future that's going to affect the entire globe. >> well, here's the situation, i would think, no one in the united states, and no one in ukraine, really, at least to my knowledge has defined the word "victory." what does victory mean in ukraine? we don't know. what we do know, i don't think we can get a grip of number of casualties that russia has suffered, both internally and in the population itself. ukraine, on the other hand, has fought nobly.

they're the underdog still. but they've got to define in washington, and in the institution of the united nations down the street, they've got to define what victory means, i would think. >> 100%. and again, the refusal to do it. i understand the principle. you know, no one ought to be able to acquire an intraterritory by force. russia has this massive military help by north korea around and china. again, we need to have goals in foreign policy, desirable in principle. and also got to be doable, they've got to be achievable. otherwise, you'll have the donald trump world saying you're throwing good money after bad. you're wasting money. the friends of ukraine have to reframe this debate in a way that promises an achievable goal in a reasonable amount of time. >> and maybe president zelenskyy will begin to make that speech today during his speech at the u.n., we know when he visits the white house and president biden tomorrow he will be presenting

what he's calling a victory plan, to your point, richard. as zelenskyy speaks today, yesterday, president biden spoke at the u.n. in what will be his final address as president to the united nations general assembly. it was a wide ranging speech. with alliances and russia's invasion of ukraine and, of course, the escalating conflict in the middle east. >> we're all forced to pull the countries apart. the world apart. aggression, cynicism, and desire to go it alone. our test is to make sure that the nations holding us together are stronger than those that are pulling us apart. the principles of partnerships, that we came here each year to uphold, it withstand the challenges. that the center holds once again, my fellow leaders. i truly believe we're at another

inflexion point in world history. the choices we make today will determine our future for decades to come. when we stand behind the principles that unite us, we stand firm against aggression. we end the conflicts today, we take on challenges like climate change, hunger and disease. we plan now for opportunities of risk and revolutionary new technologies. putin's war has failed. and his core aim. he set out to destroy ukraine. but ukraine is still free. he set out to weaken nato. but nato is bigger, stronger, more united than ever before, with two new members, finland and sweden. but we cannot let up. the world now has another choice to make. will we sustain our support to help ukraine win this war and

preserve its freedom. or walk away and let aggression be renewed and a nation be destroyed. i know my answer. we cannot grow weary. we cannot look away. and we will not let up on our support for ukraine. not until ukraine wins in just and durable peace in the u.n. charter. as we look ahead, we must also address the rise of violence against innocent palestinians on the west bank, and set the conditions for a better future, including a two-state solution. where the world, where israel enjoys security and peace and full recognition and normalize relations. palestinian security and self-determination in a state of their own. >> so, peter baker, touching on all of the hot points, the flash points around the world right now. but also a moment that probably the speech will be remembered for, president biden talking

about his decision to step aside and not run for a second term. said it was a very difficult decision, after 50 years in public service, he said, i love this job, but i love my country more. and in a message that could have been either directed at the people in the room or perhaps to the republican candidate for president right now. he said some things are more important than staying in power. it's your people that matter the most. >> yeah. i think you're right. some of the people in that room, of course, have had power for an awful long time and don't plan to give it up anytime soon. so, in effect, he's offering himself as a model for how it ought to be done. but you're right, willie, to say that's something that he may be targeting at a domestic audience. that is to say, his predecessor, after losing in 2020, made up claims that weren't true about the election and had a mob attack the capitol. it's rather striking that an american president would be having to make that point about an american, you know,

democratic election. that's something that we haven't seen, obviously in our lifetime. so it was very striking. i was also struck by how personal it was for him. remember, he has spent 50 years on the stage. and he cares a lot about foreign affairs. these are people he's spent him time working not only as vice president, president, foreign relations committee. for him, foreign relations is really the peak part of what president means. it was a whistle moment for him and maybe a whistle moment for people in the room for what may come next. >> exactly. a lot of dynamics there. also he was talking about the forces pulling us together are stronger than the forces pulling us apart. he's saying that hopefully. he's saying that in a speech that you could put right back here to this country. you wonder if he's talking about foreign affairs or domestic affairs, vladimir putin or donald trump, literally, if you listen to the speech.

willie, you mentioned a portion of the speech that struck you. let's listen to it. >> my fellow leaders, let us never forget, some things are more important than staying in power. it's your people. [ applause ] it's your people. that matter the most. never forget, we are here to serve the people. not the other way around. the future will be won by those who unleash the full potential of their people to breathe briefly, to think freely, to innovate, to educate. to live and love openly without fear. that's the soul of democracy. it doesn't belong to any one country. >> jonathan lemire, another one of those moment where is you to apply around the world or right

here. and it seems he was speaking to donald trump potentially. >> there's a lot of audiences. i'm told that line there putting people ahead of your own pretty power also aimed at prime minister benjamin netanyahu in israel who has made decisions to prolong the war that feel is putting that out. richard, let's talk about the speech. he made a compelling argument that the world he inherited post-trump, full of turmoil. he rebuilt alliances. he announced again america's presence on the world stage. that i think, is a universal agreement. however, the harder case he's making for the world it's a safer place than it was four years ago because of the ukraine and situation in the middle east. and he certainly urged israel and hezbollah to de-escalate. right now, what we're seeing, these two sides are heading closer and close to what could be an all-out war.

>> that was the yin and yang of the speech, jonathan. we heard the last generational speech of a cold war president. we're never going to hear that again. when he approaches the world it's through america's allies. the center piece of this foreign policy is ukraine. the strength, the gathering of nato against aggression. that is the sweet spot for joe biden. and again, he's of a generation that comes naturally. for donald trump it's the same generation but it's just the opposite. and we're not going to hear something exactly like that again. the problem with the speech, in part, as you say the world is a much messier place than when he became president. you have ukraine, the middle east, afghanistan, afghanistan was a self-inflicted wound by trump and biden. ukraine was inflicted by putin. middle east, though, the gap between american rhetoric and realities, we have the problems, a persistent problem for nearly a year now, close to 12 months, we've been urging the israelis

not to do certain things. we're going to do them differently. essentially one of our closest allies has rebuffed al allies has rebuffl of our treaties. that's one of the problems with the biden foreign policy. he hasn't figured out how to close that gap. device is not going to do it. with gaza. and things are moving in a direction, now with hezbollah where the chance of something really large is growing. quite honestly, president biden doesn't have an answer how to close the gap between what israel is doing and what the united states wants. >> richard haass, thank you so much for coming on this morning. we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," the judge overseeing trump's election interference case gives special counsel jack smith permission to file a new brief, explaining why the former

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why trump should not be immune from criminal prosecution in this case. in a previous order yesterday, judge tanya chutkan allowed special counsel jack smith and his team to file a presentation about why the supreme court's immunity decision should not lead to a dismissal of the charges. trump's attorneys fought the request, arguing it could improperly influence the 2024 election. joining us now is former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance. he's co-host of the sisters in law podcast. joyce, great to see you. i'll just take a step back here, for our viewers. and what exactly might we see in his 180-page brief that will probably be be heavily redacted. but also might shed some light on the case against the former president? >> so, the supreme court has ordered judge tanya chutkan to create a detailed factual record to buttress her consideration of what charges and what evidence in this case is covered by the

new immunity doctrine. she'll have to go through that line by line and piece by piece and decide what can't be presented because presidential immunity prohibits it. and what the government can use as it goes forward. but ultimately the supreme court will be passing on her decision. there will be appellate process before this case goes to trial. so, their simply directing her to do what judges and lawyers do every day in cases across this country, develop the factual record that supports your decisionmaking process so that we can review it on appeal. >> so, joyce, in addition to a lot of the nuggets of information and evidence contained in this document, it will be sealed. so, we won't be getting, probably, leaks on it. but is there a time line here of when this case might pop out and go public? >> yeah. that's a great question, mike.

i think what will happen here, what jack smith has indicated to the court in his motion to exceed the page limit last week, is that he'll try to keep the sensitive information in this brief under seal. and that should be one occasion, in this case, where donald trump doesn't fight the special counsel. everyone will want that protective order to stay in place. so, what we'll see, this will take us back to the mueller area where we saw large filings with large stripes of big black blocks on the pages concealing the pages what you most want to read. i expect that's what we'll see here. there may be information deemed unsensitive. in terms of what's coming out in the public's eye that may certainly happen at trial it may happen earlier as there's briefing about issues. trump may move to dismiss the charges against him. but we can expect, at least at the moment, most of the juicy

tidbits, for instance when are jack smith has picked up any cooperating witnesses that's likely to remain under seal. >> joyce vance, thank you for coming. peter baker, i want to pick up on something you wrote against liz cheney. but it connects to all of this. all of these legal cases, ongoing updates to these cases. most people cannot separate donald trump, in some way, shame or form, from january 6 from liable for sexual abuse. for liable from defamation, from being a convicted felon. and one of the arguments is that, perhaps, there should be a new political party. i would counter that with, isn't the only way -- i mean, there were two choices right now. >> yeah. >> and the republican party right now is led by someone who is not a republican and continues to put out their anti-democratic values. i don't know how the republican party survives this. >> yeah. >> and goes back to its traditional old school way of thinking and behaving.

isn't the choice, for the long game, if you want your republican party back, perhaps you lose this one, but you get the opportunity to get the party back, how would you rebuild in this moment of division? >> that's liz cheney's point, i interviewed her at the cap times ideas fest in wisconsin. ironically, the same day, same hour, that kamala harris was speaking to a huge crowd just across town. liz cheney has made it clear she's voting for kamala harris as is her father. and liz cheney has never cast a vote for a democrat before. she says it's a binary choice you have to use between donald trump and her. she's said a four-year reminder that donald trump did overturn

an election, and to ransack the capitol. she doesn't want voters to forget that. all of those things are secondary to a guy in her view who doesn't respect the constitution. but she also says, when it's over, is the republican party capable of fixing itself? is it capable of rebuilding itself in a post-trump era. and she says maybe not. it may be unsalvageable. because they've in her view, a cult of personality, rather than a party. maybe it's time to think about conservative values. he's not conservative. donald trump changed four times for abortion rights, against abortion rights, a ban on assault weapons, before he was against it. all of these things show he never really was one of them to begin with. he's someone who hijacked his

party. even jared kushner wanted an interview as a hostile takeover. she's saying that party is not available after trump and to think about what comes next. >> peter baker, thank you for coming up on this morning. coming up our next guest served on robert mueller special counsel investigation into russia's interference in the 2016 election. we'll hear their account of the historic probe, as well as their concerns about this year's election. and, a programming note as we go to break, msnbc's stephanie ruhle will sit down today for an exclusive interview with kamala harris, you can see it in a special two-hour edition of "all in." watch it 7:00 eastern right here on msnbc.

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the order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions obstruct the investigation. we conducted that investigation and kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. and as set worth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. we did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime.

