innovation across our society. from our earliest days america's economic strength has been tied to our industrial strength, and the same is true today. so i will recommit the nation to global leadership in the sectors that will define the next century. we will invest in biomanufacturing and aerospace, remain dominant in ai and quantum computing, blockchain and other emerging technology, expand our lead in clean energy innovation and manufacturing. so the next generation of breakthroughs from advanced

battery to geothermal to advanced nuclear are not just invented but built here in america by american workers. and we will invest in the industry that, for example, made pittsburgh the steel city by offering tax credits for standing good unions, jobs, steel, iron, manufacturing communities like here in mon valley and across all these industries of the future we will prioritize investments for strengthening factory towns, which is so important. for strengthening factory towns. retooling existing factories. hiring locally and working with

unions because no one who grows up in america's greatest industrial or agricultural center should be abandoned. and understand what that means for real people, people we know, people we care about. the we don't have to abandon a strength we've known to achieve a strength that we plan. and here's what else we will do. we will double the number of registered apprenticeships by the end of my first term. because i almost made it a goal of mine, i think i am going to fall short, but try to visit

every ibew local in america, because i am going to tell you, those apprenticeship programs, those are tough duty, man, and women and everyone. they're tough duty. i mean, you talk about the skills, eng nearing, science, math, the most highly skilled folks who are in those apprenticeships and are teaching there. and so one of the things we must do understanding that and understanding the nature of that part of our educational system is let's eliminate degree requirements while increasing skill development and let's start with something i can do as president, was ensure we do that for the half million of federal jobs that are within our ability to make it so. showing what is possible and then challenging the private

sector to make a solid commitment to emphasizing skills and not just degrees. and we will reform our tax laws to make it easier to let businesses share in their company's success. and i will challenge the private sector to do more, to lift up workers to equity, profit and benefits so more people can share in america's success and prosperity. and not only must we build the industries of the future in america, we must also build them faster. you know, there's a time for patience and there's a time for

impatience. that's not enthusiastic. i lost it for a minute there. but the simple truth is in america it takes too long and it costs too much to build. whether it's a new housing development, a new factory, or a new bridge, projects take too long to go from concept to reality. it happens in blue states, it happens in red states and it's a national problem. and i will tell you this, china is not moving slowly. they're not. and we can't afford to either. if we are to compete, we can't afford to either. as president, if things are not moving quickly, i will demand to know why and i will ask -- i will work with congress, workers and businesses, cities and states, community groups and local leaders to reform

permitting, to cut red tape and get things moving faster because, look, as i said, patience may be a virtue, but not when it comes to job creation or america's competitiveness. many of you know, the empire state building, dune how long it took to build? one year. the pentagon, dune how long that took to build? 16 months. no one can tell me -- we can't build quickly in our country. i've got empirical evidence. now look, my opponent, donald trump, he makes big promises on manufacturing. just yesterday he went out and promised to bring manufacturing jobs. and if that sounds familiar, it should. in 2016 he went out and made

that very same promise about the carrier plant in indianapolis. you'll then remember carrier then off shored hundreds of jobs to mexico under his watch, and it wasn't just there. on trump's watch off shoring went up and manufacturing went down across our country. across our economy all told, almost 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost during his presidency starting before the pandemic hit. making trump one of the biggest losers ever on manufacturing.

donald trump also talked a big game on our trade deficit with china, but it is far lower under our watch than any year of his administration. while he constantly got played by china, i will never hesitate to take swift and strong measures when china undermines the rules of the road at the expense of our workers, our communities and our companies whether it's flooding the market with steel, inferior, or at all; unfairly subsidizing shipbuilding or hurting our small businesses with counterfeit. recall, donald trump actually shipped advanced semiconductor chips to china which helped them

upgrade their military. understand the impact of these so-called policies that really are not about a plan for strengthening our prosperity or our security. i will never sell out america to our competitors or adversaries. never. never. and i will always make sure we have the strongest economy and most lethal fighting force anywhere in the world. so at this pivotal moment we have an extraordinary opportunity to chart a new way forward, one that takes the

united states of america and all of us who are blessed to call this home for success and prosperity in the 21st century. you know there's an old saying that the best ways to predict the future is to invent it. well, that is the story of the steel city. that is the story of the steel city. the city that helped build the middle class, birth america's labor movement, and power the lives of american manufacturing, and the city where alan norman and herbert simon launched the first ai research hub at carnegie mellon. and created entirely new fields like machine learning and carnegie mel len is home of the

largest robotics center in america. so the proud heritage of pittsburgh i so strongly believe reveals the character of our nation, a nation that harnesses the ambitions, the dreams, and the aspirations of our people, seizes the opportunities before us because we see them, because we believe in them and then invents the future. that is what we have always done. and that is what we must now do. and i thank you all for inviting me. may god bless you and may god bless the united states of america.

♪♪ ♪♪ hi there, everyone. it's a little after 4 p.m. in new york. you've been listening to vice president kamala harris back on the campaign trail delivering a rousing speech laying out her plans for the economy, contrasting them to donald trump's record on the economy, something sure to elicit a quick response to him. she called him, quote, "the biggest loser" fr on manufacturing. speaking in pittsburgh, vice president harris making the case for policies lifting up the middle class aligning herself with america's workers and she described herself in the context of her values, how she approaches these issues calling herself a pragmatist, and a capitalist, not driven by ideology. her next stop is a sit-down interview with stephanie ruhle

for an exclusive. in pittsburgh with the vice president, one of her most high profile and effective supporters, a pittsburgh native, businessman, investor who's been sounding the alarm on the chaos donald trump will create for our economy should he be elected and making the case that vice president harris is a moderate in this race, the steady hand on the pillar. the ex-president, donald trump, is the unpredictable, radical. as if he's a successful television star. we're talking about mark cuban. he'll join us in a few minutes. let's bring in matthew doud. also joining us, executive director of republican voters against trump and msnbc

political analyst cornell beltre is here. the most lethal fighting force in america and that the lines about donald trump, they were not the bulk of this speech but they were sharp, specific, bas. >> they were. i think she accomplished something that i've been pickin that i think is important. you know, it's still aboutin he voters understand, you know, who she is, who she's fighting for. we as quote unquote long-term political hacks know voters are sitting around, her point 7 of her 12-point economic plan, i don't agree with it, i don't think she can do it. i think what she did today is

lean in to how she's on the side of the american worker, how she believes the american worker is exceptional and is that exceptional spirit that we lean into, tap into and the hard work of the american worker. we would have work out for the person who built the skyscraper, not the person who owns the skyscraper and the people cleaning the skyscraper. this pulls her clearly and soundly on the side of working americans. i think any working american who sees excerpts of this speech will see this and understand that and trust her more today than they did before hearing this speech. yeah. matt doud, my favorite movie, as much as i adore every erin sorkin script is gabe. he said budget smudget. why can't we take a couple million from commerce and take

