are actually illlliterate. they're sitting down with reputable organizations, answering questions. harris and walz have questions and intellectually serious ideas they could put forward. donald trump is sitting down with folks who traffic in ufc fights and online conspiracy theories. jd vance is taking questions from reporters publicly at his rally almost as some sort of performance, to sort of say, look at me, i'm not afraid to take questions from reporters in front of all of you. as you see, he takes a question from a reporter and berates them. i would say the harris-walz team will keep doing what they're doing. >> trump, at times, is being coached along in his answers by the person asking him the questions. msnbc political analyst alexi mccammond, thank you for your insight. we appreciate it. thank you to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this thursday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. this next month, trump is

appearing at a univision town hall with a spanish-speaking audience. he's started preparing. check this out. >> do you want to learn spanish? >> it's got to be perfecto. >> you need dual lingo, trump edition. it's easy. repeat after me. manana. >> melania. >> venezuela. >> venezuela. >> puerto rico. >> puerto rico. we love puerto rico. >> before you know it, you'll be fluent. >> hambre pelequin. is that right? >> wow. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is thursday, september 26th. vice president kamala harris and donald trump were in swing states yesterday delivering dueling visions for the economy. we're going to play their remarks. plus, hours from now, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy will meet with

president biden at the white house, while donald trump snubbed a meeting with the ukrainian leader. we'll tell you why. also ahead, we're tracking hurricane helene, set to intensify and cause catastrophic damage across the state of florida. a lot to cover this morning. along with joe, willie, and me, we have the host of "way too early," white house bureau chief at "politico," jonathan lemire. u.s. national editor at "the financial times," ed luce is with us. columnist and associate editor for "the washington post," david ignatius is here. and congressional investigations reporter for "the washington post," jackie alemany. willie, we have major news to get to out of new york city. why don't we start there? >> sure do,mika. this front page, of course, of all the newspapers in new york city, "new york post," eric adams saying, "i am a target," then "the daily news" saying,

"indicted." adams is expecting federal charges out of the district of new york later today. the indictment remains sealed, but cnbc reports it accuses adams of criminal conduct related to donations in his 2021 mayoral campaign. adams denied wrongdoing while vowing to stay in office. he released a video addressing his fellow new yorkers. >> it is now my belief that the federal government intends to charge me with crimes. if so, these charges will be entirely false based on lies. but they will not be surprising. i always knew that if i stood my ground for all of you, that i would be a target. and a target i became. enough. i will fight these injustices with every ounce of my strength

and my spirit. if i'm charged, i know i am innocent. i will request an immediate trial so new yorkers can hear the truth. >> let's bring in nbc news national law enforcement and intelligence correspondent, tom winter, and former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin. good morning to you both. tom, we expect probably later today to get detail about what is inside this indictment and what the mayor of new york city is accused of. a lot of this centers around turkey and donations to the campaign in 2021. for people who haven't been following this, don't live in new york city, this comes sort of at the end of a long, domino effect of people who have fallen. the police commissioner stepping aside. the health commissioner stepping aside. schools commissioner, as well. fire officials, fire safety division officials being charged. >> right. >> bribery schemes. what do we know about what the

mayor is being charged with here? >> to your point, this investigation really kicked off in earnest almost a year ago on november 2nd, when brianna scuggs, who was the head of his campaign, was searched. the mayor was in washington, d.c., at that moment. we had heard across town that there was some law activity going on, and there was some sort of something that was afoot. the mayor, when he canceled abruptly his plans and decided to immediately come home to new york, we first got an indication of, oh, something pretty serious is going on. initially, we didn't know it was a search tied to his campaign. people were wondering if there is some sort of a terrorist type of attack. obviously, that was less than a month after october 7th. then the investigation really took the next level november 6th of last year when the mayor, surrounded by his police detail, out and about in the course of his business, is approached by multiple fbi agents. they ask and demand his phone and ipad. more recently, in september this year, just after labor day, the

deputy mayor of public safety who oversees the nypd, phone taken. david banks, the schools chancellor, phone taken. sheena wright, key adviser. one of the most loyal and one of the most important advisors to mayor eric adams, her phone is taken. she's the wife of david banks. then on saturday night, two saturdays ago, out of the blue, we get a letter from their attorney, lisa zornburg saying, you know, i've decided to move on, effectively. this has been developing and building. specific to your question, we don't know the charges. you referenced the turkish donations and whether or not the consulate here in new york, the safety approvals were fast tracked in exchange for some sort of donation or for benefits or gifts. that could be a component of it. i don't think the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york only charges based on that one specific incident. there's a number of things that

we're hearing. a number of things we're continuing to report out. i wouldn't be surprised if this is a large indictment with a significant charge on it. i think that's the level you'd get to go after the mayor of the city of new york city. >> out of the southern district, this is going to be major. the fact that federal prosecutors are looking into this and has been for a long time. it's been, as tom laid out well, almost a year, ten months of this slow roll of, as tom mentioned, the mayor being approached as he walked out of an event down in the village by federal officials. give us your phones. give us your devices. what do you expect to hear today if and when this is unsealed? >> i expect, as tom does, that there could be multiple charges against the mayor. what we don't know is who else could be charged here. there are, based on what we know just about the steps the southern district has taken, any number of people, both who worked in an official capacity and unofficial capacity on the 2021 campaign who could be

charged. one of the things i'm looking for today is who is not named as a defendant in this. whether or not there are unnamed co-conspirators, for example, in this indictment, or there are people who don't appear at all who you would have expected to appear. "new york times" reported several months ago that one of the mayor's aides, ronna abasova, is said to have been cooperating with federal investigators here. whether she appears in this indictment, either by name or by reference, is something i'm particularly focused on. >> jonathan lemire, you can put on your daily news alum cap right now for the next couple of questions. going back, even to the beginning of his campaign, there were always whispers also mayor adams' ethics. ethical questions swirling around him for some time. but you'd ask somebody, what specifically? you'd never get any specifics. but that was something that

everybody said followed him around, that you'd talk to that knew new york politics. first, speak to that. secondly, if you will, speak to the number of politicians, including andrew cuomo, who are now going to begin posturing themselves to run in a special election to be new york's next mayor. >> eric adams, a new york rise. he was the police officer, formed a group there of 100 blacks in law enforcement who care. then moved into, transitioned into politics, a borough president. during the rise, there were always whisper in new york political circles, law enforcement circles, that something wasn't quite right. it was a campaign issue. he was investigated previously but never charged. you know, he won in 2021, you know, with pretty resounding number, and popular as first coming out of the pandemic. what we have seen here is these questions have dogged him throughout. as tom laid out, this has been something going on for a while.

we're still going to learn more later today when this indictment is unsealed, but there are four different federal probes right now ongoing into adams and his inner circle. this may not be the only case that comes to fruition with charges in the weeks and months ahead. eric adams is vowing to fight this, as we played from last night. he is vowing to continue. he is the first mayor in new york city's history to be charged with a crime while in office. stunning statistic. yes, because his poll numbers were so low, there are already a number of democrats, city officials, former controller, ad advocates, councilmen, announcing they'll challenge him in the democratic primary. normally, it's a gateway to city hall. yes, one name who has not jumped in officially but strongly rumored to be weighing a bid is former new york governor andrew cuomo. >> the former comptroller who is running for mayor again called

for adams to resign. aoc also called for adams to resign. the list is growing. to underscore, we saw the police commissioner resign september 12th. adams' chief council resigned. two fire department safety chiefs were arrested. then the schools chancellor a few days ago stepped aside, as well. that's just a few of them, by the way. i know we don't know specifically what's going to be in this indictment, but we use turkey as shorthand for shady connections, allegedly. what exactly are we talk about here? what have we heard from reporting that may have happened here with the mayor? >> yeah, i think you're looking at a situation where you may have pay for play. that's essentially what is being hinted at, what is being reported at, with respect to the turkey component of it. the question is, are there going to be other countries that are going to be involved in it? i think that's a big concern. i think, you know, jonathan mentioned the four

investigations, true, involving city hall, but we have additional investigations, including one involving winnie greco, the liaison to the asian community as assigned by the mayor's office. she's under federal investigation. she had her home searched. we believe that is, in part, separate from some of the things we're talking about here today. so that is a name that i'm going to be looking for over the next couple hours if not the next couple months. that's something to keep an eye oon. as far as additional charges, referencing the four investigations involving city hall, you have two other investigations that are going on right now. there is a new, freshly opened investigation into the sheriff of the city of new york. allegations he was skimming off money that was taken from illegal marijuana shops in new york city. that seems to be its own separate silo. then you have the ongoing investigation involving the new york city police department. you referenced the resignation of cabon, the police commissioner. a number of others had their phones taken.

that appears to be a separate investigation involving pay to play accusations there, as well. >> phones taken left and right. if you're in charge in new york city. lisa, it is worth pointing out, for the charges of weaponization by the justice department by republicans, there are a lot of prominent democrats now that are being investigated. turns out, if you are alleged to have done something wrong, democrat or republican, you might be brought up on charges. >> yes. despite that, one of the things i thought was notable about eric adams' response last night, it seemed trumpy, right? because i made particular pledges to clean up this city, i am now a target because of my views on the migrant situation. that's not what's going on here at all. the biden justice department is not seeking out people based on their political beliefs and prosecuting them. rather, what they're doing is following the facts. we see it happening to republicans and democrats alike now. eric adams puts an end to the

trump call of weaponization and, yet, he is also drawing from former president trump's own defense in his public statements now. >> msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, nbc news national law enforcement and intelligence correspondent tom winter, thank you, both, we appreciate it. much more to come on this, i'm sure. mika, all of this coming during u.n. general assembly week in new york city. >> i know. major breaking news. we'll be following this as it develops. the other big story of the morning, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy will meet with president biden at the white house today, where he is expected to present his so-called victory plan for the war in ukraine. president biden is expected to formally announce a $375 million aid package for ukraine, the largest since the summer, and the 66th aid package the u.s. has provided the country since august of 2021.

meanwhile, a meeting between former president trump and president zelenskyy will not be happening today. the two leaders were expected to meet at trump tower. when asked why the meeting was canceled, a source familiar with the matter pointed to zelenskyy's interview with "the new yorker" this week, in which the ukrainian president called trump's running mate, senator jd vance, too radical. adding, quote, his message seems to be that ukraine must make a sacrifice. at his rally in north carolina yesterday, former president trump continued to criticize zelenskyy. >> look at the war in ukraine. i think it is something we have to have a quick discussion about because the president of ukraine is in our country. he's making little, nasty comments toward your favorite president, me. there didn't even have to be a settlement. it wouldn't have happened,

period. russia wouldn't have gone in. i spoke to putin about it a lot. i got along very well with putin. i spoke to him a lot. i watched this poor guy yesterday at the united nations. he didn't know what he was saying. they just don't know what to do. they're locked into a situation. it's sad. they just don't know what to do. because ukraine is gone. it's not ukraine anymore. you can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people. so many dead people. any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now. if they made a bad deal, it would have been much better. they would have given up a little bit, and everybody would be living. every building would be built. >> thank you so much for your insights, neville chamberlain. peace at all costs. peace in our times.

you know, david ignatius, i have to say, it's really hard to be shocked by donald trump's republican party in 2024. >> yet -- >> and yet, we have, over the past several days, seen his crowds cheering for vladimir putin, seemingly booing volodymyr zelenskyy. donald trump talking about how -- saying one positive thing after another positive thing about vladimir putin. every time he speaks about putin. and constantly criticizing zelenskyy. constantly criticizing ukraine. constantly suggesting if he is president, he is going to end the war at once. there was a vanderbilt poll taken last year. they asked self-identified maga voters, who do you think is a better president, russia's autocrat, vladimir putin, or joe biden, america's democratically elected president? 52% said putin was the better president.

only 18% of these republicans said the american president was a better president. talk about not only how surprising that is, but i've just got to say, how challenging that is for our country, that you have a large chunk of americans that have been moving towards an autocrat because their leader is so supportive of an autocrat. >> joe, it's not just surprising. it's shocking. >> yeah. >> trump really is waving the white flag here. from the stuff we just saw, ukraine is gone. >> what? >> he's ready to declare this war, he's ready to install a peace plan that would essentially be a russian victory. >> he says ukraine is gone. he also says so many dead on the ukrainian side. he doesn't mention, of course, the one million russian casualties. >> you know, it's true that ukraine and russia both are just

punching themselves into the ground. i just was in ukraine. i wrote after that visit that ukraine is bleeding out. there's a generation that's dying on the battleground. it is a horrific war. but the idea that the answer to that, this terrible, terrible sacrifice, is to essentially concede to russia and to putin, his demands, it's shocking. question for me is when are republicans who widely disagree with this on capitol hill going to say something? going to say, "this is unacceptable to us, that ourspe behalf of our adversary of ukraine." >> he will support vladimir putin. >> yeah. but it is true that the war in ukraine is nearing a crisis point. ukraine cannot continue indefinitely. it either needs more weapons or

needs a new jolt of american-led diplomacy. but this current status quo, you know, as long as it takes idea we've had, let's just keep fighting a war of attrition and, someday, the russians will give up. that's not really a sensible strategy. >> it's not a sensible strategy for the ukrainians. it's not a sensible strategy for the russians either. they're pounding each other into the ground. >> russian casualties are significantly worse than ukrainian. there's some new figures that are coming out. i mean, it's shocking, the way that, you know, as people say, the butcher's bill that has been paid by russia in this war is just horrifying. >> jackie, you know, it was fascinating, during donald trump's first term, you would have him, of course, humiliating himself in helsinki with jonathan lemire asking questions that he walked right into traps in helsinki. but humiliating himself time and time again, kowtowing to vladimir putin. yet, not only did republicans on the hill hold the line, but mike

pence at the same time as vice president would go to, i think it was munich, and deliver speeches that ronald reagan could have delivered himself. there's always been this divide in the republican party. i'm curious right now, from your sense, are there still a majority of republicans on capitol hill that support pushing back on vladimir putin? >> it's a dwindling majority. it's a cohort that is losing their courage and losing members. mitt romney is out of office in january. he's retiring. he's been one of the biggest and really one of the lone, outspoken proponents of continuing aid. earlier this year, we saw 22 republicans who defied donald trump's wishes not to support new aid that was going to ukraine. again, it's very unlike -- i mean, there's obviously a huge unknown about who is going to win the presidential election, in congress, too, whether or not, you know, there might be a trifecta, potentially, or if

house republicans are going to hold the majority in the lower chamber and whether democrats are going to be able to hold their narrow majority in the senate. that is seeming increasingly unlikely. jon tester, obviously, has been defying political gravity for decades now in his career. >> he may be feeling gravity's fall, as r.e.m. >> the small leverage that republicans have in terms of being, you know, pro-ukraine and in favor of america having a robust role in global affairs, that is dwindling. >> ed luce, zelenskyy was presenting a peace plan to the u.n. yesterday, obviously, in these meetings, as well. is there potential for both sides to see what we're talking about here and say maybe there is an imperfect solution to this to end the fighting? >> i wish i could say yes, but i don't think that's possible right now.

look, remember yesterday, vladimir putin did something else that has had surprisingly little attention, which is he revised russia's nuclear doctrine. he revised it downward. he lowered the bar to say that countries that are supplying conventional weapons that are then targeted on russia would qualify as crossing russia's nuclear threshold. essentially, what he is saying is, america, if you listen to zelenskyy, the you listen to his request, that you use atacms or storm shadows or whatever the artillery is to strike inside russia, you won't know whether we're going to nuke you or not. you are crossing our threshold. that is not -- those are not the signals of a man who is prepared to sit down and talk. >> right. >> even if he were prepared to sit down and talk, it would be on putin/trump kind of terms. it'd be, how are you going to surrender, with details of what,

you know, the surrender would look like and how long it would take. this is not a position in which ukraine wishes to end this war. >> ed, i want to ask you about your reporting, david, jackie, about your reporting on this question of how far vladimir putin would go. i will say, i am very frustrated with trumpists saying, "abandon ukraine." but there is another side of this the biden administration feels the pull every day, and different friends of mine, fellow conservatives, fellow former cold warriors, who basically want ukraine to sing march to zion, riding american missiles straight into moscow. and any time you suggest there is a possibility that vladimir putin would use nuclear weapons, they're like, oh, come on, please. he hasn't yet. let me just speak for myself. i've spoken to foreign leaders who know vladimir putin, who have told me, back him into a

corner, and he will use nuclear weapons. if you don't believe he will, you're a fool. >> yeah. i mean, you can't sort of take this lightly. i would sort of get somewhere in between. >> yet, there are so many people that take this lightly and say, "oh, biden should give him this. biden should." they did from the very beginning. >> they did. i think we've discovered as this war has gone on that his nuclear red lines are not quite as close as we thought, very understandably early in the war. >> but that does not mean he doesn't have nuclear red lines, and this is the mistake. if you want to call it the neoconservative, the aging cold warrior wing, that's what we'll call it. >> there's a reason -- >> but they're acting like there is no red line. >> there is a reason why keir starmer of great britain, why the polish government, why other governments are now saying, look, they're agreeing with zelenskyy. look, let's give him the ability to target sites in russia that are firing at us.