>> so that was former special counsel robert mueller back in 2019, explaining his decision not to make a determination on whether then president donald trump had committed federal crimes while in office. that historic decision is one of the topics discussed in the new book from three former prosecutors in mueller's office, entitled "entire fierce, the inside story of trump, russia and the mueller investigation." joining us two of the book's coauthors aaron zebley. and aaron goldstein who helped lead the obstruction of justice investigation into donald trump. andrew, i'll start with you. are americans misinformed about the outcome of the mueller investigation? >> i think we are, in part, the way that attorney general bill barr ultimately released the findings and put out his own

summary of the report before actually putting out what we had written, made it so that the report, in what he put out, understated the amount of interference that the president did in the investigation. and underer stated the campaign and russia's willingness to benefit from that interference. >> let's talk about that, aaron, the whitewashing of it putting up the findings of it, first. with the calculation of it after, was there a message saying that wasn't the real story? >> well, there was. there were a series of letters put on sunday, the 24th, the morning after that letter came out, i called the department of justice and i pressed for them to release our introductions. in fact, we redacted them that day and sent them over that day and asked they be released. we considered other steps, ultimately, we went with the

letter that bob sent on wednesday. >> so, andrew, take us behind the scenes here, about the debate whether to subpoena the then president. >> look, we wanted to speak with the president. we thought it was important to understand what his intent was, in taking various actions. like firing james comey, was it because of the russia investigation. and we also wanted to know and question him about the different context that members of his campaign had had with various russian or russian intermediaries, he made it clear through his lawyers that he was not going to testify willingly. we considered a subpoena. the difficulty is that, by the time of the investigation where a subpoena would have been the right thing to do, it was very late in the investigation. at that point, we had information from a lot of other sources about the president's intent and state of mind. and a subpoena would have dragged the investigation out for, possibly, a year or two. and we may never have heard from the president.

and so, we made the decision not to subpoena him. >> so, aaron, given the pass passage of time, and it seems like a century ago that we were talking about this as a live news event. >> yeah. >> but given the passage of time and the events that occurred within that time, all the charges that could have been leveled against then president trump, many of them could still be leveled today, i would assume, despite maybe a statute of limitations running on them. but what would happen today, given the supreme court's decision on presidential immunity? >> it's hard to know with certainty. but you're right, it's unclear that anything could actually proceed at this point. recent supreme court decision is that the president is immune from official actions. and a lot of what we were examining probably fall within the ament of official actions.

and it's unclear much of what we did could have been investigated. and real question whether any of that could actually be charged. >> so andrew, sitting there, all of the work that the group did, all the work, it's still there, still could be looked the if not for the supreme court decision. how does that fit into the energy you that two put into the investigation? >> one reason we wrote the book was to show, i think, in very clear terms what the investigation was really about. how we made the decisions we made during that period of time. and to look back at the facts that we looked at and uncovered. that russia did in fact enter near in a very sweeping day. the fact that russian intelligence hacked into accounts and stole emails in order to hurt hillary clinton and help donald trump.

we detailed that in the book. in a way to try to bring back what it was we thought the investigation found. >> mike, do you mind if i add to that? one thing i'd add, the essentially mechanism of this book, it's critical there be a mechanism for that, whether it be donald trump or another president. that's the central message. >> it's become gospel within the maga world that the investigation was quote, a hoax. russia, russia, they didn't find anything on me. the fact they didn't find anything despite the catalogs of obstruction we found and cataloging what you started to lay out here, andrew, what in fact russia did do leading to the 2016 election. just to be clear, studying this as much as anybody on the planet, what is your idea that the russian interference in the

election of 2016 was a hoax? >> look, it's a problem. it's clearly not a hoax. the findings of the investigation has a long-term effect. russia is interfering in the election now by all accounts. intelligence reports are showing it. the department of justice is bringing cases that show russian interference. and americans should know what a foreign power is doing to try to affect our elections. we don't want our elections to be decided by a foreign adversary. we want elections to be decided by fellow americans. >> the only thing i would add to that, one of the critical ways we can defend against foreign election interference is by understanding and knowing that it's happening. so the message is, this is happening, be aware. >> all right. the new book "interference, the inside story of trump, russia and the mueller investigation" is on sale. coauthors andrew goldstein and aaron zebley, thank you for coming on the show this morning.

still ahead on "morning joe" we're going to speak with democratic senator richard blumenthal after the senate boosted a bill for trump's secret service investigation. and also ahead, stacey abrams, she'll join the conversation with her new book "stacey speaks up" which empowers children. "morning joe" will be right back. right back

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three hits and a run over seven innings of work. and the braves improved their playoff hopes with a 5-1 win over the new york mets last night. pivotal for both teams. braves one game behind the mets and half game behind d'backs who lost to the giants, all this in the battle for the national league's final two wildcard spots. over in the american league, the houston astros, a.l. west champions for the fourth consecutive year earned their second division crown in the last eight seasons. many of them tainted, of course, with a 4-3 win own the seattle mariners last night. trailing the mariners by ten games june 18th. astros boast best of three wild. number six seed being an opponent coming from the group of royals, tigers, twins. and in the bronx, the yankees celebration holds at least one more night, after a 5-3 loss to

the orioles, the o's win with a loss to the marlins, secures baltimore a second straight trip to the postseason. yankees walked off a playoff berth last week, can win the division, though, which is one more victory and really playing for home field in the playoffs if they can get it. in detroit, pitching the tigers to a 2-1 is win over the tampa bay rays and the tigers are tied with the kansas city royals for the second and third wildcard spots and two games head of minnesota twins. whew. so, mike barnicle, there's a lot to sort through last night. first of all, the padres have been incredible. the mets slipping a little last night, but still in good shape, two more to play in atlanta. >> watch out for the padres, they're a legitimate dark horse. very good team. i was flipping between three or four baseball games last night.

and i've got to tell you, the thing that resonated in my mind, and jonathan, i think you'll agree with me, how do the atlanta braves keep coming up with the pitching they come up with. why aren't more teams calling atlanta and saying what are you guys doing. they've been bereft of it a legitimate win for quite some time. but the young pitching that the braves come up with astounds me. >> red sox have won four in a row, too little, too late for them. the braves, they've had so many injured. they lost their best pitcher. and they're on the precipice of a playoffs. weather is going to play a role this final week. that hurricane heading to the gulf coast. there may be rainouts and doubleheaders potentially for the end of the week. what a couple of great races. i think we should open with the detroit tigers. >> oh, i love the tigers. >> yeah, the tigers dead and

buried at the all-star break were stellar. they paraded away their best pitcher but they've got a shot in october. >> you got to love the tigers. and how about a shutout -- >> willie -- the longtime voice of red sox announcer moved to san diego a few years ago, still missed by the fan base. and perfect, what a call last night on a triple play to clinch a season berth. just a spectacular moment. and let's ask you, how are we feeling, yankees right now, they're going to win the a.l. east. >> yep. >> batted number one, some questions going into the postseason, judge, after a couple weeks, where he couldn't hit a thing might be heating up. >> he hit another home run last night. he's hitting all year. he had that two-week slide there. the bullpen is what you worry about. have they found a starting pitcher. they playing much better.

you want home field through the playoffs and this is just a fascinating playoff. so many teams, they've been amazing for the tigers, watch out for them. the padres right now, look like they're playing the best baseball as anybody. >> about as wide open october as we've had in a wild. >> exactly. a little news from world of football, hall of fame quarterback brett favre announced he has parkinson's. he revealed that yesterday in testimony on capitol hill on a case moving money to his own pocket. >> i also lost investment in a company that believed was developing a breakthrough concussion drug. i thought would help others. i'm sure you'll understand while it's too late for me because i've recently been diagnosed

with parkinson's, this is also news near and dear to my heart. >> yeah. that's not information that most fans through. favre played 20 seasons mostly for the green bay packers, of course, he retired 13 years ago. in a 2022 interview, he estimated he suffered thousands of concussions over his years in football. several studies found a single concussion can raise a person's risk of being diagnosed with parkinson's by more than 55%. favre saying famously he wouldn't let his son play football, given everything he knows with his experience. and we wish him well as he deals with his parkinson's disease. coming up, we'll talk to tim ryan about the state of the campaign, as well as the impact of donald trump's rhetoric in his home state of ohio. congressman ryan, next, on "morning joe." ♪♪ whenever heartburn strikes,

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some more political news. a new poll found that 64% of people want to see another debate between kamala harris and donald trump. while the other 36% are donald trump. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> i'm good. i'm totally good. no thanks. >> that i can take you on our campaign plane and give you the perspective that i've gotten in the past seven weeks. it's the coolest -- other than being a wife to this beautiful lady here and father to these two kids. the greatest honor of this life running for this office. >> what an unexpected delight this jd vance has turned out to be. everything he says it wrong but he is a wonderful wife, give him that. welcome back to "morning joe." it's wednesday, september 25th, mike barnicle and jonathan

lemire are still with us. we have the host of podcast on donny deutsch, on donny deutsch. and chair of the republican national committee, michael steele, and another special guest, joe scarborough. vice president kamala harris continues campaigning and she will make a stop in pittsburgh, where her team says she will give a major speech outlining her economy. she previewed that speech on sunday. >> it's about what we can do more to invest in the aspirations, ambitions and dreams of the american people. while addressing the challenges that they face. whether it be the high price of groceries or the difficulty in being able to acquire home ownership. >> harris campaign has been pushing hard to close the gap between the vice president and former president donald trump on who americans trust more, to handle the economy.

meanwhile, donald trump delivered what was billed as a speech on the economy yesterday in savannah, georgia. where he continued to pitch tariffs as a way to lower costs for americans. >> if you don't make your product here, then you will have to pay a tariff, a very substantial tariff, when you send your product into the united states. and, by the way, you know, for years, they knocked the word "tariff" properly used is a beautiful word. one of the most beautiful words i've ever heard. it's music to my ears. a laud of bad people didn't like that word. now, they're finding out i was right. and we will take in hundreds of billions of dollars to our treasury and use that money to benefit the american citizens. and it will not cause inflation, by the way. >> okay. so, joe, he says a lot of people really like that word. except for "the wall street journal" editorial board.

just except that. >> except for conservatives, except for "the wall street journal" editorial board. and except for business owners. and except for consumers. you look at consumers, and you read "the wall street journal" editorial page today, you know, it should be read by all of these people who say, oh, oh, you know, donald trump was president for four years. we know what we're going to get. yeah, you're going to get january 6. but actually what "the wall street journal" editorial page says, it's going to get a lot worse. you know what i noticed, willie, you had donald trump speech actually shot down by commentators on fox news after it was done. you had somebody in the former trump administration trying to say what a great speech it was, and how granular it was. and the host and another guest shot back, said all he did was insult kamala harris with that home attack, and communist

kamala. as a marxist. well, "the wall street journal" lays it out pretty clearly here. when talking about donald trump's economic plans. headline, deer in trump's headlights. hard to believe but donald trump is giving u.s. companies a reason to think kamala harris might be better for their business. let me read that again -- for "the wall street journal" editorial page -- and you can take this picture down. because it's kamala harris that "the wall street journal" says donald trump is making business owners think is actually going to be better for their businesses. they say, hard to believe that donald trump is giving u.s. companies a reason to think kamala harris may be better for their business. his threats helped democrats argue that miss harris would be

friendlier, yes, to business. and, you know, willie, he is so dumbed-down his already inane economic policies that now it all comes down to tariffs. >> yeah. >> and he says, oh, tariffs -- tariffs will not hurt middle class people. they will not be inflationary. yes, they will. he can't reverse the laws of economics any more than he can reverse the laws of physics. and so, all he does is -- ask him about child care. he talks to you about tariffs. ask him about job us, he talks about tariffs. ask about the deficit, he talks about tariffs. and we're talking about massive tariffs, that earlier this year, "the wall street journal" called the highest tax proposals of any political candidate out there. . >> just to underline what you said about "the wall street

journal," donald trump threatened a 200% tariff on john deere, a great american company that moved a factory to mexico. 200%. of course that all gets passed on as "the wall street journal" and many others have tried to explain to the public and perhaps donald trump that all gets passed on to the consumers. if your central argument if this election is that prices are too high and they're still too high, boy, this is the opposite of what you want to do inflationary tariffs that are going to end up costing more that led the fed to cut rates because they think they had a dent in inflation. don't take our word for it. just ask senator mitch mcconnell who was asked yesterday about trump's plan to raise tariffs. >> i'm not a fan of tariffs. they raise the prices for american consumers. i'm more of a free trade kind of

republican. that remembers how many jobs are created by the exports that we engage in. so, i'm not a tariff fan. >> not a tariff fan said mitch mcconnell yesterday. let's bring into the conversation, former democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio. he ran against jd vance for the u.s. senate in 2022. congressman, great to have you back on the show. so much to talk about. but let's start right there, you live and have led for a long time, a manufacturing state. what is the impact of tariffs on the economy there? >> i think you guys summed it up clearly. let's not rule out there is a place for targeted tariffs over the years when they were putting steelworkers out of business attacks american steel companies. there's room for targeted tariffs to try to level the playing field.

that they're manipulating their currency. they have no child labor laws. their labor costs are much, much cheaper than here in the united states. so there's room for that. but the reality is a 200% tariff across the board is going to hit people really, really hard. and there's no getting around that. i think this is part of him just throwing whatever he can at the wall and seeing what sticks. and he knows that tariffs and taking on china is kind of a sweet spot for him. i think he's going to continue going back there. >> he also doesn't understand policy. so he just keeps repeating this over and over again. donny deutsch, i wonder what your friends that we talk about all the time, who -- oh, kamala is a communist, kamala is this, kamala is that. breaking records every day. the dow continues to make your friends richer and richer every day. they can -- you know, they can stroll through central park.