it to treasury and pay for the jobs program. her point how long it took to build the empire state building, one year. how long it took to build the pentagon, 16 months. why does it take so long to build things? i'm going to fix that. puts her on the side of it. the. >> i love that movie. i love when he calls his accountant friend into the white house to work it out because he doesn't trust anybody else around too do that in there. >> i mean, these numbers are crazy. i love that scene. we'll find it. we'll find it. >> nobody could -- is this legal? is this legal? >> what's so great is she's going at the perceived strength

of donald trump look like a weakness. most campaigns people avoid doing because they're worried about talking about the economy because it was a strength for the other side in the course of it. this is smart politics. by doing this, this is a culmination of what she did today. it's taking donald trump having a double digit lead and who people trust more on the economy to a single digit if not even on the economy which is astounding in the matter of four or five weeks she's been able to do that. it's because she's doing what she did today. i agree with cornell. this is not so much laying out 12 points for everybody to put the notebook together, it is one of empathy. it's being able to talk about the economy in an empathetic way. even if we all think the stats on the economy are going great, there are a whole bunch of people in america who don't feel that way. her talking about it demonstrates the empathy. smart politics. they have done an unbelievable job taking an issue that was a

weakness and now turning it into a strength. >> the speech to you, many americans who aspire to own a home are unable to save enough for a downpayment on a house. starting to think that maybe homeownership isn't within their reach. folks who live in factory towns and rural communities who have lost jobs are wondering if those jobs will ever come back. many americans are worried how they'll afford the prescription drugs they depend on. all of this is happening at a time when many of the biggest corporations continue be to make record profits while wages haven't kept pace. i understand the pressures of making ends meet. i grew up in a middle class family. and while we were more fortunate than many, i still remember my mother sitting at the yellow formica table with a pile of bills around her. the polls show she's fought donald trump to about a draw, he'll never be able to talk

about these issues the way she can. he has never sat at a formica table with bills in front of him. he has legal bills in front of him. i can't imagine his desk is formica. this is quoting her at the kitchen table talking about the things that really transcend partisan lines. i wonder what you think of how she sort of placed everyone at the kitchen table with her there along side them feeling their pain? >> yeah. one of the things that folks on the right have been kind of mocking kamala harris for is this kind of -- she mentions that she comes from a middle class family and background in just about every speech or interview that she does. they can knock her all she wants because i'll tell you, listening to swing voters, when you ask them what they like about her, they will tell you, they like that she's from a middle class household. they like that they feel like

she comes from a place similar to them. they like that she is for the middle class. she is saying middle class over and over again and that's what it takes to break through to the voters. both of these gentlemen said, nobody remembers your powerpoint plan with all of the steps. they lock in on a broad theme and winning the middle class means over and over again means that she understands it herself and that is what she's going to do as brez, that is what she is for, that's what she is going to build into. that is something that the president and the voters may like about her. the second theme, this is really important, it should appeal to people in the center right as well, she's always talking about building. she's talking about building new houses. she's talking about getting us out of this housing crunch, the high price of housing by building new housing. in that speech she was focused on, how are we going to build new things? how are we going to innovate?

that we're going to build, we're going to grow, we're going to push into the future. that's part of that turn the page narrative that is another thing, even if voters aren't saying flippantly, you know, oh, boy, i just want to turn the page on this very complicated and dark political time, they are saying things like, she's like a breath of fresh air. and so i think that those themes are landing with voters and she should keep leaning into them. >> joining us is billionaire businessman, entrepreneur mark cuban. everything we say about you is sure to trigger kamala harris's opponent, donald trump. i want be to hear from you what parts of this will resonate with the kinds of voters who need to move into her column in november? >> well, the big question obviously is the economy. the people on the right, they're always talking about being a

marxist or communist. she respected and supported every size business from small to large and that really the future of our country militarily, economically is going to be driven by new technology that she understands and that she supports. the it's so different from what doing and i think it's positive. >> she didn't sound like a politician, mark. she turned to the audience and really the country with her question, you know how long it took to build the empire state building? one year. she's sort of aligning herself with how all of us see the things that confound us and saying, as president, i'll ask why. i'll get to the bottom of why it takes so long. sounds like the kind of advice you might appreciate. >> oh, no, i loved it. when she talked about the empire state building and the pentagon being built so quickly, i had no

idea. she had talked prior to that about removing red tape, about allowing building to happen faster so that we can get things done. she talked about being open to new ideas so when somebody comes in with a better way to do it, we'll iterate, review it, do it a better way. that's what she wants to do. she said very clearly she is not an idealogue. she wants to do the right thing. she wants to help the economy. she wants to help the middle class. she wants to help businesses grow. she said all the right things. >> one of the things that she did very effectively, and it wasn't the bulk of the speech, is the burns on donald trump were brutal. she went after him for the carrier plant in indianapolis off shoring jobs. she said 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost. she described him as the, quote, biggest loser ever on manufacturing. why does trump even have the

perception of being good on the economy? >> he's a good salesperson. he talks a good game but doesn't mean he gets the job done. that's part of what she has to communicate. i think she got a good start in doing that and was able to communicate that with carrier as an example. look, the starkest difference between the two, donald trump wants to threaten companies. we saw him threaten john deere with a 200% tariff. that doesn't make the business better. in fact, it makes it easier for chinese companies to compete against john deere. what did kamala harris say? she said she's going to incent companies to grow and build. she's going to offer tax incentives. she'll make it easier to borrow money. one is a hammer and the other is a carrot, right? how do we help businesses grow? donald is so impetuous.

you can tell that the kamala harris team has vetted every single thing she said. not just does it sound good, does it hold good? really, is it good, strong policy? when i talked to her, the key message she gave to me was these are policies we've really thought hard about. they're important to me. we want to make them work. she's not a sales rep saying what the customers might want to hear. she's a good ceo. we want to do this right because i'm responsible for my stakeholders and we need to do it the right way. you could not have a greater difference between two candidates. >> you are such an interesting advocate for her as the leader on the economy, for her as the pragmatist. i wonder, i've seen you ask questions about your thoughts about donald trump. you're a convergence. you knew him. at some point you supported some of what he was for and you have had an about face. can you just tell us your donald trump story?

