for the city we all love. ad paid for by re-elect mayor london breed 2024. financial disclosures are available at sfethics.org. good to be with you. i'm katy tur in for chris jansing. ahead for us, for the first time in history, the feds have indicted a sitting new york city

mayor. the details on the bar the southern district of new york had to clear to bring the charges along with what mayor eric adams is being accused of. now the question is would he stay or will he go? if he doesn't go willingly, will governor kathy hochul remove him herself? hurricane helene is about to make landfall, now being called unsurvivable. we're live with the impact. and right now, he, this man right here, owes half a billion dollars to the state of new york, but could donald trump's lawyers get the whole judgment thrown out? we'll take you inside the courtroom to hear what they're trying to argue right now. let's begin, though, here in new york city with the historic federal corruption case against the city's sitting mayor, eric adams in the 57-page indictment. prosecutors have charged adams with five counts of conspiracy, bribery, fraud, and illegal

campaign contributions. they argue he ran a criminal scheme dating back ten years, where he accepted cash, lavish travel, expensive meals, and stays at five-star hotels from foreign nationals, including at least one turkish government official. here is u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, damon williams. >> public office is a privilege. we allege that mayor adams abused that privilege and broke the law, laws that are designed to ensure that officials like him serve the people, not the highest bidder, not a foreign bidder and certainly not a foreign power. >> before the sun was up this morning, federal agents raided his mayoral residence searching for what the mayor's lawyer says was his cell phone. just before noon in the driveway of that same mansion, mayor adams, who was flanked by supporters, vowed to stay in

office. >> this did not surprise us that we reached this day. and i ask new yorkers to wait to hear our defense before making any judgments. from here, my attorneys will take care of the case so i can take care of the city. >> you heard the mayor right there, remaining largely defiant, though some new yorkers made it pretty clear that they want him to go. >> unconscionable. >> joining me now, new york daily news politics report e chris summerfeld, nbc investigative correspondent, tom winter, and criminal defense attorney, and msnbc legal analyst, danny cevallos. tom, i'm going to begin with you and talk a little bit about what the feds were able to gather here. they say this dates back ten years, back when he was brooklyn borough president before he was even the mayor.

>> that's something that surprised people today. they felt this is one particular deal involving this turkish consulate building, the turkish house. is this this big of a deal or an announcement, no, the pattern and practice of eric adams going to turkish businessmen, and in one particular case, going to the turkish government, for something to get done, pay me or for something to get done in the form of a campaign contribution, i would like first class tickets, these type of hotel benefits and it's never that overt. there's nothing that has a text message or something that is said so clearly, an adams business person who's not named specifically in this indictment, who appears to be one of the go-betweens. there's a campaign manager that we know about, just because of our reporting on it, that was searched as a result of this. there's a whole host of activity, katy, beyond the alleged scheme here. the actions eric adams took when

his phone was taken. the actions his campaign manager took when the fbi knocked on the door. she felt the need to call the mayor five times. so i think to your point, it's the length of conduct here that has surprised so many in new york city, and in speaking with people inside city government, it's what has them so upset. >> for those of you out there who doesn't live in new york city, a borough president, it's not entirely ceremonial, but largely ceremonial, and to think that a turkish government official or that a turkish businessman would look at mayor adams as the brooklyn borough president and say, you know, i think i'm going to make an investment in that person. somebody says, we think you might be president one day, that's why we're interested in you, and mayor adams was accepting the flattery and accepting the money that came along with it according to prosecutors, and telling those around him to find a way to get

that money, and the way they found a way to get that money was through people, individuals here in the united states who were allowed to make campaign contributions. and one of the other allegations i found so shocking is the allegation that he stole money from new yorkers, from the taxpayers because these small donations that were made in individuals' names or through them, straw donors were matched by the city. explain that, danny. >> that's count two. that's the wire fraud, and that's the matching funds program, and it's a really terrific program that's designed to encourage politicians to seek out the votes of just regular folks, and it allows, i believe, up to seven times of the contribution from that individual, that small donor, as alleged in the indictment, adams used that and not only used that but then magnified it, multiplied it, and ended up getting a lot of money. >> $10 million, right? >> a lot of money for his