>> right. >> we cannot get anywhere near the position where we'd like to negotiate a settlement unless we can strike back on even terms. somebody used the analogy the other day, i mean, david would know this better. there are all these ar row arrows coming in, and you can shoot some down, but you can't target the archer. that's not a fair fight. >> right. >> biden said all along, two goals here. one, give ukraine the means to defend itself. two, not to start world war iii. it is a difficult -- it is difficult to find that. some of the tools might cross putin's nuclear red line, you're right. >> joe, there's been an effort by zelenskyy to shame the united states into providing significantly greater support in the face of these threats. i've certainly heard that in

kyiv a couple weeks ago. our president is being attacked as weak-willed when, as ed said, he's been consistent. he views his job as supporting ukraine, resisting this invasion as strongly as he can, but also avoiding a direct u.s./russian war. any u.s. president who didn't take that seriously as a responsibility shouldn't be in the job. there's one other point that's, i think, significant. u.s. military officials that i talk to caution that shooting atacms 300 kilometers into russia when russia has already moved back all the good targets. they're out of range. the airplanes, the missile sites, they've pulled them back. but you won't get a tactical benefit that's commensurate with the risk. a much better use of the limited

atacms, just flowing out a christmas tree, but it's better to use them on russian-occupied crimea. russia is having a terrible time maintaining its forces. that's the vulnerability, i think. so the argument from american officials is, both in terms of risk and in terms of benefit to ukraine, a wiser course is to focus on crimea in the south. we're going to see today with zelenskyy's visit a real effort to pressure biden into doing something he's obviously reluctant to do. we'll watch and see what -- this is biden's last big play. let's watch it. >> the constant reminder from the administration is that ukraine is sacrificing themselves for peace in the world, that they're doing the fighting. yet, jackie, volodymyr zelenskyy visited pennsylvania this week and is getting a lot of attacks

from republican lawmakers for meddling in politics. what exactly happened? >> zelenskyy did a visit with democratic lawmakers. he also made a jab at jd vance that upset donald trump. i think this sort of was a permission slip for republicans to vacate town and not even be here today in order to meet with him or greet him or placate or humor him in any way. but i think it is reflective, again, of what we were talking about, the idealogical fabric of the republican party, especially in congress over the past eight years, has dramatically changed. you do have some people like mike johnson who occasionally sort of concede to reading in on the information, being convinced by the white house that, in these past packages, that republicans should ultimately coalesce around them despite some of his rhetoric. i also forgot to mention another

leading proponent for mitch mcconnell, also on his way out, at least of leadership. these are people who are losing power and are being continually diminished by the president, especially as trump continues to make this a rallying cry and we get closer and closer to november. there's just going to be more tension here. >> yeah. you know, willie, there have been republican leaders from mitch mcconnell to -- and mike johnson belatedly, obviously chairman ccaul, others who have supported the support of ukraine. there have been other leaders in defense and intel areas who have done that. may not have been a bad idea for the ukrainian ambassador or the white house to invite one of them to scranton, pennsylvania, so that looked a little less partisan. >> yeah, perhaps in hindsight. official of the united states army talked to the "ap"

yesterday off the record, on break ground, and said, we invite the safe senator, bob casey, and the congressperson who represents the district, who happened to be a democrat. perhaps they should have broadened that. this is more snowflakery from donald trump. i'm going to cancel my meeting with zelenskyy because he said something i perceive as a criticism, saying jd vance is too radical on the question of ukraine, in an interview this week. not meeting with him. again, taking great pains in that speechlavish praise on vla putin. "i'm close to him. i have his ear." former kgb agent, vladimir putin, couldn't imagine an easier mark than donald trump. flatter him, get what you want. >> he's done his bidding to this point and has given up the game early. if donald trump were to win in november, u.s. aid to ukraine would likely halt.

speaker johnson has called for zelenskyy to fire the ukrainian ambassador because of the setup of the meeting yesterday in pennsylvania. a few things to note ahead of today's meeting at the white house. to this point, willie, it's been a truism that zelenskyy pushes the white house to get more arms or more military. biden hesitates but eventually gets there. i'm told there's not, at least yet, an agreement, a willingness to give them permission to use these missiles deep into russia. in part, because u.s. supply, as david mentioned, is running very low. secondly, there is a trust issue. will ukraine adhere to an approved list of targets? will they freelance and strike deeper into russia than they should? this is ukraine -- initially, there was a blessing to damage the nord stream pipeline. zelenskyy went ahead with it, but permission went ahead anyway. there is a fear this could be a red line that would finally cause putin to escalate in some way. of course, president biden does not want.

the victory plan that zelenskyy is supposed to present to biden today, u.s. officials have seen pieces of it, including officials who have been to kyiv. they say, joe and mika, it's not particularly robust. it is a lot of it that lynn js hinges on the permission to get the weapons, to use them deep into russia. other things are recycled ideas from the past. they're hoping a little more meat to the bones. perhaps zelenskyy will provide that today. at least at this point, there is sort of a pessimism in the administration. this is going to be a game-changer. a real worry that the u.s. is going to have a hard time presenting further aid to ukraine, even if vice president harris wins, as long as republicans control one house of congress. >> i have to say, following up on what david had said and what jonathan just said there, but what david said about these lines not moving, and it can't be a war of attrition for the next two to three years. mark milley told me in february

of '23, he said, "you see those lines? they're talking about a spring offensive. those lines will still be there in the fall." those lines aren't moving. basically, at the time, he said, "i can't say this publicly, but the ukrainians aren't going to get every russian out of ukraine, and the russians are not going to get to kyiv." >> here we are. >> world war i style attrition. david, before we go to break, that's where we are. do you see any reason that might change? >> we are in a bloody war of attrition with limited gains on the ground. this is not world war i. it's got drones constantly at the front. there is a swarm on drones. i'm told you cannot move except at dawn and dusk because, otherwise, you're dead the minute you move. this is a war unlike any we've seen. the casualies on both sides are horrific. i was in a hospital in kyiv

looking at the people whose limbs have been blown away by drones. every single wounded soldier i saw had been hit by drones. you know, this cannot go on indefinitely. the question is, are we going to escalate radically with weapons that, you know, take the war much deeper into russia? that's what zelenskyy wants. get me out of this by escalating. or is there some alternative diplomatic approach, and i hope there's discussion of both. my own view is we ought not to announce what we're going to do with the weapons. let putin guess. >> right. >> if he threatens ukrainian civilian infrastructure, if he does more of the barbaric bombing, let him find out just what the range of the missiles is. >> right. >> but, you know, we are at a moment that is an inflection point. we often use that phrase. this is one. >> in the middle of a presidential campaign, which is down to the wire. >> yup. still ahead on "morning joe," secretary of state antony blinken will be our guest.

we'll talk to him about ukraine, as well as a new call for a cease-fire between israel and hezbollah. plus, vice president kamala harris and former president trump spotlight their economic proposals on the campaign trail. we'll take a look at that. and stephanie ruhle's exclusive sit-down with the democratic nominee. also ahead, the very latest on the path of hurricane helene. forecasters say the storm could be devastating and historic when it makes landfall along florida's coast later tonight. you're watching "morning joe." we're back in 90 seconds.

hurricane helene is set to make landfall on florida's gulf coast today, and the impact could have catastrophic. let's go to meteorologist angie lassman for the latest on the path. what's it look like? >> willie, it doesn't look good. we have the catastrophic impact for a lot of folks the next 24 hours. we already saw what it did to mexico. parts of cancun dealing with the heavy rain and the strong winds. it's only getting worse. we've already seen it become a category 1 hurricane. we're starting to see kind of the eye form. we haven't had rapid intensification overnight, but the winds are at 90 miles an hour right now. we are expecting the system to continue working its way to the north, over the really warm

waters. when it comes to the tropical alerts, this tells you everything to know about how expansive the system is. warnings going into the carolinas, covering the entire state of georgia. we have hurricane warnings from the coast up to portions of central georgia. this is a very large storm, a very strong storm, and it is only expected to get stronger, becoming a category 3 over the next probably 12 hours. it'll still be intensifying upwards of 6 hours ahead of when it makes landfall. the landfall time, 8:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. you see the worst of it, center of it, expected to come on shore. that's the big bend area. the wind field is expansive. 450 miles across. that means a couple of things. we'll be dealing with this up into portions of the southeast here for the extensive period into the day today. we have a couple impacts. the first, the winds. 90 to 120 miles per hour near the center. even down toward sarasota, we're talking about hurricane-force

wind gusts. this goes into georgia, as well. we'll see likely tallahassee dealing with some of the worst wind damage they've seen in history. guys, we have 10 to 20 feet of storm surge. that is unsurvivable. on top of that, the inland flooding will be impressive. this extends up into the appalachians. upwards of 15 to 18 inches will be possible. >> take this one seriously. listen to your local officials there. angie lassman, thanks so much. we'll keep a close eye on this. appreciate it. among the many impacts of hurricane helene, even major league baseball has taken note. the n.l. wild card race heading for the final day of the regular season they require an extra day because of helene. after the final two games of the series between the mets and braves were postponed yesterday because of heavy rain in georgia. the regular season was set to end sunday. the mets scheduled to return to atlanta on monday for a double-header that could determine who goes to the playoffs. meanwhile, in other baseball, diamondbacks zac gallen struck out a season high 11 to help arizona stop a skid.

d-backs tied with the mets for the second n.l. wild card spot. one-game lead over the braves. in los angeles last night, shohei ohtani continues to do his thing, signaling the go-ahead run for the dodgers, and then stole his 56th base of the season. sixth inning. dodgers beat the padres. l.a. can get the title for the 11th time. with the brewers' loss to the pirates, dodgers got a top two seed and first round bye in the playoff should they win the division. in philadelphia, after claiming the first n.l. eat title in 13 years monday night, the phillies clinched a first round bye in the playoffs in the win over the cubs. coupled with the brewers' loss, philadelphia secured the bye and the home field advantage in the division series. they can finish the season tied

with or ahead of the dodgers. in the american league, the orioles remain hot in the bronx, beating up on the yankees last night badly. 9-7. help of a missed play by rookie outfielder, that's not good, dominguez. the martian overrunning the ball. gunnar henderson had three of the first 12 hits. o's prevent the yankees from clinching the a.l. least. they're four games away with four to play. yankees still likely to clinch. the a.l. wild card standings are unchanged. a lot in there, john. i think what's fascinating is, now, the mets will come back to atlanta. likely, when you look at the schedules, it'll determine who goes to the playoffs. >> hard to imagine that that series won't matter. i mean, if somehow everything is wrapped up between now and sunday, maybe major league baseball advises the schedule differently, but it'll matter.

right now, the padres are in as a wild card. could be braves versus mets, which is a game separating the two, playing the last two games for a playoff spot. mets fans, it's been a magical run the second half. they're nervous about games in atlanta. also, you know, the pace of the highlights there show just how frantic and fun this final week of the regular season is going to be. >> good run. >> a.l. wild card race up for grabs. >> let's go mets. >> blah, blah, blah. >> we should note -- >> i don't want to talk about baseball. why are you wasting the time? our viewers tune into this show -- >> yeah. >> -- to hear about news. >> let's go mets. >> politics. >> mets double-header. >> we don't care about baseball anymore because the season ended -- >> last night. >> -- last night. >> it did. >> official? >> we are officially eliminated. >> red sox officially eliminated. >> ah. >> i think we're -- >> but the mets. >> -- going to be a .500 team, and that's all that matters now. on to football. coming up --

>> roll tide. >> yeah, roll tide. willie, i will say -- >> that game. >> -- viewers want to talk about two things. one, vanderbilt. new and improved. you guys should have won last week. >> should have. >> alabama and georgia this week. fantastic. >> that feels like a national championship game. the nice thing about this expanded playoff is you can lose one game if you're alabama or georgia and you better be in the playoffs. if you're a one-loss team. georgia should have been in it last year. we don't have to talk about that. but can't get a bigger game. the two best teams of the s.e.c. -- well, texas might be the best, but there are six of the top eight are s.e.c. teams in the rankings. that is a titanic showdown between the tide and the dogs. can't wait for saturday night. coming up, we are going to go back to politics. we have new polling from three key battleground states. arizona, georgia, and north carolina. we'll show you the new numbers straight ahead on "morning joe."