they can play golf. they can go play putt-putt golf, bowl, whatever they want to do. they can just do that and look at their phone and see their stock skyrocketing. and here are the same people saying kamala harris is bad for the economy. kamala is a socialist. kamala is a da, da, da -- we don't need "the wall street journal" to tell us this. but it certainly helps with your friends when "the wall street journal" editorial board says this. hard to believe that donald trump is gives u.s. companies to think kamala harris might be better for your business. now, what do your friends -- where do they go when even "the wall street journal" -- which "the journal" editorial page has been pretty consistent on this. when they are saying, donald trump is going to be bad for american business. donald trump is going to be bad for u.s. trade. donald trump is going to be bad for free markets.

and silly me, conservatives like me, we kind of like the free market. >> yeah. a lot of them are my ex-friends, by the way. i think elise jordan is going to be doing a focus group with a dozen of my friends. we'll put it on display. certainly can match. it is amazing, i think they're fixated on just -- they think they're going to get some crazy weed tax break. when i say to them things like as you just said, look at your stock market portfolio, look at jobs, look at wages, look at gdp. look at any measure of economy, particularly your pocket, they kind of glaze over. and they don't kind of -- they don't have a response. yeah, well -- you know, you know, you know -- there is no response. interesting, going back to tariffs, i think it's an interesting play for the democrats too, because, obviously, kind of the real scary thing for democrats is the price and affordability of

things. go out and say, my opponent, donald trump is going to tar and this nice mug that you can get for $5 is now going to cost you $15. use tariffs against him. >> so, michael steele, donald trump is selling coins. >> selling coins. >> he's doing the trump coin or something. i don't know. he is going on what they call a news network and giving money to people in grocery stores to pay for their groceries. so there's the actual, like -- let me give you something for your vote. but then there's tariffs. >> yeah. >> explain how this gets to the american people, in a way that they can tangibly understand. because while inflation is going down, people are still feeling the pinch. >> i think donny put his finger

on it, in a real world sense. that you have to put it in a perspective that people kind of recognize every day. so, they know what the price of eggs are. they know what the price of eggs was. and they know what their budgets are. and even while, when you look at the inflation rate versus the amount of dollars that they now get in their paycheck. and they're getting more in their paycheck, that's still not translating at the supermarkets. so i think there's a real conversation which is why kamala harris is going to do in laying this plan out with a degree of specificity that will allow her to sort of connect the dot, that final dot, between the price you pay and the price you're going to pay under donald trump's plan. >> yeah. >> you cannot tariff your way to prosperity. i'm sorry, child care is not just child care. >> right, right. >> you know. and you can't pay for child care

through tariffs. >> right. >> so donald trump's answer to everything is tariffs. so like donny said, if that's his answer to everything. okay, baby boo, let's talk about what that tariff will do. let's talk about what it will do to the price of gas. to the price of sugar, what it will do to the price of cereal. then let's talk about the impact it may have on your job. let's talk about the impact it may have within the economy within your own community. and then you begin to give it fresh perspective that just saying the word "tariff" doesn't necessarily do it. because people think tariff is something over there. something else. >> right. >> and yes, it's a tax that's imposed on somebody producing out of the united states shipping products in. but they pass that price on to you. that tax is passed on to you. putting it in that perspective.

donald trump wharton called it for whatever degree they gave you back, baby, you have no idea how the american economy works. >> there you go. joe. >> no idea at all. there are professors from wharton, and there are 400 economists who have come out and decided, mika, they're going to endorse kamala harris' economic policies. >> i saw that. >> over donald trump, donald trump's policy risk reigniting inflation and the domestic standing in domestic stability. nonpartisan research has predicted if donald trump successfully enacts his agenda, it will lower gdp growth and increase the unemployment rate. of course, with these tariffs other groups of economists have come out and said it will cause inflation to skyrocket. >> i mean, agenda, if that's what you call it. and if you can actually believe him, because he changes on everything. but that's for a different conversation. also in that speech yesterday, donald trump continued to demonize migrants, legal

migrants in towns in both colorado and ohio. take a look. >> criminal havoc throughout the country, aurora, colorado, you saw that where venezuela gangs are taking over real estate. they've become real estate developers. no, they're taking over real estate. and they have weapons that even our military hasn't seen. in springfield, ohio, so you have a town of 50,000 people. they have 32,000 migrants put into the town almost overnight. and the people are so nice. you know, they want to be nice. they say, well, we're -- the mayor is actually looking for interpreters. he's looking all over for interpreters. because they can't understand -- the language is totally different. what the hell. i'm sorry. you have to move the people back to the country from which they came. >> so much wrong in there, congressman ryan. we can go through it. for one thing, the mayor of

aurora, colorado, has come out and said we arrested ten gang members. we're not overrun by gangs. our city has not been taken over. but donald trump has latched on to this thing that has taken on a life of its own and certain media on certain front pages of certain newspapers and made it a thing which brings us to springfield, ohio, your home state, and the lie at the very center of everything going on there. about haitian here legally, under protected status, eating dogs and cats, and that hasn't stopped jd vance from pushing this. what's going on and what's happening to the people there? >> it's such a tragic -- i come from outside of youngstown, ohio, old industrial town. springfield has had hard times. they're trying to repopulate, rebuild. the business owners want these workers. the republican represented that

area for a long time said there's zero problem. were they trying to assimilate -- yes, do they need help with health care and housing? yes, there are issues. and the people love the haitian immigrants who came. i think this is an indicator, willie, just how crass donald trump and jd vance are. they don't give a damn about who they use, which bodies they step over in the process to gain power. and i think it's sickening that they would use these immigrants. all they want to do is scare people. they want to scare us about immigrants. they want to scare everybody about the liberals trying to get you. transgender coming to get you. world war iii is going to happen. the economy is going to collapse. it's so fear-based. i think they're two scared little boys that want everybody else to be scared with them. how hard is it going to be, i spent 20 years in congress, joe, you remember this, so many of

your job is that. can you imagine a sitting senator in your state actually destroying the well-being of a community for your own political purpose. your job is to represent these people. your job is to stick up for these communities and you're destroying them. and it's sickening to watch this happen. because i know, and many others watching this program know, how difficult it is after 30, 40, 50 years of globalization, automation, for these communities trying to rebuild. here they are, successful republican mayor, working with republican business people. democratic workers, immigrant workers, and you go in and you torch the place. i think this is an indicator for most americans, if you want to look at what the character of these two gentlemen is, and i say that term loosely, if you want to see their character, you're seeing it with this issue. >> also, ideology, michael steele, back, when i was a republican, we republicans, we

like businesses growing. we like -- we would not let a made-up culture war get in the way of businesses on the ground. what do we always say -- we always said that the best social program was a job. right? >> uh-huh. >> and that's what's happening in springfield. and when you talk to the small business owners there, when you talk to the people there, they will tell you, their economy has been revived by legal immigrants coming in. working hard. you know, pursuing the american dream. they're doing -- why this is so radical, nobody could see this coming except -- well, everybody. ronald reagan. in his farewell speech on january 19th, 1989, he said exactly what people in springfield are saying, who are those business owners, we are

revived. we are made younger. we're on the cutting edge when we have immigrants coming to our country, building on the american dream. chasing the american dream. taking the jobs that a lot of americans don't want. that's what the business owners are saying. that's what the fact owneory ow are saying they work at their stations, they work hard. they grow the business, they grow the economy. that's exactly what they're doing. donald trump is going in and jd vance carpet bombing with rhetoric. trying to scare people away from springfield. trying to square people away from aurora, colorado, when the mayors of those towns, the small business owners of those towns say, hey, not only are we fine, we're getting better. because these legal immigrants have come in and they're working hard. and going and they're chasing the american dream. and that's lifting all of us up. that's lifting our economy up.

that's lifting local restaurants up. that's lifting the real estate market up. i mean, oh, my gosh, well, that sounds like the free hand of capitalism working. >> yeah, it's amazing what markets do. and especially what markets do in the hands of the immigrant who comes here looking to fulfill a dream. coming to take advantage of the opportunities that everyone else here has. asking for no more or no less. the immigrants into the communities we're talking about, particularly in springfield, they investmented invested in that community and the community invested in them. so much so they were actually flying the flag for haitian immigrants in their own community. they were taking advantage of the businesses they were opening. they weren't just working for people in the community.

they were opening up businesses. that those in the community could come and take advantage of, the services that they offered, the food that they provided, et cetera. and yet, you have two outsiders who took a lie and have twisted that lie to the point where it foments hate and mistrust. and fuels a negative economy. and that is -- that is what donald trump is all about. it's about a negative economy. it's a negative conversation. it's a negative -- you know, moment, in which you realize, oh, wow, things are really bad. but then you stop, and you go, wait a minute, but i'm working. i have an opportunity. and i'm taking advantage -- >> yeah. >> -- of what others are bringing to my community that we didn't have. springfield had lost a lot of its population. it went from 80,000 down to

50,000. and this community was welcomed there. and donald trump has spat on their achievements and spat on their opportunity. and america should be ashamed of the former president. >> it is shameful. one more for you, tim ryan, ohio's republican senate nominee bernie merino is facing bipartisan backlash for his recent comments on abortion. at a campaign on friday, moreno said single women on abortion. take a listen to his remarks. the audio is a bit muffled but we have the words on the screen as well. >> there's a lot of single issue you know, the left has a lot of single issue waters, sadly by the way, there's a lot of suburban women a lot of suburban women that are like, listen, abortion is it.

if i can't have an abortion in this country wherever i want, i will vote for anybody else. okay? a little crazy, by the way, for women over, past 50, i'm thinking to myself, i don't think that's an issue. >> i've got to take that in. nikki haley posted, are you trying to lose the election? asking for a friend. but out a statement, blah, blah, blah, about the tongue in cheek joke. that was not a joke. and donald trump said he wants to be the protector of women. he went on and on about that. with these guys, bernie moreno. we've seen what happens when donald trump says he is the protector of women. i think any woman who voted for

him in 2016 and 2020 has a lot of carnage, literally, to look at. in terms of what he's done to women. you could look at january 6. you could look at covid deaths because he didn't tell anyone about it. but for women, for improving our lives, 50 years of rights are gone. health care that came along with those rights, gone. and he bragged about it. he bragged about taking away our protections, our ability to have lifesaving health care. by the way, women of all ages need that type of health care for many different reasons. i know a lot of republicans don't understand the way a woman's body works. but why would we want donald trump to protect us after that? a man found liable for defamation of a woman. a man find liable, by a jury of his peers, of sexual abuse on a

woman. a judge called it rape. it seems to me, tim ryan, that we need protection from donald trump. am i wrong? >> i think you're 100% right, mika. and i think this is one -- just another example, what bernie moreno said, and jd vance has a long list of this, so does trump. you say this crazy stuff when you're like in your right-wing, you know, echo chamber or you're drinking really expensive bourbon with your friends at the country club or wherever you drink expensive bourbon. and then you say it in public, and it doesn't make any sense. you get this backlash. there is a line of thinking in the current trump maga world that does not resonate with most americans. and it's on the tariff piece. it's on the immigration piece. it's on the protecting women piece. and i will tell you, even in ohio, i think this is a huge opportunity tour sherrod brown

who is neck and neck with bernie moreno in that senate race. i think this is a great opportunity. i live in a county that is actually a republican county but with abortion on the ballot in november, that initiative, pro-choice initiative won with 57% of the vote. and it won with 57% of the vote in the state of ohio. abortion being pro-choice, protecting a women's right to choose. even in the state of ohio which most people would perceive to be a red state, it is 57% in favor of women. so, these guys just keep walking the plank. most people are tolerant. they're good people. they just want a good job, they want to live their lives. women want health care and the opportunity to make their own health care decisions. and people are going to trample all over that. that's why it's so important to get sherrod brown elected. >> i said before, women are going to decide this election.

i want to focus on women becoming advocates and pushing men. i'd like to get inside every household where there's a debate where a woman who has daughters worried about her own body or her best friend's body, and challenge men, what kind of man are you? step up. >> and he brags about grabbing our bodies. donny deutsch, former democratic congressman of ohio, tim ryan, thank you both. appreciate you're being on this morning. >> thank you. still ahead on "morning joe," ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy will address the united nations general assembly this morning, as he seeks to ratchet up global support in the fight against russia. nbc's keir simmons will join us with more on what to expect at the u.n. today. but first, voting rights advocate stacey abrams is standing by. she joins us on the state of the presidential race and where