campaign. yes. so that's where you see the wire fraud allegations, that's count 2. but you have a whole host of other bribery and federal election law violations, which, by the way, the government has a lot of tools in its arsenal, but not quite as many federal statutes apply to state and local elections. but federal election law does apply when it comes to foreign nationals. they're prohibited from contributing not only to federal elections but local and state elections as well. that's why you see that statute right here in this indictment. >> how do you allege that mayor aims due this? he knew exactly what he was doing, he understood it. there were communications where he said that this was something that, you know, couldn't trace back to me. he said in a different language. but the message was, take this, just don't make it so that anybody can see that i did it. >> right. there were clear efforts here to conceal the activity, and they lay that out here, and the use of encrypted messaging apps in the ways that it was kind of layered, not layered as we would

talk about in money laundering circles, but layered in the standpoint, i want to get a donation from danny, danny, don't send me the donation or talk to me, i want you to talk to katy, and that's effectively the way this came together. there were people in between, but ultimately, according to the indictment, it led to one place. an important question here, we have seen it with an individual who is charged as being unregistered agent of the chinese government who find their way into the upper echelons of new york state government, and we see the alleged scheme involving the turkish government or turkish business individuals. how far does it go in new york state, in new york city, of foreign entities involved in effectively pay for play or to have their eyes and ears within new york city in new york state government. i can tell you that is something that is very much of a concern of the fbi, and i think the real reason you saw james denehe, his

past, running the intelligence office of the fbi. >> the money is intoxicating to certain individuals. governor kathy hochul has the authority to remove mayor adams from office if she so chooses. mayor adams says he's not going to step down. he's going to fight the charges. do you have any idea where the governor's head is at? >> i think we can read something into what the governor told reporters earlier today, where she didn't come out in defense of the mayor. she didn't say what she's going to do. she said that she needs to read through the charges and deliberate on them at length before making any sort of movement. but the fact that he's not out of the gate coming out and defending eric adams, who has, since he took office and since she took office, been a pretty prominent ally for him. i think that's absolutely sending some warning signs to

eric adams and people around eric adams. >> he's not a popular mayor here, not popular in many circles. would the city itself be sad to see him go? we heard that heckler outside of the grayson mansion? >> you know, he won by a thin margin in 2021. it was only something like 7,000 votes in a city of, you know, 9 million people. his approval ratings are at historic lows. we haven't seen these type of chaotic approval ratings of mayors. i think there's a large segment of the city that would be happy to see him go. of course he has supporters. he has a large segment of supporters in the outer boroughs. there's a lot of discontent with eric adams and new york city at the moment. >> how does the former governor, cuomo factor into this? there's been talk he might want to run for governor again. there's talk maybe he would want

to run for mayor. would that plan to kathy hochul's thinking at all, the current governor? >> andrew cuomo has been a jack in the box here, floating his name for a long time in terms of running both for his old job, governor, but also to run for mayor. the caveat, as i report and as other colleagues had reported, he doesn't want to run unless eric adams is out of the picture. now, it looks like a resignation from eric adams, not out of the realm of possibility, and if that does indeed happen, i do think, and i do think a lot of people in new york city politics expect andrew cuomo to jump into the race and launch a bid from there. >> does it feel like a different moment? we had senator memenendez and corruption and bribery, what has

been happening in california, state and local officials there. are we in a golden age of politicians acting corruptly? >> yeah, i heard somebody reference it the other day. it's talked about in our circles and law enforcement that cover it, are we in the golden age of fraud? because we know about it, because they're putting charges on individuals, or because people feel emboldened to do this type of thing. when you were laying out the facts, how far back this goes, to ten years ago when he was the borough president, what was it that turkey identified in these turkish businessmen identified? >> this guy likes the night life. >> when did the for sale sign go up? that's the question, long-term, what's going on. there's a lot of things referenced here. people pick up the phone, call