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the world heading to the polls in 2024, there are growing concerns about a rise in far-right ideology. in the european union, far-right politicians racked up gains across many of the union's 27 countries in their june elections. in the first round of the french elections over the summer, the country's far-right party secured over 30% of the vote, a ten-point increase from two years earlier. and while the united kingdom's labor party won a landslide victory in july, the country experienced massive, far-right, anti-immigration protests after a stabbing attack claimed the lives of three young girls. the protests were likely connected to a false rumor circulated online that the suspect was a migrant. joining us now, we have with us the mayor of london. good to have you on the show this morning. >> mr. mayor, thank you so much.

let's talk about that. obviously, keir starmer and labor given a remarkable mandate, but obviously rough going early on with violence and and, unfortunately, disinformation and a violent reaction. >> well, this is a good example, actually, of how a tragedy can be hijacked by the far right. a lie is spread, and the medium of social media with amplify the lie and spread it across the country. those lies, the disinformation reaches people who then turn up and protest. the point, mika and joe, you have these far rights, you know, violent people, trying to burn town mosques. they're trying to burn down houses of asylum seekers. they were stopping cars to see if people were white or of color. the person responsible for the tragedy was born in cardiff, in

wales, and is not an asylum seeker or muslim, as a side issue. but it shows the rise of far right. it shows nativist/populist movement. it shows how an unregulated social media can spread disinformation and lies across the world. >> it is a tragedy with the girls. there is an aversion in springfield, ohio, thankfully no one has been hurt yet, but it's a lie from the top of a presidential ticket. locked down schools, put migrants in harm's way. what in your view is the way to approach that? how do you put your finger in the dam that has sprung all these leaks of disinformation? >> what we've seen over the last ten years is issues on the periphery are now mainstream issues. you have mainstream politicians using the language of the far right. manufacturing lies against one

group, making them the enemy. pitting communities against each other. people have genuine concerns. people are concerned in the uk and usa about lack of decent health care, lack of decent housing, lack of decent schools. and they blame the other. the fair suspicious people have against the other is made worse by mainstream politicians spreading lies. the word prejudice comes from twopre and judging. people them to prejudge because people are amplifying hatred and lies. in the past, there would be checks and balances in the mainstream media. social media doesn't have the checks and balances. that's why it is really important, unless they sort themselves out, there's regulation to make sure there's proper responsibility on the social media companies. >> mr. mayor, as the globe comes out of the pandemic, there's a discussion about the health and

vitality of big cities. you know, certainly, there are issues presented by migrants, issued by homelessness, certainly affordability, the ability for someone to have an apartment or home in the city. how are you responding to the challenges? how healthy is london right now? >> we're buzzing. we're back. with respect to my dear friends here in new york, london is still the greatest city in the world. but here's an amazing stat, which is, roughly speaking, half of the world's population at the moment lives in cities. by 2050, it'll be 70%. people are moving to cities. growth, per se, isn't a problem. you have to plan for the growth. you have to build affordable homes. you have to build more schools. you have to invest in decent health care. that's the responsibility of politicians to address those concerns. turn a challenge into an opportunity. it's not the fault of the other. it's not the fault of asylum seekers, the refugees, the haitians. it's a thought of politicians not investing in these issues. by the way, these issues come

across the western globe. france, germany, the uk, italy, the usa, argentina. one of the things that worries me is, you know, these issues that should be responded to and addressed are being played on by politicians to win elections. i hope people try to win elections using hope rather than fear. >> mr. mayor, "the financial times'" ed luce has a question. >> mayor, you mentioned diplomatically the role of social media without mentioning the name of elon musk, whose role in the racist riots that britain was engulfed in during july, whose role of disseminating, you know, far-right people who he restored back to x, like tommy robinson in britain, alex jones over here, those types, some of whom were directing rioters to the hostiles you mentioned with asylum seekers in them. my question to you is, what

within the existing legal framework, without, you know, infringing on speech rights, what can be done to stop this egging on, this incitement of racial violence? >> look, actually, we all believe in freedom of speech, right, but there are restrictions on freedom of speech, for a good reason. copyright, defamation, laws. social media is the wild west. there is no regulation. the owner of a social media company, a respectable man, the richest man in the world, you know, amplified and propagated this lie. the way the algorithms work, ed, is click bait means if you do a negative message, a lie, it goes much faster than a positive one. you monetize hatred. i think the point to make, whether it is x, whether it's facebook, whether it is youtube, whether it is tiktok, is unless you sort yourselves out, regulation is coming. it'll have to be regulation that is multilateral for obvious

reasons. what happens, ed, is, you know, when you write an article, there are rules of the game, or as joe and mika report on this program. we read "mark twain." a lie is half around the world before you get your socks up. in the social media era, my profession has been responded fast enough. the owner of the social media wants a certain candidate in 40 days' time, and we can guess why. >> many of us in the country, many of us said this presidential election is the most important of our lifetime. i was interested to hear you say it actually is the most important of your lifetime, as well. why do you say that? >> i stood for re-election this may. i would have argued my election is the most important in the globe, right? it wasn't. we had a general election in the uk in july after 14 year. my party finally won an election. i would have said before that, it was the most important

election of my lifetime. it wasn't. the u.s. election matters. you set the tone for what happens across the globe. the phrase i use, i'm a poor piano player, is a metronome. you set the ripples of hope or fear. you can give credibility and free dense to people on the periphery, who are hate merchants, or send the message of hope. the role of the usa is important. think of this week. ukraine, the middle east, sudan. you are this one superpower that can influence these things. or we can be isolationists and give hope to the hate myrrh merchants, those who want to divide communities. all politics is local, but you have to recognize the impact on the rest of the globe. whether it is london, whether it is sudan, whether it is ukraine, australia, the middle east. >> before we let you go, it's a small club of mayors of the world's most important cities. ours in new york was indicted yesterday. wondering if you have any reaction to the indictment of new york city mayor eric adams?

>> obviously, it's shocking news when the mayor of a great city like new york is indicted. i'll let due process take its course. the rule of law matters. i'm sure they'll be responding shortly. >> mr. mayor, let's move on to important business now. liverpool yesterday, 5-1 winners over west ham. their new manager not doing too badly, winning four out of five matches right now. what's your thought? are we going to thrive in the post klopp era? >> joe, forget about the red sox. focus on liverpool f.c. >> i have no choice now. >> the boys played really well. 60,000 fans cheering on the reds. early days. he hasn't got the charisma of jurgen klopp, the passion that jurgen klopp had. but he's made a great, great start. we have to trust the manager. >> okay.

london mayor sadic khan, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. >> thank you so much. we appreciate it. you know, at the beginning, i wanted to ask you, david, at the beginning, there was a picture, as we talked about right-wing extremism spreading. there was a picture of the italian prime minister, prime minister, who many people feared was going to be hard right, close to russia. she has come out, of course, in support of ukraine. she received an award of the atlantic council the other night. i want to read a little bit of this to you, and let's talk about this balancing act. she says the west is more than a physical space. the west is a system of values in which the person is central. men and women are equal and free. therefore, the systems are democratic. life is sacred. the state is secular. and based on the rule of law. it's as if she lifted that straight from the declaration of independence. i will say, i know there are an equal number of things people

could say that concern them. i will say, though, she remains a fascinating figure and has been a strong supporter of ukraine and traditional, traditional views of what western civilization is supposed to be. >> i couldn't agree more. the fear about her was that she was part of the catastrophe sweeping europe, moving right. she has links to -- >> mussolini's party. >> she has been, and most european leaders have been, i think, committed. they understand that vladimir putin threatens the future of their continent, of their european union in which they prize. they have really begun to stand together. you know, if some catastrophe should happen and the u.s. aid is diminished under a future

president, i have growing confidence that europe itself would take up the slack. poland is now increasing pressure on germany to arm itself more. britain has been an incredible leader in standing by ukraine. and italy is a wonderful surprise. people thought, as you suggest, that meloney might pull back. she's done the opposite. you know, in a world where so many bad things are going on, i'm impressed that europe is standing a little taller and understanding its values. >> ed, also, at the voting booths. you look at right-wing extremism in britain. thoroughly rejected with this last election. i still say, i am still shocked the law and justice party that

manipulated power, you had tusk. in germany, a center party did better in local elections than anyone would have expected. france, i will say, macron, he is loathed by many people in france, but i will say, his stories are going to be great, looking at the machinations. what he's done in france the last six months is nothing short of remarkable. europe has found the center time and time again. we don't know what is going to happen in 2025, but isn't meloney a perfect example of how europe has, as david said, managed to center themselves? >> she's a great example. there is always a debate. do you exclude people from power, you know, in coalition governments if they're far right? do you say, you're unhygienic, we're not going to touch you, or do you bring them in and tame them? it's a debate that will never be resolved. but she is an example of

somebody who has been tamed. >> i love your choice of words. >> yeah, well, i mean -- >> many people believe mika has tamed me. >> i was talk about saying you're unhygienic. >> and the same, yes. she's had a share in that, as well. i wash my hair now. it's amazing. >> the clothes. >> your point. >> i would make the caveat, italian friends of mine say if you're gay in italy, if you want an abortion, if you're an asylum seeker, she's not quite the fairy godmother. this doesn't mean so say she's a full-blown fascist, but she's not the sort of person of their treems. >> okay. >> of their dreams. >> she's a person of the right. she is a center right. >> yeah. >> tough domestically. on the international stage, she has been far more nuanced than we expected, right? >> putting a pause on this. four minutes past the top of the hour, we do have new polls

from three key battleground states. the latest marist poll of likely voters in arizona finds former president donald trump ahead of vice president kamala harris, 50% to 49%. >> of course, "the new york times"/siena poll had donald trump up 73 points a couple days ago. shocking it was an outlier. >> likely voters in georgia, where the latest marist poll from there also finds trump ahead, 50% to 49%. >> one point, okay. >> north carolina, trump and harris deadlocked at 49% each. all these polls fall within their margins of error, of course. >> willie, shocking news. we should put breaking news at the bottom here. this election is tied. i will say, i'm almost getting the feeling, i don't want anybody to throw tomatoes at me, i almost get the feeling that if joe biden had somehow managed to stay in the race, it would still

be tied. donald trump's numbers aren't moving. it's just how many people eventually find their way back to the democratic party. >> yeah, it sure looks that way. there were emerson polls that just came through, by the way, that shows texas is within five points. i mean, obviously, a long shot for a democrat. the race with cruz is close. the states that looked to be in play for donald trump have now gone back or reverted to the mean. kamala harris in virginia, for example, is up by eight or nine points this morning. >> right. >> maybe that's the difference there. you're right, it's going to be neck and neck. donald trump has his people locked in. he was making a speech in north carolina yesterday about the economy. it was more of the same. it was at a pipe manufacturing plant near charlotte. he spoke for over an hour, veering off course, as he does.

at one point, went on a long tangent about his personal experiences of buying furniture in north carolina, prompting even fox news to cut away from his speech. >> north carolina was once the beating heart of american manufacturing. i know it very well. i was here many times to buy furniture for buildings. i'd come and look, and there was nobody like the craftsmen of north carolina. it was filled with companies like this one. known everywhere for its incredible craftsmanship and skill. i know from personal experience, though, that -- i was a big buyer. i bought a lot of things here -- that there was no place for furniture, in particular, like north carolina. you were the furniture capital of the world. but now, so much of that business has been stolen from you and it's made in china and other places. by the way, it's not as good.

the quality is nowhere near. you made furniture. you bought a chair, it was good for 30 years. you buy some of these chairs they sell you now, they break after two month. people are laying on the floor. suing you for giving them a bad chair. on top of it all, our government -- then on top of it all, you're sued because they fell out of a chair in a hospital. you made the best product, the best furniture. after the twin betrayals of nafta, which i ended, and china's entry into the w.t.o., world trade, north carolina lost over 300,000 manufacturing jobs quickly, including 67% of the -- >> all right, we're going to continue to watch this. we carried this economic speech in its entirety for almost an hour and a half yesterday. we're told the rest of his speech will very much echo what we heard yesterday.

>> will echo buying furniture in north carolina. willie, the thing that we have to grasp here is that this race is still tied. >> yeah. >> i mean, you look at that and are like, wait, this is tied? that guy, mr. shark, mr. hannibal lecter? yeah. i will say, i move to amend my previous remarks. you bring up some great points. i mean, joe biden was seeing numbers in minnesota, in virginia, in new hampshire get too close for comfort there. you may be right. there is -- i said there may be no difference. maybe no difference in donald trump's number, but a difference in how quickly people are getting back to the democratic ticket. most polls in texas, ted cruz is within the margin of error in most of the recent polls we've seen. florida also a pretty tight

race. word is that chuck schumer is thinking about burying a lot of money in florida. >> yeah. >> hoping to take out the florida senator there, a republican senator there. >> wow. >> it has gotten -- some of these battleground states have gotten tighter. old battleground states. some new ones are getting one in play. >> yeah, investing in florida, in texas, in places maybe they wouldn't be investing in a couple months ago. let's not forget, kamala harris, as she moved to the top of the ticket, raised gobs of money for the democratic party. >> so much. >> energized the base to go out and knock on doors and put up yard signs and do all of those things. you do have to laugh, joe, about donald trump. the idea when he was running his terrible casinos in atlantic city, he was going down to north carolina and hand-picking the furniture that would be in every hotel room. >> i want that chair. >> talking to the crafts men about what they did. then he worried about the lawsuits later when people would fall off of the chinese-made chairs. >> exactly.

>> relatable problems we all have. >> we all have those problems. >> let's bring in our good friend mike barnicle. >> seriously, who did not inherent $400 million from his father and blow it all in casinos in jersey? >> i don't know. >> happens to the best of us. mike barnicle is here. as well as the president of the national action network, host of "politics nation," reverend al sharpton. and staff writer at "the atlantic," mark leibovich. north carolina furniture, you will been down there, it is amazing. incredible at what they do. i just doubt donald trump has ever been. >> only thing better than witnessing their craftsmanship is talking to the craftsmen, taking the corners off pillows, making it softer. it is magic. donald knows all about that. he had a great, great conversation about pillows, softness, hardness. mahogany versus pine. >> tears in their eyes as they talk about it. >> sir, the couch here is the

best. >> sir, you have to -- wow. mark leibovich. >> kamala harris had an economic speech yesterday, as well. actually talked about the economy. >> i will say, it is fascinating. everybody said they wanted to hear about kamala harris. where is kamala harris on the issues? where is kamala harris on the issues? >> should have asked. >> i looked at a lot of right-wing outlets. strangely enough, they did not cover her speech yesterday. >> it was all the answers. >> which was middle class capitalism. she very clearly said, i am a capitalism. my goal is middle class capitalism. she talked again about how she was going to help small businesses. how she was going to help first-time home buyers. how she'd help young families with new babies. i mean, she laid out her, i think, more of a general view of where she wants to take the country. it is far more specific than

donald trump just saying tariffs, tariffs, tariffs. >> and furniture. >> it's true. people are clearly taking a few days to digest this. they'll be reading the issue papers really closely. >> of course, come on. >> it's ridiculous. >> kamala harris is the person in the race who has the room to grow. donald trump is a known entity. i mean, the anti-trump coalition in this country is much higher than it ever was for the pro-biden coalition. the pro-harris coalition. people want to learn about her. even if they're not pouring over details, the idea that she's out there talking about issues, that she looks serious, it sounds serious, that there is a convincing counterargument to the sort of -- if you call what donald trump is doing argument out there, it's positive for her. whether people look closely at the details or not. >> again, the madness of it, willie, the madness. donald trump talks all the time. yeah, he does. >> sure does. >> about furniture and sharks and tariffs. oh, we need more details from

kamala harris. well, she's giving a hell of a lot more details than donald trump. the fact that, again, people are still trying to flatten this race and say, sure, donald trump did what he did on january 6th, but we don't have all of kamala harris' position papers yet. we don't know what we're going to do. >> yeah. you still hear the argument in other places, that when vice president harris speaks, including from former president trump, it is a word salad. are you kidding? do you watch the daily word salad, part of which we just heard from donald trump? let's contrast that with vice president harris' speech yesterday, where she laid out an economic plan. >> as president, i will be grounded in my fundamental values of fairness, dignity, and opportunity. and i promise you i will be pragmatic in my approach. i will engage in what franklin

roosevelt called bold, persistent experimentation. [ applause ] because i believe we shouldn't be constrained by ideology. instead, should seek practical solutions to problems. look, i am a capitalist. i believe in free and fair markets. [ applause ] i believe in consistent and transparent rules of the road to create a stable business environment. and i know the power of american innovation. i've been working with entrepreneurs and business owners my whole career, and i believe companies need to play by the rules. respect the rights of workers and unions, and abide by fair

competition. in terms of the facts, donald trump left us with the worst economy since the great depression when you look at, for example, the employment numbers. >> it was during covid. unemployment was so high because we shut down the government, shut down the country. >> even before the pandemic, he lost manufacturing jobs by most people's estimates, 200,000. he lost manufacturing plants. ask the auto workers how he lost auto plants. we have grown over 20 new auto plants. he has an agenda, let's deal with it right now going forward, not to mention what happened in the past. he has an agenda make it more difficult for workers to earn overtime. an agenda that would include cutting off access to small business loans for small businesses. an agenda that includes tariffs to the point that the average

working person will spend 20% more on everyday necessities and an estimated $4,000 more a year on those everyday necessities. to the point that top economists in our country, from nobel laureates to people at moody's and goldman sachs has compared my plan with his and said my plan would grow the economy. his would shrink the economy. >> so that was vice president kamala harris with her exclusive interview conducted by msnbc's stephanie ruhle. talking a lot about the differences in her plans for the economy versus what donald trump did when he was in office. before that, you saw her speech on her vision for the economy, a portion of it. how do you think she did in the speech? i saw specifics mixed with stories that show how her values back up her plan. >> well, again, for people that are claiming she didn't go deep enough in policy, i'd ask them to look at every presidential campaign over the past, like,