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marjorie, they're on fire. they're doing a great job. three members, jonas johnson, rick jeffries and janelle king, three people, are all pit bulls fighting for honesty, transparency and victory. they're fighting. >> that was donald trump in atlanta last month, praising the state's republican-led election board for pushing to enact a new rule that some critics say would make counting ballots harder in the state. now, after a vote on friday, that rule will soon be law. joining us now, best-selling author voting rights activist and former georgia minority house leader, stacey abrams. her new book entitled "stacey speaks up," we'll get to that in a moment, stacey. a lot to get to. first of all, how do you feel of

the integrity of georgia's vote ahead of the elections right now? >> unfortunately, we are once again, headed towards a confrontation where we pit democracy against those who do not want it to be made manifest. the state election board is taking actions that are patently unlawful, and are designed to create a sell point in our system. the challenge is, we think about voter suppression, can you religion sister and stay on the rolls, can you cast a ballot, and the third one can that ballot be counted? and they're doing their best to ensure that ballots don't get counted at least counted towards certification. so they've done two things. one is give individual members of election boards the ability to not certify. and the second is the new hand count rule which on its face may seem benign, think about the fact they're allowing three people to count to what will amount to in each precinct in put itten county, that's more than 500,000 votes, gwinnett

county, 400,000, dekalb county, 300,000. they've got to count every one of those ballots. that's going to delay and possibly demain the integrity of the ballot. that's not the goal. the goal is to cause so much chaos that we don't count georgia's votes and that should be deeply concerning to everyone because what starts in georgia unfortunately goes everywhere. >> what we've seen is the republican there believing that should be. and is there anything that can be done to push this effort, give us a chance of where things stand in georgia right now? >> well, we need the governor to step up, governor brian kemp has the authority to at least call for hearings which he's declined to do so far. we know the attorney general does not believe this is lawful action and yet, they're not taking any action to reverse it. so we're calling on the governor

to pick a side. we are less than 50 days out from this election. we need the governor to take action. and we need -- democrats and republicans are calling on action, making certain that we can fix this problem. because this can have a cataclysmic affect. >> all right. let's move to the issue of abortion, stacey. "the atlantic" has reporting on the death of a 28-year-old medical assistant, a mother, who opted to end a pregnancy, but had to travel out of state to receive reproductive health care. afterwards, when she returned home to georgia she started bleeding. and the medical care that she desperately needed did not come in time. the piece is entitled "the woman killed by the dobbs decision." and it reads some tragedies are impossible to prevent or even to predict. the death of amber nicole thurman was not. she was perhaps the first woman

killed by the overturning of roe v. wade. she tried to get her appointment, got caught in traffic. they prescribed her abortion pills. and continued back home. thurman's bleed would go not stop. she went to the hospital at 6:51 p.m. on august 18th, and medical examination showed all the classic signs that her abortion was incomplete. and that the tissue remaining inside her was poisoning her blood. but doctors did not give her a d & c. nor did they do so the next morning. as her condition worsened. when she was finally taken to the operating theater at 2:00 p.m., her condition was so bad that doctors started to remove her bowel and uterus, but it was too late. thurman's heart stopped on the operating table. stacey, donald trump brags about

overturning roe, he also says he's the protector of women. your thoughts given this reporting? >> this motion that health care should be determined state by state is an abomination. what we saw happen to amber thurman is that she went to a state where it was legal to get health care, when she returned to georgia because of donald trump, because of brian kemp, she could not get treatment. the doctors who could have saved her life did not know they had the right to do so because she crossed state lines to do so because they came back to georgia. we cannot have different sets of rules. we need one set of rules. no matter where we are in geography, we're still americans entitled to health care and sanctity of our bodies and entitled to survive a decision to control our futures. >> yeah. this is a nightmare. this is the carnage he created. you would think this would be a

jump, but it's actually not, the book, stacey, speaks up. i love the concept. i also think it's important to start young girls at a very young age of learning to speak up about themselves. you can tell us about it. >> this is the third book in the series, this is about stacey being in the cafeteria and seeing a young classmate who can't afford lunch. i wanted to focus on an issue that feels accessible to kids but also empathy and advocacy. you have to care about people even if it's not an issue you face. but then you have it do something. i want to empower young kids when they see injustice, a rule that doesn't seem fair, you can speak up, bring your friends together and you, too, can make a change. >> new book is "stacey speaks up." stacey abrams, thank you for being on the show. and congratulations on the new book. coming up, a bipartisan report is exposing more of the

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assassination attempt against donald trump in butler, pennsylvania, back in july. nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles reports. >> reporter: this morning, new revelations about the first assassination attempt against former president trump. in a new senate report details about the widespread communication breakdown between law enforcement agencies back in july, that left a rooftop unprotected at a pennsylvania rally, allowing an alleged assassin to fire multiple shots at the former president, injuring his career. >> we wouldn't identify -- we had to sign off on the plans. clearly the plan had major flaws it in. >> reporter: according to the report, secret service first learned of a strange man with a range finder 20 minutes before the incident took place. seven minutes earlier than originally thought. and also found the shoot was on the roof two minutes before the

shooting took place but failed to rush trump off the stage. the report also found that secret service and local law enforcement were operating on different radio channels. their on communication, via cell phone. they were also dealing with technical problems including a delay until flying a surveillance drone above the rally site. >> shooter put up a drone earlier in the day, they probably would have noticed that. >> reporter: and a new round of charges against a plan plotting a second assassination attempt against former president trump, ryan routh is facing five felonies including attempts assassination of a major president candidate. and an alarming incident in tempe, arizona for the harris/walz. staff discovered bullet holes in a house that houses the campaign in the area.

including volunteers. no one was hurt and police are investigating. >> nbc's ryan nobles reporting. joining us, democratic senator richard blumenthal from connecticut. he's a member of the committee that released the report on former president trump. senator, thanks for being with us this morning. you've seen the details of this report. you all did your work. what jumps out to you, is it the communication factors? is it the fact that secret service asked butler for more resources to protect donald trump and was denied? what's the head line here? >> what we really have here is accumulation of errors that produced a perfect storm, stunning failure. and it was, perhaps, no single cause, but eliminating any one of them might have actually saved those individuals who were harmed. or one killed. and the president from that injury. thereof was no chain of command. no point pointing of

responsibility which i think is at the core of these failures. but also, there was a lack of resources. no operable radio. no drone detection system. no countersurveillance unit. and, so, i think the secret service certainly needs more resources. but management failures are at the heart of this failure. >> you know, senator, president trump and president biden, other presidents have always praised the secret service for their loyalty and for their work under the hard work. and i think you do, too. i do as well. this butler, pennsylvania, incident, though, stands out in so many ways. i just want to walk through these. you talked about some of them. one, of course, the rooftop being left open. inexcusable. a straight shot to the former president. they knew of the dangerous suspect 27 minutes before the shooting. and for some reason didn't coordinate and communicate to take care of that. and then this is the part that

i'm wondering what you learned about this. in any past assassination attempt where there is a president or a presidential candidate, that politician, their head is shoved down. they are rushed into an awaiting car and whisked out of harm's way. with donald trump, they didn't take him off the stage two minutes before hand, when they had reason to. and then after the shooting without knowing there's a third shooter there, right, he goes, hey, let me get my shoes. they let him get his shoes. he stands up. he starts waving at the crowd. his head is above secret service members. i counted on this show, repeatedly, a "wall street journal" video, that they had posted, ten seconds, his head was exposed waving to the crowd.

raising his fist to the crowd. this is what politicians do. but it is not what secret service members allow people to do. i want to know, was that a breakdown in training? how in the world did that happen? and how can we make sure that in the future, if a politician is shot at, secret service members, what they will do in the future, what they once did in the past. and that is push the politician's head down, shove them into a car and whisk them away, instead of -- instead of keeping him exposed for another 30 seconds. well, he gets to the car and then stands up and waves to the crowd. >> your point is profoundly important, joe. and it ought to be a lesson for secret service details in the future. first, i agree with you completely. secret service is filled with dedicated and skilled agents who have been thoroughly trained and

made great personal sacrifice and rick danger to themselves. but they need leadership and discipline and training in exactly that kind of situation. what we found here was the lack of a chain of command. nobody in charge. and that kind of leadership failure seeps down to the level of the protective detail that is guarding the president. and has to tell him -- even if it's donald trump who relishing defying the norms, that he has to get his head down. and their job is to make sure that america's security is maintained. >> right. >> because that's their assignment in that situation. >> exactly. that's their job. it's not the politician's job to do it. it's not 9/11, they basically told bush to go back sit down and shut up. we will get you someplace safe and keep aalive. so i am wondering, we have heard

a lot of different theories where some are less experienced than, say, others. how did this failure in training happen so donald trump's head was exposed to the crowd to a second, third or fourth shooter? iran is not going to just have one shooter out there. they will have two or three. for all they knew, there was a second or third shooter. >> we were very lucky there was no second or third shooter and that a counter sniper team had been assigned for the first time to any presidential candidate, so that's the good news here. we're continuing our investigation into precisely the questioner raising, was it the b

team, was it the a team but simply a failure of communication to them about this suspicious individual with a range finder out there? was two minutes enough warning time? then when the actual shooting occurred did they take sufficient action quickly enough to safeguard the president, because that's their job. this kind of leadership failure, i think, requires fundamental and far-reaching reform. i am in favor of money but there has to be more management. i think in addition to what we have mentioned as the possible causes here, the threat level has to determine, not the office held or the individual, but the threat level, in this case the iranian threat was never communicated to the relevant people, and thomas crook was not tied to iran. there was no finding in our

report about that kind of threat underlying crooks' actions here, but the threat level has to be determined. you are absolutely right, the secret service has to regain the idea that their sole mission is to protect that person. >> and there's an ongoing inquiry into boeing and there will be a staff memo released. can you share more with us about that? >> the permanent sub committee under investigation, which i chair and which was involved in the investigation of the july 13th assassination attempt also has been investigating the boeing failures because it was putting speed of production and profits over safety, and we are going to put tough questions to the faa based on the memo we are

releasing today that shows that faa in many respect failed to do it job to ensure quality and safety. we want better audits without notice, and less reliance on boeing employees. one mechanic looking at the other mechanic's work to determine if whether, in fact, it meets the criteria. >> democratic senator, richard blumenthal of connecticut, thank you for coming on the show. >> always great to have senator blumenthal. michael steele, i want to go back to the golf course and assassination plot, and the secret service, their plans worked but they need more people to go around that parameter, and there's still more they could

have done but their plan worked on that day. michael, can you underline the danger to american democracy? can you underline the danger to this country if something were to happen to donald trump, if something were to happen to kamala harris? we are on edge politically as a nation and that is why it's so critical that donald trump's safety and kamala harris' safety and the vice presidential candidates' safety is paramount over the next 60 days. >> joe, you made a point that everybody has danced by and not really focused on what the lesson should be from both butler as well as trump's golf course incident that the safety and security of our presidential candidates and the president of the united states, joe biden, is

paramount, because as we saw in the aftermath of both of assassination attempts, the conspiracy theories and the scenarios, it's paramount that those charged with the protection of our president and vice president, the heads of our government, be on point. just my own opinion here, just watching this whole thing, that the behavior of the secret service of letting donald trump stand there and fist pump in the air, to me that shows a compromised detail where they have gotten in that orbit and in that trump bubble and they are all about the man and all of

that -- >> what he wants. >> what he wants them to do. >> yeah, that's not the job. i think that's another aspect that senator blumenthal is rightly with his committee looking into, not just, okay, the mechanics and the protocols and the process, but the personnel who are also assigned to this individuals. >> great. great questions. michael steele, thank you very much. ahead, we will explain how republicans in nebraska are taking a stand against trump that could have a significant impact on the november election. plus, we will have expert legal analysis by the former president's legal team to further delay the january 6th case. "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪♪

you know, mika, following up on what michael steele just said, if the secret service detail says our job is to keep you alive so you can run this country, the secret service, and i know that's how most of them are, and i have such great respect for them, and that day they were -- >> they were comprised. >> yeah, can i have my shoes? yeah. >> seriously.