the mayor's office, the fire inspection, i need this done. there's no doubt that it's a city where connections help make things happen. it's when does it turn to this type of behavior. i think one of the most interesting things said at the press conference. there's an ongoing investigation, we're going to continue to look into it. it's true. an indictment is a period at the end of a big sentence when it comes to things being dropped. quote, we will hold more people accountable. we might arrest more people. we're going to continue to look into it. that's a promise. i think there's probably a lot of people in new york city government that are sweating right now, and we still haven't heard anything about the police investigation. that remains ongoing. there were indications of four distinct avenues of this new york city mayor's office or broader new york city government. today just kind of felt like from a prosecutor's standpoint, we've got all the facts. we've got all the elements on this thing. put a box on it. bow it up.

and get it out the door. >> i don't know about you, but i was thinking of the former police commissioner. her leaving so abruptly, and i wonder what she might have seen and how she might be feeling today as the world around eric adams is collapsing. you were nodding your head, danny, when we were talking about the golden age of fraud. >> i don't know that we're in the golden age of fraud. i think we're in the golden age of evidence because back in the days of tammany hall. >> obviously we're not going to go back and compare it to that. >> there were no cell phones, and now all you need to do is take a look at this indictment, and it is bristling with digital evidence. and even this morning, the feds know to seize more devices. >> if you go back and delete your messages, can the fed still get them? can they uncover the messages? >> it depends on what app you're using, and don't forget, everyone you sent it to, they have it as well. when you look at the indictment,

you see how many people were involved in eric adams' orbit, and you can bet that a lot of those people are probably cooperators. they're people that to whom when the government went to them and said what's going on, they said you know what, take all of my stuff, i don't want to get in trouble. maybe some will end up pleading guilty. some probably handed over evidence or the government got them by subpoenas, search warrants, we are in a golden age, and it's of digital evidence, and folks like eric adams may be from an era where they do dumber things on their devices than maybe younger folks who are more sophisticated with these apps and whatsapp and all the other apps where you can make stuff disappear, snapchat, whatever the case may be. everything that emerges from the indictment to me, the word clumsy, that's what i think throughout reading the indictment. criminals don't put down their bad thoughts or agreements in writing, they kind of do nowadays when it comes to text messages and e-mails as well. . >> i wonder what we would find

with charlie wrinkle or shelley silver if they were using phones. >> and the technology you can pull from these things, you've seen it on discovery. >> you could do the whole hour on this, i'm so interested in this story. i'm being told we have to go, tom winter, danny cevallos, and chris summerfelt, thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it. and we are just hours away from hurricane helene's landfall in new york, and experts say the storm is strengthening, even in a state used to extreme storms, this could be a once in a generation event. it's a category 2, but intensifying rapidly. it could be a cat 3 or cat 4 by the time it comes to shore. some areas are bracing for unsurvivable storm surges of up to 20 feet. already streets are flooding. this is pine island today. officials are begging anyone who hasn't yet evacuated the 19 counties that are under alert right now to get out now before

it is too late. here was the fema administrator at the white house saying the same last hour. >> think back two years ago to hurricane ian. the peak storm surge from that was 14 feet. we saw the amount of destruction and 150 people lost their lives. the majority of them from drowning. so please, take this threat responsibly. >> nbc's bill karins is tracking the forecast for us. so when is this going to make landfall? >> it looks like about 10 to 11 this evening, the coastal areas south of the tallahassee and perry, florida. that's going to take the brunt of the eye and the wind. this storm is so huge, there are water issues so widespread. we're talking surge problems all along the west coast of florida this evening as we head toward high tide. the rainfall issues inland are just, you know, mind blowing, all the way to north carolina and the mountains. we're expecting a possibility of record all-time flooding, like some cities are going to have