>> yeah. i mean, i've known him for 25 years and, you know, i've done various interactions with him. got to talk to him. in 2015 when he came down the escalator, in 2016 early on, okay, this guy is not a traditional politician, but i also presumed that he would start to learn and really take an interest in the job, in what it takes to run the country and, you know, learning the issues and the details, and i got to the point where i realized, he had no interest in learning. he had no interest in detail. he had no interest in really finding out what it takes to be successful with any policies. and it was kind of crazy, he -- you know, one time i spoke negatively about him and he sent me -- he writes it out, somebody scans it and then someone sent that as an email to me. what happened? literally i said, donald, you're not taking time to learn the issues. you're not taking the time to learn the details. that is a problem that i can't support and that's where we kind

of diverged and went our different directions. he hasn't changed. no one's talking about donald trump that, boy, that really was a nuanced position. boy, he really was able to show us detailed policy depth on what he was talking about. it's the exact opposite. whatever donald trump says something, everybody else has to explain for him what he said, right? it's never i'll get to that. i didn't convey it right. i'll give you the details on why i said what i said. it's the opposite. it's all of that, all of his supporters saying, no, this is what he really meant. it's the opposite with vice president harris. when she says what she says, everybody knows what she means. that's a stark difference between the two. and that's why i got off -- yeah, no interest in the details. >> it's such a bad bet. how do you explain any of your peers in business standing with him? his policies are anti-growth. they're protectionist. his instability seems like the

greatest liability any democracy or any economy could contemplate. >> you know, most people don't look at the big picture, right? you have some in the silicon valley, the hard core tech people like elon that i truly believe think they can manipulate him, right? this happened before when people wanted to be the adult in the room and turned around and tried to get him to do what they wanted and it never worked out well for them. i think that's really where they're coming from. hey, i can convince this guy to do what i need him to do for my business or whatever ideas that they may have. then there's folks in the middle where it's purely just a tax issue. hey, my taxes will be 20% versus 28% with vice president harris with corporate taxes. what i try to say to them, almost all large companies do international business. if you are importing anything at all, if you are adding a 10 or 20% tariff to what you import into companies, it's going to cost you far more than the delta

between 20% in trump and 28% from kamala harris, right? most people don't do that math. a tariff to 20% is more than a straight 28%. >> there was a line that sounded like it might resonate with the sharks. she said, quote, there's no incubator like america. talk about -- >> way to line it up. >> talk about how important it is for people to hear. >> so the reason i've done "shark tank," which i've loved for 15 years, is we get to send a message that the american dream is alive and well. the one thing that separates this country from every country in the world, every single person has said, i have this idea. i have this goal to create something bigger, to turn it

into something special and they go around. in this country people encourage you to go out and start that business. the best part about what she said, the best part about this country, it could be a kid, it could be a 12-year-old in a basement, it could be an 18-year-old in idaho, it could be someone in nebraska, they're able to go out and create something unique. i always tell entrepreneurs, just ask yourself one question, why not me? why not me? why can't i be the person that goes out there and creates a business that changes the world? that's exactly what vice president harris is communicating today, that every single person in this country has that entrepreneur in them, the ability to reach their american dream and she's going to help lift them up and put them in a position to succeed, put them in a position where that american dream can come true, not just for themselves and not just for the entire country, but she talks about ai. ai is going to impact the entire world. we have to win ai and it wouldn't shock me if it was a 14-year-old boy or girl sitting

in a classroom listening to what she said and says, you know what, i'm going to go for it. i'm going to start this ai company and changes the world. that's why what she said is so important. >> no one has talked about politics in this sort of future, you know, owning the future, winning the future context in a long time. it's really -- it's such an interesting place. >> it's awesome, right? >> it's awesome. >> yes. >> it's awesome. >> donald trump calls it vai, right? >> exactly. >> vai. if you call something vai, that means you can't even spell ai. >> george bush, it was a long time ago, called google the google. >> i think we're losing you. >> there you are. >> no, i've got you back. >> my last question is, you are alone in the room with an elon musk, what is your plea in terms of voting for harris, not just for the economy but as you just

said, for the future, for democracy? >> i mean, elon is elon. i'm not worried about him. what a lot of business people don't get -- i look at the harris campaign as a company and cam mall la as the ceo. she's had, what, 45 days, 60 days to build an entire organization. you look at the result. she went from negative favorability rating, she went from recognition being relatively low, she went from being way behind in every single poll you looked at and now look where she's at. worst case she's tied best case she's ahead. when you are able to turn around a battleship like a presidential campaign and go from being way behind to tiedor ahead, you're doing a lot right. and on the flip side, if you had what seemed like an unyou are r surmountable lead and you've given up that lead to another ceo, you're getting fired. that's the beautiful part of looking at what she's doing. she's run her campaign like a

ceo. she's had success. when i go to talk to business people, that's what i tell them. she's actually running her organization like a ceo, and that's the evidence that you need to know that she'll be a great business leader, she understands organizations and she'll be a friend and partner across the board. >> mark cubcuban, fantastic to k to you. >> any time, nicole. thanks so much. >> tara longwell, i don't know what the harris campaign will do with that, but the "shark tank" viewer in america, i'll take that viewer, that vision of america over "the apprentice" hanger onner any day of the week. i love that frame. if you look at what kamala has done as a company in 40, 60 days turning around a minus 16 favorability to tied or ahead, i'd hire her for anything. >> you know, this is why she

needs more spokespeople like mark cuban out there making his case. that made me want to run through a wall, right? yes. yes, she's on a turn around operation. she's taken a failing campaign, a failing company and she has turned it around and she has made it profitable. she has turned it into a winning campaign. that's a great framework, and i think it's really true. you know what, i'm just going to say this again. i said it on your show again yesterday. it bears repeating. the more voters see of kamala harris, the more they like her. her getting out there and going often offense, this is something else mark said that i think was really right. or maybe it was matt. the idea of going on offense. democrats are so skittish. republicans get this weird -- you know, the fumes of ronald regan where people perceive republicans to be better on the economy. frankly, for a long time, rope cans did have a good idea and

that's why i identified as a republican. you know what, donald trump just wants to tariff people to death. he doesn't have any other economic policies he's committed to. she should go on offense against him. she should push it. all donald trump has is the fact he was a game show host, you know, 12 years ago that made the american people believe that he was a good businessman. he wasn't a good businessman. the so i think -- i think more entrepreneurs, more ceos, more business folks need to stop worrying about a couple points on taxes and need to think about the broader democracy in which they operate and the fact that kamala harris is the one that's going to provide a stable economy. she's making a pitch to them right there about entrepreneurialism, innovation, the middle class. that is good stuff. >> i want to ask you guys, i thought there was an interesting emphasis on changing the requirements for degrees. talk about going on offense, the most crucial part of trump's