100 years, other than maybe hillary clinton's, who put position papers out, like, just constantly on her website. didn't do a lot of good, as she said herself recently. but look at the direction. she's talking about the direction she's going to go with policies, and she says she's going to be a middle class capitalist. she's doing what i wanted republicans and democrats to do for a very long time. instead of obsessing on tax cuts for billionaires and multinational corporations, she's obsessing on middle class capitalism. what she's talking about, the creation of small businesses, helping people get into homes. they're having difficulty getting into homes. child tax credit. all of these things that, again, are good, sensible, middle class policies. policies that will help build and grow the middle class, which is what conservatives and republicans have always wanted to do. what i find so striking, jackie,

is there are two standards. you have kamala harris, and they're going, oh, wait, what is the -- >> we want a powerpoint presentation. >> -- long-term impact of this, and why hasn't she called about the next round of qualitative easing? donald trump burps, and everyone is like, "he tells it what it is." he's the beneficiary of the soft bigotry of low expectations. people don't expect anything from donald trump, so he gets a free pass. then you have people going on tv shows and writing editorials going, "oh, my god, when is kamala harris going to get out and talk to america on policy issues as much as donald trump?" and it is laughable. it is a joke. >> there are absolutely two standards. my reading of the speech, as well, is that it was a direct rebuttal of this caricature that donald trump tried to paint of kamala harris as this, you know,

bomb-throwing, fire brand progressive, as he's called her, comrade kamala. she used deliberate language to describe himself as a pragmatic and centrist democrat. this was by no means a spicy plan. she talked about reform permitting, defending industry policy, boosting housing supply, tax cuts for the middle class, tax increases for people making over 400k once the trump tax cuts expire. i think there was not only a way to showcase her, you know, 90 page economic platform that was put together in less than two months, but also to sort of subtly combat these characterizations and this, again, caricature of harris that trump has pushed again and again, that is not paced in idealogical reality of where she stands on actual issues. >> right. you know, willie, it's

fascinating. we've seen this through the years. i was just jotting down a couple of notes where you have -- she said, i am a capitalist, right? as jackie said, sending a strong message. but i am a capitalist, sort of like bill clinton when he said the era of big government is over. also when george w. bush talked about compassionate conservatism, trying to round off the sharp edges. and when george h.w. bush talked about being kinder and gentler. everybody, again, sort of trying to round off the rough edges. it is a little less compelling when you call somebody a communist or a marxist because of the way, you know, she brushes her hair. if they're saying, i am a capitalist. >> yeah, saying it over and over again. rev, if you look inside this plan, and people can certainly read news accounts of it, go to her website, however you want to

get to the details of it, but also the part about small businesses which, by the way, have exploded in the past few years post pandemic, to levels that donald trump, even before the pandemic, when donald trump was president. she proposed yesterday to increase that start-up tax deduction from $5,000 to $50,000. she's said that before. underlined it again as part of her plan. that's a huge deal. the hopes from her administration, if elected, would be to create tens of millions of new small businesses in this country. that impacts people of all parties, independents, and everywhere across the country, obviously. >> it impacts people across the country, and it's real. when you're talking about $50,000 and the fact that many of these small businesses are the ones that provide the majority of the jobs in their local areas and their local cities. it is a game-changer. when she can back that up, as she said, with the fact that the conomic policies that have gone

done under the biden and harris administration has opened plantd plants and produced things. you don't just have somebody projecting on what they will do but it's what they've already achieved. compare that to someone that hallucinates about where he got his gaudy furniture in his hotels and casinos. it's a non-starter unless you just are a cult follower and want to follow him. >> yeah. for sure. >> hello, would you like us to talk now? we can talk. >> yeah. >> before we let you go, rev, obviously, you've known eric adams for a long time. i'm curious what your take is on the latest news about eric adams going to face federal charges. >> well, i got a call from the

mayor last night around 10:00. he has not been informed yet what the charges are. clearly, he says he is going to fight them no matter what. i've known the mayor 35 years. he was there when we started national action network. i've never seen or heard him discuss anything that would smack of being illegal. at the same time, i've gotten to know the u.s. attorney, williams, first black to hold the position. he seems fair. he's worked with the ministers in national action network and i on several things. i think the challenge is going to be where the charges go and where a lot of us will move from there. i talked last night to several people, including congressmen, hakeem jeffries, and others. i convened the first meeting to see what our position will be. some people saying that the

mayor ought to step aside. you'll have the governor have to make a decision. i'm sure people will be pressuring there. we have to look at the big picture. we're in the middle of a consequential campaign between vice president harris and trump. we also have to look at how hakeem could become speaker. and deal with, also, this situation. if your not prepared to take on tough choices in black leadership, you shouldn't have aspired to be one. we're going to meet this weekend and take on the tough choices. >> rev, yesterday, shocking, sad, racist tweet by a republican from louisiana that, again, once again shows that this version of the republican party is pushing boundaries that just would have never, would have never been broached before donald trump became the leader

of the gop. >> i think we're seeing all kind of behavior that has become normalized. a bulwark of conservative, online -- formerly online, came out on how the candidate for governor with donald trump support north carolina years ago, said i should be shot. it would be good for the country. donald trump still supports him. it is something to agree, i should be shot. i'm getting ready to start out a bus tour, bringing the central park five, and we're going to new york. starting in philadelphia. over the next few days, we're going different places. to even put that in the circle of legitimacy by a presidential candidate like donald trump, refusing to remove his endorsement of a man that's called for the shooting of civil rights leaders, among the other

things he said, shows you how far off we've gotten. >> yeah. >> and i think that we need to bring there back to where there's boundaries of decency in the american politics. >> seems like it should be everything we need to know. >> it should be. reverend al sharpton, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> greatly appreciate it. jackie, you were shaking your head when talking about the tweet yesterday. >> i just had to pull up. i mean, clay higgins has a robust history of these comments. we were talking about it on the hill yesterday. this one article that's circulating is a 1992 quote from higgins, which was the start of a string of, again, inflammatory, racist comments. he was commenting on david duke running against pat buchanan in 1992. basically said he was going to support pat because he didn't think david was going to get the votes because he was a straight up nazi. said, regardless of the fact that david is a homeboy and all that, the boy is a nazi, and that's a real problem. still a homeboy. >> he says homeboy.

>> okay. >> then the article went on to say, and, yes, he voted for him in the gubernatorial race. the person he said was a straight up nazi. >> he supported the nominee. i mean, look, this is happening. this is being platformed all over the country, whether it is in the springfield, ohio, whether it's the mark robinson stuff. everywhere. i mean, the fact is, it is a neck and neck race still for president. this presidential election obviously hangs over everything. you do have to wonder. i mean, everyone looks at polls. where is the quiet energy here? where is the quiet revulsion here? if you look at all of the polls in the last major elections, you know, '16, '20, even 2022, there has been an overperformance, a hidden, quiet vote that has completely, in some ways, completely rendered the pollsters wrong. is there a quiet revulsion to all this that will ultimately be a decisive factor in the election? you do sort of have to wonder. people are afraid to talk about it as openly as some people are,

but i do think there's got to be a quiet -- i mean, look at the harris-walz campaign. there's a lot of talk of returning to normalcy. i was out with walz yesterday. he keeps saying neighbor, neighbor, neighbor. it's thanksgiving dinner. it is familiarity. it is an america that doesn't seem to exist anymore. >> we're going to have more now from donald trump's rally in north carolina. this is when he was not rambling about furniture. this time, he is criticizing ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. >> look at the war in ukraine. i think it's something we have to have a quick discussion about because the president of ukraine is in our country. he's making little, nasty aspersions toward me, your favorite president. there wouldn't have had to be a settlement, period. wouldn't have happened.

russia wouldn't have gone in. i spoke with putin a long. i got along well with putin. i spoke to him a lot. i watched this poor guy at the united nations. he didn't know what he was saying. they just don't know what to do. they're locked into a situation. it's sad. they just don't know what to do. because ukraine is gone. it's not ukraine anymore. you can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people. so many dead people. any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now. if they made a bad deal, it would have been much better. they would have given up a little bit, and everybody would be living and every building would be built. >> all right. let's bring in former reporter for "the wall street journal," matthew brzezinski. and we have evelyn, the former

deputy assistant secretary of defense for ukraine and eurasia. matthew, interested to get your impression of neville chamberlain's speech there, saying any deal would have been a good deal, no matter how badly it went for ukraine. also says ukraine is gone. so many dead people. >> can't rebuild it. >> somehow overlooked the fact that over a million casualties have piled up in russia because of this war. >> well, i mean, i think donald trump is, frankly, delusional, if he thinks that he could have prevented this war. or that he even thinks he can stop it if he does somehow manage to get a second term in office. you know, right now, president zelenskyy is going to be meeting with joe biden later on today in the white house. he's going to bring biden a wish list of things that he needs to continue the fight.

you know, while i've always gone on this show and said we have to give the ukrainians absolutely everything they need, i think that president biden would be wise to say no to giving the ukrainians permission to use u.s. long-range weapons. right now, with the middle east ablaze and donald trump telling anyone who will listen that a vote for a democrat is a vote for world war iii, this isn't a time for bold initiatives in ukraine. the last thing i think the harris campaign needs is for vladimir putin to retaliate against us in some fashion that trump can seize on to further scare people, and perhaps even sway independent or undecided voters. and he doesn't need to go nuclear, even though putin last night, again, was making probably largely idle threats.

so there are lots of ways to help ukraine right now that may be politically safe and militarily effective, but today's meeting with biden, i certainly hope that president biden doesn't green light any kind of long-range weapons. >> let me ask you, evelyn, obviously, as the head of the mccain institute, it's not hard to imagine what john mccain would say about a speech like donald trump's. i do know the last time that i met with him, it was the anniversary of boris' death. he had a poster in his office, and always front of mind. russia always front of mind. his fears of what was happening in ukraine, what could happen in

poland, he understood the challenge. most republicans used to understand the challenge. what would john mccain say about donald trump's speech and where a lot of republicans are right now? >> i think he would say, first of all, it's a tragedy that these republican leaders have forgotten their history. why did he care about vladimir putin in russia so much? john mccain understood that this russian leadership, this russian government was still a neo -- it's an imperial state, frankly. vladimir putin would like to control ukraine, control mull moldova, these countries that used to belong to the soviet union. what john mccain really wanted was for the russian system to change. he supported nemtsov, an opposition leader gunned down by putin. not directly but indirectly. he supported vladimir, who was just released in the hostage swap, and all the other

dissidents trying to change things inside russia. in the meantime, he would be saying, we need to stand up to putin. we need to give ukraine what it needs with no restrictions. he would say that. to fight this fight, to an end as fast as possible. >> it was something he was concerned about, again, post 2014. he didn't think barack obama did enough, obviously, in 2014. also, again, his concern wasn't just ukraine. like you said, moldova, the baltic states, poland. i mean, this is something that -- can you explain how immediate this threat is if you're in estonia or latvia or lithuania or poland or moldova, how immediate the threat is? and if donald trump's world view is adopted by the united states, those countries are likely all going to be consumed. >> yeah.

so what's really important for people to understand is that the temperature is going up not just for the ukrainian government and for our government in terms of supporting ukraine, but the europeans are getting really nervous. there are drones falling into polish territory. there are air incursions over romania. our nato allies are seeing their air space violated by russian aircraft. like i said, drones. missiles are falling on their territory. in poland, about a year and a half ago, one of these missiles fell on a farm. i think there was an injury but no deaths. but it's only a matter of time before something bad happens, someone gets hurt on nato territory. then nato is at the risk of direct war with russia, which we do not want. so we have to bring this war to a conclusion as fast as possible. but as president zelenskyy says, on ukraine's terms, not a compromise where russia comes out victorious, but an actual victory for ukraine, which is possible. it's just going to take

concerted effort. >> jonathan lemire. >> matthew, there's been remarkable unity in the alliances here supporting ukraine, but some fractures potentially developing. germany opposes the idea of giving ukraine the opportunity to use long-range missiles. the united states also has yet to sign off on that. unclear if they will. with that, the back drop to all of this is the november election. so many leaders at the u.n. deeply concerned about what happens next. the conflict, if donald trump were to win. give us your analysis. >> well, you're right. right now, the election here overshadows everything. i'm sure if it were not for the election, the biden administration would have green lit these weapons long ago. it's just that, right now, the stakes here domestically are so high, it's perhaps -- their calculus is it is not worth taking any risks abroad that can

harm kamala harris' chances of winning. however, you know, the day the polls close here, they green light absolutely everything. there are things we could be doing right now -- >> i agree. >> -- that are maybe politically safe and militarily quite effective. we should be doing those things right now. for instance, the ukrainians have been really effective with their drones. they blew up over the weekend two huge russian munition dee depots. apparently, the shock waves knocked out windows 5 kilometers away. some were saying it was the largest, non-nuclear detonations in history. we should move heaven and earth to get ukraine whatever it needs to make more of these very effective drones. they produce them domestically. this is much safer for us to do right now than green light everything and take the gloves

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israeli officials say they've instructed their military to continue fighting hezbollah with, quote, full force. the minister's office released a statement adding israel has not yet responded from calls from the united states and other countries for a temporary cease-fire. the proposal unveiled last night amid growing fears the escalating attacks across the border could lead to a wider war. joining us in studio in new york, secretary of state antony blinken. he worked on the sidelines of the u.n. general assembly to get the cease-fire proposal on the table. also with us, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent, our good friend andrea mitchell joins us. thank you, both. mr. secretary, this is a proposed 21-day cease-fire between hezbollah and israel. what are the particulars, and where does israel stand on it now? >> take a step back and understand why this is needed and what israel is legitimately trying to accomplish.