rivers rushing to the middle. 110 miles per hour winds was the new update with the hurricane center, as strong as it gets for a category 2. if helene gets stronger, it will become a hurricane. and, again, position between tallahassee and perry, florida, tonight, all the way through georgia. this storm is moving very fast. it's going to take a while for it to wind down. it's so big, so much energy, we're going to have widespread power outages through the state of georgia. tomorrow morning, when we wake up, windy, up to 60, 70 miles per hour, atlanta, flash flooding a huge issue, 43 million people. numerous flash flood warnings in the mountains of north carolina. this is unusual. a high risk of flash flooding, these are rare. they don't happen that often and this includes 11 million people. that means that anyone within this, we expect flash flooding, life threatening flash flooding for that matter, and that does include the atlanta metro area. someone will get 20 inches of

rain. and the hurricane hasn't even gotten here yet. as far as the wind impacts go, the worst of it, there's a lot of big oaks in tallahassee, power outages lasting weeks there. if you get the 110 miles per hour winds, cedar key, it's not going to be a walk in the park. wind gusts 80 to 100. this goes to atlanta. power outages anywhere in yellow, the red, widespread, and as far as the storm surge goes, this will be this evening, after dark, you know, 4 to 8 feet in the tampa area could be record breaking. you're not close to that landfall. of course everyone is talking about the 20 foot surge possible. that will be summing up around keaton beach. there's not a lot to destroy. a 20 foot storm surge will destroy whatever is in its way. >> scary amount of water. in 90 seconds, benjamin netanyahu brushes off a new u.s.-led push for a cease fire, declaring instead they're going

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what's the latest? >> reporter: yeah, katy, you're seeing this diplomatic scramble on an international level. there's a lot of parallels here between what's happening in israel and lebanon's hezbollah group, in terms of negotiations being mediated by all of these other nations, including the united states, france and the european union. what happened for the past year, the negotiations that tried and tried and tried again to find some sort of resolution to the conflict in the gaza strip and that failed repeatedly. this time, once again, we saw there was noises from the israeli prime minister's office saying that it sounded like they might be agreeing to some sort of deal, and then this morning, we hear that the right wing of benjamin netanyahu's already right wing cabinet threatened they would pull out and collapse his government if he decided to go with this deal that would bring three weeks of a cease fire to lebanon. now, meanwhile, we're all seeing this massive flood of displaced people coming up from southern

lebanon up to here in beirut and to points further north and the valley in the east, which israel has been pommelling, another hezbollah stronghold in this country. and this country, lebanon, has been struggling not only to deal with this, but five years into a crippling economic crisis. they were dealing with a syrian refugee problem from years before. they are struggling and appealing for international help to help the displaced people. >> what is the relationship between the lebanese government and hezbollah. we call hezbollah a terrorist organization, so does much of the west. what is their link to the lebanese government? some people would say they are a state within a state. they dominate all of southern lebanon, and this neighborhood behind me in southern beirut and parts of the valley. that's almost too generous to the lebanese state. you have been seeing that in the

relief effort, where the lebanese government is almost absent. hezbollah and other political parties, like a shia political party had been present, and international organizations like where we were today, speaking with unicef and other u.n. agency, they're the ones leading the effort, whereas the lebanese government, their rescue effort, and their presence in the country has been almost absent for several years. lebanon is dominated by hezbollah itself. far usurping the power of the lebanese regular military, and hezbollah, we talk about them as a terrorist organization, a militant group, they're also a very powerful political party. they have ministerial positions, seats in the parliament, and their alliance in which they participate is the leading party in government. so they are extremely powerful here. they control a lot of the ports. they control the airports. they're nothing like hamas in terms of their power.