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we're back with three of our most favorite friends. let's eliminate degree requirements. i'm going to challenge the private sector to do the same. the skill is important, specific, targeted to one of

trump's perceived strengths. >> yeah, i'm glad she mentioned it today. it was at least a week or so ago she was planning on doing this. the when she did i mentioned to two or three people, it was one of the smartest things a democratic candidate had done in years because there's a whole group of voters out there, younger men, younger women, who decided they didn't want to go to college and they wanted to pursue something, they wanted to start a business, they wanted to go do something else, they wanted to take a year and be do something. my youngest son went to lsu for a year and decided i want to computer code or i could go to computer code boot camp and not get a degree but get the ability to computer code and never went to college because of what he could do on his own. this is such -- one of the things that takes away donald trump's -- the fear he brings and the hate that he brews against, quote, educated

classes, people who look down on you. there's all of the stuff that have grown up people with degrees look down on people without degrees. i think it's smart politics. when i heard it last week i told four or five people that i thought it was one of the smartest things i've heard done by a democrat in years. >> she layers it with all of this understanding. she said we're going to emphasize skills and not just degrees. she talks about the apprentice programs inside the trade unions. she's -- to mark cuban's point, this is -- not to denigrate it, she's not just looking at things that are popular. she understands things, she's not guessing. here we go. >> yeah. i'm fine with poll testing. >> me too. the me too. me too. 41 days and counting. bring on the focus groups.

i guess my point is it's not that it has resonance. she understands what she's pitching here. it goes to this other trope about her. she knows what she's talking about. she knows exactly what she's talking about. >> but it also goes to solving the core problem. look. what has been a real issue, you know, over the last couple of years and really been a thorn of an issue, even for people like biden for student loan debt, he's relieved a lot of student loan debt. people are frustrated by student loan debt and the amount it takes to be up for college. that education dream is increasingly being moved out of the reach for working class families who don't want to get in that sort of debt. this speaks directly to them, right? this idea that you don't have to take on all of this debt. you don't have to go this path in order to advance and sort of have -- grow opportunity, right? this is really sort of growing

opportunity for working class people, right? skilled labor, like build skilled -- once upon a time skilled labor was -- skill labor worker could earn a living, could build a -- could have a home, two cars, put their kids through college. i'm a living example of that because my father was a skilled laborer who had a house, two cars, put his kids through college. it's getting back to the root of the american dream of what sort of hard work and skilled labor can do to pursue that american dream for all of us. >> there's another line i love. donald trump got played by china. i will not hesitate to stand up to china. the donald trump shipped chips to china which they used to help them upgrade their military. i will never sell out america. i will always work to make sure we have the strongest economy.

she really turned this into a strong leader speech on the back of an economic address. >> yeah. i loved this line because it does two things. one, it calls trump out for exactly what he needs to be called out for, which is that he is sort of a weak person's idea of a strong man. the i mean, he is somebody who sort of talks a big game about strength, but any time it came to world leaders, whether it's russia or china, he was getting owned by them. so i thought it was good she was absolutely going on offense against the things that are his perceived strength. i just want to mention really quickly because this line was in my head before on "the apprentice" book. donald trump had a tv showed called "the apprentice" but he's never cared one bit about real apprenticeship. another thing that i love, she was talking about real

apprenticeship as an economic matter. he doesn't know anything about it. republicans have been talking about this idea of skilled labor. marco rubio, his entire 2016 campaign was built around the idea of skilled labor. this is where democrats have been kind of bleeding voters. they've been bleeding these white working class voters. in fact, sort of a multi-racial coalition have been sliding away from democrats and moving towards republicans as republicans talk more and more about things like apprenticeship. so watching her grab that mantle and start to make that case to me felt like the moment that she decided democrats were going to start fighting for the working class voters again. they were doing very well with college educated suburban voters. she cannot continue to lose rural voters. she cannot continue to lose rate at the rate the polls are

saying. she's exposing donald trump for the fraud he is and passing the presidential bar. that's what the voters are looking for out of her. they're saying, does she look and feel like somebody who could be president. every time she gets out there she does pass that bar. she is eating republican's previous positions for lunch. she's making it work for her. >> i can't believe i have all three of you at once. i'm not going to squander the opportunity to take the truth serum and where you see the race. i have to sneak in a quick break first. we'll all be right back.

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i think that the vice president is locked into a lead. people get confused by all the polls and everything. when you have a three or four point lead in a polarizing environment where your opponent gets 46, 47% it's pretty solid. i think when you look across the seven key battleground states, i think they're all going to finish within a point or so of that national lead. so to me the most interesting state that i am focused on is north carolina.

if the election were held today, she wins north carolina and that's interesting because it's going to be a state that's called relatively early in the night. that could send a signal of what is going to happen that night. it could be in for a short night. i think this is not like 2020 where there's a huge divergence between the national and electoral college numbers, i think it's more like 2012. >> cornell, how do you see the race? >> well, now that matt took all of my talking points -- >> that's reassuring. tell me what you're worried about. tell me what you're worried about. >> well, look, i think that's right. i think we will see north carolina is a state that we'll see called relatively early. we'll have a sense. i like the way she leaned into working class voters because it

is -- it has been a place where democrats have been losing votes. but it's also a place where i think donald trump has been giving them something to hope for and cling to and it's -- since they're talking about movies. malcolm x movie, if you give people the dirty water and they're thirsty, they will drink it. if you give them something, an alternative, they will take it. for a lot of working class voters, that populism, i call it tribalism, i think he's been giving them that. the day she gave a lot of working class, especially working class white voters an alternative to the dirty tribal water, i think she'll do better. >> we were watching it live. how do you make sure the voters who think they want trump hear it before election day? >> yeah. look, i'm not sure if everybody

carried that speech live, but obviously she needs to give that version of that speech a lot more times. repetition in this fragmented media environment is really important to make sure that you're reaching i don't like to call them low information voters because i think they're busy people who live healthy lives. one of the things she has to do is not just speeches. she has to go on more podcasts, do more media. now that we start seeing her lay out the big vision, she has to road test that, talk it through with people. but i think she's got to do this offense on the economy because it's important. the path to 270 for her remains michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin and nebraska, too. she is doing well in those states. she is currently polling ahead in those states and she's been getting some good polls out of pennsylvania, somewhere worst case, best case up 3 or 4 points.