ever since october 7th, hezbollah in the north has been firing rockets into israel. israel responded. hezbollah was trying to create another front as israel was dealing with the situation in gaza. as a result of that, some 70,000 israelis in northern israel were forced from their homes. lebanese were also forced from their homes. in israel, there is a strong desire to create an environment where kids can go back to school. any country would feel the same way. now, we believe that the best way to get that done is through diplomacy. to get an agreement that would create a secure environment, forces pulling back from the border, people having confidence to go back to their homes. conversely, get into a full-scale war is not the way to achieve that objective. there is no way in that situation people are going to be able to go back. so you have much of the world coming together, calling for this 21-day cease-fire, to give us some time, to give us some

space, to see if we can get a diplomatic resolution that creates that environment t people home. >> what do you say, mr. secretary, and i know you've heard this directly to israelis who say, there is no such thing as a cease-fire with a terrorist group. whether it be hamas or hezbollah, they'll continue to do what they do. it is in their charters to destroy israel. their goal is to wipe israel off the map ultimately. what is the argument to the israelis that a 21-day break might lead to a peace? >> i think the argument is that the alternative, potentially, a full-blown war, is going to be bad for everyone involved. it's not going to achieve the objective of getting people home. israel was in lebanon for a long time, up to 2000, 15 years. bogged down there. yes, when they got out, all these groups were supposed to disarm. hezbollah didn't. it's posed a threat to israel ever since. but if we can get an agreement that at least gets them off the border, people will have more confidence and can get about their lives in their own country. i think what you're hearing

clearly is the world wants to see it move in that direction. the other thing is, look, if you're looking at what israel's biggest aadversary, and one of ours, iran want, it wants to bog down israel in wars of attrition. whether that's in the north in lebanon, whether that's in gaza, whether that's anywhere else in the region. so don't play into that. be t objective can be achieved, getting people home, without going to war. >> mr. secretary, prime minister netanyahu influenced perhaps by his right-wing coalition is doing exactly the opposite. he is saying that the only way to get them back into their homes is to wipe out the hezbollah command and control and eliminate them as a military threat once and for all. he's not listening to you. similarly, there have been surprises, the pager explosion,

tehran. when you think you're close, there's a new problem, apparently doing something that ignores leverage. >> in fact, andrea, go back to october 7th, one of our primary objectives, of course, is making sure that israel did what was necessary to make sure october 7th could never happen again. working to make sure that the men, women, and children in gaza, caught in this horrific cross-fire of hamas' making got what they needed to be better protected, to get the assistance they needed. also, to make sure, to the best of our ability, this conflict doesn't spread, that we don't have another front. on repeated occasions, we were very close to that. a combination of american deterrence and american diplomacy avoided a full-scale war. this is where we are now. we want to make sure what we're seeing over the last days doesn't evolve that way. just as on multiple occasions, we were able to do that. >> clearly, hamas has been the biggest problem. they can release the hostages. they could end this right now. they started it. but israel, our closest ally, we

provide them more weapons than anyone in the world, keeps raising objections every time you think you're close to the finish line. you say you have 15 of 18 clauses finished, but it's the last three that keep getting -- those are the toughest. >> by definition. >> you're in the red zone. >> by definition, in the red zone, those are the toughest yards to get. yes, this is on gaza and the cease-fire there we've been working on. we have a document. we've got 18 paragraphs, as you said. 15 are fully agreed between israel and hamas. the last three we've been working on. the challenge we have right now is it's unclear whether hamas is serious about concluding an agreement. now, if we're also able to get the cease-fire in the north, that may create space and maybe even momentum to try to get the gaza cease-fire, the gaza hostage deal over the finish line. there, too, the benefits are to everyone involved, very clear. get the hostages home. get massive relief into the palestinians who need it. take down the violence. create the possibility of having an enduring peace and security

for people in gaza. and for israel. we can see all those benefits, but we have to try to get that over the finish line. >> mr. secretary, you have accurately pointed out the horrors of october 7th, the anniversary coming up quickly. you've accurately pointed out the lethal terror that is hamas and hezbollah. and you've accurately pointed out the impact of war on that region. it's globally a brutal and noisy war, the world hears the war. my question to you is, what do you say when you're asked about the seeming indifference of the israeli army to civilian casualties? >> what we're seeing throughout the region, in all region in al unfortunately because of the trauma that's been innikted, october 7th, the trauma inflicted on palestinians since then, one of the challenges is

overcoming dehumanization. making sure people see humanity and the other and act accordingly. look, we had a successfully polio vaccination campaign in gaza in the midst of the this conflict. 5 or 600,000 young palestinian children were vaccinated. i think that demonstrates not only what was possible with regard to polio but what should be possible in terms of getting more humanitarian assistance to people. it's doable. and we are strongly, strongly, strongly pressing and urging the israelis to do more. it's an incredibly channelling environment. you have an enemy that hides in and under schools, mosques, apartment buildings. you have conflict raging. you've got lawlessness, you've got looting, all sorts of chaos that makes its difficult for the humanitarians to do their jobs. but this polio campaign demonstrated it is doable. it's possible and we'll be pushing on that. mika? >> mr. secretary, i'm curious, are you aware -- you getting any

information on the status of the remaining hostages, the conditions they're in, how many are even alive? >> look, there are, to the best of our information, many hostages in gaza, alive, and who we desperately want to bring back to their loved ones, get out. and this remains for us a priority, including, of course, for the american hostages who are there. so, my number one responsibility, president's number one responsibility is to them. and that's why among other things getting this cease-fire agreement done is so essential, to get them home. we know they're there. we want them back. >> mr. secretary, you said that a cease-fire would benefit everyone. does that include benjamin netanyahu? >> look, i believe it does because, joe, again -- >> does he see it that way? >> do you think benjamin netanyahu believes a cease-fire actually benefits him? or does he see that as the end

of his career? and time when he has to face indictments? >> well, look, joe, i can't speak for him. not going to put myself in his head or anyone else's for that matter, but i say two things. first, when it comes to the cease-fire, with lebanon, and hezbollah, clearly it benefits really everyone involved. but looking at it from the israeli perspective, they're number one objective, as i said, to make sure the 70,000 israelis who have been forced from their homes, had their homes destroyed, villages destroyed, this is the way to get them back home to make sure they can go with confidence, knowing they won't be in the line of fire. so, and this is something that's really animating israeli society. in fact, there's probably as much, if not more focus on making sure the 70,000 israelis can go back home than there is on gaza. someone who delivers that, yes, that's going to be to their benefit. >> this morning we've been talking about the worst case

scenario in the ukrainian war with russia, the possibility that vladimir putin would use nuclear weapons. let's talk about the worst case scenario the middle east. speaking as a conservative, that's what we usually do, we look at the worst case scenario and try to work back from that, to try to stop it from happening. you know, james baker once said, a president's first priority is not having a nuclear war erupt on their watch. let's talk about the middle east. worst case scenario, iran finally decides it is going to get involved and help hezbollah. what does a regional war with iran fully engamed look like the middle east, not only to israel but to the region and the world? >> look, this, joe, is exactly what we need and are working to prevent because a full-scale war the middle east involving not just iran but all of its many proxies, bringing in ore arab

countries, having lots of implications for us, for the men tens of thousands of americans, hundreds of thousands of americans who live in different countries in the region, that's a picture i don't think anyone wants to look at. i said to andrea a few minutes ago, this is exactly what's been animating us since october 7th, not only gaza, not only making sure october 7th never happens again but trying to make sure this war doesn't spread and on repeated occasions we have come close to that happening. but our engagement, our diplomacy, our deterrence with our forces we have in the region prevented this from going over the brink and going into full-scale war. that's why we're so focussed on the cease-fire. it's not just us. it's the g7 countries the european union, the leading arab countries, everyone speaking with one, clear voice about the need to go -- to get that cease-fire in the north. similarly in gaza, the quickest path to getting things done that

everyone wants, that benefit everyone, would be through the cease-fire we've been working to negotiate. >> mr. secretary, i want to turn you to ukraine just briefly if you have a reaction. just in the last hour or so, prime minister's netanyahu's office said the cease-fire talks between hezbollah and israel he deemed incorrect and said the idf would continue fighting with, quote, full force. >> look, again, i can't speak for him. i can just say that the world is speaking clearly for virtually all of the key countries in europe and in the region on the need for the cease-fire. i'll be seeing israeli officials later today here in new york. we have been, of course, talking to them throughout the course of the week and engaged with everyone in the region, the entire team. the national security adviser jake sullivan, brett mckirk, barbara leaf, all of us at the president's direction working on this. so i think what we're saying, what the world is saying, is very clear and will be looking to work with the israelis and all the parties throughout the rest of the day. >> so on ukraine, president

zelenskyy meeting with president biden at the white house, we know his primary ask will be to use u.s. made missiles with longer range, deeper into russia. is the u.s. going to give that authorization? >> so jonathan, every step along the way, ever since the start, actually before the start, when we saw the russian invasion coming, we wanted to make sure ukrainians had what they needed to effectively defend themselves. we got them javelins and stingers before the russians came in. they were able as a result to repel that russian aggression, prevent russia from running over the country, erasing from the map. everyday since as necessary we adapted and adjusted depending on the battlefield and what russia was doing and where they were doing that. the president will see president zelenskyy in washington and hear from him on this victory plan he's putting forward. we'll look very carefully at that. i heard matthew talking earlier on the program about some of the things that are working very effectively and he's exactly

right. the drones have been extraordinarily effective. we've just made an investment of $1.5 billion immediately in the production of ukrainian drones. that's going to produce another 10,000 drones for ukraine over the next six months. when used the way we have seen them used, that's very effective. we want to make sure they have what they need to deal with the russian aggression and make sure that ukraine is in a position of strength, either as necessary to keep fighting or if there is a negotiation it is able to approach that negotiation from position of strength. >> and just briefly before we let you go, mr. secretary, we heard particularly from the republican presidential campaign, getting louder now. talk yesterday that perhaps president zelenskyy is here to hustle the united states for money, that we ought to withdraw, that this -- the former president trump can get a deal with putin the day he's elected. can you articulate for viewers who may wonder why so many taxpayer dollars are going to ukraine and why you believe it is important that the united states stand with ukraine. >> willie, two things going on

here. there's an aggression against ukraine and against the ukrainian people and i think when any of us see one big country trying to bully a smaller one, we want to do something about it. but, more fundamentally, for the united states, the other thing that's being aggressed here are the pribs pls at the heart to keep the peace. we're here in new york, u.n. general assembly. it was created after world war ii to make sure there wasn't a third. you can't violate the sovereignty of another country. you can't go to erase its borders, dictate to another country what its choices will be. that's what's happening in ukraine. if we allow that to go forward with impunity, then we open a pandora's box. it's open season. putin gets away with it, i can get away with it. that's a world of conflict. two other things, this is not the united states.

it's the ukrainians doing the fighting with 50 countries supporting and contributing more collectively than we are. and those dollars we're spending, most of those dollars are being spent here in the united states building the weapons that the ukrainians need. president zelenskyy was just in scranton, thanking the folks who are making some of the munitions helping ukraine defend its freedom but also defend our freedom because that is a front line in the fight for freedom. that is a front line in making sure that we have a world that's not riddled with conflict, not just in europe but in many other places. >> final thoughts to you, an degree ya. >> the nuclear threat from putin? does that worry you? >> it's totally irresponsible. many in the world spoken clearly about that when he's been rattling the nuclear saber, including china in the past. i would say especially to do that now while the world is gathered in new york including talking about the need for more

disarmament, i think that will play very badly around the world. >> we'll let you get back down to the u.n., united states secretary of state, antony blinken. >> andrea, thank you as well. we'll watch "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. police outside gracie mansion, resident of eric adams. a 6:00 a.m. raid by federal officials of the residence of new york city eric adams. the latest on the indictment he is facing. could learn more today. we'll come back in 90 seconds. y we'll come back in 90 seconds.

♪♪ welcome to the third hour of "morning joe" on this thursday, september 26th. along with joe, willie and me, we have the host of "way too early," white house chief bureau of politico, jonathan lemire. >> ed louis is with us. columnist and associate editor for "washington post" david ignatius is here and congressional reporter jackie almenny. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy will meet with president biden at the white house today where he is expected to present his so-called victory plan for the war in ukraine. president biden is expected to

formally announce a $375 million aid package for ukraine. the largest since the summer. and the 66th aid package the u.s. has provided the country since august of 2021. meanwhile, a meeting between former president trump and president zelenskyy will not be happening today. the two leaders were expected to meet at trump tower when asked why the meeting was cancelled, a source familiar with the matter pointed to zelenskyy's interview with the new yorker this week in which the ukrainian president called trump's running mate, senator jd vance, too radical, adding, quote, his message seems to be that ukraine must make a sacrifice. at his rally in north carolina --

>> ukraine is in our country. he's making little, nasty, aspersions toward your favorite president, which is me. it would never happen if i were president. there didn't have to be a settlement. i spoke to putin about it a lot. i got along very well with putin. i spoke to him a lot. i watched this poor guy yesterday at the united nations. he didn't know what he was saying. they just don't know what to do. they're locked into a situation. it's sad. they don't know what to do because ukraine is gone. it's not ukraine anymore. you can never replace those cities and towns. and you can never replace the dead people. so many dead people. any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what

we have right now. if they made a bad deal, it would have been much better. they would have given up a little bit. and everybody would be living. and every building would be built. >> thank you, so much, for your insights nevil chamberlain. peace at all costs. peace in our times. david ignatius, i have to say it's really hard to be shocked by donald trump's republican party in 2024 -- >> an yet -- >> -- and yet we have seen his crowds cheering for vladimir putin, seemingly booing volodymyr zelenskyy. donald trump talking about how, you know, saying one positive thing after another, positive thing about vladimir putin every time he speaks of putin. and constantly criticizing zelenskyy, constantly criticizing ukraine, constantly suggesting if he's president he's going to end the war at

once. self identifying maga voters, who do you think is a better president, russia's autocrat, vladimir putin, or joe biden, america's democratically elected president. 52% said putin was the better president. only 18% of these republicans said the american president was a better president. talk about not only how surprising that is, but i just got to say, how challenging that is for our country that you have a large chunk of americans that have been moving towards an autocrat because their leader is so supportive of an autocrat. >> joe, it's not just surprising, it's shocking. >> yeah. >> trump really is waving the white flag here. the quote that we just saw, ukraine is gone. >> what? >> he's ready to declare this war over. and he's ready to install a

peace plan that would essentially be a russian victory flag. >> he says ukraine is gone. so many dead on the ukrainian side. he doesn't mention, of course, the 1 million russian casualties. >> it's true that ukraine and russia both are just punching themselves into the ground. after that visit that ukraine is bleeding out. there's a generation that's dying on the battlefield. it is a horrific war. but the idea that the answer to that, this terrible, terrible sacrifice is to essentially cob concede to russia and putin his demands. i said at the beginning, it's shocking. question to me, is when are republicans who widely disagree with this on capitol hill, going to say something? going to say this is unacceptable to us that our candidate speaks in effect on

behalf of the adversary of our ally ukraine. what are people going -- >> he will support vladimir putin. >> so -- but it is true, the war in ukraine is nearing a crisis point. ukraine cannot continue indefinitely. and it either needs more weapons or it needs a new jolt or american-led diplomacy, this current status quo, the idea we had, keep fighting a war of attrition some day that russians will give up, that's not really a sensible strategy. >> not a sensible strategy for the ukrainians. it's not a sensible strategy for the russians either because, like you said, they're pounding each other into the ground. >> russian casualties are significantly worse than ukrainian. some new figures coming out. it's shocking the way -- as people say, the butcher's bill that's been paid by russia in this war is just horrifying. >> jackie, you know, it was

fascinating during donald trump's first term, you would have him, of course, humiliating himself in helsinki, with jonathan lemire asking questions that he walked right into traps in helsinki. but humiliating himself time and time again, kowtowing to vladimir putin. and yet, not only did republicans on the hill hold the line but mike pence at the same time, his vice president, would go to -- i think it was munich -- and deliver speeches about russia that ronald reagan could have delivered himself. so there's always been this divide in the republican party. i'm curious right now from your sense r there still a majority of republicans on capitol hill that support pushing back on vladimir putin? >> it's a dwindling majority. it's a cohort that is losing their courage and losing members. i mean, mitt romney is out of office in january. he's retiring. he's been one of the biggest and really one of the lone outspoken

proponents of continuing aid. earlier this year, we saw 22 republicans who ultimately defied donald trump's wishes not to support new aid that was going to ukraine. but, again, it's very un -- we -- there's obviously a huge unknown here about who is going to win the presidential election and congress, too, whether or not there might be a trifecta potentially or if house republicans are going to hold the majority in the lower chamber and whether democrats are going to be able to hold their very narrow majority in the senate, but that is seeming increasingly likely. john tester has been defying political gravity for decades now in his career. so -- >> he may be feeling gravity's pull. >> yeah. >> the small amount of leverage that republicans have, in terms of being, you know, pro ukraine and in favor of america, having a robust role in global affairs. that is dwindling.