they have freedom of movement throughout the world, and they are the main beneficiaries of iranian in the middle east. that is why they're so powerful, and why a conflict between israel and hezbollah is scaring the entire region. >> they've got hezbollah, hamas, the houthis, israel surrounded. we saw ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy arrive at the white house for a meeting with president biden who pledged an additional $8 billion in aid for its war against russia. nbc's ali vitali is in washington for us. so volodymyr zelenskyy wants a lot from the west still, continued support, yes, but he also wants the ability to aim and shoot farther into russian territory. >> reporter: yeah, ukrainian president zelenskyy coming into the meeting with a couple objectives. he wants to share his so-called

victory plan with president biden, but also, as you mentioned, persuade president biden to loosen restrictions on these western weapons given to ukraine to be able to strike deeper into russia because up until this point, the biden administration had said that they want to see evidence and more information on how the ukrainians would use those weapons and how those weapons would fit into the overall goal of ukraine's war with the russian invasion, and so the president using this visit today to announce his continues support for ukraine this morning announcing more aid in the form of more than $8 million going to ukraine's military. also the first shipment of a precision guided medium range glide bomb that has the capability of going up to 81 miles of a range, and the president is also announcing more aid in the form of more ukrainian fighter pilots that will be trained by the pentagon. all of this in an effort to really, before the president

leaves office, make sure that these resources and these steps are taken to continue this legacy of supporting ukraine, katy. >> ali vitali, thank you very much. and coming up, donald trump's new play to reverse a half billion dollar civil fraud verdict. that's been accruing millions of dollars in interest every single day while he's fighting to not have to pay it. don't go anywhere.

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today, lawyers for former president donald trump tried to convince a judge to throw out his massive new york civil fraud verdict. the former president currently owes more than $478 million. that's nearly half a billion after a judge ruled he over valued his assets, including mar-a-lago and his apartment at trump tower. and every day that he does not pay, the amount grows with the interest estimated at more than $100,000 a day. here's what a lawyer for the former president argued today in

court. this case involves a clear cut violation of the statute of limitations in the law of case doctrine. joining us now, msnbc legal correspondent, lisa rubin. so lisa, they're arguing for the whole thing to be thrown out. what are the chances, it's going to get tossed? >> i think the chances that the whole thing are going to get thrown out are limited. although, you heard a number of judges today express much more concern than i thought they would about the underlying theory of the case. you'll recall that the attorney general of the state of new york, tish james, brought this case under sort of little used new york law called new york executive law 6312, they say, meaning the trump folks say, that's designed for circumstances separate and apart from what here was a private series of transactions between sophisticated commercial parties, no one was hurt. the attorney general honestly takes a different approach to that, but you heard a lot of

skepticism today from the judges on the panel, leaving more so than i was expecting. >> why do you think that is? >> i think this is a novel application of the law, even the attorney general's office would concede that to some extent, but they say the statute is deliberately elastic, that it is not limited in the way the trump folks say. there's nothing, for example, in the statute that says it can only be used for consumer fraud situations. they say it was designed to give the attorney general broad powers to remedy fraud on commercial markets. >> one of the ways the law had been used in the past wasn't consumer cases but also when there was a clear victim, somebody who was defrauded, lost something of value, and in this case, donald trump's lawyers argued nobody lost anything, that the banks in question were fine with it. they made enough money off of it. obviously tish james and her team were arguing, no, actually the taxpayers here in new york lost a lot of money.

would that be a wrinkle for the judges? >> it certainly was a concern for the judges about, you know, one was, are you stretching this beyond where the law is supposed to go in terms of the type of transactions but also there is no victim here. that was a particular focus for one of the judges, and the response from the attorney general's office was as you just noted, one, first of all, the people of new york were hurt, not because they lost money per se from their tax coffers, but because the unfairness of commercial markets, the ability to borrow and banks to lend is hurt when somebody is a bad actor in that market, but they also said, even deutsche bank, for example, was hurt. they may not be complaining loudly now, but they never would have lent to him if they understood the totality of his financial statements. >> the means don't justify the ends. we've got president zelenskyy at the white house in the oval office with president biden. they're having a bilateral meeting. let's just take a look.