she has to continue to build out those leads. sunbelt states are important but north carolina has been a reach for a long time. they have this governor's race where mark robinson could be a real drag on the ticket. the interesting thing that could happen as well, i've talked to the voters where they reject mark robinson because he's too extreme. donald trump somehow looks normal by comparison and they still vote for him. so i don't chase north carolina as much. i'm very focused on the states that hillary clinton lost in 2016 but i think kamala harris can win. she continues to hold her numbers with older white voters which is important and good and a sign of her strength. she's just got to keep showing people more of her because they like her when they see her. keep chipping away and get herself into a more comfortable lead. >> matt doud, what keeps you up

at night? >> an election that's going to be decided by a few thousand votes. i mean, and a dem kra siz at risk, in peril, based on a few thousand votes. it keeps me up every night. it's kept me up for the last eight years and the power that voters have to determine our future is incredible in this moment. i think people understand that and i think more and more people understand that. the this isn't communal. joe biden won by 24,000 votes spread across three states. we forget that sometimes because it sort of gets in our memory, he got that, he won it going away. you know, the idea that, you know, she could win the popular vote by 4 or 5 million votes nationally but still be decided by a few thousand votes in a few states is incredibly nerve racking. >> cornell, the sentiment you articulated is also encapsulated by aaron sorkin and michael j.

fox's character. do you think that kamala harris's ability to do what mark cuban said, sort of speak to the future, has broken anyone out of the mirage of trump or trumpism? do you think anything he's done has shattered that? do you think we're still looking at earth 1, earth 2? >> see, i don't think -- listen. back to this point, right? we know not from polling donald trump is 46, 47% proposition. and i know we will talk about how we got the trump voteers. folks, i'm more concerned about her galvanizing the majority that's never going to be for trump. even in those battleground states, right, wisconsin, he's not better than a 47%

proposition in wisconsin. what will those other voters do? can she galvanize the majority that are for her or against her? i think she's put willing forward a quintessential optimistic american hopeful. let's go out there building message and i think it does resonate. i think it does pull in that majority -- the majority of voters. look, regardless of what happens, donald trump's going to get his 47%. he just is. it's what -- can she galvanize the rest around her? >> sarah lodge longwell says the largest voting coalition in america is the anti-trump vote. thank you so much for spending the whole hour with us. watching that speech with us. fantastic to see all of you. let's do it again. we're going to sneak in a very quick break today. the vice president just stepped

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so the proud people, a nation that harnesses the ambitions, the dreams, the

aspirations of our people seizes the opportunities before us because we see them, because we believe in them. that is what we have always tried and that is what we must now do. and i thank you all for inviting me. may god bless you. and may god bless the united states of america. >> hi, everyone. it's 5:00 now in new york. the speech wrapped up about 45 minutes ago. it is, of course, about the number of things you can count, dollars, cents, jobs, costs, inflation. enormously complex quote of metrics. in a political campaign at least as it relates to wins the campaign for president, the

state of our shared economy is about so much more for the voters, not just what the numbers say but about what people say, about what they feel, about their vibe about each candidate, for better or worse. it's for that very reason that the fight is on for the hearts and mind of the american people, they want more affordable grocery, gas, stuff. hand curtain number one, donald trump, who would prefer voters ignore stabilizing the prices of just about everything, lowering interest rates and rising wages. it's in his political interests for the american people to believe his version of the economy and the country. it's a boat that's sailing and he can only fix it. catastrophic tariffs and all. on the other side, vice president kamala harris, who's not only communicating the biden administration's successes but laying out her own plan for winning the future, and it looks

like it's starting to work. as we mentioned, there was a time voters trusted trump on matters of the economy. now most think the vice president is chipping away at that political advantage. quote, trump now averages 6 percentage point edge on the economy compared with a 12 point lead over president joe biden earlier this year. according to an analysis that measured voters' opinions before and after biden dropped out. what mark cuban called a turn around is because of the broader climb of vice president harris as well. right now stephanie ruhle is sitting down, interviewing vice president harris in one of her first major interviews on "the cycle." steph will join us and one of the most powerful and effective messengers, millionaire

businessman mark cuban who joined us during the last hour. watch what he said about vice president harris's performance since she took over at the top of the democratic ticket. >> i'm looking at the harris campaign as a company and kamala as a ceo. she's had, what, 45 days, 60 days to build an entire organization. and you look at the result. she went from negative favorability ratings, she went from recognition being relatively low, she went from being way behind in every single poll you looked at and now look where she's at. worst case she's tied, in many cases she's ahead. when you are able to turn around a battleship like a presidential cam pain and go from being way behind to tied or ahead, you're doing a lot right. on the flip side, if you had what seemed like an unsurmountable lead and now you've given up that lead to another ceo, you're getting fired, right? that's the beautiful part of looking at what she's doing. she's run her campaign like a

ceo. she's had success. when i go to talk to business people, that's what i tell them. she's actually run being her organization like a ceo and that's the evidence that you need to know, she'll be a great leader. she understands business. she understands organization. she'll be a partner to sit across the board. >> ring being endorsement there. joining us, tom heilman is at the table for the hour plus host of the independent american podcast, paul reikopf. joining us is writer and editor amanda carpenter. you were suing of chewing in the last hour how this speech speaks to the electorate and the bigger view of this. the this was clearly candidate and campaign that sees itself

very much on offense. >> yeah, certainly. what is this continually striking to me starting, you know, with the unveiling of this campaign since she clinched the nomination, something cuban is pointing out, she is running this as an organization and she is always signaling in ways that make the tent bigger than traditional liberal democrats have. i kept reading the speech. she was promising a stable environment with consistent and transparent rules of road and promises to cut needles bureaucracy and unnecessary red tape. that codes so hard for republicans. this is the contrast to the republican nominee in 2024. like embracing these common sense arguments that we need a stable environment so that business can thrive because the alternative is a lot of chaos and instability.

it's such a clear-cutynamic which is so interesting in a way that she doesn't have to do a lot of leg work to appeal to the voters who are outside the traditional democratic tent. >> it's so interesting that a man da picked up on that. i picked up on her sort of pinprick attack on his record. here she is calling him out on manufacturing. >> donald trump, he makes big promises on manufacturing. just yesterday he went out and promised to bring back manufacturing jobs, and if that sounds familiar, it should. in 2016 he went out and made that very same promise about the carrier plant in indianapolis. you'll remember, carrier then off shored hundreds of jobs to mexico under his watch. and it wasn't just there.

on trump's watch off shoring went up and manufacturing jobs went down across our country. all told almost 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost during his presidency starting before the pandemic hit. making trump one of the biggest losers ever on manufacturing. >> can you hear that? she called him "the biggest loser." >> well, you know, i thought it was true. he lost a billion dollars. >> right. >> lost a billion dollars. loser on a number of levels including in 2020.

when she became the de farming tow -- facto nominee, it was clear trump only had one path. people talk about how the map could be expanded and it has been expanded. people were worried maybe she wouldn't be as successful in michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin as joe biden had been because they're older, whiter states. not as much of an outsider. she comes back with the economic message. she's stronger in michigan. >> yeah. >> good polls in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. in fact, weaker, relatively speaking, in arizona, nevada and georgia. people are scratching their heads over why this is.