>> so ed, volodymyr zelenskyy was presenting a peace plan to the u.n. obviously and in these meetings as well. is there any potential for both sides to see what we're talking about here and say maybe there's an imperfect solution to this to end the fighting? >> i wish i could say yes, but i don't think that's possible right now. remember, yesterday vladimir putin did something else that has had surprisingly little attention which is he revised russia's nuclear doctrine. he revised it downwards. he lowered the bar to say that countries that are supplying conventional weapons that are then targeted on russia would qualify as crossing russia's nuclear threshold. what he is essentially saying, america, if you listen to zelenskyy, if you listen to his request, that you use atacms or whatever the artillery is to strike inside russia, you won't know whether we're going to nuke

you or not. you are crossing our threshold. so that is not -- those are not the signals of a man prepared to step down and talk. but even if he were to prepare to sit down and talk, it would be on putin/trump terms. it would be how are you going to surrender with details of what the surrender would look like and how long it would take. this is not a position in which ukraine wishes to end this war. >> ed, i want to ask you about your reporting, david, jackie, about your reporting on this question of how far vladimir putin would go. because i will say, i am very frustrated with trumpists saying abandon ukraine. but there is another side of this that the biden administration feels the pull everyday and from friends of mine, fellow conservatives, fellow former cold warriors who basically want ukraine to sing

marching to zion riding on missiles straight into moscow. any time you suggest there is a possibility that vladimir putin would use nuclear weapons, oh, come on, please. he hasn't yet. let me just speak for myself. i've spoken to foreign leaders who know vladimir putin, who have told me back him into a corner and he will use nuclear weapons. and if you don't believe he will, you're a fool. >> yeah. i mean, you can't sort of take this lightly. i would sort of get somewhere in between. >> and yet there are so many people who take this lightly and say, biden should give him this. oh, biden -- and they did from the very beginning. >> they did. i mean, i think we discovered, as this war has gone on, that his nuclear red lines are not quite as close as we thought. very understandably very early on in the war. >> exactly. that doesn't mean he doesn't have nuclear red lines. this is the mistake this -- if you want to call the ne-o

conservative, the ageing cold warrior wing that's what we'll call it. there is no red line. >> there's a reason why the prime minister of britain, polish goth, reason why other governments are now saying, look, they're agreeing with zelenskyy. look, let's give him the ability to target sites in russia that are firing at us. we cannot fight -- we cannot get anywhere near the position where we would like to negotiate a settlement unless we can strike back on even terms. someone used the analogy the other day, david would know this better. there's all these arrows coming in. and you can shoot some of them down. but you're not allowed to target the archer. that is not a fair fight. >> right. >> and you know, biden said all along, two goals here, one, is to give ukraine the means to defend itself. and two, not to start world war iii. it's a difficult to plow in

between those goals. some of the tools ukraine needs to defend itself might cross putin's red line. >> i think there has been an effort by zelenskyy to shame the united states into providing significantly greater support in the face of these threats. i certainly heard that in kyiv a couple weeks ago. bothers me to hear our president attacked as being weak willed when he, as ed said, been pretty consistent. he views his job as supporting ukraine, resisting this invasion as strongly as he can. but also, avoiding a direct u.s./russian war. any u.s. president who didn't take that seriously as a responsibility shouldn't be in the job. there's one other point that's i think significant. u.s. military officials that i talked to caution that shooting

atacms 300 kilometers into russia when russia already moved back all the good targets. they are now out of range. the things you want to hit. the airplanes, the missile sites, they pulled them back. but you won't get a tactical benefit commensurate with the risk. a much better use with the limited atacms, last we know, just flowing out of a christmas tree, a better use to use them on russian occupied crimea, where russia is having a terrible time maintaining its forces. that's the vulnerability, i think. and so, the argument from american officials is both in terms of risk and in terms of benefit to ukraine, wiser course is to focus on crimea and the south. but, we're going to see today with zelenskyy's visit a real effort to pressure biden into doing something he's obviously

reluctant to do. we'll watch and see what -- biden's last big play. let's watch it. coming up, developing news on the criminal indictment of new york city mayor, eric adams, in what appears to be a federal corruption case. nbc's tom winter is following the money. and he joins the conversation straight ahead on "morning joe." but this is my story. ( ♪♪ ) and with once-daily trelegy, it can still be beautiful. because with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open for a full 24 hours and prevents future flare-ups. trelegy also improves lung function, so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating,

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expected to face federal charges from prosecutors out of the southern district of new york as early as today. according to a couple of sources familiar with the matter. the indictment remains sealed as of last night, but cnbc report the indictment in part accuses adams of criminal conduct related to donations to his 2021 mayoral campaign. the mayor released a statement last night in response, denying wrong doing, while vowing to stay in office. he then released a video addressing his fellow new yorkers. >> it is now my belief that the federal government intends to charge me with crimes. if so, these charges will be entirely false, based on lies. but they would not be surprising. i always knew that if i stood my ground, for all of you, that i would be a target. and a target i became. enough. i will fight these injustices

with every ounce of my strength and my spirit. if i'm charged, i know i'm innocent. i will request an immediate trial so new yorkers can hear the truth. >> let's bring in nbc news national law enforcement and intelligence correspondent tom winter and former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent lisa ruben. good morning to you both. tom, we expect probably later today to get some detail about what's inside this indictment and what the mayor of new york city is accused of. a lot of this centers around turkey and donations to the campaign in 2021. for people who haven't been following this, don't live in new york city, this comes sort of at the end of a long, domino effect of people who have fallen. the police commissioner stepping aside, the health commissioner stepping aside, school's commissioner as well. fire officials, fire safety division officials being charged in bribery schemes. so what do we know about what

the mayor is being charged with here? >> so to your point, this investigation really kicked off in earnest almost a year ago on november 2nd when brianna skugz, the head of his campaign was searched. the mayor was in washington, d.c. at that moment. we had heard all across toub that there was some sort afoot. when it was the mayor, when he cancelled abruptly his plans and decided immediately to come home to new york, that we first got an indication of something pretty serious is going on. initially we didn't know that it was a search tied to his campaign. people were wondering if there's some sort of a terrorist type of attack. obviously less than a month after october 7th. then the investigation really took the next level on november 6th of last year when the mayor, surrounded by his police detail out and about in the course of his business, approached by multiple fbi agents and they ask in demand for his phone and his ipad and more recently in september of this year, just after labor day, phil banks the

deputy mayor of public safety, oversees the nypd and fdny phone taken. david banks, the schools chancellor, phone taken. sheena wright, first deputy mayor, key adviser, one of the most loyal and one of the most important advisers to mayor eric adams, her phone is taken. she's the wife of david banks. and then on saturday night, two saturdays ago, we get out of the blue a letter from their attorney saying i decided to move on effectively. so this has been developing and building specifically to your question, willie, we don't know the exact types of charges. you reference the turkish donations and whether or not the turkish consulate here in new york, their safety approvals were fast tracked in exchange for some sort of donation or benefits or gifts. that certainly could be a component of it. i don't think the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york only charges based on that one specific incident.

so there's a number of things that we're hearing. number of things that we're continuing to report out. but i wouldn't be surprised if this is a large indictment with a significant charges on it. because i think that's the type of level you would get to go after the mayor of the city of new york. >> coming out of the southern district, this is going to be major. >> yep. >> the fact that federal prosecutors are looking into and has been a long time. it's been almost tom just laid out really well, almost a year, ten months of this slow roll of -- as tom mentioned -- the mayor being approached as he walked out of an event down in the village by federal officials. give us your phones. give us your devices. so what do you expect to hear today if and when this is unsealed? >> i expect, as tom does, there could be multiple charges against the mayor. what we don't know is who else could be charged here. and there are, based on what we know, just about the investigative steps that the southern district has taken, any number of people, both who worked in an official capacity and unofficial capacity on the

2021 campaign who could be charged. one of the things i'm really looking for today is who is not named as a defendant in this. whether or not there are unnamed coconspirators, for example n this indictment or people who don't appear at all who you would have expected to appear. "new york times" reported several months ago that one of the mayor's aides is said to have been cooperating with federal investigators here, whether she appears in this indictment either by name or by reference is something i'm particularly focussed on. >> jonathan lemire, you can put on your daily news alum cap right now for the next couple of questions. going back, even to the beginning of his campaign, there are always whispers about mayor adam's ethics, ethical questions swirling around him for some time, but you ask somebody -- specifically? and you never get any specifics.

but that was something that everybody said followed him around that you had talked to that knew new york politics. so first speak to that. and secondly, if you will, speak to the number of politicians, including andrew cuomo, who are now going to begin posturing themselves to run in this special election to be new york's next mayor. >> eric adams, a meteoric rise, he was a police officer, formed a group there of 100 blacks in law enforcement who care. then moved into -- transitioned into politics. brooklyn borough president and from there launched his mayoral campaign. during that rise, you noted correctly, joe, there were whispers in law enforcement circles, that something was not quite right. it became a campaign issue. he was investigated previously but never charged. and then, you know, he won in 2021 with pretty resounding number and a popular at first coming out of the pandemic. but what we have seen here is these questions have dawned him throughout. tom laid out, this is something

that's been going on for a while. and this -- we're still going to learn more later today when this indictment is unsealed. there are four different federal probes right now on going into adams and his inner circle. so this may not be the only case that comes to fruition with charges in the weeks and months ahead. new york eric adams is vowing to fight this. he's vowing to continue. he's the first mayor in new york city history to be charmed with a crime while in office. yes, they're already -- because his poll numbers were so low, already a number of democrats, city officials, former controller, public advocate, councilman who announce that i had will challenge him in the democratic primary next year. there's no real republican opposition, democratic primary normally in new york is the gateway to city hall. yes, one name who has not jumped in officially yet but strongly rumored to be weighing a bid is former new york governor andrew cuomo. >> the former comptroller call

mayor adams to resign and aoc, that list is growing. to underscore, tom winter, we saw in the space of a few days the police commissioner resign on september 12th. mayor adam's chief counsel three days later resign. the next day two fire department division safety chiefs were arrested. and then the school's chancellor a few days ago stepped aside as well. and that's just a few of them, by the way. so, i know we don't know specifically what's going to be in this indictment, but we used sort of turkey as shorthand for shady connections allegedly. what exactly are we talking about here? what have we heard from reporting that may have happened here with the mayor? >> yeah. i think you're looking at a situation pay for play. that's what's being hinted at, what's being reported at with respect to the turkey component of it. and the question is are there going to be other countries that will be involved in it. i think that's a big concern. i think, you know, jonathan

mentioned the four investigations, true, involving city hall, but we have additional investigations, including one involving winny grecco. she's under federal investigation. she had her home searched. we believe that is in part separate from some of the things that we're talking about here today. and so, that is a name that i'm going to be looking for over the next couple of hours, if not the next couple of months. that's something to keep an eye on. i think when we look at this as far as additional charges, referencing the four investigations involving city hall, you've got two other investigations that are going on right now. there's a new freshly opened investigation into the sheriff of the city of new york, allegations he was skimming off of money that was taken from illegal marijuana shops in new york city. that seems to be its own separate silo and the on going investigation involving the new york city police department. you referenced the resignation of the police commissioner, a number of other top police commanders had their phones

taken. that appears to be a separate investigation involving pay to play accusations there again. >> phones being taken left and right. if your in charge of new york city. lisa, just quickly, it's worth stopping an pointing out for all the charges of weaponization of the justice department by republicans, long hearings they've held, it's a narrative, awful lot of prominent democrats now that are being investigated. turns out if you're alleged to have done something wrong, democrat or republican, you might be brought up on charges. >> yes. despite that, one of the things i thought was notable about eric adam's response last night is it seems trumpy. that because i made particular pledges to clean up this city, i am now a target because of my views on the migrant situation. that's not what's going on here at all. the biden's justice department is not seeking out people based on their political belief and prosecuting them. rather they're following the facts without fear or favor. we see that happening to both republicans and democrats alike now. eric adams puts an end to the

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♪♪ welcome back to "morning joe." i'm angie lassman, msnbc meteorologist. we're continuing to track hurricane helene. that is just getting started. we have a category 2 now as of the latest update, 100 mile-per-hour winds in the outer bands working their way on to shore, of course, for the state of florida.

we already got tornado warnings in place and tornado watches across the state of florida. more where that comes from here as we get through the later parts of our day today. let's start with the tropical alerts. hurricane warnings extending from the coast of florida into central georgia. we have tropical storm warnings across much of the southeast in places that have never seen them before. we're going to continue to see kind of the impacts unfold as the day goes on. likely talking a category 3 hurricane in the next couple of hours. at least by mid afternoon. and then tonight, 8:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m., landfall in the big bend area as a category 3. this means tallahassee likely dealing with category 3 impacts as we get into the evening hours tonight, the wind the rain, of course the storm surge all going to be impactful across that region. this system is just massive. more than 400 miles wide. that wind field is expansive, stretching up into portions of georgia, the entire state of florida. the system will work its way to the north but maintain category 1 strength before it meanders across parts of the tennessee

valley. the rain threat also going to be impressive. the wind, the storm surge and the rain. wind, 90 to 110 for tallahassee, historic wind daniel across that region here, we know what the tree canopy is like there. it's not going to take much for some of those to go down and the power outages, too. atlanta, 40 to 50 miles per hour here. this means we'll be watching likely power outages for the next couple of weeks. on top of that 4 to 8 feet of storm surge for sarasota. this is occurring with high tide time in places like cedar key already dealing with the inundation. we'll be back with "morning joe" after the break.