there i am. let's just take a look at the two men for the brief moment that reporters got to join them. >> mr. president, welcome back to the white house. welcome back to the oval office. we got to see each other yesterday, and you shared a preview of your plan to win this war. that's exactly what we're going to discuss today, how ukraine is going to prevail in this conflict, and i see two key pieces. first, right now, we have to strengthen ukraine's position on the battlefield, and that's why today i'm proud to announce a new $2.4 billion package of security assistance. i've also directed the pent gob to allocate all of the remaining security systems funding that has been appropriated to ukraine period, by the end of my term, which is january 20. and this will strengthen ukraine's position in future negotiations. second, we look ahead to help

ukraine succeed in the long term. as you know better than anyone, we said at the washington summit, we have to support ukraine and the path to member of eu and nato, and continue to make reforms to counter corruption and strengthen democracy, which you're working on right now. we have to ensure ukraine has sufficient capabilities. i mean, sufficient capabilities to defend against future russian aggression, so i'm proud the steps we have taken and our partnership on these fronts. earlier this summer, we launched the ukraine compact, with more than 20 nations committed to ukraine's long-term security, and yesterday, with over 30 nations and the eu, we launched a joint declaration of support, ukraine's recovery and reconstruction. some of it using russian assets as well. and so with both of these actions, we make it clear, we stand with ukraine, now and in the future. we've got a lot to discuss, so let me close with this, these

two elements are critical to how this war ends, and to be clear, russia will not prevail in war. russia will not prevail. ukraine will prevail, and we'll continue to stand by you every step of the way. thank you for being here, and the floor is yours. >> thank you so much, mr. president. mr. president, thank you for your strong support for the decision. ukraine is our home. we deeply appreciate that ukraine and america have stood side by side from the very first bullets of this terrible russian nation. your determination is incredibly important for us to prevail. yesterday we have g7 meeting on ukraine with more than 30 countries participating. we must restore normal life, and

we greatly value your leadership, mr. president. we also have 26 bilateral security agreements with partners based on the g7 security declaration. we have a strong security agreement, and we are grateful for it, and we will fully implement it. and it's very important that we share the same vision for ukraine's security future in the eu and nato, and ukraine is doing unprecedented number of reforms on this path. today we have a new support package. $7.9 million. this will be a great help, and raised with president biden's plan of victory. we are prepared to discard the materials to strengthen the plan. for which our teams will work together to ensure that implementation of our future steps. and today this morning i've met

with both the senate and the house, and thank you for that unwavering bipartisan support and to all american people. together we have to win. we will win. thank you. >> thank you. >> that's president zelenskyy, president biden in the oval office for their bilateral meeting. after this, president zelenskyy will be meeting with vp kamala harris. they'll be addressing the press. that starts at 3:15. so in just about 45 minutes, if everything remains on time. let's bring in nbc news white house correspondent, ali vitali. what did you make of what we were able to get inside that beginning of that meeting? >> this is the 11th time that these two presidents have met in person. this meeting that they're having right now in the oval office is likely the last time that they will meet in that space during the biden administration, and you heard them lay out their

objectives for the meeting with the president saying he's going to talk about how ukraine can prevail. he's proud of the support that the u.s. has announced for ukraine up until this point. you heard zelenskyy thanking the president for that support. the two of them, though, not taking any questions from reporters, despite some valiant efforts in that room, and zelenskyy is here with two main objectives. he's here to, as you heard him mention. present this victory plan to president biden, and also to persuade the president to loosen restrictions on u.s. weapons that ukraine is using in russia, allow them to strike deeper into russia. the president touting the new announcement today of more aid to ukraine in the form of more money for its military, more training for ukrainian pilots. all of this is in an effort to solidify support he has pledged so far, and make sure that continues. another part of the effort is the meeting we know will take place right after this oval office meeting with vice president harris.

the two of them meeting for today will be the seventh time. >> ali vitali, thank you very much. and still to come, more on the hurricane watch in florida. these are live pictures right now of key west. not really much to see as you can see the winds and the storm surge are beating down that island. helene has intensified to a major category 3 storm. >> every minute that goes by brings us closer to having conditions that are going to be simply too dangerous to navigate. angerous to navigate liverer of dance. ok, dave! let's be more than our allergies. zeize the day with zyrtec. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7.