it is, i think, a lot of people on the campaign and other places view that as a reflection of the fact that the manufacturing economy in the midwest has benefitted from joe biden's policies. the there's lots of you can say about the perceptions but in that region the manufacturing base has really benefitted from biden. where she can continue back on biden's record. trump, the failures, mr. manufacturing, mr. builder guy. it's worked to her advantage. the interesting challenge is to continue to take that economic message and the message she's putting out and dealing with around immigration and are going to be a problem in arizona. the it's fascinating to see that the blue wall continues to be solid. solid in this very close environment for her. >> what's interesting talking to

mark cuban about her, our country's economy, is the starkness of how he sees the choice. he's not viewed by voters or anyone in politics as particularly partisan, but the starkness of the choice he lays out, basically radical, unstable, nothing but fulfillment and her moderate, pragmatic and he lost this line about america being the greatest incubator. >> ultimately it's a fight over many independent americans who are uneducated, noncollege educated, white guys in places like pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan. the key to her getting to them are two ts. taxes. saying you're going to reduce taxes. that's not what they expect to hear from the democratic branch. the second is toughness. that's what she's saying.

i can fight. i will fight for you. i can fight more effectively than him. that's about the aura of her. you complement that with tim walz, looks like them, get where they want to, do things like he's going to the minnesota/michigan football game. you're going after white voters, usc voters. it might be critical. a few thousand in michigan and pennsylvania. i think she's making headway. mark cuban is a very effective, trusted, famous, independent voice. >> on the toughness, i thought one of the toughest part of the speech was when she brought up china. she said, trump got played by china. >> yeah. >> she said, he sold chips to them. >> you can trust me more than you can trust him. you may not trust either of us, but you can trust me more.

look at his record, i'm going to bang on it. the message kamala will fight for you, when she has tim walz, mark cuban, see her fighting for ukraine, the working class. the origin story. super hero origin story is a winning message and gets many voters, they don't know. they introduce her and her super hero origin story. that as a fighter is going to be a winning message. >> the other point mark cuban made about some of this, the man up there, that's what you're talking about, is, you know, this idea, it's not only about elon musk. the voices speaking authentically to the manosphere may be different than the number of voters in the nanosphere.

the campaign needs to think the voters are gettable. there was a big chunk about leave requirements and pressing the private sector to do the same by leading the way. >> yeah. it's funny when you bring up the prospect of elon musk, when i was listening to mark cuban, wouldn't it be nice if we could get a debate with him and elon musk. that might be something i would watch. >> i think elon musk will run faster about debating mark cuban than donald trump running from kamala harris. i think elon musk could run faster from a musk/cuban debate than trump is running from the trump/harris debate. >> that may be right. thinking of elon musk, a lot of things coming from the nanosphere, kamala harris needed to do speeches, do interviews r views. she's like, okay, we're going to do that now and spent all of

september and october talking about the economy. sitting down for the interviews she dug for. and she's in command and particularly where they are. >> this idea, every campaign, right, especially this one, there's always a moment when a struggling campaign has a cycle of stories, we're going to let trump be trump, john mccain -- >> don't get all excited. >> harris so far, this is true of the debate, the commentary was that she had to be joyful and tough. informative. she was introducing herself. she did everything. >> she's now in the cycle. she's filling out her policies and press interviews. she continues to sort of -- in

terms of the expectations played out by the political class. i wonder what you make of david plouffe's direction and steering of this campaign? >> there is no one in american politics who is rigorously, almost creepily about runnings your own race. maniacle. when the candidate is being the candidate, succeeding, no one has to say that. >> right. >> it looks like the candidate is doing great. they have -- they don't care about the -- >> correct. >> -- chattering class. they don't care about the political class. >> they don't care about twitter. >> all they care about is they care about data.

>> he would be focused on a bite nail pundant saying things. they didn't close the sail. they know they have more work to do and they look at it against them. they want to get to the place where know feel like they understand enough about her. her core values, what she's going to do for them. they're reacting to the data but in a very careful plarnd day. now until the 5th. they know what they're doing until the end. they're tracking those numbers and according to plan. doing the things they want to do and it's attuned to what are voters telling us in those

battleground states that they need to get over the lot. >> and importantly she did do this speech in her biography. >> yeah. >> they still are prosetsing with it. ment we're here for the whole hour. when we come back, trump was talking about the economy today as well. instead, he picked a fight with ukraine's president zelenskyy. his dangerous rant and the latest embrace of authoritarians next. flashing red signs and the top democratic election attorney will join us. we'll have the first look at steph ruhle's interview with

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my colleague stephanie ruhle has just wrapped up her interview with kamala harris. here's her preview and this is what she had to say about trump. >> tariffs aren't immune to president trump. president biden has tear ris in place. he's looking to potentially implement more. where do you come out on it? good tariff. bad tariff. >> part of it is you don't throw around the idea of tariffs across the bored.

that's part of the problem with donald trump. i say this in all sincerity. he has to get serious about how he thinks about some of these issues. we have to be serious and have a plan, not just about some talking points ending in an exclamation at a political rally but actually putting the thought into what will be the return on the investment? what will be the economic impact. >> steph, mark cuban teed off on this as well. tell us more. >> trump's plan would be economically disastrous, but it should be. president biden has some on the books. the idea for harris or when trump gets on a podium and talks about it, he's talking about bringing back american jobs,

bringing back american harry tage. we've been accustomed to the way they live. they are bringing manufacturing back. she didn't want to get deep on what they plan to do, what her plan is for tariffs. they have a plan when it comes to manufacturing. the we have actually seen billions of dollars being put to work. thousands of jobs and 35 jobs manufacturing. the period of change that this has happened overnight. donald trump has appealed to the blue collar in 2016. the biden administration appealed to that base.

too much in those boats overnight. you don't have the teamsters union vote. she said, i have to earn their vote. this takes time. >> what else did she say, steph? >> i mean, if you think about it in total, she is laying out a detailed plan. she has a problem. people say, i don't know what her plan is. her challenge is trying to make people understand is her policies, her vision serves everyone. if we live in the same small town you get a $25,000 startup for your business, i might not work at that store but i want it

in my town. by expanding the child tax credit, by helping people get child care, will put more women back in the workforce. even if you aren't that person, if you help the community around you, everyone wins. in trump's policy, he's cutting taxes for the super wealthy or corporations. vice president harris versus president biden. he was clear. i interviewed him four years ago this week. he had that line, i'm here for scranton, pennsylvania, not park avenue. she said, i absolutely want everyone to pay their fair share, from billionaire to corporations, but i can work with everyone. i have worked with everyone. i'm all for everyone being a big success. her argument is she wants to build an inclusive country, an

inclusive economy. this is so important, nicole, what i didn't hear from her is divisive language. i barely even heard from her ripping on donald trump. if i was sitting across from donald trump, can you imagine the language? i don't know, nicole, vote for her, don't vote for her, isn't it nice to have a positive conversation. >> as for what donald trump said to you, i was hoping you would be divisive. we'll put a pin in that. >> never. >> let me -- >> let's be clear. let's be clear. i thought you liked him. >> you're having a banner week and i'm not going to slow it down. i'm going to look to them. let me play one interview and talk about it on the other side.