>> it's very serious. >> we need a report on that alone, what happened on that stage alone of letting him do that. more politics ahead. also ahead, margot robbie had a monster hit with the breaking success of the "barbie" movie, and now she's taking on broadway producer. that's next. we're back in 90 seconds. so, ? (♪♪) dove it new dove replenish your skin after every shave.

new york city officials said drivers should expect the slowest traffic of the year. you know traffic is slow when even biden is going, i'll just get out and walk. earlier today president biden attended the general assembly and delivered his final urn address, and he called on nation to ban together and he added, do whatever you want, i don't care anymore. >> good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, september 25th. we will bring you the big moments from president biden's final u.n. address calling for unity and partnership amid growing global turmoil. meanwhile, donald trump takes a tone on worldwide issues, and he's also doubling down on his

commitment to tariffs. we will play for you those comments. it all comes as vice president kamala harris is set to give a major economic address and close the gap on who americans trust more to handle the economy. along with willie and me, we have the host of way too early, jonathan lemire. mike barnicle is with us, and richard haus. he's the author of the weekly news letter "home and away." and chief white house correspondent of the times, peter baker is here with us this morning. a new poll finds vice president harris with the lead over former president trump. in the survey, harris leads trump by six points. 50% to 44% among likely voters

and that's within the margin of error. she leads by seven points among registered voters. an nbc news poll released earlier this week showed harris leading trump by five points, 49% to 44%. willie? >> yeah, it's one of those pick your polls. there was another poll yesterday, quinnipiac, that had them tied head to head. and those in the harris campaign don't believe it's a seven-point margin. donald trump saying again, migrants are taking over american towns. he says they are now using weapons so sophisticated our military has not seen them before. during a speech yesterday in savannah, georgia, trump continued to demonize migrants in colorado and ohio. >> criminal havoc throughout the

country, aurora, colorado, you saw that, where venezuelan gangs taking over real estate, and they became real estate agents. nice. in springfield, ohio, so you have a town of 50,000 people. they have 32,000 migrants put into the town almost overnight, and the people are so nice. you know, they want to be nice. they say, well, the mayor is looking for interpreters. he's looking all over for interpreters because they can't understand the language. what the hell. sorry. you have to move the people back to the country from which they came. >> the haitian immigrants he's talking about are here legally and under protected status, and he's talking about removing

legal immigrants. this is a strategy. this is at a speech. >> i have been watching trump rallies from the last six and seven months and it's a one-issue campaign. trump's speech, if it's about economy, foreign policy, about anything, it's really about immigration, immigration, immigration, crime, immigration, inflation immigration. it's what forms his whole campaign and motivates and he thinks he won in 2016 on the wall, and he's trying to replicate that. it's a very narrow argument he's making because a lot of people would like to hear more thoughtful conversation about the economy, but he will just

talk about springfield, ohio, or colorado. the places he's fixated on. >> trump once again undermined america's position supporting ukraine in its fight against russia. >> i will prevent world war iii. you are very close to world war iii. biden and kamala got us into the war in ukraine, and we can't get us out. we will, and he's been saying that for three years. every time zelenskyy comes to the united states, he walks away with $3 billion. i think he's the greatest salesman on earth. we got to get out. biden says we will not leave until we win. what happens if they win? that's what they do is they fight wars.

as somebody told me the other day, they beat hitler, they beat napoleon. it's what they do. they fight. it's not pleasant. >> okay. richard, i will let you take this one. >> gee, thanks. >> you're so welcome. again, who is this for? i would say globally it's shocking and frightening for our allies and friends and in terms of trying to move people in swing states, is this where they are? is he tapping into something? >> well, he is tapping into something, mika. it's one of the long traditions in america and it's a tradition of american isolationism. it's not worth it. it costs and takes resources away from what should be spent here, and that's essentially the

tradition he's tapping into, and we saw it before world war ii and at other times and it has come back with surprising intensity there. two things. when he talks about russia and he talks about napoleon, and that's when russia was invaded. that's what russia was on the defense. russia is fighting an offensive war of aggression, and it's hard for putin to do what stallin did and appeal to mother russia. trump makes one decent point and it's the question of what do we mean by winning? it came up in the debate and came up yesterday and came up in president biden's speech and came up with what president zelenskyy said. nobody is putting that on the table. what is an achievable goal in ukraine? if victory is to be defined, it's by many, mika. i understand the argument, and

the problem is it's not achievable. nobody is putting out there what is a realistic plan for victory. if we are going to spend all this money, what is our return on the investment? that's a conversation this administration has been reluctant to have now for 2 1/2 years, and the danger of not having that conversation, giving americans the achievable strategy in ukraine has allowed for donald trump to come into the conversation and say i will just end it. the ukrainian government and the administration has to fill the space. >> first, i was struck by the two clips we played with trump, and every word was a lie. there's not even a pretense of the truth there the way he depicted all of the scenes. but picking up on ukraine, mike, zelenskyy is meeting with president biden and harris

tomorrow in washington, and he's supposed to present a victory plan and details unclear except allowing ukraine to use american-made weapons, which the u.s. has been cautious about. there's no talk of diplomacy here. as we heard from president biden yesterday and then donald trump, such contrasting views of a future that will affect the entire globe? >> here's the situation, nobody in the united states or in ukraine, to my knowledge, has defined the word victory. we do know that russia has suffered enormous casualties. i don't think we can get a grip on the casualties russia

suffered. ukraine, on the other hand, they have fought nobly and the underdog, still, and they have to define what victory means, i would think. >> 100%. again, the refusal to do it. i understand the principle. nobody ought to be able to acquire a territory by force and ukraine is only one-third of russia's population. we need to have goals and foreign policy that are less desirable in principle, and otherwise you will have donald trumps of the world saying you are wasting money and throwing good after bad. it's a debate that promises an achievable goal in a reasonable amount of time. >> maybe president zelenskyy will begin to make that case today at his speech today, and

he will present what he's calling a victory plan. so to your point, richard. zelenskyy speaks today, and yesterday president biden spoke in what would be his final address to the general assembly. it was talking about russia's invasion of ukraine and the escalating conflict in the middle east. >> there will always be forces that pull our countries apart and the world apart, aggression, extremism, chaos and cynicism, and the desire to retreat from the world and go it alone, our task, our test, is to make sure the forces holding us together are stronger than those that are pulling us apart. the principles of partnership, that we came here each year to uphold can't withstand the challenges that the center holds

once again. my fellow leaders, i truly believe we're at another inflexion point of world history. the choices we make today will determine our future for decades to come. we stand behind the principles that unite us, and we end the -- putin's war has failed at his core aim. he set out to destroy ukraine but ukraine is still free. he set out to weaken nato but nato is stronger and more united than ever before with two new members, finland and sweden. we cannot let up. the world now has another choice

to make. will we sustain our support to help ukraine win this war and preserve its freedom or walk away and let the aggression be renewed and let a nation be destroyed. i know my answer. we cannot grow weary. we cannot look away. we will not let up on our support for ukraine, not until ukraine wins a justifiable peace. as we look ahead, let's address the rise of violence on palestinians on the western bank, and we need a two-state solution where the world will enjoy security and peace and normalized relations, and in a state of their own. >> peter baker, touching on all of the hot points, the flash points around the world right

now, but also in a moment that probably the speech will be remembered for, president biden talking about his decision to step aside and not run for a second term and said it was a very difficult decision after 50 years in public service, he said i love this job but i love my country more. in a message that could have been directed at the people in the room or perhaps to the republican candidate for president, he said some things are more important than staying in power. it's your people that matter the most. >> yeah, i think you are right. some of the people in that room, of course, have had power for an awful long time and don't plan to give it up anytime soon and he's offering himself for a model of how it ought to be done. you are right to say that's something he should be targeting at a domestic audience, and his predecessor and successor refused to give up power and he had a mob attack the capitol and

it's striking that an american president would have to make that point about an american democratic election and that's something we have not seen in our lifetime. he has spent 50 years on the stage and he cares a lot about foreign affairs. these are the people he spent his time working with not only has president, vice president, chair of the foreign relations committee, and for him foreign relations is the peak part of what it means. >> a lot of different crosscurrents of dynamics there. there were times when he talks about the forces pulling us together are stronger than the forces pulling us apart, and he's saying a lot of things like this in the speech that you could put right back here to this country. you wonder if he's talking about foreign affairs or domestic

affairs, vladimir putin or donald trump, literally, if you listen to the speech. willie, you mentioned a portion of the speech that struck you. let's listen to it. >> my fellow leaders, let us never forget some things are more important than staying in power. it's your people. [ applause ] >> it's your people that matter the most. never forget, we are here to serve the people, not the other way around. because the future will be won by those that unleash the full potential of their people to breathe free and think freely and innovate and educate and live and love openly without fear. that's the soul of democracy. it does not belong to anyone country.

>> jonathan lemire, another moment where you could apply it around the world or right here, and it seemed he was speaking to donald trump potentially? >> there are a lot of audiences for that line, domestic or foreign, and that line there about putting the people ahead of your own political power, also to benjamin netanyahu in israel who has not prioritized getting the hostages out. richard, let's talk about the middle east last night because that shadowed the president's speech last night. he made an argument that the world he inherited post trump was full of turmoil, and he announced again america's presence on the world stage. that, i think, is a universal agreement, and it's a safer place now than four years ago because of ukraine and the situation in the middle east and he urged hezbollah to de-escalate, and everything we see in the middle east these two

sides are heading closer to what could be an all-out war. >> that was the ying and yang of the speech. what we heard yesterday was the last speech by a cold war generation president. we will never hear that again. when he approaches the world it's through america's allies, and the centerpiece of his foreign policy is ukraine. the gathering of nato against aggression. that's the sweet spot for joe biden. again, he's of a generation where that comes nationally. donald trump is the same generation but just the opposite. we will never here exactly something like that again. the problem with the speech in part was, as you said, the world was a messier place than when he became president, and you have the middle east, and afghanistan, and that was a self-inflicted wound by trump and biden, and ukraine by putin,

and we have a problem now for nearly a year we have been urging the israelis to not do certain things or to do them differently and one of the closest allies rebuffed every piece of advice in the treaties, so what is happening is enormous. that's one of the problems with the biden foreign policy. he has not figured out how to close that gap. advice is not going to do it. he tried to hold back arms in gaza and that didn't turn things around and things are moving in a direction now with hezbollah where the chance of something really large is growing, and president biden doesn't have an answer to close the gap between what israel is doing and what the united states wants. >> thank you. the judge overseeing donald trump's election interference case gives special counsel jack smith permission to file a new

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nebraska's republican governor announced he will not call a special legislative session to change how his state awards electoral votes. the move comes as former president trump and his allies have been pushing to change nebraska to a winner take all system. nebraska currently splits its three electoral votes across its three congressional districts and typically the district that contains omaha votes blue giving democrats an electoral vote in the reliably red state. the push to change that failed when one senator with opposition being the election is so close. >> and the judge is allowing

smith and his team to file al presentation about why the supreme court's immunity decision should not lead to a dismissal of the charges. trump's attorneys fought the request arguing it could improperly influence the 2024 election. joining us now, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance, co-host of the sisters in law podcast. help us take a step back for our viewers. what exactly might we see in the 180-page brief that probably would be heavily redacted and might shed light on the case of the former president? >> the supreme court ordered judge tanya chutkan to create a record to buttress what charges and what evidence in this case is covered by their new presidential immunity doctrine.

the government has four counts in the indictment and lots of evidence to support it. she will have to go through that line by line and piece by piece and decide what can't be presented because presidential immunity prohibits it and what the government can use as it goes forward and ultimately the supreme court will be passing on her decision, and they are simply directing her to do what judges and lawyers do every day in cases across the country, develop the record that supports your decision-making process so we can review it on appeal. >> joyce, in addition to a lot of nuggets contained in the document, it will be sealed so we probably won't get leaks on it, but is there a timeline on when they case might pop out and go public? >> that's a great question, mike. i think what will happen here,

what jack smith indicated to the court in his motion to exceed the page limit last week, is that he will try to keep the sensitive information in the brief under seal. that should be one occasion in this case where donald trump doesn't fight the special counsel. everybody will want that protective order to stay in place. what we'll see, this will take us back to the mueller era, where we will see big black stripes on the pages concealing the parts you most want to read, and in terms of it coming out in the public's eye, that will certainly happen at trial. it may happen earlier, as there's briefing about issues. trump will move to dismiss the charges against him. we can expect for the moment that most of the juicy tidbits, for instance, jack smith picked

up any new cooperating witnesses, that will remain under seal. >> thank you very much for coming on. peter baker, i want to turn to something you wrote about liz cheney, and it checks to all of the legal cases and ongoing updates to these cases. most people cannot separate donald trump in some way, shape or form from january 6th, from liable for sexual abuse or liable of defamation and being a convicted felon. one of the argument sz perhaps there should be a new political party. i would counter that with isn't the only way -- there are two choices right now. >> yeah. >> and the republican party is led by somebody who is not a republican and continues to put out their anti-democratic values. i don't know how the republican party survives this and goes back to its traditional old school way of thinking and

behaving. isn't the choice for the long game if you want your republican party back, perhaps you lose this one but you get the opportunity to get the party back. how would you rebuild in this moment of division? >> that's liz cheney's point. i interviewed her at the caf times fest. liz cheney made clear she's voting for kamala harris as is her father, dick cheney, and they are republicans, and she says it's a binary choice. you have to choose between kamala harris and trump and for her there's no other choice because she knows donald trump was convicted and he encouraged

voters to ransack the capitol, and everything else is secondary to a guy that doesn't represent the constitution. when this is over, is the republican party capable of fixing itself in a post trump era, and she says maybe not because they subscribed themselves to donald trump and maybe it's time to think in her view of a new party that would represent -- some of the conservative values. historically, remember, donald trump changed parties five times, and he was for abortion then against abortion and for gun rights -- he's somebody that hijacked their party, and even jared kushner put it as a

hostile takeover. and she's saying that party is no longer viable after trump and we need to think about what comes next. >> peter baker, thank you for coming on this morning. coming up, our next guest served on robert mueller's investigation into the historic probe as well as concerns about this year's election, and a programming note. as we go to break, msnbc's stephanie ruhle will sit down today with an exclusive interview with vice president kamala harris. can you see it tonight on a special two-hour edition of "all in" with chris hayes right here on msnbc. ♪♪