♪♪ with over 50 countries around the world heading to the polls in 2024, there are growing concerns about a rise in far

right idealology. far right europeans racked up wins in the june elections. in the first round of the french elections over the summer, the country's far right party secured over 30% of the vote, 10-point increase from two years earlier. and while the united kingdom's labour party won a landslide victory in july, the country experienced massive far right anti-immigration protests after a stabbing attack claimed the lives of three young girls. the protests were likely connected to a false rumor circulated online that the suspect was a migrant. joining us now, we have with us the mayor of london, sadiq khan. good to have you on the show this morning. >> mr. mayor, thank you so much. let's talk about that. obviously a remarkable mandate but obviously rough going early

on with violence and unfortunately disinformation and violent reaction. >> well, this is a good example actually of how a tragedy can be hijacked by the far right. a lie is spread and the medium of social media can amplify that lie and spread it across the country. those lies, disinformation reaches people who then turn up and protest. the point mika and joe, we get these far right violent people trying to burn down mosques, trying to burn down hostiles housing asylum seekers. we're stopping cars to see if the peopled in were white or people of color. the person incidentally was born in cardiff, in wales is not asylum seeker is not a muslim, a side issue. shows the rise of the far right,

native populist movement, shows how unregulated social media can spread lies, misinformation, disinformation and it's happening i'm afraid across the globe. >> horrific tragedy with those young girls. we have a version, although thank goodness no one has been hurt seriously yet in springfield, ohio, which is completely based on a lie and this one, in fact, being pushed from the top of a presidential ticket that put people at risk, locked down schools, put migrants in harms way. what in your view is the way to approach that? how do you put your finger in the dam that sprung all these leaks of misinformation? >> what we have seen over the last ten years are issues on the periphery now being mainstream issues because you have mainstream politicians using the language of the far right. manufacturing lies against one group, making them the enemy, pitting communities against each other. people do have genuine concerns, by the way. people are concerned in the uk

and the usa about lack of descent health care and lack of decent housing and lack of decent schools -- oldest trick in the book to blame the other. this fair unsuspicion people have against the other is made worse by mainstream politicians spreading lies. and the word prejudice comes from two words, prejudge. credible people are amplifying hatred and lies. and in the past, there would be checks and balances in the mainstream media and social media doesn't have those checks and balances. that's why it's really important, unless they sort themselves out, there's regulation to make sure there's proper responsibilities on these social media companies. >> so mr. mayor, as the globe comes out of the pandemic, there's a discussion about the health and vitality of big cities. you know, certainly there are issues presented by migrants, issues by homelessness,

certainly affordability, how are you responding to those challenges, how healthy is london? >> we're buzzing. we're back. with respect to my dear friend here in new york, london is still the greatest city in the world. but here is an amazing stat which is roughly speaking half of the world's population at the moment lives in cities. by 2050, it will be 70%. people are moving to cities, growth per se isn't a problem. you have to plan for that growth. you have to build affordable homes. you have to build more schools. you have to invest in decent healthcare. that's the responsibility of politicians to address those concerns. to turn a concern a challenge an opportunity. it's the fault of politicians not investing in these issues. by the way, these issues are common across the western globe, france, germany, the uk, italy, the usa, argentina. and one of the things that

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the jobs are going to illegal migrants that came into our country illegally. our black population all over the country, our hispanic population are losing their jobs. they're citizens of america. they're losing their jobs. >> all right. donald trump at his rally yesterday in north carolina

again suggesting there are jobs specific to communities of color that are being taken by undocumented immigrants. trump also continues to vilify and demonize immigrants who are here legally, specifically haitian migrants in springfield, ohio. for that, he and his running mate, senator jd vance of ohio, are now facing publicly filed criminal charges. the group haitian bridge alliance filed the charges on tuesday through a legal statute in the state blaming the republican presidential ticket for recent threats of violence against the town, which started after trump and vance spread lies that haitian migrants in springfield were eating residents' pets. joining us now, the attorney representing haitian bridge alliance. sir, thank you very much for being on the show.

i guess, first of all, explain the ability -- >> thank you for having me. >> these are -- how are these charges being filed? what's the law that allows them, and what's the possibility it actually leads to an arrest? >> so ohio is among some states in the country that permit private citizens to file charges in the form of a sworn affidavit in a court and ask the court to review those charges, affirm whether there's probable cause and either issue arrest warrants or then refer the matter to a prosecutor for further handling and investigation. >> okay. and we'll get to when potentially the court will review and refer, but let's talk about the charges. disrupting public service, making false alarms, committing telecommunications harassment, committing aggravated menacing, violating the prohibition against complicity. are you able to prove these

charges, and can you give us some examples? >> yes. i should add to those that today or tomorrow we plan to amend the charges to include inducing panic. the proof is set forth in the affidavit. the proof has been there for the world to see in terms of the statements made by trump and vance on social media, on video captured in interviews and the effect of that on springfield, not just the haitian population, bute mayor and his family and 33 bomb consequences. so the evidence is all there. it's been open and notorious. unfortunately local prosecutors haven't done anything about it. that's why the haitian bridge alliance stepped up to file these charges for judicial review. >> have you gotten a response

from the court? >> we've entrusted this to a judge. so now we expect a review. the court has the following options, either issue arrest warrants forthwith, which means immediately. that's what the statute says. or refer to matter to a prosecutor. we asked the court to not do that, because the prosecutor hasn't acted. we're asking for judicial determination on probable cause, which will then make it more transparent to the world as to whether the prosecutor is going to fulfill the prosecutor's duties and take the charges forward. >> have you heard whether this is being actually considered? >> we spoke to the clerk of courts, and we understand it's

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last night denying any wrongdoing and vowing to stay in office. he then produced a video addressed to new yorkers. >> enough. i will fight these injustices with every ounce of my strength and my spirit. if i'm charged, i know i'm innocent. i will request an immediate trial so new yorkers can hear the truth. >> let's bring in nbc news national law enforcement and intelligence correspondent tom winter along with christie greenberg and danny savalas. the fbi showdown up around 6:00 to raid gracie mansion and get phones. again, there's information around phones and seiing them. >> as we opened the show this morning, fbi acts were arriving.

the mayor has a police detail. they're typically in suits. but what they don't have are placards in the front of their car saying federal law enforcement officials. that's what gave us tip-off that something was going on this morning and it has. his attorney said they were there to get a cell phone, but they were seen going in with cameras and duffel bags, so presumably they might be in there for something else. bottom line, we are expecting to see these charges unsealed at some point today. i think by lunchtime we'll have a lot more detail on this particular case. the question is now, how many other individuals are named, how extensive is the conduct, how voluminous is this indictment? i think all signs are pointing to this being a significant case at this point. >> christie, based on what you've seen publicly and what

you may have heard privately, what's your sense of how sweeping this indictment may be? >> i think it will be sweeping. it will be significant. if you are charging the mayor of new york city, you are going to make sure this is a really solid case. the fact they have seized his devices, they have done a search of his home, these are steps that you don't get those search warrants without probable cause. again, i do expect these will be significant charges relating to possibly illegal foreign donations from turkey to his 2021 mayoral campaign. charges could involve that as well as theft of public funds and wire fraud. these are serious charges. >> almost a year now of phones getting seized, people stepping down, people being arrested, it seems like it was almost building to this moment. >> it's a pretty safe bet with all these informations that you're likely to see one or more

cooperating witnesses here. the mayor is the top of the food chain. often the federal government is very good at finding people below individuals in the chain of command who are willing to trade up, to essentially say, look, i'll plead guilty, let's make a deal, i will testify against this person. i expect that's what you're going to see here because this is so common in these cases. we have two kinds of charges we could be looking at. federal law prohibits contributions to campaigns by foreign nationals. that applies to federal, state and local elections. however, there's a separate body of law that deals with straight-up corruption, extortion, bribery, and several of these statutes do apply to local and state officials. there's a good chance you could see one of those charges here. >> there's been a wave of fbi searches, phones being seized

from top commissioners, top city officials. we've had a few resignations. the police commissioner resigned. the schools chancellor announced an early retirement. one of adams' fundraisers has been investigated. there are so many probes out there. do we have a sense others are going to be charged today? is this adams alone? could there be other charges down the road? >> you mentioned the four investigative avenues occurring in city hall. that's correct. that could all encompass this. on top of that, we have a separate investigation that involves the police department and whether or not people were shaken down for money in order to use the now former police commissioner's brother to pay for security and whether or not police were promoted for helping to effect that scheme. that's one investigation. there's another investigation involving the new york city

sheriff. there have been allegations he was skimming money seized from illegal marijuana shops. the investigation points to an administration that might have a serious corruption problem. i think that's what people are going to focus on today, how extensive is that and what more we could here in the weeks and months to come. >> there's also the political element. can adams stay in office? can he govern? he said last night defiant that he would. he's up for reelection next year. we know a lot of new york city officials, including scott stringer, said they will not only challenge him, but call for his resignation. former governor andrew cuomo may be eyeing a run. >> there's enough smoke now and enough opportunity for him to say, i hear what people have been saying, i'm not running.

we have not heard that. >> this is u.n. general assembly week in new york city. the leader of turkey is in town. three years ago they opened the turkish consulate that i think was $300 million. given the associations we know that mayor adams has with the turkish government, what do you make of this being that same week three years later? >> the timing is incredible. generally speaking, a lot of law enforcement action doesn't really happen when the u.n. general assembly is going on, just because the agents are dealing with protection for all the dignitaries in town. this is a pretty quiet week. a $300 million building goes up, the turkish consulate where you had turkish president erdogan saying this is shows a testament to increased power of turkey. now three years later, now you

have the new york city mayor being indicted. i think what that is doing, that indictment is sending a strong message that if turkey or any of these other foreign nations want to try to engage in corruption and corrupt these public officials, you know, it is not going to be tolerated. we are going to prosecutor those cases vigorously. i think that's the message being sent with this indictment. >> fascinating. danny, we're expecting a news conference about two hours from now, fbi, doj, us attorney's office. what will you be listening for? >> what specifically he's charged with. i think maybe any answers to the question of timing. the indictment is coming out today, but we know that searches are still being executed, so why now? i think kristy brings up a good point, the timing can't be a coincidence. maybe we'll have more answers at the press conference. i'm going to be listening for what are the charges, can we

glean information about any cooperators and anything else we can find out from this document. >> that news conference expected a couple of hours from now. tom winter, kristy greenberg and danny savalas, appreciate it. moving now to the exclusive interview with msnbc's stephanie ruhle, vice president kamala harris made the case for why voters should trust her economic vision for america. harris also criticized donald trump's economic agenda and opened up about working at mcdonald's. >> tariffs aren't unique to president trump. president biden has tariffs in place. he's actually looking to potentially implement more. where do you come out on it? is there a good tariff, a bad tariff? >> part of it is you just don't throw around the idea of tariffs across the board. that's part of the problem with donald trump.

frankly -- and i say this in all sincerity -- he's just not very serious about how he thinks of some of these issues. one must be serious and have a plan that's not just some talking point ending in an exclamation at a political rally, but actually putting thought in into what will be the return on investment, what will be the economic impact on everyday people. in terms of the facts, donald trump left us with the worst economy since the great depression, when you look at, for example, the employment numbers. >> it was during covid, and employment was high because we shut down the government and shut down the country. >> even before the pandemic, he lost manufacturing jobs, by most people's estimate at least 200,000. he lost auto plants. we have grown over 20 new

auto plants. he has an agenda that would include making it more difficult for workers to earn overtime, an agenda that would include tariffs to the point that the average working person will spend 20% more on everyday necessities and an estimated $4,000 a year on those everyday necessities to the point that people in our country from nobel laureates to people at moody's and goldman sachs have compared my plan with his and said my plan would grow the economy, his would shrink the economy. >> i want to ask you yes or no, at any point in your life have you earned two all beef paties

on a sesame seed bun? >> i have. [ indiscernible ] >> let me ask about a big job. >> to your point, if you don't mind, let me get to the big job. >> please. >> part of the reason i even talk about having worked at mcdonald's is because there are people who work at mcdonald's in our country who are trying to raise a family. i worked there as a student. i was a kid who worked there. part of the difference between me and my opponent includes our perspective on the needs of the american people and what our responsibility is to meet those needs. >> it's such a huge difference in their backgrounds. her middle class background being raised by her mom and and and and working hard. >> the constant struggle. >> not being given hundreds of millions of dollars in

inheritance and kind of flitting around from here to there. but, yeah, she's worked really hard. so what is donald trump's answer to just like say, no, you didn't. >> yeah. >> no, you didn't. you know, he's trying to erase her middle class background, and you just can't do it. >> yeah. that was a fascinating interview with stephanie ruhle. i want to get a sense of, because there was also, peter baker, so many people saying she doesn't say anything about her economic plan, she doesn't do interviews. she did a speech yesterday about her economic plan and the interview. do you think that she said enough to prove that she has her own vision for america that answers some of these questions? >> look, it wasn't the most expansive interview you've heard on an economic talk. most importantly, you have it. she can say, look, i do have a plan, i gave a speech, i

answered questions on it, i care about people suffering in this country and don't feel the economy has quite caught up with them, right? >> mm-hm. >> the specifics in it are meant to communicate to individuals like i have your values, i know it's hard to raise a child, you might need some help there. i know it's hard to start a small business, i might have something to help you there. those specifics may not be all that meaningful to voters, but what's important to now is she does have a plan and she can answer that question. >> it is though -- eugene, you can look at that interview with stephanie ruhle and you can look at her answers. i challenge anybody to find an interview over nine years from donald trump where he actually talked about facts, specific -- as specific as those facts, where he actually ever said anything along the lines of i've got a $50,000 tax credit for startup small business owners, because i understand that the economy runs on small business

owners. i've got a $6,000 child tax credit for parents with children. i'm going to help people get into their first home. i'm going to give them -- you know, we're going to create incentives and tax incentives to give people tax breaks and also to give contractors incentives to build 3 million new homes in the next four years. so i just said all of that, and i ask anybody find donald trump talking about issues over the last nine years where he completes a sentence. you know, ask him about child tax credits. he rambles on about tariffs. ask him about balanced budgets. he rambles on about tariffs. ask him about causing the biggest explosion in the national debt. he talks about tariffs. >> he talks about big faucets. you turn it and water comes out.

i swear to god. >> part of it is he can't stay focused when he's doing these, especially at a rally, right, or even in an interview when it's billed as an economic speech. this is not an economic speech. he veers off into his greatest hits, the red meat he throws to his base. he can't focus on what is the biggest issue for every american across the board. >> all he says is, i have the greatest economy ever. they have the worst economy ever. he never gets to the specifics. it's like what i said a couple hours ago. he is skating by with the mainstream media, not just fox and newsmax and the "new york post," but the mainstream media, who will sit and -- and let him skate by on what the bush brothers called the soft bigotry of low expectations. and it's bizarre to me that you

actually have serious writers who are actually listening to his gibberish and then looking at kamala harris and going, oh, but she needs to give more detailed answers on her economic vision for america, when she had. >> part of it is he -- people have just gotten used to the way that he talks even though it is to abnormal when you think about the way that almost any politician with any kind of power talks in this country. so i think, you know, as folks -- people don't really know vice president harris. i've covered her for a while. so we're not surprised when she answers a question like this. now, kamala harris in the first year was in some of those questions a little shaky, but what she was able to do since then was get some of that practice, do some of that media practice and get more comfortable in the job. that's what folks are seeing now, right? people are polling when it comes to the economy folks are trusting her more than they did in the past few months.