>> expanding the tax credit, money for the first home. if you can't raise taxes, where do you get the money to do that? do you still go forward with those principals and borrow? >> well -- but we're going to have to raise corporate taxes and we're going to have to raise -- we're going to have to make sure that the biggest corporations and billionaires pay their fair share. that's just it. it's about paying their fair share. i am not mad at anyone for achieving success, but everyone should pay their fair share. it is not right that the teachers and the firefighters that i meet every day across our country are paying a higher tax than the richest people in our country. >> bill gates said it this week, if he was in charge of taxes, he would have paid more. how do you find that line to make sure corporations are paying their fair share but they're not leaving our country? >> listen, i work with a lot of

ceos, i spend a lot of time with ceos. they agree people should pay their fair share. they also agree when we look at a plan such as mine, investing in the middle class, investing in new industries, investing in entrepreneurs and the overall economy is stronger and everyone benefits. >> i love that answer. >> i do, but here's one that's a little tricky. she doesn't answer the question around if the gop is controlling the senate, she can't raise corporate taxes, where is she going to get the money from. she says, we just have to do it. that's great and that's a campaign promise, but the issue is, if it means we're going to just borrow again, then what we're doing is we're just never addressing the deficit.

back in the days when you were a proud republican, that matters. she is running for president, not perfect. as it relates to deficit, donald trump is going to balloon it significantly bigger than vice president harris will, but that is -- it's like the american people have forgot or we no longer think debt and deficits matter. they will at some point as they balloon. she's saying, it doesn't matter, we're going full steam ahead. i don't faurlt her for it. the the american people aren't prioritizing saying you have to focus on this. as much as she's not focused on it, donald trump is not focused on it in a much bigger way. >> steph, swhurp interviewing vice president harris, we were talking to mark cuban. if you were in a room with elon musk, what would you say? he said, don't worry about elon. as a turn around artist, she took something that was failing and in 60 days she bridged a

minus 16 point deficit on favorability to positive. she took a campaign that had no enthusiasm and now has the enthusiasm advantage. she took something that was behind and at worst tied in most instances ahead. her leadership acumen are what business leaders are responding to. the what did you -- you know those people. do you share that assessment? >> without a doubt. she actually said it. what i often hear from people in the business community, people like donald trump's tax cuts. well, i've never seen her run a business. they don't miss the fact that he's run businesses that have gone bankrupt. she's a politician and she can handle the oval office. you have a detailed plan. running the country is unpredictable. you have to have great

instincts. tell me, what is the last gut decision you made. she thought about it for a second and she said, my running mate. she laid it out there and she said, listen, there's all sorts of polling, numbers, analysts and consultants telling you who to pick, why, what state matters. she said, i picked timmy walz from my gut. he was the right person to be my partner. he was the right person for the country. it sort of compliments all the things mark said. she's a great turn around artist in a failing business. where she took it. things are much farther along than they were two months ago. couple all of that strategy and political acumen, she said, i went with my guilt. i'm calling him america's dad. the coach you love. the teacher you love. i think that's the winning combination. kind of when she said that, i looked around, surrounded by all of her team, the politicos, she

just said, i picked tim walz from my gut. i flashed back to the former football players on that stage. his son in the audience, that's my dad. when she said that, i went, damn, i can't wait to call that wall street guy who three weeks ago said, she's a politician. can she run anything? can she do anything? i want him to look into that. by the way, mark cuban is right. take a real close look at the business side who are backing trump, they're transactional business guys. it is not about holistic leadership and that is what mark was talking about. >> i don't know what you're running on, sister. i want some. congrats on the interview. thank you for bringing it here first. we will all be watching you tonight at 7:00.

exclusive interview with vice president harris airs right here at 7 p.m. eastern on msnbc. we will all tune in. again at 11. our panel is still with us. this is some of what you are talking about. it's not the politics of division of leaving anybody out, it's about bringing the politics to the table. >> gren ner racial thing. they're the reasons people have to interject. in a business community, there are some members in the community who are going to -- a cut on taxes. if you look at the size of the total, a lot of tax cuts, trillions of dollars of tax cuts and donald trump is pushing for an extraordinary amount.

>> tariffs. >> business tariffs. keep his taxes, reinstate the -- extend the taxes he cuts and get back saalt. he's a give away candy store president willey nilly throwing things out there. the reality is business people say i know he's an idiot. between the regulatory relief, we'll get richer. cuban is just very much generationally synced to kamala harris and her husband doug emhoff. california connection. mark is in texas but for a long time from california. that entrepreneurial -- they don't seem hostile to entrepreneurialism. temperamentally. not just in terms of policy.

the outreach -- >> yes. >> the silicon valley, wall street. people look at trump, whatever you think of him ideologically, a lot of the youngest dynamic leaders say, you're not with this. you're not into the building of the economy that's friendly to entrepreneurs. >> most entrepreneurs appreciate immigration policy. trump single handedly killed it. the dangerous, unhinged rant from the guy who called grant, donald trump when he went on attack when he attacked our closest ally, president zelenskyy from ukraine. we'll bring it up next.

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we continue to give millions of dollars to a man who refuses to make a deal, zelenskyy. there was no deal he could have made that wouldn't have been better than the situation you have right now. you have a country that has been obliterated. not possible to be rebuilt. it will take hundreds of years to rebuild it. the there's not enough money to rebuild it if the whole world got together. they're not going to be satisfied until they send

american kids over to ukraine and that's what they're trying to do and the moms and dads of america don't want their kids fighting ukraine and russia. >> stop right there. no one is suggesting sending any moms or dads' american kids over there. that's something we had to show you. it is what it looks like when the folks around trump let trump be trump. as tom heilman said, that's usually a sign of a campaign's political weakness, not strength. that was from today. a speech in north carolina that was a speech about manufacturing. of course, he spoke little about manufacturing during his 90 minute ramble. he instead took aim at president zelenskyy, for what, it's not clear, defending his nation against a tyrant, not cow jering to putin like trump may have. joining us, vaughn hilliard who watched it so we don't have to.