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the order appointing the special counsel authorized us to investigate actions that could obstruct the investigation. we conducted that investigation and we kept the office of the acting attorney general apprised of the progress of our work. as set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said so. we did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime. >> so that was former special counsel robert mueller back in 2019 explaining his decision not to make a determination on whether then-president donald trump had committed federal crimes while in office. that historic decision is one of the topics discussed in the new book from three former prosecutors in mueler's office.

andrew, i will start with you. are americans misinformed about the outcome of the investigation? >> i think they are in part in the way that attorney general bill barr released the findings and put out a summary of the report before putting out what we had written so that the report and what we put out understated what the president did in the investigation and understated russia's interference and the trump's campaign willing to benefit from the interference. >> let's stay on that topic, the

attorney general whitewashing that and putting out that letter first. i recall the robert mueller team put out that investigation, and was there a push to say that's not the real story? >> there was. there were steps we took after that bill barr letter came out. i pressed for them to release our summaries and redactions and we sent them over and asked for them to be released, and ultimately we went with the letter that bob sent on wednesday. >> take us through the steps about the debate. >> we wanted to speak with the president and we thought it was important in what his intent was in taking actions, like firing james comey. was it because of the russia

investigation? we wanted to know the number of contacts members of his campaign had with russian immediate airies. at the time of the investigation where a subpoena would have been the right thing to do, it was late in the investigation. at that point we had information from a lot of other sources about the president's intent and state of mind and a subpoena would have dragged the investigation out for possibly a year or two. we may have never heard from the president so we made the decision not to subpoena him. >> so aaron, given the passage of time and it seems like a century ago we were talking about this as a live news event. >> yeah. >> and given the passage of time and the events occurred during that time, all the charges that could have been leveled against

then president trump, many could still be leveled today i assume. >> you are right. it's unclear anything could proceed at this point. the recent supreme court decision is that the president is immune from official actions and lot of what we were examining falls within the official action, and terminating a federal investigation of mike flynn, and there's a question of whether any of that could be charged. >> andrew, sitting there, all the work that the grou did, all the work that is still out there could still be looked at if not for the supreme court decision. how does that make you feel in

terms of the effort the entire team put into the investigation? >> one reason we wrote the book is to show in very clear terms what the investigation was really about, how we made the decisions we made during the period of time, and to look back at the facts that we looked at and uncovered, that russia did, in fact, interfere in a very sweeping way. russian military intelligence hacked into democratic party accounts and spread stolen emails in order to hurt hillary clinton and help donald trump. we detail that in the book in a way to bring back what we found. >> i want to add to that. it's crucial there's a method to investigating a sitting president. coming up, keir simmons

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taking off broadway by storm. the show entitled "the big gay jamboree" tells the story of a failed actress, stacy who realizes she has woken up, trapped in her worst nightmare, an old-fashioned golden age musical. joining us now, one of the producers of "the big gay jamboree," golden globe nominated actress margot robbie, and the show's star and co-creator, marla mandel. great to have you both. i have to ask, marla, you're the star and co-creator, co-writer and margot, how did you come together on this project? >> we tried to make it into a film about seven years ago and then actually get it off the ground, but years later, i'm in

new york and seeing her in the show "titanic" and i was sitting in the audience watching this performer impersonate celine dion and i was, like, oh, my gosh, that's marla. i reached out afterwards and we got chatting and she was, like, yeah, we adapted "big gay jamboree" to be an off broadway show similar to "titanic," and i was, like, great, do you need a producer? >> i love how things come together that way. marla, you co-created the show also with three of your best friends. this sounds like so much fun, with three of your best friends from college, one of the co-stars is alex moffett who played joe, my husband, on "snl." that was awkward for me. anywho, but what did you all set out -- okay, put that down, what did you all set out to create here? >> you know, i grew up such a

fan of golden age musicals. i came out of the womb with jazz hands, so really i just wanted to create an old-fashioned, good old-fashioned musical with nostalgia and heart and great songs, but also i wanted to give it an irreverent campy spin. i think we have done that with this. it is so much fun. >> the show often breaks the fourth wall, marla. i want to hear about that. and also what you hope audiences feel walking out of this show. >> well, yes, we break the fourth wall a lot. i did that in "titanique" as well. the audiences loved it so much. you never knew what to expect. we break the fourth wall because my character, stacy, is trapped literally in the orpheum theater. she has to use the audience to help her get out. i hope what people see it is just such fun, it has a ton of

heart, you're going to get that nostalgia from an old-fashioned musical, but also going to laugh your butt off because it is so funny. so, i'm hoping people are just blown away when they walk in, thinking they're going to see a little off broadway show and they're going to see a huge broadway musical. >> and marla, you got margot robbie as its producer. she is so amazing. and it is, like, i'm wondering what it is like working with margot robbie. is it babylon meets i tonya or barbie or all in one? >> it is even better. i'll never forget, i saw margot in the audience, i was playing the guitar and i see her face and i'm, like, oh, my god, is that margot, she'll never remember me and then i get an email, hey, it is margot robbie, i thought it was spam. i said should i open this email. they're, like, please do. it was actual margot robbie. she was, like, i loved

"titanique," what are you working on and it has been a dream come true. >> what made you reach out and actively go after it? is it the fun, the talent that you saw? you could do anything. >> all of the above. i mean, marla has such an original voice. if you haven't heard of marla already, you'll see this and then you'll be, you know, a cult follower like everyone else seems to be. she just isn't like -- she's doing something that no one else is doing. even the medium of off broadway hasn't really been approached in this way before or appreciated in this way, i think. it is really playing into the medium in a way that is so fun. it is more outrageous. trust me, you'll walk down to the east village, walk into the theater, you're going to get a white claw, sit down, and no intermission, and you're going to laugh so hard you'll cry. your jaw is going to be on the

floor because you can't believe they're making these jokes and singing the songs and doing it. it is so good. the humor is so outrageous and funny and, like, relevant, but it also, like, has so much heart. it is that feeling you get when you watch a golden age musical and you're, like, i want to be there. the show gives you that all of that. i have always felt that about marla. i always have been able to see that she has this singular voice, she creates something i don't see anyone else creating. so, go, trust me, you won't be mad that you did. >> margot, marla, we need this, especially the laughter. thank you, both, so much for coming on "morning joe." the new off broadway musical "the big gay jamboree" is in previews now and opens on september 30th at the orpheum theater. producer margot robbie and co-creator and star of the show marla mindelle, thank you for being on this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> take care. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." care. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe."

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it is the top of the hour. welcome to the fourth hour of "morning joe." it is 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. in the east. jonathan lemire is still with us. world leaders are gathered at the united nations in new york city where in less than an hour ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy will address the general assembly. he's expected to try and persuade neutral countries to support ukraine in their fight against russia. this comes as israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is pushing back his scheduled address. an official tells nbc news netanyahu was supposed to speak tomorrow, but will now give his speech on friday. this change comes as israel is launching an extensive attack against hezbollah.

meanwhile, the u.n. security council will convene an emergency session on lebanon this evening. france's foreign minister requested the meeting after israeli strikes killed more than 500 people on monday. on the 2024 campaign trail now, vice president kamala harris will be in pittsburgh today to deliver a speech outlining her vision on the economy. it is part of her push to close the gap with donald trump on who americans can trust on the issue. we'll have more on that in just a moment. meanwhile, the chief political analyst for "the new york times" nate cohen is out with analysis today in a piece entitled "republicans electoral college edge once seen as iron clad looks to be fading." in it, he details how donald trump's declining electoral college gap today thus reflects some combination of his relative weakness in the core

battlegrounds and relative strength in the noncompetitive states. let's talk more about this with long time political strategist mike murphy and national reporter for "the new york times" jeremy peters. michael, i'll start with you. what do you make of nate cohn's analysis? >> i looked at it and it is intriguing. i haven't dug through the data yet. call me skeptical but ready to be convinced. you know, when i look at the state polling and some of the private stuff i see, it is narrowing. i get the argument. but i'm telling people there is only one poll, the murphy poll, you're one point behind. we get into the psychology of this, it is okay, electoral college, no, no, no, this is a tight race and she has work to do. >> and trump was out there bragging about how much she's going to win louisiana, i don't think that will change the electoral count that much. trump had some success winning some black and latino voters

elsewhere which helped him drive down the margins of defeat in california and new york, but not helping him so much in the michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin trio because of the preponderance of white voters there, harris at this point is doing fairly well with them per polling. and we should underscore, i think no one is quite sure how much to trust polling now, which has been off the last couple of years. no offense. and what we have seen is a theory out there, curious to get your take, if the polling is off like it was in 2020, that's good for harris. but if it is off like it was in 2022 -- sorry, off in 2020, good for trump, off like it was in 2022, good for harris. undercounting the republicans. >> the polling had biden's number right in 2020, did not have trump's, it underestimated. you're hearing a lot of concern among pollsters and strategists in the campaigns, not in the campaigns, who say that these polls can undercount trump support. it is just a fact that trump voters are less likely to pick up the phone, less likely to answer a survey and there is this phenomenon where they are

less likely to cop to their support for trump because they are somewhat ashamed by it. they're not sure that this is the kind of guy they want people knowing that they vote for. these are not the people who put the maga signs and the maga flags in their front yard. that said, we have seen kind of a remarkable amount of stability in the race since the debate. things have moved by maybe a point or two here and there. you know, the polling in states like arizona that could be critical is still really unclear. north carolina is interesting because it has tightened, you have a maga problem. that is probably the biggest threat to trump at this moment. as one republican strategist put it to me, in -- during one of the midterm elections, when things go haywire, when there are big national news stories of, like, mass shooting, crisis, upheaval, people are reminded of the chaos of trump. he's the president of chaos and they don't like that. and even though they may not

like the direction of the country right now and that's bad for biden and harris, trump gets tainted with that and i think people just really don't want to relive all that. >> and to put a finer point on the polling issue, in 2016, 2020, trump voters were undercounted. in 2022, the republican voters were overstated. perhaps because trump's name wasn't on the ballot. you've been looking at those who haven't made up their mind. a lot of people watching the show are, like, how can there be an undecided voter. >> it is not like -- the term undecided, i think, mike will know this, it needs to be refined a little bit. these are not purely undecided people who have no clue who they're going to vote for, they're people who are still persuadable, softly committed. and those are gettable. those, according to our polling, in "the new york times" and other polling that has been done out there, they tend to be black latino and younger. and these are people who are not committed partisans, and many of them are struggling financially. and many of them say they don't like the direction of the

country and they're just looking for some type of change. they want to be reassured that a politician -- that the support is going to make a big difference in their life, their bottom line, and they're so disgruntled with politics, they don't see how anybody could really do that. it is not a preference of like or dislike, they think -- >> they want to vote against something. they're trying to figure out what. >> what is that message for the true undecided or, you know, the disgusted or those who are soft one way or the other. what would be safe for vice president harris. what is the winning message there? >> hope. economic hope. right now there are two big forces at play. one is that i call it the wall of lava, which is this frustration with the economy, things are better four years ago, even with crazy trump, i want to go fire joe biden, he's gone, i'm probably going to fire her. she's getting distance from him. "the washington post" today and this number is bouncing around and i hate to bring up polling because we way overpay attention

to polling. it shows you what happened a week ago. it is showing the perception of trump being better on the economy, which was high double digits against biden, down to single digits for her. that's huge progress, that's what she's trying to do today in pittsburgh. as an advertising guy, my only advice would be first rule of advertising, what is the offer? what are you going to do for me, disaffected voter who says, yeah, maybe trump is crazy, but i was doing better four years ago, is change coming, does she have a plan? more about them than about her. my only criticism of the campaign is i'm hearing a lot in third party ads about how she worked at mcdonald's, wants the congressional medal of honor for that, that's normal, that's fine. what are you doing for me? i'm dying out here and i'm going to vote against the status quo unless you give me the reason not to. that's the closer for her. >> mika, on the idea of an economic message in the homestretch, donald trump was supposed to deliver a speech to the economy yesterday, he got side tracked in all sorts of places and ended up saying the word tariffs a bunch.