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we have breaking news, hurricane helene is officially a category 3 storm. at 4:00 p.m. today, three fire stations in what has been deemed evacuation zone a will shut down, which means anyone choosing to stay there in hillsboro county, florida, will be doing so at their own risk. there is already major flooding. water has taken over treasure island, florida. look at this video shot by local officials, and here's what nbc news projects could happen if the storm surge gets bad enough. in this simulation, 6 feet of water blows out the doors, floods the first floor, and gets about halfway up the stairs, and floods the street quite significantly. again, that's 6 feet of surge in our simulation. helene's storm surge, forecasters say, could reach

20 feet. while nearly all of florida's 67 counties are under watches or warnings, several have issued mandatory evacuation orders, that includes franklin county on the panhandle where the sheriff has spent the last 48 hours urgently telling people to get out. >> if you're on the fence about evacuating, please do. before you know it, you won't be able to leave. >> the county is offering free rides all day to emergency shelters. franklin county sheriff a.j. smith joins me now. thank you very much for joining us. what is the major hurdle right now for you in getting people out? >> well, it's -- any longer and it will be too late to leave. we actually had some really heavy rain a few hours ago, the rain has kind of stopped for a moment. the tide has gone out. i'm sitting under the bridge in appalachia, florida, the water

has gone down a little bit. the storm is several hundred miles offshore, it hasn't arrived yet. it's going to get worse before it gets better. if you haven't left, you probably need to hunker down in your homes and stay off the road. that's what we're encouraging people now. don't get on the highways. there's standing water on the roads. there are some roads that are flooded, and i've seen a vehicle already this morning that flooded out, not far from where i am. like, why are these people here? if you're not public safety or something like that, you don't need to be out on the roads. you need to be home, and ha way, protecting yourself also protects the first responders. >> there could be 20 feet of storm surge in some areas. some people don't live in two-story homes and don't have a second floor to get to. what do you say to the folks who are still there, deciding to wait it out. how do they get to a safer place now? >> well, i hope that the people -- well, first off, just about everybody in franklin county lives fairly close to the

water. so i hope the ones that are on the water have evacuated. we have, i think, a really large number of people have evacuated. of course we're a vacation community. all the vacationers here in rental properties have left. so hopefully we won't have to -- we don't have anybody left, and, you know, the storm did track a little more east last night, so hopefully we're not going to see the 20 foot surge here like they had predicted, which would be a good thing. now, you know, we're just kind of waiting to see how much rain is going to come, what the tide is going to do, and the storm, is it going to be a cat 3, a cat 4, and exactly where it's going to go in. >> and where will you be waiting this out? >> i will be waiting right here . all the deputies are on day shift or night shift, alpha

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and, in fact, under my plan, taxes for 100 million americans will actually be cut, including $6,000 a year for young couples, for the first year of their child's life in a tax credit, essentially, by expansion of the child tax credit. >> the vice president also addressed what steph described as the reality of tariffs. tariffs aren't unique to president trump. president biden has tariffs in place. he's actually looking to potentially implement more. where do you come out on is there a good tariff, a bad tariff? >> well, part of it is you don't just throw around the idea of just tariffs across the board, and that's part of the problem with donald trump. frankly, and i say this in all sincerity, he's not very serious about how he thinks about some of these issues. and one must be serious and have a plan and a real plan that's not just about some talking

point, ending in an exclamation at a political rally, but actually putting the thought into what will be the return on the investment, what will be the economic impact on every day people. and when you look at my plans, you will see what those benefits will be. $25,000 down payment assistance for first time home buyers. you know what that means? then you're creating the ability of that working person to build intergenerational wealth. >> joining us now, symone sanders-townsend, the cohost of msnbc's the weekend, and former chief spokesperson for vice president harris, along with doug hie, a republican strategist and communications director for the republican national committee formerly. so a lot of the same policies we have heard from her before, the child tax credit, housing, et cetera, but she did flush them out a little more, and i thought that her defense of tariffs, though not specific, was interesting. i like that stephanie asked that question, what did you get out of it? >> well, look, i think that dove