vaughn hilliard, talk us through it. >> reporter: nicole, going back to the spring when victor orban met privately at mar-a-lago with trump. after leaving that meeting he said that donald trump told him privately he intended to cut off u.s. aid to ukraine which prompted the e.u. to cut off their funding because they wouldn't be able to back them. we've heard very little from donald trump since the spring. he has not talked about it. where seven or eight minutes he went on a rif talking about ukraine and zelenskyy who i'm told he won't meet with when he was is in the united states. in part it's due to comments zelenskyy made where he criticized j.d. vance in a conversation with the new yorker where he said j.d. vance's

suggestion they should cede sovereign land would be a sleight to what the world beared witness to in world war ii and understanding that auto kratz like vladimir putin or adolph hitler do not stop once they breached and effectively acquired parts of europe. donald trump painted ukraine or i should say misrepresented the current state in ukraine. he characterized it in a very defeatist manner suggesting more cities will continue to fall. you heard him suggest volodymyr zelenskyy went to the united states and walked away every time he walked away calling him the greatest salesman on earth. suggesting there is no way back. there is all but no way for them to win the way. that's frankly where donald trump has suggested he will be able to solve russia's invasion

of ukraine in 24 hours. he has never been explicit how, how coming to this afternoon where he got pretty close to suggesting all but that ukraine and in order to find peace it would all be require ukraine to acknowledge defeat in towns across the country and all but mean acquiescing to russian aggression and the current state of where the borders are at. >> why does this matter? i think you got at that in your incredible download there. why it matters, people like vladimir putin don't stop at ukraine. they move on to maldova, poland. i think often as is the case with donald trump, donald trump is the reason putin escalated. let me show you this earlier.

>> half hearted settlements, so called set of principles. it's not only ignoring the interests and suffering of ukrainians who are affected by the war the most, it not only ignores reality but also gives putin the political space to continue the war and pressure the war to bring more nations out of control. >> the person drawing america into world war 3 is donald trump. he gives putin what he wants and he expands what he wants. that is how america ends upturning into a land war with europe. it's donald trump's doing. is that his intention? >> reporter: he didn't condemn outright vladimir putin at this campaign event. instead, he called out zelenskyy

for the dispersion being cast upon the republican ticket. i think it's worth noting, nicole, it's not just donald trump. this afternoon the speaker of the house, mike johnson, he called for the ambassador of the u.s. to ukraine to resign calling on zelenskyy to fire the ambassador for allowing zelenskyy to go to pennsylvania, the trump campaign has characterized the battleground state and appear alongside josh shapiro. there was no political commentary from zelenskyy. they called on james comber saying it was a political maneuver. citing the impeachment of donald trump back in 2019 for his phone call to zelenskyy, trying to equate the two. this is a moment where donald trump is getting backing from some key members of the u.s. house on the republican side

here. if donald trump were to win the presidency and the u.s. house were to maintain a republican majority, there are serious questions about what ultimately the u.s. support of ukraine would be like looking forward. >> this is a whole self-capitulation by taxpayer funded folks acting under functions by mike johnson. vaughn hillyard, thank you. we'll get the panel in on this. i have to take a quick break first. don't go anywhere.

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now, understand what that would mean because putin's agenda is not just about ukraine. understand why the european allies and our nato allies are so thankful that you are no longer president and that we understand the importance of the greatest military alliance the world has ever known, which is nato, and what we have done to preserve the ability of zelenskyy and the ukrainians to fight for their independence. otherwise, putin would be sitting in kyiv with his eyes on the rest of europe, starting with poland. and why don't you tell the 800,000 polish americans right here in pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch?

>> we are back. -- seems to be serving himself up -- >> these images in my head. >> you're not wrong. >> and it comes back to what we talked about earlier, toughness. she's going for it because she's got the high ground maybe on this issue more than anything else. i don't know if anything divides trump and harris more than ukraine. it's a capitulation, what he's doing, what vance and these others are doing is treasonous. it's got our enemies celebrating. it's in contrast of american values. and it's unstable. i think that's the throughline between this and the community that she can hammer on. he is crazy and i am stable.

you may not love me, but you know what i'm going to do. whether you're a business leader or a nato ally, you can trust me more than you can trust him. the people that she's got to make feel okay with her as commander in chief, that's the differentiator right there. and she needs to hammer it. >> amanda, he is running on appeasement, appeasing vladimir putin. that used to be not just a foreign policy loser but a political loser. >> yeah, i mean, this is a thing that is -- frankly, it is just so horrifying to watch from just a national security perspective, an american perspective. but i think it's hard to explain in election cycle why this is so problematic. when he gets on stage and says, we don't want to drag your sons and daughters into a war. that pulls at people's heart strings. harris has to talk about how the nato alliance keeps americans safe. he's talking about run agoway from that.

john bolton says he will shred the nato alliance if he comes back a second term. it's no mystery why he cuddles up to -- he likes strong man politics. when he subtles up to people like orban, he's finding ways to bring that authoritarianism them to. that's how it needs to be talked about to voters to explain the stakes of this election. it's not a coincidence that he quicked jd vance as his vice presidential candidate. jd vance is one of the point people for russia in the united states senate, smearing vladimir zelenskyy any time he can. i hate to get wong ki on this, but the way trump even talks about tariffs is importing the authoritarian world view. tariffs are taxes, and the way he wants to wage it in punitive ways against companies that make him look bad -- he'll just toss out from the podium that john deere should be subjected to all

these tariffs because they're relocating operations from iowa to mexico. okay. we have a debate about that. i grew up in michigan, watched a lot of companies go out of the country. but there was not a president that said, i am going to punish you and shame you into keeping operations here instead of finding a stable way to improve the business climate for everyone. >> you get the last word of the day. >> gross. >> me? >> no, just the whole trump for lunch with the ketchup thing. ew. >> i just mean offering himself up? >> i know, i know. but it's just a very vivid image. >> good. i mean, right? 41 days. shouldn't we be vivid? >> yeah, vivid is good, i guess. but unappetizing nonetheless. i may have nightmares tonight -- >> about ketchup? >> trump covered in ketchup. i don't want to say it out loud. you're making me say it out loud. it's terrible. i think that this issue is really brutal for him. and i think it's one that -- it's such a clean hit. and he keeps just feeding it. >> it's so weak.

>> i just want to be -- he basically wants to be putin's -- and he says it over and over again. he comes right out and says it. >> i'm not sure that being putin's -- is any less horrifying than serving yourself up for lunch. >> this show is salty. this is a salty salty. >> it's only wednesday. they're wrapping me now. all right. john, paul, amanda, thank you all for spending the hour with us. we're going to clean things up around here. >> no we're not. >> we'll be right back. around h. >> no we're not. >> we'll be right back r of dell ai. ♪ progressive makes it easy to save with a quick commercial auto quote online.

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