that's why it is so significant perhaps vice president harris' speech later on today. >> political strategist mike murphy and national reporter for "the new york times" jeremy peters, thank you very much. joining us now, former governor of rhode island, honorable gina raimondo, appearing this morning in her personal capacity to discuss the harris/walz campaign and we're going to stay on the economy, because mike measure brought up a great question. polling is showing this is an issue where there is work that needs to be done by the harris/walz campaign. the question, is there a plan? what is the plan? what is the big picture vision? kamala harris has done interviews, there is another one being done today, i believe, with stephanie ruhle. but on the economy, we have heard her talk about small businesses, and giving them a lift. we heard her talk about helping homeowners with their down payments. these are great, but they are

specifics. what is the overall vision that she is going to be talking about today that you know about kamala harris' plan for the economy? >> yeah, well, good morning. >> good morning. >> nice to be with you. her plan is really clear, bring down costs for middle class america and all americans. create more high-paying jobs for everyone, with or without a college degree. and most important stability. i mean, if -- talk to any business owner, any business leader, what will they tell you? they're done with the chaos, they need predictability, they need a good business climate. kamala harris will, as i said, she's obsessed with bringing down costs, which is what the american people need most. trump will absolutely increase costs. his tariffs are absolutely going to increase costs. but at the end of the day, mika, more than any of this, you choose between a leader who will bring practical solutions, she is calm, she is smart, she embraces innovation, versus a

guy who will bring chaos, unpredictability and vindictiveness, which will almost certainly in my judgment explode the deficit, increase costs and lead us to a recession. >> there is no denying the risks of a trump presidency. i'll be first to say that. i would also say that costs, jobs and stability are goals. what is the vision to how we get there and, you know, we are in process right now. we're in the middle -- nearing the end of the biden presidency, which has been successful regardless of what you might watch on fox news. it has been an accomplished presidency, with more legislation passed than any other -- you can go on and on. and the numbers are going in the right direction. so, how does she take the mantel and carry it forward and express a vision to reach these goals?

>> you know, her vision as she has said is a new way forward. she is focused on the middle class, for decades the gap between business owners and business workers has just exploded. and people are feeling that. they feel it in their pocketbook. and so kamala harris, she talks about mcdonald's, she talks about mcdonald's because she gets it. she gets where the average person is. and it is expensive and so she has said, let's bring down your costs. let's bring down your grocery bills, let's bring down your housing costs, let's bring down your child care costs. the vision is a new way forward in this country, where every american, regardless of where you live, where you started, whether you have a college degree or not, can get a decent paying job, to become a middle class family and when you go shopping or you go to the grocery store, you take your kids to school, it is affordable. >> jonathan lemire was talking about the weave that the former president was doing about

tariffs. i'm using the former president's term, that's how he talks about things, he talks about a lot of different things, and he says that he gets back to his ultimate point. but he seems to always get back to tariffs. what is your response to the answer that he gives on why these tariffs are so important, for example, 200% tariff on john deere, for example. >> it is a horrible idea. his -- he just shoots from the hip with john deere. it is vindictive, petty, personal, it is exactly the kind of, you know, chaotic leader that will, i really do believe, mika, put us into a recession. a 200% tariff, by the way, this is really important point, the presidential power with tariffs or in a national policy is very strong. so, you know, tax policy, you have to work with congress. but if he decides he wants to do something crazy, like a 200%

tariff, which will hurt americans, raise prices and lose jobs, he could do it as president. which is why honestly why i'm here in my personal capacity. the stakes are so high in this one. we cannot afford to put him back in the white house. >> so, since you're here in your personal capacity, you're a mom, you're a woman, things like that, i have to ask about donald trump saying that he would be our protector. he would protect us. >> yeah. >> and i get extremely upset when i hear him speaking this way. just because i don't want myself or my daughters protected by a convicted felon who was found liable of sexual abuse in a case that the judge actually said it was tantamount to rape, liable for defaming a woman, bragged out loud that he likes to grab women by their genitals and that they like it. >> yeah.

>> and it goes on and on and on. some describe him to be somewhat of a sexual predator. how are we here, number one, and number two, what is your response when you hear donald trump on the campaign trail saying that he, the man who brags about overturning roe, and denying life-saving healthcare to women across america is a protector of women? how have we gotten here? >> i don't know how we have gotten here, but we sure as hell have to get out of here and get kamala in the white house. i'm a woman. i have a 20-year-old daughter. when i read that, when i saw the protector, it is enraging, it is blood curdling and it is bs. not only is it wrong and a lie, it belittles us. we're not that stupid. we know he's lying. and we don't need his baloney telling us he'll protect us. we know the facts of how he feels about women, he is disrespectful to women, putting it mildly, and he's the one that overturned roe exactly what you

said. for me, you know, when i was the governor of rhode island, one of the first governors in the country back in 2019 to codify roe and statute in rhode island and i worked with the legislature, it was because he was president, and i feared exactly what would happen and i said women of rhode island would be protected. that's real protection. stepping up and leading. and what he says is the opposite. it is just another lie. how did we get here? let's extinguish him for good. we have an answer, we have a remarkably talented candidate who is sincere, pragmatic, open. let's just get it done. >> and extinguish, you mean vote him out? >> yes, absolutely. vote him out. banish him from american politics, yes. just vote him out so he goes away, because he's -- it is just not where america -- her new way forward, her vision, let's turn the page on his chaos and craziness and vindictiveness,

wrong headed economic strategy, hatred toward women and move forward. >> former democratic governor of rhode island, the honorable gina raimondo. great to see you again. thank you so much for coming in to be on the show. >> thank you. >> we appreciate it. take care. coming up, consumer confidence tumbled in september, falling by the largest level in more than three years amid growing fears about jobs and business conditions. we'll dive into those details. plus, retail giant amazon facing pushback from its employees over its five days per week return to office mandate. we'll see how that's going. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin will join us with more on the brewing standoff. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. doff you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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morning. 45,000 dock workers from maine to texas appear to be on the verge of going on strike next tuesday when their latest contract expires. the move would shut down 36 ports that handle roughly half the nation's cargo from ships. new contract negotiations between the union and port representatives halted in june. the number of whooping cough cases has more than quadrupled in the u.s. since last year. according to the centers for disease control and prevention, experts attribute the surge to a dip in vaccination rates that began during the pandemic. and warn that cases in tweens and teens are driving the outbreak. pennsylvania, new york, and california lead all states in the number of cases. and the town of canton, connecticut, is experimenting with a four-day workweek. town officials hope that despite being closed on fridays, extended hours during the rest

of the week will make town services more accessible to residents. in addition, the town anticipates a cost-savings for taxpayers. i like that. data released yesterday shows that americans are pessimistic about the economy. the september consumer confidence index slid nearly 7 points from august, the biggest one-month decline in three years. the survey found that consumers were most concerned about the future of the labor market and inflation. let's bring in co-anchor of cnbc's "squawk box" and "new york times" columnist andrew ross sorkin. what is driving these fears? >> i think it is the jobs market. what doesn't make sense about the results of the survey is the issue of inflation because as we have seen, inflation has continued to come down. and it is really reflected in how we have even seen the federal reserve deal with all this, which is to say they're lowering interest rates.

why are they doing that? not because of inflation, they think that piece of it is taken care of. what they are worried about is the jobs market. that's a real issue. having said that, and, again, it is psychological issue, insofar as we're 4.2% unemployment, yes, that's higher than 3.5% which is where we were a couple of years ago, but we're still in alice in wonderland territory on a relative basis to the long run unemployment average in the united states. since 1948, on average, unemployment in this country has been 5.6%. so, 4.2% is still pretty good, but, again, what is happening is people aren't comparing it to 19 -- to the average since 1948. they're comparing it to what it was a couple of years ago, in this sort of unique time that we had in our economy. and so, i think that's a little bit of what is going on. but, again, all this may very well play into the election and the politics of this moment as people are looking about -- looking around and saying how

they're going to compare what they think of as a trump economy, versus a harris economy. >> right, right, right. the federal government suing visa. what is it all about? >> this is about whether visa is ultimately a monopoly. not on the credit card side, a lot of use credit cards that say visa on them. a lot of us use debit cards that say visa. underneath the hood, when you use your card or payment service whether you use your apple phone, for example, at a store that uses something called square, which is one of the very services that people use to pay with, it is going through a visa system. so, what visa has done, quite masterfully to its own benefit, has effectively partnered with all sorts of companies and so under the hood visa is providing the service, the electronic payment service for debit cards and there is a view that the government has that is a monopolistic practice and a tax,

if you will, a $7 billion a year tax on the american public. we will see whether this case succeeds. there are some people on one side that think this is government overreach. and, again, by the way, may become part of the presidential campaign, we'll see. and others who say that this is a tax on the american public and needs to be dealt with. >> our next topic could be a whole segment or whole hour. >> oh, goodness, yes. >> i was talking about canton, connecticut, trying out a four-day workweek, extended hours. i think it is brilliant because a lot of people can't get their town service phone calls done during 9:00 to 5:00. but amazon, they're telling everyone to come back in five days a week. how is that going for them? >> apparently not well. apparently there was a survey that went out, and there was a lot of, quote, strongly dissatisfied folks upset about this policy. part of it may be that they felt it was sprung on them, part of

it, i think, is a function of this, you know, after the pandemic, when they returned to the three-day workweek, a lot of folks had already moved to other parts of the country or had moved to the suburbs in certain cities and the like. and so they had sort of re-adjusted their life. effectively. and so when they had to move to a three-day week, there were some people who by the way left the company, others who said, you know what, i'm going to commute for those three days, but i'm not going to have to commute all five days. now they're having to do it for five days and i think it is the transition cost. but interestingly, you know, i think that if you talked to people inside amazon, the view is that they knew going in there was going to be frustration and that some people may very well quit as a function of that. part of their announcement the other week about the five-day workweek was a plan to get rid of middle management to begin with. they're going to be letting go a lot of people as part of their transition anyway. and so i think that they built

this into that thinking to some degree. >> interesting. wow. a strategy. cnbc's andrew ross sorkin, thank you very much. we'll see you tomorrow. all right, coming up on "morning joe" -- >> we didn't have -- growing up. too fancy. too many moving parts. we were a back gammon family. that back gammon brief case is the fanciest piece of furniture in our house. that two-tone brown pleather, yummy. for one brief period of time, i used this as my school bag. i'm not going to school, i'm on business. bullied, absolutely. but the beauty of me is i had no idea. >> that was emmy award winning comedian hannah gadsby in a

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i have what's called high functioning autism. a terrible name for what i have. it gives the impression that i function highly. i do not. to give you an idea of what it feels like to be on the spectrum, it feels like being the only sober person in a room full of drunks. or the other way around. everyone is operating on a wave length you can't quite key into. to give you a visual, this woman is on the spectrum. that is the story of my [ bleep ] life. >> that was comedian hannah gadsby in the 2020 stand-up special "douglas," now the emmy award winner is on tour with a new show "woof," that's the title, which has hannah asking

but not always answering some of life's biggest questions, ranging from what is up with whales to is it anxiety if it's rational? and i want the answer to that one. and hannah joins us now. is it? is it anxiety if it's rational and do you have it? >> i have anxiety, but also i think it is rational. i think the world is ending. but it is a morning, so that's probably not a great start. >> it is not a great start. but i'm with you, completely on that. you're a morning person. >> i am. look at me go. i was on another show last night and i was falling asleep, but comedy is not the right job for me. >> no. maybe a morning host. i'm curious about the title of your new show "woof." >> me too. it's -- it's -- you know, you have to name a show before you write it really because you got to -- you got to push the posters out. and i -- i was talking to my dog

one day and i came up with a really good idea for the title, and we went with it. she was just, like, woof, i'm, like, you're right, nona, that's what the show should be called. it is a word that sums up how i can't sum up what's happening in the world right now. i feel like, whoof is pretty much it, but also a particular woof, the woof that dogs do before they go off their chops, you know, that one where they go woof. i think that's where the world is right now, woof. >> yeah. i think you might be -- yeah. i think you might be right. and also dogs are curious, they just always want to know what's going on and that's sort of how -- that's how i feel right now. >> did you just call yourself a dog, mika? >> well, you know. i am a dog person. i have so many dogs and cats. >> how many dogs do you have?

cats? >> three and three right now. i'm going for three dogs and three cats. they're all, like -- >> you're the brady bunch. >> i am, yeah. we're digressing big time. >> yes, thank you. >> so i'm curious, you also -- you have so many emmys and nominations for these incredible stand-up specials that address so many important issues. and you bring humor to them in your own way. and you work with your wife. i'm curious what that's like. >> well, the work-life balance is out the window because, i mean, my wife is my producer. that's how we met. >> oh, wow. >> yeah. that's -- no, we have a nice time. we have a nice time. yeah. we drink lots of tea. we play backgammon, but she's always there. so it is good we like each other. but how long that lasts -- how are you going? how is your work-life balance? >> it is good. 24/7. yeah, i kind of love it.