>> first of all, they let him skate by not just on his thoughts, if you want to call them that, on the economy, but on crime. i watched on a conservative news network 20 minutes of five hosts saying that january 6th was not a big deal. it's just crazy how the left thinks that anyone cares about this, going on and on and on about january 6th just being kind of a bad day, and that's it. i say that because it's kind of frightening to me as an american citizen, but also to point out it's not just letting him skate by on what he talks about in terms of policy. it's anything that he does. and then the comparison that you talk about, you said that her speech, peter, may be not as in depth as some other economic speeches we've seen, but we have to compare her to who she's

running against, and that's the issue here. billionaire mark cuban, a kamala harris supporter, appeared on cnbc's "squawk box" and shared her vision on the economy. >> how much more do you think the public knows now, and how much more do you think the public should know? >> obviously they know more. she's talking more. she's giving speeches. she was very clear about tariffs right there. she's got 40 days. she went from lack of favorability to 50 days later from where she started she's at worst tied, right? people on her economic policy, she was behind trump 25%. now she's behind 11%. so she's making progress. if she continues along that trend, the trend is her friend. it means she's doing the right things. she'll keep on communicating new ideas, new elements. she was a lot more specific on tariffs and where she stands.

the difference to her and donald trump to her point, when i take to her team about different things, she goes back and her team does a full analysis. >> that's a fair point. she has made progress in terms of the economic debate with trump. he owned that debate for a long time partly by repetition, saying over and over again it was the greatest economy, which is not the case. >> even before covid among post-war presidents, he ranked seventh among post-war presidents behind jimmy carter when you look at gnp. and yet, you know, he was allowed to go on mainstream media outlets and keep saying i have the greatest economy of all time. >> he's repeated it so many times even democrats have begun

to believe it. it's a remarkable thing. >> he's getting a lot of help with that repetition, a lot of help. let's bring in andrew ross sorkin. so mark cuban, tell us more. >> i think that line at the end where he said the trend is your friend, you know, from the folks i was talking to last night who saw the speech and the interview with stephanie ruhle, and the question is do the -- do the independents, do those folks in the middle who weren't sure which way they were going to go, does this push them over? it definitely made some what i would call reluctant harris supporters less reluctant, meaning, they saw that and said, you know what, that they're behind what she's doing, that she now has an economic plan, or at least we understand the economic values she has in a way that we didn't before. i think you're going to hear

more from her over the next couple weeks about that. i'm sure there will be people who will debate about the specifics. there's a line in her speech yesterday where she said she was a capitalist. that was music to the ears of folks who weren't really sure where she stood. they heard her called a progressive. we're hearing from a lot of folks in her company that she was going to tack to the center, but was she really? this was to the world of business a sigh of relief. yes, she's going to have higher corporate taxes than former president trump would be pushing for. at the same time there's a sense now you're going to have divided government anyway. that's another thing going on that people don't fully appreciate. for those worried she's going to be taxing people like crazy or something like that, that's going to be very hard to put in

place too. the feedback i heard from the business community last night was very, very positive for her pretty much across the board. they want to know more, but they were feeling -- they were feeling better. again, i don't know if this is a vibes campaign, but the vibes were better. >> andrew, what have you and i been hearing whether from ceos or business owners for 15 years when barack obama was president were democrats' policies during the trump presidency or the biden presidency, they're going too far left, they're big-government liberals, they're whatever, they've been taken over by the progressives. joe biden is a progress, kamala harris is a radical. of course donald trump takes it a step further and says a marxist or a communist. when the head of the democratic party says i am a capitalist, i

am going to cut taxes for small businesses, i'm going to cut taxes for people building homes, i'm going to give free market incentives to build 3 million new homes in four years. when she says the federal government can't fix anything, i go back again -- and peter baker will realize this very well -- bill clinton going, the era of big government is over. all of us republicans died laughing and said nobody will believe that. but clinton tacked to the center. we balanced the budget four years in a row. i don't think people should underestimate what she said yesterday. >> i'll also suggest one other thing, which is, you know, neither of these candidates talk about debt or deficits, which is something i think that voters care about in some way or another, though maybe they don't care too much about it. in truth, if you really listened to her yesterday talk about taxes, you know, who is going to try to balance the budget or get closer to that? she is. she talked about higher corporate taxes. clearly she talked about higher

taxes on the very wealthy. that may make the very wealthy frustrated or upset, but she also said something very interesting. she said i'm not against them being wealthy, i'm not against success. i just want to figure out a way to tax the system in a fair way. i think that to some degree resonated. i know there are some selfish folks out there who are super greedy who don't even like the idea of it. but when you start to think about what is the more practical approach to all these things, she definitely laid out her case, and i think it landed to a large degree. >> when you look at people like scott galloway who will tell you that the system is rigged towards business and against people, that is a message that lands with a lot of even business owners. >> look at those small businesses and the $50,000 is a

piece of it. when you think about small businesses, the goal is to make them big businesses. that's the implied nature of what kind of incentives she's trying to put in place. so, again, i think when you start to hear these different pieces, i'm a capitalist, i care about free and fair markets, i care about small business, i'm trying to figure out how to get housing supply to be better, because the housing issue is the inflation issue. people forget that. when you deal with inflation, one of the things you have to deal with is housing supply. there's a lot of different parts here that i think are starting to gel and come together. we didn't have it all gelling together. we had little pieces. i think some of the pieces are coming together. the truth is we're going to have to hear more to get the full puzzle to really fit. >> andrew ross sorkin, as always, thank you very much for coming on this morning. and -- >> we will never get the full

picture. we will never get the pieces of the puzzle for donald trump because he talks about tariffs, sharks and hannibal lecter. >> he changes his thoughts on abortion when it comes to stealing rights from women after 50 years and now he wants to change his opinion on it. coming up, we're keeping an eye on the first hearing of the house task force investigating the attempted assassination on former president donald trump set to get under way minutes from now. plus, tony blair will be our guest. he says his new book is the manual he wished he had when living at 10 downing street. he joins us next on "morning joe." downing street. he joins us next on "morning joe.

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in doing what we have done today, we are carried out what i

believe to be the overwhelming majority of people here in northern ireland, the chance to live in peace, the chance to raise children out of the shadow of fear. that is all that the people of northern ireland have ever asked for. they now have that chance. today is only the beginning, though. it isn't the end. today we have just a sense of the prize that is before us. the work to win that prize goes on. we cannot, we must not let it slip from our grasp. >> then-prime minister of the u.k. tony blair back in april of 1998 on the day the historic good friday agreement was struck in belfast. blair's pivotal role in those negotiations, one of the topics he covered in a new book titled "on leadership, lessons for the 21st century." prime minister, it's great to have you with us. >> thank you, willie. i was just reflecting on the

aging process. >> i noticed you marveling at the young man on the screen there. >> who's that guy? yeah. >> also when you think about the negotiations that led to that historic agreement, what did it take on the theme of leadership to get you to that day? and as we think about what's happening right now, negotiations of a potential cease-fire as we sit here and speak in the u.n. general assembly -- secretary blinken was here in the middle of it trying to get hezbollah and israel to stop firing at each over long enough to reach some kind of deal. what does it take to reach agreements in situations that seem intractable? >> the book is as much about the mistakes as the things that went well. but i think you need at least three things. you need a framework agreement that people regard as just and fair that pays attention to the narratives of both sides.

you need leadership that is willing to take risks for peace. and the final thing is, you need absolute relentless focus. when i made that speech there in northern ireland, it was another ten years or nine years when we actually got the parties who had been bitterly opposed to each other sitting together and governing together in northern ireland. basically, you're in a situation, and it's the same as the middle east where people are living side by side, so there's no alternative that works but to live in peace. >> let's look then at the middle east right now. do you see hope where others do not see hope that there can be some kind of resolution? obviously you've always been in favor of a two-state solution. i trust you are still. do you hold out hope now since the last 12 months and october 7th and years before that that there can be some kind of

peaceful resolution to the conflict? >> i do still hold out hope, though i'm not sure if that's rational or comes from an inate optimism that cannot be suppressed. you require a situation where people in the north of israel are able to go back to their homes free from attacks across the border. remember, october 7th happened, and that was the attack from gaza on israel. but october 8th, they started attacking israelis in the north. the problem is for almost a year now the families have been displaced from their homes. so this has been a running saw that is getting dealt with now, but that was problem all the way through. the only time you're going to get a residenceulation short-term is if people are allowed to return to their homes in peace, and hezbollah also go

back to where they're supposed to be under the u.n. resolution that ended the 2006 war. they haven't been there. it's important people understand that. they've been literally right across the border from israel, when under the resolution they're supposed to be several miles back. >> joe. >> mr. prime minister, when we talk about the middle east, it seems like it's intractable, that there was no way forward. but people were saying the same thing about northern ireland. one of the things you talk about in your book is understanding when that window opens and when it's time to close the deal. can you go into that a bit more? because, again, for people who may not have been around 25, 26 years or paying close attention, people were saying the same thing about northern ireland and peace there that they're saying

about peace in the middle east. talk about, again, in this book how you talk about finding the time where you have to close the deal. >> so the important thing is you've got to create a situation in which a negotiation can succeed. while the fighting is going on, it's very hard for people to come together. if you're in gaza right now and you're part of the population there, there's been huge destruction, many people have lost their lives. if you're in israel, you're still remembering what happened on october 7th, you've still got hostages kept in gaza. you've got to have that agreement short-term before you can then open up the window that you're talking about. we need both in the north with lebanon and in the south with gaza, you need to calm the situation, and then people may be able to speak to each other about how the future looks and

how it unfolds. because right now you've got a situation where the war continues, the suffering continues, and it's hard for me to see how either side while that's the case is going to think about long-term questions about a palestinian state. in the international community, your president and my prime minister, all of us talk about a two-state solution, a secure state of israel, independent state of palestine. but if you're in israel right now, that seems pretty unreal is istic what's happened. >> mr. prime minister, on another conflict now, many have praised the nation of ukraine and president zelenskyy. he's in washington today meeting with president biden, presenting his victory plan. give us your thoughts on where you see the future of that war.

also the zelenskyy model of governance versus the putin model of governance. >> there's going to be an agreement of sorts. the important thing for us is to give ukraine every support so they're in a better position to negotiate that agreement in a way that doesn't reward russian aggression. this was an attack on a country with a democratically elected president whose people have offered no threat to anybody. if president putin is allowed to succeed in that objective, then i think if you talk to east european leaders, they'll think they're all at risk as well. it's a really important moment to show the west has the staying power and determination and resolve to understand right from wrong, to stand up for the ukrainian people and make sure when that agreement comes, it's one that's fair to them and one that doesn't encourage either this russian president or a

future russian president to try this again. >> mr. prime minister, you were swept in obviously by a massive landslide. you were the longest-serving labour prime minister. and yet i marvel at the fact that you still are open to a criticism in a way that only british prime ministers seem to be. in america, former presidents, we will -- to quote sarah palin, you will put lipstick on any pig. if you are a former united states president, just wait 20 or 30 years and you will be called near great. i find it just the opposite in britain where former british prime ministers are routinely savaged, despite the fact, again, you were a historic figure for the labour party. so what would you tell young tony blair when he was entering politics about the importance of perspective and the importance

of -- of -- of being less interested in being popular than being right? >> it's going to be extremely tough. you will be subject to a huge amount of criticism. it's voluntary, so if you don't like it, you don't have to do it. it's a huge privilege ever to lead your own country. in the end, the criticism is what it is. i think politics today is a lot tougher. one thing i say in the book is that the honest thing about politics is any walk of life where you put someone in a really important position where they have billions of pounds or dollars at their disposal, you know, you would expect a long, long experience and you'd expect professional books to be written about how you do it better. the reason i wrote this is i found you have to be the great

persuader to win. you get into power, and you've got to be the good chief executive. that skill set is completely different. and in a way where the difference is -- of course, whereas in business you're not operating in that social media swamp. today you are. i think, therefore, also as a leader, you've got to get a bit of inner zen to allow that -- because otherwise you're driven crazy by it. do not read the comments. >> good advice for everyone, by the way. one of the criticisms you've heard from 20 years now -- and you write about it in the book -- is the decision to stand shoulder to shoulder with president bush and go into iraq. what would you do differently now with two decades of hindsight? >> the thing i learned from that -- and it's a really important lesson -- is you have to have full awareness of all

the facts of a situation when you're in those extremely intense points of decision making. i guess we -- you know, we thought it was possible to introduce democracy in those countries in a way where there was always going to be so many people who were going to fight and undermine it. having said that, i still think in the end the only future for whether it's iraq or afghanistan or actually iran or the other countries in the region is to move away from this sort of islamist concept of government and towards, you know, whether it's democracy or not, at least society's religious tolerance and economies where you're trying to connect your people to the world. and, you know, if you ask what my sort of feeling of optimism is for the middle east, i agree the situation is terrible at the moment, but i think it's important for people to understand that underneath the surface, the real movement to modernization across the middle

east where people are trying to put religion in its proper place between you and your god and not try and turn it into a political ideology that is necessarily going to be totalitarian and exclusive. >> the new book is "on leadership, lessons for the 21st century. it is on sale now. critical piece of advice, don't read the comments. very wise. former prime minister of the united kingdom, tony blair, thank you for being here this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, the task force for the investigation of former president trump got under way moments ago. officials working the butler, pennsylvania, rally where a gunman nearly took trump's life in july are expected to testify. we'll have a live look at capitol hill. plus, a live look at tampa as we look at hurricane helene

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welcome back to "morning joe." a live picture of our plaza center at rockefeller center. 6:50 as you wake up. we're pushing in on the window right there, for our nbc family coming out, our beloved hoda kotb announced she would be steppingy from the "today" show, but you will still see her around. she's been at nbc for 26 years, and i know, mika, you know her the way i do. she has two young girls and said basically, i only have so much time left in this world, all of

us do, and i want to give all of it i can to them. we are feeling today for the "today" family. the person you see on tv is the person she's off tv. all that love and warmth, we have benefited from our own lives over the years. we are sad to see her stepping away from the daily show, but she will be around. >> hoda and i have been friends for decades and she was pinching herself when she became the "today" show main host, but we have been in this business a long time and have had a lot of laughs about the business. she was on one of the 50 over 50 list and i had her at the luncheon, and she sums it up, and she says, mika, it gets greater later. i know she's making this decision because of the great

things she has in front of her. so congratulations, hoda, although a big loss for us. i can't wait to talk to her about it. big news. all right, moving on, happening right now, let's go to live pictures inside capitol hill where the task force investigating the assassination attempt on trump is holding its first hearing. let's bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent, ali vitali. she's outside the hearing room. what can we expect? >> reporter: we are just a few minutes under way here, this is going to look different than the hearings we have seen thus far regarding the assassination attempt on july 13th in butler, pennsylvania. a lot of these witnesses were on the ground or can speak to the

regular methodology of the secret service, but it's not the secret service director himself. we can expect the tone and tenure the members themselves want to present, and they want to get to what happened and try to make tangible changes so something like this could never happen again. witnesses are beginning to give their opening statements. i was struck in the opening remarks from the opening chair, mark kelly, and jason crow, the bipartisan fashion with which they are talking about this, because it's a top order that does not know political party or

political partisanship. what is interesting about this hearing, this week we have seen the investigations in butler, and the secret service did their own investigation into something like this happening, and secret service and local law enforcement agencies were not coordinating the way they should have been, for example, communicating directly by cell phone. that doesn't make for fast and rapid communication and seconds matter in moments like this one. you look at the screen at some of the other things found in the bipartisan report, the fact 7 there were additional resource requests denied and breakdowns in communication, and congress continues to try and find out what happened so it doesn't go wrong again, guys. >> all right, nbc's ali vitali,

thank you so much. people may try on social media to make this a one side against another wedge issue, but the anger and concern is bipartisan. all americans should be stunned by what happened in butler. still, again, so many questions. i am glad they are having these hearings because americans need to know what happened. >> it laid bare things that were happening in the secret service for a long time. even vice president harris, they were driving under a bridge and they popped a tire. you have had issues years and years with the secret service. they replaced the director and they had another planned assassination right at the former president's golfing place, so when you think about what needs to change, it has to move past politics. it shows that maybe there's

something bubbling under our own surface where we can get past politics every once in a while. >> peter, everybody is walking a tightrope here. even donald trump, it's one of the few times he's walking a tightrope where he will complain what happened in butler, and he will say, the secret service are great and i love them, and we all want to think the secret service is doing a good job and we want to thank our leaders. but the failures are mind-boggling. they knew about this guy for 27 minutes. >> these pictures. i mean -- >> he had a straight shot at the former president. to me -- just one of the most shocking things is the secret service let him casually get his shoes, and then kept his head exposed to a second or third shooter for 11, 12, 15 seconds,

and then let him stand up before he got into his suv to wave to the crowd. you followed presidents and it would never happen in the past, would it? >> no. we usually do travel with presidents often and we have a lot of respect for the secret service agents we encounter and i see a lot of professionalism every day, but the breakdowns are stark. it's america being targeted in some way when you have a leader security not established there. it's a wake-up call for a lot of people in washington that the secret service have been over stretched and they treated trump as a candidate and he's also a former president, so a lot of things to be explored here. >> we will follow that. that does it for us this morning. we will see you tomorrow morning, bright and early, 6:00

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