tailing off of the speech that we saw on the economy from the vice president today, what really struck me about it was that it was accessible. you know, you didn't have to be an economist to understand what it is that she was saying, and i thought that that was very important. because there were a lot of people, not just the media apparatus, but like real people who say i want to know what her plan is. now, i know there are people out there who will say, well, donald trump doesn't seem to have a coherently flushed out plan. i understand that. it's given double standard, and we'll just address that's what it is, and keep it moving. when it comes to the piece about the tariffs, it is, you know, it's been 30 years since a sitting vice president has run for president, and that matters because in the last, to be very clear, the last vice president that ran for president while they were vice president was al gore. could you just imagine if al gore was sitting down, vice president al gone was sitting down for a substantiative interview on what he would do for his economic policy as

president, and then went into detail about why he maybe disagreed or agreed with what -- well, disagreed with what president clinton was doing, if he, in fact, did disagree. it wouldn't go over well, i don't think, at the lunch. there is an interesting tight rope that she has to walk because she's still the sitting vice president of the united states to a president that is not yet done. >> do you agree with that, doug? there are a lot of folks arguing out there that she should cut him loose, that her electoral future matters more than what it's like sitting over lunch the next day? >> look, it's a very difficult place of where harris finds herself in the election. i got to say i'm very angry at symone for putting al gore and the word lock box in my head. it's not getting out of there anytime soon. when i look at polling, i see that 25% of voters say we need to hear more about kamala harris, not just who she is, but

what she wants to do, and that's where the term specifics really comes into play here. i watched one of her answers, and she used the word holistic three or four times. when you're using holistic or holistically over and over again, you're not getting to the substance and the specificity that voters say they want to hear from kamala harris. i think that's true, whether you're talking about the economy or what substantively does kamala harris want to do. not tweets or speeches aside, what does kamala harris want to do with ukraine that's different than donald trump, i don't know the answer to that. >> i'm not going to be able to get out of my head, the question of what the bushism was there. gore was lock box, what was bush again, doug? >> gore was sign in the other debate, but strategery is what we remember. >> strategery. >> we know the biggest difference between vice president harris and former president trump on ukraine is that a president harris would

defend, give everything ukraine needed to defend themselves against russia's aggression, and a president trump would literally give away pieces of ukraine to -- attempt to give away pieces of ukraine to vladimir putin, and so i hear -- i think that doug and others, i hear what people are saying when they're like, hmm, but the specifics on this and the specifics on that, but i don't think the voters are looking for the 20-point page policy paper. i do think they want to know, do you have a clear idea of where you would like to take this country, do you have specifics about that plan, and people could debate if they like the specifics or not. to suggest that at this point, vice president harris hasn't been specific about what she's going to do on the economy, i don't know how we could say that at this point. but maybe we like the word holistic, but the lady has been quite specific. >> doug, quickly. >> ultimately in politics, you got to sell it. she has to do more of these and do it to diverse audiences. she needs to go on fox news and

talk to the voters she needs to reach if she wants to win north carolina, arizona, and states like that. she's got to sell it. >> get out there. keep talking, doug hie, and symone sanders-townsend, thank you very much. on "katy tur reports," we're watching the white house, where any minute now, vice president kamala harris will meet with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy. zelenskyy. are now being analyzed and restored using the power of dell ai. ♪ i got my (bleep) together. i got my (bleep) together. the whole class knows i got my (bleep) together. just say it! you can get your shots together too, your covid-19 shot and your flu shot, at the same visit, as recommended by the cdc. i got my shots together, dude! ask your healthcare provider about getting this season's covid-19 shot when getting your flu shot, if you're due for both. ♪♪ are you getting your (bleep) together?

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