>> you do? >> i do. >> that's why you got six pets. >> yeah. it's true. wait, what? i just love it. i really do. okay, so tell us more about the questions that you ask and sometimes don't answer, but what you want to know the answers to in this special. >> i want to know how many mattress toppers is too many. i want to know what whales would think when they find out we have been recording their conversations to listen to while we fall asleep. >> true. >> because they got really big brains and i kind of think maybe we should make a concerted effort to find out what they're talking about. they might have some answers. i don't know why we're going into space, the whales are there going -- they could be saying something really interesting. >> it is curious, jonathan lemire, she's -- the not curious about the why rfk would cut a

whale's head off. but i digress. go ahead. >> we can visit that if you want. what's up with whales is a hook. i'm now wondering what's up with whales. talk to us about how you prepare for something like that. >> i've been doing this for 20 years, i do almost a show every year. dwindling to every couple of years now because i'm aging. and so i always just -- my shows have always been a way of me to go, what am i and how do i fit into the world? it is two puzzles at once. for the first time in my life, the puzzle of me is easier than the puzzle of the world in a way. probably because i have more information available. and so it is -- i just feel like my life changed dramatically at a time when the world also was changing dramatically. i got this netflix sort of moment and then the next time i had a billboard in times square

which for someone like me, i grew up under a rock, but it was empty, times square was empty, i don't know which one of those facts is more mind boggling. >> a well deserved moment. how have you felt that moment, having a billboard in times square, whether it is empty or not, how has that changed your comedy? >> well, i don't think it did. i don't think i'm processing is. that's what the show is. it has been seven years since i found this sort of big fame business. you get it. and then i'm just starting to go, oh, things are very different, very different on the ground than in my head and this show is a real grappling of that. most importantly, it is very funny. >> i love it. the new show "woof" premieres this friday at the abrams art center -- >> you pronounced it, mika. >> i did? do it for me. i missed it. >> "woof."

>> one of those closed mouth barks. >> can you do it? >> woof. i've got dogs. hobson does that all the time. okay. it runs through october -- i might get another dog. you never know. the show runs through october 27th. emmy award winning comedian hannah gadsby, thank you for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. >> yeah. just a mood boost. coming up, we're back to politics, we're keeping an eye on the u.n. general assembly in new york where the ukrainian president is set to deliver a speech this morning. plus, nbc's keir simmons joins us with a recap of his conversation with a controversial world leader. "morning joe" is coming right back. d leader "morning joe" is coming right back

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zelenskyy is scheduled to address the international body in a few moments. benjamin netanyahu speaks now on friday. chief international correspondent keir simmons joins us now. i would love to get your take on this moment, this very dynamic moment in history as this event carries on. >> yeah, president zelenskyy will speak at a moment where he knows the world's attention is on israel and the war in gaza and the increasing confrontation in lebanon. so he's going to be very aware of that. i think we know some of the things he's going to say. he's clearly got what he's calling his victory plan. he's likely to hold out the prospects that this war can end. he said in an interview this week it can end sooner than you think. the fundamental question of territory remains, despite the move by ukraine to take some russian territory, that's a bargaining chip, if you like.

but the question is how you get to those negotiations and where you end up. so, i think what you'll hear from president zelenskyy is a determined outlining of what -- of what you might call maximumalistic goals from the ukrainian perspective and, again, the push to have the ability to use long range weapons inside russia. all of the notes that you would expect. listen, you know, there is a steady shift, the czech president suggesting that ukraine has to be realistic. the difficulty with these things, of course, is that you don't go into a negotiation showing your hand. if there is going to be a negotiation. the russians are saying something very similar, we don't want to negotiate for anything other than what we want. so, it remains a difficult time for ukraine because let's be honest, this has lasted longer, not just than putin ever

imagined, button that ukraine will have wanted. >> so zelenskyy address the u.n. today, heads to washington to meet with president biden and vice president harris tomorrow. foreign minister of russia sergey lavrov in new york now, vladimir putin not. but one leader who is here, who is here who you spoke to, was turkish leader erdogan. >> turkey i think, is an interesting case because i think it really puts the focus on how complex the world is at this stage for whoever is president in 2025. i think in this election, you know, there is a tendency or a danger of giving the american people the idea that as a simple solution and there isn't one. turkey exemplifies that, it had huge challenges with the u.s. it is a nato ally. and yet turkey and president erdogan fell out with the u.s., including with president trump, who withdrew the deal to sell turkey f-35s when it bought into the russian 400 missile defense system. so this goes back a long way.

and now the crisis in israel is, you know, widening that fault line. erdogan has some things to say about hamas that, you know, talks about them as resistance fighters, that many people will find, you know, just, you know, unconscionable to hear a nato leader talk like that. that is the world that the president is going to face. i asked him about the president zelenskyy's -- one aspect of that victory plan to president zelenskyy may ask access to nato and what he said will raise eyebrows. let's listen. >> president zelenskyy's administration has said that part of his peace plan would be ukraine joining nato. would you welcome ukraine as a member of nato? in principle? >> translator: the u.s. first and foremost doesn't want to see ukraine as a nato member.

and many nato countries don't want ukraine to be a member state. so we need to see these facts for what they are. and we need to make our minds accordingly. looking at these facts for what they are, these are not questions to be rushed. and when making our minds, when we are taking our decisions, we always take into consideration the stance of other nato member states. we discuss those possible questions around the table and make the final decision accordingly. >> but you have a veto in principle. would turkey accept ukraine and nato? >> translator: as of now, the nato member states positions will be important for me and for all the other countries.

we are going to follow the developments, the deliberations and reach a final decision accordingly. these are not decisions to be rushed in an excited way. >> so you haven't decided, you haven't made your mind up? >> translator: no. no. >> he also told us he will go to brixt which will be held in russia and says president putin won't come to turkey. turkey is one of the countries in between the axis of iran and china and russia and north korea and the u.s. and its western allies. >> keir, thank you. let's go straight to the u.n., ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is speaking now. let's listen in. >> ukrainianeurope, seeks nuclear reactors. the russian army stormed this facility just as brutally as any other during this war, without thinking about consequences,

possibly disastrous. this was one of the most horrifying moments of the war, where no one could know how russian strikes on the nuclear facility would end, and everyone in ukraine was reminded of what chernobyl means. now the nuclear power plant is occupied by russian forces, unfortunately, and it's at risk of nuclear incident. this is the major source of radiation danger in europe, possibly in the world. that's why in the peace formula i presented, the first point is about nuclear safety. in ukraine, we know exactly what we are dealing with, and i want to thank you, the general assembly members, for adopting a resolution in july this year on the safety of nuclear facilities

in ukraine. most of the world understands what's at stake. the general assembly demanded that russian return control of the nuclear power plant to ukraine, only then real nuclear security will return to europe and the world. and now about the day that must never come. since russia can't defeat our people's resistance on the battlefield, putin is looking for other ways to break the ukrainian spirit. one of his methods is targeting our energy infrastructure. these are deliberate russian attacks on our power plants and the entire energy grid. as of today, russia has destroyed all our thermal power plants and a large part of our

hydroelectric capacity. this is how putin is preparing for winter, hoping to torment millions, millions of ukrainians, ordinary families, women, children, ordinary towns, ordinary villages. putin wants to leave them in the dark and cold this winter, forcing ukraine to suffer and surrender. just imagine, please, your country with 80% of its energy system gone, with such a destroyed part of the system. what kind of life would that be? recently i received yet another alarming report from our intelligence. now putin does seem to be planning attacks on our nuclear power plants and infrastructure, aiming to disconnect the plants from the power grid, with the

help of other countries. russia is getting images and detailed information about the infrastructure of our nuclear power plants, but what does this really threaten? any missile or drone strike, any critical incident in the energy system could lead to a nuclear disaster, a day like that must never come. and moscow needs to understand this, and this depends, in part, on your determination to put pressure on the aggressor. these are nuclear power plants, they must be safe. ladies and gentlemen, two years ago in the fall of 2022, i proposed a comprehensive strategy to end the war and to ensure security, and i presented the peace formula at a highly inclusive political platform for

world leaders at the g20 summit in indonesia, representing billions of citizens from all parts of the globe. and it's important for us that all these people can understand us, understand that ukraine wants to end this war more than anyone in the world. war always poses a threat to many. you'll see in the media and read in reports what is happening in ukraine because of russia's war. it's something many are imagining happening to themselves, and, yes, the smoke from tires in war-torn cities can reach other countries, and god forbid, russia causes a nuclear disaster at one, at one of our nuclear power plants, the radiation will not respect state borders, and unfortunately, various nations could feel the

devastating effects. many are concerned, but the deepest understanding of war is always found in the home it destroys. it's the ukrainian people who feel the full pain of this war, it's ukrainian children who are learning to distinguish the sounds of different types of artillery and drones because of russia's war. it's our people who are forcefully separated by occupation because putin decided he could do whatever he wants. it's our heroic soldiers who are giving their lives to defend our country from invaders trying to steal our land. that's why we say, rightfully so, there can be no just peace without ukraine. and i thank every leader, every country that supports us in

this, that understands us, that sees how russia, a country more than 20 times larger than ukraine in territory, still wants even more land, more land, which is insane and is seizing it day by day, while wanting to destroy its neighbor. and russia found very special bodies for that, north korea and iran. and now every neighbor of russia in europe and central asia feels that the war could come to them as well, and just think what kind of losses that would mean for the world. and i thank nearly 100 nations in the international organizations that have supported the peace formula. it's truly a global community, africa, asia, europe, latin

america, north america, the pacific region, all united by the peace formula. and i'm glad the peace summit was so reminding of the u.n. general assembly, everyone was equal, all nations that participated in the peace summit, large and small. no blocking authority, those that have been independent for ages and those have only recently gained independence, those that have gone through wars themselves, and those accustomed to peace, all are equal. that is what russia hates the most and cannot control. that's why russia says the peace formula doesn't suit it. here at the u.n., i've already

met with leaders from india, guatemala, japan and italy, turkey and finland, canada, paraguay, slovenia, germany and others, and my meetings will continue. these are different parts of the world and various political ways of life, but they share the same understanding, peace is needed and it must be a real just peace. unfortunately, at the u.n., it's impossible to truly and fairly resolve matters of war and peace, because too much depends in the security council on the veto power. when the aggressor exercises veto power, the u.n. is powerless to stop the war, but the peace formula can. once again, there is no veto power in it. that's why it's the best opportunity for peace. everyone is equal.

and it's effective and comprehensive. when some propose alternatives, half-hearted settlement lands, so-called sets of principles, it not only ignores the interest and suffering from ukrainians who are affected by the war the most, it not only ignores reality, but also gives putin the political space to continue the war and pressure the world to bring more nations under control. any parallel or alternative attempts to seek peace in, in fact, efforts to achieve, allow, instead of end the war. as a global initiative, the peace formula has already exited for two years, and maybe somebody wants a nobel prize